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Bejases that's a quick exit.
There'll be some blood sport among na Léinte gorma anois!!
I think he was the longest serving FG Taoiseach. The implosion of FF was like manna from Heaven for him
He was longest serving FG Taoiseach alright. An awful godbaw, but cute and astute enough when it came to the political maneuverings. I was impressed with the way he cut the throats of the rebels back there a good few years ago, and then extended the olive branch to a few of them afterwards.
History will remember him more fondly than Bertie or any of his comtempories. The diasterous upheavals in our nearest cultural neighbours shows the value of someone who courts the center and not the extremes.
The hospital isn't forgotten, but Kenny's legacy is larger than that.
Quote from: Syferus on May 17, 2017, 05:06:54 PM
History will remember him more fondly than Bertie or any of his comtempories. The diasterous upheavals in our nearest cultural neighbours shows the value of someone who courts the center and not the extremes.
The hospital isn't forgotten, but Kenny's legacy is larger than that.
Would agree with that.
Maybe it's time to start getting the posters ready. FF won't be doing Leo or Simon any favours
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
He was longest serving FG Taoiseach alright. An awful godbaw, but cute and astute enough when it came to the political maneuverings. I was impressed with the way he cut the throats of the rebels back there a good few years ago, and then extended the olive branch to a few of them afterwards.
Godbaw? Can't find a definition anywhere. Is it a BIFFO word or something else? Or is it just Enda Kenny?
Quote from: Owen Brannigan on May 17, 2017, 06:07:33 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 05:01:33 PM
He was longest serving FG Taoiseach alright. An awful godbaw, but cute and astute enough when it came to the political maneuverings. I was impressed with the way he cut the throats of the rebels back there a good few years ago, and then extended the olive branch to a few of them afterwards.
Godbaw? Can't find a definition anywhere. Is it a BIFFO word or something else? Or is it just Enda Kenny?
I Was wondering myself, but purely onomatopoetically it seems perfectly apt
Maybe it is a midland's word.
Any pictures Tony?
Often heard the word gobdaw.
It means someone isn't as bad as a gobsh1te, more of a nice eejit type.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 17, 2017, 07:03:19 PM
Often heard the word gobdaw.
It means someone isn't as bad as a gobsh1te, more of a nice eejit type.
And then you had the gibbadauns, too. Plenty still roaming the countryside.
That was the Long Goodbye.
As some comedian said afterwards about Enda's st. Patrick's day immigrant speech in the US
"he's white but he still sounds funny".
Godbaw. Maybe its a new word picked up in Tipp/Kerry?
Essentially he was pushed. He didn't step down willingly. I can't think of one leadership quality he had.
Quote from: mrdeeds on May 17, 2017, 07:55:06 PM
Essentially he was pushed. He didn't step down willingly. I can't think of one leadership quality he had.
How many political leaders step down willingly?
"All political lives, unless they are cut off in midstream at a happy juncture, end in failure, because that is the nature of politics and of human affairs." Enoch Powell
Took over running the country at a tough time and did a decent job. Plenty of detractors who disliked him because he was too wooden on TV but maybe they need to watch less X factor, big brother, etc.
Had a lot of hard decisions to make and didn't always get it right but overall more positives than negatives and I think history will judge him kindly. I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
Sorry, typo. Gobdaw of course
I thought he was alright. Fairly decent. Left behind things in good shape.
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
Took over running the country at a tough time and did a decent job. Plenty of detractors who disliked him because he was too wooden on TV but maybe they need to watch less X factor, big brother, etc.
Had a lot of hard decisions to make and didn't always get it right but overall more positives than negatives and I think history will judge him kindly. I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
At least he had the courage to push the same sex marriage referendum and the legislation for the X case.
And he wasn't too crooks.
Didn't endear himself to us Rossies over the Hospital.
Quote from: AZOffaly on May 17, 2017, 08:56:58 PM
Sorry, typo. Gobdaw of course
Still never heard of it before. So, I looked up the Oxford English dictionary:
gobdawA foolish or pretentious person.
Still broke his word over Roscommon hospital
the lies told in the Dail by Reilly have NEVER been corrected
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
Took over running the country at a tough time and did a decent job. Plenty of detractors who disliked him because he was too wooden on TV but maybe they need to watch less X factor, big brother, etc.
Had a lot of hard decisions to make and didn't always get it right but overall more positives than negatives and I think history will judge him kindly. I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
Disagree with your first paragraph. Any time he opened his mouth he made a balls of it.
As someone who had a particular negative view of Fine Gael growing up and was ashamed as the historically truth emerged about self serving and in my eyes unpatriotic irish governance particularly from fianna fail I feel kenny has been stable, good and has set the thing up well. Well criticised over the years but partially I believe this is because Ireland are itching for a reckless Fianna Fáil governance again,. They were itching for the recklessness even during the last presidential election but caught themselves on at the last. No matter who succeeds kenny Fianna Fáil will get back in and it's sad as there is now a hardworking alternative. So farewell ends. You done great.
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
There should f**king well be one over the state of the Gardai.
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2017, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
There should f**king well be one over the state of the Gardai.
A review of all policing in the State has been set up actually.
Sometime ago, a mammy in Castlebar found that her daughter had left the key of her flat behind when she returned to Dublin after a weekend at home. She panicked as all mother would, but she suddenly remembered that Enda, whom she didn't know very well, usually spent the weekend at home and returned to Dublin on Sunday afternoons.
So the mammy raced to Milebush and got there just in time as Ends was on the point of departure. She explained her problem and asked him if he would get someone to deliver the key to her daughter. The kid was staying in a friend's flat so any time the next day would do, or so she thought.
But he phoned the young lady as soon as he got back to Dublin and arranged to meet her to give her the key. What's more, he let his chauffeur go when he got back to base and he used his own car to do so.
I have known Enda for close on 50 years and the story above is typical of the man. We first met in St. Pat's Drumcondra, the teacher's training college and we've kept in touch since. We never discuss politics of any sort whenever we meet, which is just as well as I think his policies are a load of shite and he knows it.
He has his faults and he can come out with as much nonsense as Bertie Ahern whenever he opens his gob and that's some achievement.
I think history will be kind to him and he's leaving the country in a better state than he found it.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 18, 2017, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2017, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
There should f**king well be one over the state of the Gardai.
A review of all policing in the State has been set up actually.
A review is different from a tribunal. I was exaggerating a tad bit the fact Callanan lasted so long and the fact O'Sullivan is still there is a disgrace.
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 18, 2017, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2017, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
There should f**king well be one over the state of the Gardai.
A review of all policing in the State has been set up actually.
A review is different from a tribunal. I was exaggerating a tad bit the fact Callanan lasted so long and the fact O'Sullivan is still there is a disgrace.
Given the history of tribunals in this country (millions spend and go on for years with very little end result), I'd be quite happy with the review which is resourced with very capable and experienced personnel.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 18, 2017, 12:22:18 PM
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2017, 12:19:01 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 18, 2017, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2017, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
There should f**king well be one over the state of the Gardai.
A review of all policing in the State has been set up actually.
A review is different from a tribunal. I was exaggerating a tad bit the fact Callanan lasted so long and the fact O'Sullivan is still there is a disgrace.
Given the history of tribunals in this country (millions spend and go on for years with very little end result), I'd be quite happy with the review which is resourced with very capable and experienced personnel.
Like I said, I was exaggerating given the earlier statement that Kenny wouldn't be remembered for tribunals like Bertie, not actually advocating one.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0518/876073-enda-kenny/
Minister for Finance Michael Noonan has said he does not want to be considered for a Cabinet position by the next taoiseach and Senator James Reilly has resigned as deputy leader of Fine Gael.
Quote from: gallsman on May 18, 2017, 07:34:39 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on May 17, 2017, 08:27:46 PM
I doubt we'll need a tribunal to enquire into any of his dealings so on that basis alone, he's probably the best Taoiseach of the last 30 years.
There should f**king well be one over the state of the Gardai.
Do you seriously believe that the Gardai took a complete wrong turn under Kenny's stewardship? The issues with the Gardai are institutional and will require a long time to turn around as the cultures within the organisation are gradually changed. Kenny did not have the finances necessary to rid the Gardai of deadwood and self serving elements that have been ingrained for decades and changes to a police force must be handled carefully and not with any haste or you find yourself looking over your shoulder when the force is no longer with you.
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp)
This is an ample epitaph for Enda the spoofer.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp)
This is an ample epitaph for Enda the spoofer.
Callan isn't good at comedy, nevermind trying to be serious.
Kenny was a powder puff 'leader' if indeed he could be described as a leader at all. He generally steered clear of the media unless it was unavoidable as was evidenced by his refusal to appear on Vincent Browne or Matt Cooper. That said he was at the helm through a difficult economic period and helped stabilise the economy. Could never warm to his personality though as he always came across as a condescending smarmy man who thought he was a level above the common person. Was at his happiest getting photographe4d meeting foreign dignitaries and I suspect he'll find a decent job waiting for him in Europe if he wanted it.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 18, 2017, 02:32:22 PM
Kenny was a powder puff 'leader' if indeed he could be described as a leader at all. He generally steered clear of the media unless it was unavoidable as was evidenced by his refusal to appear on Vincent Browne or Matt Cooper. That said he was at the helm through a difficult economic period and helped stabilise the economy. Could never warm to his personality though as he always came across as a condescending smarmy man who thought he was a level above the common person. Was at his happiest getting photographe4d meeting foreign dignitaries and I suspect he'll find a decent job waiting for him in Europe if he wanted it.
No one but Vincent Browne cared. For an octogenarian he still hasn't to learnt that childish insults might effect someone's willingness to appear on your show, something that would only benefit Browne given his low ratings and given how Kenny's lack of appearances had absolutely zero effect on him.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 18, 2017, 02:32:22 PM
Kenny was a powder puff 'leader' if indeed he could be described as a leader at all. He generally steered clear of the media unless it was unavoidable as was evidenced by his refusal to appear on Vincent Browne or Matt Cooper. That said he was at the helm through a difficult economic period and helped stabilise the economy. Could never warm to his personality though as he always came across as a condescending smarmy man who thought he was a level above the common person. Was at his happiest getting photographe4d meeting foreign dignitaries and I suspect he'll find a decent job waiting for him in Europe if he wanted it.
Appearing on media shows with nimwits like Browne or Cooper is no measure of political leadership; quite the opposite I would say.
He always struck me as some not confident in his own abilities or maybe he was confident enough but didn't articulate himself well.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 18, 2017, 02:32:22 PM
Kenny was a powder puff 'leader' if indeed he could be described as a leader at all. He generally steered clear of the media unless it was unavoidable as was evidenced by his refusal to appear on Vincent Browne or Matt Cooper. That said he was at the helm through a difficult economic period and helped stabilise the economy. Could never warm to his personality though as he always came across as a condescending smarmy man who thought he was a level above the common person. Was at his happiest getting photographe4d meeting foreign dignitaries and I suspect he'll find a decent job waiting for him in Europe if he wanted it.
No fan of him but think that might be a little harsh on him, he's nothing on that front compared to Varadkar though, assuming the crown will be his.
Does.Maygoghelpus@gmail.com know yet?
Is post Pantibliss 'Ireland' ready for a gay Taoiseach.
Don't care once they do a good job
Fair play on the story of him delivering the key and he genuinely seems like a decent man, but as was pointed in that piece by Callan, he had a serious majority and could have done more.
This is a genuine question in terms of the economic recovery. Did Enda and Co not just follow orders from the Troika? There seems to be a story everywhere from within friendly media and FG that he ran the Troika out of town...
A gobshite Taoiseach for a gobshite people. Freestaters got what they voted for.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on May 18, 2017, 07:03:08 PM
Fair play on the story of him delivering the key and he genuinely seems like a decent man, but as was pointed in that piece by Callan, he had a serious majority and could have done more.
This is a genuine question in terms of the economic recovery. Did Enda and Co not just follow orders from the Troika? There seems to be a story everywhere from within friendly media and FG that he ran the Troika out of town...
The economy recovered thanks to Draghi's Quantitative Easing which got the bond yields down. There is still way too much debt and there was no reform. The recovery included another stupid housing bubble.
When the next crash comes the country will be right in the middle of it.
Quote from: foxcommander on May 18, 2017, 08:04:45 PM
A gobshite Taoiseach for a gobshite people. Freestaters got what they voted for.
You're the one with the inside knowledge of gobshitery
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Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp)
This is an ample epitaph for Enda the spoofer.
Callan isn't good at comedy, nevermind trying to be serious.
Care to point out what parts are factually incorrect ?
Or is this like the hunting thread where you disappear as soon as it's put up to you?
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 18, 2017, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp)
This is an ample epitaph for Enda the spoofer.
Callan isn't good at comedy, nevermind trying to be serious.
Care to point out what parts are factually incorrect ?
Or is this like the hunting thread where you disappear as soon as it's put up to you?
Too many people on forums mistake lack of interest with lack of ammunition.
Quote from: Avondhu star on May 18, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on May 18, 2017, 08:04:45 PM
A gobshite Taoiseach for a gobshite people. Freestaters got what they voted for.
You're the one with the inside knowledge of gobshitery
Top notch retort. You're a witty lad.
Quote from: Syferus on May 18, 2017, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 18, 2017, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp)
This is an ample epitaph for Enda the spoofer.
Callan isn't good at comedy, nevermind trying to be serious.
Care to point out what parts are factually incorrect ?
Or is this like the hunting thread where you disappear as soon as it's put up to you?
Too many people on forums mistake lack of interest with lack of ammunition.
Or a simple lack of knowledge??
In any case please outline where Callan was factually incorrect please?
I'm genuinely curious
Callans article is nail on the head stuff. Kenny was a nothing Taoiseach with a really disastrous Minister for Finance. The only thing in his favour is that he may just have been better than his two predecessors who are possibly the two worst taoisigh in the history of the State.
Kenny and Noonan going is a good day but they've caused a lot of damage.
Quote from: Syferus on May 18, 2017, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 10:46:07 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 18, 2017, 02:24:56 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 18, 2017, 01:35:20 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/oliver-callan-why-i-won-t-miss-the-accidental-taoiseach-1.3085369?mode=amp)
This is an ample epitaph for Enda the spoofer.
Callan isn't good at comedy, nevermind trying to be serious.
Care to point out what parts are factually incorrect ?
Or is this like the hunting thread where you disappear as soon as it's put up to you?
Too many people on forums mistake lack of interest with lack of ammunition.
You seemed to have it the other way around with Tyrone's U21 AI a wile back
So I presume its Varadkar as successor then?
Whats the deal with Coveney dont really know much about him? Seems more like traditional FG stock than his rival, apart from getting expelled from Clongones Woods :o
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 19, 2017, 05:33:22 AM
Callans article is nail on the head stuff. Kenny was a nothing Taoiseach with a really disastrous Minister for Finance. The only thing in his favour is that he may just have been better than his two predecessors who are possibly the two worst taoisigh in the history of the State.
Kenny and Noonan going is a good day but they've caused a lot of damage.
Bang on seanie.
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 19, 2017, 05:33:22 AM
Callans article is nail on the head stuff. Kenny was a nothing Taoiseach with a really disastrous Minister for Finance. The only thing in his favour is that he may just have been better than his two predecessors who are possibly the two worst taoisigh in the history of the State.
Kenny and Noonan going is a good day but they've caused a lot of damage.
I don't have much time for him, but I have to admit he steadied the ship
He could have stood up to Europe a bit more, but in hindsight he did do a lot of diplomatic work in the EU and they will be hopefully be helping us out with this Brexit mess
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 19, 2017, 05:33:22 AM
Callans article is nail on the head stuff. Kenny was a nothing Taoiseach with a really disastrous Minister for Finance. The only thing in his favour is that he may just have been better than his two predecessors who are possibly the two worst taoisigh in the history of the State.
Kenny and Noonan going is a good day but they've caused a lot of damage.
Noonan has been an excellent Minister for Finance in my opinion. Do you remember the state of the economy when he took office? Do you recognise the state of it today?
Quote from: Tubberman on May 19, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 19, 2017, 05:33:22 AM
Callans article is nail on the head stuff. Kenny was a nothing Taoiseach with a really disastrous Minister for Finance. The only thing in his favour is that he may just have been better than his two predecessors who are possibly the two worst taoisigh in the history of the State.
Kenny and Noonan going is a good day but they've caused a lot of damage.
Noonan has been an excellent Minister for Finance in my opinion. Do you remember the state of the economy when he took office? Do you recognise the state of it today?
Vulture funds running wild with no control on them whatsoever, homelessness rampant , property bubble Vers. 2 being pumped and primed by all and sundry as if the years 2008-2013 never happened, national debt growing out of control entirely, yes Noonan has been great hasn't he , it says so in the Sunday independent so it must be true. ::)
Jaysus you mayo boys are true Fine Gaelers...maybe that's the answer to the AI woes, change the jersey colours to blue!!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 19, 2017, 09:51:36 AM
Jaysus you mayo boys are true Fine Gaelers...maybe that's the answer to the AI woes, change the jersey colours to blue!!
It's posts like this that need a like button !!!
A parochial crowd the aul Mayo blueshirts are aren't they !!!
But the again wasn't Enda a fierce man for the parochial pump :o ;D 8)
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 09:48:45 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 19, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
Quote from: magpie seanie on May 19, 2017, 05:33:22 AM
Callans article is nail on the head stuff. Kenny was a nothing Taoiseach with a really disastrous Minister for Finance. The only thing in his favour is that he may just have been better than his two predecessors who are possibly the two worst taoisigh in the history of the State.
Kenny and Noonan going is a good day but they've caused a lot of damage.
Noonan has been an excellent Minister for Finance in my opinion. Do you remember the state of the economy when he took office? Do you recognise the state of it today?
Vulture funds running wild with no control on them whatsoever, homelessness rampant , property bubble Vers. 2 being pumped and primed by all and sundry as if the years 2008-2013 never happened, national debt growing out of control entirely, yes Noonan has been great hasn't he , it says so in the Sunday independent so it must be true. ::)
I haven't bought the Sindo in about 5 years - believe it or not, I think for myself.
Maybe try that yourself rather than reading An Phoblacht or whatever 'literature' SF provides these days.
The Minister for Finance is not responsible for housing, so you can't blame him for the homelessness problem.
There is no property bubble, a bubble occurs due to over-lending by banks - the issue at the moment is a lack of housing supply. That probably should have been foreseen (again, not MoF responsibility) but will hopefully be resolved in next couple of years because building is growing month by month.
The National Debit as a % of GDP and Revenue is falling, not "growing out of control".
http://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/debt-profile/historical-debt/ (http://www.ntma.ie/business-areas/funding-and-debt-management/debt-profile/historical-debt/)
General Government Debt Gross National Debt Cash and Other Financial Assets National Debt
€€bn As % of GDP As % of GG Revenue €€bn €€bn €€bn
2016 200.6 75.4% 274.6% 196.7 11.1 185.6
2015 201.4 78.7% 285.5% 196.6 13.6 183.1
2014 203.3 105.3% 308.4% 197.1 14.8 182.3
2013 215.3 119.5% 349.9% 197.5 23.6 173.9
2012 210.0 119.5% 353.1% 161.5 23.9 137.6
2011 189.7 109.6% 328.7% 136.8 17.7 119.1
2010 144.2 86.3% 260.3% 109.6 16.2 93.4
A bit like Micheal's fiscal space these figures whilst hard to read on the phone , tell me that the national debt went from a mere 93.4 Billion in 2010 to 195.6 billion in 2016, more than double.
But not out of control :o no, definetly not, no siree
Do you check under the bed for shinners every night before you kiss your portraits of Eoin O'Duffy & Enda goodnight and go to sleep ?? You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel.
As it stands I accept that Enda Kenny blue shirt or not is most likely a decent man and a good man at heart, a terrible terrible Taoiseach however .
Noonan on the other hand is a bad one, a proper nasty piece of work. The type of blue shirt that wishes Eoin O'Duffy was a bit harder in his persist of a right wing utopia, The Grace scandal has been nicely brushed under the carpet by the compliant , mostly blue shirt media.
Will you be voting for Leo or Simon in the leadership contest ?
I get the impression you would be more of a Simon man.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
A bit like Micheal's fiscal space these figures whilst hard to read on the phone , tell me that the national debt went from a mere 93.4 Billion in 2010 to 195.6 billion in 2016, more than double.
But not out of control :o no, definetly not, no siree
Do you check under the bed for shinners every night before you kiss your portraits of Eoin O'Duffy & Enda goodnight and go to sleep ?? You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel.
As it stands I accept that Enda Kenny blue shirt or not is most likely a decent man and a good man at heart, a terrible terrible Taoiseach however .
Noonan on the other hand is a bad one, a proper nasty piece of work. The type of blue shirt that wishes Eoin O'Duffy was a bit harder in his persist of a right wing utopia, The Grace scandal has been nicely brushed under the carpet by the compliant , mostly blue shirt media.
Will you be voting for Leo or Simon in the leadership contest ?
I get the impression you would be more of a Simon man.
I'm sure you appreciate that the most relevant figure of national debt is as a percentage of GDP which has gone from 119.5% in 2012 & 2013 to 75.4% as of end of 2016.
I think you must be mixing me up with someone else when you say "You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel." Can you provide an example of this at all?
While you're at it, can you explain what the Grace case has to do with Michael Noonan's record as Minister for Finance (that's what we're discussing isn't it?)?
I'm not a member of FG, so don't have a vote. If I did, I'm not sure who'd I'd vote for. Varadkar definitely has more charisma, is a better debater, whereas Coveney steadily gets his job done. Which is better in the longer run, I'm not sure.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 09:57:17 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 19, 2017, 09:51:36 AM
Jaysus you mayo boys are true Fine Gaelers...maybe that's the answer to the AI woes, change the jersey colours to blue!!
It's posts like this that need a like button !!!
A parochial crowd the aul Mayo blueshirts are aren't they !!!
But the again wasn't Enda a fierce man for the parochial pump :o ;D 8)
Politicians can only get elected in their own constituency.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 19, 2017, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
A bit like Micheal's fiscal space these figures whilst hard to read on the phone , tell me that the national debt went from a mere 93.4 Billion in 2010 to 195.6 billion in 2016, more than double.
But not out of control :o no, definetly not, no siree
Do you check under the bed for shinners every night before you kiss your portraits of Eoin O'Duffy & Enda goodnight and go to sleep ?? You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel.
As it stands I accept that Enda Kenny blue shirt or not is most likely a decent man and a good man at heart, a terrible terrible Taoiseach however .
Noonan on the other hand is a bad one, a proper nasty piece of work. The type of blue shirt that wishes Eoin O'Duffy was a bit harder in his persist of a right wing utopia, The Grace scandal has been nicely brushed under the carpet by the compliant , mostly blue shirt media.
Will you be voting for Leo or Simon in the leadership contest ?
I get the impression you would be more of a Simon man.
I'm sure you appreciate that the most relevant figure of national debt is as a percentage of GDP which has gone from 119.5% in 2012 & 2013 to 75.4% as of end of 2016.
I think you must be mixing me up with someone else when you say "You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel." Can you provide an example of this at all?
While you're at it, can you explain what the Grace case has to do with Michael Noonan's record as Minister for Finance (that's what we're discussing isn't it?)?
I'm not a member of FG, so don't have a vote. If I did, I'm not sure who'd I'd vote for. Varadkar definitely has more charisma, is a better debater, whereas Coveney steadily gets his job done. Which is better in the longer run, I'm not sure.
I get what you are saying about GDP and considering the figures are issued by the NTMA I suppose they are as right as they are going to be
However it's the actual value of the debt that I can't get by.
The corresponding central statistics office indices won't have risen by that much
Varadkar is nouveau riche FG whilst Coveney is old stock blue blood blue shirt so to speak but of the two he has delivered in the past but is making a balls of his current portfolio.
I'll dig up your past shinner rants when I get a chance
Some interesting reading on the NTMA link, thanks for that.
Quote from: Tubberman on May 19, 2017, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
A bit like Micheal's fiscal space these figures whilst hard to read on the phone , tell me that the national debt went from a mere 93.4 Billion in 2010 to 195.6 billion in 2016, more than double.
But not out of control :o no, definetly not, no siree
Do you check under the bed for shinners every night before you kiss your portraits of Eoin O'Duffy & Enda goodnight and go to sleep ?? You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel.
As it stands I accept that Enda Kenny blue shirt or not is most likely a decent man and a good man at heart, a terrible terrible Taoiseach however .
Noonan on the other hand is a bad one, a proper nasty piece of work. The type of blue shirt that wishes Eoin O'Duffy was a bit harder in his persist of a right wing utopia, The Grace scandal has been nicely brushed under the carpet by the compliant , mostly blue shirt media.
Will you be voting for Leo or Simon in the leadership contest ?
I get the impression you would be more of a Simon man.
I'm sure you appreciate that the most relevant figure of national debt is as a percentage of GDP which has gone from 119.5% in 2012 & 2013 to 75.4% as of end of 2016.
I think you must be mixing me up with someone else when you say "You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel." Can you provide an example of this at all?
While you're at it, can you explain what the Grace case has to do with Michael Noonan's record as Minister for Finance (that's what we're discussing isn't it?)?
I'm not a member of FG, so don't have a vote. If I did, I'm not sure who'd I'd vote for. Varadkar definitely has more charisma, is a better debater, whereas Coveney steadily gets his job done. Which is better in the longer run, I'm not sure.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24336.msg1669636#msg1669636 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24336.msg1669636#msg1669636)
Shinners , the f**kers are everywhere these days
Quote from: foxcommander on May 18, 2017, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on May 18, 2017, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on May 18, 2017, 08:04:45 PM
A gobshite Taoiseach for a gobshite people. Freestaters got what they voted for.
You're the one with the inside knowledge of gobshitery
Top notch retort. You're a witty lad.
Thanks. I do my best but honestly I dont have to try too hard here. The standard is low
Quote from: omaghjoe on May 19, 2017, 06:33:33 AM
So I presume its Varadkar as successor then?
Whats the deal with Coveney dont really know much about him? Seems more like traditional FG stock than his rival, apart from getting expelled from Clongones Woods :o
If Coveney gets it prepare yourself for the "loyal Fine Gael big farmer" line. If Varadker we will get the " we are sending a message to the world how progressive we are to be electing a gay Prime Minister and we have thrown off the shackles of traditional Catholic Ireland"
I suppose Foxeejit wants a United Ireland.
Who exactly does he want to United with?
He calls Kenny a gobsh1te yet he supports the fkn tr**p that's been installed in the White House.
You couldn't make up the likes of Fox in your wildest imagination.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 11:26:11 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 19, 2017, 10:37:04 AM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 10:22:18 AM
A bit like Micheal's fiscal space these figures whilst hard to read on the phone , tell me that the national debt went from a mere 93.4 Billion in 2010 to 195.6 billion in 2016, more than double.
But not out of control :o no, definetly not, no siree
Do you check under the bed for shinners every night before you kiss your portraits of Eoin O'Duffy & Enda goodnight and go to sleep ?? You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel.
As it stands I accept that Enda Kenny blue shirt or not is most likely a decent man and a good man at heart, a terrible terrible Taoiseach however .
Noonan on the other hand is a bad one, a proper nasty piece of work. The type of blue shirt that wishes Eoin O'Duffy was a bit harder in his persist of a right wing utopia, The Grace scandal has been nicely brushed under the carpet by the compliant , mostly blue shirt media.
Will you be voting for Leo or Simon in the leadership contest ?
I get the impression you would be more of a Simon man.
I'm sure you appreciate that the most relevant figure of national debt is as a percentage of GDP which has gone from 119.5% in 2012 & 2013 to 75.4% as of end of 2016.
I think you must be mixing me up with someone else when you say "You constantly throw that one out when anyone challenges the blue shirt spin that you accept as gospel." Can you provide an example of this at all?
While you're at it, can you explain what the Grace case has to do with Michael Noonan's record as Minister for Finance (that's what we're discussing isn't it?)?
I'm not a member of FG, so don't have a vote. If I did, I'm not sure who'd I'd vote for. Varadkar definitely has more charisma, is a better debater, whereas Coveney steadily gets his job done. Which is better in the longer run, I'm not sure.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24336.msg1669636#msg1669636 (http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=24336.msg1669636#msg1669636)
Shinners , the f**kers are everywhere these days
Have a read of her link you sent and see who's the one spouting rhetoric.
An adhominem response if ever there was one.
The default blue shirt position when caught out.
Begone.
Thank feck he's gone. Trump Snarlene and Enda are all alike. Horrible bastards the lot of them
Quote from: Hotrocks on May 19, 2017, 01:10:21 PM
Thank feck he's gone. Trump Snarlene and Enda are all alike. Horrible b**tards the lot of them
While we can debate his vision or leadership qualities, I see no evidence of Enda being a horrible b**tard.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 12:42:25 PM
An adhominem response if ever there was one.
The default blue shirt position when caught out.
Begone.
Caught out at what? You haven't been able to stand over practically anything you said.
Off with you.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
I suppose Foxeejit wants a United Ireland.
Who exactly does he want to United with?
He calls Kenny a gobsh1te yet he supports the fkn tr**p that's been installed in the White House.
You couldn't make up the likes of Fox in your wildest imagination.
Err, that's because it's clearly a troll account created by one of the regular members to post exaggerated bile through in hopes of getting a response like yours.
'Foxcommander' doesn't seem to have much interest in the GAA for someone with a thousand posts on a site called GAABoard.com..
I wonder who he/she could be?
Il Bomber?
Quote from: Tubberman on May 19, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 12:42:25 PM
An adhominem response if ever there was one.
The default blue shirt position when caught out.
Begone.
Caught out at what? You haven't been able to stand over practically anything you said.
Off with you.
You asked for an example of playing with the man and not the ball.
You were given one.
You then played the man again.
Begone.
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 02:45:55 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on May 19, 2017, 01:56:00 PM
Quote from: The Subbie on May 19, 2017, 12:42:25 PM
An adhominem response if ever there was one.
The default blue shirt position when caught out.
Begone.
Caught out at what? You haven't been able to stand over practically anything you said.
Off with you.
You asked for an example of playing the man and not the ball.
You were given one.
You then played the man again.
Begone.
Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
I suppose Foxeejit wants a United Ireland.
Who exactly does he want to United with?
He calls Kenny a gobsh1te yet he supports the fkn tr**p that's been installed in the White House.
You couldn't make up the likes of Fox in your wildest imagination.
Err, that's because it's clearly a troll account created by one of the regular members to post exaggerated bile through in hopes of getting a response like yours.
'Foxcommander' doesn't seem to have much interest in the GAA for someone with a thousand posts on a site called GAABoard.com..
No fake account and No trolling involved - it's what I really think of freestaters.
Plenty of interest in GAA, thanks for asking.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
I suppose Foxeejit wants a United Ireland.
Who exactly does he want to United with?
He calls Kenny a gobsh1te yet he supports the fkn tr**p that's been installed in the White House.
You couldn't make up the likes of Fox in your wildest imagination.
The irish citizens in the 6 counties were sold down the river and have paid lip service to them ever since. They have every right to aspire to be part of a 32 county ireland.
freestate gobshites like yourself never gave a damn.
Quote from: foxcommander on May 19, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 19, 2017, 02:15:02 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
I suppose Foxeejit wants a United Ireland.
Who exactly does he want to United with?
He calls Kenny a gobsh1te yet he supports the fkn tr**p that's been installed in the White House.
You couldn't make up the likes of Fox in your wildest imagination.
Err, that's because it's clearly a troll account created by one of the regular members to post exaggerated bile through in hopes of getting a response like yours.
'Foxcommander' doesn't seem to have much interest in the GAA for someone with a thousand posts on a site called GAABoard.com..
No fake account and No trolling involved - it's what I really think of freestaters.
Plenty of interest in GAA, thanks for asking.
Really yeah? For my sins, I went back through 10 pages of your ramblings and none of them are on a GAA thread.
And it's not that you don't post in any sports threads - there's soccer, rugby, and American sports in there.
And you do realise in a 32 county Ireland, you would be a fellow citizen of the "freestate gobshites" you despise?
Does the clown have an Irish or British passport?
If an Irish one what State does he think issued it?
Only for the existence of the 26 Cos State no one in the 6Cos could have Irish citizenship.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 04:39:10 PM
Does the clown have an Irish or British passport?
If an Irish one what State does he think issued it?
Only for the existence of the 26 Cos State no one in the 6Cos could have Irish citizenship.
Sweet jaysus ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Please enlighten us as to how you could have Irish Citizenship without there being an Irish State?????
Quote from: Hotrocks on May 19, 2017, 04:45:00 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 04:39:10 PM
Does the clown have an Irish or British passport?
If an Irish one what State does he think issued it?
Only for the existence of the 26 Cos State no one in the 6Cos could have Irish citizenship.
Sweet jaysus ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
He's outdone himself this time LOL. Keep them coming Fanny.
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 02:18:12 PM
I wonder who he/she could be?
Il Bomber?
Some Irish american nut who lives in Foxland
Bomber is more Irish
Quote from: foxcommander on May 19, 2017, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
I suppose Foxeejit wants a United Ireland.
Who exactly does he want to United with?
He calls Kenny a gobsh1te yet he supports the fkn tr**p that's been installed in the White House.
You couldn't make up the likes of Fox in your wildest imagination.
The irish citizens in the 6 counties were sold down the river and have paid lip service to them ever since. They have every right to aspire to be part of a 32 county ireland.
freestate gobshites like yourself never gave a damn.
Quote from: Avondhu star on May 19, 2017, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: foxcommander on May 19, 2017, 04:19:19 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on May 19, 2017, 12:01:05 PM
I suppose Foxeejit wants a United Ireland.
Who exactly does he want to United with?
He calls Kenny a gobsh1te yet he supports the fkn tr**p that's been installed in the White House.
You couldn't make up the likes of Fox in your wildest imagination.
The irish citizens in the 6 counties were sold down the river and have paid lip service to them ever since. They have every right to aspire to be part of a 32 county ireland.
freestate gobshites like yourself never gave a damn.
Tell the truth. You delight in being a subject of Her Majesty rather than a citizen of the Irish Republic. Probably coming in your trousers at the thought of another Royal wedding
Avondhu mother must be gone to bingo! Poor cub crying out for attention.
Quote from: Hotrocks on May 19, 2017, 09:40:56 PM
Avondhu mother must be gone to bingo! Poor cub crying out for attention.
You should be more concerned about what time your Ma gets home from her job in the "health club"
poor cub
Can't beat 'yet ma' slegs....must be off studying for the GCSEs 😂
Wow. Great thread this.
Good to read the important issues of the Civil War of 94 years ago are still being articulately discussed. Up Collins!
Looking like a " Leo landslide" at the moment.
Landslides can follow a lot of damage though.......
€378,000 lump sum & €126,000 a year pension for Enda
Quote from: Rossfan on May 20, 2017, 08:56:13 AM
Looking like a " Leo landslide" at the moment.
Landslides can follow a lot of damage though.......
Enda least preferred candidate I'd imagine.
"We will be the party that represents those who get up early in the morning"
After about 7 minutes
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0520/876607-fine-gael/
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Quote from: armaghniac on May 21, 2017, 01:11:17 AM
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If an American president did that (provided he wasn't black of course) he'd be considered the best since FDR. If an Irish Taoiseach did that (provided he wasn't a blueshirt of course) he'd be considered the greatest leader since... actually when did we ever have a good leader. Brian Boru?
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Those FT charts were interesting.
Debt went from 20% of gdp in 07 to 120% and is now around 80%. The Eurozone doesnt recapitalise dead banks or have a lender of last resort so the public has to take one for the team. The risk is that it happens again. Whoever is chosen will have zero leverage over this.