Does anybody care?
Cardiff City v Fulham
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Hull v Swansea
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You cared enough to open a thread
Quote from: thewobbler on January 08, 2017, 09:07:38 PM
You cared enough to open a thread
Yeah, I'm old Skool! When the FA Cup final day took up your full day on a Saturday morning! Cameras on the team bus going to Wembley! B rated Pop stars writing songs about their teams getting to the Final and performing on TOTP. The Premiership, the Champions League have all but put paid to this romance. The third place play-off for promotion to the Premiership is a bigger game now a days.
What the FA Cup romantics don't seem to understand is that the magic of the FA CUp is that it was televised.
For anyone under 35, i.e. people who've had SKY coverage of the EPL since they're old enough to remember, the FA Cup is only a distraction.
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.
The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 08, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.
Nope. When TV money for the PL became absolutely ridiculous was when it died. Dozens of teams that were capable of winning the cup became fixated with staying in the PL or gaining promotion to it, rendering the cup worthless.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.
27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..
Quote from: Boycey on January 08, 2017, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.
27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..
The top 6 are the only teams who can play reserve teams and still good enough to go far in the cup. Lower teams don't have that luxury, and go out early.
When you see Bournemouth putting out reserves what's the point. Won't win league and won't get relegated and still won't try to win a cup.
Quote from: Boycey on January 08, 2017, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.
27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..
But its going the same way as the league cup. Play the reserves and if you get through, great, you can take a serious interest if you make the semis (or meet a rival). If you don't get through, no one cares. Its just that one of the top teams always does seem to sleepwalk their way through the early-mid rounds.
What is the make-up of the semis in recent years? Have those featured a lot of the top six teams?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 08, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 08, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.
Nope. When TV money for the PL became absolutely ridiculous was when it died. Dozens of teams that were capable of winning the cup became fixated with staying in the PL or gaining promotion to it, rendering the cup worthless.
The FA own the PL so they killed the FA Cup
Quote from: J70 on January 08, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 08, 2017, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: Tony Baloney on January 08, 2017, 10:00:27 PM
The teams in the higher echelons of the league don't give a shit about it so the punters are hardly going to shell out to see 2 reserve teams play. If the winner went into the qualifying stage of the CL you might see more interest.
27 of the last 30 finals have been won by teams currently in the top six I'd say the top teams are interested enough..
But its going the same way as the league cup. Play the reserves and if you get through, great, you can take a serious interest if you make the semis (or meet a rival). If you don't get through, no one cares. Its just that one of the top teams always does seem to sleepwalk their way through the early-mid rounds.
What is the make-up of the semis in recent years? Have those featured a lot of the top six teams?
That's what I meant but expressed more effectively :D.
FA Cup has always been an anomaly.Great managers like Clough and Paisley never won it.Second division teams like Sunderland and Southampton won it against the odds in the 1970s.The fact that up to the 90s only Spurs and Arsenal managed to do the double in the 20th Century shows how difficult it was for teams with good league records to sustain a cup run,even more so nowadays when they might have Champions League to contend with as well.
Romance in the old days was largely due to it being the only televised club game live all year.
Quote from: seafoid on January 08, 2017, 11:25:35 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 08, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 08, 2017, 10:11:42 PM
The day Utd withdrew from it was the day it died.
Nope. When TV money for the PL became absolutely ridiculous was when it died. Dozens of teams that were capable of winning the cup became fixated with staying in the PL or gaining promotion to it, rendering the cup worthless.
The FA own the PL so they killed the FA Cup
The GAA own the AI championships, so they killed the provincial championships.
But there's more money involved in the PL. More coverage, more games. Sure it's even got to the stage where teams aren't taking Europe seriously as the PL is more important to them.
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2017, 12:06:19 AM
FA Cup has always been an anomaly.Great managers like Clough and Paisley never won it.Second division teams like Sunderland and Southampton won it against the odds in the 1970s.The fact that up to the 90s only Spurs and Arsenal managed to do the double in the 20th Century shows how difficult it was for teams with good league records to sustain a cup run,even more so nowadays when they might have Champions League to contend with as well.
Romance in the old days was largely due to it being the only televised club game live all year.
Eh....Liverpool 1986....
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2017, 12:06:19 AM
FA Cup has always been an anomaly.Great managers like Clough and Paisley never won it.Second division teams like Sunderland and Southampton won it against the odds in the 1970s.The fact that up to the 90s only Spurs and Arsenal managed to do the double in the 20th Century shows how difficult it was for teams with good league records to sustain a cup run,even more so nowadays when they might have Champions League to contend with as well.
Romance in the old days was largely due to it being the only televised club game live all year.
Well, Liverpool won the double in '86 (and should have won two more in the late 80s) but your point is taken.
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2017, 12:14:17 AM
Quote from: T Fearon on January 09, 2017, 12:06:19 AM
FA Cup has always been an anomaly.Great managers like Clough and Paisley never won it.Second division teams like Sunderland and Southampton won it against the odds in the 1970s.The fact that up to the 90s only Spurs and Arsenal managed to do the double in the 20th Century shows how difficult it was for teams with good league records to sustain a cup run,even more so nowadays when they might have Champions League to contend with as well.
Romance in the old days was largely due to it being the only televised club game live all year.
Well, Liverpool won the double in '86 (and should have won two more in the late 80s) but your point is taken.
To be fair it was like someone hacked Tony's account it was such a reasonable post.
I can tell you United and their supporters were glad to win this trophy last season. The withdrawal in 2000 was instructed by FIFA/FA and is overstated as a reason for the demise of the competition.
The rest of your reasons are bang on. Penalty shoot outs being introduced was awful.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 09, 2017, 02:08:57 PM
I can tell you United and their supporters were glad to win this trophy last season. The withdrawal in 2000 was instructed by FIFA/FA and is overstated as a reason for the demise of the competition.
The rest of your reasons are bang on. Penalty shoot outs being introduced was awful.
I'd forgotten United had won it last year. Thought Arsenal had taken last two, when of course it was the pair before that!
I agree with Rufus. I've little interest in it. If Liverpool were to go through and play a big side in the semi or final, or even get to the semi or final, I'd care and hope they'd win, but apart from possibly getting drawn against United, I don't really give a bollocks about it otherwise.
I'd think that once a team gets to a semi final then of course they'll want to win it. That's just human nature. I won a junior B championship last year (15 years after my previous one) and I celebrated it like an All Ireland win. But here I'd trade it and a lifetime of junior Bs for a single Down SFC, which is where the FA Cup has arrived at.
I do love the phrase the "magic of the cup".
The media hype that created this "magic" fed the monster that became SKY and brought us such tripe as "Red Monday".
Basically a bunch of middle-aged men talking about about how brilliant football is, until you start to doubt yourself if you don't believe them. And that's when the rest of the media join in.
The "magic" was always hype, always an illusion. It just happened to have a monopoly on such an experience for 40-odd years.
I love nostalgia like any child of the eighties should. But I'll not yearn for the d days of the Cup. It wasn't that good at all.
Quote from: magpie seanie on January 09, 2017, 02:08:57 PM
I can tell you United and their supporters were glad to win this trophy last season. The withdrawal in 2000 was instructed by FIFA/FA and is overstated as a reason for the demise of the competition.
Yes, fair enough. Maybe more a visible sign as to how the competition had fallen in status.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 09, 2017, 02:18:59 PM
The "magic" was always hype, always an illusion. It just happened to have a monopoly on such an experience for 40-odd years. I love nostalgia like any child of the eighties should. But I'll not yearn for the d days of the Cup. It wasn't that good at all.
I'd be the first to say how much I cringe nowadays at the phrase 'the magic of the cup'. There was a huge amount made of Plymouth's draw yesterday against a Liverpool second team who were largely disinterested.
We'll agree to disagree though on your point above - for me the FA Cup was once a great competition, and the magic was there as evidenced by the exploits of Ronnie Radford, Bobby Stokes, Jim Montgomery, the 'Leatherhead Lip' and Clive Walker's tour-de-force against the great Liverpool team of the late seventies at Stamford Bridge. There are many others.
I like the 3rd round of the Cup MOTD and always have - reflecting on why I do so leads me to thinking that it was really a sort of round-up of where the lower leagues were at in terms of competitiveness. This is probably agreeing with what Rufus, wobbler, J70 and Seanie are saying; we're now barraged with football to the extent that we'd never seriously consider looking at League-1, League-2 or LOI matches on the telly, much less getting off our arses to go see local league football (in the flesh), which is sad. It's no wonder, I suppose, that LOI is at such a low ebb.
I used to go watch Finn Harps quite a bit in the late 90s/early 2000s, and part of the problem was the simple quality of the football. Harps were going well for a few of those years, competitive in the LOI premier division, and leaving an FAI Cup behind them when they'd twice had it won against Bray. They'd relatively good crowds and the football was decent, with wins over the big Dublin clubs (sadly never Derry City! :P) occurring regularly and feeding the interest. But forward a few seasons and the financial issues that hit them, they lost players, dropped down to and eventually got stuck in the first division, and the quality of the football declined dramatically. People stopped coming, the football was terrible and the place was lifeless. You have to have a decent product to draw people in, especially with competition from tv and a (recently) very good senior county team across the street to spend money on.
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 09, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
I like the 3rd round of the Cup MOTD and always have - reflecting on why I do so leads me to thinking that it was really a sort of round-up of where the lower leagues were at in terms of competitiveness. This is probably agreeing with what Rufus, wobbler, J70 and Seanie are saying; we're now barraged with football to the extent that we'd never seriously consider looking at League-1, League-2 or LOI matches on the telly, much less getting off our arses to go see local league football (in the flesh), which is sad. It's no wonder, I suppose, that LOI is at such a low ebb.
People are bombarded with football these days. I can't even be arsed watching my own team most of the time, and I'm paying for it. My team scores or wins, and it barely registered anymore. I couldn't care less if I tried. Football is unrecognisable to even around the start of the PL. Unrecognisable, unpronounceable players from far flung places earning vast sums. No wonder the Irish and British teams struggle internationally.
Also wonder if the foreign managers in charge at top EPL clubs don't really have a high regard for the cup.Domestic Cup competitions where never treated too seriously on the continent at any stage.
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2017, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 09, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
I like the 3rd round of the Cup MOTD and always have - reflecting on why I do so leads me to thinking that it was really a sort of round-up of where the lower leagues were at in terms of competitiveness. This is probably agreeing with what Rufus, wobbler, J70 and Seanie are saying; we're now barraged with football to the extent that we'd never seriously consider looking at League-1, League-2 or LOI matches on the telly, much less getting off our arses to go see local league football (in the flesh), which is sad. It's no wonder, I suppose, that LOI is at such a low ebb.
People are bombarded with football these days. I can't even be arsed watching my own team most of the time, and I'm paying for it. My team scores or wins, and it barely registered anymore. I couldn't care less if I tried. Football is unrecognisable to even around the start of the PL. Unrecognisable, unpronounceable players from far flung places earning vast sums. No wonder the Irish and British teams struggle internationally.
Surely the widening of the player base is raising the standard of the European leagues though?
The English league used to pretty much only feature the best of the British Isles, with the odd European player here and there. Arnold Muhren and Frans Thissjen were notable for being foreigners 35 years ago, and they only crossed from Holland! Ardiles and Villa very highly exotic recruits for Spurs. But they were not the norm. Even Liverpool, with Grobbelaar and Johnston well established foreign players (albeit from former colonies), still went domestic when they recruited their star team in the late 80s. Bergkampf and Klinsmann really started the flood into the Premier League in the mid-90s (Cantona was already there, but he came into the league as a last chance outcast).
So has the standard of British Isle player dropped in the last 20 years, or has the standard of the league into which they're trying to break risen?
(Not saying its a simple question BTW!)
Fourth Round Draw Games 27-30 January:
Tottenham v Wycombe
Derby v Leicester
Oxford v Newcastle or Birmingham
Sutton or AFC Wimbledon v Leeds
Plymouth or Liverpool v Wolves
Southampton or Norwich v Arsenal
Lincoln or Ipswich v Brighton
Chelsea v Brentford
Manchester United v Wigan
Millwall v Watford
Rochdale v Huddersfield
Burnley or Sunderland v Fleetwood or Bristol City
Blackburn v Barnsley or Blackpool
Fulham v Hull
Middlesbrough v Accrington Stanley
Crystal Palace or Bolton v Manchester City
Look pretty boring to be honest.
Can't beat a bit of Accrington Stanley in the cup.
Who are they?
Liverpool will have to put out a better team v Wolves, probably the biggest tie or City v Palace
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 09, 2017, 08:36:33 PM
Liverpool will have to put out a better team v Wolves, probably the biggest tie or City v Palace
Let's wait and see if the kids/back-ups scrape through the replay!
All 3rd round replays done giving the full Fourth Round Draw below. Southampton/Arsenal the pick of them
Games 27-30 January:
Tottenham v Wycombe
Derby v Leicester on Friday night
Oxford v Newcastle
Sutton v Leeds on Sunday
Liverpool v Wolves
Southampton v Arsenal
Lincoln v Brighton
Chelsea v Brentford
Manchester United v Wigan on Sunday
Millwall v Watford on Sunday
Rochdale v Huddersfield
Burnley v Bristol City
Blackburn v Blackpool
Fulham v Hull on Sunday
Middlesbrough v Accrington Stanley
Crystal Palace v Manchester City
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2017, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2017, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 09, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
I like the 3rd round of the Cup MOTD and always have - reflecting on why I do so leads me to thinking that it was really a sort of round-up of where the lower leagues were at in terms of competitiveness. This is probably agreeing with what Rufus, wobbler, J70 and Seanie are saying; we're now barraged with football to the extent that we'd never seriously consider looking at League-1, League-2 or LOI matches on the telly, much less getting off our arses to go see local league football (in the flesh), which is sad. It's no wonder, I suppose, that LOI is at such a low ebb.
People are bombarded with football these days. I can't even be arsed watching my own team most of the time, and I'm paying for it. My team scores or wins, and it barely registered anymore. I couldn't care less if I tried. Football is unrecognisable to even around the start of the PL. Unrecognisable, unpronounceable players from far flung places earning vast sums. No wonder the Irish and British teams struggle internationally.
Surely the widening of the player base is raising the standard of the European leagues though?
The English league used to pretty much only feature the best of the British Isles, with the odd European player here and there. Arnold Muhren and Frans Thissjen were notable for being foreigners 35 years ago, and they only crossed from Holland! Ardiles and Villa very highly exotic recruits for Spurs. But they were not the norm. Even Liverpool, with Grobbelaar and Johnston well established foreign players (albeit from former colonies), still went domestic when they recruited their star team in the late 80s. Bergkampf and Klinsmann really started the flood into the Premier League in the mid-90s (Cantona was already there, but he came into the league as a last chance outcast).
So has the standard of British Isle player dropped in the last 20 years, or has the standard of the league into which they're trying to break risen?
(Not saying its a simple question BTW!)
The money in the game means the worst PL teams have more cash than the top Italian clubs. English clubs scour the world for players so local players get squeezed out. Standards are probably higher
Quote from: J70 on January 09, 2017, 05:57:49 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 09, 2017, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on January 09, 2017, 02:43:27 PM
I like the 3rd round of the Cup MOTD and always have - reflecting on why I do so leads me to thinking that it was really a sort of round-up of where the lower leagues were at in terms of competitiveness. This is probably agreeing with what Rufus, wobbler, J70 and Seanie are saying; we're now barraged with football to the extent that we'd never seriously consider looking at League-1, League-2 or LOI matches on the telly, much less getting off our arses to go see local league football (in the flesh), which is sad. It's no wonder, I suppose, that LOI is at such a low ebb.
People are bombarded with football these days. I can't even be arsed watching my own team most of the time, and I'm paying for it. My team scores or wins, and it barely registered anymore. I couldn't care less if I tried. Football is unrecognisable to even around the start of the PL. Unrecognisable, unpronounceable players from far flung places earning vast sums. No wonder the Irish and British teams struggle internationally.
Surely the widening of the player base is raising the standard of the European leagues though?
The English league used to pretty much only feature the best of the British Isles, with the odd European player here and there. Arnold Muhren and Frans Thissjen were notable for being foreigners 35 years ago, and they only crossed from Holland! Ardiles and Villa very highly exotic recruits for Spurs. But they were not the norm. Even Liverpool, with Grobbelaar and Johnston well established foreign players (albeit from former colonies), still went domestic when they recruited their star team in the late 80s. Bergkampf and Klinsmann really started the flood into the Premier League in the mid-90s (Cantona was already there, but he came into the league as a last chance outcast).
So has the standard of British Isle player dropped in the last 20 years, or has the standard of the league into which they're trying to break risen?
(Not saying its a simple question BTW!)
In 1985 Norman Whiteside (a top player with a top club) was earning £350 a week. Football (Soccer) was a local common mans game with players doing apprenticeships before they tuned professional and testimonials before they retired. Clubs had a mixture of local lads who had made the break through and lads bought in from English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh to make the club better/stronger. Top Division One teams (What the Premier League was then called) had no scouts outside the British Isles and Ireland. Players from Africa and South America just did not play in England. And were ignored. Many were ignored because of culture.
Of course it is harder for British Isles and Irish players to get opportunities to progress anymore. They are up against players from all over the world. In the 1993/94 season there were 33 foreign players in the premiership.
One of the last big swing of players to come through at a club was the class of '92 at United. A big part in these lads making the break through was their exposure to playing Champions League football early in their career, due to the foreign player rule that was around at the time. They got an opportunity many players would never get and they took full advantage of it.
Today, Managers don't last as long at clubs. Clubs want instant success. Managers have to have instant success to survive. Ready made players are bought in for quick fixes. Managers are no longer native either and look to their native land for players.
Darren Bent own goal!
https://youtu.be/ELRj6Jem7AE
Not as bad as our Djimi though I think.
https://youtu.be/bCxjcS7tsQs
Enjoyed Lincoln game this afternoon, took me back to when the cup was something special. Hope they get a really big draw now.
Southamptons attitude to it this evening is crazy, I've not heard of most of their players, mid table in Prem not gonna make top 6 not gonna be relegated, play a decent team for f**k sake.. 3 down after 30 mins against an understrength Arsenal..
They are getting spanked. Good to see wellbeck scoring on comeback as he has been out a long time.
Wycombe wore ONeills jerseys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJuBW1Ff7N0
Some team in the African Cups of Nations are/were too. I'm too lazy to google it
Quote from: Boycey on January 28, 2017, 06:16:19 PM
Enjoyed Lincoln game this afternoon, took me back to when the cup was something special. Hope they get a really big draw now.
Southamptons attitude to it this evening is crazy, I've not heard of most of their players, mid table in Prem not gonna make top 6 not gonna be relegated, play a decent team for f**k sake.. 3 down after 30 mins against an understrength Arsenal..
Arsenal at 11/10 for away win was the banker of the weekend. Southampton have their Wembley date booked and are happy with that. Lack of ambition. Mid table club, always was always will be
Going to stick fiver on Utd -2 .... that's them scudded
Big upset with Sutton utd beating leeds utd 1-0. 2 non league now in 5th round. They'll be looking to draw a chelsea or arsenal now, probably end up drawing each other.
Quote from: Avondhu star on January 29, 2017, 03:14:38 PM
Quote from: Boycey on January 28, 2017, 06:16:19 PM
Enjoyed Lincoln game this afternoon, took me back to when the cup was something special. Hope they get a really big draw now.
Southamptons attitude to it this evening is crazy, I've not heard of most of their players, mid table in Prem not gonna make top 6 not gonna be relegated, play a decent team for f**k sake.. 3 down after 30 mins against an understrength Arsenal..
Arsenal at 11/10 for away win was the banker of the weekend. Southampton have their Wembley date booked and are happy with that. Lack of ambition. Mid table club, always was always will be
Lack of ambition me hole, what a corny asinine assessment!
Southampton will be playing an important league game on Tuesday, 3rd game in 6 days.
Fifth Round Draw, games to be played 17-20 February
Burnley v Lincoln City
Fulham v Tottenham
Blackburn v Man Utd
Sutton v Arsenal
Middlesbrough v Oxford
Wolves v Chelsea
Huddersfield v Man City
Millwall v Derby or Leicester
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 30, 2017, 07:27:41 PM
Fifth Round Draw, games to be played 17-20 February
Burnley v Lincoln City
Fulham v Tottenham
Blackburn v Man Utd
Sutton v Arsenal
Middlesbrough v Oxford
Wolves v Chelsea
Huddersfield v Man City
Millwall v Derby or Leicester
some good ties in 5th round with all the bigger clubs away from home. brillant draw for sutton.
Barely a good tie in there!!
Quarter finals should be more interesting with likely all premier league teams Burnley,Tottenham,Manchester United ,Manchester City,Arsenal,Middlesbrough ,Chelsea and Leicester
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2017, 08:05:24 PM
Quarter finals should be more interesting with likely all premier league teams Burnley,Tottenham,Manchester United ,Manchester City,Arsenal,Middlesbrough ,Chelsea and Leicester
Useless fact of the day, it's 51 years since there were no all top flight games in the 5th round of the cup 8)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2017, 08:05:24 PM
Quarter finals should be more interesting with likely all premier league teams Burnley,Tottenham,Manchester United ,Manchester City,Arsenal,Middlesbrough ,Chelsea and Leicester
that for me would be less interesting, in the fa cup i'd rather watch a premiership club away at a lower ranked team than 2 premier league teams battle it out. you can see that every other day off the week.
Quote from: SHEEDY on January 30, 2017, 08:46:49 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 30, 2017, 08:05:24 PM
Quarter finals should be more interesting with likely all premier league teams Burnley,Tottenham,Manchester United ,Manchester City,Arsenal,Middlesbrough ,Chelsea and Leicester
that for me would be less interesting, in the fa cup i'd rather watch a premiership club away at a lower ranked team than 2 premier league teams battle it out. you can see that every other day off the week.
Absolutely
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2017, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 30, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
Barely a good tie in there!!
Plenty banana skins
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 30, 2017, 08:02:40 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 30, 2017, 07:50:25 PM
Barely a good tie in there!!
Plenty banana skins
turned out to be a very good day for the lower league clubs. Brillant wins for lincoln and millwall and a credible draw for huddersfield. Only chelsea got through with the minimum of fuss.
Leicester losing isn't much of a shock to be honest.
I don't comment on soccer threads, but im on a ferry and bored off me tits.
what is the craic with the phrase "Neither side don't want a draw". What the feck???
It's the commentators favourite catchphrase with FA Cup.
The replay between Manchester City and Huddersfield is provisionally set for Tuesday, 28 February at Etihad Stadium.
Quarter- Final ties on the weekend of the 10-13 March.
Chelsea v Manchester United
Middlesbrough v Huddersfield/Manchester City
Tottenham v Millwall
Sutton/Arsenal v Lincoln
Quote from: Ball Hopper on February 19, 2017, 09:43:01 PM
The replay between Manchester City and Huddersfield is provisionally set for Tuesday, 28 February at Etihad Stadium.
Quarter- Final ties on the weekend of the 10-13 March.
Chelsea v Manchester United
Middlesbrough v Huddersfield/Manchester City
Tottenham v Millwall
Sutton/Arsenal v Lincoln
even after a few shocks the semi finalists will probably still end up being chelsea/man utd, spurs, arsenal and man city.
Ah well at least the Man United fans won't have very far to travel to get home.
Anyone know why Pogba wasn't playing tonight? Only the 3rd time I've seen United play live this season so wouldn't know much about them.
Pretty strong line up for the semi finals.
Semi Final Draw:
Arsenal v Man City
Chelsea v Spurs
The matches will be played over the weekend of April 22-23, with the final on Saturday, May 27
Most Semi Final appearances:
Arsenal 29
Man Utd 28
Everton 26
Liverpool 24
Chelsea 22
Aston Villa 21
West Brom 20
Spurs 20
Quote from: laoislad on March 13, 2017, 09:40:00 PM
Ah well at least the Man United fans won't have very far to travel to get home.
Anyone know why Pogba wasn't playing tonight? Only the 3rd time I've seen United play live this season so wouldn't know much about them.
Pretty strong line up for the semi finals.
An Irish fan of a foreign soccer team there.
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 13, 2017, 09:59:47 PM
Most Semi Final appearances:
Arsenal 29
Man Utd 28
Everton 26
Liverpool 24
Chelsea 22
Aston Villa 21
West Brom 20
Spurs 20
Spurs have lost 6 FA Cup semi finals in a row apparently.
Hope it's an Arsenal Spurs final myself.
Chelsea fans singing "you're not special anymore " and " it's all your fault " to Mourinho. Dontcha love it? What a circus.
Does it come as a surprise to you that many people who attend soccer matches are idiots? There's plenty at Liverpool games too for example.
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Yep looks bad alright but I would suspect 3 games. Ming's was to the head so warranted the extra 2 games.
Rojo will get a 3 game ban, you'd have to be a bit simple to think thats worse than what Mings did.
Quote from: GJL on March 14, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Yep looks bad alright but I would suspect 3 games. Ming's was to the head so warranted the extra 2 games.
The extra 2 games comes from having his appeal turned down no? If he had accepted the three games that would have been it.
Quote from: GJL on March 14, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Yep looks bad alright but I would suspect 3 games. Ming's was to the head so warranted the extra 2 games.
Rojo was deliberately trying to stamp on him. Mings may or may not have been intentional. I believe it wasn't intentional.
Fair play to Hazard though for not retaliating with an elbow to Rojo's jaw.
Quote from: NAG1 on March 14, 2017, 12:36:02 PM
Quote from: GJL on March 14, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Yep looks bad alright but I would suspect 3 games. Ming's was to the head so warranted the extra 2 games.
He got the extra 2 games because of the severity of intentionally stamping on someone's head.
The extra 2 games comes from having his appeal turned down no? If he had accepted the three games that would have been it.
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Quote from: GJL on March 14, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Yep looks bad alright but I would suspect 3 games. Ming's was to the head so warranted the extra 2 games.
Rojo was deliberately trying to stamp on him. Mings may or may not have been intentional. I believe it wasn't intentional.
Fair play to Hazard though for not retaliating with an elbow to Rojo's jaw.
Doesn't have the balls to stand up for himself.
Hitting someone for fouling you isn't standing up for yourself. In fact it's often an act of cowardice.
It takes more courage to go out and play like Hazard does despite knowing he's going to get kicked for 90 minutes than it does to lash out when fouled.
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Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 13, 2017, 09:59:47 PM
Most Semi Final appearances:
Arsenal 29
Man Utd 28
Everton 26
Liverpool 24
Chelsea 22
Aston Villa 21
West Brom 20
Spurs 20
Spurs have lost 6 FA Cup semi finals in a row apparently.
Hope it's an Arsenal Spurs final myself.
From memory 93, 95, 99, 01, 10 and 12 I think, it's been a bad run considering Spurs had the most cup wins of all teams after winning the 1991 final.
Quote from: seafoid on March 14, 2017, 07:59:32 AM
Chelsea fans singing "you're not special anymore " and " it's all your fault " to Mourinho. Dontcha love it? What a circus.
In fairness now, Mourinho's been at Chelsea all season - He's designed it to get that reaction, part of Jose's tricks and party pieces.
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: GJL on March 14, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Yep looks bad alright but I would suspect 3 games. Ming's was to the head so warranted the extra 2 games.
Rojo was deliberately trying to stamp on him. Mings may or may not have been intentional. I believe it wasn't intentional.
Fair play to Hazard though for not retaliating with an elbow to Rojo's jaw.
Seems we were both wrong! Ah well. 😂😂
Quote from: GJL on March 14, 2017, 06:31:06 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 12:45:29 PM
Quote from: GJL on March 14, 2017, 12:20:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 09:12:28 AM
Five game ban for Rojo after this stamp last night?
https://mobile.twitter.com/noizeuk/status/841408125110505472
Looks more deliberate than Mings imo.
Yep looks bad alright but I would suspect 3 games. Ming's was to the head so warranted the extra 2 games.
Rojo was deliberately trying to stamp on him. Mings may or may not have been intentional. I believe it wasn't intentional.
Fair play to Hazard though for not retaliating with an elbow to Rojo's jaw.
Seems we were both wrong! Ah well. 😂😂
I wasn't wrong. It was still an intentional stamp.
Not surprised by the FA,a bunch of Muppets who aren't very consistent with these things.
Chelsea in front at half time even tough they left Hazard and Costa on the bench today with Tuesdays League game at home against Southampton seen as more important than FA cup semi final.
Quote from: laoislad on March 14, 2017, 07:08:27 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on March 13, 2017, 09:59:47 PM
Most Semi Final appearances:
Arsenal 29
Man Utd 28
Everton 26
Liverpool 24
Chelsea 22
Aston Villa 21
West Brom 20
Spurs 20
Spurs have lost 6 FA Cup semi finals in a row apparently.
Hope it's an Arsenal Spurs final myself.
7 in a row now. Useless cnuts. Not able for the big stage is Spurs.
That's a silly comment. An irrelevant domestic trophy is hardly the big stage. Spurs are second in the League and were playing the probable Champions.
Suck on those lemons, #WengerOut'ers.
The board should announce the new contract in the morning and finish off those Arsenal Fan TV fookers.
Great result for Arsenal against the odds but it must be said they rode their luck in normal time to then win in extra time. Would be good to see Wenger leave on a high with another Trophy won. A rare season that Guardiola will finish trophyless what will the oil rich owners make of that?
Two excellent semi finals FA cup alive and well. Big effort put in by the four top 6 Premier league sides which makes it far from a irrelevant domestic trophy as The Mule is trying to suggest.
Arsenal ahead with a controversial goal.
For once a decent fa cup final.
Good half for Arsenal however they might rue those missed chances yet.
Sanchez is some footballer. His vision and passing are phenomenal.
Suprisingly, good game.
Diver got his comeuppance.
10 man Chelsea level. Arsenal back in front again!
Entertainment value today.
Go on my son.
Really embarassing way to get sent off. Nice goal by ramsey. Hopefully they can hold on.
Enjoyable FA Cup final, the best team on the day won.
A very good game to watch, Arsenal should have won that a lot more comfortably.
Chelsea don't look such a great side when teams match them up, thats the 3rd time this season they've been very poor when a team has gone with 3 at the back.
On another note the praise Kante receive needs to be toned down, he's a very good player but he is limited on the ball.
The three worked, mostly, in england. It'll be very interesting to see how, or if, conte adapts tactics in europe.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 28, 2017, 10:30:17 AM
The three worked, mostly, in england. It'll be very interesting to see how, or if, conte adapts tactics in europe.
Wouldn't be surprised to see him change formation next season, Chelsea were appalling when United, Spurs & Arsenal matched them up. He's got the players to be able to change so wouldn't be a huge issues but the 3 at the back has served him very well up to now.
I think one of the biggest issues in the 3, when it didn't work anyway, is moses as he can really be got at so maybe even replacing him would make it work better.
It will be interesting in europe to see how the likes of kante and hazard look. Not sure who their striker will be next year either.
City to win 3-1 Sterling score anytime
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
If City win does that mean it would be a Liverpool v City Charity Shield or would it be City v Watford?
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
Missed sitter. They may only get another chance like that
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2019, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
Missed sitter. They may only get another chance like that
Ederson to be fair read the situation well and is one of the best keepers to save with his feet. Why wasn't the Watford penalty appeal even looked at by VAR?
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
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Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
Missed sitter. They may only get another chance like that
Ederson to be fair read the situation well and is one of the best keepers to save with his feet. Why wasn't the Watford penalty appeal even looked at by VAR?
It was, they said on commentary
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2019, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
Missed sitter. They may only get another chance like that
Ederson to be fair read the situation well and is one of the best keepers to save with his feet. Why wasn't the Watford penalty appeal even looked at by VAR?
They said it was looked at. I'm more worried who was awarded the goal, Sterling or Jesus?
Quote from: maldini on May 18, 2019, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2019, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
Missed sitter. They may only get another chance like that
Ederson to be fair read the situation well and is one of the best keepers to save with his feet. Why wasn't the Watford penalty appeal even looked at by VAR?
It was, they said on commentary
Ok fair enough, i muted the commentary as soon as i heard Robbie Savage.
Still fancy Watford! this game is far from over!
The money in the Premier League killed the FA cup final. It is as bad as the Leinster football final.
City are some team, can't believe that's the first domestic treble.
The only thing driving them next year should be CL
£1,800,000 Prize money for the winners - Will go a long was towards hiding potential breaches of Financial Fair Play. :P
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: maldini on May 18, 2019, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2019, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
Missed sitter. They may only get another chance like that
Ederson to be fair read the situation well and is one of the best keepers to save with his feet. Why wasn't the Watford penalty appeal even looked at by VAR?
It was, they said on commentary
Ok fair enough, i muted the commentary as soon as i heard Robbie Savage.
Why not turn it to BBC1?
Quote from: seafoid on May 18, 2019, 06:27:17 PM
The money in the Premier League killed the FA cup final. It is as bad as the Leinster football final.
Mthe best teams generally win the FA Cup, the best teams generally have the most money, unless there is a cap on wages and signings they will continue
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2019, 06:29:38 PM
City are some team, can't believe that's the first domestic treble.
The only thing driving them next year should be CL
If they're in it!
Fair dues to Watford! They never gave up!
Biggest Fa Cup win since 1903 Bury 6–0 Derby County. A Pity Wolves didn't make the final, I don't think they have folded as easily as Watford did this evening.
Quote from: Jim Bob on May 18, 2019, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 06:13:46 PM
Quote from: maldini on May 18, 2019, 06:02:24 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 18, 2019, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 18, 2019, 05:35:11 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 18, 2019, 05:27:54 PM
Dammit this game needed an early Watford goal.
Missed sitter. They may only get another chance like that
Ederson to be fair read the situation well and is one of the best keepers to save with his feet. Why wasn't the Watford penalty appeal even looked at by VAR?
It was, they said on commentary
Ok fair enough, i muted the commentary as soon as i heard Robbie Savage.
Why not turn it to BBC1?
Switched over for the second half. Some impact De Bruyne made in that 2nd half, they will only be better next season if they can keep him fit.
Perreras missed chance might have made the game more entertaining but there was only ever going to be one winner.
City fans becoming as obbsessed with Liverpool as their noisy neighbours are.
https://t.co/mz2mm8J27n
Liverpool had no heed on the FA Cup this year! Liverpool just don't have the squad to compete outside the Premier League and theChampions League. So todays result did not mean anything, it was a Cup we looked on as a fixtures hindrance.
You cares what an isolated drunk Man City fan thinks about coverage of Liverpool this season. They have a trophy cabinet with the Premier League and the two add on Domestic Cups! That's all the history books will remember.
You would think Guardiola would wear a tie and shave for such a big day.
Quote from: laoislad on May 18, 2019, 09:08:02 PM
City fans becoming as obbsessed with Liverpool as their noisy neighbours are.
https://t.co/mz2mm8J27n
Why would anyone be obsessed with a team who haven't won the league in 30 years?
Quote from: armaghniac on May 18, 2019, 10:32:28 PM
You would think Guardiola would wear a tie and shave for such a big day.
At least there was no sign of the cardigan...
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 18, 2019, 10:32:28 PM
You would think Guardiola would wear a tie and shave for such a big day.
At least there was no sign of the cardigan...
It can be yours for what I'm sure will be a nominal fee . . .
https://www.mancity.com/news/first-team/picture-special/2019/may/man-city-pep-guardiola-cardigan-auction