After Derry's two brilliants victories against the current All Ireland champions and last seasons defeated Ulster finalists we will go into this game with no fear. My big concern was the poor return on long kickouts. Galway hurt us in the league with a full press. Donegal have to do the same to utilise the height size they have in the middle third. The Derry keeper is going to have to be brave and give more shorts as he definitely was reluctant at times to give balls that were on yesterday. Gallagher is going to know Donegal well, which will help. Can Bonner adapt to Derrys game plan, very McGuiness type with a quick transition. Mc Kindless the new Lacey? Mc Closkey to Brennan, Mc Kaigue to Mc Bearty. Rogers to Murphy, Cassidy to EB Gallagher. Many conversations between now and Sunday week.
This game will be a hard watch for the neutral but I think Derry are the real deal now and will win by 2.
I'm fearful myself. Not that I think we don't have the players to beat Derry, but our system of play is too one-dimensional and predictable. Ban Gallagher, McHugh and Mogan are excellent at punching holes and trying to create opportunities for others, but you can't rely on that 90% of the time, especially when our long range shooters like Langan and Thompson have missed much of the season so far and, in the case of Langan especially, are yet to get anywhere near their best form. And especially when we often go short on the kick outs and spend at least a minute passing across and back, allowing the opposition to flood back into position. I think Derry will eat us alive if we don't vary things and try to get some quicker ball up the field to Murphy and McBrearty. We are reasonably strong in midfield, but so were Monaghan, so we can't rely on possession and pressure on the kick outs to tip it, especially with the likes of Glass in there.
And we definitely can't leave the back line exposed, one-on-one, to quick ball into Derry forwards in space like we did in the first half against Cavan. If I recall correctly, Cassidy did a lot of damage for Derry against us up the right wing of our defense last year. Bonner will have a decision to make with McFadden-Ferry: does he bring him back in and sacrifice Mogan or Ward (who was very good in both of his games so far). Mogan would be a loss, but might have to be held in reserve at least at the start. But, if Bonner decides to go defensive to mirror Derry, maybe you'd need him for those fast breaks when possession is turned over?
Whatever way we line out, I think Derry are on a mission. I'll be very (pleasantly) surprised if we win this.
Also Mc Hugh needs tagged, no doubt about that, more so than Brennan, Mc Closkey perhaps with Mc Grogan tagging Brennan.
Absolute snorefest of a final
I would love to see this young, naive but steadily improving Derry side do it but I think Donegal will be too streetwise and crafty. Donegal by 2 points.
Derry win this by 4 imo, Donegal don't do well against packed defences and I don't think Bonnar has the nous to unpick it. I can imagine it being a pretty poor spectacle.
I'm conflicted, id love Derry to win on one hand but I can't stand Rory Gallagher and especially the carry on he's at on the line. He wants a good kick in the bollox.
I think Derry are a one trick pony. Donegal will mirror them and it'll come down to who has the better players and that's Donegal.
If any Donegal player/mentor wants to take one for the team and meet Gallagher with a shoulder during one of his sideline fits, he'll be hailed as a hero.
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
I think Derry are a one trick pony. Donegal will mirror them and it'll come down to who has the better players and that's Donegal.
If any Donegal player/mentor wants to take one for the team and meet Gallagher with a shoulder during one of his sideline fits, he'll be hailed as a hero.
I agree with this
This will be 2 teams in a bore fest with 2 teams camped in their defence. Donegal will eventually open it up as they have by far the better set of players.
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
I think Derry are a one trick pony. Donegal will mirror them and it'll come down to who has the better players and that's Donegal.
If any Donegal player/mentor wants to take one for the team and meet Gallagher with a shoulder during one of his sideline fits, he'll be hailed as a hero.
Which is?
Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
I think Derry are a one trick pony. Donegal will mirror them and it'll come down to who has the better players and that's Donegal.
If any Donegal player/mentor wants to take one for the team and meet Gallagher with a shoulder during one of his sideline fits, he'll be hailed as a hero.
Did a Tyrone player not try that? Worked well.
Derry be happy to go into the game as underdogs, they a work in progress as can be seen by the age of the subs, def need Loughlin fit, for at least frees alone, but Hamstring Injury hard to clean up within 2weeks.
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Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
I think Derry are a one trick pony. Donegal will mirror them and it'll come down to who has the better players and that's Donegal.
If any Donegal player/mentor wants to take one for the team and meet Gallagher with a shoulder during one of his sideline fits, he'll be hailed as a hero.
Which is?
Pack the defence and break at pace. They're doing it very well, I just can't see Donegal being as accommodating as Monaghan were.
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Quote from: Westside on May 16, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
I think Derry are a one trick pony. Donegal will mirror them and it'll come down to who has the better players and that's Donegal.
If any Donegal player/mentor wants to take one for the team and meet Gallagher with a shoulder during one of his sideline fits, he'll be hailed as a hero.
Did a Tyrone player not try that? Worked well.
They could wait until later in the game when he's dehydrated from the excessive hand licking.
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
south Derry need to get more points on the scoreboard.
Goals are good, very good but I'm sure Gallagher would be happy to be hitting 17 or 18 points...with 1 goal added in.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Jesus SE Glass is on that list.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Jesus SE Glass is on that list.
Maybe but I wouldn't say so yet.
I thought Kearns was better than him on Sunday. The Donegal game will be a big test as they have a very good midfield.
If we are within a point or two at half time I trust our lads to kick on and get the win in the 2nd half. We just can't allow Derry to build up a lead. Goals will be massive in this game. I think Cavan was good preparation for us as I think both sides are excellent defensively and break at pace with good quality up front. Derry are maybe further along than Cavan but I would say Cavan have the edge over Derry in terms of their own kickouts, and we got some joy there when we pushed up.
I think we can't rely on the usual slow possession game because I think Derry will lap that up. We need to get up the field at pace. Need Langan to show how good he is in this game as well. I expect Murphy to spend a lot of time out the field because there won't be any space inside at all and he'll not get a sniff with the bodies that will be in there. Who picks up McKinless is a big big call and I'm not really sure what way we should play it. I feel McFadden-Ferry may be the man for it but hard to know. I don't really like the half back line of EBG, Ryan and Mogan because I think it's too light, but I feel that Bonner won't change it. Caolan Ward, if fit, should start, he has been very good this year. So if McFadden-Ferry comes in, it might be for Shane O'Donnell. Would be harsh on SOD but he struggled against Cavan (as did the whole half forward line). I think Patton has to go long, even if Derry are giving us the short kickout he should still try to get us up the pitch faster. He's good enough to pick out the right man and his kickouts against Cavan were excellent.
But like I say if we're close enough to them going in to the 2nd half I think we will kick on.
I think we're in a handy enough spot, nobody seems to rate us this year and we haven't been firing as well as we can just yet. Armagh were the team to beat, and we did that pulling up. Cavan are miles better than the league position or anyone gave them credit for going into that semi-final, and we got over the line there in a really good match I thought. I think Cavan and Derry are two of the worst match ups for Donegal specifically, they are both well set up to counter our strengths and expose our weaknesses. But I think/hope we have enough quality to see us through. If we get over Derry, I would fancy us to make some noise (finally) in the All-Ireland series.
There's no doubt Derry are coming, but hopefully we can delay their breakthrough one more year.
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 17, 2022, 11:18:57 AM
If we are within a point or two at half time I trust our lads to kick on and get the win in the 2nd half. We just can't allow Derry to build up a lead. Goals will be massive in this game. I think Cavan was good preparation for us as I think both sides are excellent defensively and break at pace with good quality up front. Derry are maybe further along than Cavan but I would say Cavan have the edge over Derry in terms of their own kickouts, and we got some joy there when we pushed up.
I think we can't rely on the usual slow possession game because I think Derry will lap that up. We need to get up the field at pace. Need Langan to show how good he is in this game as well. I expect Murphy to spend a lot of time out the field because there won't be any space inside at all and he'll not get a sniff with the bodies that will be in there. Who picks up McKinless is a big big call and I'm not really sure what way we should play it. I feel McFadden-Ferry may be the man for it but hard to know. I don't really like the half back line of EBG, Ryan and Mogan because I think it's too light, but I feel that Bonner won't change it. Caolan Ward, if fit, should start, he has been very good this year. So if McFadden-Ferry comes in, it might be for Shane O'Donnell. Would be harsh on SOD but he struggled against Cavan (as did the whole half forward line). I think Patton has to go long, even if Derry are giving us the short kickout he should still try to get us up the pitch faster. He's good enough to pick out the right man and his kickouts against Cavan were excellent.
But like I say if we're close enough to them going in to the 2nd half I think we will kick on.
I think we're in a handy enough spot, nobody seems to rate us this year and we haven't been firing as well as we can just yet. Armagh were the team to beat, and we did that pulling up. Cavan are miles better than the league position or anyone gave them credit for going into that semi-final, and we got over the line there in a really good match I thought. I think Cavan and Derry are two of the worst match ups for Donegal specifically, they are both well set up to counter our strengths and expose our weaknesses. But I think/hope we have enough quality to see us through. If we get over Derry, I would fancy us to make some noise (finally) in the All-Ireland series.
There's no doubt Derry are coming, but hopefully we can delay their breakthrough one more year.
Very little between the two teams last year. Who has learned the most?
Will the match ups be the same or will either manager throw a curve ball?
Could be cagey enough and be a tactical war.
Gallagher will know more about Donegal than anybody else.
Still think Derry need more points on the scoreboard but they haven't conceded a goal yet and haven't looked likely either - which is a good sign.
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Quote from: JoeSoap on May 17, 2022, 11:18:57 AM
If we are within a point or two at half time I trust our lads to kick on and get the win in the 2nd half. We just can't allow Derry to build up a lead. Goals will be massive in this game. I think Cavan was good preparation for us as I think both sides are excellent defensively and break at pace with good quality up front. Derry are maybe further along than Cavan but I would say Cavan have the edge over Derry in terms of their own kickouts, and we got some joy there when we pushed up.
I think we can't rely on the usual slow possession game because I think Derry will lap that up. We need to get up the field at pace. Need Langan to show how good he is in this game as well. I expect Murphy to spend a lot of time out the field because there won't be any space inside at all and he'll not get a sniff with the bodies that will be in there. Who picks up McKinless is a big big call and I'm not really sure what way we should play it. I feel McFadden-Ferry may be the man for it but hard to know. I don't really like the half back line of EBG, Ryan and Mogan because I think it's too light, but I feel that Bonner won't change it. Caolan Ward, if fit, should start, he has been very good this year. So if McFadden-Ferry comes in, it might be for Shane O'Donnell. Would be harsh on SOD but he struggled against Cavan (as did the whole half forward line). I think Patton has to go long, even if Derry are giving us the short kickout he should still try to get us up the pitch faster. He's good enough to pick out the right man and his kickouts against Cavan were excellent.
But like I say if we're close enough to them going in to the 2nd half I think we will kick on.
I think we're in a handy enough spot, nobody seems to rate us this year and we haven't been firing as well as we can just yet. Armagh were the team to beat, and we did that pulling up. Cavan are miles better than the league position or anyone gave them credit for going into that semi-final, and we got over the line there in a really good match I thought. I think Cavan and Derry are two of the worst match ups for Donegal specifically, they are both well set up to counter our strengths and expose our weaknesses. But I think/hope we have enough quality to see us through. If we get over Derry, I would fancy us to make some noise (finally) in the All-Ireland series.
There's no doubt Derry are coming, but hopefully we can delay their breakthrough one more year.
Very little between the two teams last year. Who has learned the most?
Will the match ups be the same or will either manager throw a curve ball?
Could be cagey enough and be a tactical war.
Gallagher will know more about Donegal than anybody else.
Still think Derry need more points on the scoreboard but they haven't conceded a goal yet and haven't looked likely either - which is a good sign.
if we match up the same as last year we may as well hand over the Ulster title in the first minute. Ryan was on McKinless last year and it just didn't work at all, trying it again would be madness with the form McKinless is in this year. If McFadden-Ferry doesn't come in for that I have a funny feeling EBG will be put on him.
I'd like McCole to take on McGuigan, I know he got a rough time of it against Lynch the last day out but he's been brilliant all year and I think he's capable of having a great battle with McGuigan there.
Goals will be the big one. If either team raise a green flag while keeping the other out the other end, I think that will be the decisive score. It can be a bit simplistic to say but I think with momentum in the match and everything a goal will just be massive.
Gallagher knows us inside out so I do think Derry have an edge on the line.
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I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Jesus SE Glass is on that list.
Maybe but I wouldn't say so yet.
I thought Kearns was better than him on Sunday. The Donegal game will be a big test as they have a very good midfield.
Kearns definitely out fielded Glass on occasions in the 2nd half, but Glass was by far the stand out midfielder on Sunday. His driving forward, covering, link play all top top level.
It's just brilliant to be in the final and heading down with a chance of winning. Can't ask for more at this stage. We've the defenders to match up on paper, but anything can happen on the day etc
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2022, 11:30:46 AM
Still think Derry need more points on the scoreboard but they haven't conceded a goal yet and haven't looked likely either - which is a good sign.
21 points against Tyrone and Monaghan, you think Derry will need more than 21 points to win??
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Jesus SE Glass is on that list.
Maybe but I wouldn't say so yet.
I thought Kearns was better than him on Sunday. The Donegal game will be a big test as they have a very good midfield.
Kearns definitely out fielded Glass on occasions in the 2nd half, but Glass was by far the stand out midfielder on Sunday. His driving forward, covering, link play all top top level.
It's just brilliant to be in the final and heading down with a chance of winning. Can't ask for more at this stage. We've the defenders to match up on paper, but anything can happen on the day etc
Quote from: marty34 on May 17, 2022, 11:30:46 AM
Still think Derry need more points on the scoreboard but they haven't conceded a goal yet and haven't looked likely either - which is a good sign.
21 points against Tyrone and Monaghan, you think Derry will need more than 21 points to win??
No, but think as time/games go on may be harder to get goals.
18 pts V Tyrone (a poor Tyrone it must be added) and 12 pts V Monaghan.
Goals win matches and all that but I'm sure Gallagher would want more points.
Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2022, 10:53:11 AM
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Six of the best fifteen footballers in Ireland are in Derry?
Really?
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Quote from: screenexile on May 17, 2022, 10:53:11 AM
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Six of the best fifteen footballers in Ireland are in Derry?
Really?
In terms of talent you would say that those 6 lads are as good as any in the country, yes. I think Derry are a great example that there is real top level talent in probably every county in Ireland, you just need the structures in place and the right set up to get the best out of these players.
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I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Six of the best fifteen footballers in Ireland are in Derry?
Really?
;D ;D ;D I know, some daftees
Mc Kindless and Mc Guigan, thats it currently. Best of Glass yet to come to. More to surface in the next two seasons, particularly Ethan Doherty. with alot of good footballers developing to put us in a great position over the next five years.
Derry always has had footballing talent. There just hasn't been the county setup to match. Look at their clubs and the success they have. I don't think you have that many other counties like that. They're a while crowd for infighting is half their problem ;D
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I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Six of the best fifteen footballers in Ireland are in Derry?
Really?
;D ;D ;D I know, some daftees
Mc Kindless and Mc Guigan, thats it currently. Best of Glass yet to come to. More to surface in the next two seasons, particularly Ethan Doherty. with alot of good footballers developing to put us in a great position over the next five years.
Ethan Doherty was Derry's best player on Sunday I think.
Direct, pacy and never gave the ball away.
Set up goal and stole a brilliant ball inside Derry's own square.
Very under-rated player in comparsion to Glass.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 12:58:58 PM
Derry always has had footballing talent. There just hasn't been the county setup to match. Look at their clubs and the success they have. I don't think you have that many other counties like that. They're a while crowd for infighting is half their problem ;D
Haha, well you're right there that they have great football tradition in Derry over the years and some of the best footballers to have ever played the game. I suppose my comment is probably aimed at other counties with similar or even better pedigree to Derry - Down, Meath, Cork. Cavan as well although I think with Mickey Graham they have a brilliant coach and are on the up in my view. Down and Meath in particular, it's shocking the state they're both in.
Donegal wouldn't have had wile success over the years but always good level of talent in the county. The last 10 years have been as successful as the previous 130 though which I think goes to show if you get the right people involved you can challenge at inter county level.
Even in Donegal the club scene is strong. The appetite for the county scene has waned in a lot of counties these days. i think Down and Meath are just going through lean spells. Meath won u17 last year so maybe will surge a bit but I think Dublin's dominance has probably crippled them too. It's hard to know what's going on in Down but all is not well.
aye true but I suppose that's what I mean in terms of the right people, whether it's a manager who suddenly gets all these talented lads pulling in one direction (McGuinness in Donegal, Rory Gallagher in Derry now) or it's getting those underage structures in place and ensuring a good cohort of those young lads stick together through the grades - seems to be coming to fruition now in Kildare and hopefully that Offaly underage success will translate in a few years, and those Meath minors will hopefully come through but a lot can happen between 17 and your mid twenties when you'd expect those lads to be really hitting their peak.
Down would be my 2nd county as my mother is from there and I just shake my head at it all really. In terms of inter-county, there's an argument that they are 8th in Ulster now. As you say about Derry, it's the infighting and silly politics holding them back. Unfortunately it looks terrible in the underage setups as well that the belief has just drained out of the county completely and they're all happier competing at their clubs. I suppose there's no shame in that I just personally always think inter-county is the cream of the crop in our games.
Their underage has got strong again though so you'd expect that to improve things.
In Donegal your success creates more success. I guess you have the likes of McEniff to thank for it. McGuinness too. It's a real badge of honour to wear your county colours and it isn't like that in every county!!
The man didn't say best 15 in Ireland, 4 of them could get on most teams on Ireland, not the top pick of 15 fballers in Ireland. Just unfortunately it's not forwards McGuigan aside.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 12:58:58 PM
Derry always has had footballing talent. There just hasn't been the county setup to match. Look at their clubs and the success they have. I don't think you have that many other counties like that. They're a while crowd for infighting is half their problem ;D
The Tyrone ones would have something to say about that one ;D
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 17, 2022, 01:37:07 PM
The man didn't say best 15 in Ireland, 4 of them could get on most teams on Ireland, not the top pick of 15 fballers in Ireland. Just unfortunately it's not forwards McGuigan aside.
I'd have added McFaul to that list too before he left the panel. He must be kicking himself now.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 12:58:58 PM
Derry always has had footballing talent. There just hasn't been the county setup to match. Look at their clubs and the success they have. I don't think you have that many other counties like that. They're a while crowd for infighting is half their problem ;D
We didn't always have the talent though. Yes a few great individuals but its a 15 man game. We're aiming for our 6th minor final in 8 years. The 10 years at minor before that was pretty awful. That tells the real story to me.
Did Maghera not have a lean spell too? Always thought it was tied to that. Now you've convent and Maghera both competing.
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Quote from: nrico2006 on May 17, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
I think we are seeing Derry at their absolute best to be honest, I don't think there are any more levels to their game. They are structured well but seem to lack any real top class individuals.
Shane McGuigan walks on to any team in Ireland.
McGuigan/Rogers/McKaigue/Doherty/McKinless get on any team in Ireland.
Glass not far off either!
Six of the best fifteen footballers in Ireland are in Derry?
Really?
Not what I said.
Are they the best in their position in Ireland? Maybe not but I still think if they're training with a Kerry/Dublin/Tyrone that they would make the team.
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Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 12:58:58 PM
Derry always has had footballing talent. There just hasn't been the county setup to match. Look at their clubs and the success they have. I don't think you have that many other counties like that. They're a while crowd for infighting is half their problem ;D
Haha, well you're right there that they have great football tradition in Derry over the years and some of the best footballers to have ever played the game. I suppose my comment is probably aimed at other counties with similar or even better pedigree to Derry - Down, Meath, Cork. Cavan as well although I think with Mickey Graham they have a brilliant coach and are on the up in my view. Down and Meath in particular, it's shocking the state they're both in.
Donegal wouldn't have had wile success over the years but always good level of talent in the county. The last 10 years have been as successful as the previous 130 though which I think goes to show if you get the right people involved you can challenge at inter county level.
It's interesting to wonder what would have happened had McGuinness not come along.
Would the ability and drive of Michael Murphy have been completely squandered with maybe one or two Ulster final appearances and possibly a title?
We had other all time Donegal greats like Lacey, Cassidy, Neil McGee etc. for five years before McGuinness. We didn't win an Ulster Championship game in '08, '09 or '10. Throw in extremely talented lads like Brendan Devenney, Christy Toye and Adrian Sweeney when those lads were starting out, and we really should have done better all through that decade. Granted, we came up against Armagh and Tyrone, but if the leadership and dedication had been there, we could have been challenging those counties much more seriously than the occasional one-off victory.
If McGuinness hadn't been there and we hadn't won Ulsters and that AI, would the underage success under Bonner which has fed much of the current senior team have happened?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 02:57:53 PM
Did Maghera not have a lean spell too? Always thought it was tied to that. Now you've convent and Maghera both competing.
Don't bet me started on the coaching (or lack of) at Maghera. Convent appear to have their house in better order.
Its true though, Maghera had a lean spell - so did Lavey/Bellaghy/Dungiven at underage. Big feeders to schools & county teams. All on the rise now.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 02:57:53 PM
Did Maghera not have a lean spell too? Always thought it was tied to that. Now you've convent and Maghera both competing.
Far too much emphasis on schools on this board. The club coaching in a number of teams in Derry is top class and of much more importance for me.
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 17, 2022, 03:13:26 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 02:57:53 PM
Did Maghera not have a lean spell too? Always thought it was tied to that. Now you've convent and Maghera both competing.
Far too much emphasis on schools on this board. The club coaching in a number of teams in Derry is top class and of much more importance for me.
Aw I agree. The standards at club underage in Derry arguably the best in Ulster.
+1 Oakleaflad.
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Derry always has had footballing talent. There just hasn't been the county setup to match. Look at their clubs and the success they have. I don't think you have that many other counties like that. They're a while crowd for infighting is half their problem[/b] ;D
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Club infighting......a lazy cliche. We have competitive club football that is probably as good as any in Ireland.
Yes, there's been rows over the years, but no more or less than any other county.
Also, very strong club teams does not automatically transfer to outstanding county footballers. Look at Kilcoo as an example..... fine club team but how many are county standard??
Their sum is greater than the individual parts and that's a great way to have it.
Derry put alot into minor grade, but only 2 Ulster titles at U20/21 level past 25yrs.Tyrone on the other hand have 4/5 out of the past 6/7yrs. Outside of Galway,& Kerry, there tends to be a direct correlation of Senior teams going well of the back of All Ireland U20/21 teams. It's at this level I feel Derry need to concentrate on, more than minors. Back to the Derry page, all this chat normally kept on there.
Quote from: J70 on May 17, 2022, 03:04:53 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 17, 2022, 01:20:53 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 17, 2022, 12:58:58 PM
Derry always has had footballing talent. There just hasn't been the county setup to match. Look at their clubs and the success they have. I don't think you have that many other counties like that. They're a while crowd for infighting is half their problem ;D
Haha, well you're right there that they have great football tradition in Derry over the years and some of the best footballers to have ever played the game. I suppose my comment is probably aimed at other counties with similar or even better pedigree to Derry - Down, Meath, Cork. Cavan as well although I think with Mickey Graham they have a brilliant coach and are on the up in my view. Down and Meath in particular, it's shocking the state they're both in.
Donegal wouldn't have had wile success over the years but always good level of talent in the county. The last 10 years have been as successful as the previous 130 though which I think goes to show if you get the right people involved you can challenge at inter county level.
It's interesting to wonder what would have happened had McGuinness not come along.
Would the ability and drive of Michael Murphy have been completely squandered with maybe one or two Ulster final appearances and possibly a title?
We had other all time Donegal greats like Lacey, Cassidy, Neil McGee etc. for five years before McGuinness. We didn't win an Ulster Championship game in '08, '09 or '10. Throw in extremely talented lads like Brendan Devenney, Christy Toye and Adrian Sweeney when those lads were starting out, and we really should have done better all through that decade. Granted, we came up against Armagh and Tyrone, but if the leadership and dedication had been there, we could have been challenging those counties much more seriously than the occasional one-off victory.
If McGuinness hadn't been there and we hadn't won Ulsters and that AI, would the underage success under Bonner which has fed much of the current senior team have happened?
I think Jim brought a single-mindedness to the group that has filtered down in terms of success, as you say the underage success that we've had to now bring players into the current set up is all fed from those Jim years.. Someone posted the interview Jim had with Tomás Ó'Sé there recently on another thread and it was great listening to him in terms of Glenties and the long term project they all invested in to get their club competitive at county level. I think it's not all down to Jim I think there are people around him with a similar mindset, like you say Michael Murphy as well, but Jim's force of personality without a doubt had the whole county on a mission. We were never being beaten in 2012, you could sense it from the first day out.
I think we are a great indicator of getting the right people involved, the talent is there in plenty of counties and we were always one of them with nice, talented footballers, but if you have the right people in charge of the group, anything is possible. And now you have some in the county being disappointed with the current group for not pushing on in the All-Ireland series... I think Bonner has his shortcomings and there's plenty of justified criticism but maybe I'm a bit long in the tooth and still have that old Donegal mentality that Jim tried to stamp out - but I remember too many rough days to be too harsh on this group when we're contesting finals and competing with the best in the land, even if we haven't gotten over the line much in the past few years.
The only Ulster Finals between the two sides -
Two were played in great conditions for football ('92 & '11), one played in poor conditions ('98) and one played in horrendous conditions ('93).
2011:
Donegal 1-11 Derry 0-08
1998
Derry 1-07 Donegal 0-08
1993
Derry 0-08 Donegal 0-06
1992
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-09
So far in this campaign Donegal have posted scores of 1-16 & 2-16. Derry have put up 1-18 & 3-12. But I'd suggest we might have a low scoring encounter, similar to the previous finals between the two sides.
Hoping that it's not an omen, but looking back at the 2011 campaign. Derry scored 1-18 in their QF win over Fermanagh, and 3-14 in their demolition of Armagh. Unfortunately, in the build up to the Final, Eoin Bradley was injured at training (ACL, I think) and a huge scoring threat was taken away.
The teams from the 2011 final. No one from Derry still involved. From Donegal, I think its just McGee, Murphy and McBrearty.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, P McGrath; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. Subs: M McElhinney for Kavanagh (31), D Molloy for McBrearty (54), D Walsh for Bradley (58).
Derry: D Devlin; S L McGoldrick, K McGuckin, D McBride; C Mullan, C Kielt, M Bateson; J Diver, M Friel; M Lynch, C O'Boyle, B McGoldrick; E Muldoon, J Kielt, C Gilligan. Subs: M Donaghy for Bateson (29), K McCloy for Mullan (45), G O'Kane for B McGoldrick (60), E McGuckin for Gilligan (60) PJ McCloskey for Muldoon (62).
Quote from: Estimator on May 18, 2022, 01:24:00 PM
The only Ulster Finals between the two sides -
Two were played in great conditions for football ('92 & '11), one played in poor conditions ('98) and one played in horrendous conditions ('93).
2011:
Donegal 1-11 Derry 0-08
1998
Derry 1-07 Donegal 0-08
1993
Derry 0-08 Donegal 0-06
1992
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-09
So far in this campaign Donegal have posted scores of 1-16 & 2-16. Derry have put up 1-18 & 3-12. But I'd suggest we might have a low scoring encounter, similar to the previous finals between the two sides.
Hoping that it's not an omen, but looking back at the 2011 campaign. Derry scored 1-18 in their QF win over Fermanagh, and 3-14 in their demolition of Armagh. Unfortunately, in the build up to the Final, Eoin Bradley was injured at training (ACL, I think) and a huge scoring threat was taken away.
The teams from the 2011 final. No one from Derry still involved. From Donegal, I think its just McGee, Murphy and McBrearty.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, P McGrath; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. Subs: M McElhinney for Kavanagh (31), D Molloy for McBrearty (54), D Walsh for Bradley (58).
Derry: D Devlin; S L McGoldrick, K McGuckin, D McBride; C Mullan, C Kielt, M Bateson; J Diver, M Friel; M Lynch, C O'Boyle, B McGoldrick; E Muldoon, J Kielt, C Gilligan. Subs: M Donaghy for Bateson (29), K McCloy for Mullan (45), G O'Kane for B McGoldrick (60), E McGuckin for Gilligan (60) PJ McCloskey for Muldoon (62).
1992 was such a sickener from a Derry perspective.
No matter what, we were always going to win the 1993 game thought the conditions that day were horrific. The game should never have been played.
In 2011, we'd already lost Paddy Bradley to an ACL and then at a training session the week of the final Skinner did his ACL also. Left us struggling up front. Even at that, a dubious penalty award to Murphy is what swung the game to them, imo. Small margins can have huge knock one effects.
Derry went into a kind of free fall after that with a succession of failed managers and teams.
Quote from: Estimator on May 18, 2022, 01:24:00 PM
The only Ulster Finals between the two sides -
Two were played in great conditions for football ('92 & '11), one played in poor conditions ('98) and one played in horrendous conditions ('93).
2011:
Donegal 1-11 Derry 0-08
1998
Derry 1-07 Donegal 0-08
1993
Derry 0-08 Donegal 0-06
1992
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-09
So far in this campaign Donegal have posted scores of 1-16 & 2-16. Derry have put up 1-18 & 3-12. But I'd suggest we might have a low scoring encounter, similar to the previous finals between the two sides.
Hoping that it's not an omen, but looking back at the 2011 campaign. Derry scored 1-18 in their QF win over Fermanagh, and 3-14 in their demolition of Armagh. Unfortunately, in the build up to the Final, Eoin Bradley was injured at training (ACL, I think) and a huge scoring threat was taken away.
The teams from the 2011 final. No one from Derry still involved. From Donegal, I think its just McGee, Murphy and McBrearty.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, P McGrath; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. Subs: M McElhinney for Kavanagh (31), D Molloy for McBrearty (54), D Walsh for Bradley (58).
Derry: D Devlin; S L McGoldrick, K McGuckin, D McBride; C Mullan, C Kielt, M Bateson; J Diver, M Friel; M Lynch, C O'Boyle, B McGoldrick; E Muldoon, J Kielt, C Gilligan. Subs: M Donaghy for Bateson (29), K McCloy for Mullan (45), G O'Kane for B McGoldrick (60), E McGuckin for Gilligan (60) PJ McCloskey for Muldoon (62).
Defensive football back then also - parking the bus.
Quote from: marty34 on May 18, 2022, 02:19:21 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 18, 2022, 01:24:00 PM
The only Ulster Finals between the two sides -
Two were played in great conditions for football ('92 & '11), one played in poor conditions ('98) and one played in horrendous conditions ('93).
2011:
Donegal 1-11 Derry 0-08
1998
Derry 1-07 Donegal 0-08
1993
Derry 0-08 Donegal 0-06
1992
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-09
So far in this campaign Donegal have posted scores of 1-16 & 2-16. Derry have put up 1-18 & 3-12. But I'd suggest we might have a low scoring encounter, similar to the previous finals between the two sides.
Hoping that it's not an omen, but looking back at the 2011 campaign. Derry scored 1-18 in their QF win over Fermanagh, and 3-14 in their demolition of Armagh. Unfortunately, in the build up to the Final, Eoin Bradley was injured at training (ACL, I think) and a huge scoring threat was taken away.
The teams from the 2011 final. No one from Derry still involved. From Donegal, I think its just McGee, Murphy and McBrearty.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, P McGrath; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. Subs: M McElhinney for Kavanagh (31), D Molloy for McBrearty (54), D Walsh for Bradley (58).
Derry: D Devlin; S L McGoldrick, K McGuckin, D McBride; C Mullan, C Kielt, M Bateson; J Diver, M Friel; M Lynch, C O'Boyle, B McGoldrick; E Muldoon, J Kielt, C Gilligan. Subs: M Donaghy for Bateson (29), K McCloy for Mullan (45), G O'Kane for B McGoldrick (60), E McGuckin for Gilligan (60) PJ McCloskey for Muldoon (62).
Defensive football back then also - parking the bus.
You should do a Podcast Marty, I'd definitely listen
Quote from: JoG2 on May 18, 2022, 02:32:34 PM
Quote from: marty34 on May 18, 2022, 02:19:21 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 18, 2022, 01:24:00 PM
The only Ulster Finals between the two sides -
Two were played in great conditions for football ('92 & '11), one played in poor conditions ('98) and one played in horrendous conditions ('93).
2011:
Donegal 1-11 Derry 0-08
1998
Derry 1-07 Donegal 0-08
1993
Derry 0-08 Donegal 0-06
1992
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-09
So far in this campaign Donegal have posted scores of 1-16 & 2-16. Derry have put up 1-18 & 3-12. But I'd suggest we might have a low scoring encounter, similar to the previous finals between the two sides.
Hoping that it's not an omen, but looking back at the 2011 campaign. Derry scored 1-18 in their QF win over Fermanagh, and 3-14 in their demolition of Armagh. Unfortunately, in the build up to the Final, Eoin Bradley was injured at training (ACL, I think) and a huge scoring threat was taken away.
The teams from the 2011 final. No one from Derry still involved. From Donegal, I think its just McGee, Murphy and McBrearty.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, P McGrath; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. Subs: M McElhinney for Kavanagh (31), D Molloy for McBrearty (54), D Walsh for Bradley (58).
Derry: D Devlin; S L McGoldrick, K McGuckin, D McBride; C Mullan, C Kielt, M Bateson; J Diver, M Friel; M Lynch, C O'Boyle, B McGoldrick; E Muldoon, J Kielt, C Gilligan. Subs: M Donaghy for Bateson (29), K McCloy for Mullan (45), G O'Kane for B McGoldrick (60), E McGuckin for Gilligan (60) PJ McCloskey for Muldoon (62).
Defensive football back then also - parking the bus.
You should do a Podcast Marty, I'd definitely listen
Just saying people whinging that this defensive stuff as if it's a recent thing.
That game was 30 years ago, and in good weather but low scoring.
Wasn't the 1998 final where Joe Brolly scored a late winning goal and went over to the Donegal section of supporters and blew kisses at them?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 18, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
Wasn't the 1998 final where Joe Brolly scored a late winning goal and went over to the Donegal section of supporters and blew kisses at them?
Jim Curran gave a 45 that never went over the line to Donegal..
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 18, 2022, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 18, 2022, 01:24:00 PM
The only Ulster Finals between the two sides -
Two were played in great conditions for football ('92 & '11), one played in poor conditions ('98) and one played in horrendous conditions ('93).
2011:
Donegal 1-11 Derry 0-08
1998
Derry 1-07 Donegal 0-08
1993
Derry 0-08 Donegal 0-06
1992
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-09
So far in this campaign Donegal have posted scores of 1-16 & 2-16. Derry have put up 1-18 & 3-12. But I'd suggest we might have a low scoring encounter, similar to the previous finals between the two sides.
Hoping that it's not an omen, but looking back at the 2011 campaign. Derry scored 1-18 in their QF win over Fermanagh, and 3-14 in their demolition of Armagh. Unfortunately, in the build up to the Final, Eoin Bradley was injured at training (ACL, I think) and a huge scoring threat was taken away.
The teams from the 2011 final. No one from Derry still involved. From Donegal, I think its just McGee, Murphy and McBrearty.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, P McGrath; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. Subs: M McElhinney for Kavanagh (31), D Molloy for McBrearty (54), D Walsh for Bradley (58).
Derry: D Devlin; S L McGoldrick, K McGuckin, D McBride; C Mullan, C Kielt, M Bateson; J Diver, M Friel; M Lynch, C O'Boyle, B McGoldrick; E Muldoon, J Kielt, C Gilligan. Subs: M Donaghy for Bateson (29), K McCloy for Mullan (45), G O'Kane for B McGoldrick (60), E McGuckin for Gilligan (60) PJ McCloskey for Muldoon (62).
1992 was such a sickener from a Derry perspective.
No matter what, we were always going to win the 1993 game thought the conditions that day were horrific. The game should never have been played.
In 2011, we'd already lost Paddy Bradley to an ACL and then at a training session the week of the final Skinner did his ACL also. Left us struggling up front. Even at that, a dubious penalty award to Murphy is what swung the game to them, imo. Small margins can have huge knock one effects.
Derry went into a kind of free fall after that with a succession of failed managers and teams.
The feeling is mutual for '93! The conditions were horrible is right, I remember a young fella had a horrible injury in the minor game. Some battles in those days with Down and Tyrone as well. I feel we're in another period of really good competitive Ulster teams. Whether one of us can have another rattle at Sam this year is up in the air but there's no doubt the Ulster championship is great entertainment
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 18, 2022, 04:19:05 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 18, 2022, 01:59:02 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 18, 2022, 01:24:00 PM
The only Ulster Finals between the two sides -
Two were played in great conditions for football ('92 & '11), one played in poor conditions ('98) and one played in horrendous conditions ('93).
2011:
Donegal 1-11 Derry 0-08
1998
Derry 1-07 Donegal 0-08
1993
Derry 0-08 Donegal 0-06
1992
Donegal 0-14 Derry 1-09
So far in this campaign Donegal have posted scores of 1-16 & 2-16. Derry have put up 1-18 & 3-12. But I'd suggest we might have a low scoring encounter, similar to the previous finals between the two sides.
Hoping that it's not an omen, but looking back at the 2011 campaign. Derry scored 1-18 in their QF win over Fermanagh, and 3-14 in their demolition of Armagh. Unfortunately, in the build up to the Final, Eoin Bradley was injured at training (ACL, I think) and a huge scoring threat was taken away.
The teams from the 2011 final. No one from Derry still involved. From Donegal, I think its just McGee, Murphy and McBrearty.
Donegal: P Durcan; F McGlynn, N McGee, P McGrath; A Thompson, K Lacey, K Cassidy; R Kavanagh, N Gallagher; M McHugh, M Hegarty, R Bradley; P McBrearty, M Murphy, C McFadden. Subs: M McElhinney for Kavanagh (31), D Molloy for McBrearty (54), D Walsh for Bradley (58).
Derry: D Devlin; S L McGoldrick, K McGuckin, D McBride; C Mullan, C Kielt, M Bateson; J Diver, M Friel; M Lynch, C O'Boyle, B McGoldrick; E Muldoon, J Kielt, C Gilligan. Subs: M Donaghy for Bateson (29), K McCloy for Mullan (45), G O'Kane for B McGoldrick (60), E McGuckin for Gilligan (60) PJ McCloskey for Muldoon (62).
1992 was such a sickener from a Derry perspective.
No matter what, we were always going to win the 1993 game thought the conditions that day were horrific. The game should never have been played.
In 2011, we'd already lost Paddy Bradley to an ACL and then at a training session the week of the final Skinner did his ACL also. Left us struggling up front. Even at that, a dubious penalty award to Murphy is what swung the game to them, imo. Small margins can have huge knock one effects.
Derry went into a kind of free fall after that with a succession of failed managers and teams.
The feeling is mutual for '93! The conditions were horrible is right, I remember a young fella had a horrible injury in the minor game. Some battles in those days with Down and Tyrone as well. I feel we're in another period of really good competitive Ulster teams. Whether one of us can have another rattle at Sam this year is up in the air but there's no doubt the Ulster championship is great entertainment
Leaving aside the lottery of the conditions and Tohill's tour-de-force on the day, injuries did for us in "93. That team was coasting on fumes. In retrospect, I'd say McEniff might have regretted going all out for the league that year (including a hard fought and bad tempered quarter final win over Derry) instead of just blooding new players, as the spine of the team was already getting past its peak.
92 was a decent enough game, best Donegal played all year, no basketball like these days, you knew the worth of a defender as he had to mark one on one with no help.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
92 was a decent enough game, best Donegal played all year, no basketball like these days, you knew the worth of a defender as he had to mark one on one with no help.
Leaving the '92 result aside, I remember it being a decent enough game.
Though, from memory, I think the result hinged on two first half incidents.
One involving Tohill, which lead to him leaving the pitch injured. Would need to watch the highlights back, but I think he went to volley the ball clear, but Boyle (?) was bending in to gather it, Tohill tried to stop, but still connected with the Donegal man, injuring himself in the process.
The other was Cunningham's sending off, just before half time, for an attempted decapitation of McNicholl along the sideline, although in reality he wasn't even close. Coleman played the spare man, but given the nature of the game, a more experience player should have been given that role.
There was also some debate about whether Downey's goal was square ball or not.
Here's a highlights package from that game . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBPMg-FHIEA
;D
Poor auld spoofer getting a bad touch there.
McHugh's last point that day was genius.
The sending off was very costly for John Cunningham. He didn't make it back into the team at all that year after being first choice for ages. Barry McGowan, a half forward, was drafted in as a corner back and turned out to be brilliant at it.
That was the last time we used the green/gold hoop jersey as first choice. We went back to the yellow jersey for the Mayo semi and stayed with it since.
Quote from: Estimator on May 19, 2022, 09:41:27 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
92 was a decent enough game, best Donegal played all year, no basketball like these days, you knew the worth of a defender as he had to mark one on one with no help.
Leaving the '92 result aside, I remember it being a decent enough game.
Though, from memory, I think the result hinged on two first half incidents.
One involving Tohill, which lead to him leaving the pitch injured. Would need to watch the highlights back, but I think he went to volley the ball clear, but Boyle (?) was bending in to gather it, Tohill tried to stop, but still connected with the Donegal man, injuring himself in the process.
The other was Cunningham's sending off, just before half time, for an attempted decapitation of McNicholl along the sideline, although in reality he wasn't even close. Coleman played the spare man, but given the nature of the game, a more experience player should have been given that role.
There was also some debate about whether Downey's goal was square ball or not.
Was that the day it pished...
Quote from: rrhf on May 19, 2022, 11:16:40 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 19, 2022, 09:41:27 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 18, 2022, 10:30:29 PM
92 was a decent enough game, best Donegal played all year, no basketball like these days, you knew the worth of a defender as he had to mark one on one with no help.
Leaving the '92 result aside, I remember it being a decent enough game.
Though, from memory, I think the result hinged on two first half incidents.
One involving Tohill, which lead to him leaving the pitch injured. Would need to watch the highlights back, but I think he went to volley the ball clear, but Boyle (?) was bending in to gather it, Tohill tried to stop, but still connected with the Donegal man, injuring himself in the process.
The other was Cunningham's sending off, just before half time, for an attempted decapitation of McNicholl along the sideline, although in reality he wasn't even close. Coleman played the spare man, but given the nature of the game, a more experience player should have been given that role.
There was also some debate about whether Downey's goal was square ball or not.
Was that the day it pished...
The year before
No.
Derry and Donegal were in both the 92 and 93 Ulster Finals.
It pished in 93!
Quote from: screenexile on May 19, 2022, 11:28:04 AM
No.
Derry and Donegal were in both the 92 and 93 Ulster Finals.
It pished in 93!
Were Donegal in 4 ulster finals in a row? 90 - 93?
The 12 Ulster Finals between the Derry/Donegal finals of '98 and '11, were won by either Armagh (7) or Tyrone (5).
And in the 10 Finals since the 2011 game. Armagh haven't made an appearance in an Ulster Final and Tyrone have played 3 won 3.
Only Fermanagh have less Ulster titles than us. Derry are no powerhouse. Antrim havent won since the 50s though. Helps explain the hype
I think Derry should win this although I don't particularly care if they do or not, I suppose it would be good for my 6 year old nephew to see in his first Derry game. I am going anyway as it will be interesting to see what winning Ulster would actually be like, I've never witnessed it. After the 2000 final defeat my father rushed us out of the ground so I never saw the trophy presentation. I never went in 2011 as I had lost interest in football at that time.
Hello, I am new here. Always had a keen interest in The gaelic football. Used to be around Hoganstand as Derryman. And post on politics forums as derryman. Joined here some time ago but never posted , then forgot password and the email address used is now gone so had to change my handle to join again.
Anyway, just want to say that I believe Derry has a good chance here. The occasion may overwhelm this young team and if they don't settle, and let Donegal set the pace they will be in trouble.
But here is hoping . I do feel there is something about this Derry team.
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Looks to be not much available on Ticketmaster.
Yeah how do we get stand tickets?
Actually, cant get any tickets of any sort via ticketmaster!
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 20, 2022, 02:07:37 PM
Yeah how do we get stand tickets?
Actually, cant get any tickets of any sort via ticketmaster!
Stand tickets were with the clubs until last night, whatever was left would have been on racketmaster today tbrick
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 20, 2022, 02:07:37 PM
Yeah how do we get stand tickets?
Actually, cant get any tickets of any sort via ticketmaster!
You don't.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Clones holds more than 26K? i thought it held about 33K?
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Clones holds more than 26K? i thought it held about 33K?
Official capacity is 29k.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 20, 2022, 02:07:37 PM
Yeah how do we get stand tickets?
Actually, cant get any tickets of any sort via ticketmaster!
There was a message sent out around the clubs earlier today saying that it would only be terrace tickets available online today
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Clones holds more than 26K? i thought it held about 33K?
Set/allowed capacity apparently for this final.
Still no joy on ticketmaster, wouldn't be like Derry to drag out 10k of supporters who hadn't seen them in yrs,
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on May 20, 2022, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 20, 2022, 02:07:37 PM
Yeah how do we get stand tickets?
Actually, cant get any tickets of any sort via ticketmaster!
There was a message sent out around the clubs earlier today saying that it would only be terrace tickets available online today
Fair enought, but there's no tickets for any location online!
A fella at work bought a hill ticket online just there now
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on May 20, 2022, 02:19:34 PM
A fella at work bought a hill ticket online just there now
I managed to get two about 10mins ago.
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Clones holds more than 26K? i thought it held about 33K?
Set/allowed capacity apparently for this final.
Is that covid related?
I just googled the 2001 final, the attendance was 35,159
Is the minor final being played before it? possibly they are holding some back to see who gets through?
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Clones holds more than 26K? i thought it held about 33K?
Set/allowed capacity apparently for this final.
Is that covid related?
I just googled the 2001 final, the attendance was 35,159
H&S related. The place is, without being rude, now a dump. They did an assessment prior to 2019 final and reduced it to around 28 or 29k as there were multiple hazards with allowing full crowds into certain areas (fire risk, evacuation times etc.). Without upgrades it'll never be back up to that. Likely never will if casement is done, I'd say they're holding out for that.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2022, 02:17:35 PM
Still no joy on ticketmaster, wouldn't be like Derry to drag out 10k of supporters who hadn't seen them in yrs,
Aye but hopefully it'll give some an appetite for it. I'd rather see that than the paltry support we've had over the years, particularly in some of those Div 3 + 4 league games.
Well not at the expense at those who drive to league games in Clare and Roscommon
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 20, 2022, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Clones holds more than 26K? i thought it held about 33K?
Set/allowed capacity apparently for this final.
Is that covid related?
I just googled the 2001 final, the attendance was 35,159
H&S related. The place is, without being rude, now a dump. They did an assessment prior to 2019 final and reduced it to around 28 or 29k as there were multiple hazards with allowing full crowds into certain areas (fire risk, evacuation times etc.). Without upgrades it'll never be back up to that. Likely never will if casement is done, I'd say they're holding out for that.
yeah it's a pity as the buzz around the town is magic on Ulster final day but the stadium just doesn't stack up.
great to see that it seems to be a sellout for the final now though considering plenty of commentators were saying if Derry made it, it wouldn't sell out.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2022, 02:39:27 PM
Well not at the expense at those who drive to league games in Clare and Roscommon
That's a fair point. You'd imagine most of these people are involved somewhat in their club and could get tickets that way but maybe it does impact some.
The limited general release of O'Duffy & Hill Terrrace tickets for the #Ulster2022 SFC Final at Clones has SOLD OUT.
🎟️ Competing counties are currently working through their club orders. Subject to availability, there may be a further general release next week. https://t.co/K4AjFsqBwA
I had moved afair bit away from my local club, used to be there was a general sale in owenbeg yrs ago for Derry supporters not attached to clubs, doesn't seem to happen any more.
Would these tickets not be widely available at club level? as in if you are a member of a club you should be entitled to tick or at the very least part of a draw?
With nearly 26 thousand going that should be plenty for those that attended the other championship games?
Quote from: Newbridge Exile on May 20, 2022, 02:31:06 PM
Is the minor final being played before it? possibly they are holding some back to see who gets through?
From the ulstergaa website:
It was also been confirmed that the Minor Final will precede the Senior Football Championship Final on Sunday 29th May.
With Derry v Cavan and Donegal v Tyrone in the minor semis this weekend. Could end up with 4 counties needing tickets. Would those from Cavan/Tyrone have purchased them on the prospect of their minor teams getting to the final? Would the Ulster council have issued an increased amount of tickets to the Cavan/Tyrone clubs for this purpose?
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 20, 2022, 02:39:52 PM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 20, 2022, 02:33:24 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:27:04 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 02:15:43 PM
Quote from: God14 on May 20, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on May 20, 2022, 01:59:50 PM
26,000 capacity for this Ulster final.
Gerry Arthurs Stand
Adult £30 € 35
Senior Concession £20 € 25
Pat McGrane / Eastern Stand
Adult £25 € 30
Senior Concession £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
The Hill / O'Duffy Terrace
Adult £17 € 20
Juvenile £5 € 5
Clones holds more than 26K? i thought it held about 33K?
Set/allowed capacity apparently for this final.
Is that covid related?
I just googled the 2001 final, the attendance was 35,159
H&S related. The place is, without being rude, now a dump. They did an assessment prior to 2019 final and reduced it to around 28 or 29k as there were multiple hazards with allowing full crowds into certain areas (fire risk, evacuation times etc.). Without upgrades it'll never be back up to that. Likely never will if casement is done, I'd say they're holding out for that.
yeah it's a pity as the buzz around the town is magic on Ulster final day but the stadium just doesn't stack up.
great to see that it seems to be a sellout for the final now though considering plenty of commentators were saying if Derry made it, it wouldn't sell out.
So they rendered Casement out of use, now they've let Clones run to ruin. McEvoy, McGeehan and these other clowns have plenty to answer!
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2022, 02:52:17 PM
I had moved afair bit away from my local club, used to be there was a general sale in owenbeg yrs ago for Derry supporters not attached to clubs, doesn't seem to happen any more.
I dont live in Derry any more and not a club member any more so was relying on the general sale tickets for myself and the kids.
Not looking good right now!
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
You've little to be at Coco
From very reliable source in UlsterGAA- Derry only getting half of tickets requested!
Going to be some very dissapointed Oakleafers! :'(
Quote from: patsydingle on May 20, 2022, 04:03:06 PM
From very reliable source in UlsterGAA- Derry only getting half of tickets requested!
Going to be some very dissapointed Oakleafers! :'(
Email from Derry this morning said they would fulfill all requests and only that some in the stand would have to be moved.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
are ya joking.. it'd be horrible in Croke Park. Even if both counties brought 20,000 a piece the place would feel like a graveyard. I love Donegal playing there but unless you get 60k plus the atmosphere is horrible.
As mentioned above, Ulster GAA have plenty to answer for. Not long ago people would be buzzing about Clones, the magic of it on Ulster final day, and sure now look.
I'm still buzzing mind you, it should be a great occasion
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
You renew your membership on line, using foireann / returnto play
Quote from: p3427977 on May 20, 2022, 04:37:45 PM
Quote from: patsydingle on May 20, 2022, 04:03:06 PM
From very reliable source in UlsterGAA- Derry only getting half of tickets requested!
Going to be some very dissapointed Oakleafers! :'(
Email from Derry this morning said they would fulfill all requests and only that some in the stand would have to be moved.
seen the same. Apparently clubs in Derry requeated a total of 13k, and got them! Be some disappointed donegal ones who were relying on general sale. At least we should out number the other team for a change!
13k, I been at all their home games this year and we wouldn't had 3k at them. Sorry even less, cause I think owenbeg holds 4.5k and it wouldn't been half full
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
Dublin for 8, forget about it.
Quote from: eachaidh on May 20, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
Helicopter?
Quote from: eachaidh on May 20, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
I'd say there'd be a fair chunk of people heading back to Dublin too. And then you have all the normal Sunday evening traffic of people heading back to the city after weekends in the country.
Better hope we don't get extra time and penalties!
Quote from: eachaidh on May 20, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
If game at 2 pm, you'd be alright but 4 pm is mad.
Watch it on the tv.
Quote from: eachaidh on May 20, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
not a hope I'm afraid, if you left at half time maybe
Quote from: eachaidh on May 20, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
Dibs on tickets
Ha - thought so, Dublin might have to wait. Worth a try. Thanks all.
So you dont need to be in Dublin by 8?!
Anyone else feel betrayed?
😉
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 20, 2022, 02:17:35 PM
Still no joy on ticketmaster, wouldn't be like Derry to drag out 10k of supporters who hadn't seen them in yrs,
The more Doire 'drag out' the better.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
Strange view that your father can't get membership as the club don't go door to door... surely your aware of the individual's involved with the club and a message could soon sort out payment of membership, hardly the fault of the club here.
Donegal gaa twitter page announced there will be another release of tickets next week.
Quote from: eachaidh on May 20, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
4pm probably just too late, but you could give it a fair rattle. In my experience, very little traffic heading south and with Monaghan and Cavan not playing, still wouldn't expect much. You'd just park at the bottom of the town in the Cavan direct
ion, fly down the n3, should be well away from the traffic.
Should make it for 8.30 anyway.
Cavan could be playing in the minor before it if they beat Derry today. Although I'm not sure how that is working with tickets will counties in the minor get an allocation that is held back
Any suitable parking space will take at least 15 mins to walk to from the ground, a little over 2 hours driving should get you there. You can also drive via Carrickmacross which is slightly shorter but not as good a road in the first part, if for example you are aiming for somewhere in south city centre in Dublin then this route + the tunnel might be effective.
Quote from: eachaidh on May 20, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Would welcome thoughts on this - I am going to the Ulster Final in Clones, but I also need to be in Dublin by 8pm. For all of those experienced Ulster Final goers out there - is this even possible? Throw in is at 4pm and I need to be in Dublin City centre four hours later. Can it be done? Is there somewhere to park in Clones that would give a quick exit in the Dublin direction when everyone else is going back to Derry and Donegal?
Left field suggestion. Park 3-4 miles out of town and take a bicycle (and lock) with you.
Traffic will be light enough in your direction once you get past the distance that people are prepared to walk into town.
Quote from: delgany on May 20, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
You renew your membership on line, using foireann / returnto play
I've never heard of that in my life, I looked at my clubs Facebook page and the last time they mentioned membership was June 2021. They just gave a number to text. You basically have to go out looking a membership if you want one.
Quote from: Will it ever end on May 21, 2022, 07:33:30 AM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
Strange view that your father can't get membership as the club don't go door to door... surely your aware of the individual's involved with the club and a message could soon sort out payment of membership, hardly the fault of the club here.
Not particularly, getting a club membership that you have nothing do to with isn't at the top of someone's priority. When they used to go around doors (a few years ago was last time) it was basically a reminder about membership.
Anyway, my business owner uncle is able to obtain us tickets now so that is old news. It is just a reminder to get membership next year.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 21, 2022, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: Will it ever end on May 21, 2022, 07:33:30 AM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
Strange view that your father can't get membership as the club don't go door to door... surely your aware of the individual's involved with the club and a message could soon sort out payment of membership, hardly the fault of the club here.
Not particularly, getting a club membership that you have nothing do to with isn't at the top of someone's priority. When they used to go around doors (a few years ago was last time) it was basically a reminder about membership.
Anyway, my business owner uncle is able to obtain us tickets now so that is old news. It is just a reminder to get membership next year.
Does your business owner uncle have any more tickets to spare? 😁
How bigs his business. Bet its massive
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 21, 2022, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 20, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
You renew your membership on line, using foireann / returnto play
I've never heard of that in my life, I looked at my clubs Facebook page and the last time they mentioned membership was June 2021. They just gave a number to text. You basically have to go out looking a membership if you want one.
Is that not the same in all clubs?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 21, 2022, 03:37:30 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 21, 2022, 01:10:22 PM
Quote from: delgany on May 20, 2022, 05:30:30 PM
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 20, 2022, 03:58:15 PM
I couldn't get tickets so far either. I don't care about going but my father has watched Derry for over 50 years. The annoying thing is that my local club don't make it easy to become a member. They don't seem to go around doors selling membership like they used to do. I think the game should have been in Croke Park
You renew your membership on line, using foireann / returnto play
I've never heard of that in my life, I looked at my clubs Facebook page and the last time they mentioned membership was June 2021. They just gave a number to text. You basically have to go out looking a membership if you want one.
Is that not the same in all clubs?
Probably but it wasn't in mine up until 2019 or so. Actually my mother actually seen them selling memberships at doors in another end of the townland but I don't know why they didn't do my road. Anyway I'm not going to discuss memberships here anymore, I don't particularly like my club, as far as I am concerned club and county are completely different things as my club never has players in the county team anyway.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 21, 2022, 02:26:22 PM
How bigs his business. Bet its massive
I mentioned my uncle because if you own a business you have a lot of contacts and you also might have contacts that owe you a favor. In my case my uncle knew a chairman and also Donegal people.
I won't apologise for getting tickets when my family have been watching Derry for years. I know for a fact some people will be getting tickets simply because they are club members, another uncle of mine will get tickets even though he has been to about 5 Derry games in 30 years
This man is on a great wind up 😅
Keep it up....class 😅.....
Hes an acquired taste but im intrigued to see how it develops 😃
I have an update on that situation, my father bumped into one of the committee members of the club. It turns out the club were accepting ticket requests from non members anyway. The reason being is because they never got around to selling on my road yet. This means that they do still do door to door membership sales so it isn't all online as you people say.
😅👍🏻
Feckin hell...wait till Derry get to the All-Ireland there'll be some scramble for tickets then. ;D
Big result for the minors it will be some occasion next weekend for Derry the first proper big matchday in over a decade great to see!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2022, 09:28:01 PM
Feckin hell...wait till Derry get to the All-Ireland there'll be some scramble for tickets then. ;D
1993 scramble for final tickets was off the charts... Men still not speaking to each other over it. No county has a bigger hibernating support than us ;D
Next Sunday is going to be a great day out for the county, cannot wait.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 21, 2022, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 21, 2022, 09:28:01 PM
Feckin hell...wait till Derry get to the All-Ireland there'll be some scramble for tickets then. ;D
1993 scramble for final tickets was off the charts... Men still not speaking to each other over it. No county has a bigger hibernating support than us ;D
Next Sunday is going to be a great day out for the county, cannot wait.
Croker capacity was about 62k that year.
Donegal GAA posting that they expect more tickets to go on sale today!
What happens if the DUP,Bryson anf Jim Alistair have a anti Protocol check-point at Aughnacloy ?
We could be diverted to the new Irish Sea border !!!!!!
Quote from: Real Talk on May 23, 2022, 08:43:22 PM
What happens if the DUP,Bryson anf Jim Alistair have a anti Protocol check-point at Aughnacloy ?
We could be diverted to the new Irish Sea border !!!!!!
Step on the accelerator
Derry have the minor and senior double won
According to their fans
Tyrone and Donegal May as well stay home
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 24, 2022, 02:37:06 PM
Derry have the minor and senior double won
According to their fans
Tyrone and Donegal May as well stay home
That is a big statement based on zero evidence.
Quote from: Estimator on May 24, 2022, 02:39:27 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 24, 2022, 02:37:06 PM
Derry have the minor and senior double won
According to their fans
Tyrone and Donegal May as well stay home
Pulled that out of your own ass.
I know nobody in Derry who thinks that.
Most comments I've seen from Derry supporters have them fairly confident of a win.
Quote from: greatpoint on May 24, 2022, 02:55:21 PM
Most comments I've seen from Derry supporters have them fairly confident of a win.
From reading this thread you'd be hard pressed to find
Derry supporters fairly confident of a win Excited and happy about being in an Ulster Final, definitely. But not about winning the thing.
There has been more comments on here about getting down to Dublin for 8pm, than people predicting a Derry win. Even on the predictions thread its probably 50/50 at this stage.
Sickening arrogance from the Derry wans.
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 24, 2022, 02:37:06 PM
Derry have the minor and senior double won
According to their fans
Tyrone and Donegal May as well stay home
Shitetalk
Tyrone folk are not wise, not near it
Im gona guess the C in StephenC stands for Cockwomble also
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Any more updates on more tickets being released?? I'm not going but just been asked to source 2 if I can.
Quote from: screenexile on May 24, 2022, 04:11:59 PM
Any more updates on more tickets being released?? I'm not going but just been asked to source 2 if I can.
I'd say you're out of luck
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2022/05/2022-ulster-senior-football-championship-final-ticket-update/ (https://ulster.gaa.ie/2022/05/2022-ulster-senior-football-championship-final-ticket-update/)
Quote from: oakleaflad on May 24, 2022, 04:21:46 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 24, 2022, 04:11:59 PM
Any more updates on more tickets being released?? I'm not going but just been asked to source 2 if I can.
I'd say you're out of luck
https://ulster.gaa.ie/2022/05/2022-ulster-senior-football-championship-final-ticket-update/ (https://ulster.gaa.ie/2022/05/2022-ulster-senior-football-championship-final-ticket-update/)
100% thanks I'll have to go scrounging around the club then!!
I could easily have got tickets if I'd known earlier FFS!
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Why in Gods name would they do that?
Quote from: Silver hill on May 24, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Why in Gods name would they do that?
Geeee a lemmmmme think. What do the blazers love more than anything??
Quote from: Silver hill on May 24, 2022, 05:56:41 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Why in Gods name would they do that?
Hearing now its not. So happy days
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
All them derry ones so confident of a win according to our Tyrone friend probably hadn't seen too much of them in the league where I thought we weren't overly hot on it, foreby losing just 1game.
Expected sell out say the Ulster GAA. The "safe" capacity has been increased from 26,000 to 28,750 now.
Take it to Croker!!
Pity Casement wasn't ready with 34, 000.
A rammed Clones with 28,500 spectators is still a better option than 40,000 odd in a half filled Croke Park.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.
But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.
Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.
What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good
Derry by 25
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.
But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.
Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.
What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good
Derry by 25
There are no fully paid coaches in the city other than neil forrester and never has been. There have however had some part time roles which has been the big problem. It is a money thing in the city as you are bringing a sport to families who have no tradition, completely different from rural areas. Most cities outside Dublin have fulltime GPOs, Belfast has Gaelfast , maybe not quite the same. Cork and Limerick both have fulltime GPOs. The schools are key in the city
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.
But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.
Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.
What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good
Derry by 25
There are no fully paid coaches in the city other than neil forrester and never has been. There have however had some part time roles which has been the big problem. It is a money thing in the city as you are bringing a sport to families who have no tradition, completely different from rural areas. Most cities outside Dublin have fulltime GPOs, Belfast has Gaelfast , maybe not quite the same. Cork and Limerick both have fulltime GPOs. The schools are key in the city
How many primary schools in the city DO NOT avail of a paid coach? Neil does a percentage, there's other paid coaches doing the rest.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.
But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.
Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.
What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good
Derry by 25
Heard Steelstown are near bottom of Derry league - south Derry clubs are very strong. Best clubs in Ulster, irrespective of the age group: various senior club winners plus loads of minor club titles at that St. Paul's Tournament in Belfast.
St. Pat's Maghera and St. Mary's Magherafelt always going well in the MacRory Cup in college football. Hard to beat the tradition I'd say.
They must have things right at underage level...with the help of the neighbouring Tyrone and Antrim schools.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 02:32:06 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 02:22:52 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.
But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.
Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.
What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good
Derry by 25
There are no fully paid coaches in the city other than neil forrester and never has been. There have however had some part time roles which has been the big problem. It is a money thing in the city as you are bringing a sport to families who have no tradition, completely different from rural areas. Most cities outside Dublin have fulltime GPOs, Belfast has Gaelfast , maybe not quite the same. Cork and Limerick both have fulltime GPOs. The schools are key in the city
How many primary schools in the city DO NOT avail of a paid coach? Neil does a percentage, there's other paid coaches doing the rest.
With the greatest of respect JoG2 there are
not any schools that I am aware of that dont avail-by that I mean of their own choice. Neil is fully time paid by Steelstown with top of from county board. Brian is paid through county board and top of community grants(or was). The est were on part time contracts.
The problem is you cant cover 6-7 schools on a 12 hour contract(this is what the other coaches get). Its impossible and they cant retain coaching staff because nobody can survive on the small wage.
Quote from: marty34 on May 25, 2022, 03:04:30 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 12:02:09 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 25, 2022, 11:02:14 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 25, 2022, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: Estimator on May 25, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 07:20:47 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on May 24, 2022, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 24, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
Jesus calm down lads, its an Ulster Final ffs. Some hype and bandwagoners about
Yeah Fear, just an Ulster Final,a path well trodden for us the last 20 years. Check your family lineage for Tyrone links ;D
Minor final possibly being moved to the Sat evening? Anyone confirm?
Oh I know , we have won 7 Ulster football and 4 hurling( some stat there) . But boys going way over the top about stuff , going to put the blah on them ,playing into Donegal hands
When we won our 7th football title in '98, we were ahead of Donegal (5), level with Armagh and one behind Tyrone.
Now we are 3 behind Donegal, 7 behind Armagh and 9 behind Tyrone.
Living off myths, we have never been a powerhouse, but good work underage atm.
Excellent at club level, schools. We've probably underachieved @ senior but who says we are a powerhouse Fear?
mostly journalists Jog2, sleeping giant etc etc. Lazy journalism usually, although sleeping giant maybe close to the truth, but id have to say we wont ever be dominant without investment in the big population areas, all the rural areas are fairly well sewn up and will continue to be our main sources but they have no potential to grow.
But money has and is being pumped into the City. There's 4 paid coaches doing the schools, have been for years. Do other cities outside of Dublin avail of this, fully paid coaches? Should we have 8 / 20 / 30 full time coaches?
The facilities at the City clubs are state of the art,just ask anyone visiting the city from down the country. A new club, Culmore with big numbers at underage got all the backing possible from the Co Board, HQ.
Has Steelstown tapped into Galliagh, Shantallow, Carn Hill, Skeoge as much as they could? Colmcille into Rosemount, Foyle Springs etc...? Pearces in the Waterside, Dolans in the Creggan.. That's in no way a dig at these fine clubs, absolutely not, but there's only so much they can do with the number of volunteers they have. This isn't down to money or lack of it. This part should be club driven, volunteer driven, not cash driven.
What will help though is a county team playing in an Ulster Final and the buzz that goes with it. That's what will peak the interest of kids and their parents. Try buying a Jersey for your kid atm. Don't diss the hype, buzz that comes with success as this is what will attack and hook the next generation to gaelic games. It'll also bring in more volunteers to the City clubs who'll help with coaching / leaflet drops etc. It's all good
Derry by 25
Heard Steelstown are near bottom of Derry league - south Derry clubs are very strong. Best clubs in Ulster, irrespective of the age group: various senior club winners plus loads of minor club titles at that St. Paul's Tournament in Belfast.
St. Pat's Maghera and St. Mary's Magherafelt always going well in the MacRory Cup in college football. Hard to beat the tradition I'd say.
They must have things right at underage level...with the help of the neighbouring Tyrone and Antrim schools.
They have not trained since AIF. lads just returning last 2 weeks and you can see that in improving results, no demotion so nobody cares about league
I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!
In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.
Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.
Still hoping for a Derry win.
Does there have to be a winner on the day?
Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.
Donegal have a better goalkeeper, they have a definite edge in midfield, and vastly superior forwards. They also possess a bench that Derry would be envious of.
Derry have the better defensive individuals, but crucially Derry also have a much superior system of play.
Systems > individual talents.
Derry to win by 3
Quote from: God14 on May 25, 2022, 04:02:48 PM
Donegal have a better goalkeeper, they have a definite edge in midfield, and vastly superior forwards. They also possess a bench that Derry would be envious of.
Derry have the better defensive individuals, but crucially Derry also have a much superior system of play.
Systems > individual talents.
Derry to win by 3
I honestly think the Derry goalkeeper is under-rated.
I thought he did really well the the games so far, in particular against Monaghan. Made a good early save and his kickouts were accurate.
He made one or two mistakes in the 2nd half against monaghan when they really pushed up on our kickouts, but I think that was more to do with what was happening out the field rather than him making poor judgements.
Not debating that the Donegal keeper is better, just that I think the Derry keeper is better than he gets credit for.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 25, 2022, 03:53:14 PM
I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!
In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.
Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.
Still hoping for a Derry win.
Does there have to be a winner on the day?
Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.
Apologies, agreed
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 25, 2022, 03:53:14 PM
I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!
In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.
Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.
Still hoping for a Derry win.
Does there have to be a winner on the day?
Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.
Only the Hurling and Football finals will go to a replay if needed, all other games go to extra time / penalties if required.
Quote from: tbrick18 on May 25, 2022, 03:53:14 PM
I think some of this conversation should be moved to the Derry thread chaps!
In terms of confidence for Sunday, I personally don't know anyone confident of a Derry win.
First and foremost, everyone is hoping that we don't get tanked!
I don't personally see that happening given our performances against Tyrone and Monaghan.....but then I think back to Galway and get more nervous again.
Donegal are rightly favourites and are better equipped in terms of experience and the bench to cope with things not going their way than Derry are.
Derry are fit, conditioned, organised and have a strong spine of a team but I still think lack a little bit from the bench. For Derry to win, everything must go right for them and some things have to go wrong for Donegal.
If Donegal can disrupt what Derry have been doing so far, it's theirs to lose.
Still hoping for a Derry win.
Does there have to be a winner on the day?
Prediction: Draw
Derry to win by 2 after extra time.
If it goes to extra time I'd expect Donegal to win by 5 or 6. Derry have such a demanding gameplan that players will tire. We don't have enough firepower off the bench to cope either so Donegal will probably pull away. Derry need to win in normal time which is possible but you'd have to back Donegal because of their experience and consistency.
I think when guys were dropping of the panel they were been replaced by U-20 guys who are nowhere near that level yet and wouldn't be for a few yrs, Bench been alot stronger with McAvoy, Doherty, McFaul, Heaveron, all there, I feel during the league against weaker teams, the panel should been used more. Hard to keep guys on board, training heavy, with no game time.
See a few here saying they feel Derry have reached their level. I can't see that. Think they still have a way to go before reaching their ceiling. Monaghan were very poor overall, yet still nearly came back into it and if they had taken some chances could have won it. Derry will see a lot in that game that they can improve from, so no way has their level been reached. They also should have beaten Donegal last year, and I think they're way further down the road now. That loss last year would have hurt and spur them on here. They will need a few goals. They got them last 2 games, and I feel they'll need them here too. Cavan gave a blueprint for going at Donegal, and probably should have beaten Donegal, or at least went very close if they got some of the goal chances they had in the 1st half. They need their points too. 12 isn't a great return against Monaghan, but I suppose it's the way the game went in the 2nd half when it was tight going, and it was a matter of keeping Monaghan at arms length, and that 3rd goal as needed. Need to keep things ticking with points though.
Donegal consequently have not been to their best either. A poor Armagh team, and struggled past Cavan until they got a bit of luck with the fortunate goals near the end. Cavan could have been long out of sight before that, and that game finishes differently in that case. The good thing for Donegal is they now know what they need to improve on. I think they thought they were quite good getting over Armagh (although I think Armagh are a very flaky Championship team) and thought the semi was a formality. They found themselves in a game and this will have brought them on. My one issue is that I don't think Bonner is a great manager or tactician. His team sometimes plays well in spite of him. He needs to learn from Cavan and what to improve on, while also assessing what to get right for Derrys plan. I just don't feel he has this in him, he might get one or other plan right, but not both which is what they'll need here. He has routinely been poor on this going back to 2 Super 8 campaigns when they come out on the wrong side in most of the tough games. He probably was lucky to get another shot after last year, only for no real other options to take his place.
Donegal have been here before though, 10 finals in 12 years, winning multiples of those. So they've been at both ends. That means a lot here, but I keep veering toward Derry, even with their first final in ages. I just think they've got the tools to do this, and we haven't even talked about Gallagher knowing a lot about a fair few of those Donegal players. They have goals in them, which we've seen before can be enough to take down Donegal. I'll take Derry by 2
My own feeling is Donegal have that bit more firepower in the middle of the field and up front that if it comes down to 2 teams mirroring eachothers styles they probably have the better players at their disposal to get over the line. Can Derry change their system of play for this game given Donegal know exactly what will be coming at them from the first 2 games? Hard to know I hope we've something up our sleeve but we'll see.
In terms of the ceiling for this Derry team an Ulster Final/AIQF is probably our level right now but over the next 5 years we will start to challenge regularly I think, especially when you look at our underage credentials the past few years. We have some very good young players to come through and if we can keep Gallagher's team in place the County team will be a worthwhile pursuit for the County's best players which hasn't always been the case.
I predict an absolutely horrible spectacle of football akin to the Donegal/Kerry AIF in 2014 where a goal will probably decide it either way.
I just hope Derry can get it!!
Derry will struggle if they go long with their kick-outs and i'm not so sure they can devise a short-effective option against this Donegal team. I feel this is the where the game will be won or lost. Delighted we are in the Ulster Final and we'll see what transpires on the day .. good luck to the Minors as well
The big worry from a Donegal perspective (and I've seen a few former players and managers saying this too) is hunger. I've no doubt we can match or even better them on a football basis, but I'm less certain we will be able to live with the intensity and fight Derry will bring. They're going to be super-confident after their performances so far and their almost pipping us last year. We've shown in previous years that when the chips are down, we cannot always be relied on to dig deep and keep performing and keep our composure when the physical intensity and effort is put in by our opponents. Mayo 2019, Cavan 2020 being the two primary examples. To their credit, they hung in there in the first half against Cavan this year, but I think Derry will bring a lot more to the table than Cavan did.
We'll know 15 minutes in whether Donegal are up for the fight.
Lads our group have some spare tickets due to a couple of drop outs and a couple of tickets coming from extra sources
If anyone needs a ticket pm me and i can meet in clones
Spares
Hill x2
Oduffy x2
Pat McGrane x1
Quote from: southderryman on May 28, 2022, 12:04:16 PM
Lads our group have some spare tickets due to a couple of drop outs and a couple of tickets coming from extra sources
If anyone needs a ticket pm me and i can meet in clones
Spares
Hill x2
Oduffy x2
Pat McGrane x1
Tickets all gone
Missed the above post if anyone has any spares please send me a pm looking for 2 tickets anywhere.
The brother is heading down and if only he'd let me know earlier the bollix.
Anyway if there's anything going please let me know
I have one for the O'Duffy Ter going if anyone wants it
We can't defend anymore. if you look at games for the last 2-3 years its like running through a crater of space with no real plan or method of closing down anyone . Keep waiting on an improvement or turnaround but it's all so chaotic. Derry will create goal chances ...if they're willing to take them instead of just kicking over the bar.
3 weeks is long enough for our lads to have put some semblance of organistaion into marking and defending but it dosn't look like its a priority with bonnor and rochford.
Big game form Langdon needed tomorrow.
Quote from: Goldengreen on May 28, 2022, 11:36:40 PM
I have one for the O'Duffy Ter going if anyone wants it
Got sorted Gg thanks anyway!
On my way early, few to lift, think Donegal got a better team but just got a feeling we gotta win this one last nite, then again thought the same with Liverpool. Here's hoping anyway.
Some crowd there today.
Great to see!
Crowd looks 2/3 Derry, at least
a lot of people hoping this is not one sided towards donegal or their will be more talk on state of provincials. i think it be close match tho
This is going to be absolutely shite.
This is a hard watch so far.
Jesus H Christ!!!!! There has to be something wrong with football
Derry look a lot sharper. Can't see them losing this.
Derry breaking through donegal blanket much, much easier.
This is an arm wrestle one mistake or one big play will be the winning of it this half. Going much as everyone expected both teams trying to cancel each other out Derry have attacked with a bit more purpose so far.
Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 04:44:05 PM
This is an arm wrestle one mistake or one big play will be the winning of it this half. Going much as everyone expected both teams trying to cancel each other out Derry have attacked with a bit more purpose so far.
That's it. The proverbial game of "chess football". Derry playing very smart. Probing waiting for a bit of space to open up then someone dose a 100 mph sprint of the shoulder to burst through for a score when the timing is right. So hard to defend against as you could easily cough up a free. If Donegal grab the first couple of scores this second half it will get very interesting.
Donegal have done extremely well to get ahead here.
I don't think they will be beat now. Have worked Derry out a bit. Hope I am wrong.
Going to the wire boys nothing between them.
There's a few arms round the neck there he's not giving Derry. Definitely thought there was one there.
Black card or no??
The second one definitely!!!
f**k sake what a joke!
First definitely not.
Not sure on the second.
Shocking from hurson
Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Black card or no??
The inconsistency of the black cars is so frustrating, just do away with it. If that's not a black card then there's zero point
Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM
The second one definitely!!!
f**k sake what a joke!
Not for me. He pulls him back not down. The one before was I thought though that looked a deliberate trip.
Well done ref. Definitely not a black. Donegal lad slipped, definite foul but not a deliberate pulldown.
Second one was touch and go though! Could have been black.
Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 05:25:58 PM
The second one definitely!!!
f**k sake what a joke!
Couldn't see anything in the first one. Need to see a replay. 2nd one he made a complete meal of it and again it was hard to determine even on the replay
Black cards need to be deliberate, and ref needs to be sure. If any doubt, black should stay in the pocket.
commentators saying game is terrible
Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
Hurson did a nice third man block on the Donegal lad. Not sure if it was deliberate...
Horrendous wide. Close, but wide.
A fear of losing absolutely crippled that match.
Shitshow.
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 05:27:34 PM
Well done ref. Definitely not a black. Donegal lad slipped, definite foul but not a deliberate pulldown.
Second one was touch and go though! Could have been black.
Second one was a pull on the shorts for sure - not sure if a pull back counts in a black card scenario though.
But clearly he stopped him for going to the ball in a really good position.
That last 5 or so minutes was dire stuff. Ref got non blackcard calls correct in my neutral opinion
Puke football multiplied by 500
Derry lucky, ref made two balls ups within a few minutes there.
Pure scutter
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
You must be watching on RTE, the BBC coverage is excellent, during the match and the analysis from Harte, McConville and Canavan. BBC by far the best GAA coverage at the minute.
Quote from: tintin25 on May 29, 2022, 05:36:34 PM
That last 5 or so minutes was dire stuff. Ref got non blackcard calls correct in my neutral opinion
First one may or may not have been a black card. Second one, as Harte said, we a jersey tug the intention was to pull the player back, instead the player fell forward and this was not the consequence of a jersey tug.
The ref should have thrown the ball up when it hit him, had Derry won by a point this would have been controversial.
Mickey Harte sticking up for the aTyrone ref :)
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Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
You must be watching on RTE, the BBC coverage is excellent, during the match and the analysis from Harte, McConville and Canavan. BBC by far the best GAA coverage at the minute.
Have to agree, BBC analysis far better today.
Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Black card or no??
Def not, he pulled him but didn't pull him down, he pulled him back
I was watching on RTE. McStay is a gobshite. Absolute gobshite.
Switched over to BBC for the analysis, and it was great entertainment. Oisin talking through his hole re the black cards. Caravan and Harte both made reasonable arguments re the second one which could have been either yellow or black. But I think Mickey won the argument! Good banter between the lot of them and good analysis too.
More drama to come I'm sure.
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Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Black card or no??
Def not, he pulled him but didn't pull him down, he pulled him back
Doesn't matter a f**k if he pulled him off it prevented a scoring opportunity
Quote from: Gael80 on May 29, 2022, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
You must be watching on RTE, the BBC coverage is excellent, during the match and the analysis from Harte, McConville and Canavan. BBC by far the best GAA coverage at the minute.
Yes correct watching the game on gaago. I don't understand why Darragh Maloney doesn't get the gig. It was a huge passion killer for me to hear Marty Morrisey and Kevin Mc Stay talking, Christ their awful and then that big school boy Colm O Rourke chirping in he would depress a clown with his continuously droll negative voice.
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
I was watching on RTE. McStay is a gobshite. Absolute gobshite.
Switched over to BBC for the analysis, and it was great entertainment. Oisin talking through his hole re the black cards. Caravan and Harte both made reasonable arguments re the second one which could have been either yellow or black. But I think Mickey won the argument! Good banter between the lot of them and good analysis too.
More drama to come I'm sure.
Drama?
BBC has better pundits, no doubt.
But the fact that 35,000 people were silent like at a mass for the final 10 mins of a drawn final, tells you that mCstay is absolutely correct on this one.
The ball did not hit the ref, the man did. Play on was correct
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 05:47:23 PM
I was watching on RTE. McStay is a gobshite. Absolute gobshite.
Switched over to BBC for the analysis, and it was great entertainment. Oisin talking through his hole re the black cards. Caravan and Harte both made reasonable arguments re the second one which could have been either yellow or black. But I think Mickey won the argument! Good banter between the lot of them and good analysis too.
More drama to come I'm sure.
Sad to be see so much bias against Ulster football on RTE no surprise, but as you say people see a really good product elsewhere. BBC deserve credit!
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Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
You must be watching on RTE, the BBC coverage is excellent, during the match and the analysis from Harte, McConville and Canavan. BBC by far the best GAA coverage at the minute.
Have to agree, BBC analysis far better today.
No way lads. What's this "worldy" shite
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Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Black card or no??
Def not, he pulled him but didn't pull him down, he pulled him back
Doesn't matter a f**k if he pulled him off it prevented a scoring opportunity
Is that a black card?
The player has to be pulled to the ground, not a pull followed by a dive.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 05:51:51 PM
Quote from: Gael80 on May 29, 2022, 05:42:02 PM
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
You must be watching on RTE, the BBC coverage is excellent, during the match and the analysis from Harte, McConville and Canavan. BBC by far the best GAA coverage at the minute.
Yes correct watching the game on gaago. I don't understand why Darragh Maloney doesn't get the gig. It was a huge passion killer for me to hear Marty Morrisey and Kevin Mc Stay talking, Christ their awful and then that big school boy Colm O Rourke chirping in he would depress a clown with his continuously droll negative voice.
Marty's not the passion killer the shyte 400 hand passes over and back is. So sad to see the game I loved so well reduced to this unwatchable snooze fest .
Quote from: Stall the Bailer on May 29, 2022, 05:52:12 PM
The ball did not hit the ref, the man did. Play on was correct
Correct, it didn't touch him so while if the ball plays him it's a hop ball he can't at times avoid physical contact, either we want the refs up with play or we don't!
Going to penalties
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Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Black card or no??
Def not, he pulled him but didn't pull him down, he pulled him back
Doesn't matter a f**k if he pulled him off it prevented a scoring opportunity
Is that a black card?
It does matter and on review no black card.
RTE's football coverage is overly negative, but at the same time, this match is horrible. It can be interesting to see tactical battles, but this has mostly been hand passing and jogging from one side of the field to the other. Everyone standing static, no trying to punch holes or running into space. Nobody trying to press and dispossess...
Pure dross.
at least its close tho better than dublin and kerry blow outs
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on May 29, 2022, 05:54:36 PM
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Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 05:33:37 PM
Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
You must be watching on RTE, the BBC coverage is excellent, during the match and the analysis from Harte, McConville and Canavan. BBC by far the best GAA coverage at the minute.
Have to agree, BBC analysis far better today.
No way lads. What's this "worldy" shite
All about opinions. BBC a mile ahead of RTE.
Brendan Rodgers some player.
Congratulations Doire beating Tyrone all Ireland champions, Monaghan Ulster finalists then Donegal in final in extra time so impressive never could have predicted that.
So happy!!!
That was a clear as penalty as you will ever see. Mchugh bear hugged from behind.
Stone wall penalty not given at the death.
Derry will avoid Dublin and Kerry now as they'll be in the other half of the draw. Donegal have only themselves to blame as they should have kicked on after going ahead twice in the 2nd half. Fear crippled them.
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 06:18:08 PM
Stone wall penalty not given at the death.
Lol bad day Rudy??
Fair play... they did it the hard way
I'd need to see the replay on that last play but I didn't see it at that time in fairness
Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 06:18:08 PM
Stone wall penalty not given at the death.
Need to see it again but wouldn't be surprised as Hurson is a poor referee.
Quote from: clarshack on May 29, 2022, 06:19:10 PM
Derry will avoid Dublin and Kerry now as they'll be in the other half of the draw. Donegal have only themselves to blame as they should have kicked on after going ahead twice in the 2nd half. Fear crippled them.
Would agree. Dont think bonner is a good manager, Donegal seem restricted under him
Well done Derry. Hope you enjoy it. Well deserved Ulster champions.
Donegal need a new approach. We have plenty of talent, but the tactics and approach are far too one dimensional and predictable and risk averse.
How many times have we seen mchugh get a free for that sort of dive. Glad to see Hurson didn't fall for it. Terrible role model.
Brendan Rodger's lads Jesus what a performance!!! Marking Murphy too unreal
Serious achievement by Rory Gallagher and his Derry team. No team will like to play them in the All-Ireland quarter finals.
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Quote from: clarshack on May 29, 2022, 06:19:10 PM
Derry will avoid Dublin and Kerry now as they'll be in the other half of the draw. Donegal have only themselves to blame as they should have kicked on after going ahead twice in the 2nd half. Fear crippled them.
Would agree. Dont think bonner is a good manager, Donegal seem restricted under him
Has to be gone after this season surely.
Quote from: redzone on May 29, 2022, 06:22:14 PM
How many times have we seen mchugh get a free for that sort of dive. Glad to see Hurson didn't fall for it. Terrible role model.
Dry your fuckin eyes w**ker.
Nice moment seeing a classy player like McKaigue finally getting his hands on the trophy.
Congratulations to Derry. Not a classic but came up with the big scores when it mattered. They have been really good in this championsip at taking their chances when they get up the field. Donegal, like Monaghan, showed a lack of composure at times when in promising positions. It wasn't a performance that would beat the best sides but massive for Derry to get that title and perhaps there is more in the tank.
I know it was a hard watch at times there but RTE coverage was more negative than anything either team produced. O'Rourke once again hard to listen to.
Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 06:22:42 PM
Brendan Rodger's lads Jesus what a performance!!! Marking Murphy too unreal
MOTM surely.
Well done Derry.
Gallagher has got them a bit of belief and a title to go with it.
Sometimes you have to go negative just to become competitive and get results. The likes of Heron and Rogers have been about long enough with nothing to show for it.
The closeness of the game, not the quality, made it compelling viewing.
Canavan and McConville over Cavanagh for analysis every day.
Congratulations to Derry. I thought it was poor from Donegal not to attempt to win the game in injury time of normal time and instead waste time. Don't think either side will challenge Dublin or Kerry. But Dery won't care right now, great day for all Derry Gaels. Great support there also.
Congrats Derry. Great scenes.
Hard luck Donegal. Won't be easy to regroup, but still a decent chance of causing an upset in the QF if heads are kept.
Stone wall penalty at the death
Derry style of football won't last in Croke Park
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Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 06:18:08 PM
Stone wall penalty not given at the death.
Lol bad day Rudy??
Derry deserved their win & fair play, but it was definitely a penalty. Enjoy your nite Screen.
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Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 06:18:08 PM
Stone wall penalty not given at the death.
Lol bad day Rudy??
Derry deserved their win & fair play, but it was definitely a penalty. Enjoy your nite Screen.
No surprises it was mchugh throwing himself to the ground at the end. Been at it for years
I'd say Hurson like myself has constantly watching Donegal players abuse the head injury rule by throwing themselves to the ground and getting checked for concussion, wasn't gonna be fooled at the end. That's fact.
RTE coverage is an embarrassment so it's not surprise they were lambasting the game. They seem to only give a shit about Dublin hammering teams and Munster Hurling.
Needs a total overhaul in there of RTE pundits, commentary etc.
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Quote from: Rudi on May 29, 2022, 06:18:08 PM
Stone wall penalty not given at the death.
Lol bad day Rudy??
Derry deserved their win & fair play, but it was definitely a penalty. Enjoy your nite Screen.
No surprises it was mchugh throwing himself to the ground at the end. Been at it for years
You boys were probably mouthing the same shite a few years back when he missed half a year with concussion after a series of high hits to the head.
Was it not a foul on the goalie?
Well done to the Muckers, not the most attractive spectacle by any means, not that they could give a toss about that.
Didn't see the second half, but how many big games have Donegal lost these last few years alone. I reckon Bonner will be gone whenever they exit.
Mchugh throws himself into the tacklers arm half the time. That's his own fault he gets concussion. The other half theres nothing wrong with him but he still goes down.
Well done Derry hi. Best in Ulster. Surely better than D1.
derry winning that might have calm talks of getting rid of provincials for a a while
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Commentators are desperately negative. This is a meat grinder of a match. Padraig Mc Grogan tackle earlier was incredible.
You must be watching on RTE, the BBC coverage is excellent, during the match and the analysis from Harte, McConville and Canavan. BBC by far the best GAA coverage at the minute.
Yes correct watching the game on gaago. I don't understand why Darragh Maloney doesn't get the gig. It was a huge passion killer for me to hear Marty Morrisey and Kevin Mc Stay talking, Christ their awful and then that big school boy Colm O Rourke chirping in he would depress a clown with his continuously droll negative voice.
Marty's not the passion killer the shyte 400 hand passes over and back is. So sad to see the game I loved so well reduced to this unwatchable snooze fest .
When you have a view of Ulster football it's difficult to see any positives. I agree the tactics used wouldn't appeal to everyone but the tackling, Murphy's point, McGuigans catch under the bar when he could barely walk and Derry's relentless defending at the end were great. It's the only final worth watching this weekend and yet again whilst the Provincial system remains where would the GAA be without the Ulster Championship.
Also as things stand where would the Ulster Championship be without the BBC coverage? We didn't have to put up with the usual biased RTE coverage today.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 29, 2022, 06:46:47 PM
Was it not a foul on the goalie?
That's what I thought unless the rule has been changed that you can tackle the keeper in the square?
I asked the question if Derry won.....
Would we show the same emotion that Armagh showed after 17 years without winning in 1999.
We absolutely did!
Quote from: redzone on May 29, 2022, 07:01:58 PM
Mchugh throws himself into the tacklers arm half the time. That's his own fault he gets concussion. The other half theres nothing wrong with him but he still goes down.
His own fault he gets concussion? ::) :o ;D
Fair play to Derry. Wouldn't have seen that coming even on the back of their league performance. Is it only 3 years from they were in Div 4? There's hope yet for Down :'(
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on May 29, 2022, 06:10:40 PM
Brendan Rodgers some player.
Unreal player - some level of fitness.
Played football today like he hurls.
Donegal would have been safer to keep Murphy on edge of square and make Rogers stay there with him.
Delighted for Derry. Tremendous self belief to push on and win today.
Brilliant from Derry and well deserved winners. Had an inkling they'd be fit for Donegal and probably should have saw the game out in normal time had the rules been applied correctly (black card x2). While the whole team put a massive shift a few men really stepped up to the plate, Glass, Loughlin and Rogers who was immense. Think Derry can give the AI a good rattle now and no one will fancy meeting them.
Quote from: full moon on May 29, 2022, 06:44:07 PM
RTE coverage is an embarrassment so it's not surprise they were lambasting the game. They seem to only give a shit about Dublin hammering teams and Munster Hurling.
Needs a total overhaul in there of RTE pundits, commentary etc.
thought it was way over the top. It was a tight and at times ugly game but at least it was competitive. Give me that any day over a turkey shoot
One of Derrys great qualities today was to remain calm and focused when falling behind. They never panicked.
RTE coverage was ridiculous. Yes, wasn't a great game but at least it was close all the way through.
Derry deserved it.
Donegal no great shakes and haven't been for a while.
Great crowd.
Penalty at the end but would have been injustice fir Derry to lose.
Usually neither team good enough to win AI but just maybe this year.
Booing of free takers unwelcome.
Gaelic Football not what it was despite some unbelievable athletic advancement (maybe because of it )
Well done Derry. Was very nervous about this one and for good reason. Good people in Derry and I'm delighted for them - enjoy every minute of the coming days and weeks.
Didn't see the first half as I was on a plane, listened to the 2nd half on the radio and then watched extra time. From the radio it sounded like we were very lucky not have 2 lads black carded in the final few minutes of regular time.
Extra time played right into Derry's hands. Michael Murphy's age showed up in the last few minutes - his man created the overlaps for the last 2 points. Age is a fecker. We just don't have the leaders who can step up when the pressure is on, and I feel that Declan has taken this team as far as he can.
Time for the lads to dust themselves off and see what the qualifiers can bring.
It ended up being a different challenge for Derry today than their first two games, they meet that with guile and totally deserved the title.
The BBC punditry is a mile ahead of RTE but the commentary was hysteria on steroids, reaching frenzied excitement as the 100th handpass was intercepted, on other occasions rendered speechless (thank god) when they ran out of superlatives to describe quite frankly the most boring last 2 minutes of an ulster final as Donegal pondered themselves to a full stop.
Quote from: tyrone08 on May 29, 2022, 06:17:39 PM
That was a clear as penalty as you will ever see. Mchugh bear hugged from behind.
Yeah, it was a bit over zealous by the keeper alright. He was dodgy enough through the game.
Derry's fitness stood to them even though they had a week less tp prepare.
For all their Ulster Final inexperience, they's some amount of experience throughout that Derry team.
Quote from: full moon on May 29, 2022, 06:44:07 PM
RTE coverage is an embarrassment so it's not surprise they were lambasting the game. They seem to only give a shit about Dublin hammering teams and Munster Hurling.
Needs a total overhaul in there of RTE pundits, commentary etc.
Well Munster hurling is going to win it hands down fir the neutral 9 times out of 10 but pretty pointless puting Dublin football on in Leinster.
Sidebottom on bbc is beyond unbearable
Quote from: Main Street on May 29, 2022, 08:20:24 PM
It ended up being a different challenge for Derry today than their first two games, they meet that with guile and totally deserved the title.
The BBC punditry is a mile ahead of RTE but the commentary was hysteria on steroids, reaching frenzied excitement as the 100th handpass was intercepted, on other occasions rendered speechless (thank god) when they ran out of superlatives to describe quite frankly the most boring last 2 minutes of an ulster final as Donegal pondered themselves to a full stop.
"Worldy" lol
Delighted with that.
Did enough to win, but coulda gone either way.
Good luck to Donegal for the rest of the season.
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Quote from: full moon on May 29, 2022, 06:44:07 PM
RTE coverage is an embarrassment so it's not surprise they were lambasting the game. They seem to only give a shit about Dublin hammering teams and Munster Hurling.
Needs a total overhaul in there of RTE pundits, commentary etc.
thought it was way over the top. It was a tight and at times ugly game but at least it was competitive. Give me that any day over a turkey shoot
Agree I thought yesterday was an embarrassment, and Galway Roscommon was hardly a classic either. I didn't even bother with the second half of that one.
They always are determined to dig at Ulster football. Anything that isn't Dublin/Kerry walloping teams or Munster Hurling RTE they have issues with. Lucky we have BBCNI but it's gone now too after that game
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Quote from: full moon on May 29, 2022, 06:44:07 PM
RTE coverage is an embarrassment so it's not surprise they were lambasting the game. They seem to only give a shit about Dublin hammering teams and Munster Hurling.
Needs a total overhaul in there of RTE pundits, commentary etc.
Well Munster hurling is going to win it hands down fir the neutral 9 times out of 10 but pretty pointless puting Dublin football on in Leinster.
Sidebottom on bbc is beyond unbearable
Depends where in the country you are, Hurling is non existent in many areas
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Fair play to Derry. Wouldn't have seen that coming even on the back of their league performance. Is it only 3 years from they were in Div 4? There's hope yet for Down :'(
Even when their senior team has been in the doldrums, Derry have been ticking along well and been competitive at minor & U20/21 levels - remember they were 2020 All-Ireland minor champions.
There's been no such undercurrent in Down OTOH.
Won ulster under 20s last year. Jesus its hard to like the nouveau riche. We will be back.
A beautiful experience to witness for a South Derry person particularly a 30 year old like me who doesn't remember the 1998 win. I am still a little bit drunk, I will remember it until the day I die.
After only 10 secs, 15 men behind the ball; the GAA can't come up with a rule to disincentivise defensive tactics. Even worse at club level btw.
Delighted to see Chris McKaigue and Brendan Rodgers winning at county level; great players for their club for years, now getting some recognition.
Donegal were so negative; had a minute at the end of injury to get up the field for a winner, but faffed around as usual, allowed the ref to blow it up.
Michael Murphy is one of the all-time greats, but surely his time has come; edge of the square or nowhere.
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Quote from: full moon on May 29, 2022, 06:44:07 PM
RTE coverage is an embarrassment so it's not surprise they were lambasting the game. They seem to only give a shit about Dublin hammering teams and Munster Hurling.
Needs a total overhaul in there of RTE pundits, commentary etc.
thought it was way over the top. It was a tight and at times ugly game but at least it was competitive. Give me that any day over a turkey shoot
Agree I thought yesterday was an embarrassment, and Galway Roscommon was hardly a classic either. I didn't even bother with the second half of that one.
They always are determined to dig at Ulster football. Anything that isn't Dublin/Kerry walloping teams or Munster Hurling RTE they have issues with. Lucky we have BBCNI but it's gone now too after that game
Wasn't sean Cavanagh on RTÉ today? Anyhow it's great we have the BBC lol. Harte hardly could disguise his dislike of Derry , McConville called the game basketball (which is true to be fair ) and they needed Canavan to talk bit of sense
Oh and where was the gender balance
Well done Derry hi. Best in Ulster. Surely better than D1.
The Derry crowd created some scenes out there today. It was great to watch.
People talking about murphy's age... he could never have tracked a boy like Rodgers. He's too big to cover that ground tbh. Tactically very astute by Gallagher to do that kind of match up. The counter was to plant murphy in ff and see what Rodgers was made of marking a targetman especially when he struggled so much with comer in the league.
Fear I thought that on Harte too but I am not sure how much canavan likes them either lol. It's well enough offset by niblock though.
Quote from: general_lee on May 29, 2022, 07:42:08 PM
Brilliant from Derry and well deserved winners. Had an inkling they'd be fit for Donegal and probably should have saw the game out in normal time had the rules been applied correctly (black card x2). While the whole team put a massive shift a few men really stepped up to the plate, Glass, Loughlin and Rogers who was immense. Think Derry can give the AI a good rattle now and no one will fancy meeting them.
It's been a long time since a team came out of nowhere to win Sam.
Great to see Derry win. Thought it had more than a breakthrough whiff of Armagh in 1999. Probably one more star forward, a MFer (or middle 8 player) and a goalie short of being genuine AI contenders. I'm sure McFaul is regretting his decision atm.
The year's not over for Donegal but surely its the end of an era regardless, hard to see Bonner returning, Donegal have always seemed a bit timid and one dimensional under his direction. Will Murphy go or maybe even become Manager or Player manager?
Fair play to Derry. A very deserved Ulster Championship coming through the harder part of the draw. Rode their luck a bit particularly with what I thought was a stone wall penalty at the end but no more so than most teams who win tournaments. Ironically that win may harm their long term prospects this season. Having achieved something like a first Ulster in 24 years it might be harder to pick themselves up again depending on how much they celebrate than it might have been for a potentially easier back door game.
I imagine Donegal will now meet the winner of Tyrone v Armagh in the second round 'draw'
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Great to see Derry win. Thought it had more than a breakthrough whiff of Armagh in 1999. Probably one more star forward, a MFer (or middle 8 player) and a goalie short of being genuine AI contenders. I'm sure McFaul is regretting his decision atm.
The year's not over for Donegal but surely its the end of an era regardless, hard to see Bonner returning, Donegal have always seemed a bit timid and one dimensional under his direction. Will Murphy go or maybe even become Manager or Player manager?
Murphy needs to go to 14 and play the ball into him and get Mc Brearty winning any breaks. Would keep 2 defenders occupied back in their also.
No harm to bonner as I have nothing against him but with the Donegal squad he has had he has really underachieved.
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Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2022, 09:58:18 PM
Great to see Derry win. Thought it had more than a breakthrough whiff of Armagh in 1999. Probably one more star forward, a MFer (or middle 8 player) and a goalie short of being genuine AI contenders. I'm sure McFaul is regretting his decision atm.
The year's not over for Donegal but surely its the end of an era regardless, hard to see Bonner returning, Donegal have always seemed a bit timid and one dimensional under his direction. Will Murphy go or maybe even become Manager or Player manager?
Murphy needs to go to 14 and play the ball into him and get Mc Brearty winning any breaks. Would keep 2 defenders occupied back in their also.
Exactly this.
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Fair play to Derry. Wouldn't have seen that coming even on the back of their league performance. Is it only 3 years from they were in Div 4? There's hope yet for Down :'(
Even when their senior team has been in the doldrums, Derry have been ticking along well and been competitive at minor & U20/21 levels - remember they were 2020 All-Ireland minor champions.
There's been no such undercurrent in Down OTOH.
Won ulster under 20s last year. Jesus its hard to like the nouveau riche. We will be back.
There was a lot of fortune in that win last year to be honest, having to only get by Cavan and Fermanagh and a severely handicapped Monaghan.
Quote from: ONeill on May 29, 2022, 09:42:13 PM
The Derry crowd created some scenes out there today. It was great to watch.
Tyrone had as many supporters on the pitch after the 2016 and 2017 finals in Clones. Wasn't bad for winning it regularly.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2022, 09:58:18 PM
Great to see Derry win. Thought it had more than a breakthrough whiff of Armagh in 1999. Probably one more star forward, a MFer (or middle 8 player) and a goalie short of being genuine AI contenders. I'm sure McFaul is regretting his decision atm.
The year's not over for Donegal but surely its the end of an era regardless, hard to see Bonner returning, Donegal have always seemed a bit timid and one dimensional under his direction. Will Murphy go or maybe even become Manager or Player manager?
I think Derrys downfall will be the lack of any star forwards.
Probably not great to watch on TV but it was brilliant to watch live. Where the TV focuses on the man holding the ball it doesn't show the off the ball effort that goes in. Thought derry played very well but need to tighten up on kickouts. Our own are a bit slow and obvious and they weren't switched on for Donegal's who got out too easy at times. Rogers is some athlete and Glass very composed. Would agree it was a penalty at the end but we will take our luck. Had forgotten what days in Clones were like but I'll be a long time forgetting this one. Looking forward to a good run now and to keep building.
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Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2022, 09:58:18 PM
Great to see Derry win. Thought it had more than a breakthrough whiff of Armagh in 1999. Probably one more star forward, a MFer (or middle 8 player) and a goalie short of being genuine AI contenders. I'm sure McFaul is regretting his decision atm.
The year's not over for Donegal but surely its the end of an era regardless, hard to see Bonner returning, Donegal have always seemed a bit timid and one dimensional under his direction. Will Murphy go or maybe even become Manager or Player manager?
Murphy needs to go to 14 and play the ball into him and get Mc Brearty winning any breaks. Would keep 2 defenders occupied back in their also.
Exactly this.
Yeah, agree, just leave Murphy at 14, no point in asking him to be a box to box player anymore, doesn't have the legs anymore but would still be a huge threat in the FF line
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Quote from: bennydorano on May 29, 2022, 09:58:18 PM
Great to see Derry win. Thought it had more than a breakthrough whiff of Armagh in 1999. Probably one more star forward, a MFer (or middle 8 player) and a goalie short of being genuine AI contenders. I'm sure McFaul is regretting his decision atm.
The year's not over for Donegal but surely its the end of an era regardless, hard to see Bonner returning, Donegal have always seemed a bit timid and one dimensional under his direction. Will Murphy go or maybe even become Manager or Player manager?
I think Derrys downfall will be the lack of any star forwards.
I thought that would be our problem this year but scores have come from everywhere to be fair.
Shane McGuigan is absolutely a star forward btw!!
Listening to a bit of the Sunday Game there and it was laughable. Gooch says that although the games are fierce but "not at all times there is a quality match on view and it doesn't translate to later in the Championship"
FFS!!! Yeah Munster and Leinster are full of quality games!!
Quote from: andoireabu on May 29, 2022, 10:34:40 PM
Probably not great to watch on TV but it was brilliant to watch live. Where the TV focuses on the man holding the ball it doesn't show the off the ball effort that goes in. Thought derry played very well but need to tighten up on kickouts. Our own are a bit slow and obvious and they weren't switched on for Donegal's who got out too easy at times. Rogers is some athlete and Glass very composed. Would agree it was a penalty at the end but we will take our luck. Had forgotten what days in Clones were like but I'll be a long time forgetting this one. Looking forward to a good run now and to keep building.
Agree with all of that but thought the keeper was tackled in the small rectangle at the end and should have been a free out. Massive shift as mentioned. Was a great family day out and the scenes at the end show just how much it means.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 29, 2022, 09:54:04 PM
People talking about murphy's age... he could never have tracked a boy like Rodgers. He's too big to cover that ground tbh. Tactically very astute by Gallagher to do that kind of match up. The counter was to plant murphy in ff and see what Rodgers was made of marking a targetman especially when he struggled so much with comer in the league.
Fear I thought that on Harte too but I am not sure how much canavan likes them either lol. It's well enough offset by niblock though.
I thought the same. I actually thought Murphy was moving well in the game and was nothing to do with age. Fact is very few can keep up with Rogers. He's one of the best Athletes in the gaa, what a player.
That was a weird ball McBrearty played in when a point behind with 2 mins left in extra time. It sort of went against everything they'd been doing all game.
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Listening to a bit of the Sunday Game there and it was laughable. Gooch says that although the games are fierce but "not at all times there is a quality match on view and it doesn't translate to later in the Championship"
FFS!!! Yeah Munster and Leinster are full of quality games!!
He says which is why teams from ulster haven't done that well in the later stages. Does he not remember who won the all ireland last year. All coverage I've listened to is why Donegal lost, not enough credit given to derry as its all put down to Gallaghers system. Fact is you need the players to execute it.
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Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 11:15:46 PM
Listening to a bit of the Sunday Game there and it was laughable. Gooch says that although the games are fierce but "not at all times there is a quality match on view and it doesn't translate to later in the Championship"
FFS!!! Yeah Munster and Leinster are full of quality games!!
He says which is why teams from ulster haven't done that well in the later stages. Does he not remember who won the all ireland last year. All coverage I've listened to is why Donegal lost, not enough credit given to derry as its all put down to Gallaghers system. Fact is you need the players to execute it.
That will feed in well to the team and Gallagher "nobody outside the County is giving us any credit etc. etc."
Only he doesn't have to manufacture it there are plenty of clips and column inches he can use!
Quote from: screenexile on May 29, 2022, 11:15:46 PM
Listening to a bit of the Sunday Game there and it was laughable. Gooch says that although the games are fierce but "not at all times there is a quality match on view and it doesn't translate to later in the Championship"
FFS!!! Yeah Munster and Leinster are full of quality games!!
It seemsto be an anti-Ulster agenda driven by RTÉ for some reason.
Is Cavanagh the only Ulster pundit on it these days?
I watched the Dubs V Kildare yesterday and Kerry V Limerick and they were brutal games. Games that were over after 10 mins. There was no defending in them.
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Quote from: andoireabu on May 29, 2022, 10:34:40 PM
Probably not great to watch on TV but it was brilliant to watch live. Where the TV focuses on the man holding the ball it doesn't show the off the ball effort that goes in. Thought derry played very well but need to tighten up on kickouts. Our own are a bit slow and obvious and they weren't switched on for Donegal's who got out too easy at times. Rogers is some athlete and Glass very composed. Would agree it was a penalty at the end but we will take our luck. Had forgotten what days in Clones were like but I'll be a long time forgetting this one. Looking forward to a good run now and to keep building.
Agree with all of that but thought the keeper was tackled in the small rectangle at the end and should have been a free out. Massive shift as mentioned. Was a great family day out and the scenes at the end show just how much it means.
No,I thought keeper fumbled the ball/lost possession and wrestled the player to the ground.
Should have been a penalty.
What a finish that would have been!
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I was watching on RTE. McStay is a gobshite. Absolute gobshite.
Switched over to BBC for the analysis, and it was great entertainment. Oisin talking through his hole re the black cards. Caravan and Harte both made reasonable arguments re the second one which could have been either yellow or black. But I think Mickey won the argument! Good banter between the lot of them and good analysis too.
More drama to come I'm sure.
Drama?
BBC has better pundits, no doubt.
But the fact that 35,000 people were silent like at a mass for the final 10 mins of a drawn final, tells you that mCstay is absolutely correct on this one.
The last ten mins were so incredibly tense, nobody dared make a noise. Say what you want about how the game was played, but it didn't lack drama.
I was at 2 provincial finals over the weekend and there was no comparison between them, the crowd was pretty quiet in croker too, but for different reasons.
Quote from: clarshack on May 29, 2022, 06:19:10 PM
Derry will avoid Dublin and Kerry now as they'll be in the other half of the draw. Donegal have only themselves to blame as they should have kicked on after going ahead twice in the 2nd half. Fear crippled them.
Wouldn't fancy their chances of making much more progress, but it'll depend on the draw. Be better for Derry if they get nowhere near Dublin or Kerry this year, that might take the gloss of the year.
Need more upfront and need to inject the pace they did against Tyrone. Hope they can't meet Donegal again in the quarters, that would be nasty.
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RTE coverage was ridiculous. Yes, wasn't a great game but at least it was close all the way through.
The match was not pretty to the eye to the neutral (i.e. me!) and largely forgettable, but there tends to be to be an awful lot of self-flagellation among much of the GAA football fraternity where unless every intercounty championship game is an instant classic, then the game is in dire straits and only major overhauls/changes suggested by "oneself" (usually without any critical thinking as to the likely impact or practical enforcement of them) will do. A leaf should be taken out of their hurling counterparts where even the more pedestrian, uneventful games at top levels are given a damn good positive spin by its main pundits. The vast majority of top level soccer & rugby matches themselves tend to be grim, forgettable events on the field of play - but they're both excellent at hiding the negatives and accentuating the positives when they do happen. That's probably why the BBC coverage of the Ulster SFC is more positive/brighter in its presentation, even when they covering/just covered a dour game they don't bang the f**k on about it because the BBC NI Sports department isn't largely isolated from each other's codes compared to their RTE counterparts.
A lot of truth there, champions League finals are usually complete tosh, 1-0 the most common scoreline by far.
That said, if the rules allow the teams to play that game they played today, they're going to do so.
Soccer changed its rules, rugby constantly tinkers, so does NFL, rules have to adapt to tactical advances. I mentioned this at the start of the season on here and many disagreed, but it's not a sign of weakness or insecurity to adapt rules frequently, it's an opportunity to evolve the sport and make it a spectacle we can be proud of.
Shocking bad call for no black card issued for bringing down McGuigan, what was the ref watching.
Was a definite penalty - Hurson got away with no analysis of it last night on Sunday game as it was such a busy show. A hand round the neck is a foul / pen.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 02:13:01 AM
Shocking bad call for no black card issued for bringing down McGuigan, what was the ref watching.
Would disagree with that. It was a foul but it certainly wasn't a clear cut black card. The only shocking thing about it was how quick he got up and sprinted towards the ref to complain
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 30, 2022, 07:00:51 AM
Was a definite penalty - Hurson got away with no analysis of it last night on Sunday game as it was such a busy show. A hand round the neck is a foul / pen.
The Sunday game were too busy slagging off the style of football. They prefer 28 point victories for the Dublins and kerrys than a competitive contest. I cant watch that sh1te.
Quote from: Fionntamhnach on May 29, 2022, 08:25:53 PM
The match was not pretty to the eye to the neutral (i.e. me!) and largely forgettable, but there tends to be to be an awful lot of self-flagellation among much of the GAA football fraternity where unless every intercounty championship game is an instant classic, then the game is in dire straits and only major overhauls/changes suggested by "oneself" (usually without any critical thinking as to the likely impact or practical enforcement of them) will do. A leaf should be taken out of their hurling counterparts where even the more pedestrian, uneventful games at top levels are given a damn good positive spin by its main pundits. The vast majority of top level soccer & rugby matches themselves tend to be grim, forgettable events on the field of play - but they're both excellent at hiding the negatives and accentuating the positives when they do happen. That's probably why the BBC coverage of the Ulster SFC is more positive/brighter in its presentation, even when they covering/just covered a dour game they don't bang the f**k on about it because the BBC NI Sports department isn't largely isolated from each other's codes compared to their RTE counterparts.
100%. Some amount of whingers out in force. What would they rather have watched, a 20 point drubbing or the Dubs knock 5 goals in the 1st half of a game to kill the second half and win their 12th Leinster in a row. Many of the experts on here predicted the type of game it would be and they got it. Now they somehow think they should have been watching a classic. Haven't seen any of the tv coverage yet as was late back from Clones and then headed over to Maghera to see the lads come home but that'll be for tonight. Scenes in Clones and Maghera last night were brilliant. Been a long time coming for us and there is a whole generation who have never experienced that before.
Yes, the game was far from a classic but as Fionntamhnach says how many finals are. People waking up in Derry don't give a damn about that today. Derry as a division 2 team have had to beat 3 division 1 teams to win that Ulster title. That is some achievement. I don't think anyone in the county is thinking of All-Irelands. We got a monkey off our backs yesterday and anything now is bonus territory for us. An Ulster title was always the no1 aim. But hope we can push on another wee bit.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 02:13:01 AM
Shocking bad call for no black card issued for bringing down McGuigan, what was the ref watching.
Would disagree with that. It was a foul but it certainly wasn't a clear cut black card. The only shocking thing about it was how quick he got up and sprinted towards the ref to complain
Hardly shocking. Not every players feigns injury
Quote from: sam03/05 on May 30, 2022, 07:00:51 AM
Was a definite penalty - Hurson got away with no analysis of it last night on Sunday game as it was such a busy show. A hand round the neck is a foul / pen.
Wasn't around the neck. Keeper put his arms under McHughs shoulder, rather than over the top, which would have been a clear penalty. It looked high towards the end of the challenge because of McHugh getting lower. Still was close call, as the keeper should have been shielding rather than slapping. McHugh went down too easily, hard to blame him in those circumstances, but ref could see there wasn't enough in the challenge to send him to the ground so maybe didn't want to reward a player at that stage for going down easily.
The Derry keeper was terrible and very nearly cost his team the title. Should never have allowed himself to be dispossessed. I don't think he was fouled. You can't shoulder the keeper, but you can slap the ball out, which I think was what happened. Then for the last Murphy shot, the keeper completely missed it and took a great save by a defender on the line.
Was the Ulster final harder to watch than the leinster final or the munster final?
29000 people were left voiceless on the edge of their rough timber seats in game that looked like it might never end with a winner. It was an entertaining game that had moments of total frustration and absolute brilliance. I certainly know I would either watch a game that goes down to the wire than a game that is over in 15 minutes.
Ulster football championship is going to be put to the sword because of the uncompetitive nature of the other provinces . In the last 20 years all 9 counties have played in the Ulster final .
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 02:13:01 AM
Shocking bad call for no black card issued for bringing down McGuigan, what was the ref watching.
Would disagree with that. It was a foul but it certainly wasn't a clear cut black card. The only shocking thing about it was how quick he got up and sprinted towards the ref to complain
Hardly shocking. Not every players feigns injury
Key thing now to avoid a black card is just pull the lad back when he's clean through....and take a yeloow.
No player should be receiving a black card now if they're half-wise.
Why pull down a player when you can just grab his jersey and hold him back?
Watched the game again, keeper done a bad fumble, but never a penalty, McHugh was surrounded and just went down trying to get a penalty. On rewatching the game still think Donegal Stephen Mc, should been black carded, Murphy scored a mighty point 2nd half but Rodgers destroyed him in extra time. Derry will be happy with that, a 1st Ulster in 24yrs, not worry what people think of their style of play, they just needed to win this game. They be stronger up front nxt Yr if a few lads come bck and the younger lads on bench are a Yr older. They come a long way from playing London in Ballinascreen with just 300 people watching them in Div 4 just 3yrs ago.
Ah lads, was never a penalty. Would have liked to see Donegal take their point quickly at the end rather than Murphy going for goal. Force the ref to allow the kickout and see what happens. Anyway, it's all speculation now.
My advice to the Derry wans ... don't worry about black cards, penalties, frees, defensive football etc. you boys have what all the rest of us wanted at this point - the 2022 Ulster title. Go and enjoy it.
Quote from: StephenC on May 30, 2022, 08:43:27 AM
Ah lads, was never a penalty. Would have liked to see Donegal take their point quickly at the end rather than Murphy going for goal. Force the ref to allow the kickout and see what happens. Anyway, it's all speculation now.
My advice to the Derry wans ... don't worry about black cards, penalties, frees, defensive football etc. you boys have what all the rest of us wanted at this point - the 2022 Ulster title. Go and enjoy it.
Good point - I thought ref would have blew it up straight away after Murphy's shot.
I wonder did he not ask the ref how long was left. Could have took the the point and set up for the kick out and pressed it.
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Great to see Derry win. Thought it had more than a breakthrough whiff of Armagh in 1999. Probably one more star forward, a MFer (or middle 8 player) and a goalie short of being genuine AI contenders. I'm sure McFaul is regretting his decision atm.
The year's not over for Donegal but surely its the end of an era regardless, hard to see Bonner returning, Donegal have always seemed a bit timid and one dimensional under his direction. Will Murphy go or maybe even become Manager or Player manager?
I think Derrys downfall will be the lack of any star forwards.
I thought that would be our problem this year but scores have come from everywhere to be fair.
Shane McGuigan is absolutely a star forward btw!!
Nothing been shown by him at this level so far that suggests he is to be honest. Seems like a decent free taker but isn't threatening enough from play.
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Brilliant from Derry and well deserved winners. Had an inkling they'd be fit for Donegal and probably should have saw the game out in normal time had the rules been applied correctly (black card x2). While the whole team put a massive shift a few men really stepped up to the plate, Glass, Loughlin and Rogers who was immense. Think Derry can give the AI a good rattle now and no one will fancy meeting them.
It's been a long time since a team came out of nowhere to win Sam.
Tyrone last year? ;)
Probably needs to stay closer to goal, as he got the ball at the end normal time yesterday, Donegal had 4 players going to him, before off loading to Glass for the shot. Needs to work on shooting of the right foot, P Bradley learned to do this after been Strictly left footed in his early days, and this made So hard to mark. He needs support from the other forwards, sure Dangerous forwards like Brennan, McBearty, and Langan got little leeway either.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:34:39 AM
Probably needs to stay closer to goal, as he got the ball at the end normal time yesterday, Donegal had 4 players going to him, before off loading to Glass for the shot. Needs to work on shooting of the right foot, P Bradley learned to do this after been Strictly left footed in his early days, and this made So hard to mark. He needs support from the other forwards, sure Dangerous forwards like Brennan, McBearty, and Langan got little leeway either.
Is Mc Brearty not very one footed?
Quote from: ONeill on May 29, 2022, 11:54:32 PM
That was a weird ball McBrearty played in when a point behind with 2 mins left in extra time. It sort of went against everything they'd been doing all game.
I was in line with him on the Hill and it was a shot, but he pulled something. He looked absolutely out on his feet to be honest, McKaigue made his life a misery.
Sickened at that yesterday from a Donegal POV. Comhghairdeas to Derry though, they have incredible energy and hunger this year. I think they will cause some noise in Croke Park.
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
He went on the outside once in the 2nd half and got a bit of a run on McKaigue but no score at the end of it. McKaigue had him completely wrapped up, I've rarely seen a marking job like it (other than last year!).
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
He went on the outside once in the 2nd half and got a bit of a run on McKaigue but no score at the end of it. McKaigue had him completely wrapped up, I've rarely seen a marking job like it (other than last year!).
I think if people are going to man-mark a player, they need to do it like Mc Kaigue. Sacrifice their own game 100% and not even touch the ball during the game.
E.g. in hurling if you're man-marking Cian Lynch, you need to do it Mc Kaigue style. Sacrifice your own game for 70+ mins and limit his influence rather than just if he pops into your zone, then you pick him up.
Similiar to Ciarán Kilkenny - needs a proper man-marker.
Give up your game - needs a lot of mental disclipline. Takes a special type of player.
Quote from: marty34 on May 30, 2022, 09:59:41 AM
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
He went on the outside once in the 2nd half and got a bit of a run on McKaigue but no score at the end of it. McKaigue had him completely wrapped up, I've rarely seen a marking job like it (other than last year!).
I think if people are going to man-mark a player, they need to do it like Mc Kaigue. Sacrifice their own game 100% and not even touch the ball during the game.
E.g. in hurling if you're man-marking Cian Lynch, you need to do it Mc Kaigue style. Sacrifice your own game for 70+ mins and limit his influence rather than just if he pops into your zone, then you pick him up.
Similiar to Ciarán Kilkenny - needs a proper man-marker.
Give up your game - needs a lot of mental disclipline. Takes a special type of player.
Takes an even more special type of player to do what BR did then.
Not only mark Murphy out of the game but also tack on a few points for good measure
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
He went on the outside once in the 2nd half and got a bit of a run on McKaigue but no score at the end of it. McKaigue had him completely wrapped up, I've rarely seen a marking job like it (other than last year!).
I think if people are going to man-mark a player, they need to do it like Mc Kaigue. Sacrifice their own game 100% and not even touch the ball during the game.
E.g. in hurling if you're man-marking Cian Lynch, you need to do it Mc Kaigue style. Sacrifice your own game for 70+ mins and limit his influence rather than just if he pops into your zone, then you pick him up.
Similiar to Ciarán Kilkenny - needs a proper man-marker.
Give up your game - needs a lot of mental disclipline. Takes a special type of player.
Takes an even more special type of player to do what BR did then.
Not only mark Murphy out of the game but also tack on a few points for good measure
I was frustrated that Donegal didn't react to Rogers. Put Murphy inside for a sustained long period and see how Rogers and Derry reacts to that.
Rogers was absolutely sensational no doubt about that. Just from a Donegal POV frustrating not to see some reaction to how he was influencing the game.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
He went on the outside once in the 2nd half and got a bit of a run on McKaigue but no score at the end of it. McKaigue had him completely wrapped up, I've rarely seen a marking job like it (other than last year!).
I think if people are going to man-mark a player, they need to do it like Mc Kaigue. Sacrifice their own game 100% and not even touch the ball during the game.
E.g. in hurling if you're man-marking Cian Lynch, you need to do it Mc Kaigue style. Sacrifice your own game for 70+ mins and limit his influence rather than just if he pops into your zone, then you pick him up.
Similiar to Ciarán Kilkenny - needs a proper man-marker.
Give up your game - needs a lot of mental disclipline. Takes a special type of player.
Takes an even more special type of player to do what BR did then.
Not only mark Murphy out of the game but also tack on a few points for good measure
I don't know about that. More disclipline, unseen disclipline to do what Mc Kaigue does.
I'd say that's why Gallagher put Rogers on Murphy. He knew Murphy would be out around the middle and if anyone knows Rogers, he has the legs on anybody.
This was clear to see in extra-time, even during the match itself. He had the legs on Murphy. As I said before, put Murphy at No. 14 and put Mc Brearty around him. Bonnar should have kept Rogers back in the full back line.
What Mc Kaigue does on a regular basis is very much unseen, hard discliplined graft.
Doire deserved this years Ulster Title beating 3 div 1 teams, some amount of crying about the game from so called neutrals.it was very tense and nervy yes but the munster final was a joke.Derry had some support yesterday and great to see and it will give the whole county a lift.We are in bonus territory now and see where this journey takes us.
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
Is that so? What an opportunity for Derry - I would fancy you heavily to beat anyone left in the qualifiers especially if you take Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal out of it (and there's no reason you wouldn't beat any of us again as well). Really it's just Mayo you'd want to watch out for in the quarters but I would fancy Derry to beat them.
Our best hope in Donegal is to draw one of the Div 2 sides in the qualifiers to try and get the win and then hopefully get Galway in the quarters. Not saying we would beat Galway but without doubt the best draw remaining.
Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
Are you sure that's right?? I thought it was an open draw.
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Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
Are you sure that's right?? I thought it was an open draw.
I'd say most teams would fancy playing Limerick.
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Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
Are you sure that's right?? I thought it was an open draw.
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Quote from: FermGael on May 30, 2022, 08:08:29 AM
GaaboardMod5 quick question.
Is it an open draw for the quarter final pairing ?
From the GAA booklet thingy....hopefully the make the draw and venue announcement on the Monday after Rd 2 (13 June) to allow fans plan travel and so on.
"All-Ireland Series
Quarter-Finals
25-26.06.2022 (Sat/Sun)
(Four Games)
Each of the four Provincial Final Winners shall play against one of the four Winners of Round 2.
Draw is Subject to Provincial Final Winners avoiding defeated finalists from their own Province in this Round and to the avoidance of repeat pairings where possible.Venues for Quarter-Finals shall be determined by the Central Competitions Control Committee."
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Took this from the Sam Qualifiers thread
Good stuff!
Would some headache if Donegal Tyrone and Monaghan all get through!!
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
He went on the outside once in the 2nd half and got a bit of a run on McKaigue but no score at the end of it. McKaigue had him completely wrapped up, I've rarely seen a marking job like it (other than last year!).
I think if people are going to man-mark a player, they need to do it like Mc Kaigue. Sacrifice their own game 100% and not even touch the ball during the game.
E.g. in hurling if you're man-marking Cian Lynch, you need to do it Mc Kaigue style. Sacrifice your own game for 70+ mins and limit his influence rather than just if he pops into your zone, then you pick him up.
Similiar to Ciarán Kilkenny - needs a proper man-marker.
Give up your game - needs a lot of mental disclipline. Takes a special type of player.
Takes an even more special type of player to do what BR did then.
Not only mark Murphy out of the game but also tack on a few points for good measure
I was frustrated that Donegal didn't react to Rogers. Put Murphy inside for a sustained long period and see how Rogers and Derry reacts to that.
Rogers was absolutely sensational no doubt about that. Just from a Donegal POV frustrating not to see some reaction to how he was influencing the game.
Maybe there IS something to Rory Gallagher's quip about Murphy being the manager. Maybe Murphy just doesn't WANT to go inside? I've heard Bonner say before he leaves it up to himself to decide when he's out there.
I was at this point two years ago, but Bonner has to step down now. He has done sterling work for Donegal football, particularly in bringing all those players through over the last decade, but the senior team is just not progressing under him any more.
But... is there anyone in the county who can make a decent fist of it? If not, who do we bring in? Rochford himself? I'd love to know what exactly his role is, as his Mayo and Corofin teams were superb at all aspects of the game. I can't believe we don't have the players to make more of an impact than we currently are with this ultra-slow, lateral passing shite we've been at the past 18 months. When Bonner came in first, we were playing fast, quick-passing football, with runners coming in from all angles to create space. Now were are just being herded into blind alleys along the sideline, akin to the very worst of what we were doing in 2016/2017 under Rory Gallagher, having to just go back and forth across the field and hope that Mogan or Ban manage to punch a hole in the barricade.
I'm delighted for Derry, and pleased to see another team challenging for and from Ulster, but at this moment, I just want the season to be over and for us to move on to the next era, whatever that will be. Because Donegal legend he may be and will always be, Bonner is not sorting out our problems at this stage. Its the same thing over and over again, and I honestly don't know if I can be bothered watching us come unstuck in the same old manner against a skillful, physical team like Mayo in the qualifiers.
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Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 30, 2022, 09:46:16 AM
He is indeed which is why he struggled to get away from Chris's McK, They know what foot he's going onto.
He went on the outside once in the 2nd half and got a bit of a run on McKaigue but no score at the end of it. McKaigue had him completely wrapped up, I've rarely seen a marking job like it (other than last year!).
I think if people are going to man-mark a player, they need to do it like Mc Kaigue. Sacrifice their own game 100% and not even touch the ball during the game.
E.g. in hurling if you're man-marking Cian Lynch, you need to do it Mc Kaigue style. Sacrifice your own game for 70+ mins and limit his influence rather than just if he pops into your zone, then you pick him up.
Similiar to Ciarán Kilkenny - needs a proper man-marker.
Give up your game - needs a lot of mental disclipline. Takes a special type of player.
Takes an even more special type of player to do what BR did then.
Not only mark Murphy out of the game but also tack on a few points for good measure
I was frustrated that Donegal didn't react to Rogers. Put Murphy inside for a sustained long period and see how Rogers and Derry reacts to that.
Rogers was absolutely sensational no doubt about that. Just from a Donegal POV frustrating not to see some reaction to how he was influencing the game.
Maybe there IS something to Rory Gallagher's quip about Murphy being the manager. Maybe Murphy just doesn't WANT to go inside? I've heard Bonner say before he leaves it up to himself to decide when he's out there.
I was at this point two years ago, but Bonner has to step down now. He has done sterling work for Donegal football, particularly in bringing all those players through over the last decade, but the senior team is just not progressing under him any more.
But... is there anyone in the county who can make a decent fist of it? If not, who do we bring in? Rochford himself? I'd love to know what exactly his role is, as his Mayo and Corofin teams were superb at all aspects of the game. I can't believe we don't have the players to make more of an impact than we currently are with this ultra-slow, lateral passing shite we've been at the past 18 months. When Bonner came in first, we were playing fast, quick-passing football, with runners coming in from all angles to create space. Now were are just being herded into blind alleys along the sideline, akin to the very worst of what we were doing in 2016/2017 under Rory Gallagher, having to just go back and forth across the field and hope that Mogan or Ban manage to punch a hole in the barricade.
I'm delighted for Derry, and pleased to see another team challenging for and from Ulster, but at this moment, I just want the season to be over and for us to move on to the next era, whatever that will be. Because Donegal legend he may be and will always be, Bonner is not sorting out our problems at this stage. Its the same thing over and over again, and I honestly don't know if I can be bothered watching us come unstuck in the same old manner against a skillful, physical team like Mayo in the qualifiers.
Good point re: Murphy.
Heard a few whimpers that he runs the show and that would explain things a bit.
Hard to implement a plan around that.
With Murphy on the square, they have enough rangy mid-fielders to built a platform on both sets of kick-outs.
Especially when in a game like yesterday he's mostly not doing anything that even someone of my own personal very limited ability couldn't do.
At various points he was the last player back apart from Patton, just fisting the ball off laterally to someone else.
Murphy is by far our best player to see and pick out a kick pass into a forward, and it would be fine if he was doing that, but I can't remember him doing that once yesterday. Other days he can do that. Yesterday he couldn't, so it was an utter waste to leave him out the field doing basic shit that anyone could do. I'm not saying put him in around the square all the time - he kicked two great scores from play, one of which he created himself by winning a kick-out, but as has been said, leaving him out the field on balance just played in Rodgers' and Derry's hands.
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
One of Derrys famous sons once called Cavan the black death even though they were top scorers in the league in the country at the time and even after they put a big score against Derry in the qualifiers in Celtic park. He seems to have forgotten all that now though! I dont see much different in the way Derry approach their games vrs that Cavan team. The problem is now Derry will need to change as you wont beat Dublin or Kerry playing like that in my opinion.
The Derry Galway side of the draw is the one to get on. As a Tyrone fan I'd prefer Galway but a few hurdles to clear before then!!
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Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
One of Derrys famous sons once called Cavan the black death even though they were top scorers in the league in the country at the time and even after they put a big score against Derry in the qualifiers in Celtic park. He seems to have forgotten all that now though! I dont see much different in the way Derry approach their games vrs that Cavan team. The problem is now Derry will need to change as you wont beat Dublin or Kerry playing like that in my opinion.
On the one hand I agree.
But then I remember hearing that sort of thing before about Tyrone/Armagh in the 00s and even about Donegal in 2012, so who knows.
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Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
One of Derrys famous sons once called Cavan the black death even though they were top scorers in the league in the country at the time and even after they put a big score against Derry in the qualifiers in Celtic park. He seems to have forgotten all that now though! I dont see much different in the way Derry approach their games vrs that Cavan team. The problem is now Derry will need to change as you wont beat Dublin or Kerry playing like that in my opinion.
On the one hand I agree.
But then I remember hearing that sort of thing before about Tyrone/Armagh in the 00s and even about Donegal in 2012, so who knows.
I think teams started to move away from the total blanket defence (thankfully) and not as sharp as playing against it. Be interested to see how Derry get on and nobody will want to play them but at same time the opposition will fancy their chances.
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Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
One of Derrys famous sons once called Cavan the black death even though they were top scorers in the league in the country at the time and even after they put a big score against Derry in the qualifiers in Celtic park. He seems to have forgotten all that now though! I dont see much different in the way Derry approach their games vrs that Cavan team. The problem is now Derry will need to change as you wont beat Dublin or Kerry playing like that in my opinion.
On the one hand I agree.
But then I remember hearing that sort of thing before about Tyrone/Armagh in the 00s and even about Donegal in 2012, so who knows.
I think teams started to move away from the total blanket defence (thankfully) and not as sharp as playing against it. Be interested to see how Derry get on and nobody will want to play them but at same time the opposition will fancy their chances.
Yeah I'd agree with that, though I don't mind the blanket. I just think its another tactic that teams have to overcome.
Whatever happens Derry this year, it's all a bonus now.
Quote from: Itchy on May 30, 2022, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: Estimator on May 30, 2022, 11:15:53 AM
Derry beat every Anglo-Celt winner from 2009-2021 (with the exception of Cavan) to win this. Scoring 1-18, 3-12 and 1-16. Decent returns for a dull dour defensive team :o
Think its 4wks now until the next game and I believe we can't meet a team we've faced already in the QF which is a bonus.
One of Derrys famous sons once called Cavan the black death even though they were top scorers in the league in the country at the time and even after they put a big score against Derry in the qualifiers in Celtic park. He seems to have forgotten all that now though! I dont see much different in the way Derry approach their games vrs that Cavan team. The problem is now Derry will need to change as you wont beat Dublin or Kerry playing like that in my opinion.
Brolly picks and chooses
Judging by my research this was the first time all 15 players in an Ulster winning team were from South Derry. I had thought 1958 was the same but it seems Sean O'Connell was on that team. To be fair though Slaughtneil and Glen feel like North Derry in my eyes. Once you hit the Glenshane it just doesn't feel like South Derry to me.
Fair play to Derry. Wish we were more like them.
Are all AIQFs in Croker??
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 30, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
Judging by my research this was the first time all 15 players in an Ulster winning team were from South Derry. I had thought 1958 was the same but it seems Sean O'Connell was on that team. To be fair though Slaughtneil and Glen feel like North Derry in my eyes. Once you hit the Glenshane it just doesn't feel like South Derry to me.
Did Patsy Gornley and Brian Mullan play in the ulster final in 58?
Glen and Slaughtneil both the southern side of Glenshane.
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2022, 10:25:48 PM
Are all AIQFs in Croker??
Would need to be double headers, 25th/26th June.
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2022, 10:25:48 PM
Are all AIQFs in Croker??
The AIQF's venues will be determined by the CCCC apparently... they are on Sat/Sun 25/26 June
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 30, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
Judging by my research this was the first time all 15 players in an Ulster winning team were from South Derry. I had thought 1958 was the same but it seems Sean O'Connell was on that team. To be fair though Slaughtneil and Glen feel like North Derry in my eyes. Once you hit the Glenshane it just doesn't feel like South Derry to me.
You should take up research full-time. How many players on the 1975 team could see Lough Beg from their house? It would have as much relevance as this outdated shite. Once you go over the Moyola it just doesn't feel like the Broagh anymore, does it?!!!
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 30, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
Judging by my research this was the first time all 15 players in an Ulster winning team were from South Derry. I had thought 1958 was the same but it seems Sean O'Connell was on that team. To be fair though Slaughtneil and Glen feel like North Derry in my eyes. Once you hit the Glenshane it just doesn't feel like South Derry to me.
Young mc Carron is from steelstown. Not on the starting 15 but he did feature as a sub.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 30, 2022, 09:13:12 PM
Judging by my research this was the first time all 15 players in an Ulster winning team were from South Derry. I had thought 1958 was the same but it seems Sean O'Connell was on that team. To be fair though Slaughtneil and Glen feel like North Derry in my eyes. Once you hit the Glenshane it just doesn't feel like South Derry to me.
When did Slaughtneil and Glen move over the mountain?
Quote from: Real Talk on May 30, 2022, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2022, 10:25:48 PM
Are all AIQFs in Croker??
The AIQF's venues will be determined by the CCCC apparently... they are on Sat/Sun 25/26 June
is it very good chance all 4 quarters are in croke park
Quote from: Eire90 on May 30, 2022, 11:43:01 PM
Quote from: Real Talk on May 30, 2022, 10:39:35 PM
Quote from: screenexile on May 30, 2022, 10:25:48 PM
Are all AIQFs in Croker??
The AIQF's venues will be determined by the CCCC apparently... they are on Sat/Sun 25/26 June
is it very good chance all 4 quarters are in croke park
You'd think double headers pver the 2 days would work well.
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
I was at the game and it was excellent nail-biting entertainment. I watched the replay on BBC and the analysis and commentary added to the appreciation of the tactics used, and increased the overall enjoyment factor. I tried to watch it on RTE and they focused on every negative, real and imagined . They talked like a couple of old woman disapproving of the antics of the youth today.
The puke is not what is happening on the field but what is coming from RTE. It's time they realised their job is to sell the positives of the game not react to the negatives. Their parochial attitudes have no place commenting on a national sport.
No others port in the world is given such negative exposure by those commissioned to promote and enhance its coverage.
The GAA need to think about that as should RTE management.
It was the best provincial final this year. Hands down.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 06:46:00 AM
I was at the game and it was excellent nail-biting entertainment. I watched the replay on BBC and the analysis and commentary added to the appreciation of the tactics used, and increased the overall enjoyment factor. I tried to watch it on RTE and they focused on every negative, real and imagined . They talked like a couple of old woman disapproving of the antics of the youth today.
The puke is not what is happening on the field but what is coming from RTE. It's time they realised their job is to sell the positives of the game not react to the negatives. Their parochial attitudes have no place commenting on a national sport.
No others port in the world is given such negative exposure by those commissioned to promote and enhance its coverage.
The GAA need to think about that as should RTE management.
Oisín McConville called it a game of basketball.
In reference to the tactics not the quality.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 01, 2022, 06:54:38 AM
It was the best provincial final this year. Hands down.
Ciaran Whelan acknowledged that.
"Opinions are great but the reality is that Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh were all in Division One this year and Derry and Down, albeit they were relegated, in Division Two so that's six out of the province in the top two divisions.
"There's no other province that can boast that same record so it is competitive to say the least and that's grand to a certain extent but it's not great if you're beat in the first round. We've drawn Donegal and Tyrone I don't know how many times in the last decade and that makes things harder.
And Derry did it the hard way this year, beating three of those Division One teams McKaigue mentioned – Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal in the Ulster final. Meanwhile, Kerry cantered home in Munster by beating Cork by 12 points and Limerick by 23.
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"Donegal have a reputation over the last number of years of being fantastic defensively but they don't get the credit for how well tuned-in tactically they are," he said.
"Their attacks are premeditated and very well structured and you get the feeling that everything they do, they know exactly who they want to shoot and how they want to orchestrate the shot.
"You look at the number of scores they've got in Division One over the last two or three years and they've averaged 17-18 points. That's not talked about much in the media. Look at the stats of how much teams are scoring in inter-county now in comparison to 10 years ago, it's day and night.
"There's a level of our game now tactically, physically... Look at the crowds now going to the games, I think the game is in really good health all the boys and girls that I know of want to be playing GAA. I think GAA in Derry and I do believe in Ulster and beyond is in really good health at the minute. I honestly do believe that."
Chrissy mc Keagues thoughts in today's Irish News.
Take not of his comments on Donegal and how their work is not appreciated.
It is not appreciated because we are listening to commentators like Marty Morrisey who really does not appreciat the entirety of Football
I'd listen to the likes of McKaigue over anyone on rte!
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 01, 2022, 08:18:34 AM
I'd listen to the likes of McKaigue over anyone on rte!
Even The Gooch? 5 All Irelands 8 All Stars?
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 01, 2022, 07:16:25 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 06:46:00 AM
I was at the game and it was excellent nail-biting entertainment. I watched the replay on BBC and the analysis and commentary added to the appreciation of the tactics used, and increased the overall enjoyment factor. I tried to watch it on RTE and they focused on every negative, real and imagined . They talked like a couple of old woman disapproving of the antics of the youth today.
The puke is not what is happening on the field but what is coming from RTE. It's time they realised their job is to sell the positives of the game not react to the negatives. Their parochial attitudes have no place commenting on a national sport.
No others port in the world is given such negative exposure by those commissioned to promote and enhance its coverage.
The GAA need to think about that as should RTE management.
Oisín McConville called it a game of basketball.
That is because Armagh weren't playing! Anyhow many great footballers weren't bad at the basketball either!!
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 08:48:31 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 01, 2022, 07:16:25 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 06:46:00 AM
I was at the game and it was excellent nail-biting entertainment. I watched the replay on BBC and the analysis and commentary added to the appreciation of the tactics used, and increased the overall enjoyment factor. I tried to watch it on RTE and they focused on every negative, real and imagined . They talked like a couple of old woman disapproving of the antics of the youth today.
The puke is not what is happening on the field but what is coming from RTE. It's time they realised their job is to sell the positives of the game not react to the negatives. Their parochial attitudes have no place commenting on a national sport.
No others port in the world is given such negative exposure by those commissioned to promote and enhance its coverage.
The GAA need to think about that as should RTE management.
Oisín McConville called it a game of basketball.
That is because Armagh weren't playing! Anyhow many great footballers weren't bad at the basketball either!!
Big Donaghey! I think as someone said it was tactics more than anything else he was referring to, my point is if it was RTE he would have been anti Ulster blah blah blah.
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
Yeah I agree that the hand-wringing over the final is a joke to be honest, we've all endured much much worse games than that, like you say the Monaghan Donegal finals in 2013 and 2015 I think were worse, I could list off a good chunk of games from the top of my head that were much worse than Sunday.
Hope I'm not coming across as sour grapes, it's the opposite for me I've great admiration for what Derry have done, and done the hard way. I'm just disappointed we didn't kick on when we got 2 points up as I felt we had managed the game pretty well to that point. Obviously Derry played their way back into it and some of the skills, running and hunger on display were brilliant, but it's natural enough after a loss to look internally about what went wrong for your own team I think. Don't mean it as sour grapes when I say things like "we should have kicked on" or "we had it and lost it" or things like that.
I agree with you on the atmosphere in Clones too, people complaining about it being quiet for periods, to be honest I don't know about anyone else but whenever I was quiet it was because I was sick to my stomach with the tension of it all, I couldn't take my eyes off the pitch which I heard Ciarán Murphy of Second Captains suggest - he said "you could literally go away and make yourself a sandwich and a cuppa tae and come back and nothing would have happened". Eejit.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 08:02:36 AM
"Opinions are great but the reality is that Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh were all in Division One this year and Derry and Down, albeit they were relegated, in Division Two so that's six out of the province in the top two divisions.
"There's no other province that can boast that same record so it is competitive to say the least and that's grand to a certain extent but it's not great if you're beat in the first round. We've drawn Donegal and Tyrone I don't know how many times in the last decade and that makes things harder.
And Derry did it the hard way this year, beating three of those Division One teams McKaigue mentioned – Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal in the Ulster final. Meanwhile, Kerry cantered home in Munster by beating Cork by 12 points and Limerick by 23.
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"Donegal have a reputation over the last number of years of being fantastic defensively but they don't get the credit for how well tuned-in tactically they are," he said.
"Their attacks are premeditated and very well structured and you get the feeling that everything they do, they know exactly who they want to shoot and how they want to orchestrate the shot.
"You look at the number of scores they've got in Division One over the last two or three years and they've averaged 17-18 points. That's not talked about much in the media. Look at the stats of how much teams are scoring in inter-county now in comparison to 10 years ago, it's day and night.
"There's a level of our game now tactically, physically... Look at the crowds now going to the games, I think the game is in really good health all the boys and girls that I know of want to be playing GAA. I think GAA in Derry and I do believe in Ulster and beyond is in really good health at the minute. I honestly do believe that."
Chrissy mc Keagues thoughts in today's Irish News.
Take not of his comments on Donegal and how their work is not appreciated.
It is not appreciated because we are listening to commentators like Marty Morrisey who really does not appreciat the entirety of Football
Thanks for sharing that, very interesting. I think from a Donegal POV what he says about us is actually part of supporters' frustrations and actually has made me even more worried about our game. You hear reports of players having individualness coached out of them all through the county down through the clubs, sticking to the process etc., to see it laid out from one of our intercounty rivals that that is the case and that we are extremely good at it... I mean of course it's effective but I don't think it will get us over the line in these big games, sometimes you just need an alternative to what you've been doing over and over. And if players are so well drilled on what they *should* do and who *should* be the shooter, when a player who isn't the "shooter" gets in position, is his first instinct to turn and look for the pass rather than take the shot on? That worries me a wee bit.
I was quite pleased to have Shane O'Donnell and Conor O'Donnell on the panel this year as they seemed to do things a little differently in the forward line, but unfortunately Conor hasn't had much gametime in championship. I think Shane had a good game against Derry, chipped in with 2 points.
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 08:02:36 AM
"Opinions are great but the reality is that Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh were all in Division One this year and Derry and Down, albeit they were relegated, in Division Two so that's six out of the province in the top two divisions.
"There's no other province that can boast that same record so it is competitive to say the least and that's grand to a certain extent but it's not great if you're beat in the first round. We've drawn Donegal and Tyrone I don't know how many times in the last decade and that makes things harder.
And Derry did it the hard way this year, beating three of those Division One teams McKaigue mentioned – Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal in the Ulster final. Meanwhile, Kerry cantered home in Munster by beating Cork by 12 points and Limerick by 23.
.
"Donegal have a reputation over the last number of years of being fantastic defensively but they don't get the credit for how well tuned-in tactically they are," he said.
"Their attacks are premeditated and very well structured and you get the feeling that everything they do, they know exactly who they want to shoot and how they want to orchestrate the shot.
"You look at the number of scores they've got in Division One over the last two or three years and they've averaged 17-18 points. That's not talked about much in the media. Look at the stats of how much teams are scoring in inter-county now in comparison to 10 years ago, it's day and night.
"There's a level of our game now tactically, physically... Look at the crowds now going to the games, I think the game is in really good health all the boys and girls that I know of want to be playing GAA. I think GAA in Derry and I do believe in Ulster and beyond is in really good health at the minute. I honestly do believe that."
Chrissy mc Keagues thoughts in today's Irish News.
Take not of his comments on Donegal and how their work is not appreciated.
It is not appreciated because we are listening to commentators like Marty Morrisey who really does not appreciat the entirety of Football
I wouldn't argue with many of his points but he sees things totally through his prism as a player. In terms of the players preparation, physically, mentally, tactically and their overall skill level, the game has never been better. But that does not translate to a better spectacle.
For instance he says that Donegals attacks are premeditated and structured as though it is a positive. And maybe it is from a coaches perspective. And certain types of players like to be told exactly what to do, where to run, what to eat, how much to sleep in a game that is broken down into numbers and statistics. But from a spectator perspective I want to see a bit of spontaneity, risk taking, unpredictability and individual flair. It discourages creative thinking. We are in era of massive over coaching where the game leans heavily on GPS data, statistics, video analysis. What we seen on Sunday was a game of risk reduction and two teams trying to make the least amount of mistakes and in that case the fear of losing becomes greater than the desire to win.
It was great to see Derry win the match and there has probably been no more deserving winner of an Ulster championship in recent years considering the teams that they beat, but that shouldn't stop us from analysing the game the way we see it. If people disagree with that then just accept it as being a differing opinion as to what constitutes a good spectacle.
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
I didn't say a word about Derry in that post. In other posts I've only congratulated them and expressed that I'm pleased they're finally back. I'm talking about Donegal and how poor they've been for 18 months. So enjoy your win and stop looking for offense where it doesn't exist.
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
I didn't say a word about Derry in that post. In other posts I've only congratulated them and expressed that I'm pleased they're finally back. I'm talking about Donegal and how poor they've been for 18 months. So enjoy your win and stop looking for offense where it doesn't exist.
Your inference is that Derry won because Donegal didn't play well. That detracts from Derry's win whether you fully realised/meant that or not. Lazy commentary, like RTÉ. Enjoying the win of course!! And forever! If it takes another 24 years, I'll not be around!!
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
I didn't say a word about Derry in that post. In other posts I've only congratulated them and expressed that I'm pleased they're finally back. I'm talking about Donegal and how poor they've been for 18 months. So enjoy your win and stop looking for offense where it doesn't exist.
Your inference is that Derry won because Donegal didn't play well. That detracts from Derry's win whether you fully realised/meant that or not. Lazy commentary, like RTÉ. Enjoying the win of course!! And forever! If it takes another 24 years, I'll not be around!!
That's YOUR inference.
I'm complaining about how Donegal are playing, not only in this match, but for months and months now. The tactical approach, not whether the team played well and how it executed the game plan on the day. Had we been developing a less negative approach, we might have won, but then again we might not and we might have lost more heavily. But I'm not talking about the RESULT of this game. I already said that even if we had won, it would have been a hollow victory for me (I said the same under Rory Gallagher when we lost that awful, if equally tight and tense, final to Tyrone in 2016 in the last kick of the 2012 team). I'm just fed up with our general, negative, fear-based approach, especially after the first couple of years under Bonner had been so promising. Which has nothing to do with Derry.
We were at the same shite down in Killarney in the league. Against Monaghan in the league. When we blew a healthy lead against Mayo in Sligo in the first game. All fear-based, risk-averse negativity.
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
I didn't say a word about Derry in that post. In other posts I've only congratulated them and expressed that I'm pleased they're finally back. I'm talking about Donegal and how poor they've been for 18 months. So enjoy your win and stop looking for offense where it doesn't exist.
Your inference is that Derry won because Donegal didn't play well. That detracts from Derry's win whether you fully realised/meant that or not. Lazy commentary, like RTÉ. Enjoying the win of course!! And forever! If it takes another 24 years, I'll not be around!!
That's YOUR inference.
I'm complaining about how Donegal are playing, not only in this match, but for months and months now. The tactical approach, not whether the team played well and how it executed the game plan on the day. Had we been developing a less negative approach, we might have won, but then again we might not and we might have lost more heavily. But I'm not talking about the RESULT of this game. I already said that even if we had won, it would have been a hollow victory for me (I said the same under Rory Gallagher when we lost that awful, if equally tight and tense, final to Tyrone in 2016 in the last kick of the 2012 team). I'm just fed up with our general, negative, fear-based approach, especially after the first couple of years under Bonner had been so promising. Which has nothing to do with Derry.
We were at the same shite down in Killarney in the league. Against Monaghan in the league. When we blew a healthy lead against Mayo in Sligo in the first game. All fear-based, risk-averse negativity.
Perhaps share your frustrations then on a Donegal thread rather than Derry v Donegal? You could even have you hollow victory sob without dragging Doire into it?
Jesus restorepride give the man a break... we all look to our own teams failings when we're beat it's only natural.
He's said far less than most of the media in the south have been saying all week!!
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
I didn't say a word about Derry in that post. In other posts I've only congratulated them and expressed that I'm pleased they're finally back. I'm talking about Donegal and how poor they've been for 18 months. So enjoy your win and stop looking for offense where it doesn't exist.
Your inference is that Derry won because Donegal didn't play well. That detracts from Derry's win whether you fully realised/meant that or not. Lazy commentary, like RTÉ. Enjoying the win of course!! And forever! If it takes another 24 years, I'll not be around!!
That's YOUR inference.
I'm complaining about how Donegal are playing, not only in this match, but for months and months now. The tactical approach, not whether the team played well and how it executed the game plan on the day. Had we been developing a less negative approach, we might have won, but then again we might not and we might have lost more heavily. But I'm not talking about the RESULT of this game. I already said that even if we had won, it would have been a hollow victory for me (I said the same under Rory Gallagher when we lost that awful, if equally tight and tense, final to Tyrone in 2016 in the last kick of the 2012 team). I'm just fed up with our general, negative, fear-based approach, especially after the first couple of years under Bonner had been so promising. Which has nothing to do with Derry.
We were at the same shite down in Killarney in the league. Against Monaghan in the league. When we blew a healthy lead against Mayo in Sligo in the first game. All fear-based, risk-averse negativity.
Perhaps share your frustrations then on a Donegal thread rather than Derry v Donegal? You could even have you hollow victory sob without dragging Doire into it?
How about you put me on ignore if my musings bother you so much?
There is no Donegal thread. There's only two or three of us on here at the very best of times.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 01, 2022, 09:36:45 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 08:02:36 AM
"Opinions are great but the reality is that Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh were all in Division One this year and Derry and Down, albeit they were relegated, in Division Two so that's six out of the province in the top two divisions.
"There's no other province that can boast that same record so it is competitive to say the least and that's grand to a certain extent but it's not great if you're beat in the first round. We've drawn Donegal and Tyrone I don't know how many times in the last decade and that makes things harder.
And Derry did it the hard way this year, beating three of those Division One teams McKaigue mentioned – Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal in the Ulster final. Meanwhile, Kerry cantered home in Munster by beating Cork by 12 points and Limerick by 23.
.
"Donegal have a reputation over the last number of years of being fantastic defensively but they don't get the credit for how well tuned-in tactically they are," he said.
"Their attacks are premeditated and very well structured and you get the feeling that everything they do, they know exactly who they want to shoot and how they want to orchestrate the shot.
"You look at the number of scores they've got in Division One over the last two or three years and they've averaged 17-18 points. That's not talked about much in the media. Look at the stats of how much teams are scoring in inter-county now in comparison to 10 years ago, it's day and night.
"There's a level of our game now tactically, physically... Look at the crowds now going to the games, I think the game is in really good health all the boys and girls that I know of want to be playing GAA. I think GAA in Derry and I do believe in Ulster and beyond is in really good health at the minute. I honestly do believe that."
Chrissy mc Keagues thoughts in today's Irish News.
Take not of his comments on Donegal and how their work is not appreciated.
It is not appreciated because we are listening to commentators like Marty Morrisey who really does not appreciat the entirety of Football
I wouldn't argue with many of his points but he sees things totally through his prism as a player. In terms of the players preparation, physically, mentally, tactically and their overall skill level, the game has never been better. But that does not translate to a better spectacle.
For instance he says that Donegals attacks are premeditated and structured as though it is a positive. And maybe it is from a coaches perspective. And certain types of players like to be told exactly what to do, where to run, what to eat, how much to sleep in a game that is broken down into numbers and statistics. But from a spectator perspective I want to see a bit of spontaneity, risk taking, unpredictability and individual flair. It discourages creative thinking. We are in era of massive over coaching where the game leans heavily on GPS data, statistics, video analysis. What we seen on Sunday was a game of risk reduction and two teams trying to make the least amount of mistakes and in that case the fear of losing becomes greater than the desire to win.
It was great to see Derry win the match and there has probably been no more deserving winner of an Ulster championship in recent years considering the teams that they beat, but that shouldn't stop us from analysing the game the way we see it. If people disagree with that then just accept it as being a differing opinion as to what constitutes a good spectacle.
Great post. There needs to be some cognisance given to the state of the game as a spectacle. For a Derry man, it's only natural that the feeling is that, after 24 years, you don't really care how we won on Sunday. But that doesn't mean that once the dust has settled, we can't look at things objectively, and agree that the rules need to move with the game to improve the spectacle.
4 forwards inside the opposing 50 at all times would be a simple and effective start.
Quote from: Silver hill on June 02, 2022, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 01, 2022, 09:36:45 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 08:02:36 AM
"Opinions are great but the reality is that Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh were all in Division One this year and Derry and Down, albeit they were relegated, in Division Two so that's six out of the province in the top two divisions.
"There's no other province that can boast that same record so it is competitive to say the least and that's grand to a certain extent but it's not great if you're beat in the first round. We've drawn Donegal and Tyrone I don't know how many times in the last decade and that makes things harder.
And Derry did it the hard way this year, beating three of those Division One teams McKaigue mentioned – Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal in the Ulster final. Meanwhile, Kerry cantered home in Munster by beating Cork by 12 points and Limerick by 23.
.
"Donegal have a reputation over the last number of years of being fantastic defensively but they don't get the credit for how well tuned-in tactically they are," he said.
"Their attacks are premeditated and very well structured and you get the feeling that everything they do, they know exactly who they want to shoot and how they want to orchestrate the shot.
"You look at the number of scores they've got in Division One over the last two or three years and they've averaged 17-18 points. That's not talked about much in the media. Look at the stats of how much teams are scoring in inter-county now in comparison to 10 years ago, it's day and night.
"There's a level of our game now tactically, physically... Look at the crowds now going to the games, I think the game is in really good health all the boys and girls that I know of want to be playing GAA. I think GAA in Derry and I do believe in Ulster and beyond is in really good health at the minute. I honestly do believe that."
Chrissy mc Keagues thoughts in today's Irish News.
Take not of his comments on Donegal and how their work is not appreciated.
It is not appreciated because we are listening to commentators like Marty Morrisey who really does not appreciat the entirety of Football
I wouldn't argue with many of his points but he sees things totally through his prism as a player. In terms of the players preparation, physically, mentally, tactically and their overall skill level, the game has never been better. But that does not translate to a better spectacle.
For instance he says that Donegals attacks are premeditated and structured as though it is a positive. And maybe it is from a coaches perspective. And certain types of players like to be told exactly what to do, where to run, what to eat, how much to sleep in a game that is broken down into numbers and statistics. But from a spectator perspective I want to see a bit of spontaneity, risk taking, unpredictability and individual flair. It discourages creative thinking. We are in era of massive over coaching where the game leans heavily on GPS data, statistics, video analysis. What we seen on Sunday was a game of risk reduction and two teams trying to make the least amount of mistakes and in that case the fear of losing becomes greater than the desire to win.
It was great to see Derry win the match and there has probably been no more deserving winner of an Ulster championship in recent years considering the teams that they beat, but that shouldn't stop us from analysing the game the way we see it. If people disagree with that then just accept it as being a differing opinion as to what constitutes a good spectacle.
Great post. There needs to be some cognisance given to the state of the game as a spectacle. For a Derry man, it's only natural that the feeling is that, after 24 years, you don't really care how we won on Sunday. But that doesn't mean that once the dust has settled, we can't look at things objectively, and agree that the rules need to move with the game to improve the spectacle.
4 forwards inside the opposing 50 at all times would be a simple and effective start.
Maybe a laser beam across the 50, linked to a loud horn which alerts the masses when one of the 4 players steps over the line by an inch waiting on a ball to reach his length? I'd watch
Quote from: JoG2 on June 02, 2022, 12:40:37 AM
Quote from: Silver hill on June 02, 2022, 12:33:55 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 01, 2022, 09:36:45 AM
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 01, 2022, 08:02:36 AM
"Opinions are great but the reality is that Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh were all in Division One this year and Derry and Down, albeit they were relegated, in Division Two so that's six out of the province in the top two divisions.
"There's no other province that can boast that same record so it is competitive to say the least and that's grand to a certain extent but it's not great if you're beat in the first round. We've drawn Donegal and Tyrone I don't know how many times in the last decade and that makes things harder.
And Derry did it the hard way this year, beating three of those Division One teams McKaigue mentioned – Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal in the Ulster final. Meanwhile, Kerry cantered home in Munster by beating Cork by 12 points and Limerick by 23.
.
"Donegal have a reputation over the last number of years of being fantastic defensively but they don't get the credit for how well tuned-in tactically they are," he said.
"Their attacks are premeditated and very well structured and you get the feeling that everything they do, they know exactly who they want to shoot and how they want to orchestrate the shot.
"You look at the number of scores they've got in Division One over the last two or three years and they've averaged 17-18 points. That's not talked about much in the media. Look at the stats of how much teams are scoring in inter-county now in comparison to 10 years ago, it's day and night.
"There's a level of our game now tactically, physically... Look at the crowds now going to the games, I think the game is in really good health all the boys and girls that I know of want to be playing GAA. I think GAA in Derry and I do believe in Ulster and beyond is in really good health at the minute. I honestly do believe that."
Chrissy mc Keagues thoughts in today's Irish News.
Take not of his comments on Donegal and how their work is not appreciated.
It is not appreciated because we are listening to commentators like Marty Morrisey who really does not appreciat the entirety of Football
I wouldn't argue with many of his points but he sees things totally through his prism as a player. In terms of the players preparation, physically, mentally, tactically and their overall skill level, the game has never been better. But that does not translate to a better spectacle.
For instance he says that Donegals attacks are premeditated and structured as though it is a positive. And maybe it is from a coaches perspective. And certain types of players like to be told exactly what to do, where to run, what to eat, how much to sleep in a game that is broken down into numbers and statistics. But from a spectator perspective I want to see a bit of spontaneity, risk taking, unpredictability and individual flair. It discourages creative thinking. We are in era of massive over coaching where the game leans heavily on GPS data, statistics, video analysis. What we seen on Sunday was a game of risk reduction and two teams trying to make the least amount of mistakes and in that case the fear of losing becomes greater than the desire to win.
It was great to see Derry win the match and there has probably been no more deserving winner of an Ulster championship in recent years considering the teams that they beat, but that shouldn't stop us from analysing the game the way we see it. If people disagree with that then just accept it as being a differing opinion as to what constitutes a good spectacle.
Great post. There needs to be some cognisance given to the state of the game as a spectacle. For a Derry man, it's only natural that the feeling is that, after 24 years, you don't really care how we won on Sunday. But that doesn't mean that once the dust has settled, we can't look at things objectively, and agree that the rules need to move with the game to improve the spectacle.
4 forwards inside the opposing 50 at all times would be a simple and effective start.
Maybe a laser beam across the 50, linked to a loud horn which alerts the masses when one of the 4 players steps over the line by an inch waiting on a ball to reach his length? I'd watch
All sports evolve to improve their game.
Look at the back pass in soccer, the shot clock in basket ball or 5 points for a try in rugby.
They all do it...are we so arrogant that we think our game, in its current format, doesn't need to evolve with the tactics that are being employed currently?
Believe it on not, but there is an obligation on our administrators and delegates to make the game entertaining.
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 11:40:56 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 10:35:51 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:54 AM
Quote from: restorepride on June 01, 2022, 01:46:41 AM
Quote from: J70 on May 31, 2022, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 30, 2022, 03:01:12 PM
In terms of management I suppose Rory Kavanagh would be touted but people complaining about our style of play would want to be worried about the club game as well. Rochford I'm not convinced has brought anything since 2019. It's gotten very stale unfortunately, I thought Bonner was a breath of fresh air and the drawn game v Kerry in Croke Park 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days following Donegal in many a year. We played brilliant stuff that day.
But I suppose circumstances have meant we've not had a proper run since that year and in the intervening championships we seem to have become much more conservative and cautious in those big games. The Cavan defeat in 2020 I think was hugely damaging to the team and to Bonner.
I have heard those rumblings about Murphy before and I think maybe it's the case that he likes to drift out but if he was getting a clear instruction from management to stay inside for a certain amount of team in each game, from knowing his personality I would be very surprised if Murphy would just ignore that.
Fair point about the club game and how players in Donegal are developing, but surely that cycle has to break soon as well? I've been away for years, but I'm not sure I'd be too bothered sending my kids down to the local club if all they were learning was tactical blanket defense shite instead of just learning and playing the man-on-man game I grew up with. Surely people on the ground must be getting tired of this?
Back to Sunday, I don't think I've ever been as disillusioned about watching Donegal as I was during that game. Was texting about this with a mate from Cavan during it (he was in Clones and he thought it was awful shite!), and even if we had managed to sneak it, it would have been possibly the least satisfying Ulster win I'd ever experienced. Because I think it would have just papered over the cracks. Even as Ulster champions, we'd be going nowhere in the AI series. We're too easy to shut down, and we're far too fearful and risk-averse to compete with any of the leading contenders.
Whoever we get in the qualifiers, I'd love to see Bonner just take it as a free hit, make Murphy stay up on front with McBrearty and Brennan, and f**king go for it. Start pumping in some fast, long ball along with the running. Because what we're doing now has to end. We're not winning an AI anyway, so if we go out in the qualifiers instead of the QF, so what?
More shite on here than in Clones. And some very sour grapes because Derry outfoxed Donegal. I mean like, how dare we beat Donegal using the tactics Donegal used for years?! It actually was quite an enjoyable game overall and the atmosphere in Clones was brilliant. Much of the play and defensive blocking and dispossession was top class stuff - Paul Cassidy and Niall Loughlin. Some of the points Donegal scored were excellent - Murphy, McHugh, Mogan and Thompson. Some of Roger's runs were as exciting as any I've seen. Get off the players' backs or go watch Limerick v Kerry next year. Sunday was no different than a few Monaghan v Donegal finals in recent years. Also higher scoring so take off the blinkers.
I didn't say a word about Derry in that post. In other posts I've only congratulated them and expressed that I'm pleased they're finally back. I'm talking about Donegal and how poor they've been for 18 months. So enjoy your win and stop looking for offense where it doesn't exist.
Your inference is that Derry won because Donegal didn't play well. That detracts from Derry's win whether you fully realised/meant that or not. Lazy commentary, like RTÉ. Enjoying the win of course!! And forever! If it takes another 24 years, I'll not be around!!
That's YOUR inference.
I'm complaining about how Donegal are playing, not only in this match, but for months and months now. The tactical approach, not whether the team played well and how it executed the game plan on the day. Had we been developing a less negative approach, we might have won, but then again we might not and we might have lost more heavily. But I'm not talking about the RESULT of this game. I already said that even if we had won, it would have been a hollow victory for me (I said the same under Rory Gallagher when we lost that awful, if equally tight and tense, final to Tyrone in 2016 in the last kick of the 2012 team). I'm just fed up with our general, negative, fear-based approach, especially after the first couple of years under Bonner had been so promising. Which has nothing to do with Derry.
We were at the same shite down in Killarney in the league. Against Monaghan in the league. When we blew a healthy lead against Mayo in Sligo in the first game. All fear-based, risk-averse negativity.
Perhaps share your frustrations then on a Donegal thread rather than Derry v Donegal? You could even have you hollow victory sob without dragging Doire into it?
How about you put me on ignore if my musings bother you so much?
There is no Donegal thread. There's only two or three of us on here at the very best of times.
You could always start one? Nothing on here really bothers me - bit of an anonymous play ground - but the "awful shite" comment is an over reaction. Derry players deserve more respect than that as do those Donegal players who have given so much to the jersey at a higher level than Derry for many years. To call their efforts "pure shite" is really disloyal imo.
Restore, give it a rest man. For someone who 'doesn't really get too bothered' you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time trawling back over threads looking to rub the noses of anyone who has had the temerity to slight you or give an alternative opinion.
Only one think worse than a sore loser and that's a sore winner.
As a Derry man, brilliant that we won, but we are all allowed to have an opinion on the state of the game in general and if it was boring to watch or not.
Humbleness is what we need.
Brendan Rogers epitomises that
He is, the kind of player you would want your son to emulate
Rogers is a class act. As is McKaigue. Delighted to see a man like him lift the trophy at last.
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"Opinions are great but the reality is that Monaghan, Tyrone, Donegal and Armagh were all in Division One this year and Derry and Down, albeit they were relegated, in Division Two so that's six out of the province in the top two divisions.
"There's no other province that can boast that same record so it is competitive to say the least and that's grand to a certain extent but it's not great if you're beat in the first round. We've drawn Donegal and Tyrone I don't know how many times in the last decade and that makes things harder.
And Derry did it the hard way this year, beating three of those Division One teams McKaigue mentioned – Tyrone, Monaghan and Donegal in the Ulster final. Meanwhile, Kerry cantered home in Munster by beating Cork by 12 points and Limerick by 23.
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"Donegal have a reputation over the last number of years of being fantastic defensively but they don't get the credit for how well tuned-in tactically they are," he said.
"Their attacks are premeditated and very well structured and you get the feeling that everything they do, they know exactly who they want to shoot and how they want to orchestrate the shot.
"You look at the number of scores they've got in Division One over the last two or three years and they've averaged 17-18 points. That's not talked about much in the media. Look at the stats of how much teams are scoring in inter-county now in comparison to 10 years ago, it's day and night.
"There's a level of our game now tactically, physically... Look at the crowds now going to the games, I think the game is in really good health all the boys and girls that I know of want to be playing GAA. I think GAA in Derry and I do believe in Ulster and beyond is in really good health at the minute. I honestly do believe that."
Chrissy mc Keagues thoughts in today's Irish News.
Take not of his comments on Donegal and how their work is not appreciated.
It is not appreciated because we are listening to commentators like Marty Morrisey who really does not appreciat the entirety of Football
I wouldn't argue with many of his points but he sees things totally through his prism as a player. In terms of the players preparation, physically, mentally, tactically and their overall skill level, the game has never been better. But that does not translate to a better spectacle.
For instance he says that Donegals attacks are premeditated and structured as though it is a positive. And maybe it is from a coaches perspective. And certain types of players like to be told exactly what to do, where to run, what to eat, how much to sleep in a game that is broken down into numbers and statistics. But from a spectator perspective I want to see a bit of spontaneity, risk taking, unpredictability and individual flair. It discourages creative thinking. We are in era of massive over coaching where the game leans heavily on GPS data, statistics, video analysis. What we seen on Sunday was a game of risk reduction and two teams trying to make the least amount of mistakes and in that case the fear of losing becomes greater than the desire to win.
It was great to see Derry win the match and there has probably been no more deserving winner of an Ulster championship in recent years considering the teams that they beat, but that shouldn't stop us from analysing the game the way we see it. If people disagree with that then just accept it as being a differing opinion as to what constitutes a good spectacle.
Great post. There needs to be some cognisance given to the state of the game as a spectacle. For a Derry man, it's only natural that the feeling is that, after 24 years, you don't really care how we won on Sunday. But that doesn't mean that once the dust has settled, we can't look at things objectively, and agree that the rules need to move with the game to improve the spectacle.
4 forwards inside the opposing 50 at all times would be a simple and effective start.
Maybe a laser beam across the 50, linked to a loud horn which alerts the masses when one of the 4 players steps over the line by an inch waiting on a ball to reach his length? I'd watch
All sports evolve to improve their game.
Look at the back pass in soccer, the shot clock in basket ball or 5 points for a try in rugby.
They all do it...are we so arrogant that we think our game, in its current format, doesn't need to evolve with the tactics that are being employed currently?
Believe it on not, but there is an obligation on our administrators and delegates to make the game entertaining.
You use examples from a couple of other sports, with examples of changes, some of which happened 50+ years ago, as a reason why GAA structures rules need to change.
FGS the GAA is in a perpetual state of rules change, and it is never enough, even though there has been a dizzying array of changes to our playing rules and structures over the past 20 years.
There are plenty of turgid games in other sports but you would be hard pressed to find supporters of these sports who are more exercised about the way the game is played than GAA fans and media.
Every podcast and newspaper and discussion has a healthy proportion, and indeed I would suggest a majority, of opinion focused on some aspect of our games being changed, there are literally people making a living out of criticizing some aspect of our games. This just does not happen in any other sport that I can think of.
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Humbleness is what we need.
Brendan Rogers epitomises that
What a role model he is. Him and McKaigue both. I wish they were from Armagh
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Humbleness is what we need.
Brendan Rogers epitomises that
What a role model he is. Him and McKaigue both. I wish they were from Armagh
Armagh would be genuine contenders with two players of their calibre. Brendan Rogers was immense on Sunday
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Restore, give it a rest man. For someone who 'doesn't really get too bothered' you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time trawling back over threads looking to rub the noses of anyone who has had the temerity to slight you or give an alternative opinion.
Only one think worse than a sore loser and that's a sore winner.
As a Derry man, brilliant that we won, but we are all allowed to have an opinion on the state of the game in general and if it was boring to watch or not.
Did you find it boring or "shite"?
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Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on June 02, 2022, 10:23:03 AM
Humbleness is what we need.
Brendan Rogers epitomises that
What a role model he is. Him and McKaigue both. I wish they were from Armagh
Yeah 2 absolute class acts.
Great post. There needs to be some cognisance given to the state of the game as a spectacle. For a Derry man, it's only natural that the feeling is that, after 24 years, you don't really care how we won on Sunday. But that doesn't mean that once the dust has settled, we can't look at things objectively, and agree that the rules need to move with the game to improve the spectacle.
4 forwards inside the opposing 50 at all times would be a simple and effective start.
Watched the Dublin v Kildare game and that what Kildare were doing ... had 4 of their forwards inside the Dublin 50 ... and when Dublin scored their Goals those Kildare fowards were doing nothing... !!!!!
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Great post. There needs to be some cognisance given to the state of the game as a spectacle. For a Derry man, it's only natural that the feeling is that, after 24 years, you don't really care how we won on Sunday. But that doesn't mean that once the dust has settled, we can't look at things objectively, and agree that the rules need to move with the game to improve the spectacle.
4 forwards inside the opposing 50 at all times would be a simple and effective start.
Watched the Dublin v Kildare game and that what Kildare were doing ... had 4 of their forwards inside the Dublin 50 ... and when Dublin scored their Goals those Kildare fowards were doing nothing... !!!!!
I think how it's envisaged is that both teams would have to keep 2/3 outfield players in each half at all times. That way maybe small wouldn't have been up to score his goal!