I see a lot of commotion about banning hunting on FB and TV. I grew up hunting with hounds and terriers and lurchers. It was part of country life. Most of the country lads I went to school with did the same. I travelled all over the Northern counties to meet with other "Foot Hound" hunts and always enjoyed the sport and the camaraderie with the groups.
There's still houndsmen in Armagh.
There's plenty of lads lamping still and shooting foxes and other vermin.
What are folks thoughts on it? Is it a big show made for FB? Are people dead set against it? Are those against it all folks that would be classified as "townies"?
Where do you stand?
Is any form of hunting ok?
I don't like hunting. I don't like sports where one of the teams doesn't know they are playing.
Firmly for it.
With vermin control needed in farming and rural circles I fail to see how it can be banned apart from the relentless zeal of a the do gooders needing an outlet
I don't agree with this shite that only townies oppose hunting. I'm a country lad born and bred and I would have no time for this hunting shite. Pile of rich pricks doing untold harm to the countryside and wildlife.
People talk about foxes as if we're tripping over them at ever turn. They're not that populous and hunting is in no way "Vermin control". If I wanted to control the fox population I'd go out and rip up a few plantings, hedgerows and scrub ground with a digger. That's happening regularly enough and we're not over-run with any animal in this country that's fit to do any harm. The only exception I'd put to that are cats.
I'd say Mitsubishi shoguns kill more foxes in a year than bloodhounds do. It's not vermin control in my eyes.
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2017, 09:48:54 PM
I'd say Mitsubishi shoguns kill more foxes in a year than bloodhounds do. It's not vermin control in my eyes.
It's also not all rich pricks on horses. We hunted and we had nothing to do with the horsey men. The majority of people who hunt in Ireland are working class rural people.
Grew up similarly, going hunting with dogs was a regular occurence and I certainly didn't consider it cruel at the time but I was a youngster and wouldn't have been thinking too deeply about it at the time, i'd say I haven't done it since I was 15/16. I wouldn't be encouraging my own kids to take it up.
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2017, 09:48:54 PM
I'd say Mitsubishi shoguns kill more foxes in a year than bloodhounds do. It's not vermin control in my eyes.
Yokes?
Quote from: The Iceman on May 15, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2017, 09:48:54 PM
I'd say Mitsubishi shoguns kill more foxes in a year than bloodhounds do. It's not vermin control in my eyes.
It's also not all rich pricks on horses. We hunted and we had nothing to do with the horsey men. The majority of people who hunt in Ireland are working class rural people.
I was going to say it was a bit of a working class thing myself.
Grew up in the country myself. I don't agree with hunting and I don't think that tradition is justification for anything. "Traditional route down the Garvaghy Rd" springs to mind.
Barn reared and live in one of the most rural Counties in Ireland.
Totally opposed to "hunting".
I absolutely detest hunters who try to appropriate rural Ireland and try and make out that their niche interests are somehow an intrinsic part of the fabric of rural life that town folk just don't understand.
The fact no one in the hunting community will ever admit to is that they are probably disliked most of all in rural Ireland because the problems and harm they cause isn't philosophical but real, day-to-day issues that people in the countryside have to deal with directly. The amount of farmers I know whose fences have been destroyed on these organised hunts or whose cattle have been shot near because some idiot has seen a fox or a pheasant in the field over is unreal. So few of them have any respect for private land.
Vermin control, would ya ever cop on. That might sound good to the uneducated townies but anyone in the countryside knows you'll get a lot more done with some poison than dressing up like Jack Charlton and wandering around a hedgerow with a 300 euro peashooter.
The actual number of people I know who are hunters is incredibly low too, indeed most people don't even have a gun in their house and would never want one darkening their door in the first place.
I'd sooner go to a protest against hunting than I would one about water charges or any of that shite people waste their time with these days.
I wouldn't go as far to call it cruel but it's just very pointless. I wish people would give their time to eradicate a real social menance and not some innocent animal trying to get by in a human dominated world.
If hunting was directed towards daily mail readers, vegans or cross-fitters I'd have no problem with it.
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2017, 12:25:50 AM
I absolutely detest hunters who try to appropriate rural Ireland and try and make out that their niche interests are somehow an intrinsic part of the fabric of rural life that town folk just don't understand.
The fact no one in the hunting community will ever admit to is that they are probably disliked most of all in rural Ireland because the problems and harm they cause isn't philosophical but real, day-to-day issues that people in the countryside have to deal with directly. The amount of farmers I know whose fences have been destroyed on these organised hunts or whose cattle have been shot near because some idiot has seen a fox or a pheasant in the field over is unreal. So few of them have any respect for private land.
Vermin control, would ya ever cop on. That might sound good to the uneducated townies but anyone in the countryside knows you'll get a lot more done with some poison than dressing up like Jack Charlton and wandering around a hedgerow with a 300 euro peashooter.
The actual number of people I know who are hunters is incredibly low too, indeed most people don't even have a gun in their house and would never want one darkening their door in the first place.
I'd sooner go to a protest against hunting than I would one about water charges or any of that shite people waste their time with these days.
Have you statistics -verified source would be nice - of all these cattle that are shot by field sports enthusiasts?
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2017, 12:25:50 AM
I absolutely detest hunters who try to appropriate rural Ireland and try and make out that their niche interests are somehow an intrinsic part of the fabric of rural life that town folk just don't understand.
The fact no one in the hunting community will ever admit to is that they are probably disliked most of all in rural Ireland because the problems and harm they cause isn't philosophical but real, day-to-day issues that people in the countryside have to deal with directly. The amount of farmers I know whose fences have been destroyed on these organised hunts or whose cattle have been shot near because some idiot has seen a fox or a pheasant in the field over is unreal. So few of them have any respect for private land.
Vermin control, would ya ever cop on. That might sound good to the uneducated townies but anyone in the countryside knows you'll get a lot more done with some poison than dressing up like Jack Charlton and wandering around a hedgerow with a 300 euro peashooter.
The actual number of people I know who are hunters is incredibly low too, indeed most people don't even have a gun in their house and would never want one darkening their door in the first place.
I'd sooner go to a protest against hunting than I would one about water charges or any of that shite people waste their time with these days.
Spot on. Remember the RISE campaign? "Rural Ireland Says Enough"? Letting on it was a grass-roots revolt to defend stag hunting but it was nothing but an astroturf campaign with that grumpy cretin An Fear Rua hired as a mouthpiece. The tally-ho crowd tried to pass themselves off as representative of all rural dwellers but I don't think they fooled too many people.
Hunting mink is fine. it's is the one animal that needs to be eradicated as it has decimated native mammals and birds.
Hunting still classed as a sport seriously? Children will do almost anything no sense but it takes a certain individual as a adult to go hunting animals in the first place maybe a butcher by trade?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on May 16, 2017, 01:01:41 AM
Hunting mink is fine. it's is the one animal that needs to be eradicated as it has decimated native mammals and birds.
Cats should be hunted too. For the same reasons.
Just to be clear here
Are we talking about the tally ho brigade type of hunting or heading off with the dog and a double barrel type of hunting?
The tally ho brigade do themselves no favours at all and I wouldn't shed a tear if they were severely curtailed on their antics but banning I would only encourage the do gooders.
I have to laugh at those that are out in a group of about 40 on horse back dressed like red coats with a hundred dogs saying that they are there as vermin control, even if fox numbers need to be controlled which I doubt its hardly the most efficient method, especially when you consider that for some of these hunts the toffs have someone breeding the fox's in captivity.
Sometimes hunting is necessary but I don't think it should be considered a sport.
Hunted with lurchers, terriers, lamps etc myself when I was in my teens. Was a great hobby. Maybe 3 or 4 rabbits every time we went out and called in the odd fox.
The hunters nearly became the hunted when we got a bit to close to Maghaberry jail at one stage in the 90's and we were lined up against a wall by a half dozen soldiers at 2am. Scary enough when you're 14.
Would still see a load of teens heading out with the lurchers etc round Lurgan. Keeps them off the streets.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 16, 2017, 07:54:37 AM
Just to be clear here
Are we talking about the tally ho brigade type of hunting or heading off with the dog and a double barrel type of hunting?
The tally ho brigade do themselves no favours at all and I wouldn't shed a tear if they were severely curtailed on their antics but banning I would only encourage the do gooders.
I know both types, the tally ho's who are despised by the local farmers and then the double barrel and dog type lads who almost certainly aren't farmers and are always looking farmers to sign permits to allow them to hold firearms. Some gun and springer lads I know breed their own fowl for shooting at whatever season or other and that's fine but its certainly nothing to do with vermin control, just blood sports simples.
Often went shooting with the father and uncles. Basically a couple of shotguns and a few dogs. If you bagged a pheasant down the moss then great. It was eaten and i see nothing wrong with that. Hunting as in tally ho etc i detest. If you aren't going to eat it why kill it. I apply the same logic to fishing.
At the moment i have a fox that is living in and around our back garden. As a result there has been no cat poo for months so he is very welcome.
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2017/0515/875278-cork-coypu/
Could maybe encourage hunting in langerland
Quote from: maddog on May 16, 2017, 08:53:28 AM
Often went shooting with the father and uncles. Basically a couple of shotguns and a few dogs. If you bagged a pheasant down the moss then great. It was eaten and i see nothing wrong with that. Hunting as in tally ho etc i detest. If you aren't going to eat it why kill it. I apply the same logic to fishing.
At the moment i have a fox that is living in and around our back garden. As a result there has been no cat poo for months so he is very welcome.
Where can i get me one of these fox things... cats are a fuckin torture
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
Quote from: maddog on May 16, 2017, 08:53:28 AM
Often went shooting with the father and uncles. Basically a couple of shotguns and a few dogs. If you bagged a pheasant down the moss then great. It was eaten and i see nothing wrong with that. Hunting as in tally ho etc i detest. If you aren't going to eat it why kill it. I apply the same logic to fishing.
At the moment i have a fox that is living in and around our back garden. As a result there has been no cat poo for months so he is very welcome.
Where can i get me one of these fox things... cats are a fuckin torture
I also find that if you dry out some used tea bags and then soak them in diesel and scatter around the garden they dont like the smell and that helps keep them out.
I was part of a foot hound organization. We hunted hares. In the ten years I hunted I think we killed maybe 5? The purpose was the hunt, the chase. We didn't want to kill the hare or we'd have nothing to hunt the next week. Hares run in circles or rings, each one about 1-2 miles in distance around. You get to see what dogs have the speed, the scent, you get to watch the hare try to evade them - it was a real sport. We hated to run into a fox because they'll head straight out for miles and you end up losing dogs. In my time hunting with hounds we killed one fox.
We hunted rabbits with ferrets for the Greyhound men. They bought them off us alive to blood their dogs. I also went out with terrier and lurcher men and dug foxes or lamped at night time.
The horsey brigade are an entirely different group.
Quote from: The Iceman on May 16, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
I was part of a foot hound organization. We hunted hares. In the ten years I hunted I think we killed maybe 5? The purpose was the hunt, the chase. We didn't want to kill the hare or we'd have nothing to hunt the next week. Hares run in circles or rings, each one about 1-2 miles in distance around. You get to see what dogs have the speed, the scent, you get to watch the hare try to evade them - it was a real sport. We hated to run into a fox because they'll head straight out for miles and you end up losing dogs. In my time hunting with hounds we killed one fox.
We hunted rabbits with ferrets for the Greyhound men. They bought them off us alive to blood their dogs. I also went out with terrier and lurcher men and dug foxes or lamped at night time.
The horsey brigade are an entirely different group.
You need to Google the word 'sport' before you type another word.
Quote from: The Iceman on May 16, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
I was part of a foot hound organization. We hunted hares. In the ten years I hunted I think we killed maybe 5? The purpose was the hunt, the chase. We didn't want to kill the hare or we'd have nothing to hunt the next week. Hares run in circles or rings, each one about 1-2 miles in distance around. You get to see what dogs have the speed, the scent, you get to watch the hare try to evade them - it was a real sport. We hated to run into a fox because they'll head straight out for miles and you end up losing dogs. In my time hunting with hounds we killed one fox.
We hunted rabbits with ferrets for the Greyhound men. They bought them off us alive to blood their dogs. I also went out with terrier and lurcher men and dug foxes or lamped at night time.
The horsey brigade are an entirely different group.
Where is the sport or enjoyment in digging an animal out of its home? The fact that someone would want to do that is peculiar and a bit psychopathic in my opinion.
brought up in the country but never hunted in my life. most of the locals would have gone hunting , not a horse or beagle in sight.
maybe some one can differentiate between rich hunters and working class hunters and how to ban one of them??
I was also brought up to believe not to go shouting about banning anything that i've no interest in had has nothing to do with me.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on May 16, 2017, 01:50:37 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 16, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
I was part of a foot hound organization. We hunted hares. In the ten years I hunted I think we killed maybe 5? The purpose was the hunt, the chase. We didn't want to kill the hare or we'd have nothing to hunt the next week. Hares run in circles or rings, each one about 1-2 miles in distance around. You get to see what dogs have the speed, the scent, you get to watch the hare try to evade them - it was a real sport. We hated to run into a fox because they'll head straight out for miles and you end up losing dogs. In my time hunting with hounds we killed one fox.
We hunted rabbits with ferrets for the Greyhound men. They bought them off us alive to blood their dogs. I also went out with terrier and lurcher men and dug foxes or lamped at night time.
The horsey brigade are an entirely different group.
Where is the sport or enjoyment in digging an animal out of its home? The fact that someone would want to do that is peculiar and a bit psychopathic in my opinion.
I specifically referenced the hound chasing the hare as a sport - not the digging foxes. Have you ever watched animals fighting in nature? Do you switch off the discovery channel when it's on there? I think as a teen it was something a lot of the country lads did. There was something to be said about owning a great dog or being a great shot with a rifle. I think hitting a golf ball and walking after it for hours is peculiar...
I don't hunt with dogs anymore. I haven't since I was in my teens. My old foot hound club is still active but mostly with older men who were old when i was a lad. I grew out of it. I'm not against it.
must say i didnt realise this craic was very popular round here. Do the tally ho crowd exist in Ireland?
My da would have done a bit of hunting/shooting when i was younger but i think it was mostly just ducks etc. Still know people who do this but dont know anyone who goes out hunting foxes.
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2017, 12:25:50 AM
I absolutely detest hunters who try to appropriate rural Ireland and try and make out that their niche interests are somehow an intrinsic part of the fabric of rural life that town folk just don't understand.
The fact no one in the hunting community will ever admit to is that they are probably disliked most of all in rural Ireland because the problems and harm they cause isn't philosophical but real, day-to-day issues that people in the countryside have to deal with directly. The amount of farmers I know whose fences have been destroyed on these organised hunts or whose cattle have been shot near because some idiot has seen a fox or a pheasant in the field over is unreal. So few of them have any respect for private land.
Vermin control, would ya ever cop on. That might sound good to the uneducated townies but anyone in the countryside knows you'll get a lot more done with some poison than dressing up like Jack Charlton and wandering around a hedgerow with a 300 euro peashooter.
The actual number of people I know who are hunters is incredibly low too, indeed most people don't even have a gun in their house and would never want one darkening their door in the first place.
I'd sooner go to a protest against hunting than I would one about water charges or any of that shite people waste their time with these days.
You were going well until the "poison" bit!
Although that depends on what you're talking about. Rat poison laid in a pipe or whatever in a shed to specifically target rats and mice is a lot different to a piece of strychnine treated meat or carrion which targets any wild mammal or bird which happens along.
No real issue with hunting, in theory, myself, although I have a lot of issues with what is targeted and how.
As a scientifically informed method of wildlife management, it is necessary in places to control pests and other species that have adapted to humans, such as deer, and invasive species which pose a serious threat to native flora and fauna. But, scientific is the key: e.g. to control deer populations you have to shoot does/hinds as well as bucks/stags, otherwise all you're doing is taking out a male who will be replaced by the next boy in the hierarchy.
And the idea of targeting rare or endangered species or species trying to recover, sometimes amid reintroduction efforts, is completely abhorrent. There are some gobshites about in Ireland such as that Longford councilor last year with the ludicrous claims about pine martens.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
must say i didnt realise this craic was very popular round here. Do the tally ho crowd exist in Ireland?
My da would have done a bit of hunting/shooting when i was younger but i think it was mostly just ducks etc. Still know people who do this but dont know anyone who goes out hunting foxes.
Horse led hunts from Tynan and Moy around Christmas. Not sure how regular it is but there are 2 clubs a stones throw from Davitt Park.
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Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2017, 12:25:50 AM
I absolutely detest hunters who try to appropriate rural Ireland and try and make out that their niche interests are somehow an intrinsic part of the fabric of rural life that town folk just don't understand.
The fact no one in the hunting community will ever admit to is that they are probably disliked most of all in rural Ireland because the problems and harm they cause isn't philosophical but real, day-to-day issues that people in the countryside have to deal with directly. The amount of farmers I know whose fences have been destroyed on these organised hunts or whose cattle have been shot near because some idiot has seen a fox or a pheasant in the field over is unreal. So few of them have any respect for private land.
Vermin control, would ya ever cop on. That might sound good to the uneducated townies but anyone in the countryside knows you'll get a lot more done with some poison than dressing up like Jack Charlton and wandering around a hedgerow with a 300 euro peashooter.
The actual number of people I know who are hunters is incredibly low too, indeed most people don't even have a gun in their house and would never want one darkening their door in the first place.
I'd sooner go to a protest against hunting than I would one about water charges or any of that shite people waste their time with these days.
You were going well until the "poison" bit!
Although that depends on what you're talking about. Rat poison laid in a pipe or whatever in a shed to specifically target rats and mice is a lot different to a piece of strychnine treated meat or carrion which targets any wild mammal or bird which happens along.
Badgers have been under siege from poison since the moment they got associated with TB. Hell, they only realised last year that it's spread via faeces and urine rather than direct contact so the science behind it is a bit haphazard. Some farmers go full concentration camp and pump gas down badger holes to kill them. Illegal, but that's another issue.
The impact of hunters controlling supposed vermin is minimal whatever they think or profess. The are simply neither good enough at hunting nor numerous enough to make a serious impact on that front - TB will spread just as easily with 70% of the badger population as 100%, to continue the example. If you're really going to deal with that situation via culling it needs to be systematic and relentless and a few rifles and traps won't do the trick. And those approaches bring with it massive collateral damage beyond the intended targets too. Animal control through vaccination would probably be the best solution when it comes to actually making a lasting positive impact for all involved in that case.
Hunters like the thrill of shooting and killing things. Everything else is just putting fancy clothes on the hooker.
Have no problem with hunting as long as you you would eat what you kill.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 15, 2017, 09:30:35 PM
I don't like hunting. I don't like sports where one of the teams doesn't know they are playing.
lol .. I like you way you put that ... very good.
Quote from: trileacman on May 15, 2017, 09:46:15 PM
I don't agree with this shite that only townies oppose hunting. I'm a country lad born and bred and I would have no time for this hunting shite. Pile of rich pricks doing untold harm to the countryside and wildlife.
Hmmm, have to disagree with you there .. I hunt every year from Oct to April and I can guarantee that 95% of those on horseback are definitely NOT rich pricks (myself included .. more's the pity :o ) ....
BTW, I dont agree with Fox hunting in this way either .. not that I have any great fondness for the fox .. its just I think its a fairly cruel way to meet your end .. i.e. being ripped apart... but it must be said that even the hunts that chase foxes rarely get them.
Its all drag hunts we are on .. no foxes ... Its the amazing horses & the incredible buzz of jumping over hedges & sh1t that I love ... nothing quite like it ..
Quote from: Syferus on May 16, 2017, 12:25:50 AM
I absolutely detest hunters who try to appropriate rural Ireland and try and make out that their niche interests are somehow an intrinsic part of the fabric of rural life that town folk just don't understand.
The fact no one in the hunting community will ever admit to is that they are probably disliked most of all in rural Ireland because the problems and harm they cause isn't philosophical but real, day-to-day issues that people in the countryside have to deal with directly. The amount of farmers I know whose fences have been destroyed on these organised hunts or whose cattle have been shot near because some idiot has seen a fox or a pheasant in the field over is unreal. So few of them have any respect for private land.
Vermin control, would ya ever cop on. That might sound good to the uneducated townies but anyone in the countryside knows you'll get a lot more done with some poison than dressing up like Jack Charlton and wandering around a hedgerow with a 300 euro peashooter.
The actual number of people I know who are hunters is incredibly low too, indeed most people don't even have a gun in their house and would never want one darkening their door in the first place.
I'd sooner go to a protest against hunting than I would one about water charges or any of that shite people waste their time with these days.
You shoudnt include drag hunts in your thinking though .. no foxes and they only go over land which has been pre-agreed with the farmers as its a set course....
Just wanted to point that out ;)
Oh and btw, as pointed out above .. Poison is probably every bit as cruel as anything else !!!
Quote from: The Iceman on May 16, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
I was part of a foot hound organization. We hunted hares. In the ten years I hunted I think we killed maybe 5? The purpose was the hunt, the chase. We didn't want to kill the hare or we'd have nothing to hunt the next week. Hares run in circles or rings, each one about 1-2 miles in distance around. You get to see what dogs have the speed, the scent, you get to watch the hare try to evade them - it was a real sport. We hated to run into a fox because they'll head straight out for miles and you end up losing dogs. In my time hunting with hounds we killed one fox.
We hunted rabbits with ferrets for the Greyhound men. They bought them off us alive to blood their dogs. I also went out with terrier and lurcher men and dug foxes or lamped at night time.
The horsey brigade are an entirely different group.
lmao .. WTF :o
Quote from: bennydorano on May 16, 2017, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
must say i didnt realise this craic was very popular round here. Do the tally ho crowd exist in Ireland?
My da would have done a bit of hunting/shooting when i was younger but i think it was mostly just ducks etc. Still know people who do this but dont know anyone who goes out hunting foxes.
Horse led hunts from Tynan and Moy around Christmas. Not sure how regular it is but there are 2 clubs a stones throw from Davitt Park.
Pretty sure these are "drag" hunts ...
The boxing day hunt from the Moy is definitely a drag hunt..
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 16, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 16, 2017, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
must say i didnt realise this craic was very popular round here. Do the tally ho crowd exist in Ireland?
My da would have done a bit of hunting/shooting when i was younger but i think it was mostly just ducks etc. Still know people who do this but dont know anyone who goes out hunting foxes.
Horse led hunts from Tynan and Moy around Christmas. Not sure how regular it is but there are 2 clubs a stones throw from Davitt Park.
Pretty sure these are "drag" hunts ...
The boxing day hunt from the Moy is definitely a drag hunt..
This still won't satisfy the do gooders, next it'll be what about the poor horse, it's inhumane , all uttered in a totally non anthromorphic way entirely.
Forgive me, but is a drag hunt just where the scent is dragged along a pre selected course and the hounds pick up that scent and follow it. I,e. Nothing is being hunted actually.
That seems like a perfect compromise. You still get to follow the hounds walking or on your horse, but there's no kill or petrified animal at the end of it.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 16, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
Forgive me, but is a drag hunt just where the scent is dragged along a pre selected course and the hounds pick up that scent and follow it. I,e. Nothing is being hunted actually.
That seems like a perfect compromise. You still get to follow the hounds walking or on your horse, but there's no kill or petrified animal at the end of it.
that's exactly what it is - and to my knowledge it isn't even anaimal scent they use its something strong the dogs are trained to chase.....
I don't get the petrified animal comment though AZ - was there never a fly chased around your house? or a mouse? is it all animals or just some?
Quote from: The Subbie on May 16, 2017, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 16, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 16, 2017, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
must say i didnt realise this craic was very popular round here. Do the tally ho crowd exist in Ireland?
My da would have done a bit of hunting/shooting when i was younger but i think it was mostly just ducks etc. Still know people who do this but dont know anyone who goes out hunting foxes.
Horse led hunts from Tynan and Moy around Christmas. Not sure how regular it is but there are 2 clubs a stones throw from Davitt Park.
Pretty sure these are "drag" hunts ...
The boxing day hunt from the Moy is definitely a drag hunt..
This still won't satisfy the do gooders, next it'll be what about the poor horse, it's inhumane , all uttered in a totally non anthromorphic way entirely.
I dont really know much about hunting. Never really did it, nothing against it within reason as long as it remains sport (ie some sorta skill and challenge) but wouldnt mind trying it out especially shootin fowl.
However what a great f**king word
its actually spelled anthropomorphic
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 17, 2017, 08:01:47 AM
its actually spelled anthropomorphic
It is , you are correct.
Phone typing plus fat fingers plus rushing to get off a train will do that !
Quote from: The Subbie on May 16, 2017, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: AhNowRef on May 16, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 16, 2017, 04:15:46 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2017, 03:19:36 PM
must say i didnt realise this craic was very popular round here. Do the tally ho crowd exist in Ireland?
My da would have done a bit of hunting/shooting when i was younger but i think it was mostly just ducks etc. Still know people who do this but dont know anyone who goes out hunting foxes.
Horse led hunts from Tynan and Moy around Christmas. Not sure how regular it is but there are 2 clubs a stones throw from Davitt Park.
Pretty sure these are "drag" hunts ...
The boxing day hunt from the Moy is definitely a drag hunt..
This still won't satisfy the do gooders, next it'll be what about the poor horse, it's inhumane , all uttered in a totally non anthromorphic way entirely.
You're 100% correct unfortunately ...
Ive been at hunts where stupid assholes in cars roll the window down and start declaring their undying love & sympathy for everyithig form the poor wee fox to the horses who are being beaten to do what they do ... FFS its infuriating !!
The silly feckers still dont get it when you point out that we dont hunt foxes (we actually run with bloodhounds not foxhounds) and the horses absolutely love it .. which they do !!
In England there are still lots & lots of anti-hunt sabs who still go out and harass totally legal "drag" hunts ... Those morons arent really interested in the poor wee fox at all .. its a perceived class thing with them ... "look at that fat posh twat on his horse" .... is their way of thinking .. they couldnt be more wrong in most cases (well, over here anyway).
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 16, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
Forgive me, but is a drag hunt just where the scent is dragged along a pre selected course and the hounds pick up that scent and follow it. I,e. Nothing is being hunted actually.
That seems like a perfect compromise. You still get to follow the hounds walking or on your horse, but there's no kill or petrified animal at the end of it.
Yep, thats it .. and its usually bloodhounds that follow this scent .. not foxhounds.
I recall once in the 7 years that Ive been drag hunting that the hounds have raised a fox .. they took one look at it and all fecked off the other way .. after the laid down scent ::)
Quote from: The Iceman on May 16, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 16, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
Forgive me, but is a drag hunt just where the scent is dragged along a pre selected course and the hounds pick up that scent and follow it. I,e. Nothing is being hunted actually.
That seems like a perfect compromise. You still get to follow the hounds walking or on your horse, but there's no kill or petrified animal at the end of it.
that's exactly what it is - and to my knowledge it isn't even anaimal scent they use its something strong the dogs are trained to chase.....
I don't get the petrified animal comment though AZ - was there never a fly chased around your house? or a mouse? is it all animals or just some?
Actually I open windows to let flies out, and believe it or not I captured a Mouse in a live trap, and drove it out the road to release it :) I'd say it was back before me :)
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 12:01:28 PM
Quote from: The Iceman on May 16, 2017, 11:44:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 16, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
Forgive me, but is a drag hunt just where the scent is dragged along a pre selected course and the hounds pick up that scent and follow it. I,e. Nothing is being hunted actually.
That seems like a perfect compromise. You still get to follow the hounds walking or on your horse, but there's no kill or petrified animal at the end of it.
that's exactly what it is - and to my knowledge it isn't even anaimal scent they use its something strong the dogs are trained to chase.....
I don't get the petrified animal comment though AZ - was there never a fly chased around your house? or a mouse? is it all animals or just some?
Actually I open windows to let flies out, and believe it or not I captured a Mouse in a live trap, and drove it out the road to release it :) I'd say it was back before me :)
Hello there Dalai Lama, how the hell are you :-) lol
I know. Soft as shite with Animals. And yet I fish (Catch and release, naturally :)) and I love a good steak. Contradictions, contradictions.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
I know. Soft as shite with Animals. And yet I fish (Catch and release, naturally :)) and I love a good steak. Contradictions, contradictions.
Nothing wrong with that ... Im quite partial to never killing spiders myself ... Think it may be a combination of being told when I was a kid that killing spiders was bad luck and the fact that I actually like the wee feckers as they dont seem to throw up or shite in your food, generally keep to themselves and kill flies & bugs .... Mind you I dont ever want to see one which looks like it could push a golf ball up a hill ???
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
I know. Soft as shite with Animals. And yet I fish (Catch and release, naturally :)) and I love a good steak. Contradictions, contradictions.
All part of life -appreciate and respect your honesty as always!
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
I know. Soft as shite with Animals. And yet I fish (Catch and release, naturally :)) and I love a good steak. Contradictions, contradictions.
Fishing should be banned. It's barbaric........ ::) ::) ::)
Hunting first. Fishermen less likely to blast a 12 gauge a few feet from a field of cattle.
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 11:31:48 PM
Hunting first. Fishermen less likely to blast a 12 gauge a few feet from a field of cattle.
And this has happened where?
Any links to verify this ?
In my experience the overwhelming majority of game hunters are very cognisant of their responsibilities to landowners and their stock.
Obviously not the Roscomunist ones though that probably mirrors all aspects of life.
A few years ago I was working in Devon and was staying in a pub in Dartmoor. I came into the pub after work and there was about 20 gentlemen sitting in the pub with their hunting gear on. Hats and socks with feathers in them. They all sounded very posh. After they left I asked the barman about them and he said that they all come down from London for the pheasant/grouse. Every bird that was shot cost them 200 quid and that they had shot 140 birds that day.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 17, 2017, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 12:09:57 PM
I know. Soft as shite with Animals. And yet I fish (Catch and release, naturally :)) and I love a good steak. Contradictions, contradictions.
Fishing should be banned. It's barbaric........ ::) ::) ::)
It ain't good for the fish, that's for sure.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 01:25:59 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 11:31:48 PM
Hunting first. Fishermen less likely to blast a 12 gauge a few feet from a field of cattle.
And this has happened where?
Any links to verify this ?
In my experience the overwhelming majority of game hunters are very cognisant of their responsibilities to landowners and their stock.
Obviously not the Roscomunist ones though that probably mirrors all aspects of life.
Have to say I've never really heard much about this either ...
What I do remember from years ago was that the Brits were always walking through fields and cutting wire etc.. It was fairly regular to have cows ripping the teats off themselves on the wire the soldiers left lying on the ground..
The landing of choppers in the middle of cows/cattle had some pretty unwanted consequences too .. cattle going half mad and breaking out & cows aborting calves etc...
Mind you, there were a lot of farmers who claimed for stuff that had bugger all to do with the Brits too ... every cloud eh !! ::)
Quote from: tc_manchester on May 18, 2017, 10:58:30 AM
A few years ago I was working in Devon and was staying in a pub in Dartmoor. I came into the pub after work and there was about 20 gentlemen sitting in the pub with their hunting gear on. Hats and socks with feathers in them. They all sounded very posh. After they left I asked the barman about them and he said that they all come down from London for the pheasant/grouse. Every bird that was shot cost them 200 quid and that they had shot 140 birds that day.
That's a different kettle of fish entirely, this is a driven shoot, its slaughter pure and simple and does not sit well with me & im speaking as someone that shoots.
Shooting round home means you might fire 5 or 6 shells in a days shooting and get maybe 2 pheasants if you are very lucky , these would be eaten.
The driven shoot boys will possibly let off 150 -200 shells in a day and unless they are brutal shots they will knock down 30 odd each, I don't see the fun in it to be honest , the phesants or whatever they are will most likely be sold onto a game dealer or else just buried, which is wrong.