Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 - Galway, Armagh, Derry, Westmeath

[Mario]

A second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?

It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.

Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! 

You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!

There is nowhere ... anywhere that anybody from Derry said we were gonna win Sam!!

Really? Was hype everywhere.. won the league and it totally took off
https://www.gaa.ie/article/mcgrogan-hopes-humble-derry-are-ready-to-bounce-back

Is there any chance the hype that built rapidly after their League success played a part in their provincial exit?

"Well, you'd be daft to say you don't hear the hype," says Derry defender Padraig McGrogan.

It's been a 5 year journey and they've continually improved every year culminating in back to back Ulsters and last year's semi final performance. The hype wasn't just from the league victory. This is their first dip but they can still recover from it.

[Truthsayer]

A second consecutive reality check for us. Not realistic contenders, especially with the current management.
Two stamping incidents this year with a Derry team coached by Gavin Devlin. Coincidence?
Harte's success with Louth vastly overstated; Baker took Antrim from div 4 to div 2 and to an ulster final. Would any Derryman want him at the helm?

It's not current management, it was the injury list and playing 3/4 game with 14 men. Complete half back line gone, Loughlin, and McKindless off, couple of men ill during the week, and McGuigan's shot goes in with 7 to go it's a level game. That's to be applauded. Full compliment and we're absolutely contenders.

Tyrone men have so little to chat about these days a Derry loss is their victory! 

You better believe it! This team was going to win Sam! Time to show its not all big talk!

There is nowhere ... anywhere that anybody from Derry said we were gonna win Sam!!

Really? Was hype everywhere.. won the league and it totally took off
https://www.gaa.ie/article/mcgrogan-hopes-humble-derry-are-ready-to-bounce-back

Is there any chance the hype that built rapidly after their League success played a part in their provincial exit?

"Well, you'd be daft to say you don't hear the hype," says Derry defender Padraig McGrogan.

It's been a 5 year journey and they've continually improved every year culminating in back to back Ulsters and last year's semi final performance. The hype wasn't just from the league victory. This is their first dip but they can still recover from it.

Second dip... #Jimmy

[Manning18]

Thought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as  blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it

Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.

I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!

Are you serious? It took him out of the game. He hobbled around for 10 mins, took a painkilling injection at half time and went off because he couldn't move soon after. It might've derailed his season

Scandalous comments from Harte really

Too many people are taking the red card as if it's an isolated result. "changed the game", or "Derry performed well with 14"

It took Galway's best player out of the game. If you offered Joyce the option of keeping Comer fit and in the game and leaving Derry with 15 players I'm fairly sure he'd have taken it

[lenny]

Not the first time a Derry player has done this. I recall that Rodgers stamped on someone recently too, no call for it. Trampish stuff.

True, the discipline has slipped badly this year under the tyrone management. Mckinless let his team down today, very disappointing. Genuinely hope Comer recovers from the ankle injury and it doesn't impact on his involvement for the rest of the season.

[marty34]

Silly, but not unexpected behaviour from Mc Kinless.  Let his team mates down badly. Derry needed to start the game well and stay in the game but in reality, the game was over with the deserved red card.

Previous to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.

No Derry goals today and never really created any good chances. Derry scored goals for fun during league. That threat seems, for whatever reason, to be gone currently. 

Since the league final, Derry's momentum has tailed away significantly. After the long break, I'd expect them to be bursting the doors down to rectify the Donegal performance but I'd be really disappointed.  They looked very average and disjointed.

Obviously a few players were injured but lack of championship experience on the bench was telling. The panel must be very light. 

Why were so many let go and why were U20's brought in?

[Wildweasel74]

When's the last time, a team 14 men actually won a game? Derry have had a issue from 2 weeks before the Donegal game, then injuries, and men leaving make it worse. On that game I be worried Armagh turn them over fairly easy.

[AustinPowers]

Thought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as  blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it

Didn't Gavin  Devlin get 3 months for similar  back in the day?

[RedHand88]

Not the first time a Derry player has done this. I recall that Rodgers stamped on someone recently too, no call for it. Trampish stuff.

True, the discipline has slipped badly this year under the tyrone management. Mckinless let his team down today, very disappointing. Genuinely hope Comer recovers from the ankle injury and it doesn't impact on his involvement for the rest of the season.

"The Tyrone management"!!

Boys a dear they really are turning on them up there.

[screenexile]

Silly, but not unexpected behaviour from Mc Kinless.  Let his team mates down badly. Derry needed to start the game well and stay in the game but in reality, the game was over with the deserved red card.

Previous to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.

No Derry goals today and never really created any good chances. Derry scored goals for fun during league. That threat seems, for whatever reason, to be gone currently. 

Since the league final, Derry's momentum has tailed away significantly. After the long break, I'd expect them to be bursting the doors down to rectify the Donegal performance but I'd be really disappointed.  They looked very average and disjointed.

Obviously a few players were injured but lack of championship experience on the bench was telling. The panel must be very light. 

Why were so many let go and why were U20's brought in?

A few lads wanted to play football so went back to their clubs and you can't really blame them!

[Blowitupref]

Thought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as  blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it

Didn't Gavin  Devlin get 3 months for similar  back in the day?

Don't know about back in the day by according to the rules it looks like a two game ban the max McKinless will get.

[Manning18]

Thought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as  blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it

Didn't Gavin  Devlin get 3 months for similar  back in the day?

Don't know about back in the day by according to the rules it looks like a two game ban the max McKinless will get.

Two's probably lenient but in line with rule books

After the league game in 22 there was a lot of local chatter that he had eye gouged Sean Kelly. Paul Conroy accidentally broke a Derry players jaw in the same game so everyone felt the need to move on and nothing more was made of it.

Mckinless went on to play brilliantly in 2023, especially against Kerry in the semi final when I and I assume most people were shouting for him

Absolutely disgusting incidents like today make me think it's infinitely more likely that those multiple reports of eye gouging were genuine

[onefineday]

Silly, but not unexpected behaviour from Mc Kinless.  Let his team mates down badly. Derry needed to start the game well and stay in the game but in reality, the game was over with the deserved red card.

Previous to that, Derry's shooting was brutal. How many did they kick into the keeper's hands? It's shocking at that level. Do they not do shooting at training? - doesn't look like it from today's show.

No Derry goals today and never really created any good chances. Derry scored goals for fun during league. That threat seems, for whatever reason, to be gone currently. 

Since the league final, Derry's momentum has tailed away significantly. After the long break, I'd expect them to be bursting the doors down to rectify the Donegal performance but I'd be really disappointed.  They looked very average and disjointed.

Obviously a few players were injured but lack of championship experience on the bench was telling. The panel must be very light. 

Why were so many let go and why were U20's brought in?

The whole performance reminded me of what we had to endure from about 2012 until 2018. No pace, no dynamism, no invention.

The result was no surprise, the stories floating around of injuries and players leaving the panel pointed to a dilution of the bond these lads seem to have had since Gallagher took over - probably forged over the multiple maniacal sessions he put them through. Discipline was shocking today, is this indicative of discontent on the camp? Someone mentioned the training camp in the sun, was that the catalyst for some of this, was there a limit on numbers who could travel or something of that nature?

The lack of goal threat the last 2 games has been particularly notable, Derry has been built on goals for the last 3 years, the oxygen goals and chances have given the team has spurred them on, built confidence and kept their high octane football mostly on the front foot.

This performance was just insipid, uninspiring, the game was poor quality and not much of a spectacle, Galway weren't great and are still a long way off their potential peak, Walsh was barely in the game (once again), Comer hadn't done much prior to the disgraceful stamping incident, Kelly also a long way off what he's capable of.

Harte's post match interview was laughable, good performance, heartened by the efforts, theatrics, didn't see it etc....
He'd have been better off refusing to talk to them rather than spew that drivel.
All is not lost, we need the team leaders to take control and set examples, mckaigue, Rodgers, Glass, McGuigan et al, they're bound to be hurting. If we can get McEvoy and Doherty back then maybe we can recapture something for Armagh's visit and get a performance more reminiscent of what we've been accustomed to for the last couple of years. Score difference may well make winning the group a big ask from here, but we can still finish second and salvage some championship pride from the season.

[onefineday]

Thought Hartes comments after the game were a disgrace. Said he didn't see mckinless incident , but then proceeded to accuse Comer of making a meal of it and theatrics.
It was as  blatant a red card as seen at a game & it more or less ended Comers involvement in the game. McKinless deserves a lengthy ban for it

Comer 100% made a meal of the initial free obviously not of the stamp.

I didn't see the stamp at first and I'm sure Harte hadn't seen footage by the time he was interviewed either!

Are you serious? It took him out of the game. He hobbled around for 10 mins, took a painkilling injection at half time and went off because he couldn't move soon after. It might've derailed his season

Scandalous comments from Harte really

Too many people are taking the red card as if it's an isolated result. "changed the game", or "Derry performed well with 14"

It took Galway's best player out of the game. If you offered Joyce the option of keeping Comer fit and in the game and leaving Derry with 15 players I'm fairly sure he'd have taken it

On the stamp, absolutely disgraceful and can't be condoned, but just curious if that was comer's injury that has limited him most of the year until now? In other words, was it a targeting of a known injury like the incident with Sean Kelly v Mayo last year?