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No, but as importantly, I won't label him a wife beater

And yet one of them will be true. Either she is a liar or he is a wife beater. When this all plays out you, me and everyone else will come down on one side or other.

He definitely could go a large way to clearing all your uncertainties up but coming out with his denial. He also has the option of defamation case against 3 individuals. He has a lot cards to play here.

It really is best to let it play out as it will. If RG did what is alleged, I doubt there's anyone here who would back him. But until he's charged with an offence, I'm keeping an open mind

So the lady who stepped forward and corroborated an allegation. If RG is not charged then you dismiss her as a liar?

[what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media]

The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.

The law

It won't stop someone doing it, and the legal process will be a lot slower than having your reputation destroyed, that will be pretty instant.

Case in point being that head case Egan in Cork. Lives destroyed, all bullshit and made up.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/pathological-liar-sonya-egan-jailed-26936490

The law as a deterrent doesn't 100% work for any offence.

But people putting their name to allegations and being backed up by others who expose themselves to the law cannot be brushed aside. It's far from trial by social media

The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.

But as long as her mad mates back her up on social media it's the truth though, well according to smelmoth 

Oh dear.

2 women have shown real bravery to step forward here. They are an acting in their own name and fully exposed to the law.

This is is a very strange take.

[what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media]

The RG trial by social media maybe isn't as clear cut. And it would appear there is some truth in these allegations. But what's to stop some head case of a woman making some total lies up about an ex and plastering it on social media. He's automatically guilty, even if it is complete lies. Life ruined.

The law

Bring back  the railway vline to Clones.  Now , that would make  an enjoyable Ulster final day. Nobody   would care about  the roads  or parking then

It could happen!

Would that be a cross border railway route? Who'd pay for that? Would there be much objections from the local farmers? 

The railway to clones would service Belfast and where else? Newry? most of ulster wouldn't benefit.

Clones had lines to Enniskillen, Cavan, Armagh/Portadown and Dundalk (for Monaghan and South Armagh folk).
The line from Dundalk remained open for goods after regular passenger services stopped. My Da was on a special to the 1958 or perhaps 1959 Ulster final which was the last passenger train to run.

How did he get home?

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/rory-gallagher-co-fermanagh-gaa-club-removes-retweets-appearing-to-support-ex-derry-boss/1717604286.html

I find the whole "trial by social media" complaints a little odd.

An individual put their name to the original allegation. They referenced incidents to which there are witnesses. A witness has put their name to a statement confirming one of the allegations.

This is not classic trial by social media.

Social media is one of the means by which RG could have refuted the allegations. Which to date he has not done. That is the biggest source of RG's problems. I don't see why I am supposed to have sympathy for RG because the original allegation of DV was on Facebook.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sport/gaa/derry/ciaran-meenagh-the-right-choice-to-take-reins-in-derry-insist-oak-leaf-stalwarts/17861075.html

Ciaran is very very highly regarded in Ballinascreen and throughout the county.
Even in his role at teaching in St Colms he is regarded as being the man with an ear for everyone,  and will not let any pupil down, in any matter.
He has my best wishes and hopes.


And I don't like them Tyrone wans.

Don't know what brand of football he goes in for but I do know that Ciaran is very highly regarded in his profession and in football. Best of luck to him

Your legal obligations are the bare minimum. Fail to meet them and you are in legal difficulty.

Most people strive to go a little beyond the legal minimum.

Community organisations even more so. Community organisations tend to aim to achieve more and to publicise the extra that they do. This attracts membership, volunteers, funding, sponsors and goodwill. You can't play that role and then stick to the legal minimum.

If Derry's view was that they are only going to do what they legally have to then they should at least be honest about it and make a statement and say that DV is bad and all that but they will only do something if they legally have to.

Armagh should have no bother here - will win with a good bit to spare. Other two matches will be a different challenge.

Good game for Armagh to get going again after their devastating defeat in the Ulster final. I hope they go for a more positive attitude after dragging Derry down into an arm wrestle at Clones. They have some really good attacking players and they should try to play to those strengths.

It needs to be way more subtle than that. Not saying WUMs aren't allowed but if you want to get some traction then you need to show a bit more guile than that. Poor effort.

[Imagine 2 counties you are not connected with playing that style of football in the AI final - Who would watch?]

I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.

Perfectly fine to want your county to win and to enjoy it when they do. Nothing wrong with not caring what other people think.

My only problem was people claiming that Derry are attacking and that people saying otherwise were lacking in understanding. Each of these are manifestly untrue.

Imagine 2 counties you are not connected with playing that style of football in the AI final - Who would watch?

I can enjoy watching Shane McGuigan drop the shoulder, change direction and curl the ball over the bar. I really don't have any interest in watching Niall Toner prove how fit and diligent he is. No harm to NT I just picked his name because I couldn't remember him going forward on Sunday. It seemed to me that every time he got the ball in play that he turned and soloed away from goal and looked for a risk free fist pass. That's just dull to watch. No risk. No spark. No excitement. Just playing percentages. He has his medal though and a big cup to drink from.

It's possible that in our own thirst for success that Armagh ruin the game in order to achieve success. A great part of this year's league looked that way. God help us if that ever happens.

2 counties racking up the guts of 3:34 between them in the showpiece and you'd consider not tuning in?

Firstly I don't know where your 3:34 comes from. Not saying that it is automatically wrong, I just don't know it's providence.

I don't necessarily attribute "high scoring" with "attacking" or "exciting". There are risk free ways of attacking. If they resultant efforts go over the bar in one match and wide in another I wouldn't automatically conclude that the first match was entertaining and the second not.

It a team attacks and moves the ball quickly, creating one on ones, and the defenders best the one on ones then I'm a happy punter.

I don't really care how other view Derry, we were playing Division 4, 4yrs ago and now got as many Ulster titles as:we had the previous, 30yrs. So it's carry on regardless, Derry people know there limits, No proper right sided free taker. No def man that convert 45's or long range frees. Need about 2 forwards, 1 back, plus better use of the bench. Derry underage got to 7 minor finals in 9yrs.If Meenagh stays or O'Rourke come on I think a no. Of players who dropped off the panel will be looked at it again. E Bradley and J Doherty strengthened the Panel, Brown may be bck from Australia, the guys of U-20 be a year older. Derry need find a few forwards, the Downeys moving to Antrim I don't think help their case county fball wise.

Perfectly fine to want your county to win and to enjoy it when they do. Nothing wrong with not caring what other people think.

My only problem was people claiming that Derry are attacking and that people saying otherwise were lacking in understanding. Each of these are manifestly untrue.

Imagine 2 counties you are not connected with playing that style of football in the AI final - Who would watch?

I can enjoy watching Shane McGuigan drop the shoulder, change direction and curl the ball over the bar. I really don't have any interest in watching Niall Toner prove how fit and diligent he is. No harm to NT I just picked his name because I couldn't remember him going forward on Sunday. It seemed to me that every time he got the ball in play that he turned and soloed away from goal and looked for a risk free fist pass. That's just dull to watch. No risk. No spark. No excitement. Just playing percentages. He has his medal though and a big cup to drink from.

It's possible that in our own thirst for success that Armagh ruin the game in order to achieve success. A great part of this year's league looked that way. God help us if that ever happens.

Would be really interested to see how many times they kicked the ball?
Especially kicks from defence? Kicks from turnovers? Onward kicks from short kick outs?

And then kicks into the inside forwards?

I'm sure someone has the stats but my guess is it would be one of the lowest in the country. It's a poor watch. Glass, Rodgers and McGuigan could play and excel in any team or system. Doherty excels in this system (and maybe he is better than I am giving him credit for?) and I suspect that McEvoy will blossom into a player who can excel in one on ones. There a lot of others in the team are there for their work rate that the system relies on. In terms of moments of real skill from those players they would be few enough. McKinless is teak tough and good at his job and I think I saw Cassidy on an off day.

nothing t o to do with Current Row but From a football POV I'm glad hes gone . his teams have played  in a very negative manner like McGuiness he was will to destroy the game for his own Glory. and like McGuiness it could be a long time before we would see him in another management role regardless.

People say this but they usually score more than the other team.

So how can that style be negative?

Half the teams in the country now use a similar approach.
Armagh did it at the weekend.
Galway have been doing it for 2 years.
Tyrone dabble with it.
But no, they're not negative. Only the RG or Jim McGuinness teams are negative for some reason.

For me, that's a lack of understanding of a style of play.
Derry defend as 15 and attack as 15. So if we are a defensive team because we defend 15 behind the ball, then by definition we are an attacking team pushing 15 up the pitch.

I think it's you that lacks in understanding.

A team that moves the ball forward quickly by kicking it forward to try to create one on ones is an attacking team. That same team could still end up with 15 behind the ball. They may not want to but the end up doing so because of what the opposition does.

If you are playing against a team that when it wins possession it plays the ball sideways, stands still, sideways again, backwards, sideways and then incrementally forward with the only forward movement being a no risk fist pass or a solo run then they are going to edge up so slowly with 14 or 15 men that you are going to get dragged back into a packed defence. That doesn't make you a defensive team and it certainly doesn't make the team with the 14/15 forward an attacking team.

A team that when possession is conceded automatically results in a concession of territory because they immediately track back with no attempt to win the ball back high is also a defensive team. Derry are not a good watch. Nor was McGuinness' Donegal. There are other teams that are poor to watch.

But the argument that because Derry have 14 or 15 forward on occasion they are an attacking team is frankly bollocks. They are the most defensive team on the go at the moment. Though Down look at them enviously.

The resignation takes a lot of the heat off Derry. The next match will a lot less complicated. No awkward post match questions.

It removes the time pressure. Don't have to answer questions about him remaining in situ.

Still have the retrospective questions to answer though.