East wall #Irelandisfull

Started by Truth hurts, January 04, 2023, 11:06:41 AM

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Truth hurts

What is everyone's take on this?
I thought they were right wing nuts but the stabbing in Killarney has annoyed me.

Armagh18

Quote from: Truth hurts on January 04, 2023, 11:06:41 AM
What is everyone's take on this?
I thought they were right wing nuts but the stabbing in Killarney has annoyed me.
The truth as always will be somewhere in the middle. Theres people who want totally open borders with any Tom Dick and Harry coming in, then theres nutters who think every black/brown person is a terrorist, rapist or murderer.

general_lee

Ireland's not full, the population still hasn't recovered from the 1800s.
There is a housing crisis and the far right have decided to blame people fleeing extreme poverty, war-torn countries and dictatorships rather than the people responsible ie FFG.
I don't think anyone is arguing for open borders either, but the system could definitely be more robust.

Saffrongael

You can have concerns about unchecked immigration without being a right wing loon
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

Armagh18

Quote from: Saffrongael on January 04, 2023, 12:15:41 PM
You can have concerns about unchecked immigration without being a right wing loon
Agreed. But theres plenty of people who can't have that conversation. As soon as someone expresses any reservations they are banded in the same category as that Gemma O'Doherty or whatever her name is.

seafoid

There should be public information sessions about why Government policy is as it is.
The real problem is neoliberalism and the ban on social housing.
Ireland could build social housing in rural Ireland when it was poor so money is not the issue.

Over a century ago the people took on the landlords and their land was subdivided. Something similar needs to happen again.
We need another Michael Davitt.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

clarshack

you can't just stick 300-400 young single males (regardless of colour) into a local community without any kind of consultation, but anyone who raises concerns is branded a racist.

Rossfan

What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Saffrongael

Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.

Or Albania
Let no-one say the best hurlers belong to the past. They are with us now, and better yet to come

seafoid

Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

From the Bunker

3,500+ People got on a vessel of some kind to this country with papers and got off without any. What have they to hide?

Most people are to busy to know or notice what is going on.

There are legitimate cases and there are outright chancers taking advantage.

(Like everything else) There is more to our present situation than we are told.


NAG1

Quote from: seafoid on January 04, 2023, 12:36:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
As for "full" Holland is half the size of Ireland but has up to 3 times the population.
Have they a housing "crisis"?
We need to replace Neoliberalism in housing and go back to the 1922 to 1991 social democratic model.
Holland is a great bunch of lands but it is hopelessly overpopulated. So is Belgium.
There is a region that covers South East England, the Benelux countries and parts of Northern Germany
and population per sq km is over 300 - way more than in most of the rest of Europe.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/ae7stj/europe_population_density_map/

Also look at the social and societal problems in Holland and Belgium as a result, there should be red flags about this approach and take some of the learning on board before these begin.

But going by some of the footage of some areas of Dublin recently the 'foreigners' are the least of the problem. (That's not to diminish genuine concerns in other areas either)

general_lee

Quote from: Rossfan on January 04, 2023, 12:25:00 PM
What persecution is there in Georgia or who is being persecuted?
Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced after the war with Russia, many of whom were never able to return. I could probably be a bit more up to speed on the geopolitical situation in that particular region but I'd imagine there's still a few hostilities brewing?

highorlow

Not the wisest idea to mix Georgian's with Algerians below in Kerry.
They get momentum, they go mad, here they go

Rudi

#14
Its pretty obvious to me that Ireland is full, in terms of infrastructure that meets accept health & safety criteria. Our local village / town has taken in about 160 from the Ukraine. They live in substandard conditions, heaps of them packed into small hastily partitioned rooms, the building previously a dis-used factory. The building does not meet heath & safety regulations, yet a blind eye is turned to this, the fat cats that own the building (local scumbags / politicans etc) are cleaning up money wise, its a gravy train for the usual suspects.
My daughters class has gone from 26 pupils to 36 pupils in a year, she & all of their class mates are not getting a half decent education. The sewerage system / drinking water infrastructure can't handle the sudden shock increase in population. Saying Ireland is full goes beyond perceived living square miles of open space.
I feel sorry for Ukrainians & others who are genuine in their applications for political assylum, we do need as a country to try & do our best to accommodate them as best we can. Open borders to everybody should not exist, people who come here over the age of 22 should contribute to society, as regards people who come here & cause bother, they should be fucked out straight away, no ifs no buts no bleeding hearts.
I have mixed views on East Wall, some God dam awful racist pricks involved, but putting 300 males into a village / esb buliding not fit for use, without consultation is not a good idea. Again what ammenities, resources do these people have.
On a national level do we have enough hospital beds, teachers, GP's etc, civil service personnel, Police to cater for a sharp rise in population? We don't, so we are full. Sinn Fein the peoples party have remained very silent on all this.

Another thing people are annoyed with, why dont some of these settlements end up in leafy addresses in D4 etc.