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GAA Discussion / Re: East Belfast GAA
« on: August 12, 2022, 10:23:38 AM »
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,

80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.

The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.

Pumping money into it isn't the way to do it.

A proper plan needs to be put together.

Why should Derry City get it above other rural clubs who have their house in order.  People think in rural clubs that the gaa is the only thing.  Not true nowadays - there's loads of of distractions amd the drop out is as high I'd say in rural areas, as it is in city areas.  Fact of life nowadays.

I never suggesting pumping money in was the way to do it, but certainly money will be required. It doesn't need to be millions though.
For example, let say a club was to run a fun day (bouncy castles, ice cream van...you know the craic) to entice people through the doors. 2-3K would go a long way and would raise the club profile and generate a positive perception of the club being there to provide facilities to potential new families and players.
A bus, total guess, maybe 50K? If club got funding for a bus, they could perhaps swell their ranks by running a pickup/dropoff service with the bus.
That's what I mean by innovative ideas.
By involving more people, with the club directly the kids automatically get more access to volunteer coaches as opposed to paid for (usually temporary) games development officers in schools. The ideal scenario is for all of this to be running together over a prolonged period of time. That's where the real issue is I think....its so difficult to maintain momentum as people come and go.

I'd have no issue with East Belfast GAA, or any other club, getting funding provided its funding that is open to all to apply for and it is dispersed in a fair way.

In my mind, the more clubs and people involved across the board the better.

Fair enough TBrick18.

I think a club, through local businesses, should be fit to fund/host days like that themselves.

There's a lot of goodwill out there if people are asked, they'll help out.

Coaches and man/woman power may be where the issue lies. But if a plan is put together in a structured and realistic way, it should work out.

Best thing to do is focus on the underage and plough the majority of resources into it....instead of the senior team.

100% agree with that. Focus on those underage structures make the whole club focus on finding ways to make the children want to go there and take part. Involve the parents in coaching underage teams, work towards getting whole family buy in. Offer up the coaching courses to anyone with an interest.
Those parent helpers today are the fund raisers, coaches and committee members of the future. Over time, if this is all done right, you have a conveyor belt of kids, coaches, committee members and a means to generate the finance needed to run a club. My old club had even offered to pay for a coach to go into the local schools each week....doesn't amount to massive money when compared to the cost of running a club. Say 3 hours per school per week in a town with 4-5 schools. £400 a week would do a lot.
I'd love to see Gaelic coaches going into integrated schools. From what I've seen of the integrated sector, there's not much gaa coached there.
Games development officers can complement this and there's always the ability to apply for funding.
I'd hope the East Belfast club are trying to do this. It might be more difficult for a new club in an area like that to get enough children involved so that underage teams can be set up, so they'll always struggle and will probably be more dependant on funding than larger clubs.
But like I said, no issue with them getting the funding so long as it's through the same channels the rest of the clubs have to go through.

I actually think its a brilliant idea to set this club up. Ignoring the Bryson antics, it give any moderate unionist curious about the GAA the opportunity to go try it out for themselves. It also provides catholics in the area somewhere to go and play the sport they love. There are so many positive things about it and for me, this is what the GAA is about.

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GAA Discussion / Re: East Belfast GAA
« on: August 11, 2022, 02:45:50 PM »
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,

80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.

The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.

Pumping money into it isn't the way to do it.

A proper plan needs to be put together.

Why should Derry City get it above other rural clubs who have their house in order.  People think in rural clubs that the gaa is the only thing.  Not true nowadays - there's loads of of distractions amd the drop out is as high I'd say in rural areas, as it is in city areas.  Fact of life nowadays.

I never suggesting pumping money in was the way to do it, but certainly money will be required. It doesn't need to be millions though.
For example, let say a club was to run a fun day (bouncy castles, ice cream van...you know the craic) to entice people through the doors. 2-3K would go a long way and would raise the club profile and generate a positive perception of the club being there to provide facilities to potential new families and players.
A bus, total guess, maybe 50K? If club got funding for a bus, they could perhaps swell their ranks by running a pickup/dropoff service with the bus.
That's what I mean by innovative ideas.
By involving more people, with the club directly the kids automatically get more access to volunteer coaches as opposed to paid for (usually temporary) games development officers in schools. The ideal scenario is for all of this to be running together over a prolonged period of time. That's where the real issue is I think....its so difficult to maintain momentum as people come and go.

I'd have no issue with East Belfast GAA, or any other club, getting funding provided its funding that is open to all to apply for and it is dispersed in a fair way.

In my mind, the more clubs and people involved across the board the better.

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General discussion / Re: Voice calls
« on: August 11, 2022, 12:24:22 PM »
There's definitely issues with the generation of the noughties around being able to communicate in person.
I was recently at a stag do for a younger family member. Didnt really know any of his friends but kind of had to go. Back when I was in my 20s and going to stag do's the craic was deadly. Everyone having the laugh, would have talked the leg off any woman stupid enough to let us and it was a ball.
Got added to the customary whatapp group pre-stag and the messages were a bit of craic so I was thinking this might be alright for a weekend away.
But my god, not a one of them can hold a conversation. All heads down on the phone. Sitting in the pub, lads texting other from the other side of a table.
I was honestly shocked at how poor the social skills were for this generation brought up with social media.
Went to a bar/club sort of place at night, everyone drinking away but nobody able to strike up a conversation with random strangers, apart from the few auld married men. lol.
So we took it upon ourselves to torture the life out of all the young boys.

Doesnt surprise me to hear that some people are nervous about making voice calls. It's that inability to directly converse with someone. Communication skills are probably worse than they ever were at a time when it's easier than ever to communicate.


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GAA Discussion / Re: East Belfast GAA
« on: August 11, 2022, 12:05:49 PM »
Only way Derry City would progress is 10 coaches to cover all Primary and secondary schools. Drop off got to be nearly 80% of children from school age group to senior. Deprived City, so many move away,

80% drop of kids between school age and senior might not be unique to Derry City. I'd guess in most clubs there's a huge drop off post school age. How many minors go on to make it at senior level? Generally if you get 4-5 new players filtering into a senior panel every year you are doing well. One of the major failings of the GAA imo. Social games need to become more prominent to provide for all.

The deprivation factor is a good point. Some kids simply cannot afford the gear/membership fees/travel expenses of getting to training or matches.
Perhaps innovative ideas here to make it easier to participate if you come from a deprived background. Funding for kit for example? Perhaps funding for a club minibus in a city area to pick up and drop off kids to training/matches?
All of this needs someone/or group of someone's within a club to organise and manage though.

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GAA Discussion / Re: East Belfast GAA
« on: August 11, 2022, 11:57:07 AM »
The GAA should give this club millions, purchase them a ground and let them grow

Why??
Surely their neighbours Bredagh would be equally as deserving of financial backing to secure their own club grounds. East Belfast are no more inclusive than any other gaa club.

For the same reason they backwd the likes of Cuala. Big untapped catchment area and important symbolism

Naw can't agree. We have the biggest untapped area for hurling in Ireland and they won't give us a penny. They should not be getting any preferential treatment over lads who have ploughed lonely furrows for 30-40 years.

Is that not an advantage in a way?

A big city with only one hurling club.

Should be flying it.

Only an advantage of you can get a full-time coach into schools. That was our proposal. Tumble weed from Ulster Council

What's Hinphey doing?

He's out in county, good lad though
???

As in rural county Derry?

No one with a remit in the city GDO wise or whatever they call themselves?

Yeah outside city. Nobody employed to look at city. Massive potential

That is indeed astounding, city that size with no one working in it in terms of games development, I'm assuming hurling and football..

Ach sure it's a soccer city is probably the refrain, but sure look at Limerick, rugby city until Limerick CB got to work on that..

Limerick got an awful lot of funding from JP McManus, not sure many other counties would have a donor as generous.
So it's not really a fair comparison between Limerick and Derry.

I do agree Derry City seems to be an untapped resource. I'm not overly familiar, but was there not a GDO in derry city previously? Neil Forrester maybe?
It needs to be a sustained effort too, no point having someone working in schools for a year. It needs to be an ongoing long term process with realistic expectations of what that can achieve.
In my experience though, to get kids interested and keep them involved, the single biggest factor is the parents. They need to be engaged with the clubs, or perhaps the clubs need to be engaged with them more closely. It takes a huge amount of sustained effort from a club in city areas to get people through the door and keep them coming back. Without parents who are willing to take their kids and get involved no amount of games development officers will improve things drastically.
In the past we ran free family fun days, for example, to get families through the door who'd never have entertained the thought of it previously. It needs to be made as easy as possible and as inviting as possible for as many people as possible for a club to thrive, imo.

I don't think it can be as simple as a CB putting a GDO in place, it needs clubs and families to drive it first and foremost. Of course, that is going on already in a lot of cases, but sometimes it comes across like some clubs/counties site back and complain because their County Board or Croke Park are not doing anything for them. It's not easy in cities though as there are so many other distractions (not just soccer).  Whereas lots of rural clubs only have the GAA. If you're not involved, there's nothing else, so you tend to get the whole community in the area being involved in some way.

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General discussion / Re: TV Show recommendations
« on: August 08, 2022, 12:18:00 PM »
Better Call Saul is having a really good season.
First real explicit cross-over into Breaking Bad in the last episode I watched.

Also just started watching Bosch. 2 episodes in and it seems really good.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: July 27, 2022, 01:48:47 PM »
Crazy in this day and age. . . you have easy access to all broadcast sports and can see the successful broadcasting formats.

You audition lads for personality and give them some media training so they can handle themselves properly on screen without losing their opinions and backbone.

The fact there isn't a recap style show like MNF with proper analysis and a legend of the game as a guest to add some extra insight is ridiculous as far as I can see.

Even some kind of mish mash magazine show presented by the 2 Johnnies (or someone like that) lacing a bit of craic through the GAA scene would be deadly.

They have so much they can do and they just won't it's so frustrating!

Brilliant idea.

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Stars 2022
« on: July 27, 2022, 11:44:11 AM »
Pretty sure we will see a team announced from 2000 to 2022 just like the hurling so here is a first stab at that:
Cluxton
Marc OSe
Moynihan
Higgins
Mccarthy
McGeeney
McCaffrey
Fenton
Cavanagh
Connolly
Cooper
Kilkenny
Clifford
Con
Canavan

Some I couldn't get in
Dara and tomas Ose
Michael Murphy
Declan OSullivan
Ricey
Philip Jordan
Stephen. ONeill
Mcmahon and Cooper
Paul Flynn
James Odonoghue
Karl Lacey
Brian McGuigan

I dont disagree with any of the players above, but with a total Derry bias applied I think all of the following would be in contention for this team:
Sean Marty Lockhart
Kevin McCloy
Kevin McGuckian
Fergal Doherty
Paddy Bradley
Enda Muldoon

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: July 27, 2022, 11:35:20 AM »
The only good thing about the Sunday Game is the theme tune.

Personalities are non-existent and actually seem to be frowned upon.
Analysis is just a series of soundbites and cliche's.
Zero entertainment value.
It's so PC it's become a non-entity.

So if there is no entertainment, no decent analysis....then what is the Sunday Game?

They need to completely clear out the personnel. Now that the mainstays are gone its a great opportunity for RTE to get this right.
They need to decide if they are going for entertainment OR in depth analysis because it seems they are unable to get it right if trying to do both. Then based on this decision, recruit entertainers OR analysts. Putting both together on the same panel doesnt seem to work and probably is what has caused friction previously.

Possibly have a panel of anchors and rotate between them as Cantwell just doesn't work imo.

Recently retired players who have played the modern game and who have managed at some level to provide the analysis. Last thing you want is guys on there harking back to the good old days.
But they also need to have some decent presentation skills. What about ex-referee's as analysts? Pat Mceneany for example?

I dont know what the magic formula is but the current formula just does not work.



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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: July 26, 2022, 01:14:16 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
This board is too easy sometimes.  Lol.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: July 26, 2022, 09:44:40 AM »
Number 1 .... Sean Cavanagh loves Sean Cavanagh.  When Brian Dooher was playing for Tyrone he did the 'donkey work' ( ie handed him easy ball) for him and he was a very efficient and effective cog in that Tyrone set -up .... when Dooher retired Sean Cavanagh wasn't nearly as effective or as influential.

I personally think he was one of the most overrated players in the Tyrone setup during those years.
I always remember thinking he showed up well when a game was already won, getting a couple of scores maybe in the last 10 when they were already 8 up.
Rarely was he the player to pull them through in a difficult game.
Dooher, as you say, was that type of player.
He has nothing of interest to say in the punditry side of things. Stutters a lot and repeats lots of cliche's but no real insights.
He's certainly got more confident in the role than he was, but he brings nothing to it.

I'd much prefer to listen to people with their own opinions rather than this sanitised repetitive jargon. The result is that every game has the same commentary and analysis with nothing insightful or entertaining to offer. I used to always watch the RTE pre-match, half-time and post game analysis. I just cant bring myself to do it now.....a complete bore-fest which is chaired by the queen of bore in Cantwell.

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GAA Discussion / Re: The Sunday Game
« on: July 25, 2022, 11:38:50 AM »
RTÉ could do us all a favour by getting rid of Cahill and " I didn't see what happened there" McStay
You could add Cantwell, Whelan and Cavanagh to that list.

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Watching that back I definitely think he got the free in to Kerry from the arm hold at the end wrong and it swung the game. The arm was held yes but the arm was near enough round the neck before and definite foul out. The rest of the game he was great - I'm unsure what the right answer is/was on the shoulder sandwich for Kerry. I think most would have given what he did.

I actually think he was right on not giving the Galway goalie a black card too.

Watch it again, below shoulder and he was 'reaching' in at the ball round the neck is a foul and this wasn't the case

Very seldom is the player in possession of the ball penalised in that situation and Spillanes arm was around the neck before Daly grabbed it. It has to be judged in the context of how he refereed the rest of the match and nobody in the stadium would have batted an eyelid if it had been a free out or had he even played on. Nobody expected a free kick to be given to Kerry in that instance, so he got that one wrong. Hence the booing. The very fact that such a match swung on such a crucial decision will gnaw at Galway for a long time to come.
Galway only got back into the game because of the free from the shoulder (which wasn't a free), they were 2 points behind at that stage and hadn't scored in over 10 minutes. Kerry looked to be cruising. You could argue either way on the Daly decision i think, both momentum swings at the time but in the end i think it evened itself out.

Yeah there were a few calls that actually could have gone either way tbh.
I thought on the whole the ref had a good game. Played the advantage well, didn't get too involved.

I thought Walsh was the best player on the field myself. He was really the only forward for Galway who was firing which made his performance all the more impressive.
Comer not in the game at all.
Clifford had some game too, but imo, Walsh just shaded it.
It was a good game in terms of how it swung to and and fro and some of the point scoring was off the charts in terms of quality.
Both teams played very defensively, a lot of lateral passing (which other teams got lambasted for earlier in the year), so I wouldn't say it was a brilliant game as there were long passages of play when not much happened.

Kerry just about deserved the win given that in the 2nd half their forwards stepped up and didn't leave it all to Clifford. The substitutions certainly made an impact. I thought it was a brave move to take Geany off but utlimately it was the right call.
Galway didn't make enough of their dominance in the first half and too many of their forwards were not effective.
McDaid had a great game too. Disappointed for Galway, but it could be the start of something for them. A strong side, relatively young too.
Kerry could push on from this as well.
The next few years look a lot more interesting now in terms of all-irelands. Realistically there's maybe 5-6 teams in with a shout in Kerry, Galway, Dublin, Armagh, Derry. Tyrone may have slipped back I think.
Donegal will have a new manager so might come strong too.

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I think Galway cannot afford to lay back on Kerry. I think if they look at Tyrones win last year and in Killarney this year, if you lay back Kerry will score enough from less chances. You must go at them with runners and support runners - blitzkreig.  For the first time in a long time Kerry defensive unit will tackle in groups which in my head means a forward will need 2-3 possessions more than normal to get a score, he will need the support runners coming at speed and must not get caught in pockets or in static positions. You can sit back of course, but you cannot win, you must go at them with massive energy and in 3s. Tyrone defeated them in Killarney and Croke Park with a combination of patience and explosiveness but they did not hold back one bit or turn laterally very much.  The underdog must have a bite at it. To compare with Derry in the semi final. It was almost that because Derry didn't really have a  go at them that Galway realised they were on for a final and pushed on... the more positive team ultimately won and will win again on Sunday.
I suspect however Galway will revert on the occasion and be almost too patient. not much wrong with that but I think unless they bring an attacking running aggression, Kerry should score more than enough from less chances than any team in Ireland, if a defensive game materialises. Its a fascinating battle but I think Kerry are better, less careless and more mature than 2021, are very hungry and normally the better team will win if the hunger is equal. So whilst I predicted 12 points in the prediction thread I genuinely expect Kerry to win by 5 - 8 points. Cant wait.   

Good post.
It wouldn't be a major shock if Galway win, but you would expect Kerry to push on and win this one.
I think they have a little bit more quality all over the pitch. Galway do have some exceptional players, but they will all need to be playing to their absolute best to be in with a chance.
Whereas for Kerry, one or two could have an off day and they would still have enough.

All that being said, even though Galway are a bogey team for Derry, I've always had a soft spot for them. Would love to see them win it.

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