FAI...Spring friendlies for Interim Manager - Belgium/Swiss

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Maroon Manc

Sounds like a major fraud has been committed yet nobody will nobody will ever be convicted of it.

Milltown Row2

Roy Keane was right about the association it seems
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Franko

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2019, 10:46:59 PM
Roy Keane was right about the association it seems

It would seem so!

This interview is almost prophetic.

https://youtu.be/x8bkT6eIrnc

Milltown Row2

Quote from: Franko on December 09, 2019, 11:56:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 09, 2019, 10:46:59 PM
Roy Keane was right about the association it seems

It would seem so!

This interview is almost prophetic.

https://youtu.be/x8bkT6eIrnc

Roy for all his faults, never has any problems speaking his mind.
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea


seafoid


https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/department-of-sport-to-meet-irfu-for-aviva-stadium-talks-1.4119751

Department of Sport to meet IRFU for Aviva Stadium talks
Move comes after FAI falls behind in its payments towards operation of ground
about 8 hours ago
Emmet Malone, Jack Horgan-Jones



The FAI, which is in serious financial difficulty, is understood to be €1.2 million behind in its licence payments on the Aviva. Photograph: Morgan Treacy/Inpho



Officials from the Department of Sport are to meet the Irish Rugby Football Union (IRFU) on Thursday for talks on the future of the Aviva Stadium after the Football Association of Ireland (FAI) fell behind in its payments towards the operation of the ground.
The FAI, which is in serious financial difficulty and this week requested a financial support package of €18 million from the Government, is understood to be €1.2 million behind in its licence payments on the Aviva.
The licence payments are due from the two organisations to meet the ongoing costs of running the stadium, and are funded from match day revenue which flows to the respective soccer and rugby governing bodies following their games at the Aviva.
The IRFU confirmed on Wednesday that it would be meeting officials from the department "to discuss the ongoing operation of New Stadium DAC" – the joint venture between the IRFU and the FAI which owns and operates the 52,000 seat stadium.
The company is 42.5 per cent owned by the FAI, with the remainder owned by the IRFU. Under the ownership structure established when the stadium was built almost a decade ago, both the IRFU and the FAI have two directors apiece on the company's board.
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Minister for Sport Shane Ross said yesterday that the meeting had been requested by the IRFU. It is understood that the IRFU has no interest in acquiring the FAI's share in the stadium.
However, rugby's governing body is thought to be concerned about its responsibilities as a shareholder, and any potential liabilities it may have after the FAI made public the full extent of its financial difficulties earlier in the month.
Government first charge
While the subject of selling the FAI stake was repeatedly raised at yesterday's meeting of the Oireachtas sport committee, it is believed there would not be any real market for the FAI's share given the extremely limited scope of its operations and the fact that it does not generate significant profits.
The stadium cost €460 million to build with the government contributing €191 million. The Government retains a first charge over the stadium, meaning it cannot be sold without the permission of the minister for sport.
Mr Ross refused to say whether he would object to the sale of the FAI's stake, but it is thought that the Government would be unlikely to stand in the FAI's way if that was the route it opted to go down in an attempt to reduce its liabilities.
Aviva Stadium director Martin Murphy believes that any attempt to sell the association's interest would be "complicated".
"There would be charges over it and the bank would have a say," he said. "It's not something that you can really just put a 'for sale' sign on, and it would be very hard to put a value on."
The department's assistant secretary Ken Spratt told the committee that the stadium's business model "only really works if it [the stadium] is owned by the governing bodies".
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Baile Brigín 2

Yesterday was surreal. Ross and Griffin had no idea that if the FAI fold taking the LoI with it that we lose the national teams. Frightening stuff.

Aslo the Departments wheeze that the IRFU would buy the FAI out of LR was given short shrift. Whats in it for the IRFU?

Main Street

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 19, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
Yesterday was surreal. Ross and Griffin had no idea that if the FAI fold taking the LoI with it that we lose the national teams. Frightening stuff.

Aslo the Departments wheeze that the IRFU would buy the FAI out of LR was given short shrift. Whats in it for the IRFU?
Seeing that it's a government department, they should to be seen to explore all angles however unlikely before exploring the last live option.  And before exploring that last option, one could claim with authority that it was only proper that the IRFU be offered  first refusal (or whatever the term is).

AZOffaly

Do FIFA not have a rule about Governmental interference/influence on the country's FA?

Billys Boots

Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2019, 09:43:02 AM
Do FIFA not have a rule about Governmental interference/influence on the country's FA?

They certainly do, but I think it's more to 'hide' their own financial misdemeanors than to 'protect' any particular country's administration.  FIFA will go with the flow, as long as they are not going to suffer financially.  The potential prospect of Ireland hosting the 2030 WC with GB is more likely to sway how this pans out, I'd have thought. 
My hands are stained with thistle milk ...

Main Street

Quote from: Billys Boots on December 20, 2019, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: AZOffaly on December 20, 2019, 09:43:02 AM
Do FIFA not have a rule about Governmental interference/influence on the country's FA?

They certainly do, but I think it's more to 'hide' their own financial misdemeanors than to 'protect' any particular country's administration.  FIFA will go with the flow, as long as they are not going to suffer financially.  The potential prospect of Ireland hosting the 2030 WC with GB is more likely to sway how this pans out, I'd have thought.
Fifa statutes,  Art 15 - A member associations should be independent and avoid any form of political interference;

But the Gov. have every right to withold financial support until they are confident that the FAI operate according to standards.
And the Gov can take property as collateral for a loan but  not interfere in the internal structure of the FAI.

Shane Ross has crossed that line a number of times, grandstanding with typical flourish. But basically he has the public duty to oversee that public money for sports is used for stated purpose.

Main Street

Another statute
19 . Each member association shall manage its affairs independently and without undue influence from third parties.

The pertinent word there is "undue". However, in the context of the current state of the FAI,  what's undue shrinks by the day.

Billys Boots

QuoteFifa statutes,  Art 15 - A member associations should be independent and avoid any form of political interference;

QuoteAnother statute
19 . Each member association shall manage its affairs independently and without undue influence from third parties.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Football-Global-Twenty-first-Century-ebook/dp/B07P55K5BZ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=goldblatt&qid=1576843975&s=digital-text&sr=1-1

If you read Goldblatt's recent tome, you will see very, very clearly that FIFA rarely require implementation of these statutes anywhere in the world.  The flouting of football for political gain is widespread, and probably much, much worse than we've been seeing with the FAI.  We're probably only catching up in terms of corruption - which is probably another highlight of the FAI's ineptitude. 
My hands are stained with thistle milk ...

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: Main Street on December 20, 2019, 12:18:55 AM
Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on December 19, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
Yesterday was surreal. Ross and Griffin had no idea that if the FAI fold taking the LoI with it that we lose the national teams. Frightening stuff.

Aslo the Departments wheeze that the IRFU would buy the FAI out of LR was given short shrift. Whats in it for the IRFU?
Seeing that it's a government department, they should to be seen to explore all angles however unlikely before exploring the last live option.  And before exploring that last option, one could claim with authority that it was only proper that the IRFU be offered  first refusal (or whatever the term is).

But he explored tbe option before asking the FAI if that was a route they were even considering. Its not theirs to sell.


Main Street

Quote from: Billys Boots on December 20, 2019, 12:16:57 PM
QuoteFifa statutes,  Art 15 - A member associations should be independent and avoid any form of political interference;

QuoteAnother statute
19 . Each member association shall manage its affairs independently and without undue influence from third parties.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Football-Global-Twenty-first-Century-ebook/dp/B07P55K5BZ/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=goldblatt&qid=1576843975&s=digital-text&sr=1-1

If you read Goldblatt's recent tome, you will see very, very clearly that FIFA rarely require implementation of these statutes anywhere in the world.  The flouting of football for political gain is widespread, and probably much, much worse than we've been seeing with the FAI.  We're probably only catching up in terms of corruption - which is probably another highlight of the FAI's ineptitude.
Uefa have already warned Ross over his interferance,  that weekend when Uefa came to town. He got ahead of himself then and has just about kept himself in some sort of check. Uefa can't say much more because they do know the FAI is a basket case and the State is an option to bail out the FAI.  I haven't read that book but I am aware of 3 or 4 occasions when FIFA banned an association for some period, one was Iran, another somewhere in Africa. Ross has not crossed that line where the state efffectively interferes with exact appointments and sackings.
Ross has just called for sackings and change  but has not himself effected a sacking or an appointment.