Dublin v Mayo 2020 All-Ireland final

[Milltown Row2]

Its crazy that you are looking at Cluxton as being one of the main reasons for Dublins dominance, teams nowadays just give up the kickouts, which automatically give the team possession. As a shot stopper he's been asked to do it less that the other keepers out there, but when he does he does it well.

I'm not knocking keepers btw

[Maroon Manc]

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them.

At least two of those would be starters for Mayo I'd say, maybe all 3

If I'm picking the best 15 in the country 2 of them would be in the reckoning.

[TheGreatest]

Its crazy that you are looking at Cluxton as being one of the main reasons for Dublins dominance, teams nowadays just give up the kickouts, which automatically give the team possession. As a shot stopper he's been asked to do it less that the other keepers out there, but when he does he does it well.

I'm not knocking keepers btw

Mise?

Not going to go through whos a better player etc at this stage but people have short memories, if your only thinking of the last few years. He's a key part of it but obviously not the only reason for it.

Also people not taking into consideration outside of playing ability of what he brings to the set up, whether leadership skills or mentoring etc.

[macdanger2]

We're probably going to come under serious pressure on our own kickouts. Clarke isn't a brilliant kicker of the ball but when you look at the options he has to aim at, they're not great either:

Mullin/Barrett/Keegan - this is where Clarke would like to go but I presume Dublin will push right up and cut off these esp. if the game is in the balance

Coen/McLoughlin/Durcan - all decent options in the air but if one of these loses a high ball on the 45, the Dublin runner is straight in on goal, draws the cover, pops it inside and it's a goal

Ruane/Loftus - the best you can hope for here is that Ruane pulls Fenton away, Loftus/AN Other can break it and we swarm in to pick up the loose ball

DOC/ROD/McLoughlin - of these three, only DOC is likely to win a high ball and imo this should be our out ball if we're under pressure - midfield pulls to one wing, high ball to Diarmuid on the far touchline with a half back supporting

It doesn't make for hopeful reading tbh

[Angelo]

Its crazy that you are looking at Cluxton as being one of the main reasons for Dublins dominance, teams nowadays just give up the kickouts, which automatically give the team possession. As a shot stopper he's been asked to do it less that the other keepers out there, but when he does he does it well.

I'm not knocking keepers btw

Mise?

Not going to go through whos a better player etc at this stage but people have short memories, if your only thinking of the last few years. He's a key part of it but obviously not the only reason for it.

Also people not taking into consideration outside of playing ability of what he brings to the set up, whether leadership skills or mentoring etc.

Cluxton has plenty of brainfarts but gets away with them because he plays for Dublin and the outfield lads make the difference. Think he had a horror show early on against Galway in the semi final two years back.

[sid waddell]

Who do yis put on Fenton? Durcan I think

Keegan on Kilkenny

Barrett on O'Callaghan

[Mayo4Sam14]

Who do yis put on Fenton? Durcan I think

Keegan on Kilkenny

Barrett on O'Callaghan

Ruane on Fenton

Duncan on OCallaghan

[Estimator]

Its crazy that you are looking at Cluxton as being one of the main reasons for Dublins dominance, teams nowadays just give up the kickouts, which automatically give the team possession. As a shot stopper he's been asked to do it less that the other keepers out there, but when he does he does it well.

I'm not knocking keepers btw

Mise?

Not going to go through whos a better player etc at this stage but people have short memories, if your only thinking of the last few years. He's a key part of it but obviously not the only reason for it.

Also people not taking into consideration outside of playing ability of what he brings to the set up, whether leadership skills or mentoring etc.

Cluxton has plenty of brainfarts but gets away with them because he plays for Dublin and the outfield lads make the difference. Think he had a horror show early on against Galway in the semi final two years back.

You love singling out a negative like they are the rule as opposed to the exception.

You could point out the penalty saves in recent years against Geaney and Harte - AI final (2019) and semi-final (2017).
Made decent stops against O'Brien, Doherty, Murphy in recent finals as well. You could say that other keepers could have saved those, but that is his job... and he does it well.

You could point out Patton's mistake against Cavan that gifted them a goal and his poor fist pass that lead to Canavan's goal... or Beggan's daft kick at the end of the AI semi-final v Tyrone.. None of those incidents mean they are poor at their job or a liability either.

[Milltown Row2]

Its crazy that you are looking at Cluxton as being one of the main reasons for Dublins dominance, teams nowadays just give up the kickouts, which automatically give the team possession. As a shot stopper he's been asked to do it less that the other keepers out there, but when he does he does it well.

I'm not knocking keepers btw

Mise?

Not going to go through whos a better player etc at this stage but people have short memories, if your only thinking of the last few years. He's a key part of it but obviously not the only reason for it.

Also people not taking into consideration outside of playing ability of what he brings to the set up, whether leadership skills or mentoring etc.

I don't see the leadership on the pitch and he comes across as being quiet enough, I don't doubt what you are saying btw, I just feel at times if Dublin threw in a junior b club keeper, they'd still win those All Irelands, that's how good they are

[Angelo]

Its crazy that you are looking at Cluxton as being one of the main reasons for Dublins dominance, teams nowadays just give up the kickouts, which automatically give the team possession. As a shot stopper he's been asked to do it less that the other keepers out there, but when he does he does it well.

I'm not knocking keepers btw

Mise?

Not going to go through whos a better player etc at this stage but people have short memories, if your only thinking of the last few years. He's a key part of it but obviously not the only reason for it.

Also people not taking into consideration outside of playing ability of what he brings to the set up, whether leadership skills or mentoring etc.

Cluxton has plenty of brainfarts but gets away with them because he plays for Dublin and the outfield lads make the difference. Think he had a horror show early on against Galway in the semi final two years back.

You love singling out a negative like they are the rule as opposed to the exception.

You could point out the penalty saves in recent years against Geaney and Harte - AI final (2019) and semi-final (2017).
Made decent stops against O'Brien, Doherty, Murphy in recent finals as well. You could say that other keepers could have saved those, but that is his job... and he does it well.

You could point out Patton's mistake against Cavan that gifted them a goal and his poor fist pass that lead to Canavan's goal... or Beggan's daft kick at the end of the AI semi-final v Tyrone.. None of those incidents mean they are poor at their job or a liability either.

Harte's penalty save was inconsequential and would have made no difference.

I pick out the negative in Cluxton as people overhype his performance to Dublin. His teammates have got him out of jail on many occasions.

Patton gets panned for his mistakes, Patton has probably the best kickouts in the game but he's a worry in the fact he makes mistakes. When those guys make mistakes, we hear about them but we really hear about Cluxton's meltdowns because his teammates are so good at getting him out of jail and therein lies the real reason.

[WhoDat]

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them.

Looking back at last year Dublin were not all that great and Kerry had them in the final only for David Morans fatigued passage of play.

would strongly disagree there. people seem to be very revisionist about the 2019 final already. dublin were completely in control of the first match and would have ran out very comfortable winners on the first day if they hadn't played an entire half with one man less. that kerry could only summon a draw in those circumstances speaks to the fact that it wasn't really a close game between equals. dublin wrapping it up comfortably the second day was a truer reflection of the reality of the gulf between the teams. both finals dublin played against kerry were nowhere near the same standard as those they played against mayo. mayo could have and should have beaten them at least once. kerry were never going to beat them realistically.

[Angelo]

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them.

Looking back at last year Dublin were not all that great and Kerry had them in the final only for David Morans fatigued passage of play.

would strongly disagree there. people seem to be very revisionist about the 2019 final already. dublin were completely in control of the first match and would have ran out very comfortable winners on the first day if they hadn't played an entire half with one man less. that kerry could only summon a draw in those circumstances speaks to the fact that it wasn't really a close game between equals. dublin wrapping it up comfortably the second day was a truer reflection of the reality of the gulf between the teams. both finals dublin played against kerry were nowhere near the same standard as those they played against mayo. mayo could have and should have beaten them at least once. kerry were never going to beat them realistically.

Exactly.

Mayo have been the only team to really put it up to Dublin since Donegal beat them in 2014.

The red card helped Kerry keep it competitive last year and a Cluxton meltdown gifted Kerry 2 goals in a 5 minutes spell in 2016 and Kerry couldn't get the job done on either occasion.

[Captain Obvious]

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them.

Could well be an error by Dessie Farrell if he doesn't start Mannion, Howard.

[sid waddell]

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them.

Looking back at last year Dublin were not all that great and Kerry had them in the final only for David Morans fatigued passage of play.

would strongly disagree there. people seem to be very revisionist about the 2019 final already. dublin were completely in control of the first match and would have ran out very comfortable winners on the first day if they hadn't played an entire half with one man less. that kerry could only summon a draw in those circumstances speaks to the fact that it wasn't really a close game between equals. dublin wrapping it up comfortably the second day was a truer reflection of the reality of the gulf between the teams. both finals dublin played against kerry were nowhere near the same standard as those they played against mayo. mayo could have and should have beaten them at least once. kerry were never going to beat them realistically.

Dublin only won by one in 2013 despite getting at least one ridiculously soft goal - arguably two

Dublin could only summon a draw in 2016 even with two own goals

Dublin only won by a point in the replay in 2016 even though Mayo were down their best player for the entire second half, and only scored a goal because of penalty from a goalkeeping mistake, while Mayo were denied what should have been a penalty

Dublin only won by a point in 2017 despite scoring a goal in the first minute, - they should have played the last half an hour with a man less, Mayo should have had a penalty - so therefore Dublin should probably have lost

One could also argue that Dublin's goal in the 2019 replayed final should have been disallowed - which it should have been - it was clear overcarrying by Murchan

And that Kerry missed a penalty in the drawn final

Revisionism

[WhoDat]

Mayo by 1 to 3 points, Dublin haven't been tested at all this year, Mayo a different animal, the intensity they bring to their Dublin games is unreal, Dublin could be caught out, However Dublin will probably require Mannion, Howard and Costello of the bench to save them.

Looking back at last year Dublin were not all that great and Kerry had them in the final only for David Morans fatigued passage of play.

would strongly disagree there. people seem to be very revisionist about the 2019 final already. dublin were completely in control of the first match and would have ran out very comfortable winners on the first day if they hadn't played an entire half with one man less. that kerry could only summon a draw in those circumstances speaks to the fact that it wasn't really a close game between equals. dublin wrapping it up comfortably the second day was a truer reflection of the reality of the gulf between the teams. both finals dublin played against kerry were nowhere near the same standard as those they played against mayo. mayo could have and should have beaten them at least once. kerry were never going to beat them realistically.

Dublin only won by one in 2013 despite getting at least one ridiculously soft goal - arguably two

Dublin could only summon a draw in 2016 even with two own goals

Dublin only won by a point in the replay in 2016 even though Mayo were down their best player for the entire second half, and only scored a goal because of penalty from a goalkeeping mistake, while Mayo were denied what should have been a penalty

Dublin only won by a point in 2017 despite scoring a goal in the first minute, - they should have played the last half an hour with a man less, Mayo should have had a penalty - so therefore Dublin should probably have lost

One could also argue that Dublin's goal in the 2019 replayed final should have been disallowed - which it should have been - it was clear overcarrying by Murchan

And that Kerry missed a penalty in the drawn final

Revisionism

as i said, mayo could have and probably should have beaten them at least once in the last decade. they left 2013 in particular behind them. but kerry have never been quite on the same level as dublin in the last decade and despite attempts to drum up a rivalry between the two, i've never watched a kerry dublin game in the last 10 years and really thought that it was a game of equals. dublin have always been comfortably the better team.