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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: June 18, 2018, 03:40:06 PM »

The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn’t have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn’t try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn’t give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?

If the 4 steps rule was strictly enforced,a lot of goals would be disallowed.

DJ the finest exponent of the 10 step goal

The standard of officiating has been bang to average in Munster,to say the least

David Reidy yesterday

The Tipp non goal v Waterford

Austin Gleeson ripping the helmet off Bonner Maher

Are 3 other obvious ones that spring to mind

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM »
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn’t have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn’t try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn’t give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM »
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn’t have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn’t try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:52:08 AM »
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.
Definitely
And the injury list the Deise had.
Derek should have used a dummy team all through the league

Played a dummy team all through the league?

What difference would that have made when the injuries struck during the actual Munster championship itself,particularly during the Clare game.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM »
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn’t have made 3rd place

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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 13, 2018, 02:00:48 PM »
Ultimately the fault lies with every "hurling supporter" in the county. People don't bother to get involved and go to their clubs AGM. The same people get elected each year with very little change within any club. This apathy feeds upward into the county board which is merely a reflection of the clubs. Talk of setting up "structures" at underage to get more kids in and get them better coached falls down on the simple fact that it is very difficult to get people to take on coaching roles in clubs. The job usually falls to a couple of dads who take it on reluctantly as their own kids are involved and they may as well do it or no one will. These lads will typically spend two years at each age group and move up to the next age group as their kids get older, just as they were getting the hang of that age group. They now have to learn the ropes at the new age groups.
The same process happens at county "development" squad level.

The GDA's - who get heavily criticised - are willing to help any club upskill their coaches, but again the apathy from the clubs is palpable. There is a series of player pathway workshops on the go at the moment, but the buy-in and attendance from some clubs (including my own) is poor. Getting enough people each year to manage all the groups from u7 to u17 is a serious challenge to most clubs each year and the rate of burnout among underage coaches is high. It's a tough role these days.

The ideal in each club and at county level would be for each age group to have three to four experienced coaches who stay at that age group getting more experienced each year, and passing the young hurlers up the conveyor belt improving them all the way. The GDAs have tried to support this, but generally people (coaches) are only interested in the age group their own child is in. You may get a few current or ex hurlers wanting to get involved at u15 or u17 level, but not generally before.

I don't know if Cheddars plan has answers on how you get more people involved in club coaching, but unless it does, it's difficult to see how the county can improve. Laois being a small county means every club has to supply several county quality players whereas the likes of Kilkenny or Tipperary clubs have to supply a lot less.


It all comes back to the clubs. Get more people involved. More current players getting involved with younger teams. Pushing the county board to be better. But who are the clubs? The self same "hurling supporters who stand on the ditch and criticise or take to the keyboards on forums like this. I am heavily involved with my club and coaching. How many posters on this forum can say the same?


On a final note, although I have great respect for Cheddar and the work he put in, I recall a general feeling that he had taken the squad at the time as far as he was able. Unfortunately, we had no one to build on the solid foundations he had laid.

Well said,Sir

Apathy

Sums up where we are at,as someone who is also heavily involved underage with my club,I completely agree with the participation rates from some clubs being very poor with regard to the player pathway.

We now have 5 GDA’s in place,Kerry have 6.

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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 13, 2018, 01:55:41 PM »
If the application for funding was turned down

There would have been a letter saying that it was declined and the reasons why


Let’s have sight of the letter then
The plan was shelved by Croke Park. This is fact. Stop spreading untruths.

Except it wasn’t,which was borne out by what Jack Nolan said in his article also

You keep defending the county board though,there’s a good lad

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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 12, 2018, 03:59:35 PM »
If the application for funding was turned down

There would have been a letter saying that it was declined and the reasons why


Let’s have sight of the letter then

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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 12, 2018, 03:51:13 PM »

Cheddars plan (which I would love to see) was scuppered by his own county not by Croke Park.
Incorrect. It was scuppered by both.

Incorrect

It didn’t have the backing of the county board and without the backing of the county board,it wasn’t going to be taken serious by anyone.
Incorrect again. It was scuppered regardless of backing of CB.


Factually incorrect

There’s a process involved,

In its most simplistic form

A County Board sends in a proposal for funding and HQ decides to fund or not,based on the merits of the proposal

there was no application for funding from the Laois CB based on cheddars plan and HQ didn’t have to examine the proposal because it didn’t receive one.


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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 12, 2018, 03:00:17 PM »

Cheddars plan (which I would love to see) was scuppered by his own county not by Croke Park.
Incorrect. It was scuppered by both.

Incorrect

It didn’t have the backing of the county board and without the backing of the county board,it wasn’t going to be taken serious by anyone.

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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 12, 2018, 02:15:05 PM »
I think Cheddar should certainly be heading up the hunt for a new Manager but I don't think he should be the new manager. He was there for a few years and he was with the minors before that so someone with a slightly different approach and a new voice might be a wiser option.
Id love to see him try again with his blueprint for Laois hurling and for the Co board to realize their mistake and support Cheddars long term plan. He could also form part of the backroom team for the senior hurlers surveying things in the background, he would pick up on things and think outside the box in terms of drumming up interest in hurling, promoting it, planning the financial side of things.

This probably sounds harsh or unfair but I don't think the current panel are good enough to get us to where we want to go - that being able to compete in the leinster championship proper against Kilkenny and Wexford etc. They are good enough to win the McDonagh cup alright but are we happy with that? No is the answer to that so that's why I feel a long term plan should be foremost for the County board to develop Laois hurling.

The blueprint AND money from Croke Park to implement it. If CP are serious about the lesser counties, they need to back it. Stop doping Dublin and start sharing that €1.4m amongst other counties who actually need it now.

Cheddar's a smart man, so I'm sure the blueprint has been costed. Let Croke Park pay for it and see if it starts to bear fruit in 4/5/6 years time. I remember Cheddar on the radio a few years back, after we had just rattled Galway's cage, looking for funding and a Dub came on representing CP saying that there were finite resources available.

This in a period when Dublin has received €16.5m in funding, while the next nearest county has received less than €1m. It's a f**king disgrace what those c*nts have done to the organisation and it appears they won't stop until Dublin are winning All Ireland doubles for fun.

Look at the blueprint and get the c*nts in their ivory tower to stop telling us to eat cake and put their money with their big f**king mouths are.

The Laois CB at any time in the past 10 years have not made any approach to Croke Park to get extra funding for hurling within the county.

In actual fact,Belfast received £1m recently for GAA activities nearly despite their own County Board

Often easier to blame the “suits up there” than actually put together a plan and then stay banging on the door till we get what we want.

Cheddars plan (which I would love to see) was scuppered by his own county not by Croke Park.


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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 07, 2018, 04:20:15 PM »
Lads does anyone here have a copy of what Cheddar was actually proposing in his plan?.

Would love to see it. And I suspect that you'd get plenty of actual (financial) support for it from hurling people inside the county and outside it. But of course to do so would take a little imagination.

Looking back now, it's incredible that he was let walk away

Laois spent c.€700k across the 2 codes in 2017 preparing Teams,assuming a spend of €300k on hurling

Im sure a better allocation of that money allied to Cheddar's plan would see modest gains ie. we would go from losing to the likes of Carlow and Kerry to losing to the likes of Cork and Limerick.

There's every possibility next year we could be losing to the likes of Kildare and Roscommon.




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Laois / Re: 2018 Joe McDonagh Cup
« on: June 07, 2018, 02:31:58 PM »
Lads does anyone here have a copy of what Cheddar was actually proposing in his plan?.

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Hurling Discussion / Re: Hurling championship 2018
« on: May 25, 2018, 05:53:12 PM »
There could be two weekends of dead rubber games

4 points won’t be enough for third place in Munster,that round robin will go right to the wire

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Laois / Re: The future of laois hurling
« on: May 19, 2018, 01:14:42 PM »
Clough defeated Cullohill in the Div 1 Primary Schools Finals this week. Great to see two pretty rural schools doing so well.

Great credit also to Abbeyleix who won 3 Finals having qualified for 4. Their 3rd and 4th Class team beat Camross after extra time.

Seems to have been a lot of football area schools in finals too which is interesting.

LaoisToday are providing a great service. I hope it's sustainable in the long term because their volume of coverage is certainly making the Leinster Express up their online presence. Can only be a positive.

I wouldn’t read too much into football area schools or Portlaoise schools for that matter being in C na B finals as an indicator of kids playing hurling,in a lot of cases this would be the final time they would have a Hurley in their hand

Timahoe Ns beaten in a final,panel of 15/16,3 playing hurling with a club
Ballyadams Ns beaten in a final,panel of 12/13,3 or 4 at most playing hurling with a club
Ratheniska Ns won a camogie final,panel of 20 odd,3 playing camogie
Holy Family Ns won a hurling final,20 odd on a panel,4/5 playing with a club.


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