DUBLIN V REST OF IRELAND

Started by irish345, August 12, 2018, 06:29:33 AM

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irish345

Dublin v Rest of Ireland in hypothetical match up who wins maybe a best of 5 series who comes out on top

tippabu

dublin would win some, the rest of ireland would win some......player for player on their day each dublin player would be near enough as good as anyone in their position. Is there any dublin player who wouldnt make the starting 15 of any other team at the moment?

I imagine this thread will quickly turn into naming the rest of ireland teams and argueing over who should and shouldnt be on it

RedHand88

Quote from: tippabu on August 12, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
dublin would win some, the rest of ireland would win some......player for player on their day each dublin player would be near enough as good as anyone in their position. Is there any dublin player who wouldnt make the starting 15 of any other team at the moment?

I imagine this thread will quickly turn into naming the rest of ireland teams and argueing over who should and shouldnt be on it

Cluxton.

sid waddell

Quote from: tippabu on August 12, 2018, 09:08:08 AM
dublin would win some, the rest of ireland would win some......player for player on their day each dublin player would be near enough as good as anyone in their position. Is there any dublin player who wouldnt make the starting 15 of any other team at the moment?

I imagine this thread will quickly turn into naming the rest of ireland teams and argueing over who should and shouldnt be on it
A rest of Ireland team would be comfortably stronger on paper than Dublin.

How many Dublin players are the best in their position in Ireland?

I'd say five.

Cluxton
Cooper
McCarthy
McCaffrey
Fenton

None of the current Dublin forwards would make a best in Ireland team.




mrdeeds


Blowitupref

Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.

And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Mayo4Sam14

Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.

And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.
You can forget about Sean Cavanagh as far as he's a man!

Dinny Breen

Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 04:21:45 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on August 12, 2018, 04:11:10 PM
Beggan is better than Cluxton.

And Con O'Callaghan,Paul Mannion,Ciaran Kilkenny are Dublin forwards that would make the best team in Ireland.

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Lar Naparka

You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now
Nil Carborundum Illegitemi

Jinxy

Dublin have so many good forwards that their individual contribution is diluted somewhat, but their ability shouldn't be underestimated.
They are programmed to put the team first so they don't worry about their personal scoring tallies.
Mannion, in particular, is absolutely top class.
Power, pace, kicks well with both feet.
If he was playing in a weaker team where he was the go to man 80% of the time, his quality would probably be even more evident.
If you were any use you'd be playing.

imtommygunn

I would agree about mannion. I thought gavin nearly lost dublin the ai last year with terrible team selection for the final and but for mannion kerping them in it first half they would have been in a bad place.

Reading this thread dean rock hugely underrated too. Would probably make any team unless maybe kerry but probably would make their team too. Just.

Blowitupref

Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Dublin have so many good forwards that their individual contribution is diluted somewhat, but their ability shouldn't be underestimated.
They are programmed to put the team first so they don't worry about their personal scoring tallies.
Mannion, in particular, is absolutely top class.
Power, pace, kicks well with both feet.
If he was playing in a weaker team where he was the go to man 80% of the time, his quality would probably be even more evident.

Good post and Mannion yesterday gave arguably Galway's best defender this year a bit of runaround.
Is the ref going to finally blow his whistle?... No, he's going to blow his nose

Gold

Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2018, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2018, 09:56:09 PM
Dublin have so many good forwards that their individual contribution is diluted somewhat, but their ability shouldn't be underestimated.
They are programmed to put the team first so they don't worry about their personal scoring tallies.
Mannion, in particular, is absolutely top class.
Power, pace, kicks well with both feet.
If he was playing in a weaker team where he was the go to man 80% of the time, his quality would probably be even more evident.

Good post and Mannion yesterday gave arguably Galway's best defender this year a bit of runaround.

Totally agree about Mannion. Top class...searing pace....if he played for any other County his ability would stand out alot more. He is lethal.
"Cheeky Charlie McKenna..."

Beffs

Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 12, 2018, 09:48:39 PM
You could certainly come up with a team, on paper anyway, where every player would be in the view of the majority better or at least as good as his Dublin counterpart.
The odds would still be on the Dubs to win and win well because of their greater teamwork and their unrivalled preparation, physical and psychological, over any knocked together side you'd care to mention.
I mean Michael Murphy and Paul Geaney would make any team in the land but getting them, Ciaran McManus, Lee Keegan and everyone you'd probably consider together for training sessions would be a logistical nightmare.
Y'see, to properly appreciate the effect the present Dublin team has on the GAA as a whole, you'd need to consider what it would take to build another county side that would equal or at least approximate the Dubs in every facet of the game – clone of Dublin.
You would need to begin by merging some counties for starters.
If you started with the least heavily populated Leitrim (31,972 ) and worked your way up to Wicklow, (142,425) merging the populations as you go, you'd get a total almost identical to that of County Dublin. (All courtesy of CSO, 2016 via Wikipedia.)
That's a total of 16 present counties, all rolled into one!
So the equivalent of 15 county boards and 15 senior intercounty panels go by the board, to begin with.
How many players get to play for their counties at senior level in the course of a year? If all types of games are included, I'd say a (very) conservative estimate would be 40 per county.
So if all 16 merged, 40x15 or 600 players would be denied the chance to play intercounty football every year. That would only be the beginning. Where you now have 16 senior clubs championships, you'd only have one. Assloads of senior clubs would have to amalgamate, go out of existence or downgrade.
Imagine the domino effect on clubs of lesser status!
You'd have far bigger, richer and better organised clubs but only a fraction of the number we have at present and given that they'd have to draw their memberships from a wide area so intimate contact with small local communities would be severed.
If if you somehow managed to effect this super merger and all the consequent changes, you'd still face one huge disadvantage- those counties are spread throughout the country while all of Dublin's population and resources, (40% of the republic's total according to Simon Coveney earlier this year) are concentrated in the third smallest county in the country.
So, all in all, any side capable of going toe to toe with Dublin doesn't exist right now

So how come Dublin only won 1 All Ireland in the nearly 30 years between the last one of the Heffo era in '83 & Gilroys in 2011? That is 1 paltry All Ireland in nearly three decades. All your CSO stats about population were as true then, as they are now. Explain that one then..

Gold

Saw in yesterdays programme that Jack Jones Clothing now sponser Dublin. Jesus.

On way out of ground saw Billboard of Ciaran Kilkenny sponsered by Sure and Bernard by King Crisps

Different world
"Cheeky Charlie McKenna..."