NFL Division 1 2024

[From the Bunker]

Tyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.

No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards.  Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers

Their luck was in, they beat Donegal in an Ulster Final that should never have been played because of underfoot conditions. They also had a bit of luck in the AI with Cork's Tony Davis being sent of for nudging a player in the back.

They were still a handy outfit.

[imtommygunn]

Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.

Even in those good years I think mayo could have taken Dublin once or twice but only in a semi final.

Davis only got sent off be because cahalane didn't. Cork were never beating Derry that year.

[inroundthesquare]

Tyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble

It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.

As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.

It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!

People weren't saying this at the time. They had beaten a Mayo team by 5 points that knocked out 6 in a row Dublin, Kerry, Monaghan, Donegal and Ulster Champions Cavan to win that All Ireland. It was only after Tyrone performed badly in 2022 and moreso in 2023 that pundits began the revisionist history.

[Manning18]

Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.

That game was so odd. After a decade of some very good displays against Dublin and mostly losing narrowly, that was probably their worst display yet it was good enough to get over the line. That was a terrible semi final of very low quality, not helped by some poor conditions. Dublin were a beaten docket that year waiting to be put out of their misery, as was hinted at in Leinster

It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss

[From the Bunker]

Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.

That game was so odd. After a decade of some very good displays against Dublin and mostly losing narrowly, that was probably their worst display yet it was good enough to get over the line. That was a terrible semi final of very low quality, not helped by some poor conditions. Dublin were a beaten docket that year waiting to be put out of their misery, as was hinted at in Leinster

It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss

Referee gave Mayo a few disputable decisions toward the end of normal time. Decisions the Dubs normally get at home.

[Truthsayer]

Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.

That game was so odd. After a decade of some very good displays against Dublin and mostly losing narrowly, that was probably their worst display yet it was good enough to get over the line. That was a terrible semi final of very low quality, not helped by some poor conditions. Dublin were a beaten docket that year waiting to be put out of their misery, as was hinted at in Leinster

It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss

That's why they sent for Paddy Tally.. sorted out their defence.

[seafoid]

Tyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble

It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.

As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.

It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the League in February

[Truthsayer]

Tyrone went downhill badly from their All-Ireland win, hard to nail what's wrong, or why they fell away.If they haven't Morgan or Canavan available they be in serious trouble

It;s quite easy - there was a plethora of lads who retired or dropped out after the AI win. They had put in years a drudgery under Harte, got to the promised land under Dooher. They knew they were not at the beginning of something big but at the end and counted their blessings to have got an AI at the end of it all.

As much as they don't want to hear it you can see that they were an average team who took advantage of all the breaks they got that year.

It was said at the time on numerous occasions and rebutted but the past few years have clearly showed it!

Weren't that far away. Had been to an All Ireland final three years earlier. Got in a management that let them kick the ball long and take a few risks... the rest as they say was... Sam!

[seafoid]

Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.

Even in those good years I think mayo could have taken Dublin once or twice but only in a semi final.

Davis only got sent off be because cahalane didn't. Cork were never beating Derry that year.

Cork destroyed Mayo in the semi final. Derry had a real match against the Dubs. They were 5 points down at half time and won by a point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6zqPAQeF4E

[JoG2]

Tyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.

No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards.  Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers

I know, imagine giving out All Stars to them.. Sometimes it's better to keep quiet than remove any doubt

On Tyrone, best team that year, All Ireland Champions to prove it.. Another wee red star on the sleeve of their jersey

[Captain Obvious]

Tyrone 2021 was the worst All-Ireland winning team since Dublin in 1995. Dublin wouldn't reach another final after that until 2011.

No, I think Derry in 93 were the worst all ireland winning team considering they had basically no real forwards.  Excellent defence and midfield and some good free takers

Disagree Derry was decent team better than Dublin in 1995.

[seafoid]

The Dub all Ireland in 1995 was a sympathy f**k after losing to  Donegal, Derry and Down in the previous 3 years. For a while it looked like Charlie Redmond would never win Sam.

[mouview]

Ah jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.

Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.

They were imo. Not lucky with decisions, but lucky that they squeezed it out before that squad started to fade. In a normal year, I'd have tipped Dublin to win it. That's no slight on that Tyrone team, quite the opposite. There's been many a county who would have been at a similar level to that Tyrone team and not got an AI. Take your dinner when it's hot.

Exactly. There was a vacuum there in the sense that Mayo surprised Dublin and Kerry weren't as good as they thought; Tyrone rushed in to fill the vacuum. But their win was the 'Leicester City' of this century.

[seafoid]

Ah jaysus lads stop with the Covid All Ireland shite. Tyrone won it fair and square that year. Beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo is worthy of winning any AI any year.

Tyrone may be very average now but give over about being lucky to win an all Ireland ffs.

They were imo. Not lucky with decisions, but lucky that they squeezed it out before that squad started to fade. In a normal year, I'd have tipped Dublin to win it. That's no slight on that Tyrone team, quite the opposite. There's been many a county who would have been at a similar level to that Tyrone team and not got an AI. Take your dinner when it's hot.

Exactly. There was a vacuum there in the sense that Mayo surprised Dublin and Kerry weren't as good as they thought; Tyrone rushed in to fill the vacuum. But their win was the 'Leicester City' of this century.

Tyrone had done the hard yards and lost the final in 2018. They would have won earlier if the Dubs had been a normal team. So would Kerry. Leicester came out of nowhere. Tyrone did not. They had one chance and they took it. Maybe they were lucky to play Mayo in the final but you beat whoever is in front of you.

[Lamh Dhearg Alba]

Dublin were actually still probably the best team that year, but Mayo caught them on the hop, after years of been beat by them,then couldn't produce the same display after.

It's Kerry that should've won that all Ireland on the bridle. They left about 2-6 worth of easy scores behind against Tyrone and conceded 3 goals in an extra time loss

Nonsense. Tyrone were down to 14 for 20 minutes and visibly tired in the second half of extra time, allowing Kerry to get back within a point. People have an awful habit of overrating Kerry teams because of the name. It was a decent Kerry team but not a great one. The better team won that day.

Ultimately Tyrone had been knocking at the door for a few years but Dublin were well ahead and we were also hamstrung by an overly cautious approach. In 2021 they had a license to open up more, the Dubs had gone back a few levels, Mayo weren't the team who had pushed them so close, and Kerry were overrated. Tyrone were the best team.

In truth there was more in that team. McShane wasn't fully fit, Darragh was still very young and we hadn't quite worked out how best to employ McKenna. There were more gears. But they rightfully celebrated an unexpected AI and between that and sated ambitions, then injuries, retirals (and McKenna heading off), they never again got back on course before the team started to break up. And there's no crime in that.