Illegals out he says.
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 12:33:35 AM
Illegals out he says.
If he was a racist then presumably he would say only illegals of a certain race out?
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 12:33:35 AM
Illegals out he says.
He said there should be controlled immigration, not sure anyone disagrees with that ::)
QuoteHe said there should be controlled immigration, not sure anyone disagrees with that
That's exactly what he said. But protesters that are and were arguing the same are tainted as racists, anyhow the horse has bolted on this and as per usual the so called powers that be are been reactive rather than proactive. It's only when this matter ended up in Dublin starting with east wall did it come to the governments attention. It's something that's been an issue and brewing in rural Ireland for years where some small towns are already over capacity.
Isn't there "controlled immigration " already for non EU/GB/EEA people?
Any person can claim International protection and become an asylum seeker.
Presumably illegal immigrants are
1 people who came on a holiday or student visa and didn't leave when it expired
Or
2 asylum seekers who debunked from their accommodation.
But hardly anyone is deported, so immigration is in effect uncontrolled.
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
QuoteHe said there should be controlled immigration, not sure anyone disagrees with that
That's exactly what he said. But protesters that are and were arguing the same are tainted as racists, anyhow the horse has bolted on this and as per usual the so called powers that be are been reactive rather than proactive. It's only when this matter ended up in Dublin starting with east wall did it come to the governments attention. It's something that's been an issue and brewing in rural Ireland for years where some small towns are already over capacity.
it's racist ti say that.
Using bold font is racist
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
QuoteHe said there should be controlled immigration, not sure anyone disagrees with that
That's exactly what he said. But protesters that are and were arguing the same are tainted as racists, anyhow the horse has bolted on this and as per usual the so called powers that be are been reactive rather than proactive. It's only when this matter ended up in Dublin starting with east wall did it come to the governments attention. It's something that's been an issue and brewing in rural Ireland for years where some small towns are already over capacity.
Yes thank God for the Famine to control immigration in rural Ireland.
QuoteYes thank God for the Famine to control immigration in rural Ireland.
What percentage of the population ought to be asylum seekers to enable some form of cultural integration into the community? Is there any benchmark on this? Some towns in the west of Ireland appear to have been taken advantage of due to unused leftover houses post "celtic tiger".
There is a large swathe of land and one would imagine underused buildings in the RTE campus in Donnybrook, this would be ideal for temporary accommodation, maybe RTE will lend a hand at some stage?
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
QuoteHe said there should be controlled immigration, not sure anyone disagrees with that
That's exactly what he said. But protesters that are and were arguing the same are tainted as racists, anyhow the horse has bolted on this and as per usual the so called powers that be are been reactive rather than proactive. It's only when this matter ended up in Dublin starting with east wall did it come to the governments attention. It's something that's been an issue and brewing in rural Ireland for years where some small towns are already over capacity.
The protesters are shouting abuse at people in their place of residence, this is quite different from issuing a statement on the subject.
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 10:59:05 AM
There is a large swathe of land and one would imagine underused buildings in the RTE campus in Donnybrook, this would be ideal for temporary accommodation, maybe RTE will lend a hand at some stage?
RTÉ have sold off a large part of their campus, why would they have underused buildings?
QuoteThe protesters are shouting abuse at people in their place of residence, this is quite different from issuing a statement on the subject.
Fully agree, the protests are now infiltrated by a hate mob. The Gov made a mess and this was an open goal for the far right nutters. The Gov had complete disregard for local communitys with no communication as to what is happening and what the plan is to house the asylum seekers. It took TII (the roads authority, again above in Dublin) years to understand that communication with farmers was key when dividing up their lands for roads. Seems to be a cultural thing between Dublin's ruling class and the rest of us, the ruling class still seem to think anyone outside Dublin are uneducated farmers.
I think it was Fintan O'Toole that was the only journalist that highlighted the open goal for the far right about 8 months back. Anyone outside Dublin could see what was brewing.
It's only when the public perception becomes obvious to the Dublin media that "journalists" start asking questions that ought to have been asked months ago. Pat Kenny is a perfect example on his show this morning.
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 11:22:55 AM
QuoteThe protesters are shouting abuse at people in their place of residence, this is quite different from issuing a statement on the subject.
Fully agree, the protests are now infiltrated by a hate mob. The Gov made a mess and this was an open goal for the far right nutters. The Gov had complete disregard for local communitys with no communication as to what is happening and what the plan is to house the asylum seekers. It took TII (the roads authority, again above in Dublin) years to understand that communication with farmers was key when dividing up their lands for roads. Seems to be a cultural thing between Dublin's ruling class and the rest of us, the ruling class still seem to think anyone outside Dublin are uneducated farmers.
I think it was Fintan O'Toole that was the only journalist that highlighted the open goal for the far right about 8 months back. Anyone outside Dublin could see what was brewing.
It's only when the public perception becomes obvious to the Dublin media that "journalists" start asking questions that ought to have been asked months ago. Pat Kenny is a perfect example on his show this morning.
In fairness not many countries have a plan for refugee crisis when a war breaks out. Look what happens in the Middle East or Africa massive refugee camps. Is the solutions the government are implementing ideal? Absolutely not, but outside of running a huge housing surplus on the off chance a refugee crisis emerges it's difficult to know what to do.
Quote from: trailer on January 12, 2023, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 11:22:55 AM
QuoteThe protesters are shouting abuse at people in their place of residence, this is quite different from issuing a statement on the subject.
Fully agree, the protests are now infiltrated by a hate mob. The Gov made a mess and this was an open goal for the far right nutters. The Gov had complete disregard for local communitys with no communication as to what is happening and what the plan is to house the asylum seekers. It took TII (the roads authority, again above in Dublin) years to understand that communication with farmers was key when dividing up their lands for roads. Seems to be a cultural thing between Dublin's ruling class and the rest of us, the ruling class still seem to think anyone outside Dublin are uneducated farmers.
I think it was Fintan O'Toole that was the only journalist that highlighted the open goal for the far right about 8 months back. Anyone outside Dublin could see what was brewing.
It's only when the public perception becomes obvious to the Dublin media that "journalists" start asking questions that ought to have been asked months ago. Pat Kenny is a perfect example on his show this morning.
In fairness not many countries have a plan for refugee crisis when a war breaks out. Look what happens in the Middle East or Africa massive refugee camps. Is the solutions the government are implementing ideal? Absolutely not, but outside of running a huge housing surplus on the off chance a refugee crisis emerges it's difficult to know what to do.
Refugee camps would be the way forward, up at the top of Donegal, the old fashion tents, none of the new versions, pot of tea a day and some spuds to keep them goin till they get processed and on their way back to where ever they came from.
Not too many will head over if they have to head up there Trailer? your favourite spot
Unfortunately I see Ireland becoming more like UK Brexiters/US Republicans and country will be there in about a decade. Very pro-Eu country now but that will change. There's a new nationalism emerging that is not unlike English nationalism. That mentality can be seen in both left and right. It's a worrying development.
There was a guy interviewed yesterday who had recently bought one of the apartments adjacent to the ESB site. His wife is now pregnant and they are looking to sell the apartment and buy a house.
He claimed that either he won't be able to sell or will be forced to sell at a loss
Disgraceful carry on by the govt
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
The migrants are bringing the price of the apartments down? What price was the apartment?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
Of all country folk to be behaving like this too. Prob best not to give these right wing lunatics any air
Look at ballymun though and how they have stirred people up :(
The likes of some of the stuff in America and Brazil is alive and kicking in this country unfortunately.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
No, that's not the logical conclusion of what I said. However, we basically don't deport bogus asylum seekers, let alone 'economic migrants' who shouldn't be here. Thus, I repeat the question: why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Why should they settle for no life just to protect the value of your house? We could go on all day taking alternative viewpoints. The reality is, these are people who need help. We can't nor should be expecting to help them all. But we should be doing what is within our remit to do. Just the same as what we should be doing for Iess fortunate Irish people as well. I can certainly see his concern, but would like to know how much of a drop in value is he looking at? Or is he sure this is the reason? House prices dropped all over in Q4. I'd like to quantify his opinion a bit more tbh.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
No, that's not the logical conclusion of what I said. However, we basically don't deport bogus asylum seekers, let alone 'economic migrants' who shouldn't be here. Thus, I repeat the question: why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Listening to some on here the standard of life in the South is top notch, that extra 6 months living longer average is the deal winner, and with the better roads its impossible to argue with!! So I don't know why people are complaining!
Quote from: trailer on January 12, 2023, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 11:22:55 AM
QuoteThe protesters are shouting abuse at people in their place of residence, this is quite different from issuing a statement on the subject.
Fully agree, the protests are now infiltrated by a hate mob. The Gov made a mess and this was an open goal for the far right nutters. The Gov had complete disregard for local communitys with no communication as to what is happening and what the plan is to house the asylum seekers. It took TII (the roads authority, again above in Dublin) years to understand that communication with farmers was key when dividing up their lands for roads. Seems to be a cultural thing between Dublin's ruling class and the rest of us, the ruling class still seem to think anyone outside Dublin are uneducated farmers.
I think it was Fintan O'Toole that was the only journalist that highlighted the open goal for the far right about 8 months back. Anyone outside Dublin could see what was brewing.
It's only when the public perception becomes obvious to the Dublin media that "journalists" start asking questions that ought to have been asked months ago. Pat Kenny is a perfect example on his show this morning.
In fairness not many countries have a plan for refugee crisis when a war breaks out. Look what happens in the Middle East or Africa massive refugee camps. Is the solutions the government are implementing ideal? Absolutely not, but outside of running a huge housing surplus on the off chance a refugee crisis emerges it's difficult to know what to do.
most refugee camps are across a land border though and not a 4 hour flight away
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
I bought a small house in 2016, wife became pregnant in 2021, sold the house in 2021 to upsize. Its plausible.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
Don't be a fool, wrap your tool.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:30:46 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
No, that's not the logical conclusion of what I said. However, we basically don't deport bogus asylum seekers, let alone 'economic migrants' who shouldn't be here. Thus, I repeat the question: why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Listening to some on here the standard of life in the South is top notch, that extra 6 months living longer average is the deal winner, and with the better roads its impossible to argue with!! So I don't know why people are complaining!
Nah, you're still dodging the point.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 12, 2023, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
I bought a small house in 2016, wife became pregnant in 2021, sold the house in 2021 to upsize. Its plausible.
Did you lose out because a few migrants came to Tyrone?
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2023, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
Of all country folk to be behaving like this too. Prob best not to give these right wing lunatics any air
Anybody who has an opinion contrary to you is rightwing or fuckwitted in some way. We can have a debate on this issue without resorting to this bullshite. You & your ilk try to shut down every conversation that does not suit your narrative. People in the political centre to right are beginning to see through this.
What are the numbers of refugees in the South?
What's the break down in terms of what they get?
Are they contributing to society?
What is the vetting process and if not why are people still voting in the government? Tories got in on getting migrants out ;)
How much extra is the tax payer paying?
What's the unemployment rate like in the South? is there jobs for those (our own) that are missing out or having a poor standard of life?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
The link to the interview was on the East Wall post
They interviewed a bunch of people who lived in the adjacent apartments
I only listened to the first 2 or 3
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
pisstake? Has to be
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Ahhh-so they're economic migrants seeking a better life instead of persecuted refugees
Thanks for the clarification
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 12, 2023, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
I bought a small house in 2016, wife became pregnant in 2021, sold the house in 2021 to upsize. Its plausible.
Did you lose out because a few migrants came to Tyrone?
Tyrone is full of immigrants. Dungannon has a huge East Timorese population. No protests yet. People in the North might be more tolerant.
Are Ireland not told how many refugees to take in by their EU masters, whether they can afford to or not , or whether they have enough accommodation ?
Quote from: trailer on January 12, 2023, 03:05:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:39:54 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 12, 2023, 02:38:24 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 01:06:00 PM
"Recently bought"
"Wife now pregnant"
"Wants to sell"
Why did he buy an apartment "recently" if he was going to sell the minute wife became pregnant. A real person would have bought a house and saved themselves 2 loads of legal fees, stamp duties etc plus auctioneer fees.
Sounds like sh1te.
I'm only telling you what was said
Recently could be 2 or 3 years ago so it's completely plausible
If he exists, and if his intention was to live in a house once his wife got pregnant why waste money buying an apartment in the first place?
I bought a small house in 2016, wife became pregnant in 2021, sold the house in 2021 to upsize. Its plausible.
Did you lose out because a few migrants came to Tyrone?
Tyrone is full of immigrants. Dungannon has a huge East Timorese population. No protests yet. People in the North might be more tolerant.
No - There is no far right in the north, just far left Eirigi lovers ;D
The north as a tolerant society. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: AustinPowers on January 12, 2023, 03:10:49 PM
Are Ireland not told how many refugees to take in by their EU masters, whether they can afford to or not , or whether they have enough accommodation ?
EU Masters? Where do you get this bollocks? Do you read the Daily Telegraph?
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
QuoteHe said there should be controlled immigration, not sure anyone disagrees with that
That's exactly what he said. But protesters that are and were arguing the same are tainted as racists, anyhow the horse has bolted on this and as per usual the so called powers that be are been reactive rather than proactive. It's only when this matter ended up in Dublin starting with east wall did it come to the governments attention. It's something that's been an issue and brewing in rural Ireland for years where some small towns are already over capacity.
Towns have a "capacity?" And how big is this "capacity" exactly?
Quote from: Rudi on January 12, 2023, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2023, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
Of all country folk to be behaving like this too. Prob best not to give these right wing lunatics any air
Anybody who has an opinion contrary to you is rightwing or fuckwitted in some way. We can have a debate on this issue without resorting to this bullshite. You & your ilk try to shut down every conversation that does not suit your narrative. People in the political centre to right are beginning to see through this.
I'm all on for debate etc but this place is full of Daily Mail type sensationalist headlines and soundbites (and most to get a reaction, many from poster sock puppets too).
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2023, 03:41:56 PM
Quote from: Rudi on January 12, 2023, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: JoG2 on January 12, 2023, 02:14:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 02:08:34 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Well, why should we be obliged to provide a better life for the rest of the world, whilst making a worse life for our own?
Should just get the signs back up!! No Refugees allowed
Of all country folk to be behaving like this too. Prob best not to give these right wing lunatics any air
Anybody who has an opinion contrary to you is rightwing or fuckwitted in some way. We can have a debate on this issue without resorting to this bullshite. You & your ilk try to shut down every conversation that does not suit your narrative. People in the political centre to right are beginning to see through this.
I'm all on for debate etc but this place is full of Daily Mail type sensationalist headlines and soundbites (and most to get a reaction, many from poster sock puppets too).
My experience is the opposite, the left on here are constantly shutting down debate - such as far right soundbites. You in particular are part of that cohort. I think your better than that.
I believe in controlled immigration, that doesn't make me far right. I also believe in being as decent as possible to people who have fallen on hard times, regardless of gender, sex, age, skin color etc. That doesn't make me a liberal.
The 3 most heinous murders that took place in this country last year, were the murders of a young lady in Tullamore by an immigrant & murders of 2 gay men in Sligo by an immigrant. Recently another young woman in Cork was murdered by an immigrant. This is not a statement of racism, its a statement of fact. We should be very careful who we allow into this country, lads on a boat, visibly throwing their passports into the Irish sea, should be sent back from where they came. An open door free for all is not the way to go, we don't have the infrastructure, key resources to support un-regulated immigration.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on January 12, 2023, 03:34:56 PM
Quote from: highorlow on January 12, 2023, 09:07:06 AM
QuoteHe said there should be controlled immigration, not sure anyone disagrees with that
That's exactly what he said. But protesters that are and were arguing the same are tainted as racists, anyhow the horse has bolted on this and as per usual the so called powers that be are been reactive rather than proactive. It's only when this matter ended up in Dublin starting with east wall did it come to the governments attention. It's something that's been an issue and brewing in rural Ireland for years where some small towns are already over capacity.
Towns have a "capacity?" And how big is this "capacity" exactly?
Educated guess, would say availability of bulidings fit for purpose to house people in a dignified & safe manner. In terms of infrastructure sewage has to go somewhere, we are not India. Water supplies, local amenities, adequate school size with required student to teacher ratio. Doctors, hospitals near by. Just stuff in general, to keep a civilised society functioning.
The 2 people charged with those murders have something else in common....
They are MEN!
Immigration is already controlled from non EU/GB/EEA.
People claiming asylum have to be treated in accordance with international law.
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2022-11-08/845/
A lovely lad altogether
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/organiser-of-anti-refugee-protests-is-arrested-over-threat-to-burn-down-hotel-42281960.html
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 04:12:58 PM
The 2 people charged with those murders have something else in common....
They are MEN!
Immigration is already controlled from non EU/GB/EEA.
People claiming asylum have to be treated in accordance with international law.
There ya go the Men baaad card gets played, straight out of the liberal hand book. They are close to 50% of the worlds population.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 04:12:58 PM
The 2 people charged with those murders have something else in common....
They are MEN!
Immigration is already controlled from non EU/GB/EEA.
People claiming asylum have to be treated in accordance with international law.
I'm sorry, you have no credibility. You're like that Henderson turd from the Refugee Council who refused to countenance that some people may come here because Ireland is "seen as a soft touch". Next you'll be trying to get people banned from here.
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
I think the calibre of the protesters can be judged by the person interviewed there who complained of "albinos" and "Americans from Georgia" coming. Ignorance can be manipulated.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
How dare you!!!
Only foreigners commit rape or murder in Ireland!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
You are, though some of the Eastern Europeans are punching above their weight when it comes to criminality
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 06:06:59 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
You are, though some of the Eastern Europeans are punching above their weight when it comes to criminality
Some of the Irish from certain groups are too.
So the rationale on here seems to be that seeing as there are some Irish people who commit crime we should then just open the doors and let anyone and everyone in, regardless of their background or criminal record
Makes perfect sense
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
Interesting that you should use the word "still". How long should we give it?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 06:18:23 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
Interesting that you should use the word "still". How long should we give it?
I don't know, but the birth rate is lower with white Irish people and it's just simple maths, Britain will go first and become a Muslim state then France (they might be first) so Ireland you'd assume would be next. Not exactly sure when but it's happening, probably before Casement is but or the Derry rd
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 04:12:58 PM
The 2 people charged with those murders have something else in common....
They are MEN!
Immigration is already controlled from non EU/GB/EEA.
People claiming asylum have to be treated in accordance with international law.
that Henderson turd from the Refugee Council
That tells us all wrong need to know about this poster. A real neo nasty.
No comment from him about an extremist who wants to burn a building with women and children in it.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 04:12:58 PM
The 2 people charged with those murders have something else in common....
They are MEN!
Immigration is already controlled from non EU/GB/EEA.
People claiming asylum have to be treated in accordance with international law.
that Henderson turd from the Refugee Council
That tells us all wrong need to know about this poster. A real neo nasty.
No comment from him about an extremist who wants to burn a building with women and children in it.
You can call a poster a "neo nasty" here & cry to the moderators on another thread about mis information, which they ignored. Why on earth should he condemn something he had absolutely no involvement in. Self righteous clown.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
wasn't there a guy that was sexually assaulted by 3 men in Belfast the other night while out walking his dog?
Quote from: clarshack on January 12, 2023, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
wasn't there a guy that was sexually assaulted by 3 men in Belfast the other night while out walking his dog?
There was
Quote from: Rudi on January 12, 2023, 06:45:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 06:28:28 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 12, 2023, 04:12:58 PM
The 2 people charged with those murders have something else in common....
They are MEN!
Immigration is already controlled from non EU/GB/EEA.
People claiming asylum have to be treated in accordance with international law.
that Henderson turd from the Refugee Council
That tells us all wrong need to know about this poster. A real neo nasty.
No comment from him about an extremist who wants to burn a building with women and children in it.
You can call a poster a "neo nasty" here & cry to the moderators on another thread about mis information, which they ignored. Why on earth should he condemn something he had absolutely no involvement in. Self righteous clown.
But he called a man that he has no involvement with a "turd".
I see you're going down the same road of nasty name calling.
Masks slipping.
Really hopin neo nasty is genuine and not a pisstake
Quote from: clarshack on January 12, 2023, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
wasn't there a guy that was sexually assaulted by 3 men in Belfast the other night while out walking his dog?
Was the dog touched?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: clarshack on January 12, 2023, 06:51:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 05:34:41 PM
I'd say in Ireland you are still more likely to be murdered by a white man and raped by a white man?
wasn't there a guy that was sexually assaulted by 3 men in Belfast the other night while out walking his dog?
Was the dog touched?
Lucky it wasn't a goat, eh?!!
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Ahhh-so they're economic migrants seeking a better life instead of persecuted refugees
Thanks for the clarification
I think you need to reread. Might help with the clarity..
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Ahhh-so they're economic migrants seeking a better life instead of persecuted refugees
Thanks for the clarification
I think you need to reread. Might help with the clarity..
Refugees flee danger
Economic migrants move in order "seek a better life" (your words-not mine)
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 07:52:01 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Ahhh-so they're economic migrants seeking a better life instead of persecuted refugees
Thanks for the clarification
I think you need to reread. Might help with the clarity..
Refugees flee danger
Economic migrants move in order "seek a better life" (your words-not mine)
You think getting away from danger isn't a better life.
Dead on FFS.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 07:54:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 07:52:01 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Ahhh-so they're economic migrants seeking a better life instead of persecuted refugees
Thanks for the clarification
I think you need to reread. Might help with the clarity..
Refugees flee danger
Economic migrants move in order "seek a better life" (your words-not mine)
You think getting away from danger isn't a better life.
Dead on FFS.
What danger is in Albania, Slovakia & Romania ?
Tell ya something for nathin, if I grew up in poverty I'd be heading west at every opportunity
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 07:56:52 PM
Tell ya something for nathin, if I grew up in poverty I'd be heading west at every opportunity
Absolutely, they don't have benefits like we do. Bit of Just Eat deliveries on the side
Quick check and their average monthly wage is around $500 a month, in comparison to the other countries it's very good.
Anyone using just eat or the others needs shot!
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 07:55:48 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 07:54:33 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 07:52:01 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 07:42:50 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 03:02:44 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on January 12, 2023, 01:36:11 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Doesn't change the fact that he'll be selling at a loss due to a mass influx of migrants 'seeking a better life'. And you're brushing over that. Why?
Should they not seek a better life in the area to protect this guy's house price?
Ahhh-so they're economic migrants seeking a better life instead of persecuted refugees
Thanks for the clarification
I think you need to reread. Might help with the clarity..
Refugees flee danger
Economic migrants move in order "seek a better life" (your words-not mine)
You think getting away from danger isn't a better life.
Dead on FFS.
What danger is in Albania, Slovakia & Romania ?
Human trafficking and slavery for one.
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
May want to get of your high horse. Controlled immigration is standard across the global, Oz, USA, New Zealand, Canada etc etc. Have seen any posts yet which are calling for a stop but there is a natural limit every country can take. If you knew your history you would know Irish people didn't get hand outs from any country. They had to work hard and integrate fully into their destinations. The narrative that Irish immigrated and life was made easy and that we all should accept the same is simply incorrect.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 12, 2023, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
May want to get of your high horse. Controlled immigration is standard across the global, Oz, USA, New Zealand, Canada etc etc. Have seen any posts yet which are calling for a stop but there is a natural limit every country can take. If you knew your history you would know Irish people didn't get hand outs from any country. They had to work hard and integrate fully into their destinations. The narrative that Irish immigrated and life was made easy and that we all should accept the same is simply incorrect.
Just because Irish people were treated like dirt a lot of the time abroad doesn't give us the same right to treat immigrants like shite. No Dogs No Blacks No Irish. I'd hate to see similar being spouted here.
Having said that, Irish people for the main part went and improved the countries they went to- the GAA community world wide and especially in the states in testament to that. We went and worked and made something of ourselves. Anyone coming here either legally or illegally and not looking work should be sent to f**k back where they came from whether they are immigrants or refugees or "looking a better life" (probably makes me a racist but anyway) All for people coming here, getting jobs and contributing to society. Absolutely love to see people from other countries coming here and getting involved with GAA etc, great to see.
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
Maybe you should take a trip to Belfast and see if you can find the three fellas who raped the guy out walking his dog last night
They'd be a great addition to your GAA club
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
Maybe you should take a trip to Belfast and see if you can find the three fellas who raped the guy out walking his dog last night
They'd be a great addition to your GAA club
Were they Ukrainian?
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
I have never heard anyone from Ireland going to America, London & Germany in the 80s, Saudi, Australia to get those countries dole. That's the difference.
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
Maybe you should take a trip to Belfast and see if you can find the three fellas who raped the guy out walking his dog last night
They'd be a great addition to your GAA club
Whitey, your nothing but a rascist ****. Imagine someone from Belfast throwing stones at a minority for serious crime. Now back into your sewer shitebag.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
I have never heard anyone from Ireland going to America, London & Germany in the 80s, Saudi, Australia to get those countries dole. That's the difference.
Ever hear of Irish people starting say criminal gangs in foreign countries dumbo? How does it feel to be aligned with the far right and little englanders.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
I have never heard anyone from Ireland going to America, London & Germany in the 80s, Saudi, Australia to get those countries dole. That's the difference.
What's the dole like in the states? they wouldn't have the dole in Saudi I'd imagine
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 09:57:17 PM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:52:54 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
I have never heard anyone from Ireland going to America, London & Germany in the 80s, Saudi, Australia to get those countries dole. That's the difference.
What's the dole like in the states? Do they wouldn't have the dole in Saudi I'd imagine
Yeah they went to those countries to work
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 09:51:23 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 12, 2023, 09:47:14 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 12, 2023, 09:12:12 PM
Today I went down to a hotel in my local town were families of Ukrainians from Kharkiv are packed into rooms. I picked up a young boy aged 12 and I brought him to our football club to train. He was delighted. Our club is doing a membership discount for the refugees in the town but I didn't ask these people for it because if you went down there and saw how they are living well you'd need to be a right w**ker with a heart of Stone not to be touched by it. Some of the people in this country have forgotten their history and they are a disgrace to their ancestors. Those people in east wall are nothing but ignorant fucks infiltrated by the far right. Clearly there's plenty of the same ilk on here. It's depressing to me. So I'm not going to waste my time debate with fuckwits any more, I'll help these poor people in any small way I can and to hell with the rascists.
Maybe you should take a trip to Belfast and see if you can find the three fellas who raped the guy out walking his dog last night
They'd be a great addition to your GAA club
Were they Ukrainian?
Highly doubtful
That's kinda the whole point
No one (I know of) has an issue with legitimate refugees and asylum seekers
Its the others who are chancing their arm that are the issue
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
Something wrong with just eat? You are missing the point. People working and integrating into any society isnt an issue. People coming expecting hand outs is. Really is that simple.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 12, 2023, 10:45:35 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
Something wrong with just eat? You are missing the point. People working and integrating into any society isnt an issue. People coming expecting hand outs is. Really is that simple.
No, I'm not missing the point, if illegals are here they can't claim benefits, refugees can but same as the next person and migrants can also claim benefits
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
I took it that the point was that Irish tended to go for work and not for free welfare. Put quite pithily, I thought. You really ought to have twigged.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:49:07 PM
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Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
Something wrong with just eat? You are missing the point. People working and integrating into any society isnt an issue. People coming expecting hand outs is. Really is that simple.
No, I'm not missing the point, if illegals are here they can't claim benefits, refugees can but same as the next person and migrants can also claim benefits
Which is wrong. IMO.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:50:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
I took it that the point was that Irish tended to go for work and not for free welfare. Put quite pithily, I thought. You really ought to have twigged.
You're the one triggered about people coming here to get a better life..
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:50:52 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:49:07 PM
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Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
Something wrong with just eat? You are missing the point. People working and integrating into any society isnt an issue. People coming expecting hand outs is. Really is that simple.
No, I'm not missing the point, if illegals are here they can't claim benefits, refugees can but same as the next person and migrants can also claim benefits
Which is wrong. IMO.
Which bit? The illegal people who live here claiming benefits?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:54:10 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:50:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:41:22 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 12, 2023, 10:33:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:27:48 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 12, 2023, 10:18:51 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 12, 2023, 10:12:52 PM
Plenty of illegal Irish in the states, I know two, haven't been home in 30 years
Claiming much benefits are they?
I just said he's illegal.. but that's fine
That's the whole point, I would have thought. Did you really miss it?!!
So it's ok to have illegals then? As long as they work at just eats
I took it that the point was that Irish tended to go for work and not for free welfare. Put quite pithily, I thought. You really ought to have twigged.
You're the one triggered about people coming here to get a better life..
Where did I defend it?
Tens of thousands of people coming into a very small country in a short space of time simply isn't going to work. Regardless if they are immigrants or refugees. If it had of been a big country or very large cities then it would taken longer for the effect to have been realised. However ireland is noticing the effects quicker as the infrastructure which was already thin is being streched further. Wasn't it killarney which in a matter of weeks almost doubled its population?
Putting it simply the Irish government has failed to react to this or to push back and say there isn't enough space. Leo and his pals are far more concerned with looking good to the EU rather than taking care of people who elected him. At the end of all this he will be off into a position in the EU and Ireland will be left picking up the pieces.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 12, 2023, 11:29:25 PM
Tens of thousands of people coming into a very small country in a short space of time simply isn't going to work. Regardless if they are immigrants or refugees. If it had of been a big country or very large cities then it would taken longer for the effect to have been realised. However ireland is noticing the effects quicker as the infrastructure which was already thin is being streched further. Wasn't it killarney which in a matter of weeks almost doubled its population?
Putting it simply the Irish government has failed to react to this or to push back and say there isn't enough space. Leo and his pals are far more concerned with looking good to the EU rather than taking care of people who elected him. At the end of all this he will be off into a position in the EU and Ireland will be left picking up the pieces.
Oh you cannae be saying things like that on here man ;D
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 12, 2023, 11:46:30 PM
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
apparently protestors on rte were saying american albino refugees are being shipped in from georgia has the facebook pandemic got out of control in ireland
if ireland was to leave eu the likes ff and fg are to blame because lots of voters will just blame the eu for all immigration.
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2023, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 12, 2023, 11:46:30 PM
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
Let us know what you think of Dublin when you visit. Was in it this year for the first time in years. Put it this way it will be years before I am in it again.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu ....
We wouldn't have an immigration "problem" then, we'd have a major Emigration problem as we'd go back to the 1950s or become a western Albania.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 10:04:15 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu ....
We wouldn't have an immigration "problem" then, we'd have a major Emigration problem as we'd go back to the 1950s or become a western Albania.
There was a mass loss of people during the last recession. Wouldnt say being in the EU stopped it by any stretch.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2023, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 12, 2023, 11:46:30 PM
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
Let us know what you think of Dublin when you visit. Was in it this year for the first time in years. Put it this way it will be years before I am in it again.
Do explain.
These louts are now protesting outside schools and people are not sending their kids to school as a consequence, this is like Holy Cross except there is feck all policing.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:15:41 AM
These louts are now protesting outside schools and people are not sending their kids to school as a consequence, this is like Holy Cross except there is feck all policing.
How do they get time of work for all this protesting ?
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2023, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 12, 2023, 11:46:30 PM
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
Let us know what you think of Dublin when you visit. Was in it this year for the first time in years. Put it this way it will be years before I am in it again.
was in the city centre before the 2021 All-Ireland Final, thought it was pretty grim myself especially around O'Connell street and by all accounts it has gotten worse since then.
Quote from: clarshack on January 13, 2023, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2023, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 12, 2023, 11:46:30 PM
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
Let us know what you think of Dublin when you visit. Was in it this year for the first time in years. Put it this way it will be years before I am in it again.
was in the city centre before the 2021 All-Ireland Final, thought it was pretty grim myself especially around O'Connell street and by all accounts it has gotten worse since then.
druggies, beggars etc etc. Belfast no better.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2023, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 12, 2023, 11:46:30 PM
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
Let us know what you think of Dublin when you visit. Was in it this year for the first time in years. Put it this way it will be years before I am in it again.
Lol
I did the open bus tour with the wife and kids before the pandemic and pick up was outside the Gresham
Eye opening to say the least.
We got a cab back to our Airbnb when it was done.....felt very unsafe
Dublin, like many other Irish cities and towns is a victim of bad or a lack of government policy. Just like housing and the inability to deal with an influx of refugees.
They don't want or know how to get things done. Ireland has one of the highest rates of death by drugs in Europe. We know the current approach doesn't work. But drug addicts aren't voters and policies which would make a difference would probably go down badly with their older more conservative supporters. People don't seem to care about when a drug addict dies. Portugal and many other countries have shown that decriminalisation is the way to go, but we have sat on our hands while the body count keeps rising.
The housing crisis too is no doubt placing a limit on our economic potential too. It's causing no end of social problems. Solving this and providing more community supports and ways to keep young people busy and under the influence of positive role models would go a long way to dealing with anti-social behaviour. There's plenty of good proven examples of how many societal issues can be tackled in other countries, but too often our politics are driven by cynical optics.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu the likes ff and fg are to blame because lots of voters will just blame the eu for all immigration.
What are you on about? No party supports leaving the EU. However, there is no doubt that the EU encourages and promotes immigration.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: clarshack on January 13, 2023, 10:40:07 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 06:43:06 AM
Quote from: J70 on January 13, 2023, 12:37:11 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on January 12, 2023, 11:46:30 PM
Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
Let us know what you think of Dublin when you visit. Was in it this year for the first time in years. Put it this way it will be years before I am in it again.
was in the city centre before the 2021 All-Ireland Final, thought it was pretty grim myself especially around O'Connell street and by all accounts it has gotten worse since then.
druggies, beggars etc etc. Belfast no better.
Even with the sectarian tension , I always felt far safer in Belfast than I ever did in Dublin. There's just an uncomfortable feeling and many's a dodgy character all around you in Dublin. I only ever go there for GAA matches now. I don't intend to be back in it for any other reason
Quote from: Cavan19 on January 13, 2023, 10:23:48 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:15:41 AM
These louts are now protesting outside schools and people are not sending their kids to school as a consequence, this is like Holy Cross except there is feck all policing.
How do they get time of work for all this protesting ?
Don't be threatening them scumbags with a 4 letter word like WORK.
Quote from: burdizzo on January 13, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu the likes ff and fg are to blame because lots of voters will just blame the eu for all immigration.
What are you on about? No party supports leaving the EU. However, there is no doubt that the EU encourages and promotes immigration.
The EU facilitates movement, which can be in either direction. EU immigrants are not a problem.
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 10:04:15 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu ....
We wouldn't have an immigration "problem" then, we'd have a major Emigration problem as we'd go back to the 1950s or become a western Albania.
There was a mass loss of people during the last recession. Wouldnt say being in the EU stopped it by any stretch.
When was that? 1980s?
We had no single market then.
Population didn't drop after the property crash in 2008.
Dublin, and I'm going back over 30 years ago, before the influx of refugees and illegal immigrants was always a dangerous place around O'Connell street at night, when did it become a safe place? There were druggies all over the shop. Never hung about that area, same as any city there will always be thugs/druggies/wankers
No major party supports leaving eu but if the right wing continues to grow over the years its a possibility they could make a impact and sinn fein could easily go anti eu if they think people are becoming anti refugee.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 13, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu the likes ff and fg are to blame because lots of voters will just blame the eu for all immigration.
What are you on about? No party supports leaving the EU. However, there is no doubt that the EU encourages and promotes immigration.
The EU facilitates movement, which can be in either direction. EU immigrants are not a problem.
Have you been in Armagh/Dungannon/Newtown/Keady/Newry lately? More EU faces than Irish ones.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 13, 2023, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Was thon lad from Armagh who had a truck load of people he was smuggling that died?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 11:35:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 13, 2023, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Was thon lad from Armagh who had a truck load of people he was smuggling that died?
Driver was from the other side of Armagh who are a different kind of orangemen than us Armagh gaels lol. Owner was Armagh/Monaghan border.
Quote from: johnnycool on January 13, 2023, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Aye we have to keep our own unfortunately. Let's maybe put ads out for more Albanian drug gangs, we haven't enough.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 11:11:38 AM
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 10:10:48 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 10:04:15 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu ....
We wouldn't have an immigration "problem" then, we'd have a major Emigration problem as we'd go back to the 1950s or become a western Albania.
There was a mass loss of people during the last recession. Wouldnt say being in the EU stopped it by any stretch.
When was that? 1980s?
We had no single market then.
Population didn't drop after the property crash in 2008.
Are you serious?
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20263566.html
RTE figures showed a 40% I crease in emigration in 2008.
Population may not overall have dropped that much but there was a massive issue of young educated people leaving during this time.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 11:35:09 AM
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Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Was thon lad from Armagh who had a truck load of people he was smuggling that died?
Driver was from the other side of Armagh who are a different kind of orangemen than us Armagh gaels lol. Owner was Armagh/Monaghan border.
Ah well if he was from the other side then that's alright!!
So we aren't involved with people smuggling/slavery/murder.. Phew!!
Quote from: thebigfella on January 13, 2023, 10:11:15 AM
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Refugees are living in tents in the middle of winter here and direct provision is widely regarded as inhumane and people get stuck in that system for years on end, but you wouldn't think it reading comments here.
I always hear about rural Ireland dieing and all the young people leaving, but wouldn't think it reading about small towns being 'at capacity' apparently.
Apparently the UK is going to become overran with Muslims, and the UK percentage of muslims currently stands at around... a staggering... 4%... yes, a whole... 4%...
History should not be lost on us as Irish people. America's nativist movements has its roots in anti-Irish and anti-Catholicism.
Many of the Irish and many other white immigrants to the US became integrated by embracing racism against blacks.
Just because the Irish abroad were treated like dirt, does not mean we should treat migrants in a similar manner. We should have perspective and empathy and think ourselves better than those who treated us so badly.
I'm taking the family home this summer for the first time in a decade (first time for my youngest, second for my wife and oldest).
I can't comment on the general topic as I have no direct knowledge of what is going on there, but I'm expecting a drastically changed, bursting at the seams society going by much of what is being alleged here.
It is amazing how quickly people forget how we have been on the other end of it though.
Let us know what you think of Dublin when you visit. Was in it this year for the first time in years. Put it this way it will be years before I am in it again.
Do explain.
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Massive amounts of homeless and beggars. Yes every major city has issues but I was taken aback at how bad it was. The streets were stinking and the smell of urine walking past the side streets was unreal. This was around Grafton street.
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 13, 2023, 11:39:45 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 13, 2023, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Aye we have to keep our own unfortunately. Let's maybe put ads out for more Albanian drug gangs, we haven't enough.
Are you concerned that these Albanian drug gangs "are coming over here and taking our work"?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 11:14:19 AM
influx of refugees and illegal immigrants was always
Who are "illegal immigrants"
Are they failed asylum seekers who go into hiding? Are they people who stayed beyond their visas?
Are they people who came ashore in the middle of the night?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 11:35:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 13, 2023, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Was thon lad from Armagh who had a truck load of people he was smuggling that died?
Driver was from the other side of Armagh who are a different kind of orangemen than us Armagh gaels lol. Owner was Armagh/Monaghan border.
Ah well if he was from the other side then that's alright!!
So we aren't involved with people smuggling/slavery/murder.. Phew!!
What are you on about now lol.
Looks like we've enough of our own scumbags without importing more
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 11:45:55 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 11:38:23 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 11:35:09 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 13, 2023, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 12, 2023, 09:05:55 PM
Channel crossings: Albanian migrants recruited to the UK by gangs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63488070
Albanian drug gangs are using the migrant camps of northern France as a recruitment ground, offering to pay the passage of those prepared to work in the UK drugs industry on arrival, the BBC has been told.
Albanians account for around a third of the almost 40,000 people who have arrived in small boats.................
Just as well there's no Irish drug gangs, we're so much better than that!
Oh, and as for people smuggling, we Irish don't get involved in that either.
The island of Saints and Scholars indeed.
Was thon lad from Armagh who had a truck load of people he was smuggling that died?
Driver was from the other side of Armagh who are a different kind of orangemen than us Armagh gaels lol. Owner was Armagh/Monaghan border.
Ah well if he was from the other side then that's alright!!
So we aren't involved with people smuggling/slavery/murder.. Phew!!
The other lad was from Hilltown so it's hardly an ussuns are good people smugglers and themmuns are bad people smugglers..
Sweet Jebus, Farage wouldn't be in it with some of you lads.
So just to confirm JC you think it's a positive for Ireland that Albanian drug gangs are arriving here ?
Quote from: Saffrongael on January 13, 2023, 11:52:18 AM
So just to confirm JC you think it's a positive for Ireland that Albanian drug gangs are arriving here ?
There must be a demand for them or they wouldn't bother. ;)
Where does it say they're arriving in Ireland, did I miss that?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu the likes ff and fg are to blame because lots of voters will just blame the eu for all immigration.
What are you on about? No party supports leaving the EU. However, there is no doubt that the EU encourages and promotes immigration.
The EU facilitates movement, which can be in either direction. EU immigrants are not a problem.
The issue with the EU is that if there are only a handful of what are seen as successful countries in the EU then immigrants flock to those few countries. Eu immigration is based towards UK, Ireland, France and Germany. Its not as if its spread evenly across all members.
Has "U K" rejoined EU? :o
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 12:23:51 PM
Has "U K" rejoined EU? :o
LOL was speaking in past tense.
"Irish Lives Matter"
What's that about?
Have the Gardai gone berserk on the natives?
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
What's this we business?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
What's this we business?
I'm an Irish citizen so I'm entitled to what goes on over there.
When I retire I intend spending at least 3 months out of the year there
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
What's this we business?
I'm an Irish citizen so I'm entitled to what goes on over there.
When I retire I intend spending at least 3 months out of the year there
Wouldn't bother, be full of Albanian's selling their kids to prostitution on the high street and drug dealers!!
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
What's this we business?
a so called gaa man from the north who I'm guessing has been subjected to some taunts down south about his citizenship using the same taunts on a fellow citizen he disagrees with politically ?
Quote from: Gmac on January 13, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
What's this we business?
a so called gaa man from the north who I'm guessing has been subjected to some taunts down south about his citizenship using the same taunts on a fellow citizen he disagrees with politically ?
Politically? Bit early to be on the beer over there?
He's waffling on about something that he's not living in, Wasn't that long ago you and him were giving off about people coming on to that thread of vile and saying you ain't from the USA you know nothing about what's going on over here blah blah
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 11:09:18 AM
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Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 10:15:41 AM
These louts are now protesting outside schools and people are not sending their kids to school as a consequence, this is like Holy Cross except there is feck all policing.
How do they get time of work for all this protesting ?
Don't be threatening them scumbags with a 4 letter word like WORK.
Says one of the most prolific posters on here, spending the most time on Gaaboard.
I suppose these lads weren't vetted when the left home....
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0113/1346481-vincent-parsons-murder/
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Gmac on January 13, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
What's this we business?
a so called gaa man from the north who I'm guessing has been subjected to some taunts down south about his citizenship using the same taunts on a fellow citizen he disagrees with politically ?
Politically? Bit early to be on the beer over there?
He's waffling on about something that he's not living in, Wasn't that long ago you and him were giving off about people coming on to that thread of vile and saying you ain't from the USA you know nothing about what's going on over here blah blah
he just said he will live there temporarily and I'm sure he could vote in the ROI which is where the topic is about , can you ?
I'm not making any real comments on the subject as I don't intend to live in Eire anytime soon
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 01:51:55 PM
I suppose these lads weren't vetted when the left home....
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0113/1346481-vincent-parsons-murder/
Yes, we already have enough undesirables here. You think we should be importing more?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 13, 2023, 02:01:05 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 01:51:55 PM
I suppose these lads weren't vetted when the left home....
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2023/0113/1346481-vincent-parsons-murder/
Yes, we already have enough undesirables here. You think we should be importing more?
He doesn't seem to grasp the concept, that belongs in the lawless republic thread.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:45:13 PM
Quote from: Gmac on January 13, 2023, 01:31:58 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 13, 2023, 01:00:37 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
Seeing as we have criminals in Ireland, we should open our borders to criminals from other countries
Makes perfect sense
What's this we business?
a so called gaa man from the north who I'm guessing has been subjected to some taunts down south about his citizenship using the same taunts on a fellow citizen he disagrees with politically ?
Politically? Bit early to be on the beer over there?
He's waffling on about something that he's not living in, Wasn't that long ago you and him were giving off about people coming on to that thread of vile and saying you ain't from the USA you know nothing about what's going on over here blah blah
Huge difference
I was born in Ireland
I went to college in Ireland
I own property in Ireland
I can vote in Ireland (Senate)
I have citizenship of Ireland
I have immediate family members in Ireland
Compare that to people who spent 3 months in the States on a J1 40 years ago and all of a sudden are experts on everything related to the US by repeating CNN or NT Times propaganda
Quote from: tyrone08 on January 13, 2023, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 11:09:39 AM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 13, 2023, 11:01:57 AM
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu the likes ff and fg are to blame because lots of voters will just blame the eu for all immigration.
What are you on about? No party supports leaving the EU. However, there is no doubt that the EU encourages and promotes immigration.
The EU facilitates movement, which can be in either direction. EU immigrants are not a problem.
The issue with the EU is that if there are only a handful of what are seen as successful countries in the EU then immigrants flock to those few countries. Eu immigration is based towards UK, Ireland, France and Germany. Its not as if its spread evenly across all members.
Apart from Sweden, Denmark, Austria and France, of course. Large scale migration of any sort in the EU was a temporary phenomenon after the East-West realignment of Europe, that phase is now over.
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Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:33:15 AM
if ireland was to leave eu the likes ff and fg are to blame because lots of voters will just blame the eu for all immigration.
What are you on about? No party supports leaving the EU. However, there is no doubt that the EU encourages and promotes immigration.
The EU facilitates movement, which can be in either direction. EU immigrants are not a problem.
The issue with the EU is that if there are only a handful of what are seen as successful countries in the EU then immigrants flock to those few countries. Eu immigration is based towards UK, Ireland, France and Germany. Its not as if its spread evenly across all members.
Apart from Sweden, Denmark, Austria and France, of course. Large scale migration of any sort in the EU was a temporary phenomenon after the East-West realignment of Europe, that phase is now over.
Walk down the street in any town in Armagh and you'll see that is just wrong.
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 03:35:13 PM
Walk down the street in any town in Armagh and you'll see that is just wrong.
Which part of my sentence is wrong?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 03:35:13 PM
Walk down the street in any town in Armagh and you'll see that is just wrong.
Which part of my sentence is wrong?
Large scale migration in Europe is over. Unless they've all been here for years and still don't speak any English?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 03:48:57 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 03:35:13 PM
Walk down the street in any town in Armagh and you'll see that is just wrong.
Which part of my sentence is wrong?
Large scale migration in Europe is over. Unless they've all been here for years and still don't speak any English?
The ones in Armagh must be here a couple of years anyhow, as they cannot get in now in the occupied territories. What not English language do they speak?
Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 03:57:00 PM
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Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 03:35:13 PM
Walk down the street in any town in Armagh and you'll see that is just wrong.
Which part of my sentence is wrong?
Large scale migration in Europe is over. Unless they've all been here for years and still don't speak any English?
The ones in Armagh must be here a couple of years anyhow, as they cannot get in now in the occupied territories. What not English language do they speak?
I asked them in English Spanish French and German what language they spoke but they didn't understand. So it mustn't have been any of those ;)
Quote from: Gmac on January 13, 2023, 01:56:08 PM
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Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
I don't intend to live in Eire anytime soon
Neither does anyone else as there's no such place as "Eire".
Meanqhile how many took part in the extremists' "National day of protest" against foreigners?
0.001% of the 4.5m Irish born in the 26 Cos?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 04:03:43 PM
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Quote from: armaghniac on January 13, 2023, 03:38:52 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 13, 2023, 03:35:13 PM
Walk down the street in any town in Armagh and you'll see that is just wrong.
Which part of my sentence is wrong?
Large scale migration in Europe is over. Unless they've all been here for years and still don't speak any English?
The ones in Armagh must be here a couple of years anyhow, as they cannot get in now in the occupied territories. What not English language do they speak?
I asked them in English Spanish French and German what language they spoke but they didn't understand. So it mustn't have been any of those ;)
Maltesers perhaps.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 13, 2023, 02:32:01 AM
apparently protestors on rte were saying american albino refugees are being shipped in from georgia has the facebook pandemic got out of control in ireland
It's up there with Constance Markievicz giving his life...
https://twitter.com/brianwhelanhack/status/1613825014230310918?s=46&t=MZ54dVQiBqtDWW9WkBVzBg
Quote from: weareros on January 13, 2023, 04:53:40 PM
It's up there with Constance Markievicz giving his life...
I heard that interview, car crash stuff. But the ignorant can be led by those who know rightly, but lie.
As for Constance Markievicz was he one of these bleedin Eastern Europeans?
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Quote from: weareros on January 13, 2023, 04:53:40 PM
It's up there with Constance Markievicz giving his life...
I heard that interview, car crash stuff. But the ignorant can be led by those who know rightly, but lie.
As for Constance Markievicz was he one of these bleedin Eastern Europeans?
A classic:
https://twitter.com/newsworthy_ie/status/1055915012852727808?s=46&t=9lO0g09g-fTahy2xuueJnw
:D ;D :D ;D
So, he left out a fada, is that it? And you can't spell "meanwhile". Big deal.
Terrible dirty night to be out protesting. Didn't see many counter-protesters though, eh? And who was billing it a "national day of protest"? Didn't see that.
But I did see there was an "agent of the state" out, trying to incite the crowd. Now THAT's extreme.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 04:07:41 PM
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Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
I don't intend to live in Eire anytime soon
Neither does anyone else as there's no such place as "Eire".
Meanqhile how many took part in the extremists' "National day of protest" against foreigners?
0.001% of the 4.5m Irish born in the 26 Cos?
Quote from: burdizzo on January 13, 2023, 08:33:57 PM
So, he left out a fada, is that it? And you can't spell "meanwhile". Big deal.
Terrible dirty night to be out protesting. Didn't see many counter-protesters though, eh? And who was billing it a "national day of protest"? Didn't see that.
But I did see there was an "agent of the state" out, trying to incite the crowd. Now THAT's extreme.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 04:07:41 PM
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Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
I don't intend to live in Eire anytime soon
Neither does anyone else as there's no such place as "Eire".
Meanqhile how many took part in the extremists' "National day of protest" against foreigners?
0.001% of the 4.5m Irish born in the 26 Cos?
the bottom line with all this stuff is there are a certain section of society and this forum included who think they are smarter than most but I'm afraid the last couple of years have burst that bubble for anyone with an ounce of sense . Stick up for your values and opinions or you have nothing even if they are unpopular.
Counter protesting?!
They are sitting having a glass of Romanian red wine, with a bowl of Tavë kosi
Quote from: Gmac on January 13, 2023, 09:18:33 PM
Quote from: burdizzo on January 13, 2023, 08:33:57 PM
So, he left out a fada, is that it? And you can't spell "meanwhile". Big deal.
Terrible dirty night to be out protesting. Didn't see many counter-protesters though, eh? And who was billing it a "national day of protest"? Didn't see that.
But I did see there was an "agent of the state" out, trying to incite the crowd. Now THAT's extreme.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 04:07:41 PM
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Quote from: whitey on January 13, 2023, 12:38:44 PM
I don't intend to live in Eire anytime soon
Neither does anyone else as there's no such place as "Eire".
Meanqhile how many took part in the extremists' "National day of protest" against foreigners?
0.001% of the 4.5m Irish born in the 26 Cos?
the bottom line with all this stuff is there are a certain section of society and this forum included who think they are smarter than most but I'm afraid the last couple of years have burst that bubble for anyone with an ounce of sense . Stick up for your values and opinions or you have nothing even if they are unpopular.
Values like hatred of anyone different?
Values like wanting to burn a building full of women and children?
Yes they would be unpopular and very unChristian to say the least.
Funny you should mention that. There was a guard in disguise at East Wall shouting such things, trying to incite. As I said, an agent of the state, no doubt trying to portray the protesters in a bad light. Never got arrested, though. Quare that.
And, Rossfan, I'd be surprised if you self-identified as Christian at all, so leave out the sanctimonious shite.
I am a baptised and practising Christian who takes Jesus Christ's words about loving your neighbour (difficulty with Rhubarbs I must admit ;D) seriously.
Haven't much time for anti Christian hate spreaders though.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 13, 2023, 11:44:35 PM
Haven't much time for anti Christian hate spreaders though.
Oh? Like Muslims? You racist!
I've no problem with countries taking in refugees in a controlled fashion. In fact most things in life ought to be carried out with some sort of control and strategic plan, be it business, sport or government.
This government, including the EU have zero control or plan in place for the refugee influx. The government were also out of control during the covid "crisis" and are persistently out of control on the housing and health sectors.
There was a time during the ahern, haughey and Reynolds eras when we had very clever civil servants and advisors, I'm sure clever civil servants are still around but appear to be gagged, SIPO is a prime example of government fudge.
All I have heard all week is that we are entering a "crisis" now that most asylum hotels won't be renewing contracts due to the pending tourist season. One top guy for a charity organisation on the radio yesterday suggested we convert industrial units into provision centres, so moving refugees into industrial estates is his solution? That's some integration policy isn't it?
This issue started almost a year ago now. Of the 70k asylum seekers you would think that a good percentage of the able bodied men are capable of building things? Why wasn't this looked into over the last year and some sort of self build accommodation thought out?
I work in the construction industry and when companies go headlong into jobs without a thought out plan well in advance of commencement then 9 out of 10 times they end up bust. The immigration model is well bust in my opinion.
One last thing on this, sanctimonious shit aside, the radio silence from the Catholic Church is interesting. I don't have exact numbers but I believe we have about 2500 catholic priests in the country and just over 1000 parishes. Again I can't verify if this equates to 1000 fully habitable rectorys (many of which are fairy large in size, particularly in large and salubrious city surburbs). Assuming we have 700 or 800 priest homes along with adjacent lands wouldn't that level of readily available accommodation allow for an easy and quick solution (in part) plus it would lend itself to a fair and equal share where we are "all in this together" so to speak, where a better level of integration will be availed of and all communities in the land will be chipping in. I'm sure the existing priests can downsize elsewhere within their communities.
Some of our resident Protestants might have the numbers on their available accommodation also. ...
Quote from: highorlow on January 14, 2023, 09:45:34 AM
This issue started almost a year ago now. Of the 70k asylum seekers you would think that a good percentage of the able bodied men are capable of building things? Why wasn't this looked into over the last year and some sort of self build accommodation thought out?
I work in the construction industry and when companies go headlong into jobs without a thought out plan well in advance of commencement then 9 out of 10 times they end up bust. The immigration model is well bust in my opinion.
While getting of these to help is a good idea, if you work in construction then you know that a gang of randomers can't build a house, you also need electricians, plumbers etc. Perhaps crews drawn from the asylum seekers could paint and clean up etc, but that is not enough. However, the bulk of the volume as Ukrainians and there is more than enough work in Ukraine for builders, they are not coming here. There might be scope for offering visas to Albanians etc who can build, provided they work in construction.
QuoteOne last thing on this, sanctimonious shit aside, the radio silence from the Catholic Church is interesting. I don't have exact
numbers but I believe we have about 2500 catholic priests in the country and just over 1000 parishes. Again I can't verify if this equates to 1000 fully habitable rectorys (many of which are fairy large in size, particularly in large and salubrious city surburbs). Assuming we have 700 or 800 priest homes along with adjacent lands wouldn't that level of readily available accommodation allow for an easy and quick solution (in part) plus it would lend itself to a fair and equal share where we are "all in this together" so to speak, where a better level of integration will be availed of and all communities in the land will be chipping in. I'm sure the existing priests can downsize elsewhere within their communities.
Some of our resident Protestants might have the numbers on their available accommodation also. ...
These bodies have helped and probably there is more scope for this. But you now have situation where if some old building is provided that you have a mob of neo Nazis protesting outside.
Phillip McMahon, an anarchist rascal on the pitch no doubt but sound in the ways of the life and the world posted this on his twitter page.
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Quote from: Main Street on January 16, 2023, 12:19:21 AM
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But but but....only foreigners with dark skin kill women....
According to the 0.8% ....
Yeah cos that's what people were saying ya eejit ???
Refugee who stabbed Brit to death by Subway had already killed two other people in Serbia's
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-refugee-found-guilty-stabbing-29023893.amp
Posed as a 14 year old and went to school even though he was 18 at the time ffs
Happens all the time
https://www.kusi.com/the-number-of-adult-migrants-posing-as-unaccompanied-minors-at-us-mexico-border-increases/
https://twitter.com/dcediy/status/1617467178013409281?s=20&t=gh7fO-3HSoCTxPIFue3PUw
Is this tweet from a fake far right wing account?
some carry on in the Citywest last night.
And in Cork Hospital at the weekend ;)
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 04:11:40 PM
And in Cork Hospital at the weekend ;)
Agreed
We don't have enough criminals in Ireland and should be doing everything in our power to bring in more from overseas
Quote from: clarshack on January 24, 2023, 03:58:03 PM
some carry on in the Citywest last night.
no room service ?
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 04:11:40 PM
And in Cork Hospital at the weekend ;)
Agreed
We don't have enough criminals in Ireland and should be doing everything in our power to bring in more from overseas
Fireign International protection seekers (some of whom are alleged by some to be criminals) are not "brought in" by us.
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 05:34:25 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 04:11:40 PM
And in Cork Hospital at the weekend ;)
Agreed
We don't have enough criminals in Ireland and should be doing everything in our power to bring in more from overseas
Fireign International protection seekers (some of whom are alleged by some to be criminals) are not "brought in" by us.
Oh you mean the ones who destroy their passports and come to Ireland from "safe countries"
Sound
Another allegation/ right wing soundbite which you state as a fact.
How many of those seeking International Protection "tear up their papers", what safe Countries* have they come from?
Anyway my point to you was "we" don't bring them in, they arrive and ask for asylum.
The US woukd hardly qualify as mass murders are being carried out every day of the week ;D
Meanwhile the O'Byrne Cup win is driving our neighbours mad
https://www.shannonside.ie/
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 05:53:20 PM
Another allegation/ right wing soundbite which you state as a fact.
How many of those seeking International Protection "tear up their papers", what safe Countries* have they come from?
Anyway my point to you was "we" don't bring them in, they arrive and ask for asylum.
The US woukd hardly qualify as mass murders are being carried out every day If the week ;D
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2022/10/06/thousands-of-passengers-destroy-or-lose-passports-before-arrival-at-dublin-airport/
"Almost 40 per cent of people seeking asylum in Ireland this year arrived through Dublin Airport without any travel documents"
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30961488.html
"Mr Varadkar said that Georgian and Albanian migrants are travelling to Ireland with fake documents."
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1661700/albanian-migrants-uk-dublin-airport-route-ireland-soft-border-checks-priti-patel-policy/amp
"f challenged in Dublin, the gang organised said, the migrants are advised to "make a big noise" and claim asylum."
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ambassador-says-that-georgia-has-eu-status-of-safe-country-38657821.html
Here's another one. Able bodied men "fleeing" Georgia for asylum here.
Anyhow, the narrative is starting to change but it's still difficult to comprehend that when 90% of the population believe the present system is wrong and when 90% are against government policy that not one senior elected representative (some local councillors have tried) have put their head above the parapet and spoken out for change or some improvement.
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Quote from: highorlow on January 24, 2023, 06:36:43 PM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ambassador-says-that-georgia-has-eu-status-of-safe-country-38657821.html
Here's another one. Able bodied men "fleeing" Georgia for asylum here.
Anyhow, the narrative is starting to change but it's still difficult to comprehend that when 90% of the population believe the present system is wrong and when 90% are against government policy that not one senior elected representative (some local councillors have tried) have put their head above the parapet and spoken out for change or some improvement.
it's amazing how scared the public is afraid of the rabid 10/20%
Not easy to shake off being called a racist or misogynistic or some other insult.
Look through all the threads on here same few people very quick to insult and label people, a worldwide problem
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
EU law? Or us being governed by idiots? Or both?
Quote from: Armagh18 on January 24, 2023, 09:32:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
EU law? Or us being governed by idiots? Or both?
Or is it a case that immigration authorities are not following through on sending them back on the return flight?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
My understanding is that if you land in the States at an airport without ID they can send you back.
But if you had to fill out an ESTA, you probably wouldn't have made it that far with a fake passport. The the chances of someone presenting themselves with a fake or no passport are probably very slim
If you landed with a legit passport on a tourist visa, then claimed asylum I'd say they would have to let you in while your case is being heard
I know a Ukrainian family who came on a tourist visa in the 90s and claimed asylum once they got here. The Marathon Bombers family did something similar
Mate still there on a J1.. 30 years now ;D
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 10:28:11 PM
Mate still there on a J1.. 30 years now ;D
Wow-can't be easy in this day and age.
If people are coming to work and (even half way) obey the law the majority of people I know over here have little issue with illegals
Quote from: highorlow on January 24, 2023, 06:36:43 PM
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ambassador-says-that-georgia-has-eu-status-of-safe-country-38657821.html
Here's another one. Able bodied men "fleeing" Georgia for asylum here.
Anyhow, the narrative is starting to change but it's still difficult to comprehend that when 90% of the population believe the present system is wrong and when 90% are against government policy that not one senior elected representative (some local councillors have tried) have put their head above the parapet and spoken out for change or some improvement.
so what if they are able bodied? Are you only able to fell if you arent able bodied?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 25, 2023, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Serious question
How do you arrive on a plane without a passport?
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2023, 09:13:12 AM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 25, 2023, 07:59:24 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:23:52 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on January 24, 2023, 09:01:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 08:09:48 PM
Quote from: whitey on January 24, 2023, 08:03:29 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Serious question
How do you arrive on a plane without a passport?
Yeah like how does that happen? You are leaving Albania airport, you get to check in, with no passport, you then get to security with no passport then get on the plane? It's not Home alone 2
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People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Serious question
How do you arrive on a plane without a passport?
Yeah like how does that happen? You are leaving Albania airport, you get to check in, with no passport, you then get to security with no passport then get on the plane? It's not Home alone 2
A lot of times one person will hold the passports, in this case the facilitator. Once they arrive at the airport the facilitator will keep the passports and go through the PCP and leave the people he or she was supposed to help to fend for themselves.
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People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Serious question
How do you arrive on a plane without a passport?
Yeah like how does that happen? You are leaving Albania airport, you get to check in, with no passport, you then get to security with no passport then get on the plane? It's not Home alone 2
A lot of times one person will hold the passports, in this case the facilitator. Once they arrive at the airport the facilitator will keep the passports and go through the PCP and leave the people he or she was supposed to help to fend for themselves.
So put them back on the return plane? If the Yanks do it and its ok? why are they not doing it here? Do it a dozen or so times and see if that reduces it. Also detailed searches on hand luggage of people coming off these places were trends are starting.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Serious question
How do you arrive on a plane without a passport?
Yeah like how does that happen? You are leaving Albania airport, you get to check in, with no passport, you then get to security with no passport then get on the plane? It's not Home alone 2
A lot of times one person will hold the passports, in this case the facilitator. Once they arrive at the airport the facilitator will keep the passports and go through the PCP and leave the people he or she was supposed to help to fend for themselves.
And it's very possible the passports are fake to begin with, and that someone at the departure airport could be bribed it threatened into letting people board
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Serious question
How do you arrive on a plane without a passport?
Yeah like how does that happen? You are leaving Albania airport, you get to check in, with no passport, you then get to security with no passport then get on the plane? It's not Home alone 2
A lot of times one person will hold the passports, in this case the facilitator. Once they arrive at the airport the facilitator will keep the passports and go through the PCP and leave the people he or she was supposed to help to fend for themselves.
So put them back on the return plane? If the Yanks do it and its ok? why are they not doing it here? Do it a dozen or so times and see if that reduces it. Also detailed searches on hand luggage of people coming off these places were trends are starting.
If a person claims asylum they cant be put back on the plane and returned to the country of origin until their claim has been dealt with. If they claim asylum their bags will be searched
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 24, 2023, 07:36:58 PM
People are leaving to better themselves, it's up to the Irish immigration authorities to keep anyone arriving at the airport without documents and send them home.
If immigrants see a loop hole then that's on Customs/immigration authorities to sort out.
That goes for anyone arriving at the port, they ain't arriving on dinghy's
If people are leaving to better themselves they are economics migrants not refugees or asylum seekers
Ireland has no legal or fiscal obligation to these people
Especially not at the expanse of the taxpayers
I'm not saying they are refugees, they are leaving (like a lot of people) to improve their lives...
It's completely down to whoever is allowing them in, like I said they ain't arriving on small inflatable boats
Presumably International Law requires them to be put up while being investigated?
If I head to the States without documentation ( how anyone is allowed through an airport without it) they'll send me home or do they have international law?
If you cross the Southern Border without documents, my understanding is they have to let you in pending approval. That's why Trump implemented the "wait in Mexico" rule. (Would a peasant from a village have a passport or drivers license....probably not)
If you land at JFK or Logan and have no identification when you present yourself at Homeland Security you would be put on the next plane back to where you came from
So it's not international law when you land at an airport that they can't send you home? So why do they allow it in Dublin??
in terms of asylum, the 1951 convention. If you claim asylum your claim has to be considered. Doesn't matter if you are documented or not. Some of the people who arrive with without passports wont ever have had them in their possession anyway
Serious question
How do you arrive on a plane without a passport?
Yeah like how does that happen? You are leaving Albania airport, you get to check in, with no passport, you then get to security with no passport then get on the plane? It's not Home alone 2
A lot of times one person will hold the passports, in this case the facilitator. Once they arrive at the airport the facilitator will keep the passports and go through the PCP and leave the people he or she was supposed to help to fend for themselves.
And it's very possible the passports are fake to begin with, and that someone at the departure airport could be bribed it threatened into letting people board
Also true. Or they could be in on it. People smuggling is big business
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 25, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
Change the law so that you can then. Pull out of whatever agreements that force us to keep the c***ts!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
If they have come in on a plane it generally is a return flight? If the yanks do it why can't the Irish do it? Still doesn't answer why they even get on those dangerous boats when they talk about spending thousands of pounds to get here.. Fly and claim asylum
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/07/gang-rape-victims-trauma-after-heathrow-passengers-stop-attackers-deportation-9128061/amp/
Can you imagine the ruckus some of them would kick up on the plane if they tried to put them on the next plane back?
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2023, 12:38:13 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/07/gang-rape-victims-trauma-after-heathrow-passengers-stop-attackers-deportation-9128061/amp/
Can you imagine the ruckus some of them would kick up on the plane if they tried to put them on the next plane back?
Are there ruckus's in JFK when people are being deported?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
If they have come in on a plane it generally is a return flight? If the yanks do it why can't the Irish do it? Still doesn't answer why they even get on those dangerous boats when they talk about spending thousands of pounds to get here.. Fly and claim asylum
Not necessarily. Let's remember, a lot of these people wont have booked the flights, they will have given money to a facilitator. They may not remember, or know, which airports they have passed through enroute to get here, so where do we return them to? This isn't a refusal of leave to enter you are talking about where you can return them on the next available flight, it's asylum. It is a different ball game.
Can the Yanks actually do it? Are there circumstances in which they can do it and cannot do it?
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2023, 12:38:13 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/07/gang-rape-victims-trauma-after-heathrow-passengers-stop-attackers-deportation-9128061/amp/
Can you imagine the ruckus some of them would kick up on the plane if they tried to put them on the next plane back?
That f**ker just needs bullet in the head.
Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2023, 12:38:13 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/07/gang-rape-victims-trauma-after-heathrow-passengers-stop-attackers-deportation-9128061/amp/
Can you imagine the ruckus some of them would kick up on the plane if they tried to put them on the next plane back?
This si the thing, people have no idea who these guys are. Like those guys in Scotland
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Quote from: whitey on January 25, 2023, 12:38:13 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2019/04/07/gang-rape-victims-trauma-after-heathrow-passengers-stop-attackers-deportation-9128061/amp/
Can you imagine the ruckus some of them would kick up on the plane if they tried to put them on the next plane back?
That f**ker just needs bullet in the head.
Not before the ones who wouldn't let him be deported had spent a night alone with him and his mates! Imbeciles.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
If they have come in on a plane it generally is a return flight? If the yanks do it why can't the Irish do it? Still doesn't answer why they even get on those dangerous boats when they talk about spending thousands of pounds to get here.. Fly and claim asylum
Not necessarily. Let's remember, a lot of these people wont have booked the flights, they will have given money to a facilitator. They may not remember, or know, which airports they have passed through enroute to get here, so where do we return them to? This isn't a refusal of leave to enter you are talking about where you can return them on the next available flight, it's asylum. It is a different ball game.
Can the Yanks actually do it? Are there circumstances in which they can do it and cannot do it?
You just send them back to the airport that they came from? They facilitated it they can deal with it..
Again if I turn up at JFK with no documentations and claim asylum will they allow me to stay or send me back to Shannon airport?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
If they have come in on a plane it generally is a return flight? If the yanks do it why can't the Irish do it? Still doesn't answer why they even get on those dangerous boats when they talk about spending thousands of pounds to get here.. Fly and claim asylum
Not necessarily. Let's remember, a lot of these people wont have booked the flights, they will have given money to a facilitator. They may not remember, or know, which airports they have passed through enroute to get here, so where do we return them to? This isn't a refusal of leave to enter you are talking about where you can return them on the next available flight, it's asylum. It is a different ball game.
Can the Yanks actually do it? Are there circumstances in which they can do it and cannot do it?
You just send them back to the airport that they came from? They facilitated it they can deal with it..
Again if I turn up at JFK with no documentations and claim asylum will they allow me to stay or send me back to Shannon airport?
What part of this are you not getting? If you turn up undocumented and claim asylum your asylum claim will be dealt with before you are sent back. If your claim is unsuccessful that is
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
If they have come in on a plane it generally is a return flight? If the yanks do it why can't the Irish do it? Still doesn't answer why they even get on those dangerous boats when they talk about spending thousands of pounds to get here.. Fly and claim asylum
Not necessarily. Let's remember, a lot of these people wont have booked the flights, they will have given money to a facilitator. They may not remember, or know, which airports they have passed through enroute to get here, so where do we return them to? This isn't a refusal of leave to enter you are talking about where you can return them on the next available flight, it's asylum. It is a different ball game.
Can the Yanks actually do it? Are there circumstances in which they can do it and cannot do it?
You just send them back to the airport that they came from? They facilitated it they can deal with it..
Again if I turn up at JFK with no documentations and claim asylum will they allow me to stay or send me back to Shannon airport?
There's a good chance you'd end up in Rikers or some Federal Holding facility that would be 59 times worse than where you came from
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 25, 2023, 12:27:56 PM
Just put them back on the plane and be done with it.. If it was that easy, why are people spending thousands of pounds to get to England and now Ireland by dinghy when you just have to get on a plane? Seems a bit daft?
You can't just put them back on the plane and be done with it. If we could it would be a lot easier. Though you still would have the problems of getting the aircraft to take them etc
If they have come in on a plane it generally is a return flight? If the yanks do it why can't the Irish do it? Still doesn't answer why they even get on those dangerous boats when they talk about spending thousands of pounds to get here.. Fly and claim asylum
Not necessarily. Let's remember, a lot of these people wont have booked the flights, they will have given money to a facilitator. They may not remember, or know, which airports they have passed through enroute to get here, so where do we return them to? This isn't a refusal of leave to enter you are talking about where you can return them on the next available flight, it's asylum. It is a different ball game.
Can the Yanks actually do it? Are there circumstances in which they can do it and cannot do it?
You just send them back to the airport that they came from? They facilitated it they can deal with it..
Again if I turn up at JFK with no documentations and claim asylum will they allow me to stay or send me back to Shannon airport?
why would millions cross the southern border on foot illegally if they could just show up at an American airport and say they have no passport and seek asylum , my guess is they wouldn't make it out of the passport control and if they did it would be to a federal detention center for a spell which would probably turn them off the airport for a while .people who approach things this way are usually trying to hide something.
Any where we could deport this lovely chap to...
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/far-right-agitator-graham-carey-arrested-ahead-of-anti-refugee-protest-42322826.html
Quote from: Rossfan on February 01, 2023, 01:13:19 PM
Any where we could deport this lovely chap to...
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/far-right-agitator-graham-carey-arrested-ahead-of-anti-refugee-protest-42322826.html
He seems very articulate, I take it he attended Trinity? Probably good buddies with wee Jamie up here.