Well it looks like it comes down to this.
Quote from: rrhf on March 29, 2015, 05:20:19 PM
Well it looks like it comes down to this.
Indeed! Fairly meh campaigns by both sides to date.
Where's good for a few pints in Omagh of a Saturday night? Might have to actually go to this, now it will mean something.
Omagh has a decent set up for a Saturday night I believe. A pedestrian pub area called main street.
Quote from: rrhf on March 29, 2015, 05:44:45 PM
Omagh has a decent set up for a Saturday night I believe. A pedestrian pub area called main street.
That, is the kind of response I'd expect from some smart arse from Killarney..not from the normally very hospitable Tyrone folk..
This game will have a championship feel to it now that the loser will face relegation. Tyrone have a big advantage playing at home but I think they are simply not good enough. Mickey Harte said during the week that it would be a disaster if Tyrone were relegated but I'd say that is simply an indication of the level of footballer they currently have. The League table never lies and the loser can have no complaints. Very surprised to see Kerry in this position, it begs the question as to how they would do if they actually had some competitive c'ship games to play before the quarter final stage. I'd be less concerned about their c'ship prospects though as they have a few quality players still to come back in. Tyrone don't have the same luxury. If they are relegated I reckon Mickey Hartes time could well be coming to an end in Tyrone this year.
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 29, 2015, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 29, 2015, 05:44:45 PM
Omagh has a decent set up for a Saturday night I believe. A pedestrian pub area called main street.
That, is the kind of response I'd expect from some smart arse from Killarney..not from the normally very hospitable Tyrone folk..
swear to god man Google main street omagh.i near fell of my tractor laughing at that one.
Quote from: rrhf on March 29, 2015, 06:06:31 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on March 29, 2015, 05:56:01 PM
Quote from: rrhf on March 29, 2015, 05:44:45 PM
Omagh has a decent set up for a Saturday night I believe. A pedestrian pub area called main street.
That, is the kind of response I'd expect from some smart arse from Killarney..not from the normally very hospitable Tyrone folk..
swear to god man Google main street omagh.i near fell of my tractor laughing at that one.
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Well, I'll be able to find my way to the Diamond and take it from there anyway!
Www.mainstreetomagh.com
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Deep in injury time Tyrone are one 1 point to the good against the kingdom. Last kick of the game and they win a free 60 meters out. Morgan steps up, steels himself and crowd go silent fearing the worst. Morgan's kick is hard and true sailing perfectly over the black spot to rapturous cheers. Joe McQuillan puts the whistle to his lips and ends the game and at the same time calls a wide ball!
Has to be on TG4's radar.
As much as I'd liked Tyrone relegated, I'd love a crack at Kerry in Div 2.
Quote from: Over the Bar on March 29, 2015, 06:51:16 PM
Deep in injury time Tyrone are one 1 point to the good against the kingdom. Last kick of the game and they win a free 60 meters out. Morgan steps up, steels himself and crowd go silent fearing the worst. Morgan's kick is hard and true sailing perfectly over the black spot to rapturous cheers. Joe McQuillan puts the whistle to his lips and ends the game and at the same time calls a wide ball!
hawkeye er te frig. Seriously though will we get a look at galvin in this game.
don't see us coming within the ten points of Kerry who need to win this. last game for harte and horse in division 1? maybe last league game in charge of tyrone?
Could be alright.. But I hope we give a great performance deserving of the man and go down fighting.
Mickey has a knack of reacting well to bad days.
When were Kerry last not in the top division?
Quote from: ONeill on March 29, 2015, 11:03:21 PM
Mickey has a knack of reacting well to bad days.
When were Kerry last not in the top division?
2002, also Gooch's senior debut.
Am I right in saying if Tyrone win by 2 points or more means Kerry are relegated? What if it is a 1 point victory for Tyrone and point difference is level between the 2?
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on March 29, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
Am I right in saying if Tyrone win by 2 points or more means Kerry are relegated? What if it is a 1 point victory for Tyrone and point difference is level between the 2?
Barring an outlandish result in the Mayo v Donegal game, yes, 2 point Tyrone win relegates Kerry.
Have I missed something or why are so many of ye saying MAYBE this is Mickey's last year?
I thought his term is up this year and I can't see him being offered a new contract.
I'm not being harsh or disrespectful but is that not the current view or are we not allowed to actually say it?
I have not seen/read any of the game yesterday but I have been impressed how well Mickey has them playing against Dublin and Cork. I think we've been the third best team in Ulster for a few years now and I really can't see that changing this year. I do however expect a good run in the qualifiers and if we fan avoid Cork/Kerry then a quarterfinal place.
Sadly I think Kerry will beat us in this game unless we really raise our game
Quote from: Archie Mitchell on March 29, 2015, 11:56:22 PM
Am I right in saying if Tyrone win by 2 points or more means Kerry are relegated? What if it is a 1 point victory for Tyrone and point difference is level between the 2?
Kerry's points difference is 3 better than Tyrone's hence 1 pt Tyrone win keeps Kerry ahead, 2 pt win puts Tyrone ahead.
If Donegal and Mayo draw, 1 pt win will be enough for Tyrone to stay up
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 30, 2015, 09:09:57 AM
Have I missed something or why are so many of ye saying MAYBE this is Mickey's last year?
I thought his term is up this year and I can't see him being offered a new contract.
I'm not being harsh or disrespectful but is that not the current view or are we not allowed to actually say it?
I have not seen/read any of the game yesterday but I have been impressed how well Mickey has them playing against Dublin and Cork. I think we've been the third best team in Ulster for a few years now and I really can't see that changing this year. I do however expect a good run in the qualifiers and if we fan avoid Cork/Kerry then a quarterfinal place.
Sadly I think Kerry will beat us in this game unless we really raise our game
Offered a new contract? Ye have contracts?
I think this is Mickey's last year with Tyrone. Be funny if he went and took over Derry or something and led them to a title.
I hope Mickey can get the boys together to muster up every ounce of football/energy the have in them to give it a good rattle.
Going to be a tasty clash, Kerry undoubtedly the better footballing team, although we've never seen Tyrone try to play good football in this campaign yet.
I really do fear the Donaghy tactic against our defence though, feel Ronan McNamee would struggle against the long ball in from Moran and the likes.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 30, 2015, 09:09:57 AM
Have I missed something or why are so many of ye saying MAYBE this is Mickey's last year?
I thought his term is up this year and I can't see him being offered a new contract.
I'm not being harsh or disrespectful but is that not the current view or are we not allowed to actually say it?
I have not seen/read any of the game yesterday but I have been impressed how well Mickey has them playing against Dublin and Cork. I think we've been the third best team in Ulster for a few years now and I really can't see that changing this year. I do however expect a good run in the qualifiers and if we fan avoid Cork/Kerry then a quarterfinal place.
Sadly I think Kerry will beat us in this game unless we really raise our game
Maybe they will offer him a new contract.
Maybe he will have a good year
Maybe there will be not better applicants when the time comes.
Quote from: Fuzzman on March 30, 2015, 09:09:57 AM
Have I missed something or why are so many of ye saying MAYBE this is Mickey's last year?
I thought his term is up this year and I can't see him being offered a new contract.
I'm not being harsh or disrespectful but is that not the current view or are we not allowed to actually say it?
I have not seen/read any of the game yesterday but I have been impressed how well Mickey has them playing against Dublin and Cork. I think we've been the third best team in Ulster for a few years now and I really can't see that changing this year. I do however expect a good run in the qualifiers and if we fan avoid Cork/Kerry then a quarterfinal place.
Sadly I think Kerry will beat us in this game unless we really raise our game
So in effect you are saying you think that youse will sack Harte at the end of the season? A triple All Ireland winning manager. That would indicate that youse believe that Tyrone are underachieving. How about the fact that the players simply are not there any more.
Yellowcard I've been saying that for a while now (not winding up this time), If Tyrone supporters think by sacking Micky and bring in another manager will turn things around for them then they're crazy...Tyrone were a great team and won 3 All Irelands with a top manager but the quality of player is just not there compared to the players you have had. You'll just have to re-build like the rest of us...deal with it.
Sacking Micky will actually weaken you further (my opinion)
Quote from: illdecide on March 30, 2015, 03:42:16 PM
Yellowcard I've been saying that for a while now (not winding up this time), If Tyrone supporters think by sacking Micky and bring in another manager will turn things around for them then they're crazy...Tyrone were a great team and won 3 All Irelands with a top manager but the quality of player is just not there compared to the players you have had. You'll just have to re-build like the rest of us...deal with it.
Sacking Micky will actually weaken you further (my opinion)
100% agree, that would be madness!
Sadly I think Tyrone will keep him.
Quote from: illdecide on March 30, 2015, 03:42:16 PM
Yellowcard I've been saying that for a while now (not winding up this time), If Tyrone supporters think by sacking Micky and bring in another manager will turn things around for them then they're crazy...Tyrone were a great team and won 3 All Irelands with a top manager but the quality of player is just not there compared to the players you have had. You'll just have to re-build like the rest of us...deal with it.
Sacking Micky will actually weaken you further (my opinion)
Surely there comes a time when the need to freshen things up though?
If Tyrone manage to stay up it will be a very decent spring. If they manage to bate done gal in may. The managerial debate should be filed under not for the foreseeable.
Well said rrhf. I shouldn't have brought it up on this thread.
His current term ends this year though so it's hardly sacking.
Yeah Donaghy would love to send us down I think.
Justy would probably pick him up.
Are there any Tyrone players that Kerry people might consider decent ?
Wum
Mammoth task, I fear the long ball in to Donaghy. Beating Kerry by 2 points on any occasion is tough, but knowing that they also need the points adds to it all.
It's certainly one not to miss on Sunday!
There has been a good few years where these two have played each other in the last round of league matches with one or the other team needing to win to stay up.
Is this the first time both need to win to stay up? I think so.
You could certainly see this get a bit feisty, especially after they hammered us last year down in Killarney
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The Kerry Senior Football Team to play Tyrone in Round 7 of the Allianz Football League in Omagh on Sunday shows three changes from the side defeated by Monaghan on Sunday last. Brendan Kealy returns in goal in place of Brian Kelly, Paul Murphy returns after injury at corner back in place of Pa Kilkenny and Bryan Sheehan also comes back after injury in place of Paul Geaney who has a hamstring strain.
Colm Cooper returns to the match day panel following injury for the first time since the 2013 All Ireland semi final against Dublin and Paul Galvin, who rejoined the panel recently having come out of retirement, is also included in the substitutes list.
Strong Kerry squad.
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1. Brendan Kealy Kilcummin
2. Paul Murphy Rathmore
3. Mark Griffin St Michaels/Foilmore
4. Shane Enright Tarbert
5. Jonathan Lyne Killarney Legion
6. Peter Crowley Laune Rangers
7. Killian Young Renard
8. Anthony Maher Duagh
9. David Moran Kerins O'Rahillys
10. Alan Fitzgerald Castlegregory
11. Bryan Sheehan St Marys
12. Johnny Buckley Dr Crokes
13. Stephen O'Brien Kenmare
14. Kieran Donaghy (C) Austin Stacks
15. Barry John Keane Kerins O'Rahillys
Fir Ionaid:
16. Brian Kelly Killarney Legion
17. Pa Kilkenny Glenbeigh/Glencar
18. Tommy Walsh Kerins O'Rahillys
19. Fionn Fitzgerald Dr Crokes
20. Marc Ó Sé An Ghaeltacht
21. Darran O'Sullivan Glenbeigh-Glencar
22. Kieran O'Leary Dr Crokes
23. Padraig O'Connor Killarney Legion
24. Philip O'Connor Cordal
25. Paul Galvin Finuge
26. Colm Cooper Dr Crokes
That's a keen interest in this game for a Cork man dhá lámh..eagerly checking Kerrygaa.ie for updates on the team announcement were we?? ;D
I've noticed a fair few Tyrone lads bemoaning the state of football recently. It is almost as if they are trying to distance themselves from the monster they created. I think if you lads are honest you will accept that you owe Pat Spillane an apology. He called it right a long time ago. Fellas like Brolly are only waking up to the truth now...12 years later... ::)
Anyway, are there any Tyrone lads that can actually play football as opposed to playing to a system that we should look out for ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 03, 2015, 12:13:18 AM
I've noticed a fair few Tyrone lads bemoaning the state of football recently. It is almost as if they are trying to distance themselves from the monster they created. I think if you lads are honest you will accept that you owe Pat Spillane an apology. He called it right a long time ago. Fellas like Brolly are only waking up to the truth now...12 years later... ::)
Anyway, are there any Tyrone lads that can actually play football as opposed to playing to a system that we should look out for ?
Brilliant point. Feel so ashamed. That 05 final was a sign. Total football is a curse.
03 was puke
05 was sneaky.....we were prepared for a different game
08 was a tossup
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 03, 2015, 12:36:22 AM
03 was puke
05 was sneaky.....we were prepared for a different game
08 was a tossup
Shame on us for not giving you our gameplan
Mike, if you're trying to be funny..it ain't working. If you're being serious, stop posting nonsense.
I sense you aren't a bona fide Kerry fan in either case and I hope I'm right.
Meanwhile back on terra firma..that's a strong enough Kerry team to win IMO. Be interesting to see how things pan out. Meant to be a fine day for it Sunday. Looking forward to my first trip to Omagh since..well, I can't remember when it was. 2004 or so? 1-8 to 1-7 or something was the score. Man-mountain Micheál Quirke was full forward for Kerry.
I think Kerry circa 2002-2008 had better players than Tyrone. Seamus Moynihan, Darragh O'Se, Mike FranK Russell...etc I honestly cant think of any players on the Tyrone side that were their equal.Tyrone won mainly because of the system they played to.
What do you think Ciarrai_thuaidh ? which players would you trade ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 03, 2015, 03:49:37 AM
I think Kerry circa 2002-2008 had better players than Tyrone. Seamus Moynihan, Darragh O'Se, Mike FranK Russell...etc I honestly cant think of any players on the Tyrone side that were their equal.Tyrone won mainly because of the system they played to.
What do you think Ciarrai_thuaidh ? which players would you trade ?
Mike Frank Russell wouldn't have gotten within an asses roar of the Tyrone full forward line in 2005. I certainly wouldn't have been giving up Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan or Mugsy for him. Tyrone won mainly because firstly, they had better players. Secondly, that Kerry team had balls the size of peanuts when the pressure was cranked up in big games. And thirdly 3 different Kerry managers and the players didn't have the intelligence to work out Tyrone's tactics over a 5-6 year period. That's the reality Mikey boy!
when you look at both teams you have to say like the cork game when the fat is in the fire the only player we can bring on to change a game is ronan o neill, the rest are as weak a squad as ive ever seen. the kerry bench by the other hand wow(minus o donohue and the geaneys) that will be the difference in this game unfortunately. mickey harte cannot be blamed for the paucity of talent currently within the county, there are very few not in the panel. dropping down next year into div 2 whilst unwelcome will not be a disaster. winning u21s on wed night is more important than beating kerry on sunday in my humble view. i think we are three years away from challenging again and harte is the right man for the job to get us to that point. however what devlin brings to the party is beyond me and as yet peter donnelly has not proved the revolutionary he was touted as. tyrone still dont have the upper body strength required as evidenced by last sunday or are they able to transition from all out defence to supporting the attack for 70 mins despite undergoing the most stringent and intensive fitness training allegedly that they have ever done (now 6 months)??????.
Great to see the Gooch back and the galvinator too. Looking forward to this.. get behind mix key and the lads for 1 last push. If we go to 2 it's because we deserve it.
Quote from: ose 14 on April 03, 2015, 07:20:16 AM
when you look at both teams you have to say like the cork game when the fat is in the fire the only player we can bring on to change a game is ronan o neill, the rest are as weak a squad as ive ever seen. the kerry bench by the other hand wow(minus o donohue and the geaneys) that will be the difference in this game unfortunately. mickey harte cannot be blamed for the paucity of talent currently within the county, there are very few not in the panel. dropping down next year into div 2 whilst unwelcome will not be a disaster. winning u21s on wed night is more important than beating kerry on sunday in my humble view. i think we are three years away from challenging again and harte is the right man for the job to get us to that point. however what devlin brings to the party is beyond me and as yet peter donnelly has not proved the revolutionary he was touted as. tyrone still dont have the upper body strength required as evidenced by last sunday or are they able to transition from all out defence to supporting the attack for 70 mins despite undergoing the most stringent and intensive fitness training allegedly that they have ever done (now 6 months)??????.
I don't think you are going to see the benefit of Peter Donnelly's work for a while yet, the man has only been in the post a lock of months. I don't think Harte is the right man though, but I do agree with you that the u-21s is important.
Quote from: ose 14 on April 03, 2015, 07:20:16 AM
when you look at both teams you have to say like the cork game when the fat is in the fire the only player we can bring on to change a game is ronan o neill, the rest are as weak a squad as ive ever seen. the kerry bench by the other hand wow(minus o donohue and the geaneys) that will be the difference in this game unfortunately. mickey harte cannot be blamed for the paucity of talent currently within the county, there are very few not in the panel. dropping down next year into div 2 whilst unwelcome will not be a disaster. winning u21s on wed night is more important than beating kerry on sunday in my humble view. i think we are three years away from challenging again and harte is the right man for the job to get us to that point. however what devlin brings to the party is beyond me and as yet peter donnelly has not proved the revolutionary he was touted as. tyrone still dont have the upper body strength required as evidenced by last sunday or are they able to transition from all out defence to supporting the attack for 70 mins despite undergoing the most stringent and intensive fitness training allegedly that they have ever done (now 6 months)??????.
Tyrone have been 3 years away from challanging for this past 6 years. Seriously, you are going to blame Peter Donnelly, imo you wont notice the benefis of his work for maybe another year. Everyone is too blame only Mickey. When exactly will Mickey have questions to answer for the teams performances over this past number of years. He is the one who comes up with the gameplans i assume. Is horse not a trainer, fitness doesnt look like the problem, its a total lack of tactical awareness in the big games, constantly out thought over this past few years and i dont see it being any different this season.
Quote from: ose 14 on April 03, 2015, 07:20:16 AM
when you look at both teams you have to say like the cork game when the fat is in the fire the only player we can bring on to change a game is ronan o neill, the rest are as weak a squad as ive ever seen. the kerry bench by the other hand wow(minus o donohue and the geaneys) that will be the difference in this game unfortunately. mickey harte cannot be blamed for the paucity of talent currently within the county, there are very few not in the panel. dropping down next year into div 2 whilst unwelcome will not be a disaster. winning u21s on wed night is more important than beating kerry on sunday in my humble view. i think we are three years away from challenging again and harte is the right man for the job to get us to that point. however what devlin brings to the party is beyond me and as yet peter donnelly has not proved the revolutionary he was touted as. tyrone still dont have the upper body strength required as evidenced by last sunday or are they able to transition from all out defence to supporting the attack for 70 mins despite undergoing the most stringent and intensive fitness training allegedly that they have ever done (now 6 months)??????.
The naivety in this post just goes to show, if needed that any imbecile can make a contribution. The reason why Tyrone are physically behind Donegal is because our manager fell asleep at the wheel, and whilst counties like Donegal were implementing modern S & C training plans, our manager hadn't a clue about it, and what's worst hadn't the modesty to acknowledge he didn't know. Queue, a number of years latter when it became so obvious, even the dogs on the street could see that physically we were been out muscled. Also if you knew anything about S&C development, it takes times time, unless of course your advocating that our players take steroids, Are you ? But in your absolute ignorance, blame Donnelly. On a side note, big week for Tyrone football, a massive week infact, well our manager hasn't been at one training session this week. I have no idea why, nor do I need to know. I am going to conclude there is a very good reason for it, as I wouldn't for one minute question his commitment.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 03, 2015, 06:52:34 AM
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 03, 2015, 03:49:37 AM
I think Kerry circa 2002-2008 had better players than Tyrone. Seamus Moynihan, Darragh O'Se, Mike FranK Russell...etc I honestly cant think of any players on the Tyrone side that were their equal.Tyrone won mainly because of the system they played to.
What do you think Ciarrai_thuaidh ? which players would you trade ?
Mike Frank Russell wouldn't have gotten within an asses roar of the Tyrone full forward line in 2005. I certainly wouldn't have been giving up Stephen O'Neill, Peter Canavan or Mugsy for him. Tyrone won mainly because firstly, they had better players. Secondly, that Kerry team had balls the size of peanuts when the pressure was cranked up in big games. And thirdly 3 different Kerry managers and the players didn't have the intelligence to work out Tyrone's tactics over a 5-6 year period. That's the reality Mikey boy!
in 2003 and 2005 tyrone had better players all round, however in 2008 from positions 8-15 only enda mcginley, brian dooher & sean cavanagh would have made the kerry team imo, yet tyrone still won as the whole was greater than the sum of its parts that particular year.
Quote from: ose 14 on April 03, 2015, 07:20:16 AM
when you look at both teams you have to say like the cork game when the fat is in the fire the only player we can bring on to change a game is ronan o neill, the rest are as weak a squad as ive ever seen. the kerry bench by the other hand wow(minus o donohue and the geaneys) that will be the difference in this game unfortunately. mickey harte cannot be blamed for the paucity of talent currently within the county, there are very few not in the panel. dropping down next year into div 2 whilst unwelcome will not be a disaster. winning u21s on wed night is more important than beating kerry on sunday in my humble view. i think we are three years away from challenging again and harte is the right man for the job to get us to that point. however what devlin brings to the party is beyond me and as yet peter donnelly has not proved the revolutionary he was touted as. tyrone still dont have the upper body strength required as evidenced by last sunday or are they able to transition from all out defence to supporting the attack for 70 mins despite undergoing the most stringent and intensive fitness training allegedly that they have ever done (now 6 months)??????.
Peter Donnelly is only in the door so how anyone can blame his work is beyond belief. It will take minimum 2 years to see full benefits but IMO it is obvious from the U'21 performances in last 2 games that he is having a positive effect. They look strong, have upper body strength, well conditioned and able to take and give hits for 60 minutes allied with a strong running game so there is clear evidence that Donnelly is doing good work. However, we have been that far behind the big teams in this area at senior level that he has a lot of ground to make up and it will take a few seasons to get there. We have been poor for 5 seasons now so ultimately the blame lies with MH, no one else!!!. No apparent game plan, chopping and changing from attacking to defending style of play with no end results. Yes, we need to have Plan A and Plan B and possibly Plan C but we seem to jump from one to the other and still no positive impact - players seem lost, short of ideas and most importantly and worryingly show a lack of interest and desire which are basic requirements. Sunday will tell a tale and I hope sincerely we come out the right side of the result or it could be a short summer
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 29, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
Has to be on TG4's radar.
Setanta had the rights to the league again this year but nothing listed for sunday .Gaa beo have as you predicted a live game and a defferred1 but of course don't say which ones!Given theres only one show in town this weekend , youd imagine its TY v KY ,can any one confirm this;also anthing of the Ulster under21being shown ala bbc2ni etc,(cant get their listins atall)looks a good game as well.
Quote from: cuconnacht on April 03, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 29, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
Has to be on TG4's radar.
Setanta had the rights to the league again this year but nothing listed for sunday .Gaa beo have as you predicted a live game and a defferred1 but of course don't say which ones!Given theres only one show in town this weekend , youd imagine its TY v KY ,can any one confirm this;also anthing of the Ulster under21being shown ala bbc2ni etc,(cant get their listins atall)looks a good game as well.
I think I saw on twitter that the TG4 live game is Maigh Eo v Dún na nGall
re p donnelly im not blaming him just questioning the hubris and hullabaloo that surrounds him, what im saying is hes training a county team ffs. all fit to start with majority of them u25 and hes progressed them about 0.1 of an inch. no pace anywhere and no strength you tell me, hes been in place 6 months, collective training started on the ist of october whispers abound they had programmes before that. not impressed especially when its a paid post. donegal pushed us about like ragdolls. do you lads see any difference in terms of conditioning i dont. any muppet could condition an u 21 team feel mr donnelly seriously over hyped interesting that terry hyland wasnt screaming to keep him. jobs for the boys doesent mean best man for the job. we have been seriously leggy in the second half of every game this season which is surprising with all this training going on. specificity or quantity.
Quote from: Tubberman on April 03, 2015, 09:52:04 AM
Quote from: cuconnacht on April 03, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 29, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
Has to be on TG4's radar.
Setanta had the rights to the league again this year but nothing listed for sunday .Gaa beo have as you predicted a live game and a defferred1 but of course don't say which ones!Given theres only one show in town this weekend , youd imagine its TY v KY ,can any one confirm this;also anthing of the Ulster under21being shown ala bbc2ni etc,(cant get their listins atall)looks a good game as well.
I think I saw on twitter that the TG4 live game is Maigh Eo v Dún na nGall
Thought I saw that it was the deferred game??
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 03, 2015, 03:49:37 AM
I think Kerry circa 2002-2008 had better players than Tyrone. Seamus Moynihan, Darragh O'Se, Mike FranK Russell...etc I honestly cant think of any players on the Tyrone side that were their equal.Tyrone won mainly because of the system they played to.
Even if that was true (and it isn't), it's totally irrelevant. Football is a team sport. It's about the sum of the parts.
Man marker can you consider removing the last part of your post. Thanks
Quote from: Man Marker on April 03, 2015, 09:36:14 AM
Quote from: ose 14 on April 03, 2015, 07:20:16 AM
when you look at both teams you have to say like the cork game when the fat is in the fire the only player we can bring on to change a game is ronan o neill, the rest are as weak a squad as ive ever seen. the kerry bench by the other hand wow(minus o donohue and the geaneys) that will be the difference in this game unfortunately. mickey harte cannot be blamed for the paucity of talent currently within the county, there are very few not in the panel. dropping down next year into div 2 whilst unwelcome will not be a disaster. winning u21s on wed night is more important than beating kerry on sunday in my humble view. i think we are three years away from challenging again and harte is the right man for the job to get us to that point. however what devlin brings to the party is beyond me and as yet peter donnelly has not proved the revolutionary he was touted as. tyrone still dont have the upper body strength required as evidenced by last sunday or are they able to transition from all out defence to supporting the attack for 70 mins despite undergoing the most stringent and intensive fitness training allegedly that they have ever done (now 6 months)??????.
The naivety in this post just goes to show, if needed that any imbecile can make a contribution. The reason why Tyrone are physically behind Donegal is because our manager fell asleep at the wheel, and whilst counties like Donegal were implementing modern S & C training plans, our manager hadn't a clue about it, and what's worst hadn't the modesty to acknowledge he didn't know. Queue, a number of years latter when it became so obvious, even the dogs on the street could see that physically we were been out muscled. Also if you knew anything about S&C development, it takes times time, unless of course your advocating that our players take steroids, Are you ? But in your absolute ignorance, blame Donnelly. On a side note, big week for Tyrone football, a massive week infact, well our manager hasn't been at one training session this week. I have no idea why, nor do I need to know. I am going to conclude there is a very good reason for it, as I wouldn't for one minute question his commitment.
Hasn't been at training..at all?? What's the story there?
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=177.180
Quote from: StephenC on April 03, 2015, 10:01:03 AM
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Quote from: cuconnacht on April 03, 2015, 09:47:34 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on March 29, 2015, 07:01:12 PM
Has to be on TG4's radar.
Setanta had the rights to the league again this year but nothing listed for sunday .Gaa beo have as you predicted a live game and a defferred1 but of course don't say which ones!Given theres only one show in town this weekend , youd imagine its TY v KY ,can any one confirm this;also anthing of the Ulster under21being shown ala bbc2ni etc,(cant get their listins atall)looks a good game as well.
I think I saw on twitter that the TG4 live game is Maigh Eo v Dún na nGall
Thought I saw that it was the deferred game??
Yep, think you're right actually. Tyrone v Kerry the live game.
Setanta have rights to Saturday night games in the league - final round games always take place on the Sunday with all matches throwing in the same time so they are not allowed show any.
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0403/691935-harte_tyrone/
Manmarker you'd be wise to edit your comment earlier.
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0403/691935-harte_tyrone/
Manmarker you'd be wise to edit your comment earlier.
Strange the Tyrone PRO hasn't clarified what the issue is or at least made something up
Tyrone and RTE are divorced
Quote from: ONeill on April 03, 2015, 07:22:52 PM
Tyrone and RTE are divorced
Nah, 'tis only a trial separation, a very trying separation! ;)
Quote from: heffo on April 03, 2015, 07:02:32 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 03, 2015, 06:45:27 PM
http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0403/691935-harte_tyrone/
Manmarker you'd be wise to edit your comment earlier.
Strange the Tyrone PRO hasn't clarified what the issue is or at least made something up
They have now on ----> http://tyronegaa.ie
Quote from: rrhf on April 03, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
Man marker can you consider removing the last part of your post. Thanks
Why would you want him to do that?
Quote from: rrhf on April 03, 2015, 02:11:05 PM
Man marker can you consider removing the last part of your post. Thanks
Why? I stated a fact that he hadn't been to training, I also concluded that there had to be very good reason, and I was right, there was, and as a result of concluding their was a good reason, I wouldn't for one minute have questioned his commitment, which he has demonstrated over many years and unfortunate events. Now what in under earth is wrong with that post.
Man marker could u consider removing ureself from the forum.thanks :o
I would like to see ronan o neill ger another chance on sunday. Im expecting a big game from tyrone on sunday and hopefully a big year ahead. It would take very little to get things to click into place.cant wait to see kerry, some great players and it would be nice to see the gooch back. I wouldnt get to hung up on s+c. They look to be alright to me. If we can get the shooting sorted we will win any game. Bring it on
If Down wasn't playing I'd be at this...tasty, tasty fixture...no way Fitzy will risk the Gooch...but you will see Galvin.
Quote from: 5 Sams on April 03, 2015, 11:39:19 PM
If Down wasn't playing I'd be at this...tasty, tasty fixture...no way Fitzy will risk the Gooch...but you will see Galvin.
We're as likely to see one as the other I'd say. I don't think either of them are ready for that yet..If I'm wrong, fair enough, but don't think I am.
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Quote from: 5 Sams on April 03, 2015, 11:39:19 PM
If Down wasn't playing I'd be at this...tasty, tasty fixture...no way Fitzy will risk the Gooch...but you will see Galvin.
We're as likely to see one as the other I'd say. I don't think either of them are ready for that yet..If I'm wrong, fair enough, but don't think I am.
If Cooper and Galvin aren't ready to feature, surely they wouldnt be named in the 26.
Has to be remembered that with the two of them back in the squad, that's 2 other lads dropped out of the match day squad.
So predictions anyone?
I genuinely haven't seen much of Kerry other than the highlights programmes this national league. Seen Tyrone in the flesh twice (Monaghan and Cork) and on the box a couple of times and they've been disappointing. Kerry will be coming to Omagh confident that they can save themselves I'd imagine. Another Tyrone defeat certainly wouldn't surprise me.
Maybe the inclusion of Gooch and Galvin will help to really focus and raise the games of a couple of other players in that Kerry forward line even if they don't play. They'd also be a big influence in the dressing room and on the training pitch this week. I'd love to have that kind of experience on the Tyrone bench tomorrow! (Gormley, Big joe, Dermy Carlin)
Kerry by a couple I think but I hope not!
Kerry's form in the league has been inconsistent, whereas Tyrone's just seems to have been pretty much uniformly poor to average, so for that reason I'd be favouring Kerry.
With Tyrone struggling to get scores, it's just very hard to see them winning.
Wonder what sort of impact the whole Harte not being present will have on matters.
Fingers crossed for a hum-dinger.
On the face of it this match looks like being absolute trench warfare. Kerry more akin to Tyrone's great teams than their own nowadays.
Any TV coverage confirmed?
Tyrone v Kerry is live on TG4. Coverage starts at 2:30. Delayed coverage of Mayo v Donegal.
Quote from: dlgael on April 05, 2015, 09:20:02 AM
Tyrone v Kerry is live on TG4. Coverage starts at 2:30. Delayed coverage of Mayo v Donegal.
hows about going to the match? hoping its going to be a clinker
Hate to admit it but think Tyrone are in for another stuffing today
Would love to be going to this game myself but can't unfortunately with the day that's in it. I think Tyrone could win it. I expect a very different Tyrone performance from last week much more like what they intend to serve up in May. I expect ourselves to get a hiding in Castlebar but have done enough to stay up barring a freakish set of results.
Very rare event for a team to be relegated on 6 points but could happen today. History says Tyrone will stay on 4.
Johnny Curran in for Morgan in goals and Peter Hughes in for Conor McAliskey
Dermot Carlin and Joe McMahon on the Tyrone bench
Are picture issues just mine??
Clear picture here
Awful free given away by Brian Sheehan
0-1 apiece
Tyrone free to go a point up
McCurry with a peach from 45 out to put Tyrone 03 to 0-1 up.
Quote from: CD on April 05, 2015, 03:03:05 PM
Are picture issues just mine??
Had a usb plugged in and it upset things! Great McCurry point- a corner back and midfielder inside the 21 when he hit it! Attacking intent?
Buckley with a yellow - a tad harsh maybe
David Moran with a fine point from distance
Tyrone 0-3 Kerry 0-2
High ball into Donaghy not really working
Peter harte with a curler to put Tyrone's lead back to 2
Ref seeming to give the benefit to to defenders over the man in possession in all cases.
3 wides to Kerry 0 for Tyrone
Sheehan from play to narrow the gap to one
Paul Geaney on for Barry John Keane.
Looks to be tactical as opposed to injury.
Still Tyrone 0-5 Kerry 0-3 - lots of very scrappy poor play the last while.
Oof Cavanagh hits Murphy with an elbow/shoulder and sent him literally flying
Free from 45 for Sheehan right over the black spot
Tyrone 0-5 Kerry 0-4
Cavanagh with a yellow - I think part of that was related to the fact that the foul was in the same place as the foul on Murphy
Sheehan puts in wide - if he's not kicking those you really have to question his place on the team imo
Murphy kicks a tasty point from a good distance out to level it.
Donelly to put Tyrone a point ahead again.
Buckley from a good distance out to narrow it to a point again.
Ref's interpretation of the tackle has been all over the place - Tyrone lose out on this occasion.
Sheehan levels it up at 0-7 apiece.
Tyrone with a free to go 1 up with HT closing in.
Sheehan with another daft foul to give Tyrone a free when they were going backwards
Cavanagh drops it short
Tyrone 0-8 Kerry 0-7 HT
Mcquillian very inconsistent here.
missed one of the most obvious black card offenses you're ever likely to see.kerry taking out the supporting player.
is it me, or are Kerry an incredibly cynical team.??
Blocking the runner on a regular basis, then the flop when tackled.
Purists my hole.
McQuillian interpretation's of what's a legitimate tackle looks to be complete guess-work - swings
If it stays like this (Tyrone up by a point) Kerry stay up by a single point - balanced on a knife-edge at the moment
O'Brien with a black card.
Ref surprisingly gets it spot on.
McCurry point to make it 09 -08
Tommy Walsh on to replace O'Brien
Paul Geaney point and a Paul Murphy point in quick succession puts Kerry a point up.
43 minutes
Ooh Geaney rushes a chance there and puts a very kickable one wide.
Bad miss after a good fetch.
Geaney goal after a Donaghy fetch laid over to Darran O'Sullivan
Kerry putting Tyrone under pressure with a few power play minutes
Kerry 1-10 Tyrone 0-9
McCurry point to stop the bleeding
Sean Kavanagh blasts wide with a one-on-one with a keeper
Huge miss.
Game kicked up by about 3 gears now
Geaney with a point after another fetch by Donaghy
Schmozzle Alert
Geaney ended up on the ground; Ref consulting with linesman and umpires
Yellows for McNamee, Sheehan and another Tyrone player
Donnelly with the 3rd yellow
Yellow for Lyne
McCurry free to make it
Kerry 1-11 Tyrone 0-11
Darran O'Sullivan point to make it
Kerry 1-12 Tyrone 0-11
Tommy Walsh kicks a pootish wide and O'se on for Crowley
Wide by McCurry
Beginning to feel like the clock is against Tyrone. Really looks like they will need at least one goal here
Tyrone look to have thrown in the blanket in terms of defending in depth with numbers
Curran saves a goal from Paul Murphy - he can kick poin
Joe McMahon got the ball in the Kerry square after great play by Harte but blazes over with the goal chance on.
Tyrone 0-12 Kerry 1-12
Ronan O'neill on for Justin McMahon
McCurry free narrows it to 2
Kerry mess up a kickout badly but recover.
Another free
Tyrone 0-14 Kerry 1-12
Tyrone have rallied
Colm Cooper back in action - 8 minutes left
Cavanagh free to level it - 6 minutes left
Maher point
Tyrone 0-15 Kerry 1-13
Another Tyrone free to level it 67 minutes gone
Donaghy point Kerry a point up 69th minute
Anyone else think the ref has been absolutely brutal today?
Tyrone shot at goal - save by KEaly into injury time
Quote from: heganboy on April 05, 2015, 04:32:41 PM
Anyone else think the ref has been absolutely brutal today?
Terrible performance - some very very questionable decisions against Kerry
McCurry to level it
Almost 2 minutes of injury time played
Honours even FT
The shine is well worn off that McKenna Cup now :D
Tyrone were far far better in my opinion when they abandoned the blanket, especially in terms of creating goal chances.
Quote from: heganboy on April 05, 2015, 04:32:41 PM
Anyone else think the ref has been absolutely brutal today?
Terrible.
So inconsistent. Surely Morans late body check on colm cavanagh was a black card as well?not to mention the constant blocking of the runner he let them away with.
Aside from that he give a few dubious calls in both directions.
That was not an enjoyable watch by any means. Kerry's handling of the ball was poor by any standard. Kerry's taking down of the runner went unpunished the whole game. The flopping by both teams was horrible. The number of times fouls and cards were given on a no foul flop made for a very frustrating neutral observer. (Inasmuch as an Armagh man watching Tyrone can be neutral) you couldn't even say the ref was biased one way or another, just that he was very poor.
Also a question when did the number of steps rise to 15, and when did it become legal to lift the ball straight off the ground?
Brutal watching
Hopefully donegal and Mayo can save the day
Tyrone had the winning of that game and will not be happy with that result at all
It was a ding dong, end to end game in the last 20 minutes, dare I say, even exciting. Not much in it at the end, maybe Tyrone paying a price for the ineffectual (all at sea) defending against Donaghy's aerial ability.
Kerry held the ball very well last 10 mins and the points from Maher/ Donaghy crucial. Tyrone go down drawing 3 games and beating Mayo.
Division 2 for Tyrone. But thats ok because they played decent for last 20 mins today. ;D
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2015, 05:01:51 PM
Division 2 for Tyrone. But thats ok because they played decent for last 20 mins today. ;D
Divison 2 next year - Tyrone, Derry, Fermanagh, Armagh, Cavan, Galway, Meath and Laois
hopefully they play like they did in last 20 mins. Division 3 just around the corner
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2015, 05:05:34 PM
hopefully they play like they did in last 20 mins. Division 3 just around the corner
Can see Division 2 being very similar to this year with lots of tight games in there.
Hard lines Tyronies.
Can anyone tell me what's the story with Mickey O'Neill? Is he injured or what? I was suprised to see Jonny Curran back in nets today. However he had a good game.
Tyrone have the bare bones of a very good side, but definitely a few players short. Very little to come from the bench. We will need to keep all out best players fit.
Good spirited performance today, but the manner of the defeats to Monaghan and Donegal still haunts us. Still lack a killer instinct, and the dropped points v Dublin and Cork is what has relegated us.
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
Surprised by a couple of the comments above, I thought this was a really entertaining game. Some excellent scores kicked, plenty of excitement and tough play. Really enjoyed it.
Relegation's no disaster, Tyrone showed real signs of life today and this match will bring them on a lot, and was great preparation for the summer.
Lyne looks good for Kerry in the half-backs.
Quote from: Carmen Stateside on April 05, 2015, 05:05:34 PM
hopefully they play like they did in last 20 mins. Division 3 just around the corner
Bit lost by that comment. Want to explain
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
Just seen the goal which was a bit fortuitous after such a fantastic block. Ah well div two it is
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Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
Quote from: God14 on April 05, 2015, 06:40:28 PM
Can anyone tell me what's the story with Mickey O'Neill? Is he injured or what? I was suprised to see Jonny Curran back in nets today. However he had a good game.
Tyrone have the bare bones of a very good side, but definitely a few players short. Very little to come from the bench. We will need to keep all out best players fit.
Good spirited performance today, but the manner of the defeats to Monaghan and Donegal still haunts us. Still lack a killer instinct, and the dropped points v Dublin and Cork is what has relegated us.
His kick outs were brutal. Continually put the full back line under pressure by chipping the ball to the corner back position. Absolute madness.
I take it micky has left the panel. if he has then so be it, pj did well enough though, hes game. yes curran looked rusty but that's to be expected, tara what a diff a week makes. another game we should have won if the shooting boots were on. colly immense as was mcarron, justy, mcnamme, petey, mcnabb, matty, mccurry and sean. thought we should have pushed up on there kickouts but I suppose when u have maher and moran in midfield then ure caught between a rock and a hard place. Tony Donnelly back on the line mighten be a bad thing.
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 05, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
I think there was only one tyrone player in there to aim at. But judging by the way McCurry looked at the ref after he kicked the point, he probably thought there was another play left in the game.
The chance that went a begging was the one for McMahon a bit earlier, that was the one, but I would be a bit shy to call him toothless.
Quote from: redzone on April 05, 2015, 09:11:07 PM
I take it micky has left the panel. if he has then so be it, pj did well enough though, hes game. yes curran looked rusty but that's to be expected, tara what a diff a week makes. another game we should have won if the shooting boots were on. colly immense as was mcarron, justy, mcnamme, petey, mcnabb, matty, mccurry and sean. thought we should have pushed up on there kickouts but I suppose when u have maher and moran in midfield then ure caught between a rock and a hard place. Tony Donnelly back on the line mighten be a bad thing.
As far as I'm aware micky is on holidays and has not left the panel.
picked a bad time to go on holidays. with morgan out injured he would have got his chance. maybe he still will. its not something ud hear to often a player heading of on holidays 6 weeks before the championship.
He s in Las Vegas. That's why young Fox was brought on last week.
He was not available today due to the U21 final on Wednesday night.
Quote from: redzone on April 05, 2015, 10:24:21 PM
picked a bad time to go on holidays. with morgan out injured he would have got his chance. maybe he still will. its not something ud hear to often a player heading of on holidays 6 weeks before the championship.
Get his chance, sitting on the bench for a year and a half waiting, meanwhile Morgan has been poor imo for a while. Free kicks r what have been keeping him there and that has cost us our place in this division, Hartes reluctance to acknowledge Morgans free kicking is not reliable enough for this level has had its consequence. O Neiil is as good a shot stopper as you will get, superb under a high ball and his kickouts are more accurate. Morgan was not missed today, infact his absence it helped Tyrone.
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Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 05, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
I think there was only one tyrone player in there to aim at. But judging by the way McCurry looked at the ref after he kicked the point, he probably thought there was another play left in the game.
The chance that went a begging was the one for McMahon a bit earlier, that was the one, but I would be a bit shy to call him toothless.
The keeper made a good save from Mcmahon so I wouldn't be too sore on him. In fact it was very like a foot block
Fair play to Kerry, I got the impression they were playing in third gear today while Tyrone actually played reasonably well in patches. With all the recent talk of blanket defences, anyone studying how to break down a defensive system should have a look at how Kerry are going about it. Firstly, they have players hugging the sidelines and get the ball to them as quickly as possible, forcing defenders to push out of position. Secondly, they move the ball quickly from wide, back inside to on running players in the middle to utilise the space vacated by defenders and kick points from 35-40 yards out. Kerry have the players to do this with Maher, Moran, Sheenan and seemingly Murphy able to kick from distance. Thirdly, if the ball back inside isn't on, they play a long diagonal ball into Donaghy, Geaney (and possibly in the near future Walsh) again keeping the ball wide drags the defenders out of position so less are around for the breaking ball. It's simple but effective and shows that scores can be created against a defensive system. Come the summer, I expect this to be perfected. Throw in the returning genius of Gooch and a very intelligent manager who can get the team playing a few different styles and I can't see past them regaining Sam.
Bennyharp, mostly a great post, but for the rest - take a hike for yourself sir! Kerry knew exactly what blatant fouling they could get away with, and routinely blocking the Tyrone runner off the ball went equally unpunished.
3rd gear - get a grip, clutching for dear Division 1 life at the end does most definitely not betoken such! :)
Hello Division 2 :)
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 05, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
As it was a draw between Donegal and Mayo, a one-point Tyrone win would have relegated Kerry on the head-to-head rule. Would the benches/management be aware of what was happening in Castlebar?
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 06, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Bennyharp, mostly a great post, but for the rest - take a hike for yourself sir! Kerry knew exactly what blatant fouling they could get away with, and routinely blocking the Tyrone runner off the ball went equally unpunished.
3rd gear - get a grip, clutching for dear Division 1 life at the end does most definitely not betoken such! :)
Hello Division 2 :)
It was getting on a bit last night and a few beers had been consumed so maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, so let me clarify what I meant by Kerry playing in 3rd gear. I just felt that due to the ridiculously lop sided AI championship we have, Tyrone and Kerry are at very different stages of their preparation. Kerry know that regardless of what happens when they eventually play Cork in Munster that they will be in Croke Park on AI quarter final day and are training to peak then, 4 months down the line. Tyrone need to peak in a few weeks time for an away trip to Ballybofey followed by (hopefully) a clash with Armagh etc. As a result I felt that Kerry looked a bit leggy and Tyrone seemed a bit sharper and fitter, especially in the last 15 mins. My comment about 3rd gear related to the relative ease at which they generated scores and kept the ball while Tyrone seemed to work much harder for scores. If Kerry were flat out for this would they have started without O'Sullivan or Geaney? Would they have waited so long to bring on Gooch? Don't fool yourself, this wasn't a Kerry team anywhere near full tilt yesterday, they never are in April. Put it this way, I would be worried if the two sides met in August.
With regards to Kerry's fouling - of course they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that for years. But I was only focusing my post on one element of the game that I thought had been the biggest talking point this past week, as many people felt this ultra defensive system was ruining the game and no attacking tactics could overcome it. Kerry showed (like they did late on, in the AI final against Donegal) how redundant the tactic can be when you fall behind on the scoreboard, by playing the ball around the 45m line, spreading it wide, keeping possession as the blanket looks on waiting for you to attack them. They kept the ball for nearly 3 mins yesterday from the 65th minute as Tyrone were chasing the game. This eventually led to a well worked point as they spread the defence from one side of the pitch to another until an opening was found. I for one enjoyed watching how the tactics unfolded!
As for Tyrone, I think in patches we showed what we are capable of when let of the leash and when 4 down, like the Derry game, we were able to score relatively quickly but once we did we retreated to form. I must say, Tyrones tackling is actually very good and is often over looked. Yesterday we only gave away 10 frees to Kerry's 34. Against Dublin it was something like 5 or 6. If only we could cope with the high ball and work a bit of pace into our attacks! :)
Also, for 3 mins towards the end of the first half we pumped a few long balls in on top of Sean Cavanagh and he was winning them all and a few scoring chances resulted. We barely kicked one in during the second half - strange!
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Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 06, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Bennyharp, mostly a great post, but for the rest - take a hike for yourself sir! Kerry knew exactly what blatant fouling they could get away with, and routinely blocking the Tyrone runner off the ball went equally unpunished.
3rd gear - get a grip, clutching for dear Division 1 life at the end does most definitely not betoken such! :)
Hello Division 2 :)
It was getting on a bit last night and a few beers had been consumed so maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, so let me clarify what I meant by Kerry playing in 3rd gear. I just felt that due to the ridiculously lop sided AI championship we have, Tyrone and Kerry are at very different stages of their preparation. Kerry know that regardless of what happens when they eventually play Cork in Munster that they will be in Croke Park on AI quarter final day and are training to peak then, 4 months down the line. Tyrone need to peak in a few weeks time for an away trip to Ballybofey followed by (hopefully) a clash with Armagh etc. As a result I felt that Kerry looked a bit leggy and Tyrone seemed a bit sharper and fitter, especially in the last 15 mins. My comment about 3rd gear related to the relative ease at which they generated scores and kept the ball while Tyrone had to work much harder for scores.
With regards to Kerry's fouling - of course they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that for years. But I was only focusing my post on one element of the game that I thought had been the biggest talking point this past week, as many people felt this ultra defensive system was ruining the game and no attacking tactics could overcome it. Kerry showed (like they did in the AI final against Donegal) how redundant the tactic can be when you fall behind, by playing the ball around the 45m line, spreading it wide, keeping possession as the blanket looks on waiting for you to attack them. They kept the ball for nearly 3 mins yesterday from the 65th minute as Tyrone were chasing the game. This eventually led to a well worked point as they spread the defence from one side of the pitch to another until an opening was found. I for one enjoyed watching how the tactics unfolded!
As for Tyrone, I think in patches we showed what we are capable of when let of the leash and when 4 down, like the Derry game, we were able to score relatively quickly but once we did we retreated to form. I must say, Tyrones tackling is actually very good and is often over looked. Yesterday we only gave away 10 frees to Kerry's 34. Against Dublin it was something like 5 or 6. If only we could cope with the high ball and work a bit of pace into our attacks! :)
Also, for 3 mins towards the end of the first half we pumped a few long balls in on top of Sean Cavanagh and he was winning them all and a few scoring chances resulted. We barely kicked one in during the second half - strange!
Agree with your comment re. How to overcome the blanket. When Kerry had possession the wing backs and forwards hugged the touch line dragging the Tyrone blanket so wide that there were inevitable holes and Sheehan, Maher and Buckley all scored long range points from space as a result.
In terms of third gear - the talent on their bench probably meant that was as high as they could go! Tyrone played well in patches. McCurry is still too far away from goals on too many occasions in my opinion. Tyrone had success when they mixed their game a little but didn't do it often enough.
A team never gets relegated on the back of one game so no complaints - a poor league campaign literally from the first game and we deserved to go down. Last eight in AI series will be a triumph.
Beat Mayo, drew with Dubs and Kerry and should have beaten Cork....weird relegation.
Took a look at div 2 for next season. We'll be there for a while.
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2015, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 06, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Bennyharp, mostly a great post, but for the rest - take a hike for yourself sir! Kerry knew exactly what blatant fouling they could get away with, and routinely blocking the Tyrone runner off the ball went equally unpunished.
3rd gear - get a grip, clutching for dear Division 1 life at the end does most definitely not betoken such! :)
Hello Division 2 :)
It was getting on a bit last night and a few beers had been consumed so maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, so let me clarify what I meant by Kerry playing in 3rd gear. I just felt that due to the ridiculously lop sided AI championship we have, Tyrone and Kerry are at very different stages of their preparation. Kerry know that regardless of what happens when they eventually play Cork in Munster that they will be in Croke Park on AI quarter final day and are training to peak then, 4 months down the line. Tyrone need to peak in a few weeks time for an away trip to Ballybofey followed by (hopefully) a clash with Armagh etc. As a result I felt that Kerry looked a bit leggy and Tyrone seemed a bit sharper and fitter, especially in the last 15 mins. My comment about 3rd gear related to the relative ease at which they generated scores and kept the ball while Tyrone seemed to work much harder for scores. If Kerry were flat out for this would they have started without O'Sullivan or Geaney? Would they have waited so long to bring on Gooch? Don't fool yourself, this wasn't a Kerry team anywhere near full tilt yesterday, they never are in April. Put it this way, I would be worried if the two sides met in August.
With regards to Kerry's fouling - of course they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that for years. But I was only focusing my post on one element of the game that I thought had been the biggest talking point this past week, as many people felt this ultra defensive system was ruining the game and no attacking tactics could overcome it. Kerry showed (like they did late on, in the AI final against Donegal) how redundant the tactic can be when you fall behind on the scoreboard, by playing the ball around the 45m line, spreading it wide, keeping possession as the blanket looks on waiting for you to attack them. They kept the ball for nearly 3 mins yesterday from the 65th minute as Tyrone were chasing the game. This eventually led to a well worked point as they spread the defence from one side of the pitch to another until an opening was found. I for one enjoyed watching how the tactics unfolded!
As for Tyrone, I think in patches we showed what we are capable of when let of the leash and when 4 down, like the Derry game, we were able to score relatively quickly but once we did we retreated to form. I must say, Tyrones tackling is actually very good and is often over looked. Yesterday we only gave away 10 frees to Kerry's 34. Against Dublin it was something like 5 or 6. If only we could cope with the high ball and work a bit of pace into our attacks! :)
Also, for 3 mins towards the end of the first half we pumped a few long balls in on top of Sean Cavanagh and he was winning them all and a few scoring chances resulted. We barely kicked one in during the second half - strange!
Have to agree with a lot of what Benny is saying here - Kerry looked in control for a lot of the game and every player knew what they were at regarding specific game plans and their individual role within the plan. As Benny says they held on to the ball at ease in last 10 minutes toying with Tyrone and then when they realise it was 1v1 or 2v2 inside they would hit great diagonal ball to the inside 2 of Donaghy or Geaney and get a shot away. I felt Tyrone were good in patches and seemed much better when the defensive mindset is forgot about and we attacked at will but there is no plan. Looked sharper but that is to be expected - we have to peak in 5 weeks, kerry have to peak in late July or early August at the earliest
Why is McCurry so far away from goals whilst in 1st half he was inside 45 on his own..?
Several times in 2nd half when game had opened up we turned ball over successfully in middle 3rd but instead of early ball inside where there was room we delayed and this allowed Kerry to filter back. Ronie O Neill came on and we never hit him with early ball once. Don't tell me that there was no room, there was and loads of it if ball was hit early. If there was no room, then why did we not do what we done in last 5 minutes of 1st half and put Cavanagh inside on his own and hit him long and high which was successful also. We don't seem to know what plan to play at different stages of the game - Kerry never deviated from their plan. They attack with width (players nearly on sideline), bring it back into middle onto the runners shoulder and shoot from 35-45 yards. They always pass diagonally, never in straight lines therefore always dragging players out of position. They have some fine players and no.2 Paul Murphy had exceptional game, scored 2 points from play, had goal chance saved and was always available. Kerry could have scored 2 more goals - Murphys chance which was great save and Donaghys fisted effort towards the end could have been a goal if required.
However, all is not lost from Tyrone perspective. Yes, we are up against it in few weeks time but surely we cannot beat Donegal at their own game - maybe yesterday has highlighted that we are an attacking team but need to be more defensively smarter when we lose possession. As someone said earlier, Kerry always had 2 extra men back inside their own half but the key element to their game is how they delay their opponents build up be it by fouling, pulling, dragging, blocking or whatever is needed. Our lads are novices at this defensive mind set and you cant expect to compete with the Donegal of this world after 3 months working at it when they have mastered it over 5 seasons.
I hope I am wrong but sincerely doubt it. Wednesday night will be taster for what to expect in few weeks time but I think our U-21's are tuned in better to the defensive and attacking set up and have played it well to date so expect a victory but it will be close.
Quote from: Mikhailov on April 06, 2015, 11:43:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2015, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 06, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Bennyharp, mostly a great post, but for the rest - take a hike for yourself sir! Kerry knew exactly what blatant fouling they could get away with, and routinely blocking the Tyrone runner off the ball went equally unpunished.
3rd gear - get a grip, clutching for dear Division 1 life at the end does most definitely not betoken such! :)
Hello Division 2 :)
It was getting on a bit last night and a few beers had been consumed so maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, so let me clarify what I meant by Kerry playing in 3rd gear. I just felt that due to the ridiculously lop sided AI championship we have, Tyrone and Kerry are at very different stages of their preparation. Kerry know that regardless of what happens when they eventually play Cork in Munster that they will be in Croke Park on AI quarter final day and are training to peak then, 4 months down the line. Tyrone need to peak in a few weeks time for an away trip to Ballybofey followed by (hopefully) a clash with Armagh etc. As a result I felt that Kerry looked a bit leggy and Tyrone seemed a bit sharper and fitter, especially in the last 15 mins. My comment about 3rd gear related to the relative ease at which they generated scores and kept the ball while Tyrone seemed to work much harder for scores. If Kerry were flat out for this would they have started without O'Sullivan or Geaney? Would they have waited so long to bring on Gooch? Don't fool yourself, this wasn't a Kerry team anywhere near full tilt yesterday, they never are in April. Put it this way, I would be worried if the two sides met in August.
With regards to Kerry's fouling - of course they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that for years. But I was only focusing my post on one element of the game that I thought had been the biggest talking point this past week, as many people felt this ultra defensive system was ruining the game and no attacking tactics could overcome it. Kerry showed (like they did late on, in the AI final against Donegal) how redundant the tactic can be when you fall behind on the scoreboard, by playing the ball around the 45m line, spreading it wide, keeping possession as the blanket looks on waiting for you to attack them. They kept the ball for nearly 3 mins yesterday from the 65th minute as Tyrone were chasing the game. This eventually led to a well worked point as they spread the defence from one side of the pitch to another until an opening was found. I for one enjoyed watching how the tactics unfolded!
As for Tyrone, I think in patches we showed what we are capable of when let of the leash and when 4 down, like the Derry game, we were able to score relatively quickly but once we did we retreated to form. I must say, Tyrones tackling is actually very good and is often over looked. Yesterday we only gave away 10 frees to Kerry's 34. Against Dublin it was something like 5 or 6. If only we could cope with the high ball and work a bit of pace into our attacks! :)
Also, for 3 mins towards the end of the first half we pumped a few long balls in on top of Sean Cavanagh and he was winning them all and a few scoring chances resulted. We barely kicked one in during the second half - strange!
Have to agree with a lot of what Benny is saying here - Kerry looked in control for a lot of the game and every player knew what they were at regarding specific game plans and their individual role within the plan. As Benny says they held on to the ball at ease in last 10 minutes toying with Tyrone and then when they realise it was 1v1 or 2v2 inside they would hit great diagonal ball to the inside 2 of Donaghy or Geaney and get a shot away. I felt Tyrone were good in patches and seemed much better when the defensive mindset is forgot about and we attacked at will but there is no plan. Looked sharper but that is to be expected - we have to peak in 5 weeks, kerry have to peak in late July or early August at the earliest
Why is McCurry so far away from goals whilst in 1st half he was inside 45 on his own..?
Several times in 2nd half when game had opened up we turned ball over successfully in middle 3rd but instead of early ball inside where there was room we delayed and this allowed Kerry to filter back. Ronie O Neill came on and we never hit him with early ball once. Don't tell me that there was no room, there was and loads of it if ball was hit early. If there was no room, then why did we not do what we done in last 5 minutes of 1st half and put Cavanagh inside on his own and hit him long and high which was successful also. We don't seem to know what plan to play at different stages of the game - Kerry never deviated from their plan. They attack with width (players nearly on sideline), bring it back into middle onto the runners shoulder and shoot from 35-45 yards. They always pass diagonally, never in straight lines therefore always dragging players out of position. They have some fine players and no.2 Paul Murphy had exceptional game, scored 2 points from play, had goal chance saved and was always available. Kerry could have scored 2 more goals - Murphys chance which was great save and Donaghys fisted effort towards the end could have been a goal if required.
However, all is not lost from Tyrone perspective. Yes, we are up against it in few weeks time but surely we cannot beat Donegal at their own game - maybe yesterday has highlighted that we are an attacking team but need to be more defensively smarter when we lose possession. As someone said earlier, Kerry always had 2 extra men back inside their own half but the key element to their game is how they delay their opponents build up be it by fouling, pulling, dragging, blocking or whatever is needed. Our lads are novices at this defensive mind set and you cant expect to compete with the Donegal of this world after 3 months working at it when they have mastered it over 5 seasons.
I hope I am wrong but sincerely doubt it. Wednesday night will be taster for what to expect in few weeks time but I think our U-21's are tuned in better to the defensive and attacking set up and have played it well to date so expect a victory but it will be close.
I thought that was Tyrone's game,.......they just stole that game away from Tyrone.
But I could be mistaken.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 06, 2015, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 05, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
As it was a draw between Donegal and Mayo, a one-point Tyrone win would have relegated Kerry on the head-to-head rule. Would the benches/management be aware of what was happening in Castlebar?
Are you sure?
Kerry ended up -11 scoring diff and Tyrone -14. Tyrone need to win by 2 to take this to -13 Kerry and -12 Tyrone.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 06, 2015, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 05, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
As it was a draw between Donegal and Mayo, a one-point Tyrone win would have relegated Kerry on the head-to-head rule. Would the benches/management be aware of what was happening in Castlebar?
Are you sure?
Kerry ended up -11 scoring diff and Tyrone -14. Tyrone need to win by 2 to take this to -13 Kerry and -12 Tyrone.
Because of the draw in the Donegal Mayo game, Kerry and Tyrone would be the only 2 teams on 6 points if Tyrone won by a point. When 2 teams are level on points, the head-to-head is used first which would meant Tyrone would have stayed up; it's only when there is 3 teams or more than scoring difference is used.
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 06, 2015, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 06, 2015, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 05, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
As it was a draw between Donegal and Mayo, a one-point Tyrone win would have relegated Kerry on the head-to-head rule. Would the benches/management be aware of what was happening in Castlebar?
Are you sure?
Kerry ended up -11 scoring diff and Tyrone -14. Tyrone need to win by 2 to take this to -13 Kerry and -12 Tyrone.
Because of the draw in the Donegal Mayo game, Kerry and Tyrone would be the only 2 teams on 6 points if Tyrone won by a point. When 2 teams are level on points, the head-to-head is used first which would meant Tyrone would have stayed up; it's only when there is 3 teams or more than scoring difference is used.
You're right. Apologies.
I had blanked out the potential of Donegal and Mayo drawing as I thought it unlikely. As yo say it would be interesting to know what the bench knew.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2015, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on April 06, 2015, 03:01:55 PM
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on April 06, 2015, 12:52:52 PM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on April 06, 2015, 03:57:04 AM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 08:13:49 PM
Quote from: omagh_gael on April 05, 2015, 08:06:04 PM
Quote from: tyroneman on April 05, 2015, 06:48:33 PM
Mystified as to why mcCurry pointed with us needing a goal. Crazy decision making.
Could at least have lobbed it into the square.
We were a point down at that stage, so needed to score 4 to stay up. I am thinking McCurry took the easy point thinking about one last chance for goal afterwards.
Two evenly matched teams today, Kerry were ruthless when presented with a goal chance, we were toothless in front of goal. You'd have hoped for better with the two most experienced men on the park at the end of the move. Ah well, focus on Ballybofey now.
Well done Kerry.
We were a point down and needed 3 to stay up........goal would have done it
As it was a draw between Donegal and Mayo, a one-point Tyrone win would have relegated Kerry on the head-to-head rule. Would the benches/management be aware of what was happening in Castlebar?
Are you sure?
Kerry ended up -11 scoring diff and Tyrone -14. Tyrone need to win by 2 to take this to -13 Kerry and -12 Tyrone.
Because of the draw in the Donegal Mayo game, Kerry and Tyrone would be the only 2 teams on 6 points if Tyrone won by a point. When 2 teams are level on points, the head-to-head is used first which would meant Tyrone would have stayed up; it's only when there is 3 teams or more than scoring difference is used.
You're right. Apologies.
I had blanked out the potential of Donegal and Mayo drawing as I thought it unlikely. As yo say it would be interesting to know what the bench knew.
Yeah I wonder if those involved did the same (discount the possibility of a draw) For both sides I think it was all about avoiding relegation and letting the results elsewhere fall where they would. I don't think it would have affected Tyrone too much but can't help but think that Kerry might have pushed on a bit more if they knew that Donegal and Mayo were drawing and that a single point would get them a semi-final spot - they played a world of keep ball in the last 10 minutes.
Fair play to kerry they gave us a quare game. Some great supporters with them as well. Great to see Cooper back and mcmahon. Well pleased with Tyrone hard luck to the team and management and the performance gives us a bit of hope for the ulster championship.
Quote from: CD on April 06, 2015, 08:07:40 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on April 06, 2015, 07:32:35 AM
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on April 06, 2015, 02:56:08 AM
Bennyharp, mostly a great post, but for the rest - take a hike for yourself sir! Kerry knew exactly what blatant fouling they could get away with, and routinely blocking the Tyrone runner off the ball went equally unpunished.
3rd gear - get a grip, clutching for dear Division 1 life at the end does most definitely not betoken such! :)
Hello Division 2 :)
It was getting on a bit last night and a few beers had been consumed so maybe I didn't phrase that correctly, so let me clarify what I meant by Kerry playing in 3rd gear. I just felt that due to the ridiculously lop sided AI championship we have, Tyrone and Kerry are at very different stages of their preparation. Kerry know that regardless of what happens when they eventually play Cork in Munster that they will be in Croke Park on AI quarter final day and are training to peak then, 4 months down the line. Tyrone need to peak in a few weeks time for an away trip to Ballybofey followed by (hopefully) a clash with Armagh etc. As a result I felt that Kerry looked a bit leggy and Tyrone seemed a bit sharper and fitter, especially in the last 15 mins. My comment about 3rd gear related to the relative ease at which they generated scores and kept the ball while Tyrone had to work much harder for scores.
With regards to Kerry's fouling - of course they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that for years. But I was only focusing my post on one element of the game that I thought had been the biggest talking point this past week, as many people felt this ultra defensive system was ruining the game and no attacking tactics could overcome it. Kerry showed (like they did in the AI final against Donegal) how redundant the tactic can be when you fall behind, by playing the ball around the 45m line, spreading it wide, keeping possession as the blanket looks on waiting for you to attack them. They kept the ball for nearly 3 mins yesterday from the 65th minute as Tyrone were chasing the game. This eventually led to a well worked point as they spread the defence from one side of the pitch to another until an opening was found. I for one enjoyed watching how the tactics unfolded!
As for Tyrone, I think in patches we showed what we are capable of when let of the leash and when 4 down, like the Derry game, we were able to score relatively quickly but once we did we retreated to form. I must say, Tyrones tackling is actually very good and is often over looked. Yesterday we only gave away 10 frees to Kerry's 34. Against Dublin it was something like 5 or 6. If only we could cope with the high ball and work a bit of pace into our attacks! :)
Also, for 3 mins towards the end of the first half we pumped a few long balls in on top of Sean Cavanagh and he was winning them all and a few scoring chances resulted. We barely kicked one in during the second half - strange!
Agree with your comment re. How to overcome the blanket. When Kerry had possession the wing backs and forwards hugged the touch line dragging the Tyrone blanket so wide that there were inevitable holes and Sheehan, Maher and Buckley all scored long range points from space as a result.
In terms of third gear - the talent on their bench probably meant that was as high as they could go! Tyrone played well in patches. McCurry is still too far away from goals on too many occasions in my opinion. Tyrone had success when they mixed their game a little but didn't do it often enough.
A team never gets relegated on the back of one game so no complaints - a poor league campaign literally from the first game and we deserved to go down. Last eight in AI series will be a triumph.
Dead right.
Have Tyrone any players left. Hear a few more walked!
Quote from: Throw ball on April 08, 2015, 12:44:00 AM
Have Tyrone any players left. Hear a few more walked!
4 reported to have left on monday.
Emmett McKenna, Dwayne Quinn, Shay McGuigan & Paddy McNiece
That's shocking. The true measure of a man is to come back after setbacks. You have to keep going.
They didn't quit because of a draw with Kerry... they are winners and don't like being stuck on a bench. Back to their clubs!
Quote from: longballin on April 08, 2015, 11:07:09 PM
They didn't quit because of a draw with Kerry... they are winners and don't like being stuck on a bench. Back to their clubs!
Whatever happened to serving your time ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 09, 2015, 02:30:01 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 08, 2015, 11:07:09 PM
They didn't quit because of a draw with Kerry... they are winners and don't like being stuck on a bench. Back to their clubs!
Whatever happened to serving your time ?
Putting aside your obsession with all things Tyrone for one minute, Mike. Have you anything to add with regards the actual game? Or did you even watch it?
Mike you haven't a clue about these players circumstances. Shay McGuigan explained his decision in today's papers. He's a brother of Brian and Tommy, the boys who made youse Kerry lads cry ;)
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 09, 2015, 02:30:01 AM
Quote from: longballin on April 08, 2015, 11:07:09 PM
They didn't quit because of a draw with Kerry... they are winners and don't like being stuck on a bench. Back to their clubs!
Whatever happened to serving your time ?
It's football, not a prison sentence.
Ah lads, give it a rest. Mike Sheehy is a clown..probably not even from Kerry. Don't feed the troll.
Has yet another player left?
Owen Mulligan has had his say on it -
"I remember the time not so long ago it use to be an honour to play for Tyrone. Now it's a chore #changedtimes."
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 09, 2015, 10:57:37 PM
Ah lads, give it a rest. Mike Sheehy is a clown..probably not even from Kerry. Don't feed the troll.
How long have you been on this board ?
Quote from: Mike Sheehy on April 10, 2015, 12:19:27 PM
Quote from: Ciarrai_thuaidh on April 09, 2015, 10:57:37 PM
Ah lads, give it a rest. Mike Sheehy is a clown..probably not even from Kerry. Don't feed the troll.
How long have you been on this board ?
May 2008. Quite a while to recognise your skullduggery.
aye trolling about everytime Tyrone is mentioned just because they made youse boys cry :'(