The Offical Glasgow Celtic thread

[Angelo]

Here is what Rodgers said about Celtic when he left for Leicester.


"It wasn't just a get up and go. It probably seemed that because of the situation but the club was in a really good situation.
"We had won seven trophies in a row, we'd created a professional mindset within the squad and within the culture.
"The team were able to go and win the league by nine points and go on and win the next two cup competitions and achieve the 'Treble treble'.
"I was then given the opportunity to come to Leicester, which isn't as big a club as Celtic, of course, but the challenge and professional challenge of taking a club into the top six was going to be a huge challenge for us.
"And that is something at every club I have gone into I have always wanted."

This came in a season where Rodgers was not backed by the Celtic board, had a massive fallout with Lawwell over missing out on McGinn due to the biscuit tin mentality.

There is also the factor of his salary now, at Celtic Rodgers earned about £2m a year. He got a £5m a year contract at Leicester when he left and signed a new one last season that took him to £10m a year.

[JimStynes]

You're not understanding me. Celtic are much bigger than all those clubs with the exception of 2 or 3 in the EPL but they're nowhere near as attractive to play for. The best players want to play in the best leagues and against the best players. Celtic aren't in that bracket anymore and haven't been for a long time. The likes of Di Canio etc would all say Celtic were a bigger club but they still went to play for mid table EPL teams. Do you think it offered the same money the top players in the world would play for Celtic or Everton? I'd say the majority of them would pick Everton. If Celtic start competing in champions leagues and regularly start qualifying for the knockout stages then that's a different conversation. But that isn't the case. They can't even win  europa league game ffs.

[Angelo]

You're not understanding me. Celtic are much bigger than all those clubs with the exception of 2 or 3 in the EPL but they're nowhere near as attractive to play for. The best players want to play in the best leagues and against the best players. Celtic aren't in that bracket anymore and haven't been for a long time. The likes of Di Canio etc would all say Celtic were a bigger club but they still went to play for mid table EPL teams. Do you think it offered the same money the top players in the world would play for Celtic or Everton? I'd say the majority of them would pick Everton. If Celtic start competing in champions leagues and regularly start qualifying for the knockout stages then that's a different conversation. But that isn't the case. They can't even win  europa league game ffs.

For money. Nothing else. Money.

Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk etc were all very clear that they were leaving Celtic because of the biscuit tin mentality. Remember Van Hooijdonk's famous homeless comment about his Celtic contract?

[Milltown Row2]

You're not understanding me. Celtic are much bigger than all those clubs with the exception of 2 or 3 in the EPL but they're nowhere near as attractive to play for. The best players want to play in the best leagues and against the best players. Celtic aren't in that bracket anymore and haven't been for a long time. The likes of Di Canio etc would all say Celtic were a bigger club but they still went to play for mid table EPL teams. Do you think it offered the same money the top players in the world would play for Celtic or Everton? I'd say the majority of them would pick Everton. If Celtic start competing in champions leagues and regularly start qualifying for the knockout stages then that's a different conversation. But that isn't the case. They can't even win  europa league game ffs.

For money. Nothing else. Money.

Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk etc were all very clear that they were leaving Celtic because of the biscuit tin mentality. Remember Van Hooijdonk's famous homeless comment about his Celtic contract?

Do players play for free for Celtic?  Or an easy avenue into the Europa league?

[Angelo]

You're not understanding me. Celtic are much bigger than all those clubs with the exception of 2 or 3 in the EPL but they're nowhere near as attractive to play for. The best players want to play in the best leagues and against the best players. Celtic aren't in that bracket anymore and haven't been for a long time. The likes of Di Canio etc would all say Celtic were a bigger club but they still went to play for mid table EPL teams. Do you think it offered the same money the top players in the world would play for Celtic or Everton? I'd say the majority of them would pick Everton. If Celtic start competing in champions leagues and regularly start qualifying for the knockout stages then that's a different conversation. But that isn't the case. They can't even win  europa league game ffs.

For money. Nothing else. Money.

Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk etc were all very clear that they were leaving Celtic because of the biscuit tin mentality. Remember Van Hooijdonk's famous homeless comment about his Celtic contract?

Do players play for free for Celtic?  Or an easy avenue into the Europa league?

No they play for significantly less.

Stuart Armstrong is a good example. In and out of the Celtic team under Rodgers, left Celtic where he was earning £10k a week for Southampton where he got £50k a week.

Ryan Christie is currently on £8k a week, Ajer on £10k pw, Edouard on £20k pw. All these players are running their contracts down at present as they know they can get multiples of what Celtic will offer them in England. Celtic will not sign any player on upwards of £25k a week. All these players are highly likely to move to the EPL next year and sign contracts for well in excess of £50k a week.

It's the biscuit tin mentality of Lawwell and Celtic. Ajer and Edouard should have been signed up on big contracts last year and tied down for a few more years that would at the very least give Celtic some leverage when it came to selling them but time and time again Lawwell refused to pay them even close to what they could demand south of the border.

[JimStynes]

I don't want Celtic to be paying huge wages. They simply can't afford it and they shouldn't need to as they're financially stronger than all the clubs in Scotland. It's a dangerous game and one that put rangers out of business. Like in the EPL, if some of these billionaires get fed up with their toy football clubs then it'll leave the club fucked and with massive outgoings. Celtic needs out of that league ASAP.

[Angelo]

I don't want Celtic to be paying huge wages. They simply can't afford it and they shouldn't need to as they're financially stronger than all the clubs in Scotland. It's a dangerous game and one that put rangers out of business. Like in the EPL, if some of these billionaires get fed up with their toy football clubs then it'll leave the club fucked and with massive outgoings. Celtic needs out of that league ASAP.

Why can't we afford it?

We are going to lose Edouard, Ajer and Christe for an absolute fraction of their market value now because we had that biscuit tin mentality. We have a billionaire owner who hasn't put his hand in his pocket for close enough to 20 years. 10IAR has been scuppered with this mentality. We made great progress when we showed a bit of ambition by appointing Rodgers and scuppered all that with the biscuit tin mentality, lost Rodgers, lost CL football, lost 10IAR, big drop in revenues etc. We have no debt, 3 seasons of turning over profits on transfer dealings, 20m+ reserves sitting in the bank.

And you don't want us to pay our best players what they're worth? Do you want Celtic to continue in the same vein or do you want them to invest in their management, playing team and future and strive to grow on the European scene and improve domestically?

[JimStynes]

How much do you think Celtic should be paying players? Can we afford to be paying 7/8 players 100k+
That 20million in the bank won't be long disappearing.

[tonto1888]

You're not understanding me. Celtic are much bigger than all those clubs with the exception of 2 or 3 in the EPL but they're nowhere near as attractive to play for. The best players want to play in the best leagues and against the best players. Celtic aren't in that bracket anymore and haven't been for a long time. The likes of Di Canio etc would all say Celtic were a bigger club but they still went to play for mid table EPL teams. Do you think it offered the same money the top players in the world would play for Celtic or Everton? I'd say the majority of them would pick Everton. If Celtic start competing in champions leagues and regularly start qualifying for the knockout stages then that's a different conversation. But that isn't the case. They can't even win  europa league game ffs.

For money. Nothing else. Money.

Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk etc were all very clear that they were leaving Celtic because of the biscuit tin mentality. Remember Van Hooijdonk's famous homeless comment about his Celtic contract?

Yes. Showed him up for exactly what he was

[Angelo]

How much do you think Celtic should be paying players? Can we afford to be paying 7/8 players 100k+
That 20million in the bank won't be long disappearing.

Who mentioned paying them 100k a week.

We don't offer players anything over 25 a week. You think if Celtic offered Edouard, 65k a week he would turn it down? Offer Ajer 40k a week he would turn it down, offer Christie 30k a week he would turn it down.

We look to flip players at the first opportunity and that money sits in the clubs bank account or is taken out by the directors in the form of bonuses while we scrimp on the playing and management sqaud.

[tonto1888]

I don't want Celtic to be paying huge wages. They simply can't afford it and they shouldn't need to as they're financially stronger than all the clubs in Scotland. It's a dangerous game and one that put rangers out of business. Like in the EPL, if some of these billionaires get fed up with their toy football clubs then it'll leave the club fucked and with massive outgoings. Celtic needs out of that league ASAP.

Why can't we afford it?

We are going to lose Edouard, Ajer and Christe for an absolute fraction of their market value now because we had that biscuit tin mentality. We have a billionaire owner who hasn't put his hand in his pocket for close enough to 20 years. 10IAR has been scuppered with this mentality. We made great progress when we showed a bit of ambition by appointing Rodgers and scuppered all that with the biscuit tin mentality, lost Rodgers, lost CL football, lost 10IAR, big drop in revenues etc. We have no debt, 3 seasons of turning over profits on transfer dealings, 20m+ reserves sitting in the bank.

And you don't want us to pay our best players what they're worth? Do you want Celtic to continue in the same vein or do you want them to invest in their management, playing team and future and strive to grow on the European scene and improve domestically?

What exactly do you think their market value is

[Angelo]

You're not understanding me. Celtic are much bigger than all those clubs with the exception of 2 or 3 in the EPL but they're nowhere near as attractive to play for. The best players want to play in the best leagues and against the best players. Celtic aren't in that bracket anymore and haven't been for a long time. The likes of Di Canio etc would all say Celtic were a bigger club but they still went to play for mid table EPL teams. Do you think it offered the same money the top players in the world would play for Celtic or Everton? I'd say the majority of them would pick Everton. If Celtic start competing in champions leagues and regularly start qualifying for the knockout stages then that's a different conversation. But that isn't the case. They can't even win  europa league game ffs.

For money. Nothing else. Money.

Di Canio, Van Hooijdonk etc were all very clear that they were leaving Celtic because of the biscuit tin mentality. Remember Van Hooijdonk's famous homeless comment about his Celtic contract?

Yes. Showed him up for exactly what he was

Maybe so but Van Hooijdonk was an international class striker who was paid a pittance of what was the going rate for a player of his caliber. McCann fucked over both Van Hooijdonk and Di Canio when it came to what they were paid. Neither of them left Celtic because they felt Celtic weren't big enough, they left Celtic due to failures from McCann to honour promises and pay them the going rate for their abilities.

[Angelo]

I don't want Celtic to be paying huge wages. They simply can't afford it and they shouldn't need to as they're financially stronger than all the clubs in Scotland. It's a dangerous game and one that put rangers out of business. Like in the EPL, if some of these billionaires get fed up with their toy football clubs then it'll leave the club fucked and with massive outgoings. Celtic needs out of that league ASAP.

Why can't we afford it?

We are going to lose Edouard, Ajer and Christe for an absolute fraction of their market value now because we had that biscuit tin mentality. We have a billionaire owner who hasn't put his hand in his pocket for close enough to 20 years. 10IAR has been scuppered with this mentality. We made great progress when we showed a bit of ambition by appointing Rodgers and scuppered all that with the biscuit tin mentality, lost Rodgers, lost CL football, lost 10IAR, big drop in revenues etc. We have no debt, 3 seasons of turning over profits on transfer dealings, 20m+ reserves sitting in the bank.

And you don't want us to pay our best players what they're worth? Do you want Celtic to continue in the same vein or do you want them to invest in their management, playing team and future and strive to grow on the European scene and improve domestically?

What exactly do you think their market value is

I think Edouard is worth 65k a week. He's the best player in the league by a mile.
Ajer 40k a week.
Christie 30k pw.

The issue is why would they stay now when they have seen the lack of ambition, the disrespect from the club with low ball offers, an amateur manager who is not held to account when he fails?

[Milltown Row2]

Are we talking about a team that won 9 in a row, quadruple treble...

Lacking ambition? doesn't look like it

[tonto1888]

Of a team is willing to pay Christie 30k a week then they're mugs