Gaelic Football - Rules & Regulations discussion/clarification

[Main Street]

I thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that

This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

[Rossfan]

To paraphrase the T. O. Playing Rules of Football
The tackle in Gaelic Football is a skill and is made on the ball.


In practice a good tackle is slapping the ball out of the hands if the player in possession.


TO also says goalkeeper may not be charged in the small parallelogram but may be challenged for possession

[imtommygunn]

The goal

The keeper needed to be much stronger than that. He didn't hold on to the ball at all.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

There is not a single thing wrong with that goal. He legally tackled the goalkeeper and the ball fell into the net.

[Main Street]

To paraphrase the T. O. Playing Rules of Football
The tackle in Gaelic Football is a skill and is made on the ball.


In practice a good tackle is slapping the ball out of the hands if the player in possession.


TO also says goalkeeper may not be charged in the small parallelogram but may be challenged for possession

I get that bit, I never had any issue with the tackle. I was more thinking (in error) of a goal being scored by slapping a static ball out of the goalie's grip and that being against the rule on goals scored by the hand, rather than the ball falling over the line as a consequence of a legal tackle. 

[David McKeown]

I thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that

This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that

This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in

In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?

[Milltown Row2]

I thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that

This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in

In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?

I could 'drop' the ball not bounce it, palm it into the net and that's allowed

It's the definition of drop rather than bounce that the ref will decide.

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

I was thinking more about not catching the ball after a toe tap but punching it to the net.

[Milltown Row2]

I was thinking more about not catching the ball after a toe tap but punching it to the net.

Yeah I'm sure that's acceptable

[David McKeown]

I thought it was a perfectly good goal under the rules.  I always interpreted any ball not in the control of the player in question to be a ball in flight provided it wasn't on the ground. So you cant kick it up for your self to fist in but can fist it any other format provided there is no other rule break.  I'd also like to see the physics of who actually touches the ball last but you'd need at least a high speed camera for that

This ball was not in flight and was in the full control of the goalie when it was struck out of his hands into the net. What rule are thinking of that favors the ref's decision in this situation?

In flight isn't defined. I always understood it to mean any ball not on the ground or in your possession. I'm not sure how any other interpretation of it would work. It can't simply mean in the air otherwise you could solo a ball and then punch it in

In flight is defined.

The ball is deemed to be in flight, once it is off the ground, having been played away within the Rules of Fair Play.

Are you certain the part in bold is against the rules?

I did not know this thanks. I wonder when this was added because I don't remember it when I worked on the rule book. I think the bit in bold would be against that definition as it wouldn't be played away.

Having looked at the rule book though and not relied on my clearly wrong memory it doesn't matter about in flight in this situation.

Under the rules.

3.1 A goal is scored when the ball is played over the goal-line between the posts and under the crossbar by either team.

Exception

A player on the team attacking a goal and who is in possession of the ball may not score:
(i) by carrying the ball over his opponents' goal line;
(ii) a goal with his hands except as provided in Rule 1.2, Exception (ii) but may score a point with the open hand(s) or fist.

So the Roscommon lad wasn't in possession I wouldn't say so the goal was fine

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

The issue is that "played away" isn't defined.
To be honest I thought all goals scored with the hand were fine apart from typical hand passes and where the ball has been illegally touched on the ground.

[Eire90]

goals from hands should be worth only 1 point (except own goals from hand they should be worth 3)

[Main Street]

I loathe that hand slap and the  (volleyball) palm push into the net. I say bring back the manly punch as the only option for scoring a goal with the hand.

[AustinPowers]

I loathe that hand slap and the  (volleyball) palm push into the net. I say bring back the manly punch as the only option for scoring a goal with the hand.

Amen to that

Ban the fisted point  while  they're at it