The Many Faces of US Politics...

[sid waddell]

Here's a thought on Florida, Florida voted for trump in the last election so by your thinking it's a red neck state and you and Sid hope lots of people die there .  Florida should be commended on keeping its elderly population so safe and moving the state to reopening.

Wow. You're waaaay down the rabbit hole, aren't you?

I've noticed this as a fairly widely used actual talking point from Trump cultists during this crisis.

The logic of the cultists is that if you object in any way to calling the virus a hoax, saying it will go away like a miracle, shameful abdication of responsibility on testing, falsifying figures, opening up the economy in places where cases are rising, and the general shitshow of appalling governance from Trump and his cronies, you want people to die.

It's the same logic that says if you want a rapist to be punished, "you hope the victim was raped". Which I've also heard used as a talking point by right wing nutcases.

Like, you can't argue with that "logic", because it's f**king insane. You really do genuinely believe this shit, don't you?

The thing is, from the evidence we've seen with our own two eyes, it's very possible that Trump genuinely does want a hell of a lot of people to die - the evidence of his entire life proves that he loves inflicting pain on other people, and his regime is full of end times cultists.

[sid waddell]

"All a lie", because money. Pretty much sums up the entirety of the far right Republican party and right-wing politics in America now. Anti-abortion groups, especially American anti-abortion groups, are some of the most dishonest people on the face of the planet.

The woman behind 'Roe vs. Wade' didn't change her mind on abortion. She was paid

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2020-05-19/roe-v-wade-jane-roe-norma-mccorvey-hulu-doc-abortion

By MEREDITH BLAKE
MAY 19, 20209 AM
When Norma McCorvey, the anonymous plaintiff in the landmark Roe vs. Wade case, came out against abortion in 1995, it stunned the world and represented a huge symbolic victory for abortion opponents: "Jane Roe" had gone to the other side. For the remainder of her life, McCorvey worked to overturn the law that bore her name.

But it was all a lie, McCorvey says in a documentary filmed in the months before her death in 2017, claiming she only did it because she was paid by antiabortion groups including Operation Rescue.

"I was the big fish. I think it was a mutual thing. I took their money and they'd put me out in front of the cameras and tell me what to say. That's what I'd say," she says in "AKA Jane Roe," which premieres Friday on FX. "It was all an act. I did it well too. I am a good actress."

In what she describes as a "deathbed confession," a visibly ailing McCorvey restates her support for reproductive rights in colorful terms: "If a young woman wants to have an abortion, that's no skin off my ass. That's why they call it choice."

[sid waddell]

One of the great cliches trotted out by people about US elections is "it's the economy, stupid". And it is stupid.

A few months ago the great and the good were telling us that Trump winning the election would depend on the economy.

But with Trump, it's never, ever been about the economy. It's about being a white supremacist cult - which is why his support will not collapse in the biggest economic collapse America has ever seen.

Coronavirus latest: US economy expected to shrink 38% on year in Q2
Congressional Budget Office projection is in line with its April forecast for a 40% annual contraction and a quarter on quarter decline of 12%


https://www.ft.com/content/0a25eeef-ba0d-37a6-948f-a68bc41db249

[whitey]

One of the great cliches trotted out by people about US elections is "it's the economy, stupid". And it is stupid.

A few months ago the great and the good were telling us that Trump winning the election would depend on the economy.

But with Trump, it's never, ever been about the economy. It's about being a white supremacist cult - which is why his support will not collapse in the biggest economic collapse America has ever seen.

Coronavirus latest: US economy expected to shrink 38% on year in Q2
Congressional Budget Office projection is in line with its April forecast for a 40% annual contraction and a quarter on quarter decline of 12%


https://www.ft.com/content/0a25eeef-ba0d-37a6-948f-a68bc41db249

Sid....are you one of those bucks who's gone mad on the sauce since you're stuck indoors?

Because, if you believe even half of what you're posting up here, you need serious psychological help

[sid waddell]

https://twitter.com/JuddLegum/status/1263090240329261056

In the middle of a pandemic, Trump's campaign manager is touting the research of a fringe medical group that has suggested HIV does not cause AIDS, nicotine isn't addictive, and Obama won the presidency by hypnotizing Jews

https://popular.info/p/rise-of-the-quacks

Who can argue with the conclusions of the Association of American Physicians & Surgeons (AAPS)? Well, despite the official-sounding name, the AAPS is a fringe group that frequently pushes scientifically-discredited views in pursuit of an ideological agenda. It has pushed dangerous misinformation about AIDS, abortion, and vaccines, among other issues. Its data on hydroxychloroquine is complete bunk.

Out of roughly a million doctors in the United States, about 2500 are dues-paying members of the AAPS. The American Medical Association has more than 228,000 members.

[sid waddell]

Trump says it's "a badge of honour" that the US has so many cases of Covid and so many deaths.

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1262863684126326792

Laurence Tribe
@tribelaw

This is like calling a trail of corpses a badge of honor for the police department that let the serial murderer run free for months before shutting him down. Trump is a ghoul and an idiot.

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https://thebulwark.com/45751-2/

Well as we can clearly see Obama is satan incarnate and should be locked up for ... oh nothing he did absolutely nothing!!!

[Captain Obvious]

Trump says it's "a badge of honour" that the US has so many cases of Covid and so many deaths.

https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1262863684126326792

Laurence Tribe
@tribelaw

This is like calling a trail of corpses a badge of honor for the police department that let the serial murderer run free for months before shutting him down. Trump is a ghoul and an idiot.

America is still under 40,000 tests per million imagine the number of cases once they increase testing.

[J70]

https://thebulwark.com/45751-2/

Well as we can clearly see Obama is satan incarnate and should be locked up for ... oh nothing he did absolutely nothing!!!

LOL.

That's an interesting site, The Bulwark. Wasn't aware of it.

I've heard Charlie Sykes quite a bit on WNYC (NYC NPR station), and he seems a very sane and sensible conservative commentator overall in a world where most of them, in the US at least, are out of their f**king gourds.

[J70]

Another article from that website, this time on how several of Trump's actions from just this past weekend would have been administration-consuming/defining scandals for any previous president, yet hardly warranted a yawn from the supposed lamestream media that is out to get him.

https://thebulwark.com/the-biggest-scandal-of-trumps-presidency-is-hiding-in-plain-sight/

[omochain]

Lionel Hutz's definition of "the truth  " and "the truth  " comes to mind.

If you don't subscribe to the latter, ie. lies, you're an enemy as far as the Republicans are concerned.

https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1262721011281268738

Rebekah Jones, who is credited with creating the Florida Department of Health data portal, told CBS12 News she was removed because she refused to censor data and "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

What do you expect from the state that tried to deal with Climate Change by banning all mention of the phenomenon?

Florida has 2k deaths with a huge elderly population that's too good for a lot of people's liking
Why don't you comment on the complete mess New York is with Cuomo at the helm sending positive elders back to nursing homes to their deaths after a positive test.

Because we're not talking about New York. We're talking about Florida.

Here's a thought on Florida, Florida voted for trump in the last election so by your thinking it's a red neck state and you and Sid hope lots of people die there .  Florida should be commended on keeping its elderly population so safe and moving the state to reopening.

It's called selective outrage

For once whitey .. something you actually know a lot about... "selective outrage"

[Gmac]

Lionel Hutz's definition of "the truth  " and "the truth  " comes to mind.

If you don't subscribe to the latter, ie. lies, you're an enemy as far as the Republicans are concerned.

https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/1262721011281268738

Rebekah Jones, who is credited with creating the Florida Department of Health data portal, told CBS12 News she was removed because she refused to censor data and "manually change data to drum up support for the plan to reopen."

What do you expect from the state that tried to deal with Climate Change by banning all mention of the phenomenon?

Florida has 2k deaths with a huge elderly population that's too good for a lot of people's liking
Why don't you comment on the complete mess New York is with Cuomo at the helm sending positive elders back to nursing homes to their deaths after a positive test.

Because we're not talking about New York. We're talking about Florida.

Here's a thought on Florida, Florida voted for trump in the last election so by your thinking it's a red neck state and you and Sid hope lots of people die there .  Florida should be commended on keeping its elderly population so safe and moving the state to reopening.

It's called selective outrage

For once whitey .. something you actually know a lot about... "selective outrage"

tim Miller who worked for the anti trump pac , also for McCain and Jeb Bush so he wouldn't be a non biased reporter which is the case for most reporters on both sides but the anti trump are 10-1 in the media , example there is little criticism of Murphy or Cuomo in the media but desantis , Abbott and kemp are getting a lot of heat why is that when you look at the performance of each state during the current crisis . I know where I would rather be .

[J70]

You don't think there's a legitimate reason (assuming your assertion is correct) that the majority of the media, including many conservatives, are anti-Trump?

DeSantis and Kemp chanced their arm, going against the public health expertise. Circumstances may mean they'll get away with it (time will tell), but there was hardly much design to their strategies. One does wonder though what influence all those spring breakers had on infections elsewhere? And both administration have had accusations leveled at them in the past week for fixing the numbers.

And in case you'd forgotten, Trump himself condemned Kemp.

Cuomo is getting plenty of criticism for the nursing home issue and expecting them to take and adequately care for COVID-infected residents. Their motivation was a desire to preserve hospital space in light of the dire predictions (coming from the Feds BTW) at the time, but their directive was obviously extremely problematic in retrospect. Its a significant black mark against an otherwise mature and competent performance on Cuomo's part.

[Gmac]

You don't think there's a legitimate reason (assuming your assertion is correct) that the majority of the media, including many conservatives, are anti-Trump?

DeSantis and Kemp chanced their arm, going against the public health expertise. Circumstances may mean they'll get away with it (time will tell), but there was hardly much design to their strategies. One does wonder though what influence all those spring breakers had on infections elsewhere? And both administration have had accusations leveled at them in the past week for fixing the numbers.

And in case you'd forgotten, Trump himself condemned Kemp.

Cuomo is getting plenty of criticism for the nursing home issue and expecting them to take and adequately care for COVID-infected residents. Their motivation was a desire to preserve hospital space in light of the dire predictions (coming from the Feds BTW) at the time, but their directive was obviously extremely problematic in retrospect. Its a significant black mark against an otherwise mature and competent performance on Cuomo's part.

two of trumps policies he was running on last time have  shown to be crucial in the pandemic having strong tight border control and trying to get away from relying on China for most everything we consume and need , they are very simple messages but I don't think anyone would disagree with them now .
On couple of other things Georgia is doing good and seems to be out of the woods , Texas has lowest hospitalization since early April and the data lady in Florida is turning out to be just what I said a disgruntled insubordinate worker .
Mr bright also seems to be a disgruntled worker and he has gone to the back burner which is a sign he had no dirt to tell , on a positive note for bright he was transferred not fired and is still on his 295k salary so don't feel too sorry for him .

[sid waddell]

On April 1st - a very appropriate date - Brian Kemp said that the news that there was such a thing as asymptomatic transmission was "a revelation and a game changer".

Despite the fact that this was common knowledge back in January.

And our resident idiots here think that sort of wilful ignorance is just fine.

As Georgia Secretary of State, Kemp oversaw industrial levels of voter purging, which benefitted none other than himself when he ran for Governor in 2018. There's also significant evidence of vote falsification in that 2018 Georgia election.

Kemp is typical of the sort of arrogant, corrupt, anti-democracy sc**bag that infests the Republican party.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/nov/10/georgia-election-recount-stacey-abrams-brian-kemp

After Kemp's resignation, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People president, Derrick Johnson, released a statement, filled with refrains echoed by other legal experts, civil rights figures and Kemp's adversaries during and before the election.

He said: "Kemp's actions during the election were textbook voter suppression. His actions were strategic, careless and aimed at silencing the voting power of communities of color in the state."

Consider these numbers.

• In the three months leading up to election day, more than 85,000 voters were purged from rolls under Kemp. During 2017 668,000 voters were purged, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

• Of those 2017 numbers, investigative reporter Greg Palast told Salon, 200,000 people left the state, died or moved out their district, making them legitimate cancellations. However, through litigation, he got the entire purge list. "Of the 400,000 who supposedly moved, our experts will tell a court that 340,134 never moved – wrongly purged," Palast told the Guardian, saying people had been purged for not voting in an election or two.

• Furthermore from 2012 to 2016, 1.5 million voters were purged – more than 10% of all voters – from records, according to a 2018 report from the Brennan Center for Justice. In comparison, 750,000 were purged from 2008 to 2012.