A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Milltown Row2]

Read your own words back, Franko

You are a current SF supporter and in your own words, the words you previously classed as disgraceful but now admit are correct, being a current SF supporter involves being into dead children

You say this with the full knowledge of what it involves

You're actually boasting about it

Ok, but did you at some point in the past support these deaths of children?

No

But I was willing to partially overlook it against my better judgment

Because I was willing to believe what I later came to realise was essentially propaganda - that the movement as a whole was essentially fighting for freedom

It wasn't

Others here now openly embrace that propaganda

So you only liked some of the murders not all, gotcha

[sid waddell]

Read your own words back, Franko

You are a current SF supporter and in your own words, the words you previously classed as disgraceful but now admit are correct, being a current SF supporter involves being into dead children

You say this with the full knowledge of what it involves

You're actually boasting about it

Ok, but did you at some point in the past support these deaths of children?

No

But I was willing to partially overlook it against my better judgment

Because I was willing to believe what I later came to realise was essentially propaganda - that the movement as a whole was essentially fighting for freedom

It wasn't

Others here now openly embrace that propaganda

So you only liked some of the murders not all, gotcha

What's your own view on the PIRA?

[Franko]

Read your own words back, Franko

You are a current SF supporter and in your own words, the words you previously classed as disgraceful but now admit are correct, being a current SF supporter involves being into dead children

You say this with the full knowledge of what it involves

You're actually boasting about it

Ok, but did you at some point in the past support these deaths of children?

No

But I was willing to partially overlook it against my better judgment

Because I was willing to believe what I later came to realise was essentially propaganda - that the movement as a whole was essentially fighting for freedom

It wasn't

Others here now openly embrace that propaganda

Nope, no good.

You were very clear in your earlier posts what support for the PIRA meant according to you

So this dross is not gonna cut it here unfortunately

Like I said - it's a logical certainty.  And don't take my word for it - it's of your own construction

So don't desert your beliefs at this point, when the tough questions are being asked

It's a simple question with a simple answer

1 or 2

[sid waddell]

But Franko, it isn't - and you know this full well, which is why you decide to go in for crude reductionism in an effort to protect yourself

And then you trap yourself

Read back - your own words damn you

Because you specifically say that being a SF/PIRA supporter necessitates being into dead children

And yet you openly are one now

In the full knowledge of that

How do you square that?

They answer is - you can't

It looks really bad for you

[Milltown Row2]

Read your own words back, Franko

You are a current SF supporter and in your own words, the words you previously classed as disgraceful but now admit are correct, being a current SF supporter involves being into dead children

You say this with the full knowledge of what it involves

You're actually boasting about it

Ok, but did you at some point in the past support these deaths of children?

No

But I was willing to partially overlook it against my better judgment

Because I was willing to believe what I later came to realise was essentially propaganda - that the movement as a whole was essentially fighting for freedom

It wasn't

Others here now openly embrace that propaganda

So you only liked some of the murders not all, gotcha

What's your own view on the PIRA?

I've never been involved nor voted extremes. I'm very much a nationalist wanting a UI but would not support a campaign that will cause death, like you did.

I completely understand how it happened and seen first hand during the troubles atrocities and discrimination, I was lucky enough to come through it unscathed.

[sid waddell]

Read your own words back, Franko

You are a current SF supporter and in your own words, the words you previously classed as disgraceful but now admit are correct, being a current SF supporter involves being into dead children

You say this with the full knowledge of what it involves

You're actually boasting about it

Ok, but did you at some point in the past support these deaths of children?

No

But I was willing to partially overlook it against my better judgment

Because I was willing to believe what I later came to realise was essentially propaganda - that the movement as a whole was essentially fighting for freedom

It wasn't

Others here now openly embrace that propaganda

So you only liked some of the murders not all, gotcha

What's your own view on the PIRA?

I've never been involved nor voted extremes. I'm very much a nationalist wanting a UI but would not support a campaign that will cause death, like you did.

I completely understand how it happened and seen first hand during the troubles atrocities and discrimination, I was lucky enough to come through it unscathed.

Well, many posters on this thread do support it and justify it to this day

Angelo, Franko, Snapchap, Itchy, Armagh18 etc.

[Milltown Row2]

Read your own words back, Franko

You are a current SF supporter and in your own words, the words you previously classed as disgraceful but now admit are correct, being a current SF supporter involves being into dead children

You say this with the full knowledge of what it involves

You're actually boasting about it

Ok, but did you at some point in the past support these deaths of children?

No

But I was willing to partially overlook it against my better judgment

Because I was willing to believe what I later came to realise was essentially propaganda - that the movement as a whole was essentially fighting for freedom

It wasn't

Others here now openly embrace that propaganda

So you only liked some of the murders not all, gotcha

What's your own view on the PIRA?

I've never been involved nor voted extremes. I'm very much a nationalist wanting a UI but would not support a campaign that will cause death, like you did.

I completely understand how it happened and seen first hand during the troubles atrocities and discrimination, I was lucky enough to come through it unscathed.

Well, many posters on this thread do support it and justify it to this day

Angelo, Franko, Snapchap, Itchy, Armagh18 etc.

But so did you, championing deaths with posts of support. I'll accept you've changed your view but you have accept that at that time you supported these murders.

[Franko]

But Franko, it isn't - and you know this full well, which is why you decide to go in for crude reductionism in an effort to protect yourself

And then you trap yourself

Read back - your own words damn you

Because you specifically say that being a SF/PIRA supporter necessitates being into dead children

And yet you openly are one now

In the full knowledge of that

How do you square that?

They answer is - you can't

It looks really bad for you

Nope, wrong again.  This has been a bad day for you.

My words are only to question you, using a phrase which YOU coined and have repeated many times

So, again - 1 or 2?

Which is it?

[Franko]

When and why did you start being "into dead children"?

You and Snapchap were complaining bitterly about this line

And now you're using it yourself unironically

Shoudn't that be a self-banning offence?

Because previously you said this line was offside, and now you're using it yourslef

Maybe Snapchap should clarify if he sees you as sub human too

The hypocrisy of the Shinners never ceases to amaze

Your 'dead children' line was an absolute disgrace, but I have never called for anyone to banned.  I genuinely don't care enough to be bothered.  But it was YOUR line and one which you have doubled down on many times, so now you'll have to own it.

Referring to it earlier, I was merely pointing it back at you after the embarrassing unmasking which you were subjected to this morning - but it was still YOUR line.

So - a little quiz for you...

One of the following MUST be true, it's a logical certainty - and I'd like you to tell me which one.

1. General support the IRA's armed campaign does not cause a person to be 'into dead children' - and you have been talking bullshit repeatedly when referring to it

2. You, for a period of your life, were 'into dead children'


I appreciate this will be difficult for you to answer, but if it's any consolation, your 'reputation' is already in tatters, so you may as well go for it.

Well sid.

You've been uncharacteristically quiet today.

Did you ever manage to get a look at this one?

If you can't answer, just let me know and I'll stop asking.

Good lad

[Armagh18]

Read your own words back, Franko

You are a current SF supporter and in your own words, the words you previously classed as disgraceful but now admit are correct, being a current SF supporter involves being into dead children

You say this with the full knowledge of what it involves

You're actually boasting about it

Ok, but did you at some point in the past support these deaths of children?

No

But I was willing to partially overlook it against my better judgment

Because I was willing to believe what I later came to realise was essentially propaganda - that the movement as a whole was essentially fighting for freedom

It wasn't

Others here now openly embrace that propaganda

So you only liked some of the murders not all, gotcha

What's your own view on the PIRA?

I've never been involved nor voted extremes. I'm very much a nationalist wanting a UI but would not support a campaign that will cause death, like you did.

I completely understand how it happened and seen first hand during the troubles atrocities and discrimination, I was lucky enough to come through it unscathed.

Well, many posters on this thread do support it and justify it to this day

Angelo, Franko, Snapchap, Itchy, Armagh18 etc.

Fair enough Sid you decided you don't support the Provo's anymore- your choice and you obviously have your reasons. But by your own admission you did support them, until for whatever reason you've had a huge change of heart.

Can you answer me 2 things.

One- why the drastic change in opinion?
Two- how can you sit and dish out abuse to people who still support the provo's when you held the same or similar views for years?

[JimStynes]

Up them
#teamangelo

[Rossfan]

Maybe Sid is banned again

[sid waddell]

Again, Franko, you are the person that needs to answer questions

You've now admitted - after previously denying it - that to support the PIRA now necessitates being into dead children

And you admit that you are a supporter of them

All the time you spent complaining about the dead children comment was thus a fraud on your part

It was virtue signalling nonsense

When did you realise that you were virtue signalling and decide to full on embrace the role of glorifier of killing children?

[trueblue1234]

Again, Franko, you are the person that needs to answer questions

You've now admitted - after previously denying it - that to support the PIRA now necessitates being into dead children

And you admit that you are a supporter of them

All the time you spent complaining about the dead children comment was thus a fraud on your part

It was virtue signalling nonsense

When did you realise that you were virtue signalling and decide to full on embrace the role of glorifier of killing children?

He hasn't said that. He's using what you claimed as a reference. And you've been unable to answer. Don't get me wrong it's been highly entertaining to watch you grasp at more and more straws. Keep up the good work.

[sid waddell]

Again, Franko, you are the person that needs to answer questions

You've now admitted - after previously denying it - that to support the PIRA now necessitates being into dead children

And you admit that you are a supporter of them

All the time you spent complaining about the dead children comment was thus a fraud on your part

It was virtue signalling nonsense

When did you realise that you were virtue signalling and decide to full on embrace the role of glorifier of killing children?

He hasn't said that. He's using what you claimed as a reference. And you've been unable to answer. Don't get me wrong it's been highly entertaining to watch you grasp at more and more straws. Keep up the good work.

He did indeed say it

After whinging for weeks about it

And outed himself as a total hypocrite in the process

As are all Shinners here, who disassociate themselves from dissos yet associate themselves with people who did the exact same thing as dissos

A circle they've never been able to square