Hurling championship 2018

Started by seafoid, April 25, 2018, 07:46:37 PM

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clonadmad

Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place

clonadmad

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.
Definitely
And the injury list the Deise had.
Derek should have used a dummy team all through the league

Played a dummy team all through the league?

What difference would that have made when the injuries struck during the actual Munster championship itself,particularly during the Clare game.

seafoid

Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

johnnycool

Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 07:58:42 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.
Definitely
And the injury list the Deise had.
Derek should have used a dummy team all through the league
I think there is an all Ireland in that team. Maybe a new manager can get it out of them.

Waterford have an attack second to none if they were let at it so if anyone is going to take over from McGrath can keep the organisational control that McGrath had (Waterford hurlers can be a real wild bunch historically) but get more numbers up the field they'll not fear too many.

Limerick did something yesterday which Duignan correctly pointed out handed the game to Clare.
Coming out for the second half with a wind at their backs only 4 points down they take off Graeme Mulcahy from corner forward and bring on Richie McCarty to fullback to cope with John Conlon, crazy stuff IMO.

Clare were unfortunate to get a man incorrectly sent off as well but with Condon out of the defence left space for the Clare forwards to run onto ball. Limerick by allowing Clare the spare man in defence gave Clare a platform to work the ball up the field and pick out their forwards negating to an extent the spare man who was Mike Casey not having much impact on the ball.
Something for Limerick management to learn in the future as I think they've a few more kicks in them this summer.

Clare are beginning to click and as pointed out were well served by having their break in the middle, ie two games, break and then another two games, Waterford and Tipp had four on the bounce and that took its toll near the end like with Wexford who also run out of steam vrs Kilkenny.
Conlon is a beast for one man and takes some watching as Limerick can attest to yesterday even if they did overdo it, he was panicking them sufficiently to try mad things. Kelly is heavily accused of lacking the effort to match his skills but that wasn't the case yesterday and he'd the last word in the duel with Lynch who has fantastically fast hands in a ruck and a great hurler in the making.
They're a better team than the one that got beat by Cork in the opening day and maybe the confidence is beginning to flow, but I think it's a fragile confidence and Cork might still get the better of them in the next outing.

clonadmad

Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?

seafoid

Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

AZOffaly

Clare looked good yesterday, but I felt Limerick did a Limerick as well.

If Jake Morris' shot had gone in, instead of hitting the post and Clare scoring a goal from the same rebound, would Clare have been out?

johnnycool

Quote from: AZOffaly on June 18, 2018, 12:46:52 PM
Clare looked good yesterday, but I felt Limerick did a Limerick as well.

If Jake Morris' shot had gone in, instead of hitting the post and Clare scoring a goal from the same rebound, would Clare have been out?

Maybe as they'd have been going into this weekend on 2 and a win over Limerick would have had them on 4, the same as Tipp but with head to heads being used on a two way split Clare would have been out, BUT if Cork had of lost yesterday that would have been three teams on two points and scoring difference would have been used and Tipp would have been toast.

Nip and tuck.


clonadmad

Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

imtommygunn

Huge amount of pride involved. No way would they have wanted to bow out with a whimper.

I would also say Cork could beat Clare - still unconvinced they are strong mentally.

johnnycool

Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?

clonadmad

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Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?

If the 4 steps rule was strictly enforced,a lot of goals would be disallowed.

DJ the finest exponent of the 10 step goal

The standard of officiating has been bang to average in Munster,to say the least

David Reidy yesterday

The Tipp non goal v Waterford

Austin Gleeson ripping the helmet off Bonner Maher

Are 3 other obvious ones that spring to mind

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

johnnycool

Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.

manfromdelmonte

Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 04:43:33 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on June 18, 2018, 04:26:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on June 18, 2018, 03:08:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 10:59:13 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 18, 2018, 10:05:00 AM
Quote from: clonadmad on June 18, 2018, 09:49:28 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2018, 09:06:49 PM
The non goal Tipp got v the Déise defined the Munster ranking.

How would it?.

Even if they had won,they still wouldn't have made 3rd place
They would have had 3 points going into yesterday and an incentive to win

Are you really suggesting they didn't try yesterday,when on all evidence the opposite was the case?
The "goal" was kick in the nuts to them.
If they had a chance to qualify they would have been different.
The year after an all Ireland appearance can often be poor but the round robin changes the dynamic changes somewhat imo.
As it is this is a year to write off for them
They will be back

Are you seriously suggesting they didn't give 100% yesterday

I was at the game and Cork were under huge pressure bar the last 2 minutes of injury time.

Home advantage and the amount of games you have to play in a row have a huge bearing on results in Munster,which is hugely competitive.

How did Harnedy get away with the steps for the goal?

Can referee's not count to four?
Waterford player slapped him with the hurley across the grip as far as I could see

Free in or play the advantage. Once the ball has been fouled the advantage is over and come back for the original free.

Advantage doesn't mean you can run all day with the ball in your hand.
Advantage acrues
So if he was slapped by the hurley there was an advantage for that