With a league win that has already gone down in the annals of Armagh football, a definite Christmas DVD top seller and ideal stocking filler for all the young orchard fans
But what of the following
Ticket arrangements - surely a sell out predicted here, tickets via clubs only or expect online availability?
Coverage - anything to be said for a petition to have Jimmy Smyth on comms?
Geezer - is this Kieran McGeeney's last stand, lose and perhaps he passes the baton on?
I assume Brian Kennedy is suspended for this one?
This is the one we wanted.
Will certainly focus the minds.
Would expect us to be favourites for this - after the early season surge Armagh have shown they are a top 8 team at best.
Tyrone by 5
Quote from: tiempo on May 23, 2022, 09:41:28 AM
With a league win that has already gone down in the annals of Armagh football, a definite Christmas DVD top seller and ideal stocking filler for all the young orchard fans
But what of the following
Ticket arrangements - surely a sell out predicted here, tickets via clubs only or expect online availability?
Coverage - anything to be said for a petition to have Jimmy Smyth on comms?
Geezer - is this Kieran McGeeney's last stand, lose and perhaps he passes the baton on?
Plus what's the chances of a couple of Hulk Hogan type throws and a few red cards?
It's probably the game both counties needed. Another run through the qualifiers beating weaker sides only to stumble at the first decent opposition would have proved nothing for Armagh. Tyrone meanwhile looked to have clocked out this season between indiscipline, players walking out and others just lacking in motivation for various reasons. This game should awaken them for their slumber. For the losers it could be a long winter but for the winners it could kickstart their season. Should be some atmosphere in Armagh for this match.
Quote from: tiempo on May 23, 2022, 09:41:28 AM
Ticket arrangements - surely a sell out predicted here, tickets via clubs only or expect online availability?
The league game was a full house, this one will be too. Glad that I got a season ticket!
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2022, 10:14:16 AM
It's probably the game both counties needed. Another run through the qualifiers beating weaker sides only to stumble at the first decent opposition would have proved nothing for Armagh. Tyrone meanwhile looked to have clocked out this season between indiscipline, players walking out and others just lacking in motivation for various reasons. This game should awaken them for their slumber. For the losers it could be a long winter but for the winners it could kickstart their season. Should be some atmosphere in Armagh for this match.
Exactly, whoever wins this can probably expect to get through a couple more rounds. For the loser played 2 lost 2 is not very impressive.
Brilliant draw for Tyrone. No long journey. Just a nip over the bridge to our beloved neighbours.
Armagh won't want this.
Quote from: trailer on May 23, 2022, 10:19:43 AM
Brilliant draw for Tyrone. No long journey. Just a nip over the bridge to our beloved neighbours.
Armagh won't want this.
You're wrong there, it's the ideal draw for Armagh as well.
I can see why Tyrone might be happy enough but it's Tyrone arrogance to simply think that Armagh are afraid of facing them too.
2 nailed on predictions - tyrone will win and geezer will still be managing armagh in 2023!!
Quote from: trailer on May 23, 2022, 10:19:43 AM
Brilliant draw for Tyrone. No long journey. Just a nip over the bridge to our beloved neighbours.
Armagh won't want this.
Brilliant draw for us too. Will be a cracker really looking forward to it.
Think there's no real 'easy' draws any more. Louth maybe, Cork maybe, but either of them would be sticky enough for f they were away. Clare will be a hard team to beat as well. Whilst it's a tough draw, it's the draw that this team needs. They either do it or don't and this is where the progress has to be measured. A win and the confidence is high. A lose with a good performance and there's something to build on. A bad lose and the questions need to be asked and answered. It really is a seminal moment in the development of this squad under Geezer
Great draw. Brings to an end an unpromising season or propels the winner on. For either team..
Some pressure on Armagh. Lose this and all of Geezers hard work will have come to nothing. Tyrone already proven they're the best. If they lose sure what about it? All good team get beaten and we'll always have 2021. But for Armagh this is everything. If they lose this match with home advantage I don't know where they go after this.
Armagh going for 3 in a row victories over Tyrone in the last 5 months, so not much to fear tbh. Hopefully McGeeney doesn't try and over think it, just play our best team and go for it. TK will be a big loss, fully expect to see a revamped HF line with no TK and sure if Hall is playing it's over anyway, so I expect to see a lot of changes from the Donegal game.
Quote from: trailer on May 23, 2022, 12:09:56 PM
Some pressure on Armagh. Lose this and all of Geezers hard work will have come to nothing. Tyrone already proven they're the best. If they lose sure what about it? All good team get beaten and we'll always have 2021. But for Armagh this is everything. If they lose this match with home advantage I don't know where they go after this.
Should you not be more worried about where Tyrone go? Excuses at the ready if Tyrone lose. We always had 2021? All good teams get beaten? You would near think Tyrone could possibly lose this game.
We getting Gough to ref this again?
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on May 23, 2022, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 23, 2022, 12:09:56 PM
Some pressure on Armagh. Lose this and all of Geezers hard work will have come to nothing. Tyrone already proven they're the best. If they lose sure what about it? All good team get beaten and we'll always have 2021. But for Armagh this is everything. If they lose this match with home advantage I don't know where they go after this.
Should you not be more worried about where Tyrone go? Excuses at the ready if Tyrone lose. We always had 2021? All good teams get beaten? You would near think Tyrone could possibly lose this game.
We are Tyrone. We'll always be brilliant. Armagh are like Hayley's comet... once in a lifetime.
Padraig McNulty is in full training.
Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
Burns
Brennan
Hampsey
Harte
Kilpatrick
McNulty
McKenna
Meyler
Canvan
McGeary
McCurry
McShane
Sludden and Michael O'Neill left out.
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 23, 2022, 12:25:52 PM
We getting Gough to ref this again?
please god no....
What of Mattie Donnelly, the last few months highlight how big a miss he is. His leadership alone is crucial
We'll really see what this Tyrone management are made of. Derry nailed every tactic that was deployed and we were kept outside shooting range for most of the game. What is plan c, d, e and how quickly can the team adapt? McShane needs to deliver. Discipline needs to be better. Make Armagh do the fouling. This is the business end of the season and Armagh may be a bit greener than Tyrone (at this stage) so Tyrone to shade it.
Quote from: Under Lights on May 23, 2022, 12:59:37 PM
Padraig McNulty is in full training.
Morgan
McKernan
McNamee
Burns
Brennan
Hampsey
Harte
Kennedy
McNulty
McKenna
Meyler
Canvan
McGeary
McCurry
McShane
Sludden and Michael O'Neill left out.
Gee thats a massive boost if McNulty is indeed available, i thought he was gone for the season
Youve left out Kilpatrick also, and is Kennedy not suspended after his straight red?
Quote from: Whishtup on May 23, 2022, 01:35:44 PM
We'll really see what this Tyrone management are made of. Derry nailed every tactic that was deployed and we were kept outside shooting range for most of the game. What is plan c, d, e and how quickly can the team adapt? McShane needs to deliver. Discipline needs to be better. Make Armagh do the fouling. This is the business end of the season and Armagh may be a bit greener than Tyrone (at this stage) so Tyrone to shade it.
Armagh will do the fouling - that is a given.
I woud spring Cathal from the bench as the game opens up more
Meant Kilpatrick not Kennedy, who is suspended
hearing its scheduled for 5th june at 1.30pm
live on rte
Be interesting to see who will be whinging more in the run up to the match.
Would expect tickets to be at a premium for this one.
Hard to see many going on general sale
Quote from: Taylor on May 23, 2022, 04:01:49 PM
Would expect tickets to be at a premium for this one.
Hard to see many going on general sale
Yeah would expect a full house weather dependent, although it's on rte which might keep some people at home.
genuinely dont see a full house.
its live on tv and after the depressing exit from the championship by armagh a fair few will stay at home
fancy 9/10k at it
Quote from: naka on May 23, 2022, 04:13:41 PM
genuinely dont see a full house.
its live on tv and after the depressing exit from the championship by armagh a fair few will stay at home
fancy 9/10k at it
4k or 5k less than a league game in February?
Not a chance
Quote from: naka on May 23, 2022, 04:13:41 PM
genuinely dont see a full house.
its live on tv and after the depressing exit from the championship by armagh a fair few will stay at home
fancy 9/10k at it
If the league game was full (and it was streamed live) then there must be chance of a crowd for the championship.
You have a point about the dismal performance in Ballybofey, but the problem with us Armagh people is that we always have hope.
With the price of fuel, this is a good draw us Armagh folk who are trying to cut spending. Home defeat and no more long journeys.
More to the point is who would we like as manager to help ease our descent to Div 3?
Quote from: armaghniac on May 23, 2022, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: naka on May 23, 2022, 04:13:41 PM
genuinely dont see a full house.
its live on tv and after the depressing exit from the championship by armagh a fair few will stay at home
fancy 9/10k at it
You have a point about the dismal performance in Ballybofey, but the problem with us Armagh people is that we always have hope.
its the hope that kills you!!!!!
Quote from: Whishtup on May 23, 2022, 01:35:44 PM
We'll really see what this Tyrone management are made of. Derry nailed every tactic that was deployed and we were kept outside shooting range for most of the game. What is plan c, d, e and how quickly can the team adapt? McShane needs to deliver. Discipline needs to be better. Make Armagh do the fouling. This is the business end of the season and Armagh may be a bit greener than Tyrone (at this stage) so Tyrone to shade it.
Mc Shane will be right.
He has been seen at the pool practising his diving..
Quote from: Derryman forever on May 23, 2022, 05:12:25 PM
Quote from: Whishtup on May 23, 2022, 01:35:44 PM
We'll really see what this Tyrone management are made of. Derry nailed every tactic that was deployed and we were kept outside shooting range for most of the game. What is plan c, d, e and how quickly can the team adapt? McShane needs to deliver. Discipline needs to be better. Make Armagh do the fouling. This is the business end of the season and Armagh may be a bit greener than Tyrone (at this stage) so Tyrone to shade it.
Mc Shane will be right.
He has been seen at the pool practising his diving..
McShane hasn't delivered since he was given a package to stop him from going to Australia.
Quote from: naka on May 23, 2022, 05:05:59 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 23, 2022, 04:18:05 PM
Quote from: naka on May 23, 2022, 04:13:41 PM
genuinely dont see a full house.
its live on tv and after the depressing exit from the championship by armagh a fair few will stay at home
fancy 9/10k at it
You have a point about the dismal performance in Ballybofey, but the problem with us Armagh people is that we always have hope.
its the hope that kills you!!!!!
Supporting Armagh is like sky diving, the fall gives you a buzz but the sudden stop at the end is the problem.
Betting the farm on Tyrone here.
Benny Tierney on RTÉ news spicing up this fixture.
"Tyrone coming to Armagh with their All-Ireland title on the line and we'll take great pleasure if we strip that title off them"
Star Donaghy has never beaten Tyrone when it matters
I think this the match of the year ...... has to be moved to a bigger pitch .... Athletic Grounds not built for this contest ..... Armagh maybe want it at Crossmaglen
Quote from: Under Lights on May 23, 2022, 08:48:34 PM
Star Donaghy has never beaten Tyrone when it matters
2015 semi-final didn't matter?
Perfect draw for both counties. Tyrone with a great opportunity to vanquish a rival to get back on track and extract revenge for the league game. Armagh with the opportunity to either pick up a big scalp or hasten the departure of a much maligned manager. Only issue is that I won't be there due to a weekend away organised last August before the Jubilee was even announced. Hopefully I can pick it up in Birmingham.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 23, 2022, 09:52:15 PM
Perfect draw for both counties. Tyrone with a great opportunity to vanquish a rival to get back on track and extract revenge for the league game. Armagh with the opportunity to either pick up a big scalp or hasten the departure of a much maligned manager. Only issue is that I won't be there due to a weekend away organised last August before the Jubilee was even announced. Hopefully I can pick it up in Birmingham.
Do you reckon McGeeneys job depends on this result?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 23, 2022, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 23, 2022, 09:52:15 PM
Perfect draw for both counties. Tyrone with a great opportunity to vanquish a rival to get back on track and extract revenge for the league game. Armagh with the opportunity to either pick up a big scalp or hasten the departure of a much maligned manager. Only issue is that I won't be there due to a weekend away organised last August before the Jubilee was even announced. Hopefully I can pick it up in Birmingham.
Do you reckon McGeeneys job depends on this result?
McGeeney has an appalling record in Ulster but it seems his playing days ensure that he is un-sackable.
Expectations in Tyrone are lower than we would normally have for this game. However I think its a 50 50 and home advantage might just swing this to Armagh. This is going to be a very difficult season now anyway and the injury count in the camp seems as bad as 2006 2006. The lads may well need a break sooner rather than later. If it comes after this game so be it and we go back to the drawing board for next year.
I'm very interested to see how Tyrone react.
They should have no shortage of motivation after the league fixture and many writing them off and calling the hardest won All-Ireland in years as a fluke. Tyrone have played in spurts this year and have it in them still I believe, I think I they were similar last year, but a much different dynamic now.
The home advantage worries me. Tyrone normally have an excellent record, especially in Croke Park, of beating other Ulster teams in the AI series.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 23, 2022, 10:21:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 23, 2022, 09:52:15 PM
Perfect draw for both counties. Tyrone with a great opportunity to vanquish a rival to get back on track and extract revenge for the league game. Armagh with the opportunity to either pick up a big scalp or hasten the departure of a much maligned manager. Only issue is that I won't be there due to a weekend away organised last August before the Jubilee was even announced. Hopefully I can pick it up in Birmingham.
Do you reckon McGeeneys job depends on this result?
I dont think it depends on it but a loss probably makes it more likely.
Is any other season ticket holder having trouble purchasing tickets today?
For the Tyrone Armagh game why are they only available to buy behind each goal? Are the stand and terrace pitch side going to be released in due course or what's the story?
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2022, 12:28:16 PM
Is any other season ticket holder having trouble purchasing tickets today?
Have you logged in here: https://am.ticketmaster.com/gaaseasontickets/
Then go to 'Redeem Championship Tickets' dropdown at top left corner ... choose 'All Ireland Football Championship'.
Select County next and you should see a map of the ground to select in what looks to be a dedicated section of the main stand ... shows section 103 for me.
I bought two tickets on TicketMaster, then a friend gifted me two tickets.
Is there a way on TicketMaster to return the electronic tickets and get a refund? If there is, then I cannot find it.
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2022, 07:20:23 PM
I bought two tickets on TicketMaster, then a friend gifted me two tickets.
Is there a way on TicketMaster to return the electronic tickets and get a refund? If there is, then I cannot find it.
Good luck with getting a refund from Ticketmaster, not known for their refunds unless the event is cancelled.
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2022, 07:20:23 PM
I bought two tickets on TicketMaster, then a friend gifted me two tickets.
Is there a way on TicketMaster to return the electronic tickets and get a refund? If there is, then I cannot find it.
Prob best to find someone looking two tix and transfer them to them, or screenshot them, send them and get the person to pay you
Quote from: Orior on May 24, 2022, 07:20:23 PM
I bought two tickets on TicketMaster, then a friend gifted me two tickets.
Is there a way on TicketMaster to return the electronic tickets and get a refund? If there is, then I cannot find it.
Terrace standing tickets I presume?
Yes, two for NIALLS CRESCENT TERRACE
Quote from: balladmaker on May 24, 2022, 06:52:20 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 24, 2022, 12:28:16 PM
Is any other season ticket holder having trouble purchasing tickets today?
Have you logged in here: https://am.ticketmaster.com/gaaseasontickets/
Then go to 'Redeem Championship Tickets' dropdown at top left corner ... choose 'All Ireland Football Championship'.
Select County next and you should see a map of the ground to select in what looks to be a dedicated section of the main stand ... shows section 103 for me.
I had. Phoned ticketmaster in the end and got it sorted
I take Armagh to win this one. Home Advantage to count, must check the odds for the game ending 15 aside.
Why are the tickets only available for Dalton Park terrace and Niall's Crescent Terrace ?
Quote from: BrotherMore6592 on May 25, 2022, 08:12:02 AM
Why are the tickets only available for Dalton Park terrace and Niall's Crescent Terrace ?
Maybe rest going to county boards?
Fair enough. Haven't seen our club put anything up yet
Would rather watch the game on tv than from behind the goals IMHO
We got tickets for the Terrace but have only ever been in the stand in the Athletic Grounds, from what direction is the best way in?
Quote from: Tyrdub on May 25, 2022, 09:21:38 AM
We got tickets for the Terrace but have only ever been in the stand in the Athletic Grounds, from what direction is the best way in?
What terrace are you in - Drumarg, Niall's Crescent (City End) or Dalton?
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 25, 2022, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: Tyrdub on May 25, 2022, 09:21:38 AM
We got tickets for the Terrace but have only ever been in the stand in the Athletic Grounds, from what direction is the best way in?
What terrace are you in - Drumarg, Niall's Crescent (City End) or Dalton?
Dalton
Quote from: Tyrdub on May 25, 2022, 10:43:56 AM
Dalton
Dalton Entrance can be easily accessed from all sides of the ground.
If parking in town, go down towards the ground along the Ring Road or via Irish Street (and under the flyover), and go down past McAnerneys Supermarket car park, and go to the end of the Stand.
If parking as coming from the South (Newtownhamilton, Keady or Monaghan Roads), there is pedestrian access along the Monaghan Road, about 100 yards from the Keady / Monaghan Road junction, which takes you directly into the Dalton End.
If parking on the Killylea Road side of the ground, you can go in the main entrance to the Drumarg estate, and walk through the estate to get to the far (Dalton) end of the ground.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 25, 2022, 02:54:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on May 25, 2022, 10:43:56 AM
Dalton
Dalton Entrance can be easily accessed from all sides of the ground.
If parking in town, go down towards the ground along the Ring Road or via Irish Street (and under the flyover), and go down past McAnerneys Supermarket car park, and go to the end of the Stand.
If parking as coming from the South (Newtownhamilton, Keady or Monaghan Roads), there is pedestrian access along the Monaghan Road, about 100 yards from the Keady / Monaghan Road junction, which takes you directly into the Dalton End.
If parking on the Killylea Road side of the ground, you can go in the main entrance to the Drumarg estate, and walk through the estate to get to the far (Dalton) end of the ground.
Thanks Lad
We got our Season Tickets for The Stand .....logged in about 12pm yesterday, looks like we are between midfield and 30 metre line......took ages as Ticketmaster kept logging me out. (You had to hit on a week picture of a seat in the best available)..
Are seats specifically allocated? Never seen that before at the AG, always been first come, first served in the East stand.
All patron seats have been allocated after the Tyrone league game
I think stewards took a lot of abuse that day so they are rolling it out
Mine are allocated
28,000 at the Ulster Final this weekend. This Armagh Tyrone game could surely sell more than 20k tickets. Totally understand armagh want to retain home advantage but costing the GAA a hell of alot of money
Rule says first out get home game once grounds meet CCCC requirements.
Armagh were hardly going to give up home advantage to give HQ an extra €200k? (And lose ground rent of maybe €40k in the process)
Couod possibly even double the attendance of the athletic grounds. Pity
Quote from: An Watcher on May 26, 2022, 07:07:34 PM
28,000 at the Ulster Final this weekend. This Armagh Tyrone game could surely sell more than 20k tickets. Totally understand armagh want to retain home advantage but costing the GAA a hell of alot of money
Except tickets have been on sale to the public for days now and show no sign of selling out.
This one won't even be full.
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 26, 2022, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 26, 2022, 07:07:34 PM
28,000 at the Ulster Final this weekend. This Armagh Tyrone game could surely sell more than 20k tickets. Totally understand armagh want to retain home advantage but costing the GAA a hell of alot of money
Except tickets have been on sale to the public for days now and show no sign of selling out.
This one won't even be full.
Disillusionment all round?
Quote from: Ed Ricketts on May 26, 2022, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on May 26, 2022, 07:07:34 PM
28,000 at the Ulster Final this weekend. This Armagh Tyrone game could surely sell more than 20k tickets. Totally understand armagh want to retain home advantage but costing the GAA a hell of alot of money
Except tickets have been on sale to the public for days now and show no sign of selling out.
This one won't even be full.
I don't think you could double the attendance, but there is still 10 days of ticket sales, some people will buy one closer to the date, perhaps after seeing the weather forecast.
Any ideas on how the teams may line out ... will Stephen Campbell start and will Mattie Donnelly be fit for Tyrone
Quote from: Real Talk on May 26, 2022, 09:40:31 PM
Any ideas on how the teams may line out ... will Stephen Campbell start and will Mattie Donnelly be fit for Tyrone
Not sure about Stephen but Stefan is likely starter given Tiarnan Kelly is out. Wouldn't be surprised if there are a few unexpected changes in personnel.
Quote from: Real Talk on May 26, 2022, 09:40:31 PM
Any ideas on how the teams may line out ... will Stephen Campbell start and will Mattie Donnelly be fit for Tyrone
I think the answer to both is a No ... Turbitt if fit might get the nod ahead of Stefan given Stefan's success as an impact sub earlier in the season. Heard on grapevine Mattie Donnelly is out, but could be shadow boxing ongoing ref. injury situation on run up to the game. TK a big loss for Armagh.
I've a bad feeling with this one. Hope I'm wrong!
Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
is he yeah?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
is he yeah?
Which part are you puzzled about?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
is he yeah?
Which part are you puzzled about?
The bit where you've made that up?
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
is he yeah?
Which part are you puzzled about?
The bit where you've made that up?
So the images of him head to toe in armagh gear, the training bras, along with being with the team for 1 of their challenge games?
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:39:59 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:24:02 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
According to the IN he got the injury in an off the ball incident in the aftermath of the Donegal league game
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 01:26:09 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:31:35 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:24:53 PM
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
is he yeah?
Which part are you puzzled about?
The bit where you've made that up?
So the images of him head to toe in armagh gear, the training bras, along with being with the team for 1 of their challenge games?
What pictures are these?
Quote from: 5times5times on May 27, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
this is made up!
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 27, 2022, 02:16:08 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 27, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:39:59 PM
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Quote from: bennydorano on May 27, 2022, 12:00:40 PM
Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
According to the IN he got the injury in an off the ball incident in the aftermath of the Donegal league game
Read that today but had heard at the time it was in training. Not that it matters anyway...
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Jamie Clarke is back with Armagh. Desperation times for Geezer. Lose and he's surely gone.
is he yeah?
Which part are you puzzled about?
The bit where you've made that up?
So the images of him head to toe in armagh gear, the training bras, along with being with the team for 1 of their challenge games?
Where are these images? There was a team photo put on twitter the other day and no sign of him.
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Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
According to the IN he got the injury in an off the ball incident in the aftermath of the Donegal league game
he got injured in training and has had a second operation.
its known that he was out for the rest of the season and maybe into next year
and Jamie is not back with the county , he has only committed to Cross at the moment
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Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
According to the IN he got the injury in an off the ball incident in the aftermath of the Donegal league game
he got injured in training and has had a second operation.
its known that he was out for the rest of the season and maybe into next year
and Jamie is not back with the county , he has only committed to Cross at the moment
Talk at the Donegal game was he may not play again
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Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
According to the IN he got the injury in an off the ball incident in the aftermath of the Donegal league game
he got injured in training and has had a second operation.
its known that he was out for the rest of the season and maybe into next year
and Jamie is not back with the county , he has only committed to Cross at the moment
So he was photoshopped into those photos then? And wasnt walking across pitch with armagh teammates few weeks back? Cmon lads, drop your anti-cross antics.
That was at a Cross match brains
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Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
According to the IN he got the injury in an off the ball incident in the aftermath of the Donegal league game
he got injured in training and has had a second operation.
its known that he was out for the rest of the season and maybe into next year
and Jamie is not back with the county , he has only committed to Cross at the moment
So he was photoshopped into those photos then? And wasnt walking across pitch with armagh teammates few weeks back? Cmon lads, drop your anti-cross antics.
You're clearly on a wind up, but anyway. Where are these photos? And who is anti-Cross?
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Upon reading Mackin is out this morning my heart sank a bit. It really is die dog or shite the licence for Armagh. Could end up very similar to Donegal game.
That was known months ago...
Tell today's Irish News that.
Thought it was well enough known that he was out for the season after an eye injury he got in training and that was why he accepted his ban for Donegal.
According to the IN he got the injury in an off the ball incident in the aftermath of the Donegal league game
Read that today but had heard at the time it was in training. Not that it matters anyway...
It was from a training injury, went in for a block and the foot followed through and has affected his vision since.
Quote from: OrchardOrange on May 27, 2022, 11:47:11 AM
I've a bad feeling with this one. Hope I'm wrong!
No offence like, but you could be spot on! ;)
Seriously, the League game was shadow boxing from our perspective, though Armagh treated it like Championship, and this is really what it all comes down to -- if we have any pretensions at all, then we'll prevail I'd say. :)
Hopefully Armagh can beat them. I was in Armagh at the Derry game, I think we underestimate the history of that city, the most important region in Irish history basically. It certainly makes me feel proud about being part of the Archdiocese of Armagh.
Quote from: HokeyPokey on May 24, 2022, 11:59:05 AM
I'm very interested to see how Tyrone react.
They should have no shortage of motivation after the league fixture and many writing them off and calling the hardest won All-Ireland in years as a fluke. Tyrone have played in spurts this year and have it in them still I believe, I think I they were similar last year, but a much different dynamic now.
The home advantage worries me. Tyrone normally have an excellent record, especially in Croke Park, of beating other Ulster teams in the AI series.
How can you call that the hardest won All Ireland in years? They didn't even have to play a quarter final. Also they were able to miss out on playing Dublin. Mayo didn't play up to their usual standards in the final from what I remember.
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I'm very interested to see how Tyrone react.
They should have no shortage of motivation after the league fixture and many writing them off and calling the hardest won All-Ireland in years as a fluke. Tyrone have played in spurts this year and have it in them still I believe, I think I they were similar last year, but a much different dynamic now.
The home advantage worries me. Tyrone normally have an excellent record, especially in Croke Park, of beating other Ulster teams in the AI series.
How can you call that the hardest won All Ireland in years? They didn't even have to play a quarter final. Also they were able to miss out on playing Dublin. Mayo didn't play up to their usual standards in the final from what I remember.
They beat Cavan, the Ulster Champions, then beat two division one teams in Donegal and Monaghan. They were against the massive favourites for Sam, and who had been for a couple of years, Kerry. They then beat Mayo who had been consistently one of the best teams. They also won against Monaghan and Kerry with significant issues from the covid outbreak, not being able to train much, players not being fully fit and the controversy storm around it.
Yes, they didn't beat Dublin, but Dublin had looked off their peak for a year or more at that stage. They beat arguably the four best teams in the country (aside from Dublin and Tyrone). Yes, Mayo looked off colour in the final, but I think that was a good bit down to how Tyrone managed the game.
What all-Ireland win do you think was harder won?
Any of their other 3 were harder won I thought. Donegal in 2012. That's not to take away from their win but winning when you have more games you need to prove yourself in and years were other teams have two chances I would have called harder.
Interesting to see how this pans out.
I just can't see how Tyrone can simply turn on the white-heat tap after 9 dullish outings this year, bar the Kerry game albeit the Kingdom had nothing to play for.
Would love to be proved wrong.
Not sure where Armagh are either. They've wilted a bit after a promising March.
Kelly, Mackin and now Grimley all out, far from ideal preparation, however what is most important is the health and recovery for each of them. For their own sake I hope they're all back doing what they do best in an Orange jersey soon.
Seems like too long of a break from losing until next game, 6 weeks in Armagh's case. Surely the gap must pose issues for management keeping training focused over that time, especially when your next opponents are only known 2 weeks before the game.
As you say O'Neill, it's difficult to know which Armagh and Tyrone will show up.
Quote from: ONeill on May 29, 2022, 10:59:20 PM
I just can't see how Tyrone can simply turn on the white-heat tap after 9 dullish outings this year, bar the Kerry game albeit the Kingdom had nothing to play for.
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Yerra, sure you could have said (and probably did say! ;) ) the very same thing after the League Semi debacle in Killarney in 2021! :P
closer to the game it becomes the more i fear for Armagh, this could be a defeat of the croke park magnitude in 2017
Quote from: balladmaker on May 30, 2022, 10:20:01 AM
Kelly, Mackin and now Grimley all out, far from ideal preparation, however what is most important is the health and recovery for each of them. For their own sake I hope they're all back doing what they do best in an Orange jersey soon.
Seems like too long of a break from losing until next game, 6 weeks in Armagh's case. Surely the gap must pose issues for management keeping training focused over that time, especially when your next opponents are only known 2 weeks before the game.
As you say O'Neill, it's difficult to know which Armagh and Tyrone will show up.
I would have the very same reservations but then heard Armagh put in a good shift against a top 5 county recently (challenge match so can't read into it to much) so it's hard to know what to think. Both teams need to bounce back after humiliating defeats and I think Tyrone will have that wee bit extra motivation.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 28, 2022, 04:35:22 PM
Any of their other 3 were harder won I thought. Donegal in 2012. That's not to take away from their win but winning when you have more games you need to prove yourself in and years were other teams have two chances I would have called harder.
I wasn't saying it was the hardest won championship ever, but it certainly was a hard won championship (as are probably all Ulster wins) and the hardest won in recent years, I wouldn't count ten years a go as recent, as much as it feels it.
I think the qualifiers does make it harder, but it comes down to the difficulty of opponents and Tyrone had 4/5 hard matches. That is not often the case for most all-Ireland winning teams.
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closer to the game it becomes the more i fear for Armagh, this could be a defeat of the croke park magnitude in 2017
I fear that you are right :-/
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Kelly, Mackin and now Grimley all out, far from ideal preparation, however what is most important is the health and recovery for each of them. For their own sake I hope they're all back doing what they do best in an Orange jersey soon.
Seems like too long of a break from losing until next game, 6 weeks in Armagh's case. Surely the gap must pose issues for management keeping training focused over that time, especially when your next opponents are only known 2 weeks before the game.
As you say O'Neill, it's difficult to know which Armagh and Tyrone will show up.
I would have the very same reservations but then heard Armagh put in a good shift against a top 5 county recently (challenge match so can't read into it to much) so it's hard to know what to think. Both teams need to bounce back after humiliating defeats and I think Tyrone will have that wee bit extra motivation.
There's something badly wrong of Armagh aren't highly motivated to play the current all Ireland champions and next door neighbours at their home ground in a knockout match. Especially with their recent championship record.
It's hard to make a strong case for us. We haven't done anything in the championship in a long time to suggest we'll beat even a weakened Tyrone side. If this current Armagh team has anything about them they'll at least have a go and get stuck in.
Armagh have beaten Tyrone twice this year and finished above them in league. Tyrone were horrible against Derry. I still think they can turn it round but Armagh bound to be confident.
Maybe the team themselves are but I haven't met any supporters who would share that optimism. Any confidence drained after the last match, which was disheartening.
Quote from: Armamike on May 31, 2022, 01:04:04 AM
Maybe the team themselves are but I haven't met any supporters who would share that optimism. Any confidence drained after the last match, which was disheartening.
Yeah the Donegal result and moreso performance really killed a lot of optimism about this Armagh side. The fact we're missing at least 3 starters to nasty long term, freak things is a disaster but for all 3 making a full recovery is more important than football. Doesn't help that a huge problem of ours is winning kickouts and the 3 lads are excellent fielders.
Armagh will definitely get stuck in. Home crowd, sun high, memories of 20 years ago and the first round draw and replay, apples blooming.
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Maybe the team themselves are but I haven't met any supporters who would share that optimism. Any confidence drained after the last match, which was disheartening.
Yeah the Donegal result and moreso performance really killed a lot of optimism about this Armagh side. The fact we're missing at least 3 starters to nasty long term, freak things is a disaster but for all 3 making a full recovery is more important than football. Doesn't help that a huge problem of ours is winning kickouts and the 3 lads are excellent fielders.
who are the 3 missing for Armagh?
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Maybe the team themselves are but I haven't met any supporters who would share that optimism. Any confidence drained after the last match, which was disheartening.
Yeah the Donegal result and moreso performance really killed a lot of optimism about this Armagh side. The fact we're missing at least 3 starters to nasty long term, freak things is a disaster but for all 3 making a full recovery is more important than football. Doesn't help that a huge problem of ours is winning kickouts and the 3 lads are excellent fielders.
Ciaran Mackin (eye), Tiarnan Kelly (blood clots) and Niall Grimley (neck injury).
who are the 3 missing for Armagh?
Quote from: ONeill on May 31, 2022, 08:30:59 AM
Armagh will definitely get stuck in. Home crowd, sun high, memories of 20 years ago and the first round draw and replay, apples blooming.
Very poetic O'Neill!
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Armagh will definitely get stuck in. Home crowd, sun high, memories of 20 years ago and the first round draw and replay, apples blooming.
20 years. Scary!
Can only see a Tyrone win to be honest. Not that I don't believe Armagh can't win I just think that it's in Tyrone's favour the way things stand. I suspect it will be tight and dogged for 50 minutes but Tyrone will ease away at that stage to win by 4-5.
Had edged to Armagh but losses of, Kelly, Grimley, Mackin would def edge bck to Tyrone.
I think those injuries for Armagh tips it back to Tyrone, I know Tyrone don't have the depth this year either but I just don't think Armagh have anyone coming in for Grimley and Mackin in particular that would be anywhere near the same standard.
Hope it's a cracker of a game and maybe home advantage will be worth a few points for Armagh, so it will be tight. But I just feel that Tyrone will edge it.
Either way we'll be waiting for the winner in Donegal because it's written in the stars that we'll draw the winners of this one
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 31, 2022, 10:27:45 AM
Can only see a Tyrone win to be honest. Not that I don't believe Armagh can't win I just think that it's in Tyrone's favour the way things stand. I suspect it will be tight and dogged for 50 minutes but Tyrone will ease away at that stage to win by 4-5.
Surprised by that negativity BCB
Tyrone arguably performed the worst out of the Div1+Derry teams.
Tyrone have injuries and a suspension as well, following 7 defections from last years squad. Some big names out of form all season too.
Depending on your perspective, you could say its bit desperate, bringing in 4 teenagers into the panel in the last week or two
I find this one incredibly difficult to judge. We just dont know which Tyrone and Armagh teams will turn up.
I wouldnt be shocked by either a 5 point Tyrone win or a 5 point Armagh win.
Quote from: JoeSoap on May 31, 2022, 10:43:20 AM
I think those injuries for Armagh tips it back to Tyrone, I know Tyrone don't have the depth this year either but I just don't think Armagh have anyone coming in for Grimley and Mackin in particular that would be anywhere near the same standard.
Hope it's a cracker of a game and maybe home advantage will be worth a few points for Armagh, so it will be tight. But I just feel that Tyrone will edge it.
Either way we'll be waiting for the winner in Donegal because it's written in the stars that we'll draw the winners of this one
Yeah the injuries will cause us hassle- Rian can fill in out the field easily but then we'll lose our biggest threat inside. Going to need massive game from Crealey.
Tyrone don't have depth, christ they got a panel of 45, Derry barely got 30, although Gallagher doesn't bring in anybody for players who leave, leaving a very weak bench.
I don't think we can use the excuse of injuries here. Mackin has yet to make his championship debut and Kelly is still relatively inexperienced even though both played well during the league campaign. Grimley has never really lived up to the potential he showed about 4 or 5 years ago either and often flits in and out of matches. This will be a dogfight and I'm not sure Grimley really thrives in those type of matches. I would like to see Burns and Oisin O'Neill at midfield. Burns is not really a natural defender anyway and is one of our best fielders whilst Oisin O'Neill is a good long kicker that is needed around the middle to supply the forward line with an earlier supply of ball. We badly lack this type of player in the middle third as we really aren't playing to our strengths by constantly playing a running game. That was one of the reasons we fell down against Donegal, our failure to play quicker ball inside instead choosing to run into cul de sacs. I don't think Tyrone have the strongest midfield anyway, most certainly not at the same level as Donegal and I think those two will have the edge in mobility.
I think we can win this match not because we are any world beaters but simply because people are over estimating Tyrone based on them being AI champions. They have shown very little this season and between squad defections, constant indiscipline, injuries and players lacking motivation they are there for the taking. Getting a good start, playing with high intensity and getting the crowd involved is the key to winning the match. Tyrone will feel under pressure to win in order to not go down as one of the poorest quality AI champions in recent memory. If we can stop McCurry then we will be half way there to winning and providing we can keep it tight until near the end I think we can edge it with the home crowd behind us. The atmosphere should be bouncing on Sunday and I think that will be just enough to carry us over the line.
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I don't think we can use the excuse of injuries here. Mackin has yet to make his championship debut and Kelly is still relatively inexperienced even though both played well during the league campaign. Grimley has never really lived up to the potential he showed about 4 or 5 years ago either and often flits in and out of matches. This will be a dogfight and I'm not sure Grimley really thrives in those type of matches. I would like to see Burns and Oisin O'Neill at midfield. Burns is not really a natural defender anyway and is one of our best fielders whilst Oisin O'Neill is a good long kicker that is needed around the middle to supply the forward line with an earlier supply of ball. We badly lack this type of player in the middle third as we really aren't playing to our strengths by constantly playing a running game. That was one of the reasons we fell down against Donegal, our failure to play quicker ball inside instead choosing to run into cul de sacs. I don't think Tyrone have the strongest midfield anyway, most certainly not at the same level as Donegal and I think those two will have the edge in mobility.
I think we can win this match not because we are any world beaters but simply because people are over estimating Tyrone based on them being AI champions. They have shown very little this season and between squad defections, constant indiscipline, injuries and players lacking motivation they are there for the taking. Getting a good start, playing with high intensity and getting the crowd involved is the key to winning the match. Tyrone will feel under pressure to win in order to not go down as one of the poorest quality AI champions in recent memory. If we can stop McCurry then we will be half way there to winning and providing we can keep it tight until near the end I think we can edge it with the home crowd behind us. The atmosphere should be bouncing on Sunday and I think that will be just enough to carry us over the line.
yellowcard dont think oisin is fit this year and it would actually be better for him if he was allowed to rest and cure his achilles
could see connaire mackin and crealey as a midfield
would like mc cabe, burns and shields at half back
but half forward will be where mc geeney earns his wages, apart from grugan i dont see any starters at all( would prefer stefan coming on at half time)
half forward line for armagh will be interesting
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Quote from: yellowcard on May 31, 2022, 11:47:12 AM
I don't think we can use the excuse of injuries here. Mackin has yet to make his championship debut and Kelly is still relatively inexperienced even though both played well during the league campaign. Grimley has never really lived up to the potential he showed about 4 or 5 years ago either and often flits in and out of matches. This will be a dogfight and I'm not sure Grimley really thrives in those type of matches. I would like to see Burns and Oisin O'Neill at midfield. Burns is not really a natural defender anyway and is one of our best fielders whilst Oisin O'Neill is a good long kicker that is needed around the middle to supply the forward line with an earlier supply of ball. We badly lack this type of player in the middle third as we really aren't playing to our strengths by constantly playing a running game. That was one of the reasons we fell down against Donegal, our failure to play quicker ball inside instead choosing to run into cul de sacs. I don't think Tyrone have the strongest midfield anyway, most certainly not at the same level as Donegal and I think those two will have the edge in mobility.
I think we can win this match not because we are any world beaters but simply because people are over estimating Tyrone based on them being AI champions. They have shown very little this season and between squad defections, constant indiscipline, injuries and players lacking motivation they are there for the taking. Getting a good start, playing with high intensity and getting the crowd involved is the key to winning the match. Tyrone will feel under pressure to win in order to not go down as one of the poorest quality AI champions in recent memory. If we can stop McCurry then we will be half way there to winning and providing we can keep it tight until near the end I think we can edge it with the home crowd behind us. The atmosphere should be bouncing on Sunday and I think that will be just enough to carry us over the line.
yellowcard dont think oisin is fit this year and it would actually be better for him if he was allowed to rest and cure his achilles
could see connaire mackin and crealey as a midfield
would like mc cabe, burns and shields at half back
but half forward will be where mc geeney earns his wages, apart from grugan i dont see any starters at all( would prefer stefan coming on at half time)
half forward line for armagh will be interesting
That's a blow if O'Neill is out injured then, bigger than any of the other 3 players mentioned previously. I don't like Burns playing at half back, he plays too much with his head down. His biggest strength is his fielding and his running power which can be better utilised in midfield where we are weak without those missing players.
Campbell is a certain starter in my book given the absentees. I understand the logic of using him as an impact player if we had greater selection choice but the game was over in Ballybofey before he was introduced, do we really want to take that same risk again. Better to play 50 minutes when the game is still a contest than come on for 30 minutes if the game has slipped away.
Hughes - Stop playing Rafferty, slows everything down
Burns
Forker
Morgan
Mackin
McCabe
McKay
Burns
Crealey
Oisin
Grugan
Soupy
Turbitt
Rian
Nugent
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Hughes - Stop playing Rafferty, slows everything down
Burns
Forker
Morgan
Mackin
McCabe
McKay
Burns
Crealey
Oisin
Grugan
Soupy
Turbitt
Rian
Nugent
Wouldn't be a million miles off although with Oisin O'Neill injured it will probably be Hall starting no.10 as he is one of geezers most tried and tested players. I would never have dropped Hughes to begin with but I doubt if he will go back to playing him now at this stage.
Tyrone have a few back by all accounts
Padraig McNulty, Mattie Donnelly & also
some of their u20s
Need Mattie in there to keep the heads, bit of experience
Would be some occasion to attend in the Athletic Grounds if Armagh manage to KO the defending champions.
Tyrone are the defending champions and will be looking to prove a point that the Derry match was just an off day. The injuries no way helpful to Armagh chances, might go down fighting however hard to see past a Tyrone win.
Injuries far from ideal, however, not an excuse not to go out and give it one hell of a go. At home to the All Ireland Champions in a straight shoot-out with no second chances ... surely management will have Armagh ready to empty the tank for this one ... I would hope!
Oisin O'Neill has hurt the ankle/achilles throughout the year hence his lack of involvement. He won't play this season again to give it the best chance to fully recover.
Is Brian Kennedy available for selection? What happened after his sending off v Derry
Quote from: David McKeown on May 31, 2022, 10:13:47 PM
Is Brian Kennedy available for selection? What happened after his sending off v Derry
He's suspended
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Maybe the team themselves are but I haven't met any supporters who would share that optimism. Any confidence drained after the last match, which was disheartening.
Yeah the Donegal result and moreso performance really killed a lot of optimism about this Armagh side. The fact we're missing at least 3 starters to nasty long term, freak things is a disaster but for all 3 making a full recovery is more important than football. Doesn't help that a huge problem of ours is winning kickouts and the 3 lads are excellent fielders.
Every county in the country bar Armagh have a kickout strategy that allows them to mix it up and not rely just on high fielders. I don't understand why we are so shit at it. It is something that should be bread and butter in training. Donegal exposed the fact that Armagh are some ways and a few additional players off the pace. I hope for the win but dread a pasting.
As the game is drawling closer I am getting more apprehensive as to Armaghs chances. I would say Armagh underperformed against Donegal big time and never capitalised on their chances. Derry had Tyrone in their crosshairs and execute their game plan to perfection, so its hard to know where Tyrone are atm still.
I reckon both teams will feel they have the beating of one another, so they will go out and give it a good lash. Would expect this to go down to the wire and be minimal in it.
Lots of béal bochting going on here. Orior has Tyrone to win by 9 in the prediction thread.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2022, 09:33:52 PM
Lots of béal bochting going on here. Orior has Tyrone to win by 9 in the prediction thread.
As someone else inferred, we peaked half way through the league.
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Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 01, 2022, 09:33:52 PM
Lots of béal bochting going on here. Orior has Tyrone to win by 9 in the prediction thread.
As someone else inferred, we peaked half way through the league.
At least we did peak.
Quote from: David McKeown on May 31, 2022, 10:13:47 PM
Is Brian Kennedy available for selection? What happened after his sending off v Derry
We take our suspensions!!!!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cbcrks
Quote from: God14 on May 31, 2022, 10:38:42 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on May 31, 2022, 10:13:47 PM
Is Brian Kennedy available for selection? What happened after his sending off v Derry
He's suspended
That should reduce the average height, just the usual diving midgets then.
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Quote from: David McKeown on May 31, 2022, 10:13:47 PM
Is Brian Kennedy available for selection? What happened after his sending off v Derry
We take our suspensions!!!!
hmmmmmmmmm
There is always a big game in Armagh and hopefully this Sunday is it. However, I don't think it will be. We are missing a few players and seem to be low on confidence atm, KMcG has to start Campbell and should he play him on edge of the square and let him roam about so be it. He's deadly in front of goal and will give us something more than J Hall will in attack although i know he's in there for work rate etc and not his scoring ability, I don't like to say this but this could be a comfortable 5-6 pt win for Tyrone. We need to score goals and score them early to have them rattled, i'll still be there cheering them on hoping for a win and hoping my predication is wrong.
What's the odds of the winner drawing Donegal in next round?.
Quote from: illdecide on June 02, 2022, 10:17:55 AM
What's the odds of the winner drawing Donegal in next round?.
4/1.
I really don't see a big margin win for either side that some on here have predicted, this game is going to go down to the wire and it could take extra time. I'd be quietly confident of a narrow Armagh win but not overly so either, as my prediction is based on Tyrone showing the same level as they have all season. If they pull out a performance like they did in the latter stages of last seasons championship then Armagh will not beat them. The strength of each bench could well prove important and given that it has been so long since either side played a match, we don't really know either the shape or personnel that each side might contain. Armagh would appear to have ignored the media for much of this season so we don't really hear anything from the camp at all and it wouldn't surprise me to see another dummy team named in advance.
There will be no love lost between either side, particularly after Tyrone couldn't take their beating in the League and tried to reduce the game to MMA wrestling in injury time when the game was up. I see that Coldrick is down to referee the match so hopefully he will clamp down on Tyrone's ill discipline if they try to start anything up again.
8)I think we know where the MMA comes from. Lets call it as it is. Armagh havent built a defence in the last 5 years so it is a question of whether they bring the mma in their dna or just try and outscore Tyrone, because Armagh have great talent up front.
Tyrone are average this year in particular on scoring so if Armagh try to play football they can outscore Tyrone and we can all have a good game to watch..
Quote from: rrhf on June 02, 2022, 11:08:28 AM
8)I think we know where the MMA comes from. Lets call it as it is. Armagh havent built a defence in the last 5 years so it is a question of whether they bring the mma in their dna or just try and outscore Tyrone, because Armagh have great talent up front.
Tyrone are average this year in particular on scoring so if Armagh try to play football they can outscore Tyrone and we can all have a good game to watch..
the state of this
Hard not to agree that if Armagh had spent more time on football and not MMA since Geezer took over they probably would have been better of for it.
I know he had a good few of them at the MMA but did they organise weekly team sessions of it?
Quote from: Tyrone Dreamer on June 02, 2022, 12:14:32 PM
Hard not to agree that if Armagh had spent more time on football and not MMA since Geezer took over they probably would have been better of for it.
Geezer retired from playing about 15 years ago so you don't have to worry about him anymore. He will have no influence on the field of play. But sling a bit of mud if you want to believe that, it's just deflection tactics from your own teams ill discipline. The irony is that your captain is a boxer and he will be on the pitch on Sunday.
MMA talk and now boxing...boring. Change the record lads and discuss the match
Have a feeling this match could be very defensive minded, not far removed from what we saw in Clones last Sunday.
Even back in the McKenna cup game, I recall Armagh had got mass bodies behind the ball, and broke at pace on the counter.
They ran away from Tyrone in the second quarter with tactics youd associate with Rory Gallagher.
Tyrone have really struggled against Ulster opposition this year, as they have left 3 men ahead of the ball mostly.
Logan and Dooher will have to change tact now.
Unfortunately Tyrone need to master two templates going forward
One for the shite Rory Gallagher type stuff coming back into vogue in Ulster
And then a second more expansive version for when you meet the Quality southern opposition in the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
Quote from: God14 on June 02, 2022, 04:57:36 PM
Have a feeling this match could be very defensive minded, not far removed from what we saw in Clones last Sunday.
Even back in the McKenna cup game, I recall Armagh had got mass bodies behind the ball, and broke at pace on the counter.
They ran away from Tyrone in the second quarter with tactics youd associate with Rory Gallagher.
Tyrone have really struggled against Ulster opposition this year, as they have left 3 men ahead of the ball mostly.
Logan and Dooher will have to change tact now.
Unfortunately Tyrone need to master two templates going forward
One for the shite Rory Gallagher type stuff coming back into vogue in Ulster
And then a second more expansive version for when you meet the Quality southern opposition in the wide open spaces of Croke Park.
So Tyrone don't play plenty men behind the ball? 15 lads all playing their positions? When did this last happened? Can certainly remember big Plunkett Donaghy's team doing that back in the day at Casement
Tyrone had to change to the Jimmy mcguinness brand of football after continually losing to donegal. Unfortunately they learnt that this brand of football wasn't much use against the kerrys and dublins of the world. When dooher n logan came in, it was much more adventurous and it paid dividends last year. With derry playing the Jimmy mcguinness brand I think it leaves many teams between the two styles
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 31, 2022, 08:15:43 PM
Oisin O'Neill has hurt the ankle/achilles throughout the year hence his lack of involvement. He won't play this season again to give it the best chance to fully recover.
There is an interview in todays Irish News with Oisin O'Neill where it says that he is back fit and available again. Given our absences at midfield he has to start if available.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 02, 2022, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 31, 2022, 08:15:43 PM
Oisin O'Neill has hurt the ankle/achilles throughout the year hence his lack of involvement. He won't play this season again to give it the best chance to fully recover.
There is an interview in todays Irish News with Oisin O'Neill where it says that he is back fit and available again. Given our absences at midfield he has to start if available.
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Game changer for Armagh for me. Rian Oneill needs to be close to goal
It's good to have a solid match-up this weekend, but I don't think the big-guns of Kerry, Derry or Dublin will be losing much sleep.
is the throw in time ok i personally think 1.30pm on saturday is good
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 02, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
It's good to have a solid match-up this weekend, but I don't think the big-guns of Kerry, Derry or Dublin will be losing much sleep.
lol, love it.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 02, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
It's good to have a solid match-up this weekend, but I don't think the big-guns of Kerry, Derry or Dublin will be losing much sleep.
🤣👍
Quote from: lenny on June 03, 2022, 08:28:43 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 02, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
It's good to have a solid match-up this weekend, but I don't think the big-guns of Kerry, Derry or Dublin will be losing much sleep.
lol, love it.
Well they are the top 3 favourites in the bookies ;D
Quote from: An Watcher on June 02, 2022, 06:51:25 PM
Tyrone had to change to the Jimmy mcguinness brand of football after continually losing to donegal. Unfortunately they learnt that this brand of football wasn't much use against the kerrys and dublins of the world. When dooher n logan came in, it was much more adventurous and it paid dividends last year. With derry playing the Jimmy mcguinness brand I think it leaves many teams between the two styles
That's lazy analysis I'd expect from the RTÉ studio.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 03, 2022, 10:19:04 AM
Quote from: lenny on June 03, 2022, 08:28:43 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 02, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
It's good to have a solid match-up this weekend, but I don't think the big-guns of Kerry, Derry or Dublin will be losing much sleep.
lol, love it.
Well they are the top 3 favourites in the bookies ;D
Kerry, Dublin and Derry/Galway are the current 3 favourites!
Bitter rivalry aside...in the circumstances, a minutes applause for Michela Harte as show of solidarity between all gaels, even the most bitter of rivals?
Quote from: Armaghtothebone on June 03, 2022, 02:21:00 PM
Bitter rivalry aside...in the circumstances, a minutes applause for Michela Harte as show of solidarity between all gaels, even the most bitter of rivals?
Absolutely
Quote from: Derryman forever on June 03, 2022, 08:35:24 AM
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 02, 2022, 11:23:55 PM
It's good to have a solid match-up this weekend, but I don't think the big-guns of Kerry, Derry or Dublin will be losing much sleep.
Have to love the inbreds loving their 5 mins in the limelight 8)
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Armagh team named. Gives me no confidence at all
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 04, 2022, 11:26:49 AM
Armagh team named. Gives me no confidence at all
What's the situation with Conor Turbitt, is he injured or just not making the starting 15 for reasons unknown? I assume this team is likely to change before throw-in.
1. Ethan Rafferty
2. James Morgan
3. Aidan Forker
4. Conor O'Neill
5. Aaron McKay
6. Greg McCabe
7. Jarly Og Burns
8. Stephen Sheridan
9. Ben Crealey
10. Rory Grugan
11. Stefan Campbell
12. Jemar Hall
13. Aidan Nugent
14. Rian O'Neill
15. Jason Duffy
Who do Armagh have on the bench?
Turbitt? Oisin O'Neill
Could be the winning of the game
Looking at that team on paper you'd lose a bit of faith. I'm hoping it's just the usual party piece of naming a dummy line up.
It contains most of the team that destroyed Tyrone in the league
Except about 2 players
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 04, 2022, 12:13:04 PM
Who do Armagh have on the bench?
Turbitt? Oisin O'Neill
Could be the winning of the game
Those 2 assuming they're fit, Ross McQullian and Murnin (if fit?) as well. Justin Kierans and Cian McConville (cousin of the O'Neills) could see game time as well although they're very inexperienced at this level but two very good forwards with pace to burn. Mark Shields and Ciaran O'Hanlon good players as well. (No idea if all of those lads will be in the 26 or if they're fit)
Quote from: Armagh18 on June 04, 2022, 02:12:25 PM
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 04, 2022, 12:13:04 PM
Who do Armagh have on the bench?
Turbitt? Oisin O'Neill
Could be the winning of the game
Those 2 assuming they're fit, Ross McQullian and Murnin (if fit?) as well. Justin Kierans and Cian McConville (cousin of the O'Neills) could see game time as well although they're very inexperienced at this level but two very good forwards with pace to burn. Mark Shields and Ciaran O'Hanlon good players as well. (No idea if all of those lads will be in the 26 or if they're fit)
How many points can we expect Jemar to knock over? Neither midfielder can tackle. Plus our full back line will concede goals when Tyrone run at us. This aint gonna be pretty.
I am unable to attend tomorrow now and have 1 adult 1 Student/OAP and 2 x children tickets for sale they are the dalton terrace end if anyone is interested give me pm. Thanks
Can you bury a ball into the top corner from a penalty?
Or is burying just bottom of the net?
Any recommendation for couple of pints before the game tomorrow?
Quote from: bogball88 on June 04, 2022, 08:14:07 PM
Any recommendation for couple of pints before the game tomorrow?
Toby Jug and Red Ned's bars are within 500 metres of the stadium and Keegans also but that would be more if you were looking for a feed. Not often we get a home championship game especially against Tyrone. So would expect all bars to be packed.
City hotel only place to go, and park if u early enough too.
12 before pints are served?
11?
Quote from: NotedObserver on June 04, 2022, 11:57:43 PM
12 before pints are served?
no I think you have to be over 18 but Armagh could be different.
Why RTE covering Hurling before this game
A bit of class from both sets of supporters
Goal for Tyrone after 3 mins the first score of the game, Armagh won't be happy with their defending on it
Poor defence to let McKernan in, and some awful decision making so far up front.
Tyrone look a bit more up for it today
Good response for Armagh, 15 mins played 1-3 to 1-1.
Quote from: screenexile on June 05, 2022, 01:40:17 PM
Tyrone look a bit more up for it today
Looks can be deceiving though 🤦🏼♂️
Great finish Nugent. Really enjoying this
Plenty of steps taken before the shot.
9 steps for the goal. They should just abandon the rule at this stage.
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2022, 01:50:04 PM
9 steps for the goal. They should just abandon the rule at this stage.
There was a bounce between the 9 steps
Tyrone plenty of wides. Good start bar a shitty goal. Long way to go.
Let off for Tyrone, could or should have been a 2nd Armagh goal.
Armagh are very good here
Goal was never on there, Tyrone had bodies bck, Sheridan chance was a better bet for a goal.
Poor enough quality.
Armagh have butchered a good few attacks here with some horrible passing. Could come back to haunt them.
Are steps not a thing anymore?
Armagh kicked a couple of terrible balls there straight to a, Tyrone man when no Armagh man in the vicinity.
McKeiran a real tosser
Armagh tackling or their understanding of what a tackle is, is very poor.
Blow for Teague in his first championship game but he was getting roasted so had to be done.
Tyrone very poor however lots of off the ball dragging by armagh especially on mckenna
HT Armagh 1-6 Tyrone 1-5. Deserved half time lead for the home side. Good open contest, both much improved from their last games.
Armagh should be more in front they had Tyrone on the rack there early on but never got far enough ahead.
Sets it up for a decent 2nd half!
Armagh the better team only leading by 1 point at half time could come back to bite.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 05, 2022, 02:10:02 PM
McKeiran a real tosser
Generally I would agree however the Armagh number 13 is acting like a knob
Bad decision making from Armagh in the latter stages of the first half. Tyrone will be delighted to only be a point behind.
Armagh deservedly ahead. Left too many scores behind tho
Very entertaining game so far.
Proper game of football.
Armagh will regret that half. Should be 6 ahead.
They are wasting Rian ONeill also
I think Armagh did well to survive Tyrone's initial pressure. Tyrone stayed in it, Armagh kicked away some silly passes, but Tyrone also left some scores behind them too.
Tyrone are up for it, but struggling a bit with moving up the gears, hopefully they exert themselves more in the second half and the bench push us over the line. Also important to keep the head, but Armagh look more likely to a lose a man at this stage, but a black card can be easily caught.
Good match at a good intensity with both teams going at it and competing.
Armagh much the better so far; should be further ahead. Good game, winners will be a tough draw for any team
Good start to the 2nd half for Armagh, lead out to three again, Tyrone down to 14 for ten minutes.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2022, 02:36:07 PM
Good start to the 2nd half for Armagh, lead out to three again, Tyrone down to 14 for ten minutes.
Harsh enough black card I thought
No foul at all Armagh diving and feigning injury all day, very poor sportsmanship from Armagh
Harsh black card. Armagh's to lose now.
What a brilliant game of football some outstanding scores. Aidan Nugents turning on a dime for that goal was a superb piece of skill. A typical number 13. Michael McKiernan giving a man of the match performance thus far, going through the half of Armagh that resulted in a great save from Ethan Rafferty only for Connor McKenna to get on the end and just like the goals against Kerry last year, as cool as a breeze never panicked, a quick side step and bang fantastic finish. Then Ethan Rafferty coming charging out to score a fantastic point.
I would argue quality of football better today than the Ulster final? Tyrone growing into the game have the much better bench im sure we will see the two live wire Canavans coming on soon. Maybe Armagh might regret a few of those missed chances when they were on top? Tyrone turn overs huge for them.
Referee having a great game nice touch for Michaela. National anthem beautifully sung. Eamonn Fitzmaurice brilliant anyalsit. No Marty Morrisey thank God.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2022, 02:36:07 PM
Good start to the 2nd half for Armagh, lead out to three again, Tyrone down to 14 for ten minutes.
Harsh enough black card I thought
Diving from Armagh, feigning injury and demanding yellow cards. Worse than any soccer team
Quote from: full moon on June 05, 2022, 02:37:48 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2022, 02:36:07 PM
Good start to the 2nd half for Armagh, lead out to three again, Tyrone down to 14 for ten minutes.
Harsh enough black card I thought
Diving from Armagh, feigning injury and demanding yellow cards. Worse than any soccer team
LOL
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 02:36:39 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 05, 2022, 02:36:07 PM
Good start to the 2nd half for Armagh, lead out to three again, Tyrone down to 14 for ten minutes.
Harsh enough black card I thought
Agree but Donnelly was stupid.
Hardly any play since the black card
Trip not a black card anymore?
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 05, 2022, 02:37:02 PM
What a brilliant game of football some outstanding scores. Aidan Nugents turning on a dime for that goal was a superb piece of skill. A typical number 13. Michael McKiernan giving a man of the match performance thus far, going through the half of Armagh that resulted in a great save from Ethan Rafferty only for Connor McKenna to get on the end and just like the goals against Kerry last year, as cool as a breeze never panicked, a quick side step and bang fantastic finish. Then Ethan Rafferty coming charging out to score a fantastic point.
I would argue quality of football better today than the Ulster final? Tyrone growing into the game have the much better bench im sure we will see the two live wire Canavans coming on soon. Maybe Armagh might regret a few of those missed chances when they were on top? Tyrone turn overs huge for them.
Referee having a great game nice touch for Michaela. National anthem beautifully sung. Eamonn Fitzmaurice brilliant anyalsit. No Marty Morrisey thank God.
More open and less cagey than the Ulster final which was possession obsessed.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 05, 2022, 02:40:25 PM
Hardly any play since the black card
Poor enough stuff.
Another dive from Armagh as Fitzmauricr said there
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 02:41:35 PM
Trip not a black card anymore?
Has to be a deliberate trip!
Burns had u man covered but Hampsey decides to pull O'Neill bck. Armagh have a very big team.
Armagh have went 20mins and just a point from a free.
Canavan's mouth guard straight into his sock!
I feel Coldrick hard on Tyrone here.
Canavan tucking the gumshield into the sock. Another rule that gets ignored by referees
Armagh can't tackle. They'll get a black soon if their not careful
U know it could be u day when the goalkeeper scores from play. Campbell eating them
Quote from: Hound on June 05, 2022, 02:47:02 PM
Canavan's mouth guard straight into his sock!
Silly boy in an Ulster Championship match!
Armagh with their tails up and home crowd very vocal, 1-12 to 1-6 54 mins played.
Jaralth Burns is a fit lad
Armagh have it now
Quote from: anportmorforjfc on May 23, 2022, 12:23:18 PM
Quote from: trailer on May 23, 2022, 12:09:56 PM
Some pressure on Armagh. Lose this and all of Geezers hard work will have come to nothing. Tyrone already proven they're the best. If they lose sure what about it? All good team get beaten and we'll always have 2021. But for Armagh this is everything. If they lose this match with home advantage I don't know where they go after this.
Should you not be more worried about where Tyrone go? Excuses at the ready if Tyrone lose. We always had 2021? All good teams get beaten? You would near think Tyrone could possibly lose this game.
Looking like an armagh win. Surely it's better to win and AI and lose the next year rather than not win it at all? Isn't that armaghs motto 😂
Quote from: Estimator on June 05, 2022, 02:47:39 PM
Canavan tucking the gumshield into the sock. Another rule that gets ignored by referees
Stupid rule it should be a personal choice
Quote from: screenexile on June 05, 2022, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 05, 2022, 02:47:39 PM
Canavan tucking the gumshield into the sock. Another rule that gets ignored by referees
Stupid rule it should be a personal choice
Yeea you should be able to opt out at the start of the year. Just means you forfeit any dental insurance cover
I can't breath with a gum shield in, tried but no joy, lucky enough u didn't have to wear one I'm my day, knew a Ballinderry lad lost the top 4 in a bad shoulder, cost him £2k at the time to sort it.
Quote from: screenexile on June 05, 2022, 02:52:58 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 05, 2022, 02:47:39 PM
Canavan tucking the gumshield into the sock. Another rule that gets ignored by referees
Stupid rule it should be a personal choice
Have you paid for dental treatment recently?!!
Armagh well on top can't see Tyrone coming back 5 point lead.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 05, 2022, 02:56:43 PM
I can't breath with a gun shield in, tried but no joy, lucky enough u didn't have to wear one I'm my day, knew a Ballinderry lad lost the top 4 in a bad shoulder, cost him £2k at the time to sort it.
Jaysus, do we need gun shields now?!!
Good call,
A dirty enough late slap there - was it McKiernan?Took the opportunity.
Quote from: restorepride on June 05, 2022, 03:02:53 PM
A dirty enough late slap there - was it McKiernan?Took the opportunity.
Don't think it was like that, need to see a replay. Thought 2 players collided going for a 50/50 ball
Jesus tyrone are finding it hard to get a free today
No love for either but Tyrone can't buy a free here.
Quote from: charlieTully on June 05, 2022, 03:09:27 PM
No love for either but Tyrone can't buy a free here.
You know it's bad when eamonn even says tyrone can't get a free
Tyrone were similar in 2004, 2006 and 2009. If Carlsberg did back to back Sams they wouldn't sell it in Tyrone
How the f**k did that team win an All Ireland last year??!!
Worse title defence ever, Tyrone for some reason been terrible all year outside of the Kerry game in Killarney.
FT Armagh 1-16 Tyrone 1-10. All Ireland champions dumped out and can have no complaints as Armagh was full value for that 6 point win.
Coldrick Meath ref too cowardly to dole out second yellows to some of the Armagh lads booked in the first half.
Congrats to armagh. Far better team on the day, while tyrone couldn't get a free today I don't think it was the losing of the game. Be interesting to see how far Armagh get. Can't see them making it past quarter finals but we will see.
4 home sides all win their qualifiers. Armagh have to back it up.
Best team won, no doubt.
Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Quote from: Baile an tuaigh on June 05, 2022, 03:18:15 PM
4 home sides all win their qualifiers. Armagh have to back it up.
Kicked and fisted some great scores particularly in the 2nd half. They've no-one to fear in the draw tomorrow
Quote from: screenexile on June 05, 2022, 03:14:31 PM
How the f**k did that team win an All Ireland last year??!!
By beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo.
Tyrone sent home with their tails firmly between their legs, lucky the margin wasn't more than 6 points. Regardless what happens for the rest of championship a great and very memorable day for Armagh.
Armagh great team to watch
Armagh good value for the win. Some of their forwards had a field day out there. Its a long winter from the 5th of June for us but we'll be back in 2023.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2022, 03:23:01 PM
Tyrone sent home with their tails firmly between their legs, lucky the margin wasn't more than 6 points. Regardless what happens for the rest of championship a great and very memorable day for Armagh.
Wouldn't say that. No point in going out in a wimper the next day. Beating tyrone shouldn't be the highlight of a season.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:21:57 PM
Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Tyrone never did back to back. Neither did Donegal. It's actually very hard to do.
Tyrone just couldn't really get going this year. The break of the ball, referee decisions and the flow of momentum just never seemed to go Tyrone's way this year.
Disappointing to see us not back up last year, but think it was hard to do with the short season. On the previous wins, 04 and 06 had serious mitigation factors and we did make the semi-final in 2009 with a team which wasn't as good as the 2003-05 one.
Well played Armagh, I'm happy for McGeeney. Hopefully yis avoid Donegal.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:21:57 PM
Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Took the Dubs 3 attempts to do back to back after failing in 2012 and 2014.
Limerick also failed in the hurling the first time, despite being well the best team (IMO)
Now thats it over, serious questions need asked of whats happening in the Tyrone camp. I really hope Dooher and Logan dont get to stay as long as they want on the back of last year , they look bereft of ideas ,and regardless of what anyone says ,something isnt right . That Michael ONeill gets more game time than darragh Canavan is absolutely insane regardless of what his " job" is ,he brings f**k all to the team at 11 , other than the occasional block - Armaghs 11 was MOTM. Would love to see wee Peter involved but id doubt thats happening anytime soon...
I got the feeling that the Tyrone management, were at odds with themselves. Taking nothing away from Armagh but I do think Tyrone are better than we seen in the last two games.
Nice surprise there, a weakened Armagh team thumping the munchkins for the 3rd time in 5 months. Tyrone were awful again, 3 months ago I was saying on here something wasn't looking right in that Tyrone camp and it hasn't looked right all year bar a league game in Kerry and the 2nd half v Fermanagh in the championship. Maybe the novelty of the dual managers / 2 voices has worn off, but no doubt they'll be back fresher next year. A lot of positives for Armagh.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 03:25:26 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 05, 2022, 03:23:01 PM
Tyrone sent home with their tails firmly between their legs, lucky the margin wasn't more than 6 points. Regardless what happens for the rest of championship a great and very memorable day for Armagh.
Wouldn't say that. No point in going out in a wimper the next day. Beating tyrone shouldn't be the highlight of a season.
To be fair Tyrone are a shadow of what they were last year. They played some great stuff enroute to their AI victory but I wouldn't be getting carried away with todays victory. Armagh need to back it up next day out.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 03:04:00 PM
Quote from: restorepride on June 05, 2022, 03:02:53 PM
A dirty enough late slap there - was it McKiernan?Took the opportunity.
Don't think it was like that, need to see a replay. Thought 2 players collided going for a 50/50 ball
Happened straight in front of me. Pure accidental clash, lad lost his footing. Not right yet to comment other than to say what a win. Completely unexpected but what a win!
Superb Armagh performance, much greater hunger, Soupy gave his best performance yet. Full value for the 6pts win ... just hope it's not another trip to Ballybofey next weekend.
Quote from: Hound on June 05, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Well played Armagh, I'm happy for McGeeney. Hopefully yis avoid Donegal.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:21:57 PM
Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Took the Dubs 3 attempts to do back to back after failing in 2012 and 2014.
Limerick also failed in the hurling the first time, despite being well the best team (IMO)
Yeah, but the Dubs weren't head and shoulders above every other county (bar Mayo) in that 11-14 period.
15-20 they were, when they could cruise to AI titles except for the days when only Mayo could consistently put up a fight.
Its a lot harder for one of the pack teams to reach those levels in successive seasons. They can pull form and fitness together on a given year, but relatively superior skill and ability aren't there for those teams like they always were for Dublin.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 05, 2022, 03:55:19 PM
Superb Armagh performance, much greater hunger, Soupy gave his best performance yet. Full value for the 6pts win ... just hope it's not another trip to Ballybofey next weekend.
Will they not be kept apart - since that is achieveable.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 05, 2022, 03:55:19 PM
Superb Armagh performance, much greater hunger, Soupy gave his best performance yet. Full value for the 6pts win ... just hope it's not another trip to Ballybofey next weekend.
Trust me, Donegal don't want that either.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 05, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Well played Armagh, I'm happy for McGeeney. Hopefully yis avoid Donegal.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:21:57 PM
Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Took the Dubs 3 attempts to do back to back after failing in 2012 and 2014.
Limerick also failed in the hurling the first time, despite being well the best team (IMO)
Yeah, but the Dubs weren't head and shoulders above every other county (bar Mayo) in that 11-14 period.
15-20 they were, when they could cruise to AI titles except for the days when only Mayo could consistently put up a fight.
Its a lot harder for one of the pack teams to reach those levels in successive seasons. They can pull form and fitness together on a given year, but relatively superior skill and ability aren't there for those teams like they always were for Dublin.
Mayo didn't make it out of the qualifiers in 2018 and were well beaten by Dublin in 2019 and 2020.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 05, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Well played Armagh, I'm happy for McGeeney. Hopefully yis avoid Donegal.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:21:57 PM
Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Took the Dubs 3 attempts to do back to back after failing in 2012 and 2014.
Limerick also failed in the hurling the first time, despite being well the best team (IMO)
Yeah, but the Dubs weren't head and shoulders above every other county (bar Mayo) in that 11-14 period.
15-20 they were, when they could cruise to AI titles except for the days only Mayo consistently put up a fight.
Its a lot harder for one of the pack teams to reach those levels in successive seasons.
I think Mayo were able to compete with Dublin, but debatable if Mayo were far ahead, if at all, of Tyrone and Kerry at the time. It's not a simple case of x team being better than y and z teams. Some teams are just more suited to compete with certain other teams. Tyrone were there abouts with Kerry and Mayo for most of the last ten years. Kerry, Dublin and Mayo also were coming out of provinces where there were clearly inferior teams for most of those years.
Armagh deserved their win, thought they played well. Had a good game plan and won a lot of 1 on 1 battles. Agree with the sentiment Tyrone couldn't get a free all day, in general I think the knives were out for Tyrone all year, didn't help themselves at times but looking at the reds and black cards they picked up through the league and championship you just don't see other teams refereed the same way. Everything infraction is hammered.
That being said they were a shadow of their performances last year and were deservedly beaten by impressive Derry and Armagh teams on the day.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:57:27 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 05, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Well played Armagh, I'm happy for McGeeney. Hopefully yis avoid Donegal.
Quote from: J70 on June 05, 2022, 03:21:57 PM
Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Took the Dubs 3 attempts to do back to back after failing in 2012 and 2014.
Limerick also failed in the hurling the first time, despite being well the best team (IMO)
Yeah, but the Dubs weren't head and shoulders above every other county (bar Mayo) in that 11-14 period.
15-20 they were, when they could cruise to AI titles except for the days when only Mayo could consistently put up a fight.
Its a lot harder for one of the pack teams to reach those levels in successive seasons. They can pull form and fitness together on a given year, but relatively superior skill and ability aren't there for those teams like they always were for Dublin.
They can't do what Dublin could. Dublin won 8 all Irelands between 2011 and 2020. Donegal, Kerry and Throne won 1 each. Mayo won nothing. Dublin sucked all of the oxygen out of the atmosphere. It was, or maybe still is, a monoculture. The rest don't have a hope of building anything as long as Dublin leverages its superior population .
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2022, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 05, 2022, 03:14:31 PM
How the f**k did that team win an All Ireland last year??!!
By beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo.
Tyrone must be the worst team to win the All-Ireland.
Very poor.
Ok, then Dublin were far ahead of just about everyone in that six in a row period.
Which is my point. Many counties can pull together, give it everything in terms of commitment, fitness and, if all goes well, form, for a season, but find it hard to lift it to those levels year after year. Tyrone are there this year. We in Donegal were there in 2013 and then after 2014 when age and our diminishing tactical advantage caught up with us.
Dublin's superior ability and athleticism removed some of the reliance on intense effort which other teams need. They were rarely put to the pin of their collars or thrown into a dogfight against teams of similar ability, so they were able to cruise through many games and still win it all.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 05, 2022, 03:55:19 PM
Superb Armagh performance, much greater hunger, Soupy gave his best performance yet. Full value for the 6pts win ... just hope it's not another trip to Ballybofey next weekend.
Won't be there anyway as the round 2 games will be played in neutral venues
Great performance by Armagh we reverted back to a good mix of kicking and running game and were good value for the 6 point win. Rafferty was excellent in goals and full credit to geezer for sticking with him and making him a big part of the game plan. He directly contributed to 4 points today. Two from play, won a converted free and saved a Tyrone point. On any other day he would have been MOTM but you couldn't look past soupy who was outstanding from the first whistle to the last. He must be one of the best players to watch in the country, none of this backwards sideways crap that we see too often with most players. Rian O'Neill had a big influence as well as the game went on and his long kicking is a huge weapon. There were other good performances but every man emptied themselves and that's all you can ask. It does beg the question as to why we deviated from a kicking game in Ballybofey because that is when we are at our best and the crowd get behind it. For some reason geezer always flops in Ulster but thrives in the qualifiers.
We made plenty of mistakes too and you could argue we left about 3-3 behind us on the scoreboard but you have to accept a certain level of mistakes when you play more of a kicking game but I'm delighted we played that way. We won't win an AI but at least we will have had a proper go.
I wouldn't be too hard on Tyrone they have struggled to recapture the heights probably due to a fall in motivation levels and a few of their players didn't seem to have the fire in the belly needed. Apart from McKernan and to a lesser extent McCurry and Meyler they were really poor but a lot of the credit has to go to Armagh and their ferocious tackling. We made it physical and won that battle.
Credit too to Coldrick who I thought was excellent as referee.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2022, 04:39:21 PM
Great performance by Armagh we reverted back to a good mix of kicking and running game and were good value for the 6 point win. Rafferty was excellent in goals and full credit to geezer for sticking with him and making him a big part of the game plan. He directly contributed to 4 points today. Two from play, won a converted free and saved a Tyrone point. On any other day he would have been MOTM but you couldn't look past soupy who was outstanding from the first whistle to the last. He must be one of the best players to watch in the country, none of this backwards sideways crap that we see too often with most players. Rian O'Neill had a big influence as well as the game went on and his long kicking is a huge weapon. There were other good performances but every man emptied themselves and that's all you can ask. It does beg the question as to why we deviated from a kicking game in Ballybofey because that is when we are at our best and the crowd get behind it. For some reason geezer always flops in Ulster but thrives in the qualifiers.
We made plenty of mistakes too and you could argue we left about 3-3 behind us on the scoreboard but you have to accept a certain level of mistakes when you play more of a kicking game but I'm delighted we played that way. We won't win an AI but at least we will have had a proper go.
I wouldn't be too hard on Tyrone they have struggled to recapture the heights probably due to a fall in motivation levels and a few of their players didn't seem to have the fire in the belly needed. Apart from McKernan and to a lesser extent McCurry and Meyler they were really poor but a lot of the credit has to go to Armagh and their ferocious tackling. We made it physical and won that battle.
Credit too to Coldrick who I thought was excellent as referee.
Wouldn't agree regarding coldrick. Even eamonn commented that tyrone weren't getting frees in the 2nd half. Thought armagh got their frees far far handier than Tyrone.
Quote from: marty34 on June 05, 2022, 04:16:15 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on June 05, 2022, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: screenexile on June 05, 2022, 03:14:31 PM
How the f**k did that team win an All Ireland last year??!!
By beating Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Kerry and Mayo.
Tyrone must be the worst team to win the All-Ireland.
Very poor.
From 96 to 98 the winners of the All Ireland failed to retain their title
From 99 to 01 the same 3 teams each won a second title and flopped the next year.
Back to back titles are comparatively rare.
Well done Armagh, I was a bit apprehensive after that poorly defended goal for Tyrone in the first 5 minutes, but Armagh got stuck on.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 04:48:46 PM
Wouldn't agree regarding coldrick. Even eamonn commented that tyrone weren't getting frees in the 2nd half. Thought armagh got their frees far far handier than Tyrone.
This "Tyrone couldn't buy a free" is in the eye of the beholder. Anyone can point to plenty of cases for both team where a free might have been given. Soupy Campbell was magnificent. Someone in the Armagh training regime seems to have decided that June was the time to have players fit and Soupy was running up and down the field like a man 10 years younger.
That said, Tyrone were poor enough, there is still room for improvement. Armagh made a number of poor passes that lost possession, that number needs to be halved.
Observations after the game
1. Armagh were very good. Had game plan. Stuck to it and deserved winners.
2. Tyrone were awful, once again. Serious question marks over the hunger and performance of several in that team.
3. More questions need asked of Dooher/Logan. Tactically out-thougt all season.
4. Armagh, with a bit more belief, could do very very well. They have the forwards to cause any team trouble.
5. Coldrick, as per usual, gave Tyrone nothing. He's a brutal ref.
Anyway - well done Armagh and good luck on the rest of the season.
Great game for Armagh, the sound from the crowd all around the Grounds was immense. Hard Luck to Tyrone, but it laughable the ones on here complaining, they were diving all over the show and getting very easy frees in 1st half, at 1 stage Hampsey was on the back of one of our boys......Armagh were unlucky not to have been further ahead. After the Injury to Mackin (which i hope he is OK) and long delay, Tyrone got a few points but thankfully Armagh kept going, so hopefully they keep this kind of play up for the next game. Armagh Abu!
Tyrone never really got going this year .
McCurry scored 7 today. 4 were from frees. He missed a couple too. This Tyrone couldn't buy a free talk is just that. Talk
Was at the game and had to say it looked like goldrick wasn't giving Tyrone much, that being said it wasn't the winning or losing of the game, Tyrone tactics were awful, played safe football at all times and kickout strategy seemed to be non-existent. Armagh had a more attacking brand of football and weren't afraid to take risks and it paid off, would like to see them kick on now and do a bit of damage in the AI series.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 05:32:22 PM
McCurry scored 7 today. 4 were from frees. He missed a couple too. This Tyrone couldn't buy a free talk is just that. Talk
It's the cross they carry, year in, year out. ::)
has the reigning all ireland champiions ever been dumped out after only two games since backdoor system was introduced.3 games i forgot fermanagh game they played.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 05:32:22 PM
McCurry scored 7 today. 4 were from frees. He missed a couple too. This Tyrone couldn't buy a free talk is just that. Talk
Tell the commentators that. They are the ones who said it
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 05:32:22 PM
McCurry scored 7 today. 4 were from frees. He missed a couple too. This Tyrone couldn't buy a free talk is just that. Talk
Tell the commentators that. They are the ones who said it
Give the commentators the stats
Quote from: Eire90 on June 05, 2022, 05:47:14 PM
has the reigning all ireland champiions ever been dumped out after only two games since backdoor system was introduc
ed.3 games i forgot fermanagh game they played.
2006 Tyrone beat by Derry ,won against Louth, put out by Laois. Took attempts to beat Louth, so 4 games.
We are just not good at defending All Ireland titles.
I've never been a big pusher of the line that Tyrone are divers but Coldrick wasn't buying what they were selling today. No doubt some genuine mistakes were made but there was some serious diving going on today.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 05:32:22 PM
McCurry scored 7 today. 4 were from frees. He missed a couple too. This Tyrone couldn't buy a free talk is just that. Talk
Tell the commentators that. They are the ones who said it
They probably felt sorry for Tyrone.
Quote from: tyroneman on June 05, 2022, 05:52:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 05, 2022, 05:47:14 PM
has the reigning all ireland champiions ever been dumped out after only two games since backdoor system was introduc
ed.3 games i forgot fermanagh game they played.
2006 Tyrone beat by Derry ,won against Louth, put out by Laois. Took attempts to beat Louth, so 4 games.
We are just not good at defending All Ireland titles.
And Kerry seem to always win it when Tyrone are unable to defend the title.
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Quote from: tyroneman on June 05, 2022, 05:52:35 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 05, 2022, 05:47:14 PM
has the reigning all ireland champiions ever been dumped out after only two games since backdoor system was introduc
ed.3 games i forgot fermanagh game they played.
2006 Tyrone beat by Derry ,won against Louth, put out by Laois. Took attempts to beat Louth, so 4 games.
We are just not good at defending All Ireland titles.
And Kerry seem to always win it when Tyrone are unable to defend the title.
Kerry always seem to lose close finals too. They either win easy or lose.
On the weekend that is in it, with all going on away from the pitch, not here to gloat or poke fun/troll
On the day we were marginally better and Tyrone were poor.
All this crack about winning a poor All Ireland, I'd take a second one if we beat Kilkenny in a replay to win it.
You won it. You deserved it. You enjoyed it.
Thought all fans showed immense class, during the 2 rounds of applause.
Many things divide us but much much more unites us.
Quote from: Eire90 on June 05, 2022, 05:47:14 PM
has the reigning all ireland champiions ever been dumped out after only two games since backdoor system was introduced.3 games i forgot fermanagh game they played.
Can't remember the last time the All-Ireland winners didn't reach their provincial final the following year.
One noticeable thing from this season is that Armagh are not conceding anywhere near the same amount of scoreable free kicks and today was no different. I thought their tackling was generally very good and they turned over Tyrone successfully on several occasions. After the opening goal, apart from the time Rafferty was dispossessed I can't really remember another time during the match when the Armagh defence was breached for goal. Also rather surprisingly, the Armagh bench made a much bigger contribution in comparision to Tyrone. Turbitt scored a good point and Murnin made an excellent cameo offering another out ball in that last 10 minutes.
For Tyrone I thought Morgan, Donnelly and Harte were all poor today. Donnelly and Harte in particular were great servants to Tyrone but I'd expect them to finish up now that they have won an AI title. Donnelly whether through injury or not seems to have lost a lot of mobility and his game was based largely on physicality and running power. Maybe Morgan might hang on a while given the fact that he is a goalkeeper. Much bigger issues for them are the form of McKenna and McShane who has not been the same player since he was given the big package deal a few years back. McGeary has also regressed this season for whatever reason. It could well be the case that Dooher and Logan might step aside themselves. They probably won an AI unexpectedly last year and can still leave as a massive success. It's hard for 2 men with full time jobs to give the necessary commitment needed at county level for a long sustained period.
I really don't get where the Tyrone complaints about the referee are coming from, I thought Coldrick was excellent and allowed the game to flow as much as he could.
Armagh looked the part. I thought as well as Campbell and rafferty, that James Morgan was outstanding. Murnin is a handful as well and a great impact sub. They're definitely a whole lot better than I thought, with Tyrone being a whole lot worse.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/feargal-logan-and-brian-dooher-bask-in-the-glow-of-all-ireland-success-1.4671709
The question I would say is: why do you have to wait a year or two," explained Dooher before the team departed Croke Park on Saturday evening.
"You only get one chance and you make the most of it whenever you can. Let's face it, we had the rub of the green at times and we needed it. Particularly the semi-final, when we used up a right bit of luck. And today, too, we used up a right bit of it. But the way we look at it is: don't wait until tomorrow. You know, do what you can today. And don't put off anything that you can do today. And them boys did that. You never know. You might never be back again in an All-Ireland final. And you have to grasp that opportunity."
Today doesn't matter. 50 years from now people will know what happened last year. There is only one winner every year.
Watch the All Ireland Final or semi last year and then watch any game we played this year. Total chalk and cheese.
Was it lack of hunger? Something not right behind the scenes?
They brought us a lot of unexpected delight last year so wouldn't be hard on the players in the slightest.
Armagh were fine today but I think an elite team would have hockeyed Tyrone. Armagh as good as any team in that draw and should progress to the quarters.
Quote from: grounded on June 05, 2022, 06:44:15 PM
Armagh looked the part. I thought as well as Campbell and rafferty, that James Morgan was outstanding. Murnin is a handful as well and a great impact sub. They're definitely a whole lot better than I thought, with Tyrone being a whole lot worse.
Morgan was indeed excellent as he has been all season. I think the penny has finally dropped with his over exuberance and constant fouling he is having his best year in an Armagh jersey I'd say.
Ideally we avoid Donegal in the draw again and getting sucked back into that defensive stuff. I think Kildare or Roscommon would both be 50/50 games while we should account for Limerick.
I am glad Armagh won but I wouldn't fear them if they reached the QF. The only team I fear is Mayo.
I think armagh have every chance of an all ireland appearance if they can avoid donegal tomorrow and then go into the derry/galway side of the draw. I think the big prize would be beyond them though
Not gonna lie but thought Tyrone would have had too much for us today...I was a bit shocked how poor they played and a bit shocked how well Armagh played. I said it on here two times in the last few weeks that KMcG has to play Campbell from the start and not this 25-30 min cameo role, he's too good to be on the bench and today proved it. I know he's a club mate of mine and sometimes you can be biased towards your own but not in this case...the lad when on his game is pure class. Most Armagh men played well and won their individual battles which gave them confidence as the game wore on. The draw will be tough no matter who Armagh get as History tells us we struggle to put back to back good performances together but just glad to be in the hat for tomorrow's draw.
As for Tyrone...Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say it wasn't our year and when things don't fall for you no matter how hard you try you're always against the wind, Tyrone will be back stronger next year for sure so get behind your new Armagh buddies and cheer us on for as far as we can go (hopefully we can get at the Derry wans later in the Championship). Was nice to see the crowd acknowledge the Harte and McAreavey families for the vile and utter (actually there are no words to describe these people) bigotry and sectarian abuse they received a few days ago.
Well done Armagh, no complaints, and very well deserved MOTM for Stefan Campbell, class act.
Quote from: tyrone08 on June 05, 2022, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 05:32:22 PM
McCurry scored 7 today. 4 were from frees. He missed a couple too. This Tyrone couldn't buy a free talk is just that. Talk
Tell the commentators that. They are the ones who said it
Maybe they meant the referee wasn't falling for their dives. ;)
The big difference in Armagh is they are making teams now go down the wings were they do the fouling. Making sure they can funnell players back then. As a Dublin poster put it the ref hadn't the balls to send a few of double yellow. Everyone says it's poor tackling but it's far from it. Kermit took 7 steps for the goal
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2022, 07:36:58 PM
Not gonna lie but thought Tyrone would have had too much for us today...I was a bit shocked how poor they played and a bit shocked how well Armagh played. I said it on here two times in the last few weeks that KMcG has to play Campbell from the start and not this 25-30 min cameo role, he's too good to be on the bench and today proved it. I know he's a club mate of mine and sometimes you can be biased towards your own but not in this case...the lad when on his game is pure class. Most Armagh men played well and won their individual battles which gave them confidence as the game wore on. The draw will be tough no matter who Armagh get as History tells us we struggle to put back to back good performances together but just glad to be in the hat for tomorrow's draw.
As for Tyrone...Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say it wasn't our year and when things don't fall for you no matter how hard you try you're always against the wind, Tyrone will be back stronger next year for sure so get behind your new Armagh buddies and cheer us on for as far as we can go (hopefully we can get at the Derry wans later in the Championship). Was nice to see the crowd acknowledge the Harte and McAreavey families for the vile and utter (actually there are no words to describe these people) bigotry and sectarian abuse they received a few days ago.
Good summary, fair play lad
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on June 05, 2022, 07:09:53 PM
I am glad Armagh won but I wouldn't fear them if they reached the QF. The only team I fear is Mayo.
Would love to meet Mayo as that would mean Armagh had made it to at least an all Ireland semi final. Won't be many easy games to get there mind
Tyrone turned the ball over 19 times today. 18 times against Derry. Just not sustainable. Probably shows the work rate form Derry and Armagh overall was higher than us. There were several times today Armagh were streaking up the field with an overlap into a vacant Tyrone defence. Never happened once for Tyrone. The on pitch set-up of the teams seemed much better from McGeeney today.
Not too upset by this. Last year the seed was resewn that Tyrone can beat all in front of them when it clicks. Quite frankly, that belief was nearly dead after 2018. We have u20 champs coming up, decent minors and a squad of ex champs egging the whole thing on. The sense of entitlement that works in Dublin, Kerry's favour doesn't work for us and that's just the way it is so back to back's may only happen once in a generation, if ever. In 2003, 2005, 2008, 2021, we were the best and there will be more to come. Why do I fancy Mayo this year?
Not that it matters now but what was the Donnelly black card for? Sunday Game have it on twitter but of course it's geoblocked ::)
Wonder where the Tyrone posters who said we only beat them in the league because we were ahead in our conditioning are tonight? Thoroughly deserved victory today. We returned to using a lot more direct ball today and using our strengths. It makes the performance in Ballybofey all the more disappointing. Not that I would take any other opposition for granted but we REALLY don't want Donegal next week. Are the games at a neutral venue or are the beaten finalists guaranteed a home draw?
Quote from: greatpoint on June 05, 2022, 06:23:43 PM
Quote from: Eire90 on June 05, 2022, 05:47:14 PM
has the reigning all ireland champiions ever been dumped out after only two games since backdoor system was introduced.3 games i forgot fermanagh game they played.
Can't remember the last time the All-Ireland winners didn't reach their provincial final the following year.
The previous AI winners are not playing in USFC every year, otherwise this would happen more often.
Quote from: square_ball on June 05, 2022, 08:35:03 PM
Not that it matters now but what was the Donnelly black card for? Sunday Game have it on twitter but of course it's geoblocked ::)
He pulled back Crealy. It was harsh
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 05, 2022, 08:54:18 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 05, 2022, 08:35:03 PM
Not that it matters now but what was the Donnelly black card for? Sunday Game have it on twitter but of course it's geoblocked ::)
He pulled back Crealy. It was harsh
It was very harsh to ge honest. Barely touched creally but it was the linesman who called it. Also felt Rafferty was very lucky to escape a card the time he lost the ball in the middle third that gave Tyrone the goal chance but no arguments Armagh were fully deserving winners and could have won by more
Very impressed with Rafferty, Morgan and Soupy Campbell. Grugan was decent but I actually think he is the player that makes Armagh click - a real quality player who always seems to make the right decision every time he is on the ball. Best wishes going forward in the AI series.
Quote from: seafoid on June 05, 2022, 06:45:56 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/feargal-logan-and-brian-dooher-bask-in-the-glow-of-all-ireland-success-1.4671709
The question I would say is: why do you have to wait a year or two," explained Dooher before the team departed Croke Park on Saturday evening.
"You only get one chance and you make the most of it whenever you can. Let's face it, we had the rub of the green at times and we needed it. Particularly the semi-final, when we used up a right bit of luck. And today, too, we used up a right bit of it. But the way we look at it is: don't wait until tomorrow. You know, do what you can today. And don't put off anything that you can do today. And them boys did that. You never know. You might never be back again in an All-Ireland final. And you have to grasp that opportunity."
I remember reading that after the final and thinking he was right. God only knows when Mayo will be back in a final. Could be this year (highly unlikely) or we could be waiting for ages i.e. 1951-1989 scenario. Carpe diem and Tyrone seized the day last year.
Any update on how the young lad mackin is?
Hopefully all is ok
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That was impressive from Armagh.
I've always had doubts about the cult of McGeeney but he had them motivated and well organised today. Didn't think Soupy had a full 70 mins in him like that, but he had and more, and Rian looked like a lord during his cameo at midfield. Jarly Og might have busted his GPS.
Would love somehow Armagh and Mayo stay in it long enough to meet each other. Would be a game for the purists if ever there was one.
Tyrone played like a team who weren't sure if they wanted a long summer. They'll be back harder than ever next season. That we can be sure.
Armagh the better side and taking nothing from them.
Curious there is not more talk of Nugent raising his hand to Teague early on. It looked, albeit there was no replay, a red card?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 05, 2022, 09:03:43 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 05, 2022, 06:45:56 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/feargal-logan-and-brian-dooher-bask-in-the-glow-of-all-ireland-success-1.4671709
The question I would say is: why do you have to wait a year or two," explained Dooher before the team departed Croke Park on Saturday evening.
"You only get one chance and you make the most of it whenever you can. Let's face it, we had the rub of the green at times and we needed it. Particularly the semi-final, when we used up a right bit of luck. And today, too, we used up a right bit of it. But the way we look at it is: don't wait until tomorrow. You know, do what you can today. And don't put off anything that you can do today. And them boys did that. You never know. You might never be back again in an All-Ireland final. And you have to grasp that opportunity."
I remember reading that after the final and thinking he was right. God only knows when Mayo will be back in a final. Could be this year (highly unlikely) or we could be waiting for ages i.e. 1951-1989 scenario. Carpe diem and Tyrone seized the day last year.
He was really on the ball. They are very quotable. That bit would make a great song. Maybe Fleetwood Mac could do the music.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 05, 2022, 09:31:11 PM
Armagh the better side and taking nothing from them.
Curious there is not more talk of Nugent raising his hand to Teague early on. It looked, albeit there was no replay, a red card?
Said the same, considering Kennedy got the red for something on same level.
Congratulations to Armagh, well deserved winners. Tyrone unfortunately a pale shadow of the team of last summer. The hope was that after a very mixed season that the Derry defeat might have focused minds a bit. Despite the early goal however it soon became clear that wasn't the case, with Tyrone looking like a collection of individuals rather than a team. A disaster of a season really, started badly and never really got going at all.
Think it was more of a must win for Armagh. However much a wasted season it has been for Tyrone, they got to the top of the mountain last year. Armagh under McGeeney have had a lot of false dawns and he probably couldn't afford to lose today. Be interesting now to see if they can build on this.
Tyrone lost 3 times to Armagh this year
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on June 05, 2022, 09:31:11 PM
Armagh the better side and taking nothing from them.
Curious there is not more talk of Nugent raising his hand to Teague early on. It looked, albeit there was no replay, a red card?
lol I thought exactly the same. It was a slap to the head, not saying there was a whole lot in it but it was the same as the Kennedy one which got him sent off
Quote from: Under Lights on June 05, 2022, 10:22:24 PM
Tyrone lost 3 times to Armagh this year
Never in the history of the GAA has a team won the All-Ireland 4 times in the one year, history beckons!
Naw in all seriousness, good luck to Armagh and all the remaining Ulster teams in both Sam and Tailteann.
Any word yet on who left the car engine running and went on into the match? 😮
Quote from: redzone on June 05, 2022, 08:05:16 PM
The big difference in Armagh is they are making teams now go down the wings were they do the fouling. Making sure they can funnell players back then. As a Dublin poster put it the ref hadn't the balls to send a few of double yellow. Everyone says it's poor tackling but it's far from it. Kermit took 7 steps for the goal
Dry your eyes
Great game of football on display yesterday and some great scores. My summary
Armagh
I though they won the majority of their battles across the pitch. Playing Rafferty in nets when the midfield options were sparce was a brave decision.
Very impressed with Morgan in the backline, he seems to have cut out the reckless fouling he was becoming known for and made some crucial, direct runs.
The Armagh bench flattered as well, great to see Murnin get a few scores and Turbitt tipping over with one also. Thought grugan had a very subdued game.
Tyrone
With the Jekyll and Hyde season they had it was hard to see what was going to turn up today. Their early goal should have made them kick on and try and establish a lead on Armagh, but they allowed them back into the game too easy.
Some of the bigger players never showed up, Donnelly was anonymous as was Harte as the game progressed. Killpatrick was a miss also, Tyrone struggled around the middle in terms of kickouts and runners breaking the lines.
Management have to look at the decision to hand number 2 his debut. Maybe it was a lack of belief that Nugent would be a big scoring threat for Armagh, but he had a tough day at the office and McGeary sorted that as soon as he came on.
Also found it odd Canavan wasn't introduced earlier. He is a direct player and his first time getting the ball he went straight through the middle of the Armagh defence and got fouled for a free.
Referee
I thought he done alright considering. I noticed a few Tyrone frees, the players were playing for the fouls, leaning into the Armagh players as the tackles were coming in. The ref will tend to give the man on the ball the benefit of the doubt, but it's a small bit of gamesmanship that they could have held off on until later in the second half. A few times it was attempted and Tyrone got penalised for it when they needed possession the most.
Again this was an ideal match for both teams, again I felt there was no point in a handy draw and extending the inevitable. For Tyrone, a mental break until Christmas time is the best thing for a lot of those players. You can rest assured they will come back swinging next year.
Well done to Armagh. Well worth their victory and played some great football to boot.
Chat about the ref not being good only distracts from the lack of urgency there seemed to be in Tyrone this year. Bit of a reset required and perhaps some new personnel for start of next year.
Hopefully a few like Burns, McShane, McGeary can go back to the clubs and pull together some performances . It all seemed like a chore to some of them this year, so maybe a long break like this will give them a chance to get the hungry back. Plus with some of the U20's raring to get a chance it's not all doom and gloom.
I'd definitely have questions over the management. Tactically we just don't seem to be able to change up during games anymore. And a bit slow to react to some obvious dangers. But they have a bit in the tank from last year. But they also looked a bit jaded this year. Managing Tyrone isn't an easy job and you'll always have the complainers. It's bound to take its toll when things aren't going well.
Good luck to Armagh for the rest of the year. With Derry and Armagh starting to get competitive, Ulsters still in a good position. Just don't see an AI coming this year unfortunately. That said, I didn't see one last year either!!
Armagh by a mile the better team on the day.
However, like the Derry v Tyrone game its difficult to judge how good Armagh were as Tyrone were brutal.
The kicking game certainly suits Armagh I think. They've also improved defensively. The keeper was a master stroke, but not sure he'd get the free run in the next game.
Tyrone have a long way to go to get back I think.
There definitely seems to be something amiss in the camp.
To have so many defections on an AI winning team shows something isnt right.
We havent performed all year - the game in Killarney was a nothing game to Kerry so you could discount it.
We have been average to poor in every other game this season.
Bringing on McGlennon would be a serious kick in the teeth for any other man on the bench given he just joined the panel.
The two managers have to take responsibility for leaving Campbell free for so long - it was like he was a free man FFS.
A break will do us no harm.
Best wishes to our near neighbours - but I would hasten to add that it is no big deal beating us this year
Quote from: Taylor on June 06, 2022, 10:57:58 AM
There definitely seems to be something amiss in the camp.
To have so many defections on an AI winning team shows something isnt right.
We havent performed all year - the game in Killarney was a nothing game to Kerry so you could discount it.
We have been average to poor in every other game this season.
Bringing on McGlennon would be a serious kick in the teeth for any other man on the bench given he just joined the panel.
The two managers have to take responsibility for leaving Campbell free for so long - it was like he was a free man FFS.
A break will do us no harm.
Best wishes to our near neighbours - but I would hasten to add that it is no big deal beating us this year
Why does something have to be amiss?
Up until Mayo beat Dublin last year, deep down, not one person in the Tyrone camp really believed they could win an All Ireland. Dublin were just better than them and 95% of the Tyrone panel had the scars to prove it.
Then over the course of 5 weeks, an experienced and talented group of players gained belief, came together and delivered.
They were never going to a be a 3-in-a-row kind of side as actually winning an AI final was absolute bonus territory. They have achieved their holy grail.
So anyone expecting them to come out this year with focused determination to prove themselves a team for the ages, was, well, misplaced in their expectations.
Give it a season or two for the most fiercely competitive current squad players to take the younger players under the wing, ms dislodge those who just don't have the same fires in their bellies, and Tyrone will be back competing again.
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Quote from: Taylor on June 06, 2022, 10:57:58 AM
There definitely seems to be something amiss in the camp.
To have so many defections on an AI winning team shows something isnt right.
We havent performed all year - the game in Killarney was a nothing game to Kerry so you could discount it.
We have been average to poor in every other game this season.
Bringing on McGlennon would be a serious kick in the teeth for any other man on the bench given he just joined the panel.
The two managers have to take responsibility for leaving Campbell free for so long - it was like he was a free man FFS.
A break will do us no harm.
Best wishes to our near neighbours - but I would hasten to add that it is no big deal beating us this year
Why does something have to be amiss?
Up until Mayo beat Dublin last year, deep down, not one person in the Tyrone camp really believed they could win an All Ireland. Dublin were just better than them and 95% of the Tyrone panel had the scars to prove it.
Then over the course of 5 weeks, an experienced and talented group of players gained belief, came together and delivered.
They were never going to a be a 3-in-a-row kind of side as actually winning an AI final was absolute bonus territory. They have achieved their holy grail.
So anyone expecting them to come out this year with focused determination to prove themselves a team for the ages, was, well, misplaced in their expectations.
Give it a season or two for the most fiercely competitive current squad players to take the younger players under the wing, ms dislodge those who just don't have the same fires in their bellies, and Tyrone will be back competing again.
It's the deflections that would raise question marks tbh and the manor or defeat in some games. I don't think they are serial AI champions. But I do think they have better players than both Derry and Armagh (No disrespect intended, just my opinion).
I agree we'll be back, we have been there or thereabouts for the guts of 20 odd years now. And there seems to be a supply of stronger players beginning to rear its head again. So fingers crossed. But I don't think it's crazy territory to wonder what caused the deflections and poor performances this year. Maybe it was nothing but lack of hunger. But we're not Dublin, That was these guys first AI. And given the shorter commitment required this year I'd be surprised at that. And if it was, I would expect the management to address that better and at least get a better tune from them. We didn't turn into a bad team overnight. So there's always a cause imo.
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
But it's not, because you are just throwing out a possibility same as everyone else.
It's not one I'd subscribe to tbh, it may be part of the issue but in my view I think there were other issues. So we're hardly losing the run of ourselves to be discussing them.
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
But it's not, because you are just throwing out a possibility same as everyone else.
It's not one I'd subscribe to tbh, it may be part of the issue but in my view I think there were other issues. So we're hardly losing the run of ourselves to be discussing them.
Imo the issue is Tyrone played Division 1, beat a few Ulster teams but were never really genuine All Ireland contenders in the years before 2021. Dublin and Mayo were the two contenders 2015 - 2020. Tyrone got a bit of luck last season and my guess is many in the Tyrone camp knew that, and realise getting it again would be unlikely.
Tyrone 2022 are similar to Tyrone pre 2020, they'll battle on but when challenged by a good team in the championship they more than not fall the wrong side of the result. The previous management team imo worked wonders with Tyrone football and the new management team benefited off the back of that but got the luck around the semi final issues.
Tyrone will regroup but this season shouldn't be a big shock, there'll be more defeats and early exits in the years ahead whilst they rebuild.
Don't expect Tyrone ones will be too disappointed when the dust settles. Winning the AI last year, and the gravy train rumbling on with more underage success, should lessen the pain a bit. Most counties' supporters would be more than happy with that scenario and challenging every few years!
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
But it's not, because you are just throwing out a possibility same as everyone else.
It's not one I'd subscribe to tbh, it may be part of the issue but in my view I think there were other issues. So we're hardly losing the run of ourselves to be discussing them.
Imo the issue is Tyrone played Division 1, beat a few Ulster teams but were never really genuine All Ireland contenders in the years before 2021. Dublin and Mayo were the two contenders 2015 - 2020. Tyrone got a bit of luck last season and my guess is many in the Tyrone camp knew that, and realise getting it again would be unlikely.
Tyrone 2022 are similar to Tyrone pre 2020, they'll battle on but when challenged by a good team in the championship they more than not fall the wrong side of the result. The previous management team imo worked wonders with Tyrone football and the new management team benefited off the back of that but got the luck around the semi final issues.
Tyrone will regroup but this season shouldn't be a big shock, there'll be more defeats and early exits in the years ahead whilst they rebuild.
Not winning an AI again definitely isn't a shock. But I'd have fancied them to get to the later stages at least. We usually do. More the manner in which we bowed out tbh. And the fact that we didn't click all year. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and the under age looks good. But still poses some questions.
Is there anything to be said against members of the backroom team double and triple jobbing? How many teams can someone be involved in before their headspace becomes so full of the various teams, players, schedules, venues, opposition, referees that they lose focus or burn out? You would think the Tyrone ticket is the biggest call-up you can get and while involved its the only show in town. Peaking in sport isn't a phenomenon exclusive to players, managers and backroom need to be at it that bit more during the business end too, if you're trying to peak for 2 or 3 different teams who are all at different stages of their season, when does the well run dry?
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
But it's not, because you are just throwing out a possibility same as everyone else.
It's not one I'd subscribe to tbh, it may be part of the issue but in my view I think there were other issues. So we're hardly losing the run of ourselves to be discussing them.
Imo the issue is Tyrone played Division 1, beat a few Ulster teams but were never really genuine All Ireland contenders in the years before 2021. Dublin and Mayo were the two contenders 2015 - 2020. Tyrone got a bit of luck last season and my guess is many in the Tyrone camp knew that, and realise getting it again would be unlikely.
Tyrone 2022 are similar to Tyrone pre 2020, they'll battle on but when challenged by a good team in the championship they more than not fall the wrong side of the result. The previous management team imo worked wonders with Tyrone football and the new management team benefited off the back of that but got the luck around the semi final issues.
Tyrone will regroup but this season shouldn't be a big shock, there'll be more defeats and early exits in the years ahead whilst they rebuild.
Not winning an AI again definitely isn't a shock. But I'd have fancied them to get to the later stages at least. We usually do. More the manner in which we bowed out tbh. And the fact that we didn't click all year. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and the under age looks good. But still poses some questions.
An overlooked issue is that after winning the AI the players were playing with their clubs until Dec 2021. Then they had a holiday in Jan 2022 then straight I to mckenna cup, league and championship. There was no real time to rest and regroup and refocus like there normally is. Basically the team hadn't stopped since early 2021
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
Exceptionally difficult for anyone since the backdoor arrived in 2001 for anyone other then Dublin or Kerry to win back to backs All Irelands. Tyrone don't have the luxury of waltzing through their province, mentally and physically just getting out of Ulster is difficult enough.
Tyrone will be back, plenty of top underage talent to come through to freshen things up.
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
We got to the final against Dublin in 18, I think Kerry beat us 19 in the semi which we felt we could have won.So I can assure you last year's group of players truly believed they could win it, same as this year's. And next year's will be the same.
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
But it's not, because you are just throwing out a possibility same as everyone else.
It's not one I'd subscribe to tbh, it may be part of the issue but in my view I think there were other issues. So we're hardly losing the run of ourselves to be discussing them.
Imo the issue is Tyrone played Division 1, beat a few Ulster teams but were never really genuine All Ireland contenders in the years before 2021. Dublin and Mayo were the two contenders 2015 - 2020. Tyrone got a bit of luck last season and my guess is many in the Tyrone camp knew that, and realise getting it again would be unlikely.
Tyrone 2022 are similar to Tyrone pre 2020, they'll battle on but when challenged by a good team in the championship they more than not fall the wrong side of the result. The previous management team imo worked wonders with Tyrone football and the new management team benefited off the back of that but got the luck around the semi final issues.
Tyrone will regroup but this season shouldn't be a big shock, there'll be more defeats and early exits in the years ahead whilst they rebuild.
Not winning an AI again definitely isn't a shock. But I'd have fancied them to get to the later stages at least. We usually do. More the manner in which we bowed out tbh. And the fact that we didn't click all year. It's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things and the under age looks good. But still poses some questions.
An overlooked issue is that after winning the AI the players were playing with their clubs until Dec 2021. Then they had a holiday in Jan 2022 then straight I to mckenna cup, league and championship. There was no real time to rest and regroup and refocus like there normally is. Basically the team hadn't stopped since early 2021
Correct, wasn't to be this year so the break will be much needed
I'd like to Derry or Armagh go the whole way this year, it's been too long
Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
But if you win one, you want to win two?
I would.
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
We got to the final against Dublin in 18, I think Kerry beat us 19 in the semi which we felt we could have won.So I can assure you last year's group of players truly believed they could win it, same as this year's. And next year's will be the same.
After the 2018 final I don't think that group of players (and most of them played in 21) really believed they could beat Dublin. Just my opinion. Watching their body language after the opening quarter of that match was like watching a man who's just seen a lifetime of savings and investments wiped out in one day.
I suspect this may be the last we see of Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly in a Tyrone jersey, and possibly a few more withdrawals as well.
Quote from: blanketattack on June 06, 2022, 11:58:38 PM
I suspect this may be the last we see of Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly in a Tyrone jersey, and possibly a few more withdrawals as well.
Donnelly has had heavy injuries in the last few years so maybe. But they strike me as two of the most committed players in the panel, they are still not that old (30/31), so I can see them sticking around yet.
I'm sure most of the team will enjoy a long break after not really getting one for 18 months, but expect them to come back determined and focused next year.
Genuinely not taking the p155 here but have read some nice stories where Tyrone players have stayed behind to talk with young Armagh fans and instances occuring with players and what seems like genuine congratulations and support for Armagh going forward from Tyrone fans on here.
Quote from: Solo_run on June 07, 2022, 01:26:02 AM
Genuinely not taking the p155 here but have read some nice stories where Tyrone players have stayed behind to talk with young Armagh fans and instances occuring with players and what seems like genuine congratulations and support for Armagh going forward from Tyrone fans on here.
See? We're not that bad.
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I suspect this may be the last we see of Peter Harte and Mattie Donnelly in a Tyrone jersey, and possibly a few more withdrawals as well.
Donnelly has had heavy injuries in the last few years so maybe. But they strike me as two of the most committed players in the panel, they are still not that old (30/31), so I can see them sticking around yet.
I'm sure most of the team will enjoy a long break after not really getting one for 18 months, but expect them to come back determined and focused next year.
They have consistently been Tyrones 2 best players for the last decade. Mattie Donnelly in particular looks as though injuries have caught up with him. He seems to have lost a lot of mobility and his game was heavily dependent on physicality and strong running. Great player at his peak but I would think he is the more likely of the two to step away. Harte although quiet on Sunday, is probably still one of Tyrones better players.
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Quote from: thewobbler on June 06, 2022, 12:19:24 PM
But the cause is simple to identify: a group of established players unexpectedly won an All Ireland title. Their life goal was achieved. So some of the players sailed off into the sunset, and some more turned it down a notch. Even if there's a couple of psychotic must-win-at-all-costs leaders within the camp, it's not enough to counteract a reduction in effort and desire from so many.
Exceptionally difficult for anyone since the backdoor arrived in 2001 for anyone other then Dublin or Kerry to win back to backs All Irelands. Tyrone don't have the luxury of waltzing through their province, mentally and physically just getting out of Ulster is difficult enough.
Tyrone will be back, plenty of top underage talent to come through to freshen things up.
It's a good while since Kerry put 2 all Irelands together. Since 2010 only Cork, Donegal, Kerry and Tyrone have won all Irelands, limited to 1 each. Dublin won the rest.
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Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Tyrone never did back to back. Neither did Donegal. It's actually very hard to do.
last Ulster team to do it was Down in the 60s. ffs
Quote from: illdecide on June 05, 2022, 07:36:58 PM
Not gonna lie but thought Tyrone would have had too much for us today...I was a bit shocked how poor they played and a bit shocked how well Armagh played. I said it on here two times in the last few weeks that KMcG has to play Campbell from the start and not this 25-30 min cameo role, he's too good to be on the bench and today proved it. I know he's a club mate of mine and sometimes you can be biased towards your own but not in this case...the lad when on his game is pure class. Most Armagh men played well and won their individual battles which gave them confidence as the game wore on. The draw will be tough no matter who Armagh get as History tells us we struggle to put back to back good performances together but just glad to be in the hat for tomorrow's draw.
As for Tyrone...Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say it wasn't our year and when things don't fall for you no matter how hard you try you're always against the wind, Tyrone will be back stronger next year for sure so get behind your new Armagh buddies and cheer us on for as far as we can go (hopefully we can get at the Derry wans later in the Championship). Was nice to see the crowd acknowledge the Harte and McAreavey families for the vile and utter (actually there are no words to describe these people) bigotry and sectarian abuse they received a few days ago.
Disappointed. The early season start didnt work for the champions, but we made the most of the celebrations this year which now... well Im pleased at. BAck to club football, see who is in form and have another crack at er next year. Very important that we pick the form players in the Tyrone championship for next year. I think time will prove we have been beaten by 2 outstanding teams this season in Derry and now Armagh. I can see both Armagh and Donegal playing each other in an All Ireland semi final this year if the draw permits that. Might have taken its time but Mc Geeney now has refurbished the soul of Armagh football and Tyrone seen it on Sunday. The better team won...
Better team won but I'm far from convinced with this armagh team. Derry on the other hand are a different matter
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Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Tyrone never did back to back. Neither did Donegal. It's actually very hard to do.
last Ulster team to do it was Down in the 60s. ffs
Would have been done by Armagh in 2003 ... only for the antics of Philip Jordan ...
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-player-mocked-marsden-after-wrongful-dismissal-in-2003-final-26782128.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-player-mocked-marsden-after-wrongful-dismissal-in-2003-final-26782128.html)
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Shows how far above everyone else Dublin have been. Mayo too. Very hard for most teams to put in the effort and energy to put back to back seasons together.
Tyrone never did back to back. Neither did Donegal. It's actually very hard to do.
last Ulster team to do it was Down in the 60s. ffs
Would have been done by Armagh in 2003 ... only for the antics of Philip Jordan ...
https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-player-mocked-marsden-after-wrongful-dismissal-in-2003-final-26782128.html (https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/tyrone-player-mocked-marsden-after-wrongful-dismissal-in-2003-final-26782128.html)
Objection, Hearsay your honour.
And this thread was trotting along pleasantly til now....
Even without the sending-off, Tyrone had the drive to win it in 03.
I always laugh at this, Tyrone were much the better team in 03 even with a half fit canavan. The game should have been out of sight long before the end. Granted it wasn't but Tyrone were much better that day
And master Jordan still hasn't apologised to our Diarmuid.
I felt mc entee should gave went that day too. Nomatter it balances out..
Quote from: An Watcher on June 07, 2022, 09:31:01 PM
I always laugh at this, Tyrone were much the better team in 03 even with a half fit canavan. The game should have been out of sight long before the end. Granted it wasn't but Tyrone were much better that day
That's how I remember it too.
I'm a neutral and if I'm honest am not a massive fan of Tyrone but Tyrone were not losing that game in 2003. It was a bit like Tony Scullion saying on that podcast that Derry were never losing in 93 to Donegal come rain, hail or shine etc. Tyrone were winning that game no matter what. 2005 is another matter and could have went either way but I honestly remember always feeling Tyrone were winning that game and that was it.
If you listen to Armagh players they say 2005 is the one that really hurts as they felt they were on course that year
If I'm being honest we were playing catch up the whole game. It did feel like it wasn't our day. If Stevie had managed to bag the goal chance it would have got very interesting though. 2005 was a different matter and the one that hurts most. We played the better football and should really have been out of sight in that game with 5 minutes to go.
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 08, 2022, 09:00:23 AM
If you listen to Armagh players they say 2005 is the one that really hurts as they felt they were on course that year
That Armagh team was good enough to win more than 1
Quote from: Armamike on June 08, 2022, 09:10:51 AM
If I'm being honest we were playing catch up the whole game. It did feel like it wasn't our day. If Stevie had managed to bag the goal chance it would have got very interesting though. 2005 was a different matter and the one that hurts most. We played the better football and should really have been out of sight in that game with 5 minutes to go.
That was the one. That Armagh team possibly left 2 all Irelands behind them in 2005 and 2000 (I think) as well where they had Kerry on the ropes in the semi final.
Quote from: Armamike on June 08, 2022, 09:10:51 AM
If I'm being honest we were playing catch up the whole game. It did feel like it wasn't our day. If Stevie had managed to bag the goal chance it would have got very interesting though. 2005 was a different matter and the one that hurts most. We played the better football and should really have been out of sight in that game with 5 minutes to go.
Yes, I remember we were playing catch-up most of the game ... if my memory is correct, Armagh had made a rally of sorts and I'd a feeling the tide was turning ... that was totally deflated when Diarmuid was sent off ... now it's over 18 years ago at this stage, not saying my perception was correct, but that's how I remember it. Tyrone got a couple of late scores in the game thereafter to win it by 3pts, but it was a cagey affair. And yes, the erroneous sending off was pivotal in the game, and would be in any close game like that ... I hope even a slight feeling of guilt crosses Philip Jordan's mind when polishing his 03 medal ;)
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 08, 2022, 09:00:23 AM
If you listen to Armagh players they say 2005 is the one that really hurts as they felt they were on course that year
In such tight games, there are many individual instances where a mistake is made, a refereeing decision goes the wrong way, the bounce of the ball goes one way and not the other, a player makes an uncharacteristic, unforced error, etc. and that supporters can look back on and point to as being pivotal. Off the top of my head, I could think of half a dozen in that match.
Stevie McDonnell at that time was at the height of his powers. The goal he scored that day was sensational. Yet there was one incident in the second half where he run on to a bouncing ball, about fifteen yards out in front of the goals, and had a clear shot at a point, and blazed it wide. I remember hearing that for all his brilliance, and the scores he conjured out of nothing, that that moment haunted him for years.
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 08, 2022, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 08, 2022, 09:00:23 AM
If you listen to Armagh players they say 2005 is the one that really hurts as they felt they were on course that year
In such tight games, there are many individual instances where a mistake is made, a refereeing decision goes the wrong way, the bounce of the ball goes one way and not the other, a player makes an uncharacteristic, unforced error, etc. and that supporters can look back on and point to as being pivotal. Off the top of my head, I could think of half a dozen in that match.
Stevie McDonnell at that time was at the height of his powers. The goal he scored that day was sensational. Yet there was one incident in the second half where he run on to a bouncing ball, about fifteen yards out in front of the goals, and had a clear shot at a point, and blazed it wide. I remember hearing that for all his brilliance, and the scores he conjured out of nothing, that that moment haunted him for years.
The substitution of Kieran McGeeney is the standout moment of the 05 AI semi final, notwithstanding the winning free kick
In terms of the game last week and Geezers last stand, he came through with flying colours and seems to be headed somewhere
They go in as favourites to the Donegal game but in truth the teams are evenly matched and Donegal will fancy themselves for an ambush
Would like to see this Armagh team in an AI quarter final in Croke to see what they're really made of
Would love to see Derry or Armagh win the AI this year, reminiscent of the bounce in Ulster after Down 91
Whether either team has the head for Croke on the big day is what it boils down to
Quote from: tiempo on June 08, 2022, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 08, 2022, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 08, 2022, 09:00:23 AM
If you listen to Armagh players they say 2005 is the one that really hurts as they felt they were on course that year
In such tight games, there are many individual instances where a mistake is made, a refereeing decision goes the wrong way, the bounce of the ball goes one way and not the other, a player makes an uncharacteristic, unforced error, etc. and that supporters can look back on and point to as being pivotal. Off the top of my head, I could think of half a dozen in that match.
Stevie McDonnell at that time was at the height of his powers. The goal he scored that day was sensational. Yet there was one incident in the second half where he run on to a bouncing ball, about fifteen yards out in front of the goals, and had a clear shot at a point, and blazed it wide. I remember hearing that for all his brilliance, and the scores he conjured out of nothing, that that moment haunted him for years.
The substitution of Kieran McGeeney is the standout moment of the 05 AI semi final, notwithstanding the winning free kick
In terms of the game last week and Geezers last stand, he came through with flying colours and seems to be headed somewhere
They go in as favourites to the Donegal game but in truth the teams are evenly matched and Donegal will fancy themselves for an ambush
Would like to see this Armagh team in an AI quarter final in Croke to see what they're really made of
Would love to see Derry or Armagh win the AI this year, reminiscent of the bounce in Ulster after Down 91
Whether either team has the head for Croke on the big day is what it boils down to
Cant really see how we're favourites after getting humiliated in Ulster by them plus the personnel we've lost since.
However if we get over Donegal I really fancy our chances of giving anyone a game in Croke Park.
Quote from: tiempo on June 08, 2022, 10:59:23 AM
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on June 08, 2022, 10:40:05 AM
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 08, 2022, 09:00:23 AM
If you listen to Armagh players they say 2005 is the one that really hurts as they felt they were on course that year
In such tight games, there are many individual instances where a mistake is made, a refereeing decision goes the wrong way, the bounce of the ball goes one way and not the other, a player makes an uncharacteristic, unforced error, etc. and that supporters can look back on and point to as being pivotal. Off the top of my head, I could think of half a dozen in that match.
Stevie McDonnell at that time was at the height of his powers. The goal he scored that day was sensational. Yet there was one incident in the second half where he run on to a bouncing ball, about fifteen yards out in front of the goals, and had a clear shot at a point, and blazed it wide. I remember hearing that for all his brilliance, and the scores he conjured out of nothing, that that moment haunted him for years.
The substitution of Kieran McGeeney is the standout moment of the 05 AI semi final, notwithstanding the winning free kick
In terms of the game last week and Geezers last stand, he came through with flying colours and seems to be headed somewhere
They go in as favourites to the Donegal game but in truth the teams are evenly matched and Donegal will fancy themselves for an ambush
Would like to see this Armagh team in an AI quarter final in Croke to see what they're really made of
Would love to see Derry or Armagh win the AI this year, reminiscent of the bounce in Ulster after Down 91
Whether either team has the head for Croke on the big day is what it boils down to
I remember Sean Cavanagh said afterwards that he couldn't believe when geezer was taken off. From memory it opened up the centre of the Armagh defence and was the winning of the game for Tyrone. It was one that got away.
There has been a lot of talk since that Armagh were the better team in 05 replay. I've watched the match a few times and don't see where it's coming from. Tyrone led the game for the first 59 minutes. They looked like pulling away when going 3 up in the second half playing great football, at that point Armagh got a few very soft frees which kept them in it. The goal from Armagh looked like a sucker punch but Tyrone had the character to then take back over in the closing stages.
Redhand - I'm talking about the third game in the trilogy, the semi final. Are you referring to the replayed Ulster final? I can only tell you how I felt during and after the semi final. We were in front in the second half and had numerous scoreable chances to put the game to bed. I really felt heading into the last few minutes we weren't going to be denied. It was the best we played of the 3 games against Tyrone that summer.
Anyway, it's history. We now move on into a new era of reconciliation with our good neighbours.
Sorry it was the semi final I was referring to. Tyrone led for first 60 minutes of the game and had looked like pulling away. The goal gave Armagh momentum and looked likely winners for that 5/10 minute spell but hard to say they were the better team overall that day. History now anyway as you say.
Reading about those Armagh and Tyrone games, from 2002 to 2005 it was amongst the most intense rivaly of any football era with a very good Kerry team threw into the mix. Good memories to look back on, even if the results didn't always go for one team or another.
Tyrone got the edge but I think the main reason for that which is sometimes forgotten is Armagh were a few years further along. Armagh could and should of won an All Ireland from 1999 - 2001, that great Tyrone team won it early in their development and always appeared to have a younger squad than Armagh which certainly told in the closing stages of 05 semi imo.
I couldn't disagree with much of that. We had been to the well a few times by the mid noughties. Took us 4 goes to land the AI.
Quote from: seafoid on June 08, 2022, 09:24:46 AM
Quote from: JoeSoap on June 08, 2022, 09:00:23 AM
If you listen to Armagh players they say 2005 is the one that really hurts as they felt they were on course that year
That Armagh team was good enough to win more than 1
Without a doubt, they left at least 1 behind them before the breakthrough in 2002 in my opinion, and I thought they played the best football in 2005 but Tyrone were fantastic in the semi-final especially.
Sometimes people forget about Armagh when talking about Kerry & Tyrone in the 00's. Unfortunately as a Donegal man who suffered defeat after defeat to that Armagh side I can't forget!
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2022, 11:22:07 AM
There has been a lot of talk since that Armagh were the better team in 05 replay. I've watched the match a few times and don't see where it's coming from. Tyrone led the game for the first 59 minutes. They looked like pulling away when going 3 up in the second half playing great football, at that point Armagh got a few very soft frees which kept them in it. The goal from Armagh looked like a sucker punch but Tyrone had the character to then take back over in the closing stages.
Totally agree. I never understood that narrative. I'd agree that it was the best Armagh played out of those 3 games that Summer, but didn't think they were the better side that day.
Quote from: ONeill on June 08, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2022, 11:22:07 AM
There has been a lot of talk since that Armagh were the better team in 05 replay. I've watched the match a few times and don't see where it's coming from. Tyrone led the game for the first 59 minutes. They looked like pulling away when going 3 up in the second half playing great football, at that point Armagh got a few very soft frees which kept them in it. The goal from Armagh looked like a sucker punch but Tyrone had the character to then take back over in the closing stages.
Totally agree. I never understood that narrative. I'd agree that it was the best Armagh played out of those 3 games that Summer, but didn't think they were the better side that day.
Ulster Final - Tyrone were totally robbed. McConville lifted the ball clean off the ground for his goal. Tyrone by far the better team.
Replay - Tyrone well in the game until Michael Collins made a shite of it. 13 men was too much of an ask against that Armagh side.
SF - Thought a very even game but Tyrone deserved their victory. I think losing the UF did Tyrone a lot of good. Armagh probably thought they had Tyrone's number going into the SF.
Great days. Hopefully Tyrone can get back to the highs of last year and give Armagh a game of it next season. For now... the long grass awaits.
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Richard Thronton missed it. Canavan passed it to him. But you're right They were lucky but I think all teams need a bit of luck to win and AI. Tyrone last year had their fair share.
Quote from: trailer on June 08, 2022, 04:55:37 PM
Quote from: ONeill on June 08, 2022, 04:46:30 PM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on June 08, 2022, 11:22:07 AM
There has been a lot of talk since that Armagh were the better team in 05 replay. I've watched the match a few times and don't see where it's coming from. Tyrone led the game for the first 59 minutes. They looked like pulling away when going 3 up in the second half playing great football, at that point Armagh got a few very soft frees which kept them in it. The goal from Armagh looked like a sucker punch but Tyrone had the character to then take back over in the closing stages.
Totally agree. I never understood that narrative. I'd agree that it was the best Armagh played out of those 3 games that Summer, but didn't think they were the better side that day.
Ulster Final - Tyrone were totally robbed. McConville lifted the ball clean off the ground for his goal. Tyrone by far the better team.
Replay - Tyrone well in the game until Michael Collins made a shite of it. 13 men was too much of an ask against that Armagh side.
SF - Thought a very even game but Tyrone deserved their victory. I think losing the UF did Tyrone a lot of good. Armagh probably thought they had Tyrone's number going into the SF.
Great days. Hopefully Tyrone can get back to the highs of last year and give Armagh a game of it next season. For now... the long grass awaits.
Tyrone were more than well in the game in the Ulster replay, they were comfortably ahead until the ref gave it to Armagh. Worked out in the long run.
Quote from: trailer on June 08, 2022, 05:24:19 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Richard Thronton missed it. Canavan passed it to him. But you're right They were lucky but I think all teams need a bit of luck to win and AI. Tyrone last year had their fair share.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/feargal-logan-and-brian-dooher-bask-in-the-glow-of-all-ireland-success-1.4671709
The question I would say is: why do you have to wait a year or two," explained Dooher before the team departed Croke Park on Saturday evening.
"You only get one chance and you make the most of it whenever you can. Let's face it, we had the rub of the green at times and we needed it. Particularly the semi-final, when we used up a right bit of luck. And today, too, we used up a right bit of it. But the way we look at it is: don't wait until tomorrow. You know, do what you can today. And don't put off anything that you can do today. And them boys did that. You never know. You might never be back again in an All-Ireland final. And you have to grasp that opportunity."
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
And a little unlucky not to win it in 2000 it could be argued when Kerry snatched a last second draw in the semi. We could go round in circles on this one.
Tyrones worst performance against armagh in 05 was the semi final but they showed in all 3 games they were much the better team. Armagh clung onto them n the ref made a balls of the ulster final. As for 02, Thornton missed that late chance. Think he fisted it wide but not 100%. Cavanagh scored a great goal just beforehand to bring us back into it. Fine lines. Remember packies save at the end of the 05 or 08 final. Beat otherwise
Quote from: An Watcher on June 08, 2022, 10:44:10 PM
Tyrones worst performance against armagh in 05 was the semi final but they showed in all 3 games they were much the better team. Armagh clung onto them n the ref made a balls of the ulster final. As for 02, Thornton missed that late chance. Think he fisted it wide but not 100%. Cavanagh scored a great goal just beforehand to bring us back into it. Fine lines. Remember packies save at the end of the 05 or 08 final. Beat otherwise
That save, talk about margins! Every bit as iconic as Doohers point. I was sat a couple of rows behind Finbarr, in the first half when Packie made the save from Walsh, Finbarr up and celebrated like Tyrone had scored a goal, the absolute pride in his brother making that save, and his own links to Tyrone going close in 95, it really was something to behold, again just to have seen that, for me, every bit as special as Doohers point. Don't think I've come anywhere close to describing the pride you could see in Finbarr at that moment, you just had to be there
Haha I remember a Newtownstewart man hanging out of a car window as we headed for home screaming a Newtown man won us the All Ireland. Proud as punch. Great days
Quote from: tiempo on June 08, 2022, 10:52:38 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on June 08, 2022, 10:44:10 PM
Tyrones worst performance against armagh in 05 was the semi final but they showed in all 3 games they were much the better team. Armagh clung onto them n the ref made a balls of the ulster final. As for 02, Thornton missed that late chance. Think he fisted it wide but not 100%. Cavanagh scored a great goal just beforehand to bring us back into it. Fine lines. Remember packies save at the end of the 05 or 08 final. Beat otherwise
That save, talk about margins! Every bit as iconic as Doohers point. I was sat a couple of rows behind Finbarr, in the first half when Packie made the save from Walsh, Finbarr up and celebrated like Tyrone had scored a goal, the absolute pride in his brother making that save, and his own links to Tyrone going close in 95, it really was something to behold, again just to have seen that, for me, every bit as special as Doohers point. Don't think I've come anywhere close to describing the pride you could see in Finbarr at that moment, you just had to be there
Packie was some player. I'd say very underrated. Agile, a fine shot stopper, a great kick out and a great all round fella. Was it 08 he stepped in at the last minute for Devine? Tyrone never missed a beat even though a player in a key position had been changed.
Very fine lines to win or lose these big games. But big players make big plays. Thankfully we had a few to get Tyrone over the line.
Quote from: trailer on June 09, 2022, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 08, 2022, 10:52:38 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on June 08, 2022, 10:44:10 PM
Tyrones worst performance against armagh in 05 was the semi final but they showed in all 3 games they were much the better team. Armagh clung onto them n the ref made a balls of the ulster final. As for 02, Thornton missed that late chance. Think he fisted it wide but not 100%. Cavanagh scored a great goal just beforehand to bring us back into it. Fine lines. Remember packies save at the end of the 05 or 08 final. Beat otherwise
That save, talk about margins! Every bit as iconic as Doohers point. I was sat a couple of rows behind Finbarr, in the first half when Packie made the save from Walsh, Finbarr up and celebrated like Tyrone had scored a goal, the absolute pride in his brother making that save, and his own links to Tyrone going close in 95, it really was something to behold, again just to have seen that, for me, every bit as special as Doohers point. Don't think I've come anywhere close to describing the pride you could see in Finbarr at that moment, you just had to be there
Packie was some player. I'd say very underrated. Agile, a fine shot stopper, a great kick out and a great all round fella. Was it 08 he stepped in at the last minute for Devine? Tyrone never missed a beat even though a player in a key position had been changed.
Very fine lines to win or lose these big games. But big players make big plays. Thankfully we had a few to get Tyrone over the line.
We're they not rotating earlier that year tho? I remember one year when they rotating neatly game about.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on June 09, 2022, 10:09:09 AM
Quote from: trailer on June 09, 2022, 09:11:15 AM
Quote from: tiempo on June 08, 2022, 10:52:38 PM
Quote from: An Watcher on June 08, 2022, 10:44:10 PM
Tyrones worst performance against armagh in 05 was the semi final but they showed in all 3 games they were much the better team. Armagh clung onto them n the ref made a balls of the ulster final. As for 02, Thornton missed that late chance. Think he fisted it wide but not 100%. Cavanagh scored a great goal just beforehand to bring us back into it. Fine lines. Remember packies save at the end of the 05 or 08 final. Beat otherwise
That save, talk about margins! Every bit as iconic as Doohers point. I was sat a couple of rows behind Finbarr, in the first half when Packie made the save from Walsh, Finbarr up and celebrated like Tyrone had scored a goal, the absolute pride in his brother making that save, and his own links to Tyrone going close in 95, it really was something to behold, again just to have seen that, for me, every bit as special as Doohers point. Don't think I've come anywhere close to describing the pride you could see in Finbarr at that moment, you just had to be there
Packie was some player. I'd say very underrated. Agile, a fine shot stopper, a great kick out and a great all round fella. Was it 08 he stepped in at the last minute for Devine? Tyrone never missed a beat even though a player in a key position had been changed.
Very fine lines to win or lose these big games. But big players make big plays. Thankfully we had a few to get Tyrone over the line.
We're they not rotating earlier that year tho? I remember one year when they rotating neatly game about.
I think they normally settled on a keeper for each championship?
Quote from: Armamike on June 08, 2022, 09:52:51 PM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
And a little unlucky not to win it in 2000 it could be argued when Kerry snatched a last second draw in the semi. We could go round in circles on this one.
Armagh didn't have much look against Galway in 2001 either, think they only arrived at the ground about 30 mins before throw in, they didn't exactly start quickly.
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
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Packie was some player. I'd say very underrated. Agile, a fine shot stopper, a great kick out and a great all round fella. Was it 08 he stepped in at the last minute for Devine? Tyrone never missed a beat even though a player in a key position had been changed.
Very fine lines to win or lose these big games. But big players make big plays. Thankfully we had a few to get Tyrone over the line.
We're they not rotating earlier that year tho? I remember one year when they rotating neatly game about.
I think they normally settled on a keeper for each championship?
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McConnell started the drawn Down game in 2008 and then Devine took over from the replay until the final obviously then with the last minute change. The pair of them always got their fair share of football in that period so I suppose that helped with the last minute change in that 08 final.
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Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
Think the QF against Sligo went to a replay.
Cosgrove hit the stanchion with a fairly handy free for a regular kicker to bring the sides level in the semi-final.
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Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
Think the QF against Sligo went to a replay.
Cosgrove hit the stanchion with a fairly handy free for a regular kicker to bring the sides level in the semi-final.
in the first game sligo were through for a goal in the alst couple of minutes to win the game but took a point to draw it.
in the replay in Navan they were robbed , with a coupel of points in it they had a clear penalty shout turned down which if scored would have won the game.
You need luck to win an all Ireland. Some counties have it and some don't.
Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
I've always said that Armagh were lucky to win in 2002 but unlucky to lose out in about 4 other campaigns. Think we're down on the deal overall. As regards the 05 trilogy the only match that we deserved to win was the only one we lost!! Absolutely stole a draw in the first Ulster final, the replay was a 50/50 game and we were narrowly better in the AI semi.
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Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
I've always said that Armagh were lucky to win in 2002 but unlucky to lose out in about 4 other campaigns. Think we're down on the deal overall. As regards the 05 trilogy the only match that we deserved to win was the only one we lost!! Absolutely stole a draw in the first Ulster final, the replay was a 50/50 game and we were narrowly better in the AI semi.
If Armagh had gotten past Kerry in 06 they could have another AI.
Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
Yes Tyrone were a much better team overall but whilst the name was on the cup like last year it was because they deserved it. Sligo and Dublin were behind Armagh that year.
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Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
I've always said that Armagh were lucky to win in 2002 but unlucky to lose out in about 4 other campaigns. Think we're down on the deal overall. As regards the 05 trilogy the only match that we deserved to win was the only one we lost!! Absolutely stole a draw in the first Ulster final, the replay was a 50/50 game and we were narrowly better in the AI semi.
If Armagh had gotten past Kerry in 06 they could have another AI.
Pull the other one hen
Quote from: naka on June 09, 2022, 01:35:55 PM
Quote from: Estimator on June 09, 2022, 01:28:12 PM
Quote from: clarshack on June 09, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
Quote from: redzone on June 08, 2022, 05:15:23 PM
Armagh were lucky to win it in 02 never mind win a second. In the drawn preliminary game cavanagh missed a easy chance to win it at the end, canavan injured for the replay too.
Sligo missed chances against Armagh too in the 1/4 final, and Dublin had that last gasp free at the end in the semi that hit the post.
Armagh's name was on the cup that year.
Think the QF against Sligo went to a replay.
Cosgrove hit the stanchion with a fairly handy free for a regular kicker to bring the sides level in the semi-final.
in the first game sligo were through for a goal in the alst couple of minutes to win the game but took a point to draw it.
in the replay in Navan they were robbed , with a coupel of points in it they had a clear penalty shout turned down which if scored would have won the game.
Any luck we got was hard come by and we were due it! It would take a right old bigot to begrudge us 02!
Donegal have fallen into the late 90s/ mid noughties Armaghs trap. Satisfied more with winning local battles than the all Ireland. Overb celebrating getting over a step can lead to tripping up on the next one. Both these counties have been Tyrone's biggest critics, however if they learn from Tyrone then another Ulster team can win the All Ireland this year. Look at Derrys approach, their mentality despite what appeared to be a huge win over the champions was to move on quickly. The Monaghan win was even more impressive and by the time Donegal came knocking they were that composed they were fit to out Donegal Donegal. At the moment I think Derry Can win the All Ireland, Donegal might improve to that level, if they lose their fear of defeat and stick MM into ff. Armagh can take that progressive step this weekend, forget about Tyrone and beat a team that should be a contender and take their place as one.
Read an article on the back page of todays Sunday Independent querying whether Tyrone were the worst AI champions ever. They were certainly the oddest champions in recent memory but they won't care one jot as they all count the same.
Pundits have a hard time figuring out 2021 and 2022 are different years