Surely needs a thread of it's own?
Paddy Carr now gone, on top of the mess with the academy/Karl Lacey
Absolute shameful conduct on our part. I feel really bad for him.
Who'll want it now?
Who wants to deal with the cesspit that is Donegal GAA?
Whats the story behind this then? Did he leave, players oust him, or what? Thread title appropriate btw.
Feel really bad for him. Was on a hiding to nothing, and seems the players have pushed him. Only got the job very late when most counties had things in place and started training. And what with the mess in their county re the academy and so on. Donegal not looking very good in this
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Whats the story behind this then? Did he leave, players oust him, or what? Thread title appropriate btw.
He mentions on discussion with the senior team in his press release. Any reading between the lines there is saying they wanted him out
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Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 22, 2023, 03:37:27 PM
Whats the story behind this then? Did he leave, players oust him, or what? Thread title appropriate btw.
He mentions on discussion with the senior team in his press release. Any reading between the lines there is saying they wanted him out
No other way to read that.
This is the kind of thing that takes years to recover from.
The recovery should start with a clean sweep of the county board. The chairman is new, but this needs a new start and some serious soul searching within the county.
Quote from: Ethan Tremblay on March 22, 2023, 03:37:27 PM
Whats the story behind this then? Did he leave, players oust him, or what? Thread title appropriate btw.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/22/paddy-carr-resigns-as-donegal-manager-after-just-five-months-in-the-job/
In a brief statement released by Donegal GAA, Carr said: "Following a discussion with some senior members of the Donegal football team, I want to announce that I'm stepping away from the position of Donegal team Manager with immediate effect.
Quote from: clarshack on March 22, 2023, 03:42:54 PM
This is the kind of thing that takes years to recover from.
This happened in Cork Hurling in the mid-90's. They've never really recovered from it.
Sometimes you need a civil war to clear the air and move on.
This also due to the split season because it is impossible for counties to shake off poor form with no break between the end of the league and the start of the championship. There is no downtime to work on problems.
Morale should be good for the Hyde on Sunday. :)
The Co Board will appoint Kavanagh and Murphy as a coach like the players wanted all along
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Quote from: clarshack on March 22, 2023, 03:42:54 PM
This is the kind of thing that takes years to recover from.
This happened in Cork Hurling in the mid-90's. They've never really recovered from it.
Sometimes you need a civil war to clear the air and move on.
You're a decade too early for Cork. Though it would have been great if they shot themselves in the foot back in the 90s.
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Quote from: clarshack on March 22, 2023, 03:42:54 PM
This is the kind of thing that takes years to recover from.
This happened in Cork Hurling in the mid-90's. They've never really recovered from it.
Sometimes you need a civil war to clear the air and move on.
You're a decade too early for Cork. Though it would have been great if they shot themselves in the foot back in the 90s.
Yes, you're right there. Seemed like a lot longer in my head.
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2023, 03:44:54 PM
The recovery should start with a clean sweep of the county board. The chairman is new, but this needs a new start and some serious soul searching within the county.
Pretty much this - professionals like Lacey, Kavanagh, McGuiness coming into an amateur set up. Its not hard to lose your job when managing an inter county team, however county board officials are close to impossible to get rid of. The academy was well run, but costing serious dosh. All clubs in Donegal notified about meeting this Thursday to discuss pathway forward for re opening of Academy. Position advertised for U16 manager. Looks like all previous academy coaches won't be back unless major re-form of county board. Personally I think Donegal have to reach rock bottom, before they can find a way back. STEP 1 is admitting they have a problem, the rest of the steps will follow after.
All of this pain is for the long term betterment of football in Donegal.
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
Morale should be good for the Hyde on Sunday. :)
We have had our fair share of poor morale & managers leaving mid season. We can give Donegal folk a shoulder to cry on & an ear for listening. ;)
Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
Morale should be good for the Hyde on Sunday. :)
They might get a caretaker manager bounce and have enough motivation to get Armagh relegated.
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2023, 04:13:28 PM
Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Quote from: Rudi on March 22, 2023, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2023, 04:13:28 PM
Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Heard that story at the time also but it appears going by what Jim McGuinness said that they would come on board if selected.
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Quote from: J70 on March 22, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
Morale should be good for the Hyde on Sunday. :)
They might get a caretaker manager bounce and have enough motivation to get Armagh relegated.
That would require a large loss by Armagh, a large victory by Donegal and Monaghan to draw. If you think that all that will happen then lump on, there will be great odds. Recent Armagh football might be turgid, but I do not see them conceding a huge score for that reason.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2023, 04:13:28 PM
Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Heard that story at the time also but it appears going by what Jim McGuinness said that they would come on board if selected.
Chat about Lacey in as manager, with Jim as head coach. Seemed to be a major hangover with Lacey not content with county board soon after. Feel sorry for Paddy Carr in all of this, a decent footballing man who left his principal post in a Meath school early. He's the fall guy, would have huge sympathy for him. But it was never going to work.
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Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Heard that story at the time also but it appears going by what Jim McGuinness said that they would come on board if selected.
Chat about Lacey in as manager, with Jim as head coach. Seemed to be a major hangover with Lacey not content with county board soon after. Feel sorry for Paddy Carr in all of this, a decent footballing man who left his principal post in a Meath school early. He's the fall guy, would have huge sympathy for him. But it was never going to work.
moneybags Jim will have to drop his involvement with Down if that's true
What was the original fall out with Lacey and the co board over? Was it money? Was he looking money to coach the academy? If so, by all reports he would have deserved a wage out of it saying how well it was run.
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Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Heard that story at the time also but it appears going by what Jim McGuinness said that they would come on board if selected.
Chat about Lacey in as manager, with Jim as head coach. Seemed to be a major hangover with Lacey not content with county board soon after. Feel sorry for Paddy Carr in all of this, a decent footballing man who left his principal post in a Meath school early. He's the fall guy, would have huge sympathy for him. But it was never going to work.
moneybags Jim will have to drop his involvement with Down if that's true
Thought he took just the one session
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Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Heard that story at the time also but it appears going by what Jim McGuinness said that they would come on board if selected.
Chat about Lacey in as manager, with Jim as head coach. Seemed to be a major hangover with Lacey not content with county board soon after. Feel sorry for Paddy Carr in all of this, a decent footballing man who left his principal post in a Meath school early. He's the fall guy, would have huge sympathy for him. But it was never going to work.
moneybags Jim will have to drop his involvement with Down if that's true
January news that ended such rumours
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/29/news/mcguinness_not_part_of_down_management_laverty-3025049/
I hope mcguinness will go to donegal since he has been with Down they have played a bland style.
And he has been to more than 1 session with Down, far more than 1
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Morale should be good for the Hyde on Sunday. :)
They might get a caretaker manager bounce and have enough motivation to get Armagh relegated.
That would require a large loss by Armagh, a large victory by Donegal and Monaghan to draw. If you think that all that will happen then lump on, there will be great odds. Recent Armagh football might be turgid, but I do not see them conceding a huge score for that reason.
Every little helps
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Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2023, 04:13:28 PM
Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Heard that story at the time also but it appears going by what Jim McGuinness said that they would come on board if selected.
Chat about Lacey in as manager, with Jim as head coach. Seemed to be a major hangover with Lacey not content with county board soon after. Feel sorry for Paddy Carr in all of this, a decent footballing man who left his principal post in a Meath school early. He's the fall guy, would have huge sympathy for him. But it was never going to work.
moneybags Jim will have to drop his involvement with Down if that's true
January news that ended such rumours
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/29/news/mcguinness_not_part_of_down_management_laverty-3025049/
Lol from good sources, he is in regularly taking sessions.
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Quote from: Rudi on March 22, 2023, 04:17:54 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on March 22, 2023, 04:13:28 PM
Jim McGuinness on Irish Examiner podcast recently said that himself and Karl Lacey was to be part Rory Kavanagh's Donegal management team and were expected to get the job only for county board to selected Paddy Carr. He didn't like the way the Donegal county told the media as to say they pulled out of the running.
Jim thought at the time something fishy was going on with the selection committee and he a few on the selection committee went on to join Paddy Carrs management team.
Kavanagh steeped out because he got dogs abuse from supporters during & after St Eunans county final loss to Glenties.
Heard that story at the time also but it appears going by what Jim McGuinness said that they would come on board if selected.
Chat about Lacey in as manager, with Jim as head coach. Seemed to be a major hangover with Lacey not content with county board soon after. Feel sorry for Paddy Carr in all of this, a decent footballing man who left his principal post in a Meath school early. He's the fall guy, would have huge sympathy for him. But it was never going to work.
moneybags Jim will have to drop his involvement with Down if that's true
January news that ended such rumours
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/01/29/news/mcguinness_not_part_of_down_management_laverty-3025049/
Lol from good sources, he is in regularly taking sessions.
No offence but I think I'd take Cahair O'Kane who's known for his regular informed articles than some rumoured "good sources"
Declan Bonner was kept on too long and Paddy Carr was probably a downgrade on Bonner.
People thought Roscommon would be relegated...
However good or bad Carr is, pushing him out after 7 league games, a few weeks before championship is pure stupid.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 22, 2023, 05:25:33 PM
Declan Bonner was kept on too long and Paddy Carr was probably a downgrade on Bonner.
The early years of Bonner looked promising. But as the years past, Donegal played with more and more fear every year. You almost felt they were content to remain on the periphery, just outside the big hitters. They'd rater lose by a point by containment than have a go and lose by 4 or more and express themselves and have a go at winning.
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2023, 06:19:51 PM
People thought Roscommon would be relegated...
The odds to be relegated from Div 1 before round 1.
Roscommon 8/15
Monaghan 6/5
Donegal 11/8
Armagh 4/1
As an ardent Tyrone supporter all I can say is...
DRINK IT IN!
Sorry to see this going on. Donegal a great GAA county and for me the other county I like to see do well. They'll get it sorted.
Quote from: ONeill on March 22, 2023, 10:28:53 PM
Sorry to see this going on. Donegal a great GAA county and for me the other county I like to see do well. They'll get it sorted.
Wise up
It would be Donegal's 3rd All-Ireland if they could bring Sam home this year, but I can't see it happening now.
i said when they got bet by mayo that they looked to be in a very bad place. morale very low, no fight and confidence looked shot.
feel sorry for carr. the job was a poisoned chalice from the get-go. it really isn't his fault and it's a bit mad that he is the one walking away when really it sounds like the donegal county board needs a complete clear out from the top. absolute shit show.
Will Jimmy go back in seeing his involvement with Down and the upcoming championship game, if he does go then the pay masters will look stupid and Down will have to change a lot.
A side point - I heard that when Donegal were in their pomp (McGuinness era), he didn't want the county board getting their hands on any external funding. Think McGuinness had a few big London based contractors involved. So even back then things must have been bad!
Quote from: seafoid on March 22, 2023, 03:56:43 PM
This also due to the split season because it is impossible for counties to shake off poor form with no break between the end of the league and the start of the championship. There is no downtime to work on problems.
;D
Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
I can fully empathise with what's happening in Donegal, feels a bit like Derry's freefall to Div 4 a few years ago when everything was wrong from CB down.
No idea what the answer is, but it could be years before Donegal return as a force with these kinds of problems. Look at the teams in Div2 next year, Donegal, probably Monaghan, Cork, Louth, Meath, Kildare, Cavan and probably Fermanagh.
If Donegal don't get their act together you could see relegation to Div 3.
Quote from: ck on March 23, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
If he offered his services to manage Donegal then it begs the question what exactly have the last 8 years or so been all about for him. He went down the painstaking route of serving an apprenticeship as a soccer coach in order to get his pro licence but yet has now seemingly walked away from the sport. You would imagine that a League of Ireland club at least would have taken a punt on him by this stage or is that dream now over for him.
Quote from: ck on March 23, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
Easier said that done. He's been in with Down a few times and they're playing each other next month. That offer was last winter, so not sure it's now incumbent on him to just jump into this mess so far into the season
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Quote from: ck on March 23, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
If he offered his services to manage Donegal then it begs the question what exactly have the last 8 years or so been all about for him. He went down the painstaking route of serving an apprenticeship as a soccer coach in order to get his pro licence but yet has now seemingly walked away from the sport. You would imagine that a League of Ireland club at least would have taken a punt on him by this stage or is that dream now over for him.
He didn't though. He offered to mentor Kav and Lacey as he and his family are about and will be until the summer. He was never coming in to manage with soccer commitments.. That's both in print and podcast
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Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
If he offered his services to manage Donegal then it begs the question what exactly have the last 8 years or so been all about for him. He went down the painstaking route of serving an apprenticeship as a soccer coach in order to get his pro licence but yet has now seemingly walked away from the sport. You would imagine that a League of Ireland club at least would have taken a punt on him by this stage or is that dream now over for him.
He didn't though. He offered to mentor Kav and Lacey as he and his family are about and will be until the summer. He was never coming in to manage with soccer commitments.. That's both in print and podcast
Fair enough, I presumed him offering his services was to manage the county senior team. What soccer commitments has he got?
Did McGuinness not complete his UEFA Pro licenses a couple of months ago?
He completed 2 lucrative deals in China and America which were total failures that set him up for life without any soccer qualifications at the time.I would say League of Ireland be his destination but sure fair play to the man for being able to amass a small fortune over a year in total.
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Quote from: ck on March 23, 2023, 10:14:51 AM
Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
If he offered his services to manage Donegal then it begs the question what exactly have the last 8 years or so been all about for him. He went down the painstaking route of serving an apprenticeship as a soccer coach in order to get his pro licence but yet has now seemingly walked away from the sport. You would imagine that a League of Ireland club at least would have taken a punt on him by this stage or is that dream now over for him.
He didn't though. He offered to mentor Kav and Lacey as he and his family are about and will be until the summer. He was never coming in to manage with soccer commitments.. That's both in print and podcast
Incorrect. Listen to the podcast. He said he offered to help Kavanagh and Lacey and then when they turned it down he never heard from the county board again - which was at the core of his grievance ie: He was willing to help the man who go it, no matter who got it. Whether it's true or not, it's what he said last week.
If he was willing then, then why not step forward now when they need him, or was last week just a grenade to stir up more trouble.
Kevin Cassidy has called him out on it on social media too.
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Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
If he offered his services to manage Donegal then it begs the question what exactly have the last 8 years or so been all about for him. He went down the painstaking route of serving an apprenticeship as a soccer coach in order to get his pro licence but yet has now seemingly walked away from the sport. You would imagine that a League of Ireland club at least would have taken a punt on him by this stage or is that dream now over for him.
He didn't though. He offered to mentor Kav and Lacey as he and his family are about and will be until the summer. He was never coming in to manage with soccer commitments.. That's both in print and podcast
Incorrect. Listen to the podcast. He said he offered to help Kavanagh and Lacey and then when they turned it down he never heard from the county board again - which was at the core of his grievance ie: He was willing to help the man who go it, no matter who got it. Whether it's true or not, it's what he said last week.
If he was willing then, then why not step forward now when they need him, or was last week just a grenade to stir up more trouble.
Kevin Cassidy has called him out on it on social media too.
What's incorrect? Mcguinness said NO to managing the county (has just finished his pro license and wants to see where that takes him in the future within professional soccer) but was willing to help in some capacity, but not as manager. Cassidy can call him out all he wants, he's stated he doesn't have the time to manage the team.
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A side point - I heard that when Donegal were in their pomp (McGuinness era), he didn't want the county board getting their hands on any external funding. Think McGuinness had a few big London based contractors involved. So even back then things must have been bad!
Sure didn't Declan Bonner and Charlie Mulgrew take a case to the DRA when J.J. Doherty (the manager before McGuinness) was appointed.
From what I remember the DRA came out and said the appointment process was some bit flawed but said the appointment should stand.
I think McGuinness applied either twice or three times before he got it in the end.
Fair to say the Donegal County Board have past form in terms of manger appointments.
The whole thing stinks.
Paddy Carr and Aidan O'Rourke being thrown together as some sort of arranged marriage was never going to work.
No slight on the man but can anyone tell me what Paddy Carr's managerial CV looks like in the last 10years. Has he not more or less been out of the game?
You cant throw people like that together and expect anything other than problems.
The players clearly have issues with Carr and have made their feelings known and he's been ousted.
Strange enough that the whole management team hasnt walked together which tells me that they werent really on the same page anyway.
Jim McGuinness is some boy too. Hes been coaching Down once a week for a good bit now.
He couldnt possibly walk into a role at Donegal could he?
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Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 23, 2023, 09:30:21 AM
A side point - I heard that when Donegal were in their pomp (McGuinness era), he didn't want the county board getting their hands on any external funding. Think McGuinness had a few big London based contractors involved. So even back then things must have been bad!
Sure didn't Declan Bonner and Charlie Mulgrew take a case to the DRA when J.J. Doherty (the manager before McGuinness) was appointed.
From what I remember the DRA came out and said the appointment process was some bit flawed but said the appointment should stand.
I think McGuinness applied either twice or three times before he got it in the end.
Fair to say the Donegal County Board have past form in terms of manger appointments.
Can't remember the exact details, and it was the clubs, not the executive, but that autumn also saw the very undignified end of Brian McIver's reign, a year after he had resigned and then said "f**k it, I'll come back!".
Go back five years earlier, and we went months without a manager after Mickey Moran and John Morrison walked. They couldn't find anyone, so McEniff (county chairman at the time) had to step in again and ended up doing three Jekyll and Hyde seasons.
Quote from: skeog on March 23, 2023, 11:35:31 AM
He completed 2 lucrative deals in China and America which were total failures that set him up for life without any soccer qualifications at the time.I would say League of Ireland be his destination but sure fair play to the man for being able to amass a small fortune over a year in total.
I'd have serious question marks about how lucrative the stints in China and America were.
He probably made ok money but given how relatively short they were I doubt that it was anywhere near set him up for life money.
He was only assistant manager in China so it very doubtful how high his wages were and while he probably did better in the US, that was a first-time manager job and I just can't see a scenario whereby a basically no-name first-time manager is on that much money especially given the budget the club he was at would be operating on. I think people hear soccer manager abroad and immediately jump to successful premier league manager for years if not decades money.
Completely reliable source in Donegal has said the players didn't want Bradley either, but O'Rouke told them he couldn't do it himself and needed him
Quote from: Rawhide on March 23, 2023, 01:23:31 PM
Completely reliable source in Donegal has said the players didn't want Bradley either, but O'Rouke told them he couldn't do it himself and needed him
Be fascinating to see what sort of Donegal team turn up Sunday.
You would think there will be some sort of reaction to everything and they can't be as apathetic as they were against Mayo the last day.
Was in donegal last week a few times seems like $ is the problem all the way round , county board should ask John Mcilhenny for a few quid with the price of his suits he's selling.
Quote from: Gmac on March 23, 2023, 02:05:25 PM
Was in donegal last week a few times seems like $ is the problem all the way round , county board should ask John Mcilhenny for a few quid with the price of his suits he's selling.
We have the solution right here...
Feel bad for Paddy Carr, have heard he's an absolute gentleman. Don't know why anyone would entertain having Aidan o rourke around the camp.
Donegal players appear to have thrown Paddy Carr under the bus. Failing to take responsibility for their own shitness.
Only one management ticket to save them, Cassidy, McGuinness, McEniff and McHugh.... no not James or Martin but...... Bernard McHugh.
It's all about the money. And there's plenty of it in Donegal.
Did players want rid of Carr but were OK with O Rourke and Bradley? Or were they looking rid of whole lot. Wondering if there was a split in management camp....three a bad number! You have to think this is teed up for some kind of Murphy, Lacey involvement. Saw this coming a country mile away....be surprised if I'm wrong.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
I can fully empathise with what's happening in Donegal, feels a bit like Derry's freefall to Div 4 a few years ago when everything was wrong from CB down.
No idea what the answer is, but it could be years before Donegal return as a force with these kinds of problems. Look at the teams in Div2 next year, Donegal, probably Monaghan, Cork, Louth, Meath, Kildare, Cavan and probably Fermanagh.
If Donegal don't get their act together you could see relegation to Div 3.
Only if they are as bad as Down last year. Fermanagh, Kildare and Meath should be 6 points. Donegal wouldn't fear Cavan either
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Quote from: JoG2 on March 23, 2023, 10:59:25 AM
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Jimmy McGuinness complained last week that he offered his services but was ignored. He now needs to put his money where his mouth is and step up at a time of crisis.
If he offered his services to manage Donegal then it begs the question what exactly have the last 8 years or so been all about for him. He went down the painstaking route of serving an apprenticeship as a soccer coach in order to get his pro licence but yet has now seemingly walked away from the sport. You would imagine that a League of Ireland club at least would have taken a punt on him by this stage or is that dream now over for him.
He didn't though. He offered to mentor Kav and Lacey as he and his family are about and will be until the summer. He was never coming in to manage with soccer commitments.. That's both in print and podcast
Incorrect. Listen to the podcast. He said he offered to help Kavanagh and Lacey and then when they turned it down he never heard from the county board again - which was at the core of his grievance ie: He was willing to help the man who go it, no matter who got it. Whether it's true or not, it's what he said last week.
If he was willing then, then why not step forward now when they need him, or was last week just a grenade to stir up more trouble.
Kevin Cassidy has called him out on it on social media too.
Over a decade this feud has been going on, it's about time that Kevin Cassidy and Jim McGuinness kissed and made up. The likelihood that the Donegal county board brought Jim McGuinness in now after he was critical of them in public is probably slim.
Quote from: tbrick18 on March 23, 2023, 10:16:58 AM
I can fully empathise with what's happening in Donegal, feels a bit like Derry's freefall to Div 4 a few years ago when everything was wrong from CB down.
No idea what the answer is, but it could be years before Donegal return as a force with these kinds of problems. Look at the teams in Div2 next year, Donegal, probably Monaghan, Cork, Louth, Meath, Kildare, Cavan and probably Fermanagh.
If Donegal don't get their act together you could see relegation to Div 3.
I think the issue with Derry was getting players to commit to the inter county team as club football was a strong focus for many and playing for the inter county team an inconvenience. Rory Gallagher in fairness to him has changed the culture and players give the same commitment to club and county teams now.
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/03/22/news/sean_cavanagh_doesn_t_know_what_he_is_talking_about_says_brendan_devenney-3156158/
Quote from: Brick Tamlin on March 23, 2023, 12:39:21 PM
No slight on the man but can anyone tell me what Paddy Carr's managerial CV looks like in the last 10years. Has he not more or less been out of the game?
His full CV was posted on DonegalGAA.ie when appointed
in the 1990's he managed the Meath Minor team as well as the Under 16 team for four years;
in 1998 he managed Mattock Rangers in Co Louth to a county title;
from 2001 to 2003 Paddy managed the Louth Senior Football Team;
in 2004 he managed Summerhill, Meath to a Division 1 Title;
in 2006/2007 Paddy was a Selector with the Leinster Railway Cup winning side;
from 2005 to 2008 he was Director of Football with Tir Chonaill Gaels in London winning 3 consecutive Senior Championships;
from 2008 to 2011 Paddy managed Kilmacud Crokes to two Division 1 League titles, 2 Dublin Senior Championship titles, 2 Leinster Club titles and the All Ireland Club Championship title in 2009;
in 2012 Paddy returned to London and managed Tir Chonaill Gaels to a London Senior title;
in 2013 and 2014 he managed Burren in Co.Down to two Senior Championship Finals;
in 2015 he managed St Brigid`s in Roscommon to Division 1 League title.
in 2016 and 2017 Paddy managed Ballymun Kickhams to the Dublin Senior Final.
Will put this on this thread.
Donegal knew for a while that Declan Bonner was going to step away but didn't have a succession plan.
This will probably be Logan/Dooher last year, maybe McGeeny......where do those counties turn next? There are not too many candidates
Quote from: Gael85 on March 23, 2023, 10:58:34 PM
https://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2023/03/22/news/sean_cavanagh_doesn_t_know_what_he_is_talking_about_says_brendan_devenney-3156158/
Cavanagh looks like he knows more than Devenney. If you think the fortunes of the senior team and how the management appointments were handled and the mess that is the academy are totally separate then Donegal are in an even worse place than people think.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/23/donegal-gaa-have-questions-to-answer-after-a-disastrous-few-months/Earlier in the week McEniff had called for the appointment of Jim McGuinness as acting senior manager after the resignation of Paddy Carr but it is believed in the county that McGuinness, who had been on board with Rory Kavanagh's proposed management ticket, which included Lacey, is unlikely to commit to taking over given his continuing pursuit of a soccer coaching career.
It all depends how long it takes to get the situation under control. Donegal don't have to fall as far as Down did to turn things around. Down are playing Tailteann this year. Donegal aren't.
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He completed 2 lucrative deals in China and America which were total failures that set him up for life without any soccer qualifications at the time.I would say League of Ireland be his destination but sure fair play to the man for being able to amass a small fortune over a year in total.
I'd have serious question marks about how lucrative the stints in China and America were.
He probably made ok money but given how relatively short they were I doubt that it was anywhere near set him up for life money.
He was only assistant manager in China so it very doubtful how high his wages were and while he probably did better in the US, that was a first-time manager job and I just can't see a scenario whereby a basically no-name first-time manager is on that much money especially given the budget the club he was at would be operating on. I think people hear soccer manager abroad and immediately jump to successful premier league manager for years if not decades money.
Can't see anyone taking a chance on McGuinness as a soccer manager. Performance coach is prob best role he can get.
Brendan Devenney tweeting about an audit being carried out on the Academy fiasco. Would the GAA HQ get involved in that??
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/2023/03/24/donegal-gaa-opens-door-for-karl-lacey-to-return-as-head-of-academy/
"In what has been a difficult period for CLG Dhún na nGall and the Donegal GAA Academy, and following a specially convened meeting of County Committee on Thursday, March 23rd, we would like to inform our clubs and supporters that we have agreed on a pathway forward for the Donegal GAA Academy.
"We would hope that we will lay the foundations for a progressive future, for the Donegal underage development structures. As has been widely acknowledged in recent months by many in Donegal GAA circles, our academy has been one of the most innovative in terms of coaching and athletic development in Ireland.
"At this point we as a county committee wish to thank the academy and in particular, former Head of Academy, Karl Lacey for the outstanding progress that the academy has made to date. We wish to clearly state that there is no suggestion of any misconduct relating to Karl or academy personnel. We also most strongly caution against and condemn any such suggestion. All finances and governance of the academy have always been the sole responsibility of the county committee.
"We look forward to working through the recent issues with our academy personnel and building on the great work achieved until this point. We once again thank Karl Lacey for his outstanding and exemplary efforts to date, as a strong role model for all that is good in our games.
"We wish to state it is the express wish of our county committee that Karl and the coaches would return and we are working hard and are hopeful that they will reconsider their positions.
"We acknowledge this has been a difficult time for all concerned. The GAA in Donegal should be a place where excellence is the standard and that we all play our part in ensuring this happens."
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 24, 2023, 09:59:40 AM
Brendan Devenney tweeting about an audit being carried out on the Academy fiasco. Would the GAA HQ get involved in that??
Devenney always seems to be the go to lad regards Donegal. Likes the limelight.
Quote from: marty34 on March 24, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 24, 2023, 09:59:40 AM
Brendan Devenney tweeting about an audit being carried out on the Academy fiasco. Would the GAA HQ get involved in that??
Devenney always seems to be the go to lad regards Donegal. Likes the limelight.
He's an outgoing lad and good at the media stuff, including the main Donegal GAA podcast from Highland Radio.
Getting some pushback this week as some think he's too close to certain individuals, which means he's not all in on the prevailing feeling that both the current messes are symptoms of the same county board problem.
This audit, if it happens, will be interesting.
Quote from: J70 on March 25, 2023, 03:03:49 PM
Quote from: marty34 on March 24, 2023, 09:14:25 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 24, 2023, 09:59:40 AM
Brendan Devenney tweeting about an audit being carried out on the Academy fiasco. Would the GAA HQ get involved in that??
Devenney always seems to be the go to lad regards Donegal. Likes the limelight.
He's an outgoing lad and good at the media stuff, including the main Donegal GAA podcast from Highland Radio.
Getting some pushback this week as some think he's too close to certain individuals, which means he's not all in on the prevailing feeling that both the current messes are symptoms of the same county board problem.
This audit, if it happens, will be interesting.
I must say I really like Devenney on the radio..Eamon McGee also a great listen. Articulate fella.
So it's Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley for the rest of the season.
Quote from: J70 on March 28, 2023, 05:36:55 PM
So it's Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley for the rest of the season.
God love ye J70. Two bluffers!
Quote from: J70 on March 28, 2023, 05:36:55 PM
So it's Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley for the rest of the season.
O'Rourke relegated Louth to Div 3 in his only managerial stint. He then coached Down last year and they never won a match. Bradley has never managed at senior level, club or county (Intermediate club and U20 county). How on earth have these two boys landed the Donegal job? What do Donegal people think of the appointment
Let's get through the rest of this year, try to get our house in order with the CB and the Academy, and rebuild some faith in the whole structure. Championship wise, I'd settle for no (more) humiliations.
Quote from: The Trap on March 24, 2023, 08:47:37 AM
Will put this on this thread.
Donegal knew for a while that Declan Bonner was going to step away but didn't have a succession plan.
This will probably be Logan/Dooher last year, maybe McGeeny......where do those counties turn next? There are not too many candidates
Malachy O'Rourke after he gets another crack with Glen?
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2023, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: The Trap on March 24, 2023, 08:47:37 AM
Will put this on this thread.
Donegal knew for a while that Declan Bonner was going to step away but didn't have a succession plan.
This will probably be Logan/Dooher last year, maybe McGeeny......where do those counties turn next? There are not too many candidates
Malachy O'Rourke after he gets another crack with Glen?
Behave yourself
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 08:46:33 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 29, 2023, 07:50:40 PM
Quote from: The Trap on March 24, 2023, 08:47:37 AM
Will put this on this thread.
Donegal knew for a while that Declan Bonner was going to step away but didn't have a succession plan.
This will probably be Logan/Dooher last year, maybe McGeeny......where do those counties turn next? There are not too many candidates
Malachy O'Rourke after he gets another crack with Glen?
Behave yourself
We couldn't afford him;)
Wonder what Jim Gavin is at ....
Quote from: Walter Cronc on March 29, 2023, 06:56:10 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 28, 2023, 05:36:55 PM
So it's Aidan O'Rourke and Paddy Bradley for the rest of the season.
God love ye J70. Two bluffers!
Yeah, on the bandwagon.
Need to get the correct culture in Donegal before they move forward.
From bottom to top.
https://www.donegallive.ie/news/home/1071012/potholes-ahead-remove-dentures-tighten-bra-straps.html
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2010/0726/268565-donegal/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2010/0726/268565-donegal/)
McGuinness close to sealing Donegal job
Who saw this coming??
Wonder what todays date is....
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 01, 2023, 09:22:08 AM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2010/0726/268565-donegal/ (https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2010/0726/268565-donegal/)
McGuinness close to sealing Donegal job
Who saw this coming??
Wonder what todays date is....
You Tyrone lads are getting too much enjoyment for my liking from our plight! :)
https://donegalnews.com/2023/04/mchugh-departs-donegal-panel-ahead-of-championship/
It's not getting any better in Donegal anyway!
Donegal starting to put the Croke Park review plans into action.
Two Omagh men on the Interim Implementation Team. All look to have decent qualifications to start us down the road to getting on a similar track, hopefully, to our esteemed neighbours to the east and northeast.
Interim Head of Operations: Billy Bennett
Interim Coaching support: Roger Keenan
Interim Governance and Finance support: Gerard Bradley
https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/ (https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/)
Quote from: J70 on July 11, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
Donegal starting to put the Croke Park review plans into action.
Two Omagh men on the Interim Implementation Team. All look to have decent qualifications to start us down the road to getting on a similar track, hopefully, to our esteemed neighbours to the east and northeast.
Interim Head of Operations: Billy Bennett
Interim Coaching support: Roger Keenan
Interim Governance and Finance support: Gerard Bradley
https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/ (https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/)
And did you know there was a(n incredibly qualified) Tyrone woman at the head of it all?!
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2023, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 11, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
Donegal starting to put the Croke Park review plans into action.
Two Omagh men on the Interim Implementation Team. All look to have decent qualifications to start us down the road to getting on a similar track, hopefully, to our esteemed neighbours to the east and northeast.
Interim Head of Operations: Billy Bennett
Interim Coaching support: Roger Keenan
Interim Governance and Finance support: Gerard Bradley
https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/ (https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/)
And did you know there was a(n incredibly qualified) Tyrone woman at the head of it all?!
Yourself?
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2023, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 11, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
Donegal starting to put the Croke Park review plans into action.
Two Omagh men on the Interim Implementation Team. All look to have decent qualifications to start us down the road to getting on a similar track, hopefully, to our esteemed neighbours to the east and northeast.
Interim Head of Operations: Billy Bennett
Interim Coaching support: Roger Keenan
Interim Governance and Finance support: Gerard Bradley
https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/ (https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/)
And did you know there was a(n incredibly qualified) Tyrone woman at the head of it all?!
I'd no idea.
Tell us more.
Good to see youse giving the neighbours a digout in our time of need though. Maybe its because we were so accommodating the other week in McCumhaill Park. :P
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2023, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 11, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
Donegal starting to put the Croke Park review plans into action.
Two Omagh men on the Interim Implementation Team. All look to have decent qualifications to start us down the road to getting on a similar track, hopefully, to our esteemed neighbours to the east and northeast.
Interim Head of Operations: Billy Bennett
Interim Coaching support: Roger Keenan
Interim Governance and Finance support: Gerard Bradley
https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/ (https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/)
And did you know there was a(n incredibly qualified) Tyrone woman at the head of it all?!
Yourself?
No, but a peer, and a troubleshooter who was also sent to Pairc Uí Chaoimh a few years ago too. Former Ulster Head of Finance before the Croke Park positions.
Yes, thanks for that J70 ;D Didn't take us much further in any case.
Quote from: Rois on July 13, 2023, 09:05:35 PM
Quote from: Smokin Joe on July 11, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Rois on July 11, 2023, 08:57:33 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 11, 2023, 05:54:28 PM
Donegal starting to put the Croke Park review plans into action.
Two Omagh men on the Interim Implementation Team. All look to have decent qualifications to start us down the road to getting on a similar track, hopefully, to our esteemed neighbours to the east and northeast.
Interim Head of Operations: Billy Bennett
Interim Coaching support: Roger Keenan
Interim Governance and Finance support: Gerard Bradley
https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/ (https://donegalgaa.ie/interim-implementation-team-approved/)
And did you know there was a(n incredibly qualified) Tyrone woman at the head of it all?!
Yourself?
No, but a peer, and a troubleshooter who was also sent to Pairc Uí Chaoimh a few years ago too. Former Ulster Head of Finance before the Croke Park positions.
Yes, thanks for that J70 ;D Didn't take us much further in any case.
Ah right, I get you now.