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#91

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by Applesisapples - April 22, 2024, 03:44:46 PM

Another example of Tyrone being refereed differently again. How can one be a yellow card and the other black?

Did you see the whole incident or just what we seen on the telly?

To be fair the BBC could not find why there was 1 black and 1 yellow appeared bizzarre, a big call that impacted on the game. Do you know why?

#92

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and...

Last post by HokeyPokey - April 22, 2024, 03:42:58 PM

It's hard to know where any team stands with this new format. It's not as if every other team has been firing on all cylinders. Cork (Div 2) put it up to Kerry, Derry lost to Donegal(Div 2) and Galway were losing for the whole of normal time against Sligo (Div 3).

Plenty of people were tipping Cavan to beat Tyrone. The crowd gave Cavan a big advantage and they aren't a bad side and were off a win against Monaghan(Div 1). Tyrone's lack of nouse is concerning, but that is to be expected with 9 debutants and several more who only got their debuts last year. There are a few key men to come back, so there's room to grow. Tyrone have shown some great football in patches and the young players have shown well.

I have my doubts about the management team, but look at their professional careers, they aren't idiots. There's many more games to be played in this championship. One championship match played (and won) is not the time to make damning judgements.

#93

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by tbrick18 - April 22, 2024, 03:33:21 PM

Donegal v Tyrone fixed for Celtic park. Probably sensible, I just hope the Ulster Council don't oversell the bluebell terrace again. Last weekend felt dangerously overcrowded.

#94

GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster Senior football cha...

Last post by AustinPowers - April 22, 2024, 03:26:35 PM

But fans have Cold Play to look forward to!

I think I'd rather  be stuck in the Clones traffic  than suffer that

[Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too).]

#95

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and...

Last post by Truthsayer - April 22, 2024, 03:21:20 PM

No issue with players being blooded, transition years, need to gain experience...all that stuff....fine...

But surely you should be able to see a plan, a system, some kind of tactics beyond the basic, something to give these players a structure to develop in ...

What does that even mean? Lost their way when Hampsey went off on the black card... need to look at that. They were the much better side.

What that means is exactly what it says. It's great to see new players get brought in and given a meaningful taste of league and championship.

There is also a lot of talent there, which means we can go on scoring sprees and look fantastic for periods. All good. So the raw ingredients are there.

What is not evident is a system or structured gameplay to compete with Dublin/Kerry/Derry (and McGuiness back means Donegal are also a much diffeent prospect).

There is zero consistency in the team, from quarter to quarter, never mind game to game.

Maybe I just dont see/understand the current tactics as well as others and I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

Nah you've still lost me. Maybe I'm not up to speed with gameplans. You mention Derry, they were a shambles at the weekend. Kerry scraped past Cork. I've must have a simpler outlook. Tyrone went away from home and beat a side just beat Monaghan. Things went badly awry on the black card and need to look at why. Sitting in Breffini Park yesterday wat I saw was Tyrone were the much better team and when it was 15 v 15 Cavan wouldn't have won if we were there to next Tuesday. Next up... Donegal.

You don't think going a man down and how to cope with it is an element that the management should have dealt with in training? I would be asking serious questions about why we opened up so quickly during those 10 mins. That re-organisation lies with management imo.

Def needs reviewed: they know that. Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too). I see the glass half full not half empty: 9 players made championship debut. When it went back to 15 v 15 was never in doubt. To go to Cavan and be hauled back like that and win showed great character.
Maybe I don't have your expectations of a team in transition. Reality check: They won't be beating Kerry or Dublin no more than Derry or Donegal will...
 

a club team management would have that angle covered. A black card happens regular in games so it needs to be handled irrespective of who the player carded is.....basic stuff for all teams. Delegation, planning and proper instruction sorts that out easily

I am like yourself and try to take the positives from it (9 debutants, great first 30 minutes) but how can we let a black card derail us is concerning. The real positive was that most of them debutants were on the pitch in the crucial closing stages of ET when the game was in the melting pot.

Hard to know what to expect next week....if we deliver then we could win but it is the total inconsistency that is our problem - we don't know what is happening from one half to the next never mind one game to the next.

I think your over-cooking what managers can do. The problem wasn't so much the blackcard was that the player who got it had such a huge influence on the game up to then.
Derry on Saturday was a complete mess, a few weeks ago Harte being hailed as a genius.
We'll see what happens...I've more faith in the management than you obviously..
 

There is a limit to what management can do without doubt but setting up a team in a coherent fashion with a clear plan isn't too much to expect. We haven't had that the last two years, the team has been a disjointed mess. The management team basically got a free pass for that because of 2021 and that was fair enough. Once they decided to put themselves forward for another term the free pass expired for me and they don't get off with this team in transition line either. Yes there are lots of young players but they are very good young players with a very good experienced core already there. It shouldn't be asking too much after McKenna Cup and seven league games for something like a well tuned team to be emerging. Instead they went off the boil massively in the second-half with the total collapse after the (questionable) Hampsey black card very concerning. It was pretty obvious that Mattie (who was class) wasn't happy at all afterwards. I'm not expecting any titles this summer but we need to see some real evidence this management team are bringing a competitive new team together and building towards something much better than the shambles of the past two summers. Big few weeks ahead of them.

You're a hard taskmaster! 9 players played in their first county championship : ) That wouldn't beat Donegal but it didnt have to... they won. I wouldn't be inclined to hammer them... see how Sunday goes.

#96

General discussion / Re: Things that make you go Wh...

Last post by Tones - April 22, 2024, 03:18:45 PM

Hope it's not  these charms for someone with diabetes.

#97

Hurling Discussion / Re: AI Hurling Championship 20...

Last post by NAG1 - April 22, 2024, 03:13:22 PM

Clare's level dropped slightly but not by much and Limerick powered through that quarter. Clare did have a couple of bad wides in this period which might just have kept them in the game.

Keeper has been an issue for them for a few years now, but he is obviously the best they have. Great game and the only major problem for those outside of Limerick is that this will bring them on again. Ominous for the others.

#98

Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurl...

Last post by Rawhide - April 22, 2024, 03:13:18 PM

Its a strange one, the guy in his 13 yr senior career has never lifted his hand to hit a player. He is physical in the tackle etc, but its a hard one to figure. No history until now.

#99

Antrim / Re: Antrim Football Thread

Last post by Saffsof82 - April 22, 2024, 02:58:43 PM

Joe C has left Creggan,played 4 games, won 3 lost 1, whats the story there?

[Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too).]

#100

Tyrone / Re: Tyrone County Football and...

Last post by Lamh Dhearg Alba - April 22, 2024, 02:37:54 PM

No issue with players being blooded, transition years, need to gain experience...all that stuff....fine...

But surely you should be able to see a plan, a system, some kind of tactics beyond the basic, something to give these players a structure to develop in ...

What does that even mean? Lost their way when Hampsey went off on the black card... need to look at that. They were the much better side.

What that means is exactly what it says. It's great to see new players get brought in and given a meaningful taste of league and championship.

There is also a lot of talent there, which means we can go on scoring sprees and look fantastic for periods. All good. So the raw ingredients are there.

What is not evident is a system or structured gameplay to compete with Dublin/Kerry/Derry (and McGuiness back means Donegal are also a much diffeent prospect).

There is zero consistency in the team, from quarter to quarter, never mind game to game.

Maybe I just dont see/understand the current tactics as well as others and I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

Nah you've still lost me. Maybe I'm not up to speed with gameplans. You mention Derry, they were a shambles at the weekend. Kerry scraped past Cork. I've must have a simpler outlook. Tyrone went away from home and beat a side just beat Monaghan. Things went badly awry on the black card and need to look at why. Sitting in Breffini Park yesterday wat I saw was Tyrone were the much better team and when it was 15 v 15 Cavan wouldn't have won if we were there to next Tuesday. Next up... Donegal.

You don't think going a man down and how to cope with it is an element that the management should have dealt with in training? I would be asking serious questions about why we opened up so quickly during those 10 mins. That re-organisation lies with management imo.

Def needs reviewed: they know that. Hard to plan for every single player to get a black card, of all the ones to get one Hampsey probably be the most damaging (Mattie too). I see the glass half full not half empty: 9 players made championship debut. When it went back to 15 v 15 was never in doubt. To go to Cavan and be hauled back like that and win showed great character.
Maybe I don't have your expectations of a team in transition. Reality check: They won't be beating Kerry or Dublin no more than Derry or Donegal will...
 

a club team management would have that angle covered. A black card happens regular in games so it needs to be handled irrespective of who the player carded is.....basic stuff for all teams. Delegation, planning and proper instruction sorts that out easily

I am like yourself and try to take the positives from it (9 debutants, great first 30 minutes) but how can we let a black card derail us is concerning. The real positive was that most of them debutants were on the pitch in the crucial closing stages of ET when the game was in the melting pot.

Hard to know what to expect next week....if we deliver then we could win but it is the total inconsistency that is our problem - we don't know what is happening from one half to the next never mind one game to the next.

I think your over-cooking what managers can do. The problem wasn't so much the blackcard was that the player who got it had such a huge influence on the game up to then.
Derry on Saturday was a complete mess, a few weeks ago Harte being hailed as a genius.
We'll see what happens...I've more faith in the management than you obviously..
 

There is a limit to what management can do without doubt but setting up a team in a coherent fashion with a clear plan isn't too much to expect. We haven't had that the last two years, the team has been a disjointed mess. The management team basically got a free pass for that because of 2021 and that was fair enough. Once they decided to put themselves forward for another term the free pass expired for me and they don't get off with this team in transition line either. Yes there are lots of young players but they are very good young players with a very good experienced core already there. It shouldn't be asking too much after McKenna Cup and seven league games for something like a well tuned team to be emerging. Instead they went off the boil massively in the second-half with the total collapse after the (questionable) Hampsey black card very concerning. It was pretty obvious that Mattie (who was class) wasn't happy at all afterwards. I'm not expecting any titles this summer but we need to see some real evidence this management team are bringing a competitive new team together and building towards something much better than the shambles of the past two summers. Big few weeks ahead of them.