Congrats to Mullinalaghta - big day for the little guy!!
Not the first half-parish to win provincial honours. Can you name the others?
Slaughtneil? Don't have their own parish as such but split over Glen and Granaghan.
Or have I totally misunderstood the half parish concept.
Parish teams is more of a south and west Ireland concept are they not? I can't think of any parish clubs. Usually it's a village or town club.
Quote from: APM on December 09, 2018, 10:13:21 PM
Congrats to Mullinalaghta - big day for the little guy!!
Not the first half-parish to win provincial honours. Can you name the others?
Walsh Island have 2. They're a third of a parish.
Gracefield.
Caltra who went on to win the All Ireland i presume but they would have more of a pick than Mullinalaghta.
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 09, 2018, 10:51:17 PM
Caltra who went on to win the All Ireland i presume but they would have more of a pick than Mullinalaghta.
Permission players from Ahascaragh-Fohenagh, who were merged in 02, and potentially players from Ballymacward.
A great achievement nonetheless.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 09, 2018, 10:15:23 PM
Slaughtneil? Don't have their own parish as such but split over Glen and Granaghan.
Or have I totally misunderstood the half parish concept.
Are they picking from 2 parishes or are there clearly defined areas within each parish?
Quote from: LeoMc on December 10, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 09, 2018, 10:15:23 PM
Slaughtneil? Don't have their own parish as such but split over Glen and Granaghan.
Or have I totally misunderstood the half parish concept.
Are they picking from 2 parishes or are there clearly defined areas within each parish?
Pick from two parishes, there camogs are better off, they take players from everywhere, Creggan in Co Antrim and Offaly.
Quote from: LeoMc on December 10, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on December 09, 2018, 10:15:23 PM
Slaughtneil? Don't have their own parish as such but split over Glen and Granaghan.
Or have I totally misunderstood the half parish concept.
Are they picking from 2 parishes or are there clearly defined areas within each parish?
No clearly defined boundaries as such, apart from townlands and family ties. I'm no fan of them shawshank but thats a cheeky dig ;D
Jez Walt, that's not cheeky, its factually correct. I didn't make it up.
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 09, 2018, 10:51:17 PM
Caltra who went on to win the All Ireland i presume but they would have more of a pick than Mullinalaghta.
Caltra is a half parish of Ahascragh (which is all hurling). I've been there and there is very little there alright. Never been to Mullinalaghta but it sounds even smaller again.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2018, 03:12:30 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 09, 2018, 10:51:17 PM
Caltra who went on to win the All Ireland i presume but they would have more of a pick than Mullinalaghta.
Caltra is a half parish of Ahascragh (which is all hurling). I've been there and there is very little there alright. Never been to Mullinalaghta but it sounds even smaller again.
It's absolutely tiny, and completely out of the way. Played there a few months ago - very picturesque grounds.
3 clubs in the parish I'm from.
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2018, 04:39:51 PM
3 clubs in the parish I'm from.
Parish sizes vary though - and that's one of the reasons why some counties don't use any type of parish rule. There are 4 senior football teams in the parish I'm from. But there are 25,000 people.
Quote from: shark on December 10, 2018, 03:42:26 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on December 10, 2018, 03:12:30 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 09, 2018, 10:51:17 PM
Caltra who went on to win the All Ireland i presume but they would have more of a pick than Mullinalaghta.
Caltra is a half parish of Ahascragh (which is all hurling). I've been there and there is very little there alright. Never been to Mullinalaghta but it sounds even smaller again.
It's absolutely tiny, and completely out of the way. Played there a few months ago - very picturesque grounds.
Depends where you start from... Caltra not that far from Ballinasloe
Castlerahan who won their first senior championship this year is half a parish with the other half forming as Munterconnacht in junior championship. Mountnugent in Cavan is half a parish with the other half in Meath and play as Ballinacree.
Mullinaghta and Gowna would be a small parish anyway as half it is a lake but Gowna are a strong senior club in Cavan with an abundance of young talent at the moment so together they'd form some team.
So what exactly is a half parish?
Isn't Castledawson in the parish of Bellaghy
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
So what exactly is a half parish?
It is 50% of a parish, whether by area or population, I'm not sure.
Quote from: shark on December 10, 2018, 05:24:36 PM
Quote from: Itchy on December 10, 2018, 04:39:51 PM
3 clubs in the parish I'm from.
Parish sizes vary though - and that's one of the reasons why some counties don't use any type of parish rule. There are 4 senior football teams in the parish I'm from. But there are 25,000 people.
If there was 3000 in my parish that would be it.
Quote from: mrdeeds on December 10, 2018, 06:10:24 PM
Castlerahan who won their first senior championship this year is half a parish with the other half forming as Munterconnacht in junior championship. Mountnugent in Cavan is half a parish with the other half in Meath and play as Ballinacree.
Mullinaghta and Gowna would be a small parish anyway as half it is a lake but Gowna are a strong senior club in Cavan with an abundance of young talent at the moment so together they'd form some team.
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Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2018, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
So what exactly is a half parish?
It is 50% of a parish, whether by area or population, I'm not sure.
It's neither. A "half parish"is part of a parish that traditionally would have its own church and curate. The GAA organised along parish and "half parish" lines and in many areas there were were 2 or more clubs within a parish area. I started playing with a club that was a "half parish " club though could be described more accurately as a "third of a parish" from either a population or area perspective.
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Quote from: mrdeeds on December 10, 2018, 06:10:24 PM
Castlerahan who won their first senior championship this year is half a parish with the other half forming as Munterconnacht in junior championship. Mountnugent in Cavan is half a parish with the other half in Meath and play as Ballinacree.
Mullinaghta and Gowna would be a small parish anyway as half it is a lake but Gowna are a strong senior club in Cavan with an abundance of young talent at the moment so together they'd form some team.
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Quote from: Tatler Jack on December 11, 2018, 05:46:54 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on December 10, 2018, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
So what exactly is a half parish?
It is 50% of a parish, whether by area or population, I'm not sure.
It's neither. A "half parish"is part of a parish that traditionally would have its own church and curate. The GAA organised along parish and "half parish" lines and in many areas there were were 2 or more clubs within a parish area. I started playing with a club that was a "half parish " club though could be described more accurately as a "third of a parish" from either a population or area perspective.
There were 5 hurling clubs in the parish of Athenry at one stage in the 50s
I think it was linked to personality clashes.
Now there is one club.
Quote from: BennyCake on December 09, 2018, 10:37:25 PM
Parish teams is more of a south and west Ireland concept are they not? I can't think of any parish clubs. Usually it's a village or town club.
More than a couple in Antrim?
Is creggan a separate parish to randalstown?What other ones ned? I think moneyglass is it's own?
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2018, 08:02:18 AM
Is creggan a separate parish to randalstown?What other ones ned? I think moneyglass is it's own?
Moneyglass is in the parish of Duneane, which also includes Toome/Cargin
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 11, 2018, 10:06:38 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2018, 08:02:18 AM
Is creggan a separate parish to randalstown?What other ones ned? I think moneyglass is it's own?
Moneyglass is in the parish of Duneane, which also includes Toome/Cargin
Ah. Cheers. I thought Moneyglass had their own chapel so had assumed they had their own parish.
Yeah round that neck of the woods would seem to be the only place with "half parishes" I *think*. Certainly none up north antrim would have that.
Aghagallon probably on it's own unless it borders into an Armagh parish but doubt it.
Then there is of course the Belfast clubs but that is a minefield of it's own lol.
Quote from: general_lee on December 10, 2018, 06:28:14 PM
So what exactly is a half parish?
It's a Church area, sub division of a Parish with its own Church which used to be administered by a Curate.
Despite the " half" moniker there were usually 3 such areas in each Parish.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2018, 08:02:18 AM
Is creggan a separate parish to randalstown?What other ones ned? I think moneyglass is it's own?
Glenravel. Carey?
Daingean in Offaly has 4 half parish . Daingean , ballyconmmon kilclonfert and Cappincur thought does the main parish count as a half parish?
the main difference between a Parish and half parish team is players from the Parish can play for any of the teams
Quote from: ned on December 11, 2018, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2018, 08:02:18 AM
Is creggan a separate parish to randalstown?What other ones ned? I think moneyglass is it's own?
Glenravel. Carey?
Is Carey not a parish in it's own right? There's a big chapel in the middle of it. Unless it takes in some of Ballycastle but I don't think so? Glenravel would be too. There are no clubs or parishes for a good few miles round it.
I think half parishes came about when the (Catholic) church authorities decided to build a second (or third) chapel in a parish. There could have been several reasons for this- generally it was because the parish was so large that many parishioners found it very inconvenient to attend the parish church. These chapels of ease, as they were called, were then used by the GAA in many parts of the country to base clubs new back in its early days when populations were greater and travel more difficult than today.
Dunno what the story was with the half parishes of Gowna and Mullinachta or if there is a church in each half and I'm sure nobody in either gives a damn right now!
Quote from: rosnarun on December 11, 2018, 01:23:55 PM
Daingean in Offaly has 4 half parish . Daingean , ballyconmmon kilclonfert and Cappincur thought does the main parish count as a half parish?
the main difference between a Parish and half parish team is players from the Parish can play for any of the teams
Quarter parish teams so. There's a church in Daingean, Kilclonfert and Ballycommon, while there's an oratory in Cappincur.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 11, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
I think half parishes came about when the (Catholic) church authorities decided to build a second (or third) chapel in a parish. There could have been several reasons for this- generally it was because the parish was so large that many parishioners found it very inconvenient to attend the parish church. These chapels of ease, as they were called, were then used by the GAA in many parts of the country to base clubs new back in its early days when populations were greater and travel more difficult than today.
Dunno what the story was with the half parishes of Gowna and Mullinachta or if there is a church in each half and I'm sure nobody in either gives a damn right now!
We were originally part of the parish of Columbkille
(sic) as Billy can ruefully remind us, but the parish boundaries in north Longford and the adjacent parts of Cavan were redefined in 1839 (Killoe was split in three, and Abbeylara, which previously had had four detached portions, was rationalised and its boundaries with Colmcille and Granard redefined). We, being the part of then-Colmcille on the eastern shore of the lough, were united with Scrabby which had earlier been part of the parish of Killeshandra in the diocese of Kilmore. I suppose we might be thought of as the parish of the offcuts.
Quote from: LooseCannon on December 09, 2018, 10:50:46 PM
Quote from: APM on December 09, 2018, 10:13:21 PM
Congrats to Mullinalaghta - big day for the little guy!!
Not the first half-parish to win provincial honours. Can you name the others?
Walsh Island have 2. They're a third of a parish.
Gracefield.
Portlaoise have 7 titles. One of four clubs in the parish of Portlaoise. Two dual clubs, one hurling only and one football only.
Clonoe parish has 4 clubs in it. Is it split along church / primary school lines?
In Mayo Garrymore & Hollymount are both in the same parish. They won 9 SFC between them between 1974 & 1994. Garrymore collecting six. They also were the first Mayo Club team to reach an All Ireland Club Final in 1981/82, but lost out to Nemo Rangers. Garrymore still reach a QF in Mayo nearly every year, while Hollymount have amalgameted and reached an All Ireland Intermediate Club final a few years ago.
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2018, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: ned on December 11, 2018, 12:42:18 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on December 11, 2018, 08:02:18 AM
Is creggan a separate parish to randalstown?What other ones ned? I think moneyglass is it's own?
Glenravel. Carey?
Is Carey not a parish in it's own right? There's a big chapel in the middle of it. Unless it takes in some of Ballycastle but I don't think so? Glenravel would be too. There are no clubs or parishes for a good few miles round it.
I am almost 100% sure about Carey.
Quote from: REDCOL on December 12, 2018, 08:37:21 AM
In Mayo Garrymore & Hollymount are both in the same parish. They won 9 SFC between them between 1974 & 1994. Garrymore collecting six. They also were the first Mayo Club team to reach an All Ireland Club Final in 1981/82, but lost out to Nemo Rangers. Garrymore still reach a QF in Mayo nearly every year, while Hollymount have amalgameted and reached an All Ireland Intermediate Club final a few years ago.
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Not entirely true. While Garrymore (and Hollymount ) both fall into Kilcommon parish, Garrymore traditionally also drew from Crossbooyne parish, especially during the years when they dominated Mayo football. The borderline between Garrymore and Milltown was also a moveable feast. This doesn't lessen the achievements of Garry but is not the same as Mullinalaghtna.
Parish rule not used in some counties like Westmeath
You could live in Athlone and play with Castlepollard at the other end of the county if you want.
Does Carey not lie within the parish of Culfeightrim?
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on December 12, 2018, 07:06:17 PM
Does Carey not lie within the parish of Culfeightrim?
The original point made was that "parish teams" were more of a southern counties thing. Carey is still the only club within that parish. It is not the name of the village.
Agreed that it is only club in that parish but I was trying to make the point that the club is not named after the parish where a lot of clubs are named after the parish and not the major settlement within the parish eg Clonduff not Hilltown. Conversely there are probably as many not using the parish name.
This year three teams from the "old" Clonallon parish contested the Down SFC semi finals ie Burren CPN and Mayobridge probably a rare occurrence for something like this to happen. Anyone know if any other county can claim a similar situation?
It's very possible that the four clubs in the St Vincent's area in Offaly were all occupying the four semi final spots of the Offaly junior football championship in years gone by. Ballycommon, Cappincur, Daingean and Kilclonfert were all junior at the same time for a while. Cappincur are now senior A, Ballycommon and Daingean intermediate, while Kilclonfert remain in the junior ranks.
Quote from: Walt Jabsco on December 12, 2018, 11:29:50 PM
Agreed that it is only club in that parish but I was trying to make the point that the club is not named after the parish where a lot of clubs are named after the parish and not the major settlement within the parish eg Clonduff not Hilltown. Conversely there are probably as many not using the parish name.
This year three teams from the "old" Clonallon parish contested the Down SFC semi finals ie Burren CPN and Mayobridge probably a rare occurrence for something like this to happen. Anyone know if any other county can claim a similar situation?
There must be special football DNA in that Clonallon parish. Burren were twice all Ireland club champions and Mayobridge produced Mr Linden and Mr O Hare.
Quote from: LooseCannon on December 13, 2018, 12:03:38 AM
It’s very possible that the four clubs in the St Vincent’s area in Offaly were all occupying the four semi final spots of the Offaly junior football championship in years gone by. Ballycommon, Cappincur, Daingean and Kilclonfert were all junior at the same time for a while. Cappincur are now senior A, Ballycommon and Daingean intermediate, while Kilclonfert remain in the junior ranks.
And may of these young lads would have grown up playing for vincents together so they may be a bit frustrated with the divisions . but another way of looking at it is how many extra jerseys there are to fill . may be if they had one senior team and kept the own clubs junior teams.
not sure if operates like that anywhere .
may County board have always been dead set against split parishes as we found out in keenagh years ago.we had to remain under the cruel Crossmolina tyrant
There was talks of a parish side taking shape around 7/8 years ago when Rhode's second team won the intermediate championship before the introduction of senior b.
It didn't take shape.
I believe that all clubs should remain as independent entities ...look at Mullinalaghta. All of the clubs in the Vincent's parish have more numbers than Mullinalaghta, except for Kilclonfert.
Then you have the Edenderry-Ballyfore situation. Ballyfore are currently struggling in the fourth tier of OY football. Contested an intermediate final in the last 10 years, before senior b was introduced.
Edenderry had a mass exodus from their club when players were told to solely concentrate on football.
Unfortunately for Ballyfore, this would be to their detriment. Taking in 12 fellow parishioners. They returned to Edenderry the following year, pissing off Ballyfore, their arrival to Ballyfore was not universally welcomed either.
Ballyfore we're intermediate until 2015. Got relegated from junior A in 2016, won junior B last year, struggled at junior A this year.
Worse again, their whole underage setup is in with Edenderry, with Ballyfore having no say at all.
Not even a concession of jersey colour or name. Their best player, David Brady transferred to Edenderry upon their relegation from junior A. Because they're in the same parish, this has set a disastrous and in my opinion worrying precedent.
There's plenty more examples too, which is quite worrying.
Quote from: LaurelEye on December 11, 2018, 04:24:55 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on December 11, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
I think half parishes came about when the (Catholic) church authorities decided to build a second (or third) chapel in a parish. There could have been several reasons for this- generally it was because the parish was so large that many parishioners found it very inconvenient to attend the parish church. These chapels of ease, as they were called, were then used by the GAA in many parts of the country to base clubs new back in its early days when populations were greater and travel more difficult than today.
Dunno what the story was with the half parishes of Gowna and Mullinachta or if there is a church in each half and I'm sure nobody in either gives a damn right now!
We were originally part of the parish of Columbkille(sic) as Billy can ruefully remind us, but the parish boundaries in north Longford and the adjacent parts of Cavan were redefined in 1839 (Killoe was split in three, and Abbeylara, which previously had had four detached portions, was rationalised and its boundaries with Colmcille and Granard redefined). We, being the part of then-Colmcille on the eastern shore of the lough, were united with Scrabby which had earlier been part of the parish of Killeshandra in the diocese of Kilmore. I suppose we might be thought of as the parish of the offcuts.
Point of order, it wsn't rueful when I used to remind you - it is now. :-[
Quotethe parish of the offcuts.
Is that not Ballymore/Bunlahy? I'll get my coat.
Quote from: LooseCannon on December 13, 2018, 12:19:31 PM
There was talks of a parish side taking shape around 7/8 years ago when Rhode’s second team won the intermediate championship before the introduction of senior b.
It didn’t take shape.
I believe that all clubs should remain as independent entities …look at Mullinalaghta. All of the clubs in the Vincent’s parish have more numbers than Mullinalaghta, except for Kilclonfert.
Then you have the Edenderry-Ballyfore situation. Ballyfore are currently struggling in the fourth tier of OY football. Contested an intermediate final in the last 10 years, before senior b was introduced.
Edenderry had a mass exodus from their club when players were told to solely concentrate on football.
Unfortunately for Ballyfore, this would be to their detriment. Taking in 12 fellow parishioners. They returned to Edenderry the following year, pissing off Ballyfore, their arrival to Ballyfore was not universally welcomed either.
Ballyfore we’re intermediate until 2015. Got relegated from junior A in 2016, won junior B last year, struggled at junior A this year.
Worse again, their whole underage setup is in with Edenderry, with Ballyfore having no say at all.
Not even a concession of jersey colour or name. Their best player, David Brady transferred to Edenderry upon their relegation from junior A. Because they’re in the same parish, this has set a disastrous and in my opinion worrying precedent.
There’s plenty more examples too, which is quite worrying.
its hardly a precedent its always he way with half parishes and as often the traffic is both ways. players who are dropped or fall out with the larger club often seek refuge with the junior club indeed it often how the junior club ids formed in the first place look at the ballygawley/errigal Ciaran row drom years back , but it great to have the junior club there to allow these lads to keep playing .
ofte time there is a unnoffical arrangement as to the border between certain clubs though enforceable only by a lifetime of hatred and distrust
im sure bally fore don't want most of their team made up of townies