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#1
General discussion / Re: explosion in omagh
April 03, 2011, 11:03:03 PM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 03, 2011, 10:53:40 PM
Quote from: stonebreaker on April 03, 2011, 10:48:06 PM
So anyone pre 94, good enough for him....

Anyone post 94, its a tragedy. Didn't deserve it, etc.

Hypocracy in a bottle.......

Start another thread if you want to raise that issue, and leave this one alone as a tribute -- you, very transparently, are pushing a particular political agenda, and this is not the place for it.

Hypocrisy indeed.

I question terrorism and murder and you scream 'political agenda'?  That says it all. Murder is wrong. End of. It's not a 'pick 'n mix'.  I think we'll leave it at that.

I think the mask's gonna slip from a lot of boys from here on in.....
#2
General discussion / Re: explosion in omagh
April 03, 2011, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 03, 2011, 10:40:21 PM
Quote from: stonebreaker on April 03, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 03, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: stonebreaker on April 03, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?

That post has just confirmed my suspicions. It seems you just dislike republicanism and your post was simply an attempt to tacitly associate the wider republican movement and republican philosophy into what happened yesterday at the hands of dissident, braindead, violence obsessed, strategy-less nut jobs. Don't pretend you don't understand the difference between republicans and dissidents. As for the GFA, every side had concessions. Loyalists have not been carrying out attacks on innocent Catholics. Nobody calling themselves republican should be carrying out attacks on anybody when there is an opportunity for peace and to achieve aims by peaceful means. Ronan was a friend and I have no intention of getting into any kind of debate on a thread which should be kept to tributes so I'm leaving it at that.

So anyone pre 94, good enough for him....

Anyone post 94, its a tragedy. Didn't deserve it, etc.

Hypocracy in a bottle.......
#3
General discussion / Re: explosion in omagh
April 03, 2011, 10:35:27 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2011, 10:32:49 PM
Quote from: stonebreaker on April 03, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 03, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: stonebreaker on April 03, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?

So your answer is?

Terrorism is wrong. What do you think?
#4
General discussion / Re: explosion in omagh
April 03, 2011, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on April 03, 2011, 10:23:47 PM
What age are you Stonebreaker? First off maybe had you lived life were death was only round the corner cause you were a taig and couldn't get a job because you were from the Falls or even not able to get a house because the Prods wanted it instead then you would have some sort of idea that we are in a hell of a better of a place than the one i grew up in.

What is it that you want, and how will it better your life? Sinn Fein i presume still want all the stuff pre ceasefire. Most Catholics still want that also but maybe not prepared to kill Catholics to get there. Seems others have no problem in that and you are confused with that

Believe me Milltown, but I've personally experienced terrorism at its worst. It doesn't matter where it originates from. It's ugly and its wrong....
#5
General discussion / Re: explosion in omagh
April 03, 2011, 10:26:36 PM
Quote from: Nally Stand on April 03, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
Quote from: stonebreaker on April 03, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?
#6
General discussion / Re: explosion in omagh
April 03, 2011, 10:14:51 PM
An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?