A discussion on a club mass came up last week. Personally I want them stopped but the God squad in our club always want them. Should these be done away with?
Is it compulsory attendance?
I'm sure its no big deal if you go or not.
Why would you do away with them? Club masses for the deacesed members of the club?
Anyone that wants to go can go. Anyone that doesn't want to go doesn't have to.
We've had club masses in our club for at least 30 years (probably more!), but I don't think I've ever attended one of them!
Quote from: downjim on January 14, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
A discussion on a club mass came up last week. Personally I want them stopped but the God squad in our club always want them. Should these be done away with?
If the purpose is to remember deceased members, then why would you want it stopped?
I just think that the Catholic Church and club should be separate. In areas with a high percentage of C of I does masses happen for members??
Quote from: downjim on January 14, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
I just think that the Catholic Church and club should be separate. In areas with a high percentage of C of I does masses happen for members??
If there is mostly COI membership, and I'd be interested to know where this is, then you could have a COI commemoration for deceased members or an ecumenical one
Quote from: downjim on January 14, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
I just think that the Catholic Church and club should be separate. In areas with a high percentage of C of I does masses happen for members??
I know in our Club, like the other GAA Clubs in our Parish, there is an Annual Mass for deceased members in November. I would estimate that the numbers our Club who attend would be less than 20% of the membership. There is no onus on anyone to attend - no roll call taken. There is some organization that takes place around the ceremony, and those Club members that are involved in that, do so gladly. I get a sense that those that attend take great comfort from the fact that their loved ones are remembered.
I can understand the point of view that some have that they would prefer the Club and the Catholic Church kept separate. However I'd hope that those that do would not be intolerant of their fellow Club members who wish to remember loved ones via an Annual Mass.
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Quote from: downjim on January 14, 2019, 10:58:39 AM
I just think that the Catholic Church and club should be separate. In areas with a high percentage of C of I does masses happen for members??
Do you actually have reason for wanting them ended of is just a case of you think they should be separate. Is there compulsory attendance or something? If not, what difference is it for you?
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Here, what's the deal with paying for such masses? Isn't it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Here, what's the deal with paying for such masses? Isn't it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?
No different to anyone else getting a mass said, if the priest wants to waive his fee its down to him.
But the Parish is the community it won't be able to function running at a loss, much the same as the GAA club. Im sure the treasurer would have a thing or two to say about waiving the entrance fee for matches
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 14, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Here, what's the deal with paying for such masses? Isn't it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?
No different to anyone else getting a mass said, if the priest wants to waive his fee its down to him.
But the Parish is the community it won't be able to function running at a loss, much the same as the GAA club. Im sure the treasurer would have a thing or two to say about waiving the entrance fee for matches
What about an anniversary that falls on a Sunday? Sure a mass will be said anyway, so why does the priest need paying for a mass he's saying anyway?
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2019, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 14, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Here, what's the deal with paying for such masses? Isn't it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?
No different to anyone else getting a mass said, if the priest wants to waive his fee its down to him.
But the Parish is the community it won't be able to function running at a loss, much the same as the GAA club. Im sure the treasurer would have a thing or two to say about waiving the entrance fee for matches
What about an anniversary that falls on a Sunday? Sure a mass will be said anyway, so why does the priest need paying for a mass he's saying anyway?
A Parish cant run at a loss, same as a club or any other type of organisation if it does so there will soon no masses said Sunday or not
As I said its up to the individual priest and parish.
I'm all for deeper integration of the church, club and county. We need every deity on our side whether real or imagined if we're ever going to get back to the heavenly heights of Division 1.
I don't a priest charges for mass but most people make a donation to him.
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 14, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Here, what's the deal with paying for such masses? Isn't it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?
No different to anyone else getting a mass said, if the priest wants to waive his fee its down to him.
But the Parish is the community it won't be able to function running at a loss, much the same as the GAA club. Im sure the treasurer would have a thing or two to say about waiving the entrance fee for matches
The money goes to the priest in most cases.
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 14, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Here, what's the deal with paying for such masses? Isn't it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?
No different to anyone else getting a mass said, if the priest wants to waive his fee its down to him.
But the Parish is the community it won't be able to function running at a loss, much the same as the GAA club. Im sure the treasurer would have a thing or two to say about waiving the entrance fee for matches
The money goes to the priest in most cases.
In a lot of clubs, isn't the parish priest the honorary president of the club? Can't imagine him hitting them up for €50 if he is.
I know of clubs that have suffered a lot of tragedy and the annual mass is a great way to bring people together., but that being said it could just as easily be held in the parish church as the club house
I know of one club where the mass coincided with a bingo night and the members couldn't hardly even get in the door there was such a throng
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: omaghjoe on January 14, 2019, 06:01:01 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on January 14, 2019, 05:30:22 PM
Quote from: Itchy on January 14, 2019, 01:42:13 PM
No fan of the church and definitely support separation of church from everything but I see no harm in having a mass for club members. Go or dont go, its up to the individual. Of course the priest should waive his 50 euro fee for such a community event.
Here, what's the deal with paying for such masses? Isn't it the priests duty to say mass for his parishioners?
No different to anyone else getting a mass said, if the priest wants to waive his fee its down to him.
But the Parish is the community it won't be able to function running at a loss, much the same as the GAA club. Im sure the treasurer would have a thing or two to say about waiving the entrance fee for matches
The money goes to the priest in most cases.
Not always esp on a Sunday when he is likely saying multiple masses.
Anyway if he does its likely a special out of schedule mass or a regular schedule mass for which he would be getting it for anyway.
The issue with a Club Mass is that it is almost stating this is the official religion of the GAA or particularly the Club and could feel exclusionary to people of other faiths, its probably not a big deal to most Atheists or such because we are used to religious ceremony being used more like culture than devotion in Irish society and it doesn't really matter the brand.
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I'm a senior official in my club and wouldn't attend a club mass if it took place in my living room.
That said I genuinely understand why some people expect and enjoy such a service, and I'll wholeheartedly support any proposals for the ceremony to be continued, so long as those who want it understand that it's not for everyone.
Amen to that
Quote from: downjim on January 14, 2019, 10:31:44 AM
A discussion on a club mass came up last week. Personally I want them stopped but the God squad in our club always want them. Should these be done away with?
Some day, your club will be hit by tragedy, or the life of one or more of your players or members will hang by a thread after an accident or other catastrophe. You won't be as smart then.
Ridiculous for anyone to be giving out about a club mass. I'd say 95 per cent plus of members in most clubs over the years will have been christened, made confession, made communion, made confirmation in a chapel and if they've subsequently got married or died the wedding/funeral will have taken place in a chapel. If people who are religious want to remember these people in the chapel and other club members who have passed away then that's a nice thing to do and should be encouraged.
If the local church of Ireland (or other church) wants to remember any club members that were members of that church (or other churches) then I'd be equally as happy.
Trying to stop masses paying tribute to past members is absolutely twisted and if anyone is trying to force their opinion on others it's the people who are trying to ban the masses.
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Ridiculous for anyone to be giving out about a club mass. I'd say 95 per cent plus of members in most clubs over the years will have been christened, made confession, made communion, made confirmation in a chapel and if they've subsequently got married or died the wedding/funeral will have taken place in a chapel. If people who are religious want to remember these people in the chapel and other club members who have passed away then that's a nice thing to do and should be encouraged.
If the local church of Ireland (or other church) wants to remember any club members that were members of that church (or other churches) then I'd be equally as happy.
Trying to stop masses paying tribute to past members is absolutely twisted and if anyone is trying to force their opinion on others it's the people who are trying to ban the masses.
Having a club mass in defacto makes the club a Catholic organisation
There should be zero mention of any religion in a GAA club
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 17, 2019, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Ridiculous for anyone to be giving out about a club mass. I'd say 95 per cent plus of members in most clubs over the years will have been christened, made confession, made communion, made confirmation in a chapel and if they've subsequently got married or died the wedding/funeral will have taken place in a chapel. If people who are religious want to remember these people in the chapel and other club members who have passed away then that's a nice thing to do and should be encouraged.
If the local church of Ireland (or other church) wants to remember any club members that were members of that church (or other churches) then I'd be equally as happy.
Trying to stop masses paying tribute to past members is absolutely twisted and if anyone is trying to force their opinion on others it's the people who are trying to ban the masses.
Having a club mass in defacto makes the club a Catholic organisation
There should be zero mention of any religion in a GAA club
The organisations whether we like it or not have were intertwined since the birth of the GAA.
While it might not be "modern inclusive" to set aside a single function a year that allows those who still feel like this to celebrate it, it would generally be wiser step than disenfranchising those who feel it is important.
Club masses will die out naturally over the next generation or two. There's no need to force the situation through.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2019, 01:03:16 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 17, 2019, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Ridiculous for anyone to be giving out about a club mass. I'd say 95 per cent plus of members in most clubs over the years will have been christened, made confession, made communion, made confirmation in a chapel and if they've subsequently got married or died the wedding/funeral will have taken place in a chapel. If people who are religious want to remember these people in the chapel and other club members who have passed away then that's a nice thing to do and should be encouraged.
If the local church of Ireland (or other church) wants to remember any club members that were members of that church (or other churches) then I'd be equally as happy.
Trying to stop masses paying tribute to past members is absolutely twisted and if anyone is trying to force their opinion on others it's the people who are trying to ban the masses.
Having a club mass in defacto makes the club a Catholic organisation
There should be zero mention of any religion in a GAA club
The organisations whether we like it or not have were intertwined since the birth of the GAA.
While it might not be "modern inclusive" to set aside a single function a year that allows those who still feel like this to celebrate it, it would generally be wiser step than disenfranchising those who feel it is important.
Club masses will die out naturally over the next generation or two. There's no need to force the situation through.
Not a big fan of Mass to begin with but if the rest of the club want to go to the local church to remember past members then that's fine.
Any club still getting new sets of jerseys blessed?
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2019, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2019, 01:03:16 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 17, 2019, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Ridiculous for anyone to be giving out about a club mass. I'd say 95 per cent plus of members in most clubs over the years will have been christened, made confession, made communion, made confirmation in a chapel and if they've subsequently got married or died the wedding/funeral will have taken place in a chapel. If people who are religious want to remember these people in the chapel and other club members who have passed away then that's a nice thing to do and should be encouraged.
If the local church of Ireland (or other church) wants to remember any club members that were members of that church (or other churches) then I'd be equally as happy.
Trying to stop masses paying tribute to past members is absolutely twisted and if anyone is trying to force their opinion on others it's the people who are trying to ban the masses.
Having a club mass in defacto makes the club a Catholic organisation
There should be zero mention of any religion in a GAA club
The organisations whether we like it or not have were intertwined since the birth of the GAA.
While it might not be "modern inclusive" to set aside a single function a year that allows those who still feel like this to celebrate it, it would generally be wiser step than disenfranchising those who feel it is important.
Club masses will die out naturally over the next generation or two. There's no need to force the situation through.
Not a big fan of Mass to begin with but if the rest of the club want to go to the local church to remember past members then that's fine.
Any club still getting new sets of jerseys blessed?
Was that a thing?
Don't ever remember that done in our club! Maybe that's why we didn't win too much!! :P
Quote from: westbound on January 17, 2019, 10:09:35 AM
Quote from: johnnycool on January 17, 2019, 09:10:13 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on January 17, 2019, 01:03:16 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 17, 2019, 12:06:20 AM
Quote from: Redhand Santa on January 16, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Ridiculous for anyone to be giving out about a club mass. I'd say 95 per cent plus of members in most clubs over the years will have been christened, made confession, made communion, made confirmation in a chapel and if they've subsequently got married or died the wedding/funeral will have taken place in a chapel. If people who are religious want to remember these people in the chapel and other club members who have passed away then that's a nice thing to do and should be encouraged.
If the local church of Ireland (or other church) wants to remember any club members that were members of that church (or other churches) then I'd be equally as happy.
Trying to stop masses paying tribute to past members is absolutely twisted and if anyone is trying to force their opinion on others it's the people who are trying to ban the masses.
Having a club mass in defacto makes the club a Catholic organisation
There should be zero mention of any religion in a GAA club
The organisations whether we like it or not have were intertwined since the birth of the GAA.
While it might not be "modern inclusive" to set aside a single function a year that allows those who still feel like this to celebrate it, it would generally be wiser step than disenfranchising those who feel it is important.
Club masses will die out naturally over the next generation or two. There's no need to force the situation through.
Not a big fan of Mass to begin with but if the rest of the club want to go to the local church to remember past members then that's fine.
Any club still getting new sets of jerseys blessed?
Was that a thing?
Don't ever remember that done in our club! Maybe that's why we didn't win too much!! :P
Maybe Fr Horan would have been better served blessing a few county jerseys than worrying about an airport back in the day ;) ;)
Down Jim, Angry as I am regarding church controversies, and the resultant suffering, I think it is unfair to ignore the fact that the Catholic Church and other religions have also had significant positive influence on society.
Our club has members from different religions and none. Many of our members come from a generation which enjoy great comfort from their religion. Community remembrance is long established and not exclusive to any religion. Why should we deprive anyone of that comfort and support?
It's not compulsory and creating conflict around the issue is likely to cause upset to some. Many clubs engage with and provide support for charities and community organisations, should we stop this as well? Of course not, the GAA has historically been linked with a lot of organisations to support and provide comfort to their members and others, that's what we're about.
No harm in a mass. Its every individuals own choice. The church is going to make a massive come back anyhow sometime in the future, not in its current guise maybe, but certainly some form of it.
A GAA club should not be associating or promoting the activities of an organisation that spent decades covering up child abuse and the mistreatment of women
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 18, 2019, 11:02:45 PM
A GAA club should not be associating or promoting the activities of an organisation that spent decades covering up child abuse and the mistreatment of women
That's insightful.
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 18, 2019, 11:02:45 PM
A GAA club should not be associating or promoting the activities of an organisation that spent decades covering up child abuse and the mistreatment of women
Let them not turn on the BBC in the clubhouse then.
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2019, 01:21:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 18, 2019, 11:02:45 PM
A GAA club should not be associating or promoting the activities of an organisation that spent decades covering up child abuse and the mistreatment of women
Let them not turn on the BBC in the clubhouse then.
Most gaa clubhouses don't have a tv.
We shouldn't have the church near our sports clubs nor near our schools
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/man-facing-almost-400-sex-offence-charges-was-former-underage-gaa-coach-37727686.html
Maybe we need to keep our children away from GAA clubs
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 19, 2019, 07:49:38 AM
Quote from: armaghniac on January 19, 2019, 01:21:22 AM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on January 18, 2019, 11:02:45 PM
A GAA club should not be associating or promoting the activities of an organisation that spent decades covering up child abuse and the mistreatment of women
Let them not turn on the BBC in the clubhouse then.
Most gaa clubhouses don't have a tv.license
Fixed that for you.