A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

[Snapchap]

Seamus Mallon also was of the view that 50%+1 should not be enough to secure reunification - a view which went against the terms laid out in the very agreement that he himself helped negotiate. In fact, he went further and argued for what he called "parallel consent" whereby not just a majority of the population as s unit would have to support reunification, but rather a majority within the two communities should. In other words, Seamus wanted to make Irish reunification fundamentally impossible to achieve.

Colum doesn't mention that bit.

[Fear Bun Na Sceilpe]

Ignore him lad, he has a shinner agenda cloaked in moaning, begruderey and disinguinity. Facts are facts , Irish republic has come on leaps and bounds while we regress year on year under DUP/SF rule

So people with an agenda with regards to SF should be ignored? Who'll ever talk to you if that's the case?

If it leaves someone so blinded they ignore hard real facts yes- sheep people

[Angelo]

Ignore him lad, he has a shinner agenda cloaked in moaning, begruderey and disinguinity. Facts are facts , Irish republic has come on leaps and bounds while we regress year on year under DUP/SF rule

So people with an agenda with regards to SF should be ignored? Who'll ever talk to you if that's the case?

If it leaves someone so blinded they ignore hard real facts yes- sheep people

You just summed yourself up there.

[clonadmad]

🚨POLL🚨

@LucidTalk (Northern Ireland)

Support for a United Ireland:

No: 53%
Yes: 47%

(Excludes DK's at 11%)

Sample - 2,392
January 15-18th, 2021



Its getting closer...

Anybody hazzard a guess when a border poll will take place?

10, 20 or 30 years?

We'll need another year or two to see the outworkings or Brexit.

As an aside, I wonder will there be a census this year - are they not usually every 10 years.  If so, the results of that will be interesting.

Although in fairness, there'll be a lot of lads on here ticking the...mmmm...northern irish box.

It has no chance when you have parties like FFG who were willing to turn a blind eye to British state atrocities on this island as long as they could cling to their power and an elite ruling class in their state.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

Lol, how can you call  Republic a failed state, might be many things but that's not one

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Good to see we have one strong unionist who will vote No to a United Ireland

I will be voting yes to reunification.

Reunification frightens you and your rotten state.

But why would you want to be part of a "rotten state"?

[Angelo]

🚨POLL🚨

@LucidTalk (Northern Ireland)

Support for a United Ireland:

No: 53%
Yes: 47%

(Excludes DK's at 11%)

Sample - 2,392
January 15-18th, 2021



Its getting closer...

Anybody hazzard a guess when a border poll will take place?

10, 20 or 30 years?

We'll need another year or two to see the outworkings or Brexit.

As an aside, I wonder will there be a census this year - are they not usually every 10 years.  If so, the results of that will be interesting.

Although in fairness, there'll be a lot of lads on here ticking the...mmmm...northern irish box.

It has no chance when you have parties like FFG who were willing to turn a blind eye to British state atrocities on this island as long as they could cling to their power and an elite ruling class in their state.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

Lol, how can you call  Republic a failed state, might be many things but that's not one

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Good to see we have one strong unionist who will vote No to a United Ireland

I will be voting yes to reunification.

Reunification frightens you and your rotten state.

But why would you want to be part of a "rotten state"?

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.


Now maybe you're just a free state troll or maybe you're just not intelligent, maybe it's just the ego of free staters to think it's you're state and we're only going to be tenants - but that's not what reunification is about and that is why I assume a narrow minded person like you oppose it.

[five points]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

[general_lee]

Have the SDLP, SF or any other pro-unity party set out a detailed plan of how unification would take place? The SNP were able to produce a 600 page document detailing how Scottish independence would be implemented in the event of a YES vote. I know SF produced a 26 page discussion document last year around economic benefits but something a bit more substantial is needed.

The two nationalist parties along with even Alliance surely have to start getting serious about including Irish unity as the primary issue in their manifestos going forward. Time to stop talking about it on Facebook and Twitter and actually get serious about where this country will be in 10 years time.

Mounting pressure from the Scottish for Indyref 2 is casting a shadow over the existence of uk as it stands. Covid is providing a distraction to a certain extent to the impact of Brexit so the polls might change once non-essential retail opens up again and people start to realise the impact it's having on certain goods - saw an article saying you can't bring plants from Britain to NI - garden centre unionists will be livid!

[Angelo]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

Depends if you root the rottenness out.

It will certainly change the political landscape.

[general_lee]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

I agree to a certain extent, DUP and/or UUP would probably cosy up with FG. Imagine the monster that would create!

[Rossfan]

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/emma-de-souza-my-generation-deserves-to-have-its-say-on-irish-unity-now-1.4466567?mode=amp

[johnnycool]

Seamus Mallon also was of the view that 50%+1 should not be enough to secure reunification - a view which went against the terms laid out in the very agreement that he himself helped negotiate. In fact, he went further and argued for what he called "parallel consent" whereby not just a majority of the population as s unit would have to support reunification, but rather a majority within the two communities should. In other words, Seamus wanted to make Irish reunification fundamentally impossible to achieve.

Colum doesn't mention that bit.

Because Seamus was talking shite.

[clonadmad]

🚨POLL🚨

@LucidTalk (Northern Ireland)

Support for a United Ireland:

No: 53%
Yes: 47%

(Excludes DK's at 11%)

Sample - 2,392
January 15-18th, 2021



Its getting closer...

Anybody hazzard a guess when a border poll will take place?

10, 20 or 30 years?

We'll need another year or two to see the outworkings or Brexit.

As an aside, I wonder will there be a census this year - are they not usually every 10 years.  If so, the results of that will be interesting.

Although in fairness, there'll be a lot of lads on here ticking the...mmmm...northern irish box.

It has no chance when you have parties like FFG who were willing to turn a blind eye to British state atrocities on this island as long as they could cling to their power and an elite ruling class in their state.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

Lol, how can you call  Republic a failed state, might be many things but that's not one

Homelessness and poverty
Disgraceful two-tier health service which has 6-700 on hospital trolleys every year with extortionate health insurance required
Inherent and widespread political corruption from FFG since the inception of the state
Institutionalised child abuse in state facilities that was ignored and hidden for decades
Massive national debt burdended on them by the govt to save the wealth of private investors
A culture of selling off state resources and services to the private sector for a song and a brown envelope
A state run by shadowy figures like Denis O'Brien and Larry Goodman
The current leaders of the two establishment parties - MM - took a bung from a property developer and LV has been up lately for interfering in the process to judicial appointments to appoint a crony and then leaks confidential documents to his mate.

Good to see we have one strong unionist who will vote No to a United Ireland

I will be voting yes to reunification.

Reunification frightens you and your rotten state.

But why would you want to be part of a "rotten state"?

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.


Now maybe you're just a free state troll or maybe you're just not intelligent, maybe it's just the ego of free staters to think it's you're state and we're only going to be tenants - but that's not what reunification is about and that is why I assume a narrow minded person like you oppose it.

And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.


Edit by Mod5:  Personal insult deleted, user banned for 2 days.

[Angelo]

Clearly you dropped out of school very early and can't read, my earlier post that you replied to covered that. I don't want to be part of your rotten state. Reunification is about the end of two rotten states and the formation of a new state. It's frustrating having to deal with people like you and having to repeat myself because you are a little bit dim but here it goes. My earlier post, that you quoted and replied to, the important bits in bold.

The problem with a lot of partitionists down south is that they think it's a case of the north joining their state, it will be nothing of the sort. It will be a new state forming from two failed ones.

You are of course correct that both states on the island have failed. Both are indeed rotten to the core.

But I can't see how reunification would cure this. The branding will be different, but the rottenness will remain.

I agree to a certain extent, DUP and/or UUP would probably cosy up with FG. Imagine the monster that would create!

Would they though?

I think there would be much resentment there, both have their patches to lose by reunification. Partition suits the establishment parties of the Free State and unionism in the O6. They rule the roost, reunification changes the landscape completely.

If you look at the last assembly elections and the last general election down south. If you combine first pref votes, you are left the following landscape.

SF 25.4%
FF 16.2%
FG 15.2%
DUP 7.5%
Greens 5.8%
UUP 3.5%
SDLP 3.2%
Labour 3.1%
Alliance 2.4%
PBP - 2.3%
SD - 2.1%

What would happen then is you would see smaller parties then be subsumed by some of the bigger ones. Unionist would definitely merge into one mainstream party. I could see the SDLP merging with FF and the likes of the Alliance going in with Labour etc

I think in that situation I see it as inevitable FF/SDLP will pivot one way in the long run and be subsumed either by SF or FG. I would say most likely SF once the state becomes more and more embedded.

[Angelo]

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And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.

You're the one displaying arrogance, intolerance and ignorance here so no need to project your shortcomings on me.

It's not a case of the north being taken in by the south. It's case of two rotten states coming to an end and a new state forming - it's your arrogance and entitlement that does not allow you see this. It's why you are against reunification, you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.

In a new Ireland - that does not happen and I look forward to that day.

[clonadmad]

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And the best advertisement for not having a United Ireland if there are a considerable minority inside Northern Nationalism who think like you.

It's one thing having to deal with the mixture of arrogance and ignorance that the likes of you display here on a regular basis but you then throw the PUL mix into the tank,I don't think so

As regards my lack of education comment,you are blinded by your own stupidity there also.

You're the one displaying arrogance, intolerance and ignorance here so no need to project your shortcomings on me.

It's not a case of the north being taken in by the south. It's case of two rotten states coming to an end and a new state forming - it's your arrogance and entitlement that does not allow you see this. It's why you are against reunification, you have a small minded free stater attitude and a misplaced, unfounded sense of superiority that believes the southerners should rule the roost.

In a new Ireland - that does not happen and I look forward to that day.

point out to me where I said that?