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Kennedy  wasn't there for Mayo Game in Omagh   and Tyrone got cleaned out in Midfield

They got cleaned out in other games when he was playing.

Which other games did they get cleaned out? Mayo was by a long, long distance Tyrone's worst performance of the year. I don't think it's a coincidence it was the only game Kennedy didn't play in. And bearing in mind he's been playing with a groin/ hernia injury all year I don't think he's been near his best.

Very often it's not about winning clean ball but taking away a team's first choice. Take the Dublin game - the talk in the build up was around O'Cofaigh Byrne. He was made a none factor due to Kennedy's influence.

Even at the weekend Kerry didn't exactly dominate the Tyrone kick out - in fact it was the opposite in the first half. They just made much better use of the ball they did get. And I think the issues there come back to getting forwards that can hold their own physically and take a man on.

I'm on record somewhere on this forum as talking up Conor O'Neill as one for the near future but at the minute he'd be on the other wing to Daly. His aerial ball winning as we saw in the U20 final wasn't his strength but his kickpassing is something we could be doing with more off.

Oneill another year under 20

Plenty of positions up for grabs with the below maybe the closest to holding onto a place imo

1. Morgan
2. Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. X
5. Mckernan
6. X
7. X
8. Kennedy
9. Conn
10. Daly
11. X
12. X
13. E Mcelholm
14.
15. D. Canavan

Think the under 21 side of Hampsey and mcgeary are coming towards an end. Seanie O'Donnell has came on well last few games with size/power needs to come on.
Several interesting players about the county in the middle sector but will be interesting do any perform in the club championship.

Roarty has made a great impact for Donegal. Could Joey Clarke or others come on to provide anything? Tho he is surrounded Mccole and mogan in the fb line

So, that equates to 9 certain starters. In my opinion, only 5, maximum 6 are certain starters.
How many of the above would be guaranteed a start in either of the Kerry or Donegal set ups - even in the match day 20.....

Kennedy, Mckernan, Canavan? Physicality  is the main difference

Plenty of positions up for grabs with the below maybe the closest to holding onto a place imo

1. Morgan
2. Devlin
3. Peter Teague
4. X
5. Mckernan
6. X
7. X
8. Kennedy
9. Conn
10. Daly
11. X
12. X
13. E Mcelholm
14.
15. D. Canavan

Think the under 21 side of Hampsey and mcgeary are coming towards an end. Seanie O'Donnell has came on well last few games with size/power needs to come on.
Several interesting players about the county in the middle sector but will be interesting do any perform in the club championship.

Roarty has made a great impact for Donegal. Could Joey Clarke or others come on to provide anything? Tho he is surrounded Mccole and mogan in the fb line

Will Tyrone get one? Hard to see

Has there been a better keeper than Morgan?

The 2 remaining are pretty good and deserve one

Will Tyrone get one? Hard to see

I find it bizarre reading some of the comments about tyrone. You'd think we were odds on favourites to win Sam and won't get as close again according to some.

Not one person would have fancied us winning sam at the start of the year. Despite the mixed performances and the 1st year for this new management team we reached the semi final.

With the exception of Kerry and Dublin I can't imagine a county where the expectation levels from both those from the county and those from outside are so high.

In the last 4 years Tyrone have won a Sam maguire 3 u20s a minor championship as well as 2 school all
Irelands and In the 1st year of new management they reached a semi final. There's Tyrone ones going on like it's a disaster and there's ones from neighbouring counties who could only dream of their county doing that but laughing at Tyrone for not winning more. 

There are a few like that. I think most people are realistic and see the improvement.

Roll on the club championship and div 2 next year. Tyrone were competitive this year for the most part which is a start

Half decent year, there is more control and system of play and I think Errigals run did upset the start of the year there is a few key issues that the heat of a AI SF against Kerry

1) Size, particularly forwards, we are severely lacking in size/ power - Kerry works so much less for scores because of Clifford - Canavan and McCurry can't be faulted for effort but not physically strong enough to hold there own

2) Kicking Game, abit contradictory here as you can't have a kicking game ( which Tyrone don't have because of the above), if you want to win big games in Croker, you need to kick in quick and get scores - Tyrone atm are carrying and switching from side to side waiting on a mistake to score, huge amount of effort, and leave themselves wide open if turned over.

In general Kennedy, Kilpatrick, Devlin, McGeary and Donnelly had quality seasons but the young guns need to accelerate development as there could be abit of turnover

McCurry season fell off a cliff once it hit croke park. Was yards out in front of foley but was easy caught.

D canavan is quality and mcelholm as well. Seanie od was good yesterday but already that's 3 small players in the forwards. Daly will improve again next year who has a bit of height but there is room for something different in the forward line.

Orourke picked a system to best suit the players at hand.
Throughout the year there has been so many unforced individual errors and that have proven costly.
Kerry fairly simple game plan in first half. Pull everyone out and leave Clifford in 50 yards of space 1v1. Don't think Tyrone all year got Canavan in a one v one situation with loads of space it just wasn't the way they wanted to play.

With Canavan (x2), McCurry, Bradley and McElholm playing inside, we really need to get the ball in much quicker. Would like to see Harte and Devlin utilised for their passing.

Won't matter how quick the ball is in, Canavan is v quick (quicker than most) but and not to quote Philly McMahon, can't get separation and if he does doesn't have the power to then take on the man - the top 2/3 teams has this Tyrone until they find this type of player will struggle in Croke Park with the new rules.

Ideally need to win Ulster in the next 1-2 years to keep the momentum and get a senior medal in the pocket of the lads coming through

Darragh Canavan can't get separation and can't take a man on? Quicker ball would be a start

Half decent year, there is more control and system of play and I think Errigals run did upset the start of the year there is a few key issues that the heat of a AI SF against Kerry

1) Size, particularly forwards, we are severely lacking in size/ power - Kerry works so much less for scores because of Clifford - Canavan and McCurry can't be faulted for effort but not physically strong enough to hold there own

2) Kicking Game, abit contradictory here as you can't have a kicking game ( which Tyrone don't have because of the above), if you want to win big games in Croker, you need to kick in quick and get scores - Tyrone atm are carrying and switching from side to side waiting on a mistake to score, huge amount of effort, and leave themselves wide open if turned over.

In general Kennedy, Kilpatrick, Devlin, McGeary and Donnelly had quality seasons but the young guns need to accelerate development as there could be abit of turnover

McCurry season fell off a cliff once it hit croke park. Was yards out in front of foley but was easy caught.

D canavan is quality and mcelholm as well. Seanie od was good yesterday but already that's 3 small players in the forwards. Daly will improve again next year who has a bit of height but there is room for something different in the forward line.

Orourke picked a system to best suit the players at hand.
Throughout the year there has been so many unforced individual errors and that have proven costly.
Kerry fairly simple game plan in first half. Pull everyone out and leave Clifford in 50 yards of space 1v1. Don't think Tyrone all year got Canavan in a one v one situation with loads of space it just wasn't the way they wanted to play.

With Canavan (x2), McCurry, Bradley and McElholm playing inside, we really need to get the ball in much quicker. Would like to see Harte and Devlin utilised for their passing.

Yes a lot not too interested in kicking the ball in. Harte always looking. Strange Harte wasn't in earlier. Mckernan looked rusty

Half decent year, there is more control and system of play and I think Errigals run did upset the start of the year there is a few key issues that the heat of a AI SF against Kerry

1) Size, particularly forwards, we are severely lacking in size/ power - Kerry works so much less for scores because of Clifford - Canavan and McCurry can't be faulted for effort but not physically strong enough to hold there own

2) Kicking Game, abit contradictory here as you can't have a kicking game ( which Tyrone don't have because of the above), if you want to win big games in Croker, you need to kick in quick and get scores - Tyrone atm are carrying and switching from side to side waiting on a mistake to score, huge amount of effort, and leave themselves wide open if turned over.

In general Kennedy, Kilpatrick, Devlin, McGeary and Donnelly had quality seasons but the young guns need to accelerate development as there could be abit of turnover

McCurry season fell off a cliff once it hit croke park. Was yards out in front of foley but was easy caught.

D canavan is quality and mcelholm as well. Seanie od was good yesterday but already that's 3 small players in the forwards. Daly will improve again next year who has a bit of height but there is room for something different in the forward line.

Orourke picked a system to best suit the players at hand.
Throughout the year there has been so many unforced individual errors and that have proven costly.
Kerry fairly simple game plan in first half. Pull everyone out and leave Clifford in 50 yards of space 1v1. Don't think Tyrone all year got Canavan in a one v one situation with loads of space it just wasn't the way they wanted to play.

I thought Tyrone started both halfs really well and had Kerry in bother, in particular at the kickouts. They actually created lots of chances but their conversion rate and decision making was not at the level needed to beat Kerry who took over when they hit their purple patch. Also I thought their best player was the keeper and it could have been an awful hiding only for him.

Would be the story of Tyrone this year, play in fits and starts. Was Morgan a bit iffy of the tee or am I wrong? A lot of unforced errors through the year as well. Individual mistakes.

Tight shift for Hampsey who to be fair hasn't played a pile of football in the last year

Conleth Gilligan? Can't return for Rory g at this stage surely

Could it be Robbie Brennan?

Surely not

Cavan on look out now too

Correct decision from Cavan.

They need a clearout and a rebuild now with players suited to the new rules.

A lot of great servants to the county of the years might retire now. Owe Cavan nothing but a fresh approach is needed.

Was impressed with a young lad at midfield for them, completed well with Kennedy in the tyrone second game when a lot of players were struggling

Our midfield is invisible and has been all year

I'd say this is possibly one of the worst takes I've ever read on a team. Mulgrew in particular is a superb footballer. Hard to believe anyone can watch that Tyrone team this year and draw the conclusion that he's been invisible.

Genuinely don't see what others are seeing. He was better in this game than he was in previous but I just don't rate him. Would like to see the kickout statistics particularly in the first half because it seemed like Kerry were winning the large majority. I think he'll be another player like McHugh or McGleenan who can dominate in the underage games but haven't broke out in seniors as of yet and I can't see them ever doing it unfortunately

Good to see someone with plenty of patience

True, a surprise tactical move can often pay dividends, I feel with Tyrone lack of depth and a number of potential limitations that big Kennedy should be let play his specialist position without roving to an ad hoc FF role that will render him out of the game when they inevitably don't kick to him

The Kennedy FF role is not one I would go for too often. Tried for a couple of years under Dooher and Logan and not much came of it. Kennedy will have enuf running to do