Bloody Sunday killings to be ruled unlawful

Started by Lady GAA GAA, June 10, 2010, 11:36:14 PM

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Minder

Quote from: Maguire01 on June 16, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Frazer's youtube page is classic. He's so far removed from reality.

Got to see it. He is some value, "that is why unionists and nationalists, err that are innocent, think this inquiry is a disgrace". So most nationalists are "guilty"?
"When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us"

Olaf

Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 16, 2010, 08:41:16 PM

Why would someone who had a loved one killed by say the IRA be thinking "what about me" yesterday?


Not least and amongst other thingsbecause  former members of that organisation now form part of our government.

Please read my previous posts re Enniskillen and Bloody Sunday

Olaf

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Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 16, 2010, 09:03:58 PM
Quote from: Hardy on June 16, 2010, 08:56:10 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 16, 2010, 08:41:16 PM
Why would someone who had a loved one killed by say the IRA be thinking "what about me" yesterday?

Even the likes of Martin McGuinness and Mitchel McLaughlin acknowledged the feelings and needs of such people yesterday and commented on the need to address their feelings and concerns, McLaughlin going on to talk about the need for a "Truth Recovery Process" specifically for that purpose.
That's something families of the victims of Enniskillen and la mon etc had from day one.

Cold comfort indeed.

Both of them need to be seen to push this process as hard as possible.

omagh_gael

Obviously they are not 'lucky' Olaf but they at least they had a smidgeon of comfort in knowing that their loved ones died without the murky lies/rumour/innuendo that hung over the victims of bloody Sunday never had...until now.

pintsofguinness

Quote from: Olaf on June 16, 2010, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 16, 2010, 08:41:16 PM

Why would someone who had a loved one killed by say the IRA be thinking "what about me" yesterday?


Not least and amongst other thingsbecause  former members of that organisation now form part of our government.

Please read my previous posts re Enniskillen and Bloody Sunday
So? the paratroopers are still regarded as heroes.   

Quote from: omagh_gael on June 16, 2010, 11:02:44 PM
Obviously they are not 'lucky' Olaf but they at least they had a smidgeon of comfort in knowing that their loved ones died without the murky lies/rumour/innuendo that hung over the victims of bloody Sunday never had...until now.
exactly. 
Which one of you bitches wants to dance?

Olaf

Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 16, 2010, 11:03:35 PM
Quote from: Olaf on June 16, 2010, 10:50:43 PM
Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 16, 2010, 08:41:16 PM

Why would someone who had a loved one killed by say the IRA be thinking "what about me" yesterday?


Not least and amongst other thingsbecause  former members of that organisation now form part of our government.

Please read my previous posts re Enniskillen and Bloody Sunday
So? the paratroopers are still regarded as heroes.   



I do not think that the paratroopers who caused the deaths on Bloody Sunday are regarded as heroes. You know otherwise?

In answer to your short question I refer to my previous post.




stibhan

Quote from: Myles Na G. on June 16, 2010, 09:04:44 PM
Quote from: stibhan on June 16, 2010, 08:31:19 PM
Quote from: Myles Na G. on June 16, 2010, 08:26:10 PM
'If you're leveling the paras with the provos then I suppose that's at least somewhere approaching the truth, but any study of loyalist murders will reveal them to be non-political killings which were based on religion.'

A familiar republican mantra, but one which doesn't stand up under any kind of scrutiny. Republicans murdered people because of their (perceived) support for the union and for the NI state. Loyalists murdered Catholics because of the Catholic community's (perceived) support for a united Ireland and the IRA. No real difference. Republicans would rather compare themselves with the British armed forces, rather than be compared with other paramilitary groups. That's why the IRA had 'active service units', while loyalists had 'murder gangs'. That's why the IRA waged an 'armed struggle', while loyalists carried out 'pograms'. Complete bollix, obviously. Republicans were no different from their loyalist counter parts.

I'm sorry but there is a clear difference. One being an ethno-religious struggle and one being a political one. Equivocating the truth by ignoring the facts doesn't make Republicans, who have a long history of struggle against Britain, the same as Loyalists, who have a long history of anti-Catholic hatred and murder. Bear in mind that you used the word 'Catholic' to signify the type of people Loyalists killed--a qualification which you deemed unnecessary for the IRA.
So you don't think a hatred for 'the Brits' or the 'huns' or the 'orangies' qualifies as an ethno-religious struggle?

I think a political grievance makes a cause slightly less sectarian, whether that justifies it or not, rather than a general shoot taigs to kill policy. The IRA killed plenty of nationalists and Catholics. A sizeable number, actually.

ziggysego

The First Minister Peter Robinson said the Saville Report should give closure and a sense of justice to the families of the victims after 38 years of waiting.

He said he accepted the conclusions of the report.

Prime Minister David Cameron has ruled out further "Saville like" inquiries.

He said he understood the grief of such families and promised that those responsible for terroist acts would still be prosecuted.

Mr Cameron also said he personally found it "painful" to have to sit around a table with Northern Ireland's deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness because of his IRA background.

However Mr Cameron said it was a price worth paying for peace.

Thirteen people died after paratroopers opened fire during a civil rights march in Londonderry on 30 January 1972. Another person died of his injuries some time later.

Lord Saville's report said Mr McGuinness was present on the day and probably armed with a sub-machine gun but did not engage in any activity that caused the soldiers to open fire.

First Minister Peter Robinson said what happened was "wrong" and "unjustified".

"After the length of time, the detail that is provided in that report, I think you cannot pick and choose the elements of that report that you accept and those that you do not.

The former Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward suggested there should be what he called "a process of reconciliation and truth recovery" to examine all unresolved killings.

The Conservative peer Lord Tebbit, whose wife was seriously injured in the IRA Brighton bombing said many terrorist had escaped prosecution for crimes far worse than anything done by paratroopers on Bloody Sunday.

He urged Mr Cameron to consider holding an investigation into the Brighton bombing.

"My anxiety now is that we should not divide victims into first and second class victims.

"In my mind are the victims of the IRA's bombing of the Grand Hotel in Brighton. Are they not to achieve closure?"

BBC

A very measured responded. I'm pleased at how he conducted himself. I hope Gregory Campbell was listening.
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pintsofguinness

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The Conservative peer Lord Tebbit, whose wife was seriously injured in the IRA Brighton bombing said many terrorist had escaped prosecution for crimes far worse than anything done by paratroopers on Bloody Sunday.

He urged Mr Cameron to consider holding an investigation into the Brighton bombing.


"My anxiety now is that we should not divide victims into first and second class victims.

"In my mind are the victims of the IRA's bombing of the Grand Hotel in Brighton. Are they not to achieve closure?"

Another hateful ****.


I love all these who drop the word "closure" in, the Saville Report should only be the start of it! We'll have closure when c***ts like soldier f is locked up for the rest of his days.
Which one of you bitches wants to dance?

Franko

Quote from: ziggysego on June 17, 2010, 12:06:06 AM
The First Minister Peter Robinson said the Saville Report should give closure and a sense of justice to the families of the victims after 38 years of waiting.

He said he accepted the conclusions of the report.

Prime Minister David Cameron has ruled out further "Saville like" inquiries.

He said he understood the grief of such families and promised that those responsible for terroist acts would still be prosecuted.

Mr Cameron also said he personally found it "painful" to have to sit around a table with Northern Ireland's deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness because of his IRA background.

However Mr Cameron said it was a price worth paying for peace.

Thirteen people died after paratroopers opened fire during a civil rights march in Londonderry on 30 January 1972. Another person died of his injuries some time later.

Lord Saville's report said Mr McGuinness was present on the day and probably armed with a sub-machine gun but did not engage in any activity that caused the soldiers to open fire.

First Minister Peter Robinson said what happened was "wrong" and "unjustified".

"After the length of time, the detail that is provided in that report, I think you cannot pick and choose the elements of that report that you accept and those that you do not.

The former Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward suggested there should be what he called "a process of reconciliation and truth recovery" to examine all unresolved killings.

The Conservative peer Lord Tebbit, whose wife was seriously injured in the IRA Brighton bombing said many terrorist had escaped prosecution for crimes far worse than anything done by paratroopers on Bloody Sunday.

He urged Mr Cameron to consider holding an investigation into the Brighton bombing.

"My anxiety now is that we should not divide victims into first and second class victims.

"In my mind are the victims of the IRA's bombing of the Grand Hotel in Brighton. Are they not to achieve closure?"

BBC

A very measured responded. I'm pleased at how he conducted himself. I hope Gregory Campbell was listening.

Can these people seriously not differentiate between the likes of the Brighton bomb and Bloody Sunday?  Are they slow?

When those who enforce the law break the law there is no law.

pintsofguinness

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Can these people seriously not differentiate between the likes of the Brighton bomb and Bloody Sunday?  Are they slow?
No, they're just hateful c***ts.
Which one of you bitches wants to dance?

Zapatista

Quote from: pintsofguinness on June 17, 2010, 12:11:19 AM
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The Conservative peer Lord Tebbit, whose wife was seriously injured in the IRA Brighton bombing said many terrorist had escaped prosecution for crimes far worse than anything done by paratroopers on Bloody Sunday.

He urged Mr Cameron to consider holding an investigation into the Brighton bombing.


"My anxiety now is that we should not divide victims into first and second class victims.

"In my mind are the victims of the IRA's bombing of the Grand Hotel in Brighton. Are they not to achieve closure?"

Another hateful ****.


I love all these who drop the word "closure" in, the Saville Report should only be the start of it! We'll have closure when c***ts like soldier f is locked up for the rest of his days.

It's like saying all prisoners in Britian should be released as there are still unsolved crimes. It's not fair on criminals who have been caught that those who haven't been caught are not in jail.

Zapatista

Quote from: Franko on June 17, 2010, 12:12:02 AM

Can these people seriously not differentiate between the likes of the Brighton bomb and Bloody Sunday?  Are they slow?

When those who enforce the law break the law there is no law.

They know rightly. Don't take their word for anytrhing regarding the north.

pintsofguinness

and wtf does he mean there's crimes far worse than shooting innocent people in a street?
Which one of you bitches wants to dance?

ziggysego

Tebbit is a disgrace. So much so, I pay no attention to his rants about the north. They are full of hate and venom and it is best not even acknowledging.

He is a throw back to the past and slowly but surely, the tide is changing. Attitudes are changing and the truth about our dark past are being to be acknowledged. We should use this time to push forward and bring new hope for the future of the north.
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