A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Angelo]

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And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.

You're the one displaying arrogance, intolerance and ignorance here so no need to project your shortcomings on me.

It's not a case of the north being taken in by the south. It's case of two rotten states coming to an end and a new state forming - it's your arrogance and entitlement that does not allow you see this. It's why you are against reunification, you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.

In a new Ireland - that does not happen and I look forward to that day.

point out to me where I said that?

Well you're disputing the point?

Reunification means partition of the island comes to an end, two failed states come to an end and a new state is formed. It is not a case of the north being taken in by the south.

[clonadmad]

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And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.

You're the one displaying arrogance, intolerance and ignorance here so no need to project your shortcomings on me.

It's not a case of the north being taken in by the south. It's case of two rotten states coming to an end and a new state forming - it's your arrogance and entitlement that does not allow you see this. It's why you are against reunification, you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.

In a new Ireland - that does not happen and I look forward to that day.

point out to me where I said that?

Well you're disputing the point?

Reunification means partition of the island comes to an end, two failed states come to an end and a new state is formed. It is not a case of the north being taken in by the south.

Point out to me where i said it

[Angelo]

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And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.

You're the one displaying arrogance, intolerance and ignorance here so no need to project your shortcomings on me.

It's not a case of the north being taken in by the south. It's case of two rotten states coming to an end and a new state forming - it's your arrogance and entitlement that does not allow you see this. It's why you are against reunification, you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.

In a new Ireland - that does not happen and I look forward to that day.

point out to me where I said that?

Well you're disputing the point?

Reunification means partition of the island comes to an end, two failed states come to an end and a new state is formed. It is not a case of the north being taken in by the south.

Point out to me where i said it

I just pointed out that you disputed the core point in my post. Do you normally go around disagreeing with things you agree with?

[Rossfan]

The IGNORE function Clonad

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

I agree to a certain extent, DUP and/or UUP would probably cosy up with FG. Imagine the monster that would create!

Would they though?

I think there would be much resentment there, both have their patches to lose by reunification. Partition suits the establishment parties of the Free State and unionism in the O6. They rule the roost, reunification changes the landscape completely.

If you look at the last assembly elections and the last general election down south. If you combine first pref votes, you are left the following landscape.

SF 25.4%
FF 16.2%
FG 15.2%
DUP 7.5%
Greens 5.8%
UUP 3.5%
SDLP 3.2%
Labour 3.1%
Alliance 2.4%
PBP - 2.3%
SD - 2.1%

What would happen then is you would see smaller parties then be subsumed by some of the bigger ones. Unionist would definitely merge into one mainstream party. I could see the SDLP merging with FF and the likes of the Alliance going in with Labour etc

I think in that situation I see it as inevitable FF/SDLP will pivot one way in the long run and be subsumed either by SF or FG. I would say most likely SF once the state becomes more and more embedded.

Some mad theories there sur

[five points]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

Depends if you root the rottenness out.

It will certainly change the political landscape.

Who's going to root out anything? People are still going to vote for the same rubbish politicians that they have always voted for.

[Angelo]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

Depends if you root the rottenness out.

It will certainly change the political landscape.

Who's going to root out anything? People are still going to vote for the same rubbish politicians that they have always voted for.

It changes the landscape. Time would tell anyway. Unionism have ruled the roost in the O6 for a century.

FF/FG down south for a history, reunification changes that.

[Angelo]

The IGNORE function Clonad

Ah yes, the lad who has to ignore me because he is scared witless about having me expose his small minded, humourless nonsense.

Yet oddly enough the can't stop reading my posts.

I'm wondering which is more pathetic, your fear of me or your completely inability to exercise restraint that you need to use an ignore function. Got fed up of reporting my posts yet, sweetcheeks?

[clonadmad]

For those who seem to believe that the Republic is a failed state and is any way comparable to what they have in NI

A few simple facts

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI


I could go on and on with examples as regards the disparity in wages, educational attainment, quality of life, life expectancy, even social welfare benefits which seems to a preoccupation of some from NI and the likes of gay rights and abortion rights but I wont.

I'm sure the sainted northern NHS will be thrown at me as an example of where NI is better the Republic, but when you look at the thousands on waiting lists up there, it kinda dilutes that claim too.

The reality is that the Republic is a free open and tolerant European country, hardly the failed state that some Northerners on here make it out to be, possibly to make themselves feel better.

[clonadmad]

The IGNORE function Clonad

Hes one mixed up Puppy in fairness Ross

more to be pitied than anything else, thank f**k he represents no one only himself

[johnnycool]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

Depends if you root the rottenness out.

It will certainly change the political landscape.

Who's going to root out anything? People are still going to vote for the same rubbish politicians that they have always voted for.

It changes the landscape. Time would tell anyway. Unionism have ruled the roost in the O6 for a century.

FF/FG down south for a history, reunification changes that.

It does Angelo but at the same time you need to understand that the thought of SF calling the shots in a UI Government will scare the bejaysus out of the middle ground needed in the wee 6 to actually achieve a UI.

I know the Shinners want a socialist 32 County republic, but I'd take a 32 county republic for the hear and now and work on the socialist aspect at a later date and to that end I think a 32 county Ireland has more chance of happening with the likes of a Coveney at the helm of a coalition government than Mary Lou or even Pierce Doherty at the helm.

Shinners should seriously think about stepping aside to allow a united Ireland to actually happen.

[Franko]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

Depends if you root the rottenness out.

It will certainly change the political landscape.

Who's going to root out anything? People are still going to vote for the same rubbish politicians that they have always voted for.

It changes the landscape. Time would tell anyway. Unionism have ruled the roost in the O6 for a century.

FF/FG down south for a history, reunification changes that.

It does Angelo but at the same time you need to understand that the thought of SF calling the shots in a UI Government will scare the bejaysus out of the middle ground needed in the wee 6 to actually achieve a UI.

I know the Shinners want a socialist 32 County republic, but I'd take a 32 county republic for the hear and now and work on the socialist aspect at a later date and to that end I think a 32 county Ireland has more chance of happening with the likes of a Coveney at the helm of a coalition government than Mary Lou or even Pierce Doherty at the helm.

Shinners should seriously think about stepping aside to allow a united Ireland to actually happen.

+1

There is another issue with that though, in that if SF step aside, there are no other parties making a serious push for it

I am not convinced that either of the main parties in the 26 are serious about it as a concept

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

For those who seem to believe that the Republic is a failed state and is any way comparable to what they have in NI

A few simple facts

NI currently has a population 36% of the Republics

1.1920 2 counties Down and Antrim had 80% of the total economic output of the Island, today the total NI economic output is 8% of this islands output.

If NI was in any fit state economically, it would be contributing a third or more.

2.The Size of the Republics economy is €400bn odd, the size of NI's is £40bn odd

NI's economy should be treble what it is, £120bn odd

3.Exports

ROI total exports €160bn odd,2020 up 8% on 2019

NI total exports £7bn odd

the reality is that the increase in the Republic exports between 2019 and 2020 is greater than NI total exports tells its own story.

4.Cross Border Exports by value

34% NI exports to the Republic

1% ROI exports to NI


I could go on and on with examples as regards the disparity in wages, educational attainment, quality of life, life expectancy, even social welfare benefits which seems to a preoccupation of some from NI and the likes of gay rights and abortion rights but I wont.

I'm sure the sainted northern NHS will be thrown at me as an example of where NI is better the Republic, but when you look at the thousands on waiting lists up there, it kinda dilutes that claim too.

The reality is that the Republic is a free open and tolerant European country, hardly the failed state that some Northerners on here make it out to be, possibly to make themselves feel better.

100%
I worked all over the republic in 2000's, totally blown away by economic growth, and yes Dublin still gets most investment but the amount of work outside Dublin also(medical device etc) is very impressive.

[Angelo]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

Depends if you root the rottenness out.

It will certainly change the political landscape.

Who's going to root out anything? People are still going to vote for the same rubbish politicians that they have always voted for.

It changes the landscape. Time would tell anyway. Unionism have ruled the roost in the O6 for a century.

FF/FG down south for a history, reunification changes that.

It does Angelo but at the same time you need to understand that the thought of SF calling the shots in a UI Government will scare the bejaysus out of the middle ground needed in the wee 6 to actually achieve a UI.

I know the Shinners want a socialist 32 County republic, but I'd take a 32 county republic for the hear and now and work on the socialist aspect at a later date and to that end I think a 32 county Ireland has more chance of happening with the likes of a Coveney at the helm of a coalition government than Mary Lou or even Pierce Doherty at the helm.

Shinners should seriously think about stepping aside to allow a united Ireland to actually happen.

+1

There is another issue with that though, in that if SF step aside, there are no other parties making a serious push for it

I am not convinced that either of the main parties in the 26 are serious about it as a concept

The reality of reunification is SF will be the kingmakers, they are by far and away the largest party on this island presently and there's no getting away from that reality.

Neither FF or FG want this, although I do think FF are much more divided on this internally but Martin is definitely a partitionist and closely aligned with the element of the party tainted in corruption and vested interests.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

Depends if you root the rottenness out.

It will certainly change the political landscape.

Who's going to root out anything? People are still going to vote for the same rubbish politicians that they have always voted for.

It changes the landscape. Time would tell anyway. Unionism have ruled the roost in the O6 for a century.

FF/FG down south for a history, reunification changes that.

It does Angelo but at the same time you need to understand that the thought of SF calling the shots in a UI Government will scare the bejaysus out of the middle ground needed in the wee 6 to actually achieve a UI.

I know the Shinners want a socialist 32 County republic, but I'd take a 32 county republic for the hear and now and work on the socialist aspect at a later date and to that end I think a 32 county Ireland has more chance of happening with the likes of a Coveney at the helm of a coalition government than Mary Lou or even Pierce Doherty at the helm.

Shinners should seriously think about stepping aside to allow a united Ireland to actually happen.

+1

There is another issue with that though, in that if SF step aside, there are no other parties making a serious push for it

I am not convinced that either of the main parties in the 26 are serious about it as a concept

The reality of reunification is SF will be the kingmakers, they are by far and away the largest party on this island presently and there's no getting away from that reality.

Neither FF or FG want this, although I do think FF are much more divided on this internally but Martin is definitely a partitionist and closely aligned with the element of the party tainted in corruption and vested interests.

If we get a UI SF will lose its steam, history has taught us that. They will be just another party with no USP and a fairly low calibre of politician.