Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[Banks of the Bann]

An interesting observation:

https://x.com/olenahalushka/status/1870026012035109216?s=46

'Make no mistake: russia bombing the downtown of the capital city with 4 million residents is considered routine. Ukraine conducting deep strikes against russian military bases is labeled as escalation. Future historians will feel secondhand embarrassment when studying this era.'

[seafoid]

Wonder will these assassinations inside Russia start to have any bleed through to the Russian public.

News in Russia is heavily censored. It is the same in Israel. The people don't get any real information.

[Dag Dog]

Wonder will these assassinations inside Russia start to have any bleed through to the Russian public.

News in Russia is heavily censored. It is the same in Israel. The people don't get any real information.

I'm sure they'll just blame the US and NATO for the attack.
As for the Russian public, the ones who oppose what Putin know to keep their heads down and their mouths shut.

Sending millions of fellow Russians to their death in war and purges is culturally accepted over there. The norms of a civic society don't exist.

[seafoid]

Russia and Israel suffer from group trauma linked to WW2

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are."

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is."

[seafoid]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-66006142Putin used a word in Russian that means "upheaval" in an effort to scare his people into rallying around his leadership, says Johns Hopkins University Prof Sergey Radchenko.

"He is saying there could be an upheaval or a civil war," he says, adding that Putin is saying that "it is great" that Russian people indicated their support for his regime over the weekend.

"He is playing on Russian fears of uncertainty in order to try to shore up his authority, but there is no doubt his authority has been severely undermined," Radchenko tells the BBC.

He says the obvious subtext of the speech was: "If it wasn't for me, you'd have chaos every day."

[armaghniac]

Russia and Israel suffer from group trauma linked to WW2

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are."

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is."

Russia is on a completely different wavelength. In the largest country on earth, that has a declining population, why would you want to lose hundreds of thousands of lives to capture a few rustbucket towns in Ukraine when you already have a load of rustbucket towns?

On an aside, if there are guys are willing to go and dig a trench and live in it before going over the top to die for €1600 a month, why don't we hire them at €2000 a month to lay blocks?

[Dag Dog]

[Dag Dog]

Russia and Israel suffer from group trauma linked to WW2

http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

she spoke of Russian society as a "collective Putin." As she put it, "Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are."

We thought we'd leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can't leave this and become free, because these people don't understand what freedom is."

Russia is on a completely different wavelength. In the largest country on earth, that has a declining population, why would you want to lose hundreds of thousands of lives to capture a few rustbucket towns in Ukraine when you already have a load of rustbucket towns?

Mineral-rich rustbucket towns, access to waters that don't freeze, and jealousy that Ukrainian wages and standard of living was getting further ahead of Russia's.

Oh sorry, it was to stop some Nazis and because Zelensky was a dictator, according to some of the geniuses here.

[armaghniac]

Mineral-rich rustbucket towns, access to waters that don't freeze, and jealousy that Ukrainian wages and standard of living was getting further ahead of Russia's.

Minerals are a bit 19th century and Russia already has plenty. Ukrainian wages were lower than Russia owing to the corruption there. Now there may have been a fear of Ukraine joining the EU and doing a Poland, but that is in the future.

Oh sorry, it was to stop some Nazis and because Zelensky was a dictator, according to some of the geniuses here.

Of course it is because Zelensky is not a dictator but rather someone actually voted in that is the problem.

[seafoid]

Russia already has access to the Black Sea which does not freeze on winter.

[Banks of the Bann]

Most small towns in eastern Ukraine are actually very nice so shouldn't be put in the category of 'rustbucket'. They are generally very clean, have reasonable roads and good services. Also most towns and cities have trees and greenery throughout that would put any town in Ireland or the UK to shame.

The old soviet style apartment blocks do look tired and worn out but apartments inside are generally as nice and modern as any in the west.

Russia outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg is generally falling apart due to 3 decades of corrupt officials robbing the country blind. A miserable shithole.

[Banks of the Bann]

This 30 min YouTube video cuts neatly through all the Russian NATO bullshit still promoted by some idiots in the west.

It's the best summation of the sequence of events I've seen online.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWK_euAwrMk&pp=ygUad2h5IG5hdG8gYWN0dWFsbHkgZXhwYW5kZWQ%3D

[Main Street]

[bennydorano]

More predictable barbarity this morning.

[Dag Dog]

It's starting to emerge that Russian fire brought down the Azerbaijan Airlines plane.
The usual barking dogs here will start posting about bird strikes!