My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
Dominant hand on top which by what you are describing is what he is doing.
Can he strike off both sides on the ground firstly or is he inclined to walk round the ball to strike off his preferred side?
He is striking as if hes holding a golf club if that makes sense, his hands are in the opposite positions, should be right hand with the left sliding down on top but hes the opposite.
He can strike of both sides when striking on the deck.
Always wondered what cack handed actually was, i.e. was it someone having his weaker hand towards the top of the handle or was it someone who swung on their supposed weaker side. If its the former, then it can be an issue with striking off the weakside. If its the latter, there is no issue.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 04, 2022, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
Dominant hand on top which by what you are describing is what he is doing.
Can he strike off both sides on the ground firstly or is he inclined to walk round the ball to strike off his preferred side?
Sorry if i confused you, hes right handed, when striking from his hand his right hand is closest to the bàs.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 04, 2022, 02:25:59 PM
Always wondered what cack handed actually was, i.e. was it someone having his weaker hand towards the top of the handle or was it someone who swung on their supposed weaker side. If its the former, then it can be an issue with striking off the weakside. If its the latter, there is no issue.
Its the former, and looking at things it defo will provide issues when striking off his left side, need to correct it but dont want to be constantly harping on or criticising him.
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
This will hold him back a lot. Walter Walsh massive exception.seen a lad use tape to mark shaft. His right hand should always be nearest the top of handle ,throwing with his left . Left hand then returned to closet to bás. On his left side he will throw the ball under and strke back handed.
Try to downsize his stick maybe also, it might help
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 02:27:46 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 04, 2022, 01:59:44 PM
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
Dominant hand on top which by what you are describing is what he is doing.
Can he strike off both sides on the ground firstly or is he inclined to walk round the ball to strike off his preferred side?
Sorry if i confused you, hes right handed, when striking from his hand his right hand is closest to the bàs.
Then he is cack handed....
Give him as small a hurl as you can find or even a table tennis paddle and a soft ball like a tennis ball, and get him to hit with the one hand, throw with his left and hit one handed with his right off a wall and catch with his left.
can be hard to coach out of a kid when they get comfortable doing it the other way.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 04, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
This will hold him back a lot. Walter Walsh massive exception.seen a lad use tape to mark shaft. His right hand should always be nearest the top of handle ,throwing with his left . Left hand then returned to closet to bás. On his left side he will throw the ball under and strke back handed.
Walter Walsh if anything proves the point of trying to address the grip at a young an age as possible, it's his Achilles heel at senior intercounty level as his stroke is so slow, awkward and ponderous where he's got everything else going for him, physique, power, catching and a decent turn of pace, but due to his strike he's easily blocked down and forced out wide.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 04, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
This will hold him back a lot. Walter Walsh massive exception.seen a lad use tape to mark shaft. His right hand should always be nearest the top of handle ,throwing with his left . Left hand then returned to closet to bás. On his left side he will throw the ball under and strke back handed.
Try to downsize his stick maybe also, it might help
Need to correct it, everything else is ok, catches with his left, hurl always in his dominant right hand, just when striking his left hand is coming across and sitting at the top pf the hurl, hopefully can correct it.
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 04, 2022, 03:17:42 PM
Quote from: Upandover on October 04, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
My eldest is striking cackhanded, he is right handed but when striking his left hand goes to the bottom of the hurl with his right hand above.
Hes 8 years old and has been hurling a couple of years now, im trying my best to coach it out of him but he keeps reverting back, ive read some players do indeed play this way and ive heard ppl say if hes comfortable that way then leave it.
I dont want to be constantly on at him about it, should i leave as is or anyone any tips in changing?
This will hold him back a lot. Walter Walsh massive exception.seen a lad use tape to mark shaft. His right hand should always be nearest the top of handle ,throwing with his left . Left hand then returned to closet to bás. On his left side he will throw the ball under and strke back handed.
Try to downsize his stick maybe also, it might help
Need to correct it, everything else is ok, catches with his left, hurl always in his dominant right hand, just when striking his left hand is coming across and sitting at the top pf the hurl, hopefully can correct it.
Its the biggest challenge for coaches and about 30-40% wains start out that way-you are onto it so he will be grand
Not sure Walter is the exception, maybe recently. Gary Kirby ? Joe Deane? Aidan Fogarty KK maybe as well off the top of my head?
I remember doing this when I started playing when I was younger, with most boys doing the same. Because we could hit the ball well we didn't listen to the coach and thought we knew best, but I always remember when I made the change, it took a few weeks of solid practice to master it and I got far, far more distance in my strike. Our coach sellotaped our hand to the top of the hurl.
Young fella is taking a strong interest in hurling and I wouldn't have a clue. Not sure how he is holding the hurl but will have a closer look after reading this thread
Have just found this video, I'm guessing it's saying the same as you guys here and is the proper way to do things?
https://youtu.be/YoP3ZqAPbSA (https://youtu.be/YoP3ZqAPbSA)
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40365266.html
PM O'Sullivan: Why ciotóg Cian Lynch's uncommon hurling grip gives him an edge
I honestly don't think it's as big a deal as some of you, as long as you develop the left side well. Perceived wisdom is your left side will be weaker but I'm not sure it has to be that way if you work at it.
DJ Carey reckoned it was down to personal preference
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 04, 2022, 04:30:25 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40365266.html
PM O'Sullivan: Why ciotóg Cian Lynch's uncommon hurling grip gives him an edge
He's not cack handed though
He'll change eventually a lot of kids starting out will be unsure which way to hold it but as long as he's enjoying it he'll cop on and eventually get it..
Players constantly adapt as they get older when watching their friends. When we were kids we'd dander up to casement and watch the county team training, watching their wee tricks and skills.. just keep the hurl in his hand all the time!!
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 04, 2022, 04:30:25 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40365266.html
PM O'Sullivan: Why ciotóg Cian Lynch's uncommon hurling grip gives him an edge
Lynch is a natural left hander with the dominant hand on top and it's not uncommon for lads of both orientations to strike across the body.
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 04, 2022, 04:34:45 PM
I honestly don't think it's as big a deal as some of you, as long as you develop the left side well. Perceived wisdom is your left side will be weaker but I'm not sure it has to be that way if you work at it.
DJ Carey reckoned it was down to personal preference
Depends on the level you want to get to.
The ability to seamlessly strike off both sides is a must at the highest level, I've yet to see a cack hander strike crisply with a stroke outside their body and I most definitely include Wally Walsh in that.
Paudie Butler is big into the grip and swing for kids if you ever get a conversation with him.
Quote from: johnnycool on October 05, 2022, 09:43:41 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 04, 2022, 04:30:25 PM
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport-columnists-gaa/arid-40365266.html
PM O'Sullivan: Why ciotóg Cian Lynch's uncommon hurling grip gives him an edge
Lynch is a natural left hander with the dominant hand on top and it's not uncommon for lads of both orientations to strike across the body.
Yep agreed- not cack handed
Quote from: johnnycool on October 05, 2022, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 04, 2022, 04:34:45 PM
I honestly don't think it's as big a deal as some of you, as long as you develop the left side well. Perceived wisdom is your left side will be weaker but I'm not sure it has to be that way if you work at it.
DJ Carey reckoned it was down to personal preference
Depends on the level you want to get to.
The ability to seamlessly strike off both sides is a must at the highest level, I've yet to see a cack hander strike crisply with a stroke outside their body and I most definitely include Wally Walsh in that.
Paudie Butler is big into the grip and swing for kids if you ever get a conversation with him.
I just thought he was amazing-he really thought about what it was like to be inside a childs head when starting out- the best coach I have seen
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 05, 2022, 10:13:06 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on October 05, 2022, 09:47:09 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on October 04, 2022, 04:34:45 PM
I honestly don't think it's as big a deal as some of you, as long as you develop the left side well. Perceived wisdom is your left side will be weaker but I'm not sure it has to be that way if you work at it.
DJ Carey reckoned it was down to personal preference
Depends on the level you want to get to.
The ability to seamlessly strike off both sides is a must at the highest level, I've yet to see a cack hander strike crisply with a stroke outside their body and I most definitely include Wally Walsh in that.
Paudie Butler is big into the grip and swing for kids if you ever get a conversation with him.
I just thought he was amazing-he really thought about what it was like to be inside a childs head when starting out- the best coach I have seen
He's different level with kids, but I suppose that comes from being a school teacher and with hurling he's a total fanatic but not overly condescending to us Nordies, although he did give out about the big, ignorant Nordie swing.
"You need to be able to get a shot off in a phone box" was his mantra at one of the sessions he took that I was at.
Best coach i've ever listened to in terms of the skills of the game closely followed by Eamon O'Shea who was more interested in creating chaos during training sessions than drills with cones everywhere.
We had a lad in our club who, at u8s, was probably our best player. However, he was cack-handed, and couldn't be told. What's more, his father told us not to be onto him about it, or he'd give it up altogether. We left it so, and every year it came against him more and more - so much so, that now he's finished at minor and is going to give it up altogether.
Heard one of the Waterford lads - hardly Austin Gleeson, was it? - was cack-handed until 17 or18, and then changed grip and never looked back...
So....... Any aids to combat rather than constantly reminding him?
Dont want to constantly be on his case, kids think youre criticising them if ya try to correct them all the time.
Quote from: Upandover on October 05, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
So....... Any aids to combat rather than constantly reminding him?
Dont want to constantly be on his case, kids think youre criticising them if ya try to correct them all the time.
The tape might work(to mark the stick) or if you could come up with something to secure dominant hand-tell him he is class the whole time. "Look thats brilliant, you could be even better if you done this" and repeated with "brilliant, best I have seen all day
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on October 05, 2022, 02:15:53 PM
Quote from: Upandover on October 05, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
So....... Any aids to combat rather than constantly reminding him?
Dont want to constantly be on his case, kids think youre criticising them if ya try to correct them all the time.
The tape might work(to mark the stick) or if you could come up with something to secure dominant hand-tell him he is class the whole time. "Look thats brilliant, you could be even better if you done this" and repeated with "brilliant, best I have seen all day
I generally find money focuses your kids mind.. If you play the match with the correct hand in position we will go to We are Vertigo.. Or McD's or a tenner ;D If they are under 12 let them try and work it out for themselves
Quote from: Upandover on October 05, 2022, 01:44:32 PM
So....... Any aids to combat rather than constantly reminding him?
Dont want to constantly be on his case, kids think youre criticising them if ya try to correct them all the time.
One of the coaches in our club had a 'yoke' - sort of like a glove - attached to the top of the hurl, so the young lad could only hold it one way. As I said, though, the chap in question knew better than us and wouldn't use it. I think it was a home-made job, this 'yoke'...