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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 22, 2017, 06:09:51 PM »
If these Gaels outfits had to give a commitment that they would be in place for say a minimum of 3 years in order for it to be approved by the C/B,it might stop some of these short term amalgamations.

Break up before the 3 years is up,the penalty is that you can't enter into another amalgamation for 3 years after the date of your original agreement.

I.e. Have an agreement in place 2018-2020,break up before 2020,it's 2023 before the C/B can approve any other Gaels proposal from the clubs involved.

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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 22, 2017, 02:08:03 PM »
We will never know what Arles could have achieved because they blew their chance to achieve their potential. Nobody to blame but themselves .

Only in Laois would this situation arise, this situation is a microcosm of Laois football as a whole. Shooting ourselves in the foot and then living the rest of lives saying oh what might have been if things had of been handled correctly. We are all guilty of it at times, albeit some more than others.  Typical Laois.

Indeed

Is there any other county in Ireland which has as many multiple clubs in rural parishes as what laois has?

i can only speak for the hurling side but you tend to have 1 club per parish in the likes of Offaly,Tipp excluding Clonmel,Carrick and Thurles,Kilkenny excluding the City and Galway excluding the city also.

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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 22, 2017, 12:32:05 PM »
The Killeen Kilcruise situation really makes me sick to be honest. If they were together over the past 10 years how many championships would of been won?

With the potential for a leinster or 2 and possibly a club all ireland thrown in,as well

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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 20, 2017, 06:50:33 PM »
Some other points Id include if I was creating these regional teams.

Regions appoint managers and committees with the help of the county board. Thus creating their own regional boards.
This should be done earlier  rather than later allowing managers of the regions to finalise their panels of 30 by watching club league games.
Regions will decide on colours of Jersey, crests etc.
 They dont play league football/hurling and should only commence training 6-8 weeks  before the championship begins.
. The two regions should always meet in the first round of the championship. Then continuing in the winner/loser format.
If a region wins the football/hurling championship the last remaining senior club team shall represent Laois in Leinster. If two are knocked out at the same stage a playoff will ensue to decide who represents Laois.
Regional teams can not be relegated.
The composition of the regions will change due to promotions and relegations from senior.
Underage teams not playing A football/hurling in the defined region will also come together to play A grade football/hurling.
Regional championships Senior/Intermediate/junior (with internal promotions and relegations) possibly played in the pre season (Before league) Jan- March.

I firmly believe that these changes will greatly benefit Laois hurling and football.

Agree with all your points bar this one,

For player development its better to keep Juveniles/Under age up to and including Minor with their clubs rather than having a regional team comprising 7/8 teams and a squad of 25 max.

It would still allow all underage amalgamations and clubs to still exist Na Fianna Og etc. However if these sides are playing in the B grade they could join up with other clubs in the region who are  not playing A to play A grade hurling/football. For example this year in the Under 21 football championship the East Laois team for example would have seen Na Fianna Og, Ballylinan, Park Ratheniska and the Heath join up. The clubs/amalgamations will still play in the B competition.

This in my opinion would enhance player development as the elite players in the clubs playing below the A grade would be getting exposure to a higher level of football/hurling .

However as was said before I can not see the clubs or the county board even contemplating such an idea which is a shame

that's doable and welcome at u21 level

From minor down,there's nothing to stop teams coming together and aspiring for the A,there's a few clubs at underage level,more than happy to stay in the B rather than step up to the A,this years u14 football championship being a prime example with only 5 clubs taking part.

I would caution against a 5/6 team amalgamation at minor and below in terms of player burnout (you have dual u14's playing 25+ games a year atm) and the logistics,scheduling of A grade games v B grade games with their own club,training etc...

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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 20, 2017, 11:52:11 AM »
Some other points Id include if I was creating these regional teams.

Regions appoint managers and committees with the help of the county board. Thus creating their own regional boards.
This should be done earlier  rather than later allowing managers of the regions to finalise their panels of 30 by watching club league games.
Regions will decide on colours of Jersey, crests etc.
 They dont play league football/hurling and should only commence training 6-8 weeks  before the championship begins.
. The two regions should always meet in the first round of the championship. Then continuing in the winner/loser format.
If a region wins the football/hurling championship the last remaining senior club team shall represent Laois in Leinster. If two are knocked out at the same stage a playoff will ensue to decide who represents Laois.
Regional teams can not be relegated.
The composition of the regions will change due to promotions and relegations from senior.
Underage teams not playing A football/hurling in the defined region will also come together to play A grade football/hurling.
Regional championships Senior/Intermediate/junior (with internal promotions and relegations) possibly played in the pre season (Before league) Jan- March.

I firmly believe that these changes will greatly benefit Laois hurling and football.

Agree with all your points bar this one,

For player development its better to keep Juveniles/Under age up to and including Minor with their clubs rather than having a regional team comprising 7/8 teams and a squad of 25 max.

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Laois / Re: Schools Hurling
« on: November 17, 2017, 07:57:31 PM »
A is a 5 team Leinster competition
A1 rest of Leinster excludes Dublin only 4 teams in competition, think Mountrath go on to play Dublin A champions (No Dublin school in Leinster A)

Thanks for that TM

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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 17, 2017, 04:19:25 PM »
What' teams would ye put in together lads

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Laois / Re: Schools Hurling
« on: November 17, 2017, 02:38:25 PM »
Is "Rest of Leinster" schools from the weaker counties or how is it composed?

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Laois / Re: Strategic Review of Gaelic Games in Laois 2017
« on: November 17, 2017, 12:17:23 PM »
Neither high up nor well in,was in Croke Park at one of those conferences during the year and got talking by chance to someone high up on the coaching side,I didn't bring up the topic either.

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Laois / Re: Strategic Review of Gaelic Games in Laois 2017
« on: November 17, 2017, 11:00:29 AM »
You've defended the GDA's here before and your experience seems to be at odds with what a lot of club/schools are saying.

Croke Park is aware that there's an issue here,It will be interesting to see what the review has to say also.


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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 17, 2017, 10:26:19 AM »
Ballinakill Gaels with Ballypickas wouldn't be a bad option.

That could free up Shanahoe to join up with Clonad and Colt as the Raheen Parish Gaels.

Unfortunately the Raheen Parish Gaels amalgamation at juvenile level is under pressure already

How do you mean?

At least 1 Party to the amalgamation wants to walk away,very disappointing if that happens as personally would like to see it operating at adult level as well.

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Laois / Re: National Hurling Legue 1B 2018
« on: November 17, 2017, 08:40:52 AM »
I believe Conroy was only approached to go with the footballers after he had been let go from the hurlers.
Conroy is a student-teacher I think (?) and couldn't commit to every session as demanded by Kelly.

I respect that Kelly is demanding Cheddar levels of commitment but it's very early in proceedings to be issuing such ultimatums.

I heard a rumour that Garoid Bourke may be coming on board this year. Be a massive addition.

With the league starting earlier next year,it's not early at all

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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 17, 2017, 08:37:55 AM »
Ballinakill Gaels with Ballypickas wouldn't be a bad option.

That could free up Shanahoe to join up with Clonad and Colt as the Raheen Parish Gaels.

Unfortunately the Raheen Parish Gaels amalgamation at juvenile level is under pressure already

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Laois / Re: Gaels amalgamations
« on: November 16, 2017, 10:38:20 AM »
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