NFL Division 1 2022

[Main Street]

As usual Armagh fans can't accept that the world isn't against them and just take their medicine.

All I've heard this year is referees or the media are out to get us.

Frustrating that no bans for Dublin v Kerry, surely, but when you get involved in those things you take a risk and we can't yap about bans.

I think the issue is probably two fold. Like most northern counties, Armagh think there is an anti northern bias within the association. Whether that's correct or not is largely immaterial because it's the clear perception.

That perception is then further reinforced by what can be seen happening. No sanctions to southern teams in similar circumstances, Murphy getting away with what he did on Sunday etc. If all you want to achieve is fairness in what is already an inherently unfair competition (with how the provincial draws work) etc then incidents like this past weekend can be hard to take so I think the criticism of referees etc can be understood if not justified.

My particular gripe is actually with the rule itself. I have no idea what a melee is. I have no idea how 4 Tyrone players ended up sent off for contributing to it and I think it's an offence that clearly needs refinement. For that reason if I was the Armagh county board I would lawyer up (there were plenty of good ones at the match) and I would challenge the suspensions but that's only my personal opinion based on how I'll defined and nebulous the infraction is.

I wouldn't expect your angle to be any different, but the 'lawyering up' is contributing to the rules being unenforceable rather than being a result of it. If they came out and said a headlock was a red card offence, people would want a headlock defined. IF they defined the headlock, there would be people out with freeze frames and stopclocks measuring the angle of the arm, length of time etc.

What I would love to see, is:
- set up a rules / refereeing clarification group
- they meet to discuss and review how certain rules are being enforced
- issue feedback to referees, and the wider audience, with videos showing why one incident might be different to another.
- Video should highlight where particular incidents were adjudged correctly, or show how they would have liked the outcome.
Need to start looking at the spirit of the rules, and if we all as fans, coaches, players, referees keep getting this kind of clarification then we can see how it should look. Referees will still get decisions wrong, its a fast game on a large field, but at least we will have some idea of what is correct and what is wrong.

FWIW I think a lot of the feelings of unfair treatment from Armagh and Tyrone fans comes from each side winding the other up. The levels of focus on here in particular is due to the constant shitstirring/banter.

I completely disagree. From a legal perspective I feel the rule book is very poorly written and there's no reason why it should be. There are plenty of people who specialise in properly written robust rule books and are members of the association.  Guys like Liam Keane and the arbitrators of the DRA provide invaluable service to the association. Guys like that should be tasked with rewriting the rule book from the ground up.

Until that time when the rulebook has been rewritten, best just for teams to avoid these melees, exercise some dicipline, don't be bringing the game into ridicule and disrepute and then the public won't have to witness  the spectacle  of whining, whataboutery and paranoia.
Of course Donegal  did accept their punishment.

[Average Score]

Yeah best to walk away when being goaded, dragged, slapped, tripped some did during match time straight over to an official who waved them away.

[Milltown Row2]

I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.

What officials are you talking about? You're some dose

[Wildweasel74]

What players get up to now aday I put it down to who your manager is, a manager can cut that crap out over night if he wants. Pat Gilroy done it with Dublin. if u looked at the way they used to carry on during the 00's, Mickey Harte was a great manager but could ever understand why he never addressed Ryan Mc and Conor Gormley behaviour, thought these pair of players made Tyrone very unpopular, Kerry suddenly got very confrontatial, I put that down to Jack O'connor. Players got to take some responsibility, they all on the one note with mileage expenses, but would lie down and try get a opposition player send of the next. There's very little player respect these days.

[Armagh18]

It doesn't really there was a lot of stuff happened off the ball during the game, they did happen in front of officials, players complained to officials and nothing was done, maybe if we had stronger officials it wouldn't all come to a head.

Ah, it was the ref's fault!!! f**k off with this same shite

Nothing he said was wrong?

[Average Score]

I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.

What officials are you talking about? You're some dose

The car park attendants, you're making a fool out of yourself now.

[nrico2006]

What players get up to now aday I put it down to who your manager is, a manager can cut that crap out over night if he wants. Pat Gilroy done it with Dublin. if u looked at the way they used to carry on during the 00's, Mickey Harte was a great manager but could ever understand why he never addressed Ryan Mc and Conor Gormley behaviour, thought these pair of players made Tyrone very unpopular, Kerry suddenly got very confrontatial, I put that down to Jack O'connor. Players got to take some responsibility, they all on the one note with mileage expenses, but would lie down and try get a opposition player send of the next. There's very little player respect these days.

What did Conor Gormley ever do?

[Armagh18]

What players get up to now aday I put it down to who your manager is, a manager can cut that crap out over night if he wants. Pat Gilroy done it with Dublin. if u looked at the way they used to carry on during the 00's, Mickey Harte was a great manager but could ever understand why he never addressed Ryan Mc and Conor Gormley behaviour, thought these pair of players made Tyrone very unpopular, Kerry suddenly got very confrontatial, I put that down to Jack O'connor. Players got to take some responsibility, they all on the one note with mileage expenses, but would lie down and try get a opposition player send of the next. There's very little player respect these days.

Dublin were cute hoors, same as every decent team thats ever won anything!

[Milltown Row2]

I have yet to say ref but you make up whatever floats your boat.

What officials are you talking about? You're some dose

The car park attendants, you're making a fool out of yourself now.

Says the guy with the multiple bans snd different names 

[Average Score]

Petulance when called out, classy.

[Milltown Row2]

Petulance when called out, classy.

So explain who the car park attendant was that's an official?

[Average Score]

Petulance when called out, classy.

So explain who the car park attendant was that's an official?

Stick to price of a pint you are embarrassing yourself. Maybe you are on the red.

[Milltown Row2]

Petulance when called out, classy.

So explain who the car park attendant was that's an official?

Stick to price of a pint you are embarrassing yourself. Maybe you are on the red.

Ok then explain the official bit please and why were players complaining to the parking attendants, could they not get out?

[Average Score]

Ffs get a grip there are 7 officials in a match, go on and take a redner.

[Milltown Row2]

Ffs get a grip there are 7 officials in a match, go on and take a redner.

Really digging a hole for yourself now... so these parking attendants, that are officially officials, that aren't ref's, when the players were complaining to them was it about Donegal one's getting out first?