Kerry v Throne AIQF - Saturday July 1st

[Wildweasel74]

Take, Canavan and, McCurry out of the team, what else have they, Tyrone been very poor this Yr, with only a hard fought game in Salthill, a man down, their only decent performance. It's still the same team that couldn't put Westmeath away 2 wks back.

[NotedObserver]

Take, Canavan and, McCurry out of the team, what else have they, Tyrone been very poor this Yr, with only a hard fought game on Salthill a man down their only decent performance. It's still the same team that couldn't put Westmeath away 2 wks back.

Morgan, Mattie Donnelly, Hampsey and McKernan have performed to a standard. Midfielders too have generally competed.

Having little scoring threat from half back and half forward line is criminal hence why r canavan had to be drafted in. Aaron Kernan picked out Michael Oneill in the first half following a run forward with a ball and how it wasn't simply upto standard. Gone are the driving runs of Harte McCann sludden and mcgeary with each of them able to kick their own score.

[Wildweasel74]

Donnelly and Harte are done, have slowed up too much.

[tonto1888]

Donnelly and Harte are done, have slowed up too much.

Donnelly looked done today. Which was actually sad to see

[seafoid]

Tyrone were in 5 semi finals since 2013. That team had a ceiling in the form of the Dublin 6 in a row team. In the normal course of events they might have been expected to win an all Ireland in 2016 or 2017. As it happened they were like a small farmer who got married very late in life. 2021 was towards the end of the life of the team. Dooher said at the time that you have to seize the moment. They will have to build a new team around the Canavans.

[clarshack]

Today showed what a nasty illness Long Covid is.

Hilarious. Marc O Se made a similar tasteless joke live on air after the match. Maybe it's not as funny to the Tyrone players who suffered from it in 2021. Or the millions around the world who died.

That was particularly hateful. The other pundits were embarrassed for him.

Kerry are bad losers but even worse winners. Marc O'Shea laughing and joking about covid was extremely poor from him.

[From the Bunker]

Tyrone were in 5 semi finals since 2013. That team had a ceiling in the form of the Dublin 6 in a row team. In the normal course of events they might have been expected to win an all Ireland in 2016 or 2017. As it happened they were like a small farmer who got married very late in life. 2021 was towards the end of the life of the team. Dooher said at the time that you have to seize the moment. They will have to build a new team around the Canavans.

That's a pretty good summary. A plethora jumped ship after the 2021 AI. They knew they had sneaked in and stole an AI and that there was not going to be any more rewards. They were also previously part of a Mickey Harte system, that did not look like to be fun to play especially for forwards. Mickey stayed too long and smothered the team with his system.

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

Today showed what a nasty illness Long Covid is.

Hilarious. Marc O Se made a similar tasteless joke live on air after the match. Maybe it's not as funny to the Tyrone players who suffered from it in 2021. Or the millions around the world who died.

That was particularly hateful. The other pundits were embarrassed for him.

Kerry are bad losers but even worse winners. Marc O'Shea laughing and joking about covid was extremely poor from him.

Bit like Tomas O Se's words in the Indo this week, real lack of class and just shows how much previous defeats to Tyrone got to those lads. You'd hope somebody would have a word with them, it's not a good look.

[tonto1888]

Today showed what a nasty illness Long Covid is.

Hilarious. Marc O Se made a similar tasteless joke live on air after the match. Maybe it's not as funny to the Tyrone players who suffered from it in 2021. Or the millions around the world who died.

That was particularly hateful. The other pundits were embarrassed for him.

Kerry are bad losers but even worse winners. Marc O'Shea laughing and joking about covid was extremely poor from him.

Bit like Tomas O Se's words in the Indo this week, real lack of class and just shows how much previous defeats to Tyrone got to those lads. You'd hope somebody would have a word with them, it's not a good look.

One thing was clear yesterday. Kerry hate Tyrone a lot more than tyrone even think about Kerry

[HokeyPokey]

I see the revisionism is in full flight.

Tyrone couldn't get over the all conquering Dublin, but I'd argue that the failure to compete was down to the limitations of Harte or rather the limitations of his approach. We had good players and forwards, but he wouldn't put the trust on them. McCurry is a prime example, he wouldn't have stayed on if Harte was there in 2021, but was one of the best in 2021. That said Tyrone offered something in 2019 with McShane and Donnelly inside and should have beat a young Kerry in that year's semi. There was something lacking which was a consistent theme.

The majority of the players who left after 2021 were all fringe players who had been around for years and were at the age where they didn't want to devote so much time. There were no starters who left. I think the pandemic encouraged many a player to consider their priorities. Tyrone don't allow players to play for the clubs while they are in the panel. Ronan O'Neill wrote well about his struggles during this time.

Mattie Donnelly has been putting in massive performances all season, so to say he's done is lazy. He just had a newborn this week which might be a reason he was so subdued and the same reason we might not see him again. He, like the whole of the Tyrone team, was outmatched yesterday. P. Harte does look to have slowed up and the lack of scoring power in the half backs will have to be addressed, but there's some good players like Niall Devlin who should come good in a year or two.

There's a good smattering of ages on the Tyrone squad and players available, so there's no excuse for a performance like yesterday. Most of the players should be at their peak. Whatever happens there needs to be a serious rethink.

[Keane]

Controversial opinion. Seanie Shea (as they like to call him) is hugely over rated (from open play). Tyrone will shut him down fairly easily. As for the other lad....where do ye even start!

Not at all controversial. He wouldn't get on the Tyrone team.

Yikes

[square_ball]

Tyrone were in 5 semi finals since 2013. That team had a ceiling in the form of the Dublin 6 in a row team. In the normal course of events they might have been expected to win an all Ireland in 2016 or 2017. As it happened they were like a small farmer who got married very late in life. 2021 was towards the end of the life of the team. Dooher said at the time that you have to seize the moment. They will have to build a new team around the Canavans.

That's a pretty good summary. A plethora jumped ship after the 2021 AI. They knew they had sneaked in and stole an AI and that there was not going to be any more rewards. They were also previously part of a Mickey Harte system, that did not look like to be fun to play especially for forwards. Mickey stayed too long and smothered the team with his system.

Christ of almighty. This shite again. Not only was it a lucky All Ireland but now they've sneaked in and stole one.

[AustinPowers]

Tyrone were in 5 semi finals since 2013. That team had a ceiling in the form of the Dublin 6 in a row team. In the normal course of events they might have been expected to win an all Ireland in 2016 or 2017. As it happened they were like a small farmer who got married very late in life. 2021 was towards the end of the life of the team. Dooher said at the time that you have to seize the moment. They will have to build a new team around the Canavans.

That's a pretty good summary. A plethora jumped ship after the 2021 AI. They knew they had sneaked in and stole an AI and that there was not going to be any more rewards. They were also previously part of a Mickey Harte system, that did not look like to be fun to play especially for forwards. Mickey stayed too long and smothered the team with his system.

Christ of almighty. This shite again. Not only was it a lucky All Ireland but now they've sneaked in and stole one.

Does this  mean Tyrone are  still only on 3  All Ireland  wins? 

[tonto1888]

Controversial opinion. Seanie Shea (as they like to call him) is hugely over rated (from open play). Tyrone will shut him down fairly easily. As for the other lad....where do ye even start!

Not at all controversial. He wouldn't get on the Tyrone team.

Yikes

They didn't age well

[seafoid]

I see the revisionism is in full flight.

Tyrone couldn't get over the all conquering Dublin, but I'd argue that the failure to compete was down to the limitations of Harte or rather the limitations of his approach. We had good players and forwards, but he wouldn't put the trust on them. McCurry is a prime example, he wouldn't have stayed on if Harte was there in 2021, but was one of the best in 2021. That said Tyrone offered something in 2019 with McShane and Donnelly inside and should have beat a young Kerry in that year's semi. There was something lacking which was a consistent theme.

The majority of the players who left after 2021 were all fringe players who had been around for years and were at the age where they didn't want to devote so much time. There were no starters who left. I think the pandemic encouraged many a player to consider their priorities. Tyrone don't allow players to play for the clubs while they are in the panel. Ronan O'Neill wrote well about his struggles during this time.

Mattie Donnelly has been putting in massive performances all season, so to say he's done is lazy. He just had a newborn this week which might be a reason he was so subdued and the same reason we might not see him again. He, like the whole of the Tyrone team, was outmatched yesterday. P. Harte does look to have slowed up and the lack of scoring power in the half backs will have to be addressed, but there's some good players like Niall Devlin who should come good in a year or two.

There's a good smattering of ages on the Tyrone squad and players available, so there's no excuse for a performance like yesterday. Most of the players should be at their peak. Whatever happens there needs to be a serious rethink.

If you take another rising team like Derry who are probably less talented than peak Tyrone- if they lost say 3 semi finals most players would probably walk away.
Tyrone had great resilience but the system didn't care about them as long as Dublin were magnificent. The team would have won more all Irelands but everything was stacked against them. Kerry came later so they still have energy.  In terms of where Tyrone are at are they look like Meath 2002 or 3.