So can Mayo recover from the embarrassing performance in Ruislip? home advantage should swing it for the men in green & red.
Galway are equally useless, the pick of Connaught would not bother the good teams like cork and Kerry.
Hmmm, championship time and before Sunday I was looking forward to a good campaign, winning Connacht and who knows who we might get in Croke Park afterwards. Now it has all changed, changed utterly. It appears that the players who were out there on Sunday still have Sligo and Longford 2010 ingrained in their systems despite the lot of newcomers. Le cúnamh Dé I'm totally wrong and the same boys will bring a bit of pride into the jersey the next day out.
Hard to know what to expect to be honest. What Galway side will turn up? What Mayo side will turn up? Will London be a blessing in disguise or will we sink into a deeper malaise after another poor performance? But obviously those three questions will have the big baring on how this game goes.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 31, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Hmmm, championship time and before Sunday I was looking forward to a good campaign, winning Connacht and who knows who we might get in Croke Park afterwards. Now it has all changed, changed utterly.
Don't know Farrandeelin weren't you the guy that was tipping us for Connacht or maybe pardon the pun you were trying to "pull the wool over our eyes".
As i said over on the other thread i expect household changes,much improved performance & a win for Mayo.
Quote from: mannix on May 30, 2011, 07:35:04 PM
Galway are equally useless, the pick of Connaught would not bother the good teams like cork and Kerry.
Maybe you are right.
At a quick guess,I'd put Armagh, Down, Tyrone and probably Monaghan from Ulster in front of any Connacht county at the moment. In Leinster, I'd say the same about Dublin and Kildare and, down south, I'd opt for Kerry, Cork and maybe Limerick as well.
But Mayo, Roscommon and Galway in particular have had fine u21 sides in recent times and all have a good sprinkling of experienced hands on board as well while Sligo may well recover their form of last year. I know Mayo were awful last Sunday but I was genuinely impresssed by some of the London players on show as well. They played far better as a unit than their league form suggested.
Last Sunday's display may yet prove to have been a blessing in disguise for Horan's Hopefuls.
Galway appear to have sorted out their internal divisions and had a great u21 season this year. I expect a cracker of a game in three weeks' time and maybe we'll have a number of them in Connacht yet. The season doesn't look too bright at the mo but I'll wait until all concerned play their next matches before I get truly depressed. ;D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 31, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Hmmm, championship time and before Sunday I was looking forward to a good campaign, winning Connacht and who knows who we might get in Croke Park afterwards. Now it has all changed, changed utterly. It appears that the players who were out there on Sunday still have Sligo and Longford 2010 ingrained in their systems despite the lot of newcomers. Le cúnamh Dé I'm totally wrong and the same boys will bring a bit of pride into the jersey the next day out.
Hard to know what to expect to be honest. What Galway side will turn up? What Mayo side will turn up? Will London be a blessing in disguise or will we sink into a deeper malaise after another poor performance? But obviously those three questions will have the big baring on how this game goes.
I think people are reading too much into that London game. I just highlighted that bit above Farandeelin cause I d go the opposite. I dont think that we have a crisis of confidence from last years losses to Longford and Sligo but, on the contrary, we still don t take what we consider our lessers seriously. Call it complacancy if we want but it wont change any time soon. If we had to go to London next year again, we would want to come away with as little effort as possible. We have habit of repeating mistakes and not learning here. We learned f**k all from AI finals 04 to 06. Same shite repeated. JH is taking flak now for his so-called sweeper system and is being advised to drop it and go back to the football equivalent of the 4-4-2. It may take a while but things have to change. We were not exactly successful from 51-11 with the off-the-cuff Mayo style. Lovely to watch on the good days that were few and far between. This change may take time but it has to happen.
Also when you think about it few players would want their summer to finish in Ruislip gettin their head taken off or by putting in a bone crunching hit. Stuff they will be doing against Galway. Imagine if we beat London well and lost a player like Dillon, Moran or Freeman for months. Would we be better off? London s performance means f**k all. We dodged a bullet and a disaster but it has no bearing on what is to come.
Barney made a point in another thread about how much some of our lads want to play for Mayo - I mean really play. I wouldn t judge too many on the London display. I mean Campbell seems to have had a nightmare in Ruislip but I would not question his desire - in fact he may have been a bit too tight by all account. And he had a fine league. On the other hand one that was culled from the panel said that it was a relief. Going to training was a 'chore'. Even if he was saving face fair play to JH for identifying a lack of desire. Looking at the panel as presently constituted I dont see any gluggers to be honest. I think we could be ok when it starts for real.
The loser of this one could suffer a serious blow to their All-Ireland ambitions.
PP odds Mayo 4/5 Draw 7/1 Galway 11/8
Quote from: muppet on June 01, 2011, 01:32:44 AM
The loser of this one could suffer a serious blow to their All-Ireland ambitions.
If Mayo lose they will probably get sucked into an IMF bailout.
They would be kept out of the market for 2 years while they restructured the heads
and then they might be back by 2014 depending on how things went in Greece.
The IMF are very strict on the number of wides allowable on the nearest side per
half and on aimless handpassing that never goes anywhere.
Quote from: ross4life on May 31, 2011, 08:50:08 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 31, 2011, 08:20:16 PM
Hmmm, championship time and before Sunday I was looking forward to a good campaign, winning Connacht and who knows who we might get in Croke Park afterwards. Now it has all changed, changed utterly.
Don't know Farrandeelin weren't you the guy that was tipping us for Connacht or maybe pardon the pun you were trying to "pull the wool over our eyes".
As i said over on the other thread i expect household changes,much improved performance & a win for Mayo.
the type of household changes you would need would be ethnic cleansing and the transfer of half of population of Kerry into Mayo .
Instead of Maurice Sheridan teaching 28/29 year old men how to kick a ball over the bar from 21 yards perhaps we might be better off if we got Maurice fit enough to play and take the frees himself.
Would any of the four Mayo players on the London team make our Junior team? Probably not. Are they good enough for the our senior team? Why not.
When you fail in succesive years to beat Sligo and Longford and London forces you to extra time then shuffling the sad pack we have wont do the trick.
BJ Padden, Austin O Malley and Alan Costelloe had to get out of the rags of misery before they were appreciated. James Horan has a thankless task. Its not his fault that the standard of football in the county is dire. However those charged with running the game in Mayo need to look at themselves.
QuoteWhen you fail in succesive years to beat Sligo and Longford and London forces you to extra time then shuffling the sad pack we have wont do the trick
This was my point on another thread and I got a roasting for it. We don't have the natural footballers, bar a few like Dillion, O'Shea, Doherty and Moran, on the panel and the correct skill set to contest at any level currently.
We may aswell forget this year now and re-focus on oh12.
It's time for a radical call by Mayo football. I for 1 after this year would drop all players over the age of 24 outright from the Mayo panel / senior set up. I don't care who they are. Start from scratch with a gang of young lads and train them in football and forget all this fitness and weights craze.
Quote from: highorlow on June 01, 2011, 02:02:49 PM
QuoteWhen you fail in succesive years to beat Sligo and Longford and London forces you to extra time then shuffling the sad pack we have wont do the trick
This was my point on another thread and I got a roasting for it. We don't have the natural footballers, bar a few like Dillion, O'Shea, Doherty and Moran, on the panel and the correct skill set to contest at any level currently.
We may aswell forget this year now and re-focus on oh12.
It's time for a radical call by Mayo football. I for 1 after this year would drop all players over the age of 24 outright from the Mayo panel / senior set up. I don't care who they are. Start from scratch with a gang of young lads and train them in football and forget all this fitness and weights craze.
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Quote from: highorlow on June 01, 2011, 02:02:49 PM
It's time for a radical call by Mayo football. I for 1 after this year would drop all players over the age of 24 outright from the Mayo panel / senior set up. I don't care who they are. Start from scratch with a gang of young lads and train them in football and forget all this fitness and weights craze.
ah stop.... 3 and a half hours earlier you said:
Quote from: highorlow on June 01, 2011, 10:30:05 AM
We would be aswell to start the O'Shea brothers in mid-field the next day, trevor mort at CHF, and howley at full back and bring back Geraghty. I would start Gardiner and McLoughlin also. Luck enough that panels are so big these days.
First your on about having most of the old guard back (Trev, Geraghty, SOS, Gardnier etc) and now your on about cutting everyone over 24 years of age?
We dont need to argue with you at all, your doing fine all by yourself! :D
Read my comments before posting any criticism. What I have said is...
QuoteWe may aswell forget this year now and re-focus on oh12.
QuoteI for 1 after this year would drop all players over the age of 24 outright from the Mayo panel / senior set up.
The 3 and a half hours earlier quote was in relation to this year and to try and avoid another humiliation to the hands of Wicklow or Offaly or the like in the back door because if we stick to what we have that's what is going to happen.
Quote from: highorlow on June 01, 2011, 02:45:14 PM
Read my comments before posting any criticism. What I have said is...
QuoteWe may aswell forget this year now and re-focus on oh12.
QuoteI for 1 after this year would drop all players over the age of 24 outright from the Mayo panel / senior set up.
The 3 and a half hours earlier quote was in relation to this year and to try and avoid another humiliation to the hands of Wicklow or Offaly or the like in the back door because if we stick to what we have that's what is going to happen.
Fair enough, ill stop picking on ya so! ;)
QuoteWe may aswell forget this year now and re-focus on oh12.
That is what was said last year, and in 2007, and in 2008 and in 2009 before that.
When are we actually going to grab the bull by the horns?
There is little that will be achieved while the current County Board are in place. They are the GAA equivalent of Fianna Fail. They have destroyed the games within the county, have been there too long, and are not wanted by the general Mayo GAA community. However those with the power i.e. the clubs will not or cannot stand up to the Board. And even if they were to who would actually want to come in and take over a voluntary role managing an astronomical debt as well as what happens on the pitch.
The feared and sad reality is that James Horan will walk the plank if a Connacht title is not delivered this year. And then we will be back to another embarassing circus like last year in attempting to replace him in a job that nobody wants.
Quote from: Barney on June 01, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
The feared and sad reality is that James Horan will walk the plank if a Connacht title is not delivered this year.
Seriously Barney? Im not sure if expectation is that high.
I would hope that we can win a Connacht title, or at least have a decent run in the qualifiers and anything else being a bonus really.
Has been confirmed Mayo v Roscommon minor game is on at 12...3rd time in a row we have to travel to McHale park while fans at the Sligo v Galway minor game only have to pay 10/15 euro we have to fork out 25/30 euro >:(
Quote from: ross4life on June 01, 2011, 05:33:09 PM
Has been confirmed Mayo v Roscommon minor game is on at 12...3rd time in a row we have to travel to McHale park while fans at the Sligo v Galway minor game only have to pay 10/15 euro we have to fork out 25/30 euro >:(
I suppose that's what happens when the main man over the Connacht Gaa board is a Mayo man.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 01, 2011, 05:12:52 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 01, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
The feared and sad reality is that James Horan will walk the plank if a Connacht title is not delivered this year.
Seriously Barney? Im not sure if expectation is that high.
I would hope that we can win a Connacht title, or at least have a decent run in the qualifiers and anything else being a bonus really.
He could be talking about what the Co board boys want.
Fact is that the ~ 30 players we have on the panel are arguably the best 30 footballers in the county give or take a couple so if we start from scratch, we're going to have to dip into the transfer market in a big way......... ::)
Is it possible that the current players simply don't have the desire to win an all ireland? Are they happy just being the best 30 players in Mayo safe in the knowledge that making the squad / team means that they've "made it"? In '06, JO'C said something along the lines that the previous year meant more hurt to Kerry than 55 did to Mayo and maybe it's the same now following the last 3 championship games??
Regardless of how the results go in the Galway game and whoever we play afterwards, I hope we see a hell of a lot more heart and pride in the jersey the next day.
As already mentioned, the free-taking situation is unreal - no excuses from JH (and all predecessors since MS retired) for not having it sorted. It's early days for him yet though.....
Roll on the Galway game
It's hard to imagine Mayo being more of a mess than Galway this year considering the league.
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2011, 09:01:34 PM
It's hard to imagine Mayo being more of a mess than Galway this year considering the league.
Ye must be screaming hot favourites by now. Is there any point in us turning up?
Quote from: muppet on June 01, 2011, 10:59:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2011, 09:01:34 PM
It's hard to imagine Mayo being more of a mess than Galway this year considering the league.
Ye must be screaming hot favourites by now. Is there any point in us turning up?
I dunno. Maybe this is purgatory.
What s the point either team showing up? Looks like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
But they are going to show up on the 26th and I hope to be there as I have been since the 70s since I first attended . Mind you I wont be able to get the kids to go which is a shame. Unfortunately our championship is finding it hard to compete with X Box etc. All the ould negative shite - not only the annual Mayo weeping, but the whimpering of likes of Spillane on the telly every Sunday is hardly compulsive viewing for kids.
Maybe off the point here but game is being presented way too negative in general. Young lads that play for their club and stuff don t watch it on tv or go to games much. Many club players never attend county matches. Forget about negative tactics on the pitch, it is the whole catholic-sense of gloom and foreboding that surrounds the game in a lot of the media every Summer that is a turn off.
Quote from: moysider on June 01, 2011, 11:47:52 PM
What s the point either team showing up? Looks like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
But they are going to show up on the 26th and I hope to be there as I have been since the 70s since I first attended . Mind you I wont be able to get the kids to go which is a shame. Unfortunately our championship is finding it hard to compete with X Box etc. All the ould negative shite - not only the annual Mayo weeping, but the whimpering of likes of Spillane on the telly every Sunday is hardly compulsive viewing for kids.
Maybe off the point here but game is being presented way too negative in general. Young lads that play for their club and stuff don t watch it on tv or go to games much. Many club players never attend county matches. Forget about negative tactics on the pitch, it is the whole catholic-sense of gloom and foreboding that surrounds the game in a lot of the media every Summer that is a turn off.
Good man Moysider. I'm sick to my shite of reading lists of fifteen counties that could win Connacht this year if only they were in it when the world and his uncle knows half those jokers couldn't beat dust out of a carpet.
Cork or Kerry could win Connacht. I don't fancy anyone else to cross the Shannon and do it, and why in damnation should I? Why do I read about Kildare every year? Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare? Laois? Monaghan? Are you all gone mad? As another Mayoman asked his team in another code once, where's your f**king pride? No wonder teams lose if this is people's idea of support. I dread to think of what some people would write if they were against teams, instead of supporting them. Jesus Christ.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Quote from: moysider on June 01, 2011, 11:47:52 PM
What s the point either team showing up? Looks like 2 bald men fighting over a comb.
But they are going to show up on the 26th and I hope to be there as I have been since the 70s since I first attended . Mind you I wont be able to get the kids to go which is a shame. Unfortunately our championship is finding it hard to compete with X Box etc. All the ould negative shite - not only the annual Mayo weeping, but the whimpering of likes of Spillane on the telly every Sunday is hardly compulsive viewing for kids.
Maybe off the point here but game is being presented way too negative in general. Young lads that play for their club and stuff don t watch it on tv or go to games much. Many club players never attend county matches. Forget about negative tactics on the pitch, it is the whole catholic-sense of gloom and foreboding that surrounds the game in a lot of the media every Summer that is a turn off.
Good man Moysider. I'm sick to my shite of reading lists of fifteen counties that could win Connacht this year if only they were in it when the world and his uncle knows half those jokers couldn't beat dust out of a carpet.
Cork or Kerry could win Connacht. I don't fancy anyone else to cross the Shannon and do it, and why in damnation should I? Why do I read about Kildare every year? Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare? Laois? Monaghan? Are you all gone mad? As another Mayoman asked his team in another code once, where's your f**king pride? No wonder teams lose if this is people's idea of support. I dread to think of what some people would write if they were against teams, instead of supporting them. Jesus Christ.
Everytime I drive over that bridge in Athlone I think they should have a sign that says "Failte go Connacht" and for people going in the opposite direction "you are now entering hell" . But there is no imagination in Roscommon County Council.
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
Whatever happened to that cherished concept of the perfect Connacht final: Galway v Mayo. It only seems like yesterday when the good denizens of the more westerly parts of the west bemoaned the one-hat Connacht draw, which has every now and again resulted in an imperfect provincial final. Indeed it has mystified many how the Connacht Chairman has been unable to pull a second hat out of his hat and keep these two great rivals apart until July. Does he not know that Leitrim, Sligo and Ros are only upstarts and unable to fill McHale or handle the Salthill air in Pearse? And London? Well, don't mention London. Ruislip almost witnessed slaughter on a scale that has not been witnessed on the Banks of the Thames since Queen Boudicca burned the town down two thousand years ago. Now after getting the fright of their life from the likes of London and New York, it appears neither Mayo or Galway are even fit to show up for a Connacht semi-final clash with the other. This is very disconcerting and there won't be a sacred cow milked in Connacht for the rest of the Summer.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 09:07:00 AM
Everytime I drive over that bridge in Athlone I think they should have a sign that says "Failte go Connacht" and for people going in the opposite direction "you are now entering hell" . But there is no imagination in Roscommon County Council.
all you need to do is smell the sweet air when you cross the Shannon going West at Athlone .
When you cross from Lanesboro in Larryland into Ballyleague there's a sign about signs and speed limits being in kilometres per hour.
The Larries must still be using miles etc ;D
Then again you often see a sign in the middle of Ireland in English/French/ German saying to drive on the left as if foreigners had arrived by parachute. :D
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on June 02, 2011, 01:31:49 PM
Whatever happened to that cherished concept of the perfect Connacht final: Galway v Mayo. It only seems like yesterday when the good denizens of the more westerly parts of the west bemoaned the one-hat Connacht draw, which has every now and again resulted in an imperfect provincial final. Indeed it has mystified many how the Connacht Chairman has been unable to pull a second hat out of his hat and keep these two great rivals apart until July. Does he not know that Leitrim, Sligo and Ros are only upstarts and unable to fill McHale or handle the Salthill air in Pearse? And London? Well, don't mention London. Ruislip almost witnessed slaughter on a scale that has not been witnessed on the Banks of the Thames since Queen Boudicca burned the town down two thousand years ago. Now after getting the fright of their life from the likes of London and New York, it appears neither Mayo or Galway are even fit to show up for a Connacht semi-final clash with the other. This is very disconcerting and there won't be a sacred cow milked in Connacht for the rest of the Summer.
If it isn't Mayo doing the béal bocht it's Roscommon doing the Napoleon complex .
Napoleon complex is an informal term describing an alleged type of inferiority complex which is said to affect some people, especially men, who are short in stature [or in all-Irelands]. . Other names for the term include Napoleon syndrome[1] and Short Man syndrome.[2] I don't buy this Mayo whingeing for a minute. There isn't a single Mayo poster in the Qualifiers thread.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 02:10:22 PM
I don't buy this Mayo whingeing for a minute. There isn't a single Mayo poster in the Qualifiers thread.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 30, 2011, 04:59:33 PM
Mayo will probably end up in it later on in the year too.
Third post there.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 02, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
Quote from: Barney on June 01, 2011, 03:36:57 PM
QuoteWe may aswell forget this year now and re-focus on oh12.
That is what was said last year, and in 2007, and in 2008 and in 2009 before that.
When are we actually going to grab the bull by the horns?
There is little that will be achieved while the current County Board are in place. They are the GAA equivalent of Fianna Fail. They have destroyed the games within the county, have been there too long, and are not wanted by the general Mayo GAA community. However those with the power i.e. the clubs will not or cannot stand up to the Board. And even if they were to who would actually want to come in and take over a voluntary role managing an astronomical debt as well as what happens on the pitch.
The feared and sad reality is that James Horan will walk the plank if a Connacht title is not delivered this year. And then we will be back to another embarassing circus like last year in attempting to replace him in a job that nobody wants.
That post reminds me of our own county board down here.I don't agree with all this talk about Mayo being bottlers in 96 and 97 they would have won the all ireland if they had 1 free scoring forward while in 04 and 06 they just weren't good enough.People used to wrongly call us bottlers but that Cork team from 05-08 were a few top class players short of winning an all ireland.I would be hopefull that Mayo can win connacht and if they win a match in croke park it will be a great year for them.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
When was the last time they beat a non connacht team in the championship? ;D
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
10 years ago although it was the right game to win. Would make you feel old though.
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I don't believe there is any confidence problem or complexes with Galway footballers though. When they have a team that's good enough they win All-Ireland's. When they have one that isn't good enough. They generally don't.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 02, 2011, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
10 years ago although it was the right game to win. Would make you feel old though.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF67/074214.jpg)
Were talking about the present stop living off an event 10 years ago. ;D
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Have a good look at it it will be the closest you lot will get to Sam this year. ;D
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:18:10 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
When was the last time they beat a non connacht team in the championship? ;D
2004 v Louth i think.
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 02, 2011, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
10 years ago although it was the right game to win. Would make you feel old though.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF67/074214.jpg)
Were talking about the present stop living off an event 10 years ago. ;D
(http://www.millstreet.ie/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010-09-19-Graham-Canty-lifts-Sam.jpg)
Have a good look at it it will be the closest you lot will get to Sam this year. ;D
Congratulations on your win.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 02, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 02, 2011, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
10 years ago although it was the right game to win. Would make you feel old though.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF67/074214.jpg)
Were talking about the present stop living off an event 10 years ago. ;D
(http://www.millstreet.ie/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010-09-19-Graham-Canty-lifts-Sam.jpg)
Have a good look at it it will be the closest you lot will get to Sam this year. ;D
Congratulations on your win.
On a more serious note i would like to see Galway,Mayo and Down get there act together all three are tradtionaly very nice and clean footballing counties.Galway have a few nice forwards but i think they are weak enough in defence and that will be there downfall.Still though the u21 all ireland win has shown that talk about Galway being in decline as a football county are a bit premature.
QuoteAs another Mayoman asked his team in another code once, where's your f**king pride?
Since when is Ciaran Fitzgerald a Mayo man? Born and bred in Galway
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
Galway won nothing for a long time between the early 70s and 1983 and nothing again until 1998
but when Donnellan and Joyce came along none of it mattered. If Galway have a decent team again at some stage in the future they'll be back winning all-Irelands while Mayo will be throwing them away. Why is that ?
Galway are like Down.
Quote from: galwayman on June 02, 2011, 04:36:58 PM
QuoteAs another Mayoman asked his team in another code once, where's your f**king pride?
Since when is Ciaran Fitzgerald a Mayo man? Born and bred in Galway
think icc meant to put in connacht man ;) is it really 10 years since galway won in Croke park :o in that time their clubs have won Ai Club Finals and including this year they have won 3 Ai under 21's tiitles so they obviously have good players
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:34:41 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 02, 2011, 04:28:30 PM
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 02, 2011, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
10 years ago although it was the right game to win. Would make you feel old though.
(http://www.sportsfile.com/winshare/watermarked-b/Library/SF67/074214.jpg)
Were talking about the present stop living off an event 10 years ago. ;D
(http://www.millstreet.ie/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010-09-19-Graham-Canty-lifts-Sam.jpg)
Have a good look at it it will be the closest you lot will get to Sam this year. ;D
Congratulations on your win.
On a more serious note i would like to see Galway,Mayo and Down get there act together all three are tradtionaly very nice and clean footballing counties.Galway have a few nice forwards but i think they are weak enough in defence and that will be there downfall.Still though the u21 all ireland win has shown that talk about Galway being in decline as a football county are a bit premature.
Hopefully we can bring some of the U-21's through. Unusually for a Galway team they were probably stronger in midfield and defence than they were in attack. Not that they were bad up front either but some of the previous U-21 teams relied on a couple of superstars up front to win them titles which hid some of the weaknesses elsewhere.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:44:50 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
Galway won nothing for a long time between the early 70s and 1983 and nothing again until 1998
but when Donnellan and Joyce came along none of it mattered. If Galway have a decent team again at some stage in the future they'll be back winning all-Irelands while Mayo will be throwing them away. Why is that ?
Galway are like Down.
why didn't Down win the Ai final last year then ?
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:50:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:44:50 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:04:59 PM
when did the galway seniors last win a game in croke park seafoid?
Galway won nothing for a long time between the early 70s and 1983 and nothing again until 1998
but when Donnellan and Joyce came along none of it mattered. If Galway have a decent team again at some stage in the future they'll be back winning all-Irelands while Mayo will be throwing them away. Why is that ?
Galway are like Down.
why didn't Down win the Ai final last year then ?
I think they missed 2 frees ;)
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 02, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
The Ros 2006 minor win was one of the best. Kerry were raging favourites.
That is the kind of all-Ireland win Mayo need.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
The Ros 2006 minor win was one of the best. Kerry were raging favourites.
That is the kind of all-Ireland win Mayo need.
:D :D would you make up your mind . Are you saying the rossies suffer from stagefright or not ?
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
The Ros 2006 minor win was one of the best. Kerry were raging favourites.
That is the kind of all-Ireland win Mayo need.
And what about the 2006 U-21 final win v an unbelievably strong Cork team.
Mayo were underdogs that day, but went down to Ennis and beat them.
Please explain.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
The Ros 2006 minor win was one of the best. Kerry were raging favourites.
That is the kind of all-Ireland win Mayo need.
So have you not just put your own foot in your mouth there then and shot yourself in the other foot?
Ross drew with "raging favourites" kerry in Corker and beat them in a replay.
Where was the stage fright?
How many All-Ireland finals have Ros got to in the last 20 years? One
And Mayo? I think it is 15 but it is definitely more than one anyway.
And which team has the better record ?
Has this turned into a how many All-Irelands Mayo have gotten to v Ros have gotten to thread now all because seafoid's view that Galway just turn up when they want to. We'll see on the 26th how strong/poor Mayo and Galway are.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2011, 05:18:46 PM
Has this turned into a how many All-Irelands Mayo have gotten to v Ros have gotten to thread now all because seafoid's view that Galway just turn up when they want to. We'll see on the 26th how strong/poor Mayo and Galway are.
aye Seafoid is all confused he 1st said both us and the rossies has stagefright now its just mayo because the rossies won in 2006, then he says down are like galway they never loose all irelands but down did last year due to 2 missed frees ;) and he still has no answer as to why galway have not won a game in Croke park the past 10 years and as far as i know pj played in All of those games.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
How many All-Ireland finals have Ros got to in the last 20 years? One
And Mayo? I think it is 15 but it is definitely more than one anyway.
And which team has the better record ?
Do you need a JCB to dig that hole bigger for you?
Cause the shovel you've been using wont dig it any deeper unless you jump in altogether.
And then it'll be so deep you wont be able to get out...... oh wait! :o
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 05:23:13 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 02, 2011, 05:18:46 PM
Has this turned into a how many All-Irelands Mayo have gotten to v Ros have gotten to thread now all because seafoid's view that Galway just turn up when they want to. We'll see on the 26th how strong/poor Mayo and Galway are.
aye Seafoid is all confused he 1st said both us and the rossies has stagefright now its just mayo because the rossies won in 2006, then he says down are like galway they never loose all irelands but down did last year due to 2 missed frees ;) and he still has no answer as to why galway have not won a game in Croke park the past 10 years and as far as i know pj played in All of those games.
Yep box ticked for every lazy generalisation there ever was....
Oh wait there is one more..... Seafoid on one of those (exceedingly rare) when Ross stumbled their way to beating Galway in a championship match did you meet the (by now legendary) abusive Rossie that always turns up to haunt opposition supporters when Ross win against the books?
If so are you still traumatised by this?
If you answer yes to the above dont forget to also trot out the disclaimer first... "Roscommon deserved their win today but........"
Ok once you've that done then you've the full set of cliches covered.
Thanks lads. It has been a very entertaining afternoon.
BTW Deel Rover I didn't say "Galway are like down they don't lose all-Irelands". Of course we do. But we wouldn't lose 14 in a row ;) Teams have some sort of thought patterns and whatever Mayo has in all-Ireland finals seems to be banjaxed.
I still think Mayo are favourites for the match against Galway fwiw.
Seafoid are you related to Sylvie Linnane by any chance?
As you too would start a riot in a graveyard. ;D
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But Seafoid, what happens when Mayo play Galway in Croke Park ;)
All we need is to play the Heron Chokers in September in HQ and we are quids in.
Quote from: ross matt on June 02, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 02, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
To be fair now i would hardly call Galway a football super power considering they have only won 2 all irelands since the 60's.They are the most successful connacht county but that's hardly a great achievement.If i were a Galway man i would be more worried about beating a non connacht team first. ;)
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 07:41:52 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 02, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 02, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
To be fair now i would hardly call Galway a football super power considering they have only won 2 all irelands since the 60's.They are the most successful connacht county but that's hardly a great achievement.If i were a Galway man i would be more worried about beating a non connacht team first. ;)
Galway (9) - 1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001.
Cork (7) - 1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989, 1990, 2010.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 02, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 07:41:52 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 02, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 02, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
To be fair now i would hardly call Galway a football super power considering they have only won 2 all irelands since the 60's.They are the most successful connacht county but that's hardly a great achievement.If i were a Galway man i would be more worried about beating a non connacht team first. ;)
Galway (9) - 1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001.
Cork (7) - 1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989, 1990, 2010.
No answer to that one in fairness!
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 02, 2011, 06:00:26 PM
Seafoid are you related to Sylvie Linnane by any chance?
As you too would start a riot in a graveyard. ;D
Too much credit to him. Stirring it would mean he knew what he was talking about instead of spouting shite he cant stand over.
Quote from: GaillimhIarthair on June 02, 2011, 07:57:10 PM
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 07:41:52 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 02, 2011, 04:53:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 04:00:30 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 02, 2011, 03:41:43 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Donnellys Hollow on June 02, 2011, 12:58:44 AM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
To be fair now i would hardly call Galway a football super power considering they have only won 2 all irelands since the 60's.They are the most successful connacht county but that's hardly a great achievement.If i were a Galway man i would be more worried about beating a non connacht team first. ;)
Galway (9) - 1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001.
Cork (7) - 1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989, 1990, 2010.
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Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
To be fair now i would hardly call Galway a football super power considering they have only won 2 all irelands since the 60's.They are the most successful connacht county but that's hardly a great achievement.If i were a Galway man i would be more worried about beating a non connacht team first. ;)
Galway (9) - 1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001.
Cork (7) - 1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989, 1990, 2010.
Ahem Cork 120 All Irelands across all codes of the GAA Galway 47. You are the second biggest county in ireland and ye don't even have as many all irelands as we have. ;) And we have only lost to Kerry in croke park in the championship since 04.Galway can't buy a win there for love nor money in recent years.
Is their a rational reason why a Cork man is trying to wind up the Galway lads? or is this another reincarnation of PSTG??
Quote from: ross4life on June 02, 2011, 08:51:57 PM
Is their a rational reason why a Cork man is trying to wind up the Galway lads? or is this another reincarnation of PSTG??
Fair play they have more senior football all irelands than us but they don't have as many as us across all codes of the gaa.No winding up just stating facts. ;D
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
To be fair now i would hardly call Galway a football super power considering they have only won 2 all irelands since the 60's.They are the most successful connacht county but that's hardly a great achievement.If i were a Galway man i would be more worried about beating a non connacht team first. ;)
Galway (9) - 1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001.
Cork (7) - 1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989, 1990, 2010.
Ahem Cork 120 All Irelands across all codes of the GAA Galway 47. You are the second biggest county in ireland and ye don't even have as many all irelands as we have. ;) And we have only lost to Kerry in croke park in the championship since 04.Galway can't buy a win there for love nor money in recent years.
And I doubt we will get a win there either this year but sure our time will come again at some stage when we have a good enough team. Anyway, its seems unusual for a Youghal man to be getting worked up about football. Hurling would be the staple diet in that neck of the woods, no?
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Why do I read about Kildare every year?
Because you buy a newspaper on an annual basis?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 02, 2011, 12:01:20 AM
Who wakes up screaming thinking of Kildare?
I do......
Fair play to you Hollow, you're a scholar and a gentleman. I should point out that I've been to games in Laois, Kildare and Monaghan and I found the welcome warm and the football tremendous. It just gets on my wick when people in West lie down and are then totally mystified when they get walked on.
I think, Iolar, that we tend to overlook theh fact that players and supporters live in each others' shadows.
Unlike professional soccer and rugby players, our GAA lads are very much part of their own communities and therefore react to the vibes they pick up from those around them. If the fans are happy, the team plays well. If the fans think their neighbour's child is a total waste of space and couldn't kick snow off a rope, the poor lad's confidence is going to be sorely dented.
It's a two-way process; a form of synergy if you like.
Far too often, I have seen brilliant games in venues from Salthilll to Carrick and left those grounds knowing that the winners would never reproduce their form when they crossed the Shannon. Unlike draught Guinness, Connacht players should not lose their best qualities when they travel across water. Yet, most times they do no matter where the crossing occurs.
I don't think players lose their talents when they venture outside Connacht but all too often they do lose their confidence and I put that down to the drop of expectations amongst their supporters. That's a generalisation I know but it does happen more often than not.
If Galway fuballers have a good team they can go all the way and being from Connacht doesn't come into it. This year's under 21 was a good example. They were underdogs against Cork but they had no fear of them and won the semi final and then the final was a walk in the park.
Ros and Mayo are the ones that tend to suffer from stage fright . They both had good under 21 teams recently but nothing came of them. It must be all in the head. The Galway hurlers have a similar affliction at senior level but can still churn out the goods under age.
I can't bear to look at how many all-Ireland finals Mayo have lost in the last 20 years.
Galway had the players to beat the likes of Sligo, Wexford and Westmeath in recent years but they were'nt able to do it. Explain that?
Roscommon won the Connacht u-21s last year so there was obviously nothing wrong with their heads then. They also won connacht senior and it was lack of ability not confidence in Croker that had them lose to eventual AI winners Cork. They won the 06 minor AI beating Kerry in a replay so your "stage fright" theory doesnt hold up then either. In Connacht that year they beat an excellent Galway side in a turn up for the books. The reverse happened the year after when Galway went on to win the minor AI.
This year the Ross u-21 side wasnt within an asses roar of what turned out to be an excellent AI winning Galway side. Again there was no mental issues.... Ross were outclassed physically and skilfully.
Roscommon held their own at senior v the Dubs in 04 and kerry in 03 with both matches in Croker. The 90/91 sides were beaten by Meath and Cork in Croker in very competitive matches.
Cant think of any "stage fright" scenarios in Croker that you refer to. You'd be better looking at facts rather than trading on soundbites and stereotypes. Galway definitely have the ability to go up and win silverware from time to time but thats due to having had class players like Joyce/Donnellan & Co that Connacht winning Rossie sides never had. That being said 2001 is drifting in to the distance. Might be better to wait till after the Mayo match at least before condescendingly commenting on the neighbours mentality.
To be fair now i would hardly call Galway a football super power considering they have only won 2 all irelands since the 60's.They are the most successful connacht county but that's hardly a great achievement.If i were a Galway man i would be more worried about beating a non connacht team first. ;)
Galway (9) - 1925, 1934, 1938, 1956, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1998, 2001.
Cork (7) - 1890, 1911, 1945, 1973, 1989, 1990, 2010.
Ahem Cork 120 All Irelands across all codes of the GAA Galway 47. You are the second biggest county in ireland and ye don't even have as many all irelands as we have. ;) And we have only lost to Kerry in croke park in the championship since 04.Galway can't buy a win there for love nor money in recent years.
And I doubt we will get a win there either this year but sure our time will come again at some stage when we have a good enough team. Anyway, its seems unusual for a Youghal man to be getting worked up about football. Hurling would be the staple diet in that neck of the woods, no?
That's right im from the very far end of the hurling part of Cork but i like all Cork teams.I was there in Croke Park when we lost to Fermanagh in 04.Now going back to the matter at hand i will give a hesitant nod to Mayo but i wouldn't be surprised if Galway pull it off.
I was so happy that Cork won that all Ireland last year . That team had been trying for so long.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 05:55:17 PM
Thanks lads. It has been a very entertaining afternoon.
is that the best you could do seafoid disappointed in you ;)
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
How dare anybody suggest anything of the County board at this stage I'm afraid. The bloody hoors won't take any notice of it anyway. >:(
Quote from: ross4life on June 02, 2011, 08:51:57 PM
Is their a rational reason why a Cork man is trying to wind up the Galway lads? or is this another reincarnation of PSTG??
Having moved from trying to wind up the Mayo lads to giving Sligonian a seizure I guess we must be next. ;D
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
All that hassle to avoid the Knock airport 10euro fee ;)
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:15:08 PM
That post reminds me of our own county board down here.I don't agree with all this talk about Mayo being bottlers in 96 and 97 they would have won the all ireland if they had 1 free scoring forward while in 04 and 06 they just weren't good enough.People used to wrongly call us bottlers but that Cork team from 05-08 were a few top class players short of winning an all ireland.I would be hopefull that Mayo can win connacht and if they win a match in croke park it will be a great year for them.
Completely off-thread but I think the durty dubs are in the same situation now as Cork were a few years ago - a lot of people writing them off after losing a couple of matches they probably should have won. Will def win an AI in the next few years.
As you were.......
Quote from: ross4life on June 02, 2011, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
All that hassle to avoid the Knock airport 10euro fee ;)
Nice one ross. ffs no wonder we played like a drain after that. I heard they had a contingency plan in place to avoid the ash cloud. Looks like they used it anyway even after the smoker settled down. Christ what would they have done if the ash cloud had disrupted things. Rickshaws and bicycles perhaps.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
Jaysus Johnnie if thats the case no wonder they played as poorly as they did.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
Kudos to
Press Officer ... very entertaining :D
http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561#comments
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
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Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
Those travel arrangements just sound too ridiculous and incompetent to be true.
So to give a bit of balance, here's a comment stolen from Willie Joe's blog http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436).
I'm not a CB apologist but there might have been an element of circumstances of chance...
The one thing I will say about the flights situation, and it probably won't be appreciated on here at the bandwagon is already in full swing, is that there was most likely a responsibility placed on the board to get the players back to the west on Sunday night due to work commitments etc. This might not have been applicable to the fans, journos and board members.
Despite the existence of the words 'Knock' and 'Airport' as mentioned above, the place shuts at 7pm every night so if you wanted a flight to Connacht on Sunday night, the only available option is Galway. Galway Airport and Aer Arann, as you may be aware, are both on their knees financially, and have recently had to start routing all their London flights via Waterford, and flying to Southend instead of Luton, to to stay in operation. It's likely that when the flights were booked they were direct to Luton but were subsequently changed by the airline.
Im no county board apologist or anything like it I can assure you but I thought it was worth pointing that out about the unsuitability of Knock. But there is an agenda on here against the CB at the moment that is just looking for any excuse to have a dig. How that is supposed to help, I'm not entirely sure.
Can anyone here tell me where Trevor Mortimer has dissapeared to?? Played for Mayo and DCU last year but havent heard of him since?
Quote from: ck on June 03, 2011, 10:40:00 AM
Can anyone here tell me where Trevor Mortimer has dissapeared to?? Played for Mayo and DCU last year but havent heard of him since?
do you mean Connor ? He is out with his cruciate . Trevor came on as a sub on sunday
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Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
Those travel arrangements just sound too ridiculous and incompetent to be true.
So to give a bit of balance, here's a comment stolen from Willie Joe's blog http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436).
I'm not a CB apologist but there might have been an element of circumstances of chance...
The one thing I will say about the flights situation, and it probably won't be appreciated on here at the bandwagon is already in full swing, is that there was most likely a responsibility placed on the board to get the players back to the west on Sunday night due to work commitments etc. This might not have been applicable to the fans, journos and board members.
Despite the existence of the words 'Knock' and 'Airport' as mentioned above, the place shuts at 7pm every night so if you wanted a flight to Connacht on Sunday night, the only available option is Galway. Galway Airport and Aer Arann, as you may be aware, are both on their knees financially, and have recently had to start routing all their London flights via Waterford, and flying to Southend instead of Luton, to to stay in operation. It's likely that when the flights were booked they were direct to Luton but were subsequently changed by the airline.
Im no county board apologist or anything like it I can assure you but I thought it was worth pointing that out about the unsuitability of Knock. But there is an agenda on here against the CB at the moment that is just looking for any excuse to have a dig. How that is supposed to help, I'm not entirely sure.
Fair play, Tubberman; that puts what happened in Ruislip and the hasty departure afterwards in a different light..
It's a great pity that somebody in officialdom didn't bring this to public attention at the earliest possible opportunity. It might have served to deflect some of the criticism and abuse that James and the team are getting now.
The last thing they need right now is being reminded of the display last Sunday—they know it was cat without being reminded of this at every twist and turn.
Galway will have the bounce generated by their U21 success to help them in Castlebar and they seem to have sorted out the internal divisions that have hindered them in recent years.
I have seen plenty of brutal displays by the herrin' chokers over the years but I never yet saw a Galway side that lay down in a Connacht championship match.
Mayo will need all the luck and support they can get to come out on top on the 26th.
The fans who criticise them and the local media who don't present a balanced account of what happened in London aren't helping aren't helping them right now
Anybody hear how the Mayo v Donegal challenge game went last night?
Looks like the Mayo county board decided to take the scenic route before they've even entered the qualifiers.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 03, 2011, 11:40:47 AM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 03, 2011, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
Those travel arrangements just sound too ridiculous and incompetent to be true.
So to give a bit of balance, here's a comment stolen from Willie Joe's blog http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436).
I'm not a CB apologist but there might have been an element of circumstances of chance...
The one thing I will say about the flights situation, and it probably won't be appreciated on here at the bandwagon is already in full swing, is that there was most likely a responsibility placed on the board to get the players back to the west on Sunday night due to work commitments etc. This might not have been applicable to the fans, journos and board members.
Despite the existence of the words 'Knock' and 'Airport' as mentioned above, the place shuts at 7pm every night so if you wanted a flight to Connacht on Sunday night, the only available option is Galway. Galway Airport and Aer Arann, as you may be aware, are both on their knees financially, and have recently had to start routing all their London flights via Waterford, and flying to Southend instead of Luton, to to stay in operation. It's likely that when the flights were booked they were direct to Luton but were subsequently changed by the airline.
Im no county board apologist or anything like it I can assure you but I thought it was worth pointing that out about the unsuitability of Knock. But there is an agenda on here against the CB at the moment that is just looking for any excuse to have a dig. How that is supposed to help, I'm not entirely sure.
Fair play, Tubberman; that puts what happened in Ruislip and the hasty departure afterwards in a different light..
It's a great pity that somebody in officialdom didn't bring this to public attention at the earliest possible opportunity. It might have served to deflect some of the criticism and abuse that James and the team are getting now.
The last thing they need right now is being reminded of the display last Sunday—they know it was cat without being reminded of this at every twist and turn.
Galway will have the bounce generated by their U21 success to help them in Castlebar and they seem to have sorted out the internal divisions that have hindered them in recent years.
I have seen plenty of brutal displays by the herrin' chokers over the years but I never yet saw a Galway side that lay down in a Connacht championship match.
Mayo will need all the luck and support they can get to come out on top on the 26th.
The fans who criticise them and the local media who don't present a balanced account of what happened in London aren't helping aren't helping them right now
Good balance there lads, it seems there was has been quite the over reaction from the London game and now the travel details.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 02, 2011, 04:46:37 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 02, 2011, 04:36:58 PM
QuoteAs another Mayoman asked his team in another code once, where's your f**king pride?
Since when is Ciaran Fitzgerald a Mayo man? Born and bred in Galway
think icc meant to put in connacht man ;) is it really 10 years since galway won in Croke park :o in that time their clubs have won Ai Club Finals and including this year they have won 3 Ai under 21's tiitles so they obviously have good players
A google search tells me that Ciarán Fitzgerald was born in Loughrea, Co Galway. However, my copy of Breandán Ó hEithir's "Ciarán Fitzgerald agus Foireann Rugbaí na hÉireann" tells me the great man was born in great town of Ballina in the County Mayo (p 114).
I wondered about that when I read it, as Ballina doesn't have a maternity hospital. But then, neither does Loughrea. I shall investigate further and report back.
On the travel arrangement thing - anytime I book I flight I get an email confirming details. All the Board has to do is publish the email and settle the fact that they always acted with the team's welfare their first and only consideration. They can copy and paste here if they like - I'm sure we'll welcome the openness, accountability and transparency that the Mayo Taoiseach has brought to the nation bring brought to the humblest of the nation, the Mayo County Board.
Who does the free taking for Mayo these days?
QuoteWho does the free taking for Mayo these days?
Aidan Campbell, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty, Robert Hennelly and Aidan O'Se
QuoteI'm sure we'll welcome the openness, accountability and transparency that the Mayo Taoiseach has brought to the nation bring brought to the humblest of the nation, the Mayo County Board.
Not sure Leo Varadkar would agree
Quote from: Barney on June 03, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
QuoteWho does the free taking for Mayo these days?
Aidan Campbell, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty, Robert Hennelly and Aidan O'Se
QuoteI'm sure we'll welcome the openness, accountability and transparency that the Mayo Taoiseach has brought to the nation bring brought to the humblest of the nation, the Mayo County Board.
Not sure Leo Varadkar would agree
I love pedantic Friday ;)
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 01:29:52 PM
Who does the free taking for Mayo these days?
Undecided, but the piss taking role is set in stone.
Quote from: Barney on June 03, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
QuoteWho does the free taking for Mayo these days?
Aidan Campbell, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty, Robert Hennelly and Aidan O'Se
QuoteI'm sure we'll welcome the openness, accountability and transparency that the Mayo Taoiseach has brought to the nation bring brought to the humblest of the nation, the Mayo County Board.
Not sure Leo Varadkar would agree
Not forgetting Cillian O'Connor when he's on the field :)
Quote from: Tubberman on June 03, 2011, 02:54:40 PM
Quote from: Barney on June 03, 2011, 02:11:54 PM
QuoteWho does the free taking for Mayo these days?
Aidan Campbell, Alan Dillon, Andy Moran, Alan Freeman, Jason Doherty, Robert Hennelly and Aidan O'Se
QuoteI'm sure we'll welcome the openness, accountability and transparency that the Mayo Taoiseach has brought to the nation bring brought to the humblest of the nation, the Mayo County Board.
Not sure Leo Varadkar would agree
Not forgetting Cillian O'Connor when he's on the field :)
Richie Feeney took a 45 during the league
(how do I get off this bandwagon? )
Quote from: Tubberman on June 03, 2011, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
Those travel arrangements just sound too ridiculous and incompetent to be true.
So to give a bit of balance, here's a comment stolen from Willie Joe's blog http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436).
I'm not a CB apologist but there might have been an element of circumstances of chance...
The one thing I will say about the flights situation, and it probably won't be appreciated on here at the bandwagon is already in full swing, is that there was most likely a responsibility placed on the board to get the players back to the west on Sunday night due to work commitments etc. This might not have been applicable to the fans, journos and board members.
Despite the existence of the words 'Knock' and 'Airport' as mentioned above, the place shuts at 7pm every night so if you wanted a flight to Connacht on Sunday night, the only available option is Galway. Galway Airport and Aer Arann, as you may be aware, are both on their knees financially, and have recently had to start routing all their London flights via Waterford, and flying to Southend instead of Luton, to to stay in operation. It's likely that when the flights were booked they were direct to Luton but were subsequently changed by the airline.
Im no county board apologist or anything like it I can assure you but I thought it was worth pointing that out about the unsuitability of Knock. But there is an agenda on here against the CB at the moment that is just looking for any excuse to have a dig. How that is supposed to help, I'm not entirely sure.
That doesnt explain th eroundabout route to London though! They were staying in watford, literally a stone throw away from luton airport there is no reason in the world why they could not have flown direct to luton rather than go from galway to southend with bus journeys of over an hour at each end and stop off in between. By that going it would have made more as much sense to fly from dublin!!!
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 02, 2011, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:15:08 PM
That post reminds me of our own county board down here.I don't agree with all this talk about Mayo being bottlers in 96 and 97 they would have won the all ireland if they had 1 free scoring forward while in 04 and 06 they just weren't good enough.People used to wrongly call us bottlers but that Cork team from 05-08 were a few top class players short of winning an all ireland.I would be hopefull that Mayo can win connacht and if they win a match in croke park it will be a great year for them.
Completely off-thread but I think the durty dubs are in the same situation now as Cork were a few years ago - a lot of people writing them off after losing a couple of matches they probably should have won. Will def win an AI in the next few years.
As you were.......
Dublin's first target will be to get to All Ireland final something they haven't done since 1995.
Quote from: ludermor on June 03, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 03, 2011, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
Those travel arrangements just sound too ridiculous and incompetent to be true.
So to give a bit of balance, here's a comment stolen from Willie Joe's blog http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436).
I'm not a CB apologist but there might have been an element of circumstances of chance...
The one thing I will say about the flights situation, and it probably won't be appreciated on here at the bandwagon is already in full swing, is that there was most likely a responsibility placed on the board to get the players back to the west on Sunday night due to work commitments etc. This might not have been applicable to the fans, journos and board members.
Despite the existence of the words 'Knock' and 'Airport' as mentioned above, the place shuts at 7pm every night so if you wanted a flight to Connacht on Sunday night, the only available option is Galway. Galway Airport and Aer Arann, as you may be aware, are both on their knees financially, and have recently had to start routing all their London flights via Waterford, and flying to Southend instead of Luton, to to stay in operation. It's likely that when the flights were booked they were direct to Luton but were subsequently changed by the airline.
Im no county board apologist or anything like it I can assure you but I thought it was worth pointing that out about the unsuitability of Knock. But there is an agenda on here against the CB at the moment that is just looking for any excuse to have a dig. How that is supposed to help, I'm not entirely sure.
That doesnt explain th eroundabout route to London though! They were staying in watford, literally a stone throw away from luton airport there is no reason in the world why they could not have flown direct to luton rather than go from galway to southend with bus journeys of over an hour at each end and stop off in between. By that going it would have made more as much sense to fly from dublin!!!
I don't know the facts in relation to this at all, but the point in the post above is that the original plan probably
was to fly to Luton.
But apparently Aer Arann have recently rerouted all their Luton flights through Waterford and on to Southend.
Now even if that is the case, I'm sure the CB could have looked to change their plans, but maybe they would have lost their deposit, there were no suitable alternative flights etc
Quote from: ludermor on June 03, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 03, 2011, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
Those travel arrangements just sound too ridiculous and incompetent to be true.
So to give a bit of balance, here's a comment stolen from Willie Joe's blog http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436).
I'm not a CB apologist but there might have been an element of circumstances of chance...
The one thing I will say about the flights situation, and it probably won't be appreciated on here at the bandwagon is already in full swing, is that there was most likely a responsibility placed on the board to get the players back to the west on Sunday night due to work commitments etc. This might not have been applicable to the fans, journos and board members.
Despite the existence of the words 'Knock' and 'Airport' as mentioned above, the place shuts at 7pm every night so if you wanted a flight to Connacht on Sunday night, the only available option is Galway. Galway Airport and Aer Arann, as you may be aware, are both on their knees financially, and have recently had to start routing all their London flights via Waterford, and flying to Southend instead of Luton, to to stay in operation. It's likely that when the flights were booked they were direct to Luton but were subsequently changed by the airline.
Im no county board apologist or anything like it I can assure you but I thought it was worth pointing that out about the unsuitability of Knock. But there is an agenda on here against the CB at the moment that is just looking for any excuse to have a dig. How that is supposed to help, I'm not entirely sure.
That doesnt explain th eroundabout route to London though! They were staying in watford, literally a stone throw away from luton airport there is no reason in the world why they could not have flown direct to luton rather than go from galway to southend with bus journeys of over an hour at each end and stop off in between. By that going it would have made more as much sense to fly from dublin!!!
so are they saying that they went on this around the world in 80 days trip so that they could have the players back in time for work on monday. How the feck will the do that the next time we play new york hire the space shuttle or something ?
Muppet
The subject is obviously an emotional minefield but that makes it even more interesting .
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 03:30:58 PM
Muppet
The subject is obviously an emotional minefield but that makes it even more interesting .
do you post on the galway threads at all :D , i never seen a galway man so concerned about mayo football well maybe one other pstg, are ye related ;)
Quote from: Tubberman on June 03, 2011, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: ludermor on June 03, 2011, 03:13:19 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 03, 2011, 09:49:31 AM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 09:10:33 AM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 02, 2011, 10:05:14 PM
Thankfully the match is in Castlebar and the Mayo team should be able to find it without too much trouble. I see on another site that whilst the Mayo supporters supported the local airport in Knock the Mayo team did otherwise. Apparently in a noble gesture to re float a stagnant economy the Mayo county board spread their cash around a bit.
Hence the players gathered from all over Mayo in Castlebar. Then got the bus to Galway. From there they flew to Waterford. From there (sigh...I am getting travel sick at this stage) they flew to Southend. From there they bussed to London. And from there they made it onto the pitch the next day, travel weary and road and air lagged.
How dare anyone suggest that the county board might have got a handier way over i.e like the cattle boat from Dun Laoighre or a yacht from Westport.
:o i'm surprised rte didn't send charlie bird to make a documentary out of that trip . In fairness whoever organised that should be shot with balls of their own sh*te
Those travel arrangements just sound too ridiculous and incompetent to be true.
So to give a bit of balance, here's a comment stolen from Willie Joe's blog http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436 (http://mayogaablog.com/?p=7561&cpage=1#comment-11436).
I'm not a CB apologist but there might have been an element of circumstances of chance...
The one thing I will say about the flights situation, and it probably won't be appreciated on here at the bandwagon is already in full swing, is that there was most likely a responsibility placed on the board to get the players back to the west on Sunday night due to work commitments etc. This might not have been applicable to the fans, journos and board members.
Despite the existence of the words 'Knock' and 'Airport' as mentioned above, the place shuts at 7pm every night so if you wanted a flight to Connacht on Sunday night, the only available option is Galway. Galway Airport and Aer Arann, as you may be aware, are both on their knees financially, and have recently had to start routing all their London flights via Waterford, and flying to Southend instead of Luton, to to stay in operation. It's likely that when the flights were booked they were direct to Luton but were subsequently changed by the airline.
Im no county board apologist or anything like it I can assure you but I thought it was worth pointing that out about the unsuitability of Knock. But there is an agenda on here against the CB at the moment that is just looking for any excuse to have a dig. How that is supposed to help, I'm not entirely sure.
That doesnt explain th eroundabout route to London though! They were staying in watford, literally a stone throw away from luton airport there is no reason in the world why they could not have flown direct to luton rather than go from galway to southend with bus journeys of over an hour at each end and stop off in between. By that going it would have made more as much sense to fly from dublin!!!
I don't know the facts in relation to this at all, but the point in the post above is that the original plan probably was to fly to Luton.
But apparently Aer Arann have recently rerouted all their Luton flights through Waterford and on to Southend.
Now even if that is the case, I'm sure the CB could have looked to change their plans, but maybe they would have lost their deposit, there were no suitable alternative flights etc
a midweek flight to luton from knock would cost no more than 50 quid if it was booked within a few weeks! The way back is a different matter, sounds like someone couldnt be arsed to book seperate routes getting there and back.
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 03:30:58 PM
Muppet
The subject is obviously an emotional minefield but that makes it even more interesting .
do you post on the galway threads at all :D , i never seen a galway man so concerned about mayo football well maybe one other pstg, are ye related ;)
The Galway threads are very mundane. Fellas getting injured and match overviews and that sort of stuff.
The Mayo stuff is epic.
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 03:49:43 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 03, 2011, 03:35:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 03:30:58 PM
Muppet
The subject is obviously an emotional minefield but that makes it even more interesting .
do you post on the galway threads at all :D , i never seen a galway man so concerned about mayo football well maybe one other pstg, are ye related ;)
The Galway threads are very mundane. Fellas getting injured and match overviews and that sort of stuff.
The Mayo stuff is epic.
It must get boring talking to yourself all day as well.
Quote from: seafoid on June 02, 2011, 09:17:06 PM
I was so happy that Cork won that all Ireland last year . That team had been trying for so long.
Lord god if we didn't win it last year i would have commited suicide. ;D Hopefully if we can improve our goalscoring rate we might have a good chance of keeping sam here.Mayo are my hesitant tip to win connacht and it would be nice to see them win a match in croke park.Besides between losing to Longford last year and nearly losing to London Mayo must surely have run out of steps to fall down.Galway have the forwards to go on a championship run but they don't have a decent backline and that's what will cost them at the end of the day.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 03, 2011, 03:24:12 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 02, 2011, 11:38:22 PM
Quote from: Corcaigh Abu on June 02, 2011, 04:15:08 PM
That post reminds me of our own county board down here.I don't agree with all this talk about Mayo being bottlers in 96 and 97 they would have won the all ireland if they had 1 free scoring forward while in 04 and 06 they just weren't good enough.People used to wrongly call us bottlers but that Cork team from 05-08 were a few top class players short of winning an all ireland.I would be hopefull that Mayo can win connacht and if they win a match in croke park it will be a great year for them.
Completely off-thread but I think the durty dubs are in the same situation now as Cork were a few years ago - a lot of people writing them off after losing a couple of matches they probably should have won. Will def win an AI in the next few years.
As you were.......
Dublin's first target will be to get to All Ireland final something they haven't done since 1995.
Dublin need more forwards to back up Bernard Brogan if they can do that they will be in with a shout.
I think the thing about Mayo is that the negativity levels get very high after one bad performance and there are a bad feedback loops
and it must get to the players. So how do you break that ?
I read this interview last week with the Swiss football coach. It is badly translated but the gist of it is there. He is the ex manager of Bayern
so he knows his stuff and he has a lot of bitching from the Swiss press and the fans on - guess what- anonymous internet forums and in the interview he gets a few digs from the journalist but he has some very interesting points about expectations and the nature of sport.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nzz.ch%2Fnachrichten%2Fsport%2Faktuell%2Fich_bin_hart_im_nehmen_1.10736208.html
There was criticism of the coach Hitzfeld. Does it get to you ?
When journalists criticize, you have to live with it. Those are often journalists who are not even close to it, they can not know what exactly to write on the result and after their mood.
Criticism of you is usually expressed anonymously. Do you get worked up about it ?
No. If the results are missing, the coach end up in the criticism.Often the style of the journalists is that they will have heard from the environment. Anyone can write that. All you have to do is go on to the websites and pick a quote and then write about the mood of the people. The alibis are from people who do not have the courage to stand by their own opinion.
The team has to be built up again
We are in the midst of change. Even after the World Cup we lost Spycher, Magnin, Huggel and Nkufo. From now on we will also be missing Streller and Frei. Switzerland can not draw on an endless reserve of players it does not have tens of top performers. We need patience, but the break is also a chance for younger players like Benaglio, Senderos, Inler, Djourou, Ziegler and Lichtsteiner, to take on more responsibility and to fight in the team
Do you see it the same way as a club coach would in terms of a major upheaval?
As a club coach I can always buy something in the market but as the national coach all I have is what is in the country.
This is for me a great challenge. I am happy with this job which is exciting . I extended the contract through 2014 with a view to developing a team. It is a rocky path that does not get easier. Now the hopes are for example Derdiyok. He is 22 years old. He could still play in the under-21 selection. This must not be forgotten.
Is it after so many years of coach difficult to change your own approach f?
Why should I change ?
Because you have to adapt to new situations and young players.
This is the permanent job of the coach. One must also always question. In football, the development is constant , teams are always being built, cornerstones fall away, the youth pushes through . This is a permanent process.
Again, for the last match in Sofia. We watched the first half hour and thought: Something is wrong.
I was shocked, yes. Bulgaria was good, and some players we were hiding and did not want the ball.
Did you at that time think you had to change the team urgently?
This has to nothing to do with the atmosphere in the team It was about the huge expectations. Even the opposition was very underestimated in some quarters. You have to have respect for the opposition But our performance, especially in the initial phase was lost, we were nervous.
What do you expect in the next match
We must be brave and play all or nothing, because we have nothing to lose. England remains the favorite. This is also a challenging task.
You want to take risks.
This must be one. Otherwise there is not one in England. We need to find a good mix. The defenders have to turn to the front. The dangerous winger of the English will also try to run after our defenders.
Is that the conclusion of an old cycle - or the beginning of a new cycle?
Players must find the new system. It is a kind of new beginning. And an opportunity.
Can things get better ?
This will be shown in the results. Others can now emerge from the shadow of Alex Frei and reposition themselves . Frei, we can't find the perfect replacement for him. This can only be done through teamwork. I am looking forward to discussing the renewal with the team. The other thing is they need time too.
Horan is failing miserably. 7 free takers is a complete joke.his credibility is shot to bits. Just think about it, 7 f@*king free takers, you'd be doing well to find 5 penalty takers for a penalty shootout yet he has half the team takin place kicks. That in it self would demoralise a team..( the players must have been deciding themselves to take the fees, you couldn't possibly come up with a plan like that in the team room...absolutely no leadership from management) He can't even sort out the basics, any optimism for the year ahead is truely misplaced, avoiding humiliation outside of the wider public eye is about all we can hope for!!
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 11:02:09 PM
I think the thing about Mayo is that the negativity levels get very high after one bad performance and there are a bad feedback loops
and it must get to the players. So how do you break that ?
That's bang on the button. I'd like to think that a big majority have more sense than that but a considerable number can swing from elation to depression and back again without a bother. The problem is that those who do tend to be more vociferous than the sensible, restrained majority and players are affected by the negativity- make no mistake about that. They are probably put off also by expectation of an All Ireland whenever they manage to win a first round game.
Sometime ago, a good friend on this board got a very nasty shock.
He had posted a throwaway comment about one of his own county players on another forum. He probably thought no more about it until he heard that the player in question had been very upset when he was told about the comment. The poor lad damn near had a nervous breakdown and, to make matters worse, he had third level exams coming up.
I don't know how many Mayo players read the Mayo threads on this board but it's quite probable that a good few do; they are quite likely to head for Hoganstand and the likes as well. They will also hunt through every local and national newspaper to find out what has been published about their team and especially about their own performances. You can add neighbours, families and work or college colleagues to the mix as well. Maybe the family dog joins in as well.
Right now, James Horan and every member of his team know they had a stinker last Sunday- they don't need to be reminded of this by anybody. I'm sure that every county has the same problem. However, Mayo has a higher number of supporters who waste no time in laying into the team after every ropey performance.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 04, 2011, 11:40:43 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 11:02:09 PM
I think the thing about Mayo is that the negativity levels get very high after one bad performance and there are a bad feedback loops
and it must get to the players. So how do you break that ?
That's bang on the button. I'd like to think that a big majority have more sense than that but a considerable number can swing from elation to depression and back again without a bother. The problem is that those who do tend to be more vociferous than the sensible, restrained majority and players are affected by the negativity- make no mistake about that. They are probably put off also by expectation of an All Ireland whenever they manage to win a first round game.
Sometime ago, a good friend on this board got a very nasty shock.
He had posted a throwaway comment about one of his own county players on another forum. He probably thought no more about it until he heard that the player in question had been very upset when he was told about the comment. The poor lad damn near had a nervous breakdown and, to make matters worse, he had third level exams coming up.
I don't know how many Mayo players read the Mayo threads on this board but it's quite probable that a good few do; they are quite likely to head for Hoganstand and the likes as well. They will also hunt through every local and national newspaper to find out what has been published about their team and especially about their own performances. You can add neighbours, families and work or college colleagues to the mix as well. Maybe the family dog joins in as well.
Right now, James Horan and every member of his team know they had a stinker last Sunday- they don't need to be reminded of this by anybody. I'm sure that every county has the same problem. However, Mayo has a higher number of supporters who waste no time in laying into the team after every ropey performance.
I don't think it's ever fair to have a go at amateur players. But people feel strongly about these things and might not be sufficiently articulate or skilled as writers to sugar the pill and it then comes across badly, as happened to Lar's friend.
But if any county player is reading this now, can I make a suggestion? If you get upset over what people write on internet message boards then I really do think you need to find another pastime. There is nothing more important to people than Gaelic games, and that brings its own pressures on the practitioners of Gaelic football. That will never change.
If you find that pressure distressing to the point of it adversely affecting your life, please step away for your own good. There are lots of lads who can take it, or who find a puck in the mouth from some hard chaw a more worrisome prospect that empty vessels like myself on here, spouting. But that's all it is - spouting, and letting off steam and having the crack. This board is pubtalk without the beer.
If you can't deal with that then you're really going to have find a way to deal with that because it's never going away. Some people might think about the number of homeless people who'll sleep rough tonight and consider that being slagged on a message board small potatoes compared with that. Each to their own.
Best of luck on Sunday, inter county man. Whoever you are.
All feedback negative or positive is good IMO however the high fives,back slaps can sometimes lull fans/players into a false sense of security,negativity can work in your favour as the players have the opportunity to prove the doubters wrong.
Switzerland just scored 2 goals against Engerland in Wembley to draw 2-2 and the
analysts are all talking about pride and having something to build on .
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Quote from: seafoid on June 03, 2011, 03:30:58 PM
Muppet
The subject is obviously an emotional minefield but that makes it even more interesting .
do you post on the galway threads at all :D , i never seen a galway man so concerned about mayo football well maybe one other pstg, are ye related ;)
Seafoid secretly likes us but will never admit as much. He's a bit like a lad in school who secretly fancies a plain looking young wan in his class but is scared his mates will take the piss so has to be seen to be outwardly dismissive to her. He'll open up eventually and will shore up in the Big Tree with a Mayo jersey the day of an AIF when the deceit gets too much for him...
Actually, Muscles, I am verra fond of Mayo . Another all-Ireland wouldn't make much difference to Galway.
I thought the fourth Monday in September in 1998 would be different but it wasn't. It was wonderful to
read the match reports but it was just like the return to the mean for the football people. Like they knew
it would happen eventually.
I think an all-Ireland would bring tremendous energy to Mayo people all over the world. It would be more like the hurling in 1980. Beidh daoine ag caoineadh lathair in Londain, i Nua Eabhrach.
So why can't ye get the finger out ? I mean if Crossmolina are good enough to beat the best in Ireland
and even Ballina can do it why not the county ?
Actually I think I know the answer. There is far too much negativity hanging over the footballers. Too many people too ready to say 'they are no use " when they have a bad match. "They will never win anything". Do they say that in Kerry ? Or Kilkenny ?
Some team has to win the f*cking thing. I would like it to be Mayo once. Or even for a three in a row.
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
Actually, Muscles, I am verra fond of Mayo . Another all-Ireland wouldn't make much difference to Galway.
I thought the fourth Monday in September in 1998 would be different but it wasn't. It was wonderful to
read the match reports but it was just like the return to the mean for the football people. Like they knew
it would happen eventually.
I think an all-Ireland would bring tremendous energy to Mayo people all over the world. It would be more like the hurling in 1980. Beidh daoine ag caoineadh lathair in Londain, i Nua Eabhrach.
So why can't ye get the finger out ? I mean if Crossmolina are good enough to beat the best in Ireland
and even Ballina can do it why not the county ?
Actually I think I know the answer. There is far too much negativity hanging over the footballers. Too many people too ready to say 'they are no use " when they have a bad match. "They will never win anything". Do they say that in Kerry ? Or Kilkenny ?
Some team has to win the f*cking thing. I would like it to be Mayo once. Or even for a three in a row.
But seafoid, I think the time has passed, I mean our county final was ridiculously poor, yes people will come on and slate me for saying that, because of the tragic events and Mayo club football is at a low in the 16 years I've followed it anyway. But I agree, It would be like Galway hurlers in 1980. And if we ever do win Sam maybe we might develop a habit.
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2011, 08:27:08 PM
Actually, Muscles, I am verra fond of Mayo . Another all-Ireland wouldn't make much difference to Galway.
I thought the fourth Monday in September in 1998 would be different but it wasn't. It was wonderful to
read the match reports but it was just like the return to the mean for the football people. Like they knew
it would happen eventually.
I think an all-Ireland would bring tremendous energy to Mayo people all over the world. It would be more like the hurling in 1980. Beidh daoine ag caoineadh lathair in Londain, i Nua Eabhrach.
I think your trying to cover the fact that Galway followers don't have the same passion as some of their neighbours in Connacht.
Quote from: venter on June 04, 2011, 11:35:56 AM
Horan is failing miserably. 7 free takers is a complete joke.his credibility is shot to bits. Just think about it, 7 f@*king free takers, you'd be doing well to find 5 penalty takers for a penalty shootout yet he has half the team takin place kicks. That in it self would demoralise a team..( the players must have been deciding themselves to take the fees, you couldn't possibly come up with a plan like that in the team room...absolutely no leadership from management) He can't even sort out the basics, any optimism for the year ahead is truely misplaced, avoiding humiliation outside of the wider public eye is about all we can hope for!!
I think thats a little unfair and perhaps too easy a stick.
The way the London game went Dillon and Campbell were the frees. Dillon from the left and Campbell on the right.
Dillon got taken off so Andy Moran took over from the left.
Campbell got taken off so Cillian O connor took over from the right.
Andy lost confidence after missing two more easier frees in front of the posts and I think he left one to Aidan O Shea.
In summary its not as disorganised as people are making out
Shhh! Nobody is allowed to criticise Horan, well we are, but hope Abbeysider doesn't find it! ;D
In fairness we ve had a problem nailing frees and 45s for years now. Easy enough to identify a problem, solving it is an entirely different matter. Campbell had a good league kicking them from the right, but did not have a good day in London. Dillon has been decent for years but his range is limited enough and Andy just looks like he s forcing it. Horan was criticised for using the keeper for the 45 but if Hennelly is the keeper he should be used for all 45s because nobody else has the range apart from maybe Richie Feeney.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Shhh! Nobody is allowed to criticise Horan, well we are, but hope Abbeysider doesn't find it! ;D
yes but as long as you ignore the personal abuse the conversation can continue.
as regards the criticism any criticism of the london game is fair it was an bar the result it was an unmitigated disaster as were last years league final and longford and Sligo games excepth they didnt have the saving grace of winning . but the annoying thing is the critics were saying the same thing after mayo's fantastic runs in 1996 1997 2004 and 2006 a clear case of not knowing a bicycle crash from a war . the sad thing is i believe if horan get his head clear and oick the best 15 players and tactics Mayo are as good a team as is out there . With the 2 trevors back the osés playing Mc garrity k higgins Returning, a recall for parsons and Ronaldson Horan has a chance to save his Managerial career from being a one year Trivia Question ala Brian McDonald
In fairness to Horan, this was his first intercounty championship game as a manager so he deserves a bit of leeway. McGeaney was beaten by Wicklow in first game as Kildare manager yet he has turned things around since then. It all depends on how much Horan has learned and is willing to learn - if he does then the London game will be long forgotten about. I for one would be happy to give him another 2/3 years presuming he shows that he's improving even a little.
Any word yet on the starting 15 or how training is going for the Galway game?
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 06, 2011, 07:55:19 PM
Quote from: venter on June 04, 2011, 11:35:56 AM
Horan is failing miserably. 7 free takers is a complete joke.his credibility is shot to bits. Just think about it, 7 f@*king free takers, you'd be doing well to find 5 penalty takers for a penalty shootout yet he has half the team takin place kicks. That in it self would demoralise a team..( the players must have been deciding themselves to take the fees, you couldn't possibly come up with a plan like that in the team room...absolutely no leadership from management) He can't even sort out the basics, any optimism for the year ahead is truely misplaced, avoiding humiliation outside of the wider public eye is about all we can hope for!!
I think thats a little unfair and perhaps too easy a stick.
The way the London game went Dillon and Campbell were the frees. Dillon from the left and Campbell on the right.
Dillon got taken off so Andy Moran took over from the left.
Campbell got taken off so Cillian O connor took over from the right.
Andy lost confidence after missing two more easier frees in front of the posts and I think he left one to Aidan O Shea.
In summary its not as disorganised as people are making out
Did Alan Freeman and Jason Doherty not also have a go at a free
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Shhh! Nobody is allowed to criticise Horan, well we are, but hope Abbeysider doesn't find it! ;D
Ah I dont defend him that much, but thats how the free's worked out when Dillon and Campbell were taken off and Andy subsequently left one to Aidan O Shea!
I dont think im biased, as I was critical of Howley's role, among other things but I think Horan and co would have learned from that.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 07, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Shhh! Nobody is allowed to criticise Horan, well we are, but hope Abbeysider doesn't find it! ;D
Ah I dont defend him that much, but thats how the free's worked out when Dillon and Campbell were taken off and Andy subsequently left one to Aidan O Shea!
I dont think im biased, as I was critical of Howley's role, among other things but I think Horan and co would have learned from that.
:D :D :D you must be joking Abbeysider . i'm scared to post anything neagtive at all ;)
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Quote from: AbbeySider on June 07, 2011, 09:18:21 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 06, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Shhh! Nobody is allowed to criticise Horan, well we are, but hope Abbeysider doesn't find it! ;D
Ah I dont defend him that much, but thats how the free's worked out when Dillon and Campbell were taken off and Andy subsequently left one to Aidan O Shea!
I dont think im biased, as I was critical of Howley's role, among other things but I think Horan and co would have learned from that.
:D :D :D you must be joking Abbeysider . i'm scared to post anything neagtive at all ;)
Ok, ill keep my balanced and positive opinions away from the Mayo topics for now !
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend. See Mayo lost to Donegal by 2 points on Thursday last. I would expect both teams will have games against Cork and/or Kerry in the run up to the 26th - that might give an indication of where each team are at. Meath will also be available now for challenges.
That goalie has a fair kick on him. Let him take the frees?
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2011, 08:21:23 AM
In fairness to Horan, this was his first intercounty championship game as a manager so he deserves a bit of leeway. McGeaney was beaten by Wicklow in first game as Kildare manager yet he has turned things around since then. It all depends on how much Horan has learned and is willing to learn - if he does then the London game will be long forgotten about. I for one would be happy to give him another 2/3 years presuming he shows that he's improving even a little.Any word yet on the starting 15 or how training is going for the Galway game?
Mayo have to have some sort of a medium term plan. This ochon is ochon o approach doesn't do anyone any good because the county stays in the same rut it was in the year before.
Quote from: seafoid on June 07, 2011, 10:40:38 AM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 07, 2011, 08:21:23 AM
In fairness to Horan, this was his first intercounty championship game as a manager so he deserves a bit of leeway. McGeaney was beaten by Wicklow in first game as Kildare manager yet he has turned things around since then. It all depends on how much Horan has learned and is willing to learn - if he does then the London game will be long forgotten about. I for one would be happy to give him another 2/3 years presuming he shows that he's improving even a little.Any word yet on the starting 15 or how training is going for the Galway game?
Mayo have to have some sort of a medium term plan. This ochon is ochon o approach doesn't do anyone any good because the county stays in the same rut it was in the year before.
True, we need a medium term plan but crucifying managers year in year in doesn't constitute a plan......
Unfortunately, I think we'll be waiting quite a while for such a plan.
i see that mark ronaldson is back in the panel
Quotei see that mark ronaldson is back in the panel
The panel must be still open all the time anyhow. Good to see that.
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Quotei see that mark ronaldson is back in the panel
The panel must be still open all the time anyhow. Good to see that.
You thinking of a comeback?
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i see that mark ronaldson is back in the panel
The panel must be still open all the time anyhow. Good to see that.
You thinking of a comeback?
I'll get my radiation suit ready...
Cathal Freeman is also back it seems.
More comebacks than Frank Sinatra.
One more comeback & Mayo will be set for Galway
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Hey Rosnarun, Micky Moran was a one year walk on as well. He got the walking papers after taking the team to a league semi final. a Connacht title, a good win v Dublin and to the All Ireland final. Heady days back then. Look at us now, shipping two goals per game.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 09, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
Hey Rosnarun, Micky Moran was a one year walk on as well. He got the walking papers after taking the team to a league semi final. a Connacht title, a good win v Dublin and to the All Ireland final. Heady days back then. Look at us now, shipping two goals per game.
Moran was treated badly after a good year he should have been given more time instead he had to jump ship before he was pushed. wouldn't it be ironic if he returned to haunt Mayo in this year's Connacht final.
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Hey Rosnarun, Micky Moran was a one year walk on as well. He got the walking papers after taking the team to a league semi final. a Connacht title, a good win v Dublin and to the All Ireland final. Heady days back then. Look at us now, shipping two goals per game.
Moran was treated badly after a good year he should have been given more time instead he had to jump ship before he was pushed. wouldn't it be ironic if he returned to haunt Mayo in this year's Connacht final.
And if that is to be the case, I certainly wouldn't begrudge him it.
Can anyone confirm that it's been changed to the saturday evening instead of the sunday?
Quote from: ballinaman on June 10, 2011, 07:10:05 PM
Can anyone confirm that it's been changed to the saturday evening instead of the sunday?
Where did you hear about a change? it's still on the connacht gaa website for Sun 2pm.
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Quote from: ballinaman on June 10, 2011, 07:10:05 PM
Can anyone confirm that it's been changed to the saturday evening instead of the sunday?
Where did you hear about a change? it's still on the connacht gaa website for Sun 2pm.
From a lad who is usually on the ball with things like that. Hope it's still down for the sunday. Harte will play some part for Ballina against Shrule tomorrow, did well when he came on against Claremorris in the league. McGarrity is going to struggle to play this summer, achilles is shot.
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Can anyone confirm that it's been changed to the saturday evening instead of the sunday?
Where did you hear about a change? it's still on the connacht gaa website for Sun 2pm.
From a lad who is usually on the ball with things like that. Hope it's still down for the sunday. Harte will play some part for Ballina against Shrule tomorrow, did well when he came on against Claremorris in the league. McGarrity is going to struggle to play this summer, achilles is shot.
Bad, bad news about McGarrity if that's the case.
Didn't hear anything about it being changed to Sat - it's on TV as well, so surely they can't just change the day - would throw their schedules off.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
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Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
For feck sake that lad must have the gammiest hamstrings ever created! Any info on the game GBB?
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 12, 2011, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Galway must be going well to beat Cork, even if it was just a challenge.
There was a full round of club championship games in Mayo so doubt very much there was any challenge match.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 12, 2011, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
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Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 12, 2011, 09:20:34 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
He is but I don't think they expect him to be ready to start the game anyway. He's been out for a good while now.
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Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
He is but I don't think they expect him to be ready to start the game anyway. He's been out for a good while now.
So he should at least be on the bench in Castlebar so.
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Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
He is but I don't think they expect him to be ready to start the game anyway. He's been out for a good while now.
So he should at least be on the bench in Castlebar so.
He'll score 2-10 and set Armstrong up for another 2-10.
Quote from: ballinaman on June 10, 2011, 07:10:05 PM
Can anyone confirm that it's been changed to the saturday evening instead of the sunday?
If they did that it would then clash with the round of qualifier matches
Meehan still hasn't played for his club this year so there's no way he'll be ready for castlebar.Armstrong is a huge loss.we would be a different proposition altogether with those 2 boys inside.
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Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
He is but I don't think they expect him to be ready to start the game anyway. He's been out for a good while now.
So he should at least be on the bench in Castlebar so.
He'll score 2-10 and set Armstrong up for another 2-10.
We are expecting 5-21 from Mayo with each of the freetakers chipping in 1-4
and the ref awarding a dud point.
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Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
He is but I don't think they expect him to be ready to start the game anyway. He's been out for a good while now.
So he should at least be on the bench in Castlebar so.
He'll score 2-10 and set Armstrong up for another 2-10.
We are expecting 5-21 from Mayo with each of the freetakers chipping in 1-4
and the ref awarding a dud point.
7 freetakers multiplied by 1-4 = 7-28 and Peadar Gardiner to score the winner 15 mins into added time
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 09, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
Hey Rosnarun, Micky Moran was a one year walk on as well. He got the walking papers after taking the team to a league semi final. a Connacht title, a good win v Dublin and to the All Ireland final. Heady days back then. Look at us now, shipping two goals per game.
if you care to delve into the archives you'll see that i was very much against that sacking as i then and now believe it was made for political reasons and not even GAA ones at that. and mayo still have not fully recovered from that piece of sleeveenism.
Horan may well have a medium or long term plan but have mayo people the appetite for Regular losses against the sligo longford and londons of this world i dont really think they do.
But as long as Horan is willing to learn and accept his mistake he has a chance . I feel much better about him since he brought Ronaldson back if he can sort himself out now on our backline . we could be going some where good.
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Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 07, 2011, 10:33:29 AM
Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
He is but I don't think they expect him to be ready to start the game anyway. He's been out for a good while now.
So he should at least be on the bench in Castlebar so.
He'll score 2-10 and set Armstrong up for another 2-10.
We are expecting 5-21 from Mayo with each of the freetakers chipping in 1-4
and the ref awarding a dud point.
7 freetakers multiplied by 1-4 = 7-28 and Peadar Gardiner to score the winner 15 mins into added time
How come the other 7 outfield players don't take frees?
I thought there were just 5 of them.
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Did Mayo or Galaway play any challenge games over weekend.
Galway beat Cork by a point in Ennis. Armstrong banjaxed his hamstring yet again apparently. Good chance neither himself or Meehan will be fit to tog out against Mayo.
Is Meehan back in training yet?
He is but I don't think they expect him to be ready to start the game anyway. He's been out for a good while now.
So he should at least be on the bench in Castlebar so.
He'll score 2-10 and set Armstrong up for another 2-10.
We are expecting 5-21 from Mayo with each of the freetakers chipping in 1-4
and the ref awarding a dud point.
7 freetakers multiplied by 1-4 = 7-28 and Peadar Gardiner to score the winner 15 mins into added time
How come the other 7 outfield players don't take frees?
I thought there were just 5 of them.
7 freetakers vs Londain. Keeper also hit a 45 ? Aim is to have 15 freetakers starting. Sure Mayo and Galway will have our own little all Ireland in Castlebar as the Tossies have Connacht sewn up.
7 freetakers vs Londain. Keeper also hit a 45 ? Aim is to have 15 freetakers starting. Sure Mayo and Galway will have our own little all Ireland in Castlebar as the Tossies have Connacht sewn up.[/quote]
It would be a laugh if whichever of the very unwell teams that wins the Mayo Galway match went to Fortress Hyde and beat the Rossies by 15 points and the match was already over after 20 minutes
Seafoid , you can bet your life on it that that's what will happen.
Sure we have a cheek even thinking of turning up to dare challenge one of the BIG2
Everyone knows the real Connacht Final is the Galway/Mayowestrossouthsligoinishbofin game ::)
Armstrong out. The hammer.
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Seafoid , you can bet your life on it that that's what will happen.
Sure we have a cheek even thinking of turning up to dare challenge one of the BIG2
Everyone knows the real Connacht Final is the Galway/Mayowestrossouthsligoinishbofin game ::)
rossfan
You HAVE to be winning Connacht titles when the big 2
who own the championship are so shite. Especially Galway.
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Armstrong out. The hammer.
What else? I'd wonder would he contemplate jacking it in altogether? His hamstrings seem to go 2 or 3 times a year. Must be awful frustrating for him.
QuoteIt is very disappointing to have the hamstring go on me again," he said.
"Mentally it is very tough to deal with - I just seem to be having a bad year with it. I have even been doing yoga two or three times a week to strengthen them as well as extra core work.
"I was on the verge of rejoining the lads in training in the next few days, but I pushed myself a bit hard during rehab on Sunday. I was mad keen to get back in contention for the Mayo game, but in one of those final sprints, I felt it go.
"Hopefully the boys can do the business against Mayo so I will have some chance of targeting a Connacht final as a comeback.
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Seafoid , you can bet your life on it that that's what will happen.
Sure we have a cheek even thinking of turning up to dare challenge one of the BIG2
Everyone knows the real Connacht Final is the Galway/Mayowestrossouthsligoinishbofin game ::)
rossfan
You HAVE to be winning Connacht titles when the big 2
who own the championship are so shite. Especially Galway.
Maybe so ... but we have a lot of lads with no experience of playing at anything remotely approaching top level Senior Inter County.
I have a fear they could get a rude awakening on 17th July. :-\
No, Rossfan. roscommon have a great manager and fellas who won an all-Ireland at minor level.
It is bad enough having Mayo with the béal bocht. I'm afraid we can't accept it from Ros as well.
The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
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The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
Good to see you around Sligonian. You can provide the commentary from an unbiased, independent viewpoint for remainder of Connacht championship. :)
Galway won 2 U21s and a minor in the last five years while Mayowestros ........ah never mind.
Paddypower has us and Mayo at 6/4 and ye lads at 9/4.
If I wasn't from Ros and was a betting man I'd be lumpin it on Galway now as they'll be about 4/7 for the final.
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7 freetakers vs Londain. Keeper also hit a 45 ? Aim is to have 15 freetakers starting. Sure Mayo and Galway will have our own little all Ireland in Castlebar as the Tossies have Connacht sewn up.
It would be a laugh if whichever of the very unwell teams that wins the Mayo Galway match went to Fortress Hyde and beat the Rossies by 15 points and the match was already over after 20 minutes
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No it would be a bigger laugh if Galway were to lose a Hyde park Connacht final to a massive underdog for the 2nd time in a row.
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7 freetakers vs Londain. Keeper also hit a 45 ? Aim is to have 15 freetakers starting. Sure Mayo and Galway will have our own little all Ireland in Castlebar as the Tossies have Connacht sewn up.
It would be a laugh if whichever of the very unwell teams that wins the Mayo Galway match went to Fortress Hyde and beat the Rossies by 15 points and the match was already over after 20 minutes
No it would be a bigger laugh if Galway were to lose a Hyde park Connacht final to a massive underdog for the 2nd time in a row.
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That's more like it. Apart from the massive underdog. Ros will be raging hot favourites for the Connacht final. Never mind beating Galway or Mayo GHU - will they ever be good enough to get past the quarter finals ?
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The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
Sligonian i don't think any rossie will have your confidence from last year (not even Beard) its "one thing thinking your going to win but it's another knowing your going to win".
Seriously we were playing in Div 4 for a reason & i could go on about our results v Galway/Mayo the last 10 years but as rosfan said.....ah never mind.
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Armstrong out. The hammer.
What else? I'd wonder would he contemplate jacking it in altogether? His hamstrings seem to go 2 or 3 times a year. Must be awful frustrating for him.
QuoteIt is very disappointing to have the hamstring go on me again," he said.
"Mentally it is very tough to deal with - I just seem to be having a bad year with it. I have even been doing yoga two or three times a week to strengthen them as well as extra core work.
"I was on the verge of rejoining the lads in training in the next few days, but I pushed myself a bit hard during rehab on Sunday. I was mad keen to get back in contention for the Mayo game, but in one of those final sprints, I felt it go.
"Hopefully the boys can do the business against Mayo so I will have some chance of targeting a Connacht final as a comeback.
Never seen it happen so many times as it has to this player. Especially as he is relatively young and always seems in impeccable physical condition. Unless he is always rushing his recovery or something...
Its a big plus for Mayo. Armstrong can kick scores and win his own ball. Big loss to Galway.
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7 freetakers vs Londain. Keeper also hit a 45 ? Aim is to have 15 freetakers starting. Sure Mayo and Galway will have our own little all Ireland in Castlebar as the Tossies have Connacht sewn up.
It would be a laugh if whichever of the very unwell teams that wins the Mayo Galway match went to Fortress Hyde and beat the Rossies by 15 points and the match was already over after 20 minutes
No it would be a bigger laugh if Galway were to lose a Hyde park Connacht final to a massive underdog for the 2nd time in a row.
That's more like it. Apart from the massive underdog. Ros will be raging hot favourites for the Connacht final. Never mind beating Galway or Mayo GHU - will they ever be good enough to get past the quarter finals ?
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Raging hot favourites :D where work in progress so our target in the next 2/3 years would be winning another Connacht title & winning a game in Croke park so to answer your question..hopefully!
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The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
Sligonian i don't think any rossie will have your confidence from last year (not even Beard) its "one thing thinking your going to win but it's another knowing your going to win".
Seriously we were playing in Div 4 for a reason & i could go on about our results v Galway/Mayo the last 10 years but as rosfan said.....ah never mind.
Totally different roscommon team lad, watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them, there size and physicality means they dont even need good ball. Yere defence isnt yer strength but there still solid enough imo, ye'll probably win midifield in the final and thatll do the job for ye.
Ya i know i got carried away last yr like 55,000 others, wont be happening again but it doesnt diguise the fact yer are massively underplaying yer chances on purpose.
Obviously though "it one thing thinking you can win.... it another thing knowing you can".
We're just not at your level of confidence yet. And how well it served you in fairness......
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The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
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7 freetakers vs Londain. Keeper also hit a 45 ? Aim is to have 15 freetakers starting. Sure Mayo and Galway will have our own little all Ireland in Castlebar as the Tossies have Connacht sewn up.
It would be a laugh if whichever of the very unwell teams that wins the Mayo Galway match went to Fortress Hyde and beat the Rossies by 15 points and the match was already over after 20 minutes
No it would be a bigger laugh if Galway were to lose a Hyde park Connacht final to a massive underdog for the 2nd time in a row.
That's more like it. Apart from the massive underdog. Ros will be raging hot favourites for the Connacht final. Never mind beating Galway or Mayo GHU - will they ever be good enough to get past the quarter finals ?
Raging hot favourites :D where work in progress so our target in the next 2/3 years would be winning another Connacht title & winning a game in Croke park so to answer your question..hopefully!
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That sounds very positive. Do you think this team could eventually match the one from the late 70s ?
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The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
Sligonian i don't think any rossie will have your confidence from last year (not even Beard) its "one thing thinking your going to win but it's another knowing your going to win".
Seriously we were playing in Div 4 for a reason & i could go on about our results v Galway/Mayo the last 10 years but as rosfan said.....ah never mind.
Totally different roscommon team lad, watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them, there size and physicality means they dont even need good ball. Yere defence isnt yer strength but there still solid enough imo, ye'll probably win midifield in the final and thatll do the job for ye.
Ya i know i got carried away last yr like 55,000 others, wont be happening again but it doesnt diguise the fact yer are massively underplaying yer chances on purpose.
Not underplaying our chances I'm just a realist.
Team isn't that different for example the last time we played Galway Shine,Kilbride,Mannion,Cregg,Devaney etc all played & they beat us by 16pts. the one difference is how this team has matured & as fergal said the main aim for the Connacht final is to be competitive.
Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 14, 2011, 01:52:11 PM
The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
I don't believe they are downplaying their chances on purpose. The Rossies themselves know that there is a big difference in beating Leitrim and beating Galway or Mayo in a Connacht final especially after one of them will be c**k-a-hoop full of confidence after beating the other in the semis.
I'm sure they rightly feel that they have a good chance to win Connacht if they perform up to their capabilities in the final but they will probably have to in order to carry the day.
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Quote from: SLIGONIAN on June 14, 2011, 01:52:11 PM
The Roscommon facade of we are poor relations in Connacht is total BS, rossfan we all know your full sure ye'll win, theres no need for this rubbish of playing down yere chances, once again yer fooling no one. Wheres Beard for a bit of honesty? A few of ye could follow his lead. Roscommon are the best team in connacht in most peoples eyes and i know ye rossies know this but for some reason ye havent the balls to admit it in public and are in engaging in embarrasing and condescending tripe such as the big2, total myth nowadays.
I don't believe they are downplaying their chances on purpose. The Rossies themselves know that there is a big difference in beating Leitrim and beating Galway or Mayo in a Connacht final especially after one of them will be c**k-a-hoop full of confidence after beating the other in the semis.
I'm sure they rightly feel that they have a good chance to win Connacht if they perform up to their capabilities in the final but they will probably have to in order to carry the day.
Never a truer word spoken!
Stand Tickets are €30.00 and seated tickets for the sideline and behind the goals are €25.00 how many are expected to be at this?
Odds Mayo 4/5 draw 7/1 Galway 11/8 i understand Mayo have beaten Galway in the last 5 games.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
On the face of it, the Rossies should be favorites as they probably have the better players, definitely the more settled team and are reigning champions.
The only reason they're not is because they haven't beaten a good team performing to their potential yet. Sligo played poorly last year, Div 4 standard isn't great (London excepted of course ;P)), beaten by Longford in Div 4 final and now beating an underperforming Leitrim side.
If they're underdogs in the final, they'll be good value.
Ros would hammer the pick of Mayo and Galway.
now that I think of it, even if they win the Connacht title they may not have to beat a good team!!
The Mayo posters seem to be much more stable this week.
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The Mayo posters seem to be much more stable this week.
The planet Greece moving into the default constellation is helping me see what is really important this month: finding two defenders a midfielder and two forwards, then ten reliable teammates to go with them.
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The Mayo posters seem to be much more stable this week.
The planet Greece moving into the default constellation is helping me see what is really important this month: finding two defenders a midfielder and two forwards, then ten reliable teammates to go with them.
Two defenders Higgins,Trevor Mortimer, midfieder McGarrity & two forwards Ronaldson,Cillian O'Connor or possibly the return of Moonwalker? so your sorted..worries over MWWSI 2011.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
Sligonian stop agreeing and +1ing me! Its startin to freak me out!
Reverse pychology?
Any rumours on how the team will line out??
At this stage, I'd probably go with something like this:
Hennelly
Geraghty Feeney Higgins
Feeney Cafferkey Vaughan/T Mort
A O'Se Kilcullen
Dillon Moran McLoughlin/Campbell
Doherty Freeman Howley
It's probably too defensive and too light in terms of scorers (and also without a freetaker) but I would persist with the sweeper system having Howley and McLoughlin interchanging in that role - this would also allow AOS to get forward a little more as well. Both Howley & McL like getting forward a bit too. This would also provide some cover in front of Caff and keep us solid at the back.
The other likely option would be Ronaldo in place of Campbell/McL. Varley / O'Connor are probably not suited to the half forward line bit would be be first on in the FF
Is there any chance C Freeman will start?
I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Is McG back? Or still injured? Don't think he played against Shrule on Sunday.
Wouldn't have peader starting, impact sub at best.
Clarke / Hennelly will be 50/50
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Is McG back? Or still injured? Don't think he played against Shrule on Sunday.
Wouldn't have peader starting, impact sub at best.
Clarke / Hennelly will be 50/50
According to The Mayo News, McG due to resume training this evening, even though he didn't line out for the Stephenites at the weekend. I can't see him starting - I'd say it will be AOS and Kilcullen. McG/SOS/Gibbons in reserve so we have backup.
Higgins lined out for Ballyhaunis so should be back for 26th - will surely start in one of the corners.
Cafferkey is still out though and is looking doubtful for Galway match. Suppose Vaughan will continue at CHB...
Geraghty and Howley went off injured in their games, but didn't say how serious.
Sh*te, didn't hear that about Geraghty & Howley.
Is SOS close to being back??
Would T Mort be an option at CHB? You might need to anchor him there though so he doesn't fire away off upfield!
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The Mayo posters seem to be much more stable this week.
The planet Greece moving into the default constellation is helping me see what is really important this month: finding two defenders a midfielder and two forwards, then ten reliable teammates to go with them.
I think if the Fed ends QE2 it should be good for Mayo especially with commodity prices firm in Ballyhaunis .
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
Sligonian stop agreeing and +1ing me! Its startin to freak me out!
Reverse pychology?
No, youve simply started to talk some sense ;)
Looks like us in Sligo have more confidence in Roscommon than the rossies do. Interesting that. I'll leave ye to it.
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
And this is considered a new start for Mayo, i.e clearing out dead wood.
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
E.g the guys that didn't start v London & would be considered first 15.
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
E.g the guys that didn't start v London & would be considered first 15.
Ros are the big boys in Connacht now.
Is it worth playing a semi-final at all?
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
E.g the guys that didn't start v London & would be considered first 15.
Ros are the big boys in Connacht now.
Is it worth playing a semi-final at all?
You'll have to ask a rossie however the 06 minor players are big boys now & of course it's worth playing sure ye Mayo lads will be thinking Croke park when you beat Galway.
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
E.g the guys that didn't start v London & would be considered first 15.
Ros are the big boys in Connacht now.
Is it worth playing a semi-final at all?
You'll have to ask a rossie however the 06 minor players are big boys now & of course it's worth playing sure ye Mayo lads will be thinking Croke park when you beat Galway.
We'll be thinking Parke.
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
E.g the guys that didn't start v London & would be considered first 15.
Ros are the big boys in Connacht now.
Is it worth playing a semi-final at all?
You'll have to ask a rossie however the 06 minor players are big boys now & of course it's worth playing sure ye Mayo lads will be thinking Croke park when you beat Galway.
More like the Croke Park Agreement
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Sh*te, didn't hear that about Geraghty & Howley.
Is SOS close to being back??
Would T Mort be an option at CHB? You might need to anchor him there though so he doesn't fire away off upfield!
SOS played a full match at the weekend so that s a bit of good news. Maybe the only good news. Howley is injured again and Geraghty went off v Ballina in Cross. Didn t see anything happen him - must be a pull or something.
I wouldn t give McGar any chance of making it. He was hardly running last week. Harte looks like he s held together with bandages but maybe he should be added to the panel anyway. This could be a short campaign if we misfire again can t afford to be waiting for a fella to be 100%.We re badly missing Harte s drive and thickness in the half forward line.
Not sure what the story on Cafferkey is. Anyway we look stretched. Would he go with the 2 O Sés in midfield I wonder?
I wouldn t expect too many changes from London. Maybe Clarke, Higgins, Trevor the O Sé 'twins' and McLoughlin. I can t see Ronaldson starting. A rookie club player unused to corner back did a job on depriving him ball the last day. He did get a few scores by peeling off and getting a few popped balls. I think he ll stick with 2 men inside that can win their own ball consistently.
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I'd say most of the big boys will be back
Clarke,Higgins,Gardiner,T Mortimer,A O'Se,McGarrity,McLoughlin & Ronaldson whom didn't start v London will start v Galway.
Big boys?
E.g the guys that didn't start v London & would be considered first 15.
Considered by whom? Don t mean to be short with you but after last few years we dont have a first 15 or anything like it. Maybe only Cavan were in as bad a state as regards a settled team and look what happened them.
Big boys? Gardiner hardly. Ronaldson never has been. McGar and Higgins inj for London. McGar unlikely to figure for a while and dropped last year anyway - was left on the bench for whole Longford game last year. Clarke a 50/50 choice anymore. Trev was just back in panel but should start v Galway. Strange that McL and AOS did not start against London but maybe JH deliberately held them back but needed them to get over the line - just. They ll start v Galway.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
Sligonian stop agreeing and +1ing me! Its startin to freak me out!
Reverse pychology?
No, youve simply started to talk some sense ;)
Looks like us in Sligo have more confidence in Roscommon than the rossies do. Interesting that. I'll leave ye to it.
This is the championship no team is good enough to win. I never saw such modesty. What a tragedy Sligo are out.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
Sligonian stop agreeing and +1ing me! Its startin to freak me out!
Reverse pychology?
No, youve simply started to talk some sense ;)
Looks like us in Sligo have more confidence in Roscommon than the rossies do. Interesting that. I'll leave ye to it.
This is the championship no team is good enough to win. I never saw such modesty. What a tragedy Sligo are out.
Not all of us are modest. I ve always liked a team that could win as favourites, a team that cannot win regularly when they are expected to are not a good team. I ve never believed in this underdog mentality and underdog football. In fact I hate it and it has not done us any good down the years. Even when we had good teams we tried to attach an underdog tag every game, no matter who we were playing. When Johnno got the job the first thing he did was deflate expectations. Football euthanasia!
I dont expect that many of my county men share my sentiments however. And it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win. They always do when they are half decent - and this team looks like they could be very decent indeed. When Ros had a great team they strutted like no other team in Connacht have done in my time - not even the Galways that won AI.
Anyway back to Mayo. I m not at all confident about this Summer. I ll put it this way. If we had the likes of Harte and McGar fit and management went with the selection and tactics I outlined earlier in the league campaign I would be c**k sure we would win Connacht. That is even after flatlining last year. Even if Galway had Army and Meehan. But their is too much uncertainty about us and fellas we needed to be fit wont be.
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it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win.
Mayo fans might also have the"blushing bride role" if they came from where we have been the last decade. Won't be many Roscommon fans expecting a win in the final but we will be expecting a more competitive edge & at the end of the day nothing wrong been a little cautious.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
Sligonian stop agreeing and +1ing me! Its startin to freak me out!
Reverse pychology?
No, youve simply started to talk some sense ;)
Looks like us in Sligo have more confidence in Roscommon than the rossies do. Interesting that. I'll leave ye to it.
This is the championship no team is good enough to win. I never saw such modesty. What a tragedy Sligo are out.
Not all of us are modest. I ve always liked a team that could win as favourites, a team that cannot win regularly when they are expected to are not a good team. I ve never believed in this underdog mentality and underdog football. In fact I hate it and it has not done us any good down the years. Even when we had good teams we tried to attach an underdog tag every game, no matter who we were playing. When Johnno got the job the first thing he did was deflate expectations. Football euthanasia!
I dont expect that many of my county men share my sentiments however. And it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win. They always do when they are half decent - and this team looks like they could be very decent indeed. When Ros had a great team they strutted like no other team in Connacht have done in my time - not even the Galways that won AI.
Anyway back to Mayo. I m not at all confident about this Summer. I ll put it this way. If we had the likes of Harte and McGar fit and management went with the selection and tactics I outlined earlier in the league campaign I would be c**k sure we would win Connacht. That is even after flatlining last year. Even if Galway had Army and Meehan. But their is too much uncertainty about us and fellas we needed to be fit wont be.
I agree with most of what you say Moysider. I really dont think (joking aside for a moment) the Rossie supporters are lacking belief in the team or playing down their chances. Most see it as a good side that can develop in to a great one. But O'Donnell's strength as a manager has been to dampen hype and mantain focus with longterm goals via incremental progress in mind. You cant blame Roscommon supporters for being cautious after all the bad days plus you have to accept its only a few weeks since they were hammered by Longford in Croker. Then there is the fact that despite last year's success its been a long time since they've troubled Mayo or Galway in senior championship football. They definitely can win the final but to expect or be sure of it would be false confidence I honestly think.
You're correct about the great team strutting but then again it was great team in fairness...
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it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win.
Mayo fans might also have the"blushing bride role" if they came from where we have been the last decade. Won't be many Roscommon fans expecting a win in the final but we will be expecting a more competitive edge & at the end of the day nothing wrong been a little cautious.
Nonsense. If I was confident about pissing on Galway and then Ros I would not be slow coming on here and saying so. There is a possibily that Mayo - even without likes of McGar and Harte could swarthe through the province - but it is a big leap of faith. It hasn t happened too often, even when we had better more settled sides.
I don t read too much into London, but it did happen. I m hopeful that we will be better prepared than in recent years and we might have more pace and power about us but a bad day can level that out. As regards the last ten years ye have won as many Connachts as we have - we ve had a desperate decade in championship and our qualifier record is embarrassing. Us Mayos are very much wait and see. Put a few of us together and there would be war picking a team. Few would agree with more than 10.
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
Sligonian stop agreeing and +1ing me! Its startin to freak me out!
Reverse pychology?
No, youve simply started to talk some sense ;)
Looks like us in Sligo have more confidence in Roscommon than the rossies do. Interesting that. I'll leave ye to it.
This is the championship no team is good enough to win. I never saw such modesty. What a tragedy Sligo are out.
Not all of us are modest. I ve always liked a team that could win as favourites, a team that cannot win regularly when they are expected to are not a good team. I ve never believed in this underdog mentality and underdog football. In fact I hate it and it has not done us any good down the years. Even when we had good teams we tried to attach an underdog tag every game, no matter who we were playing. When Johnno got the job the first thing he did was deflate expectations. Football euthanasia!
I dont expect that many of my county men share my sentiments however. And it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win. They always do when they are half decent - and this team looks like they could be very decent indeed. When Ros had a great team they strutted like no other team in Connacht have done in my time - not even the Galways that won AI.
Anyway back to Mayo. I m not at all confident about this Summer. I ll put it this way. If we had the likes of Harte and McGar fit and management went with the selection and tactics I outlined earlier in the league campaign I would be c**k sure we would win Connacht. That is even after flatlining last year. Even if Galway had Army and Meehan. But their is too much uncertainty about us and fellas we needed to be fit wont be.
I agree with most of what you say Moysider. I really dont think (joking aside for a moment) the Rossie supporters are lacking belief in the team or playing down their chances. Most see it as a good side that can develop in to a great one. But O'Donnell's strength as a manager has been to dampen hype and mantain focus with longterm goals via incremental progress in mind. You cant blame Roscommon supporters for being cautious after all the bad days plus you have to accept its only a few weeks since they were hammered by Longford in Croker. Then there is the fact that despite last year's success its been a long time since they've troubled Mayo or Galway in senior championship football. They definitely can win the final but to expect or be sure of it would be false confidence I honestly think.
You're correct about the great team strutting but then again it was great team in fairness...
A great team and I admired them more for their attitude.
As regards O Donnell I honestly dont know. Ros people rate him and that is important. But dampening hype I m not sure about. Hype was laid out as a reason Mayo lost big games in the past but that was a load of bullshit. A scapegoat to cover up bad preperation, bad selection and poor tactics. Football needs to be hyped and not dampened in the current climate. Anyway some of Mayo s best wins, as well as terrible beatings, happened during hype. I dont think hype has f**k all to do with it. As regards a long time - 2001 is recent vintage for me. That ending fucks me up more that losing any AI ever did.
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it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win.
Mayo fans might also have the"blushing bride role" if they came from where we have been the last decade. Won't be many Roscommon fans expecting a win in the final but we will be expecting a more competitive edge & at the end of the day nothing wrong been a little cautious.
I did say 'as well' Ross4life, as well as a bit more.
Maybe ye are coming from a better place. Ye had some 'embarrassing' defeats - but only yerselves were really paying attention and it s not too long ago at all that Eugene McGee - the Voltaire of football - had ye down as the pin-up boys of football.
Not the same as calving charolais bull triplets before a few million people in September. Now that is coming from a bad place.
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it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win.
Mayo fans might also have the"blushing bride role" if they came from where we have been the last decade. Won't be many Roscommon fans expecting a win in the final but we will be expecting a more competitive edge & at the end of the day nothing wrong been a little cautious.
I did say 'as well' Ross4life, as well as a bit more.
Maybe ye are coming from a better place. Ye had some 'embarrassing' defeats - but only yerselves were really paying attention and it s not too long ago at all that Eugene McGee - the Voltaire of football - had ye down as the pin-up boys of football.
Not the same as calving charolais bull triplets before a few million people in September. Now that is coming from a bad place.
More than some. prior to Leitrim game in 2009 we had lost 10 championship games in a row on Irish soil you claim Mayo had a desperate decade but nothing like ours TBH.
??? For the love of God or Money!! Would the reigning champions start talking like champions, please?!
Unless of course they consider themselves undeserving of being the champions.
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??? For the love of God or Money!! Would the reigning champions start talking like champions, please?!
Unless of course they consider themselves undeserving of being the champions.
Certainly not undeserving, Sligo were the best going into the final & we beat them deserving so. July 17th will be the chance for us to become the undisputed champions.
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it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win.
Mayo fans might also have the"blushing bride role" if they came from where we have been the last decade. Won't be many Roscommon fans expecting a win in the final but we will be expecting a more competitive edge & at the end of the day nothing wrong been a little cautious.
I did say 'as well' Ross4life, as well as a bit more.
Maybe ye are coming from a better place. Ye had some 'embarrassing' defeats - but only yerselves were really paying attention and it s not too long ago at all that Eugene McGee - the Voltaire of football - had ye down as the pin-up boys of football.
Not the same as calving charolais bull triplets before a few million people in September. Now that is coming from a bad place.
More than some. prior to Leitrim game in 2009 we had lost 10 championship games in a row on Irish soil you claim Mayo had a desperate decade but nothing like ours TBH.
Worse actually. We had good teams that crashed and burned.
Good to hear SOS might be back - could play MF with AOS on the 40 maybe? Or hold him in reserve more likely.
I'd keep Harte in reserve too unless he's in middling shape - no point in him doing more damage stretching to make it. Same with McG unless he's fit.
Geraghty is a loss, he's had a few poor enough days but at least he's a proper corner back rather than us having a wing back playing in the corner.
Farrandeelin, any word on how Howley is?? McL or T Mort are likely to play the sweeper if he's out I'd say.
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Seriously lads do we really expect SOS to come into the team, grasp a game from midfield without a winter's training and only game time against Monaghan?
And we can really expect to go anywhere when the management do not have a clue of their team, their styloe of play, and fitness allowing are likely to play Geraghty, Vaughan, and Trevor again all of whom have only a few weeks training and little or none county football this year?
The whole thing smacks of a shambles and a story being made up as we are going along. The only thing is that Galway may be in as big a mess - but then again they may not because they are going about their business very quietly.
Do we think we could heading for a record low attendance in recent memory for a Mayo/Galway game. 10,000ish could test it.
And another thing - are Mayo heading the way of Offaly hurlers when you see the issues arising now over a e2m debt. And yet the Mayo debt is multiples of that and I know which is the nicer venue after the money being spent.
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QuoteGood to hear SOS might be back
Seriously lads do we really expect SOS to come into the team, grasp a game from midfield without a winter's training and only game time against Monaghan?
And we can really expect to go anywhere when the management do not have a clue of their team, their styloe of play, and fitness allowing are likely to play Geraghty, Vaughan, and Trevor again all of whom have only a few weeks training and little or none county football this year?
The whole thing smacks of a shambles and a story being made up as we are going along. The only thing is that Galway may be in as big a mess - but then again they may not because they are going about their business very quietly.
Do we think we could heading for a record low attendance in recent memory for a Mayo/Galway game. 10,000ish could test it.
And another thing - are Mayo heading the way of Offaly hurlers when you see the issues arising now over a e2m debt. And yet the Mayo debt is multiples of that and I know which is the nicer venue after the money being spent.
i was thinking the same thing myself barney when i heard Daithi Regan talking about it on Newstalk bringing all the matches to tullamore ect to Finance the debt and only 200 truning a bit like the way our lot bring every single match (league,club semis/finals) to castlebar for lads to play in a empty stadium with no atmosphere
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QuoteGood to hear SOS might be back
Seriously lads do we really expect SOS to come into the team, grasp a game from midfield without a winter's training and only game time against Monaghan?
And we can really expect to go anywhere when the management do not have a clue of their team, their styloe of play, and fitness allowing are likely to play Geraghty, Vaughan, and Trevor again all of whom have only a few weeks training and little or none county football this year?
The whole thing smacks of a shambles and a story being made up as we are going along. The only thing is that Galway may be in as big a mess - but then again they may not because they are going about their business very quietly.
Do we think we could heading for a record low attendance in recent memory for a Mayo/Galway game. 10,000ish could test it.
And another thing - are Mayo heading the way of Offaly hurlers when you see the issues arising now over a e2m debt. And yet the Mayo debt is multiples of that and I know which is the nicer venue after the money being spent.
i was thinking the same thing myself barney when i heard Daithi Regan talking about it on Newstalk bringing all the matches to tullamore ect to Finance the debt and only 200 truning a bit like the way our lot bring every single match (league,club semis/finals) to castlebar for lads to play in a empty stadium with no atmosphere
What is the current debt on the refurbished McHale Park? I assume it sizeable.
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QuoteGood to hear SOS might be back
Seriously lads do we really expect SOS to come into the team, grasp a game from midfield without a winter's training and only game time against Monaghan?
Finish the quote Barney...
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Or hold him in reserve more likely.
Nobody is really suggesting that SOS will take on Galway on his own, let alone start, but he is a good addition so whats the problem?
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
And we can really expect to go anywhere when the management do not have a clue of their team, their styloe of play,
Actually we are fairly close. The biggest problems were 3 and 6, with 3 being filled by Alan Feeney and I would be happy with Cafferkey or Trevor Mortimor at CB
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
and fitness allowing are likely to play Geraghty, Vaughan, and Trevor again all of whom have only a few weeks training and little or none county football this year?
Vaughan came back at the end of April in insane shape, beating guys that were there all winter fitness wise. Trevor has also showed the hunger, appetite, fitness and ability this year at club and when given a chance at county level and saved our asses in London.
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
The whole thing smacks of a shambles and a story being made up as we are going along. The only thing is that Galway may be in as big a mess - but then again they may not because they are going about their business very quietly.
I think some of your posts lately are a shambles. A couple of weeks ago your suggesting that without a Connacht title win that Horan will be made walk the plank (after 8 months in charge, picking up the pieces from last year) which is out of touch. Now you are describing things are made up as we go along?
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
Do we think we could heading for a record low attendance in recent memory for a Mayo/Galway game. 10,000ish could test it.
Who cares? Attendances are down at all the games, I have heard it referred to as a recession.
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
And another thing - are Mayo heading the way of Offaly hurlers when you see the issues arising now over a e2m debt. And yet the Mayo debt is multiples of that and I know which is the nicer venue after the money being spent.
Thats a bit off the topic
Did someone eat your fry this morning? :D
Are you happy now all that is off your chest? ;)
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watching the pressure the leitrim backs were putting on shine and kilbride and yet the just needed a inch of space and over the bar, its nearly impossible to stop them
I thought Shine was very wasteful on Sunday, maybe on a dry day he would have scored 1-7.
His shot selection was poor in the 2nd half but his opening point settled them down and his goal killed Leitrim. Apart from that he showed for and won alot of hard ball out in front in the first half when it was still a contest. I thought he was even more effective than Kilbride in the general sense.
His shot selection may have been poor but everyone one of those shots were hit extremely clean, guarnteed pts if there was no wind imo, there even a 45 which he hit wide that went 15 yards past the goals. Unreal striker of the ball. And i thought he looked sharp and for a big man hes awful composed on the ball under pressure. Kilbride too.
Sligonian stop agreeing and +1ing me! Its startin to freak me out!
Reverse pychology?
No, youve simply started to talk some sense ;)
Looks like us in Sligo have more confidence in Roscommon than the rossies do. Interesting that. I'll leave ye to it.
This is the championship no team is good enough to win. I never saw such modesty. What a tragedy Sligo are out.
Not all of us are modest. I ve always liked a team that could win as favourites, a team that cannot win regularly when they are expected to are not a good team. I ve never believed in this underdog mentality and underdog football. In fact I hate it and it has not done us any good down the years. Even when we had good teams we tried to attach an underdog tag every game, no matter who we were playing. When Johnno got the job the first thing he did was deflate expectations. Football euthanasia!
I dont expect that many of my county men share my sentiments however. And it appears that the Rossies prefer the blushing bride role as well. But we all know the Rossies really expect to win. They always do when they are half decent - and this team looks like they could be very decent indeed. When Ros had a great team they strutted like no other team in Connacht have done in my time - not even the Galways that won AI.
Anyway back to Mayo. I m not at all confident about this Summer. I ll put it this way. If we had the likes of Harte and McGar fit and management went with the selection and tactics I outlined earlier in the league campaign I would be c**k sure we would win Connacht. That is even after flatlining last year. Even if Galway had Army and Meehan. But their is too much uncertainty about us and fellas we needed to be fit wont be.
Fair play moysider. I just hope James & Co. aren't going to go by what is being posted here about them! f**k the 'beal bocht.'
They've enough problems to contend with without being told they are crap. I also detest the 'underdog' tag syndrome; if Mayo don't go onto the field fully aware of their own abilities and determined to play up to them, we might as well throw the towel in. Even if we scrape a win against the herrin' chokers, we'd still have a potentially good Roscommon side to face.
Mind you, if the Rossies are going to listen to their supporters on this board, they might as well forget about this year as well. I do think the county posters here are deliberately downplaying their chances of the Connacht title and, for the sake of Connacht football, I hope they are. It's up to them to set the pace west of the Shannon and it's up to Galway/ Mayo to take them on and take the title on merit.
Obviously, I hope Mayo win out but if they don't, I'll wish whoever wins the very best. Undue modesty has no place in Connacht football and we've had too much of that down the years.
Having gotten that off my chest, I'm a biteen concerned about Mayo's mental state right now. It seems far too much reliance is being put on the old timers on the panel. Trevor. Andy, Alan etc are being called upon to bear the brunt and that's a worry.
They are well used to disasters down the years and I don't know how they keep on plugging away year after year. I don't see any inspirational leader appearing from amongst the younger players.
That's not to say that with a home game against the old enemy, they won't raise their game. They have the potential to do so and I expect they will.
But then again, I would say that, wouldn't I? ;D
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
[The whole thing smacks of a shambles and a story being made up as we are going along.
I have to agree Barney I have felt for the past few months that the management have been taking a very ad hoc approach and there is definitely an element of making it up as they go along. We've been leaking goals all during the league, challenge games and against London but nothing has been done to rectify this. The only area that is anyway settled is the forwards where we know that at least four starters i.e. Dillon, Moran, Doherty and Freeman. Lads being brought in, others being dropped (I see from the Mayo News that Cathal Hallinan is the latest to be let go). Geraghty, Mortimer and Ronaldson seem to have been brought in on the strength of Shrule/Glencorrib beating Ballintubber in a league game!
For what it's worth my starting team against Galway would be:
Clarke
Cunniffe
Cafferkey
Higgins
R Feeney
Vaughan
McLoughlin
McGarrity
Kilcullen
Moran
A O'Shea
Dillon
T Mortimer (Paul Galvin/Brian Dooher role)
Freeman
Doherty
The half back line would be my biggest worry. I selected Vaughan as I can't think of any one else besides Howley but he's not an option given past experiences. Both wing backs should be told to remain at home and defend.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 15, 2011, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
QuoteGood to hear SOS might be back
Seriously lads do we really expect SOS to come into the team, grasp a game from midfield without a winter's training and only game time against Monaghan?
Finish the quote Barney...
Quote from: macdanger2
Or hold him in reserve more likely.
Nobody is really suggesting that SOS will take on Galway on his own, let alone start, but he is a good addition so whats your problem?
Ehhhhh, considering that I preceded that with "Good to hear SOS might be back - could play MF maybe", I'm not sure what problem you're talking about Abbeysider!!! I would def consider starting him if he's going well in training now that he's got a championship game under his belt to be honest.
It's hard to please some people - last year it was complaints that the panel was closed off, this year it's that there's too much changing of the panel!!! I think Horan is right to bring guys in and out based on form - good to see that he wasn't too stubborn to bring back in Ronaldo (who was out 7-8 weeks ago).
The game in London - which was fairly disgraceful - has put the pressure on Horan, any sort of a win against (a depleted and average) Galway would relieve it a little.
QuoteQuote from: Barney on Today at 08:54:59 AM
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Good to hear SOS might be back
Seriously lads do we really expect SOS to come into the team, grasp a game from midfield without a winter's training and only game time against Monaghan?
Finish the quote Barney...
Quote from: macdanger2
Or hold him in reserve more likely.
Nobody is really suggesting that SOS will take on Galway on his own, let alone start, but he is a good addition so whats the problem?
Quote from: Barney on Today at 08:54:59 AM
And we can really expect to go anywhere when the management do not have a clue of their team, their styloe of play,
Actually we are fairly close. The biggest problems were 3 and 6, with 3 being filled by Alan Feeney and I would be happy with Cafferkey or Trevor Mortimor at CB
Quote from: Barney on Today at 08:54:59 AM
and fitness allowing are likely to play Geraghty, Vaughan, and Trevor again all of whom have only a few weeks training and little or none county football this year?
Vaughan came back at the end of April in insane shape, beating guys that were there all winter fitness wise. Trevor has also showed the hunger, appetite, fitness and ability this year at club and when given a chance at county level and saved our asses in London.
Quote from: Barney on Today at 08:54:59 AM
The whole thing smacks of a shambles and a story being made up as we are going along. The only thing is that Galway may be in as big a mess - but then again they may not because they are going about their business very quietly.
I think some of your posts lately are a shambles. A couple of weeks ago your suggesting that without a Connacht title win that Horan will be made walk the plank (after 8 months in charge, picking up the pieces from last year) which is out of touch. Now you are describing things are made up as we go along?
Quote from: Barney on Today at 08:54:59 AM
Do we think we could heading for a record low attendance in recent memory for a Mayo/Galway game. 10,000ish could test it.
Who cares? Attendances are down at all the games, I have heard it referred to as a recession.
Quote from: Barney on Today at 08:54:59 AM
And another thing - are Mayo heading the way of Offaly hurlers when you see the issues arising now over a e2m debt. And yet the Mayo debt is multiples of that and I know which is the nicer venue after the money being spent.
Thats a bit off the topic
Did someone eat your fry this morning?
Are you happy now all that is off your chest?
Abbeysider just to clear up a few points - maybe I was not as clear as I would liked to have been.
I am happy to a degree that the panel is open-ended but I do feel that to be at the top level of intercounty football your players need to be training at a high level all year round. Certainly when you compare the physique of the Mayo team and the Roscommon team it is clear who has been doing the hard work in the gym over the last few years. I just think that it is a bit worrying that 3/4 of the Mayo team will not have played any intercounty football all season bar the London game and will have to be up to pace against Galway. I would certainly hope that some kind of a team is coming together at this point but would have expected that there would have been a greater effort to settle problems such as our creaking back-line or freetaking etc. earlier in the year. Maybe there was and it failed I didn't see it.
Don't think for a minute that I am calling for James Horan's head. I strongly agree with moysider about the mess he inherited and it is going to take time to get it right. Some of the steps he has taken have not been convincing but it is the next 6 or 7 weeks when he will be judged. When I say that he may be walking if he does not deliver a Connacht title I don't mean that I think he should but those that appointed him may think differently. And this is where the debt comes into it in my opinion - a team that is not winning will not put bums on seats, and in turn all income that follows from that will not be available. Our esteemed Board will not be thinking of recessions.
While it is admirable that James did bring Ronnie back when needed it is also worrying that he made changes to his panel which saw Ronnie and Killer being dropped and then having to turn to two backs to come as forwards in London. He did not leave any support on the bench. I think he is hoping that being dropped will make or break especially Parsons and Killer for next year and that this is a 3 year plan he is working on but it was somewhat short-siighted.
I do think the debt is relevant. We have said it here before. It is going to dictate every aspect of Mayo GAA going forward. There was an exciting Strategic Review ignored and we are being left behind. Going back to this article in 2009 http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/eyojeykfoj/ (http://www.westernpeople.ie/news/eyojeykfoj/) it appears that e730,000 is required every year for the debt - for how long I don't know but a figure of e12 or e13 millions has been mentioned before as being owed. It is a massive problem - not caused by James Horan and his only role is football.
Quote from: StoneWall on June 15, 2011, 11:55:53 AM
I have to agree Barney I have felt for the past few months that the management have been taking a very ad hoc approach and there is definitely an element of making it up as they go along. We've been leaking goals all during the league, challenge games and against London but nothing has been done to rectify this. The only area that is anyway settled is the forwards where we know that at least four starters i.e. Dillon, Moran, Doherty and Freeman. Lads being brought in, others being dropped (I see from the Mayo News that Cathal Hallinan is the latest to be let go). Geraghty, Mortimer and Ronaldson seem to have been brought in on the strength of Shrule/Glencorrib beating Ballintubber in a league game!
Its hard to know, I would guess that a sweeper was tried to help out the fullback line (not midfield) as a tactic to prevent goals? One would hope so, but again the sweeper seemed to play around midfield which was a mistake, this point is probably well established at this stage.
I would agree with the latter part of that StoneWall. To put it bluntly IMO I dont think Geraghty or Ronaldson are tall enough and big enough for senior inter county football, simple as.
We saw Ronaldson being too easily pushed off the ball in the league against Kerry where he didnt get a sniff and we know it will happen again and again, regardless of what he is scoring at club level. I dont know what Geraghty has done to be there at the minute, and I dont know if he is a long term option but if Hallinan is not a better defender then himself, Keegan, Barrett and Eoin O Reilly, and at the least as good a defender as the Feeneys or Cunniffe then I dont know what to say. In fact, if Geraghty is out (hamstring) and Cefferkey is out (hamstring) or even playing centre back I dont think we that many natural corner backs to cover, where as if you look at a lot of the defenders you would count them as wing backs.
Quote from: StoneWall on June 15, 2011, 11:55:53 AM
For what it's worth my starting team against Galway would be:
Clarke
Cunniffe
Cafferkey
Higgins
R Feeney
Vaughan
McLoughlin
McGarrity
Kilcullen
Moran
A O'Shea
Dillon
T Mortimer (Paul Galvin/Brian Dooher role)
Freeman
Doherty
The half back line would be my biggest worry. I selected Vaughan as I can't think of any one else besides Howley but he's not an option given past experiences. Both wing backs should be told to remain at home and defend.
I would tend to agree and be on the same lines as that StoneWall, except maybe I would be trying Trevor Mortimer at centre back as he is well used to the position at club level and it didnt go so well for Vaughan against London.
I dont like the idea of Howley, Mortimer or anyone else playing the Galvin/Dooher role as firstly Howley and Mortimer are no Galvin and Dooher and secondly, as we saw in Ruislip, what happens if a decent attacking player takes up our sweeper being given a roving role? The opposing team just gets another attacking player on top of our already under pressure defence.
We dont need a sweeper against Galway if Armstrong is out and Meehan is a doubt.
Also whoever is picking up Joyce should be told to go man-to-man on and off the ball and forget about anything else, the same with Meehan.
My team would be something like:
Rob Hennelly
Ger Cafferkey, Alan Feeney, Keith Higgins
Richie Feeney, Trevor Mortimer, Donal Vaughan
James Kilcullen, Ronan McGarity
Alan Dillon, Aidan O Shea, Andy Moran
Jason Doherty, Alan Freeman, Cillian O Connor
I would get McGloughlin in at some stage when other legs are getting tired but I dont know if he should start however, I would drop AOS to the middle, Dillon to CF and deploy McGloughlin to wing forward if McGarity not match fit.
Also Cunniffe for Cafferkey if he is not back from his hamstring injury, and Howley is always an option to come in for one of the forwards and sweep in front of the fullback line if Mayo are against the wind or something.
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if the Rossies are going to listen to their supporters on this board, they might as well forget about this year as well. I do think the county posters here are deliberately downplaying their chances of the Connacht title and, for the sake of Connacht football, I hope they are.
Fergal O'Donnell has the same talk To be fair, "we know we’ll be up against it. They (Galway and Mayo) are both Division One teams. We’re coming from Division Four. "At the same time we’ll be hoping to make it difficult for them.
"The important thing is that we’re competitive. Leitrim will be disappointed today that they weren’t competitive. That is the one thing that we’ll have to be careful of. The 2009 game (against Mayo) is still very fresh in my memory and I don’t want a repeat of that."
I'm a little surprised that so many people think Trevor is a starter at this stage in his career. Can someone please explain the reasoning?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 15, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
I'm a little surprised that so many people think Trevor is a starter at this stage in his career. Can someone please explain the reasoning?
Whatever about his starting, picking him at CHB? He is not an experienced defender and is not a natural distributer of the ball. He is a good half forward and a competent full forward. But please lets not go down the road of trying to square a round peg.
Pick him as half forward if there is room or use him as impact sub. Sin é imho.
Quote from: muppet on June 15, 2011, 03:11:54 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 15, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
I'm a little surprised that so many people think Trevor is a starter at this stage in his career. Can someone please explain the reasoning?
Whatever about his starting, picking him at CHB? He is not an experienced defender and is not a natural distributer of the ball. He is a good half forward and a competent full forward. But please lets not go down the road of trying to square a round peg.
Pick him as half forward if there is room or use him as impact sub. Sin é imho.
Desperate times call for desperate measures ;) :D
But seriously, I think that he has more going for him as a defensive player than a forward. He certainly isnt afraid to put in the body for hits, stop guys in their tracks, tackle and work hard for dirty ball. I would rate his passing and penetrating runs far higher than his scoring ability; in which some of his shots and attempts can be extremely wild.
Also is he not playing centre back for Shrule a lot of the time?
Quote from: Barney on June 15, 2011, 08:54:59 AM
Do we think we could heading for a record low attendance in recent memory for a Mayo/Galway game. 10,000ish could test it.
Who cares? Attendances are down at all the games, I have heard it referred to as a recession.
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Recession or not a Mayo v Galway game should attract 20,000+ sure our match at the weekend got close to 14,000.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 15, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
I'm a little surprised that so many people think Trevor is a starter at this stage in his career. Can someone please explain the reasoning?
Sure he's only 30 around the same age as Karl Mannion making his experience vital to the team. I'd say he could do a good at CHB but wouldn't that mean he'll be marking PJ?
Quote from: ross4life on June 15, 2011, 04:32:49 PM
Sure he's only 30 around the same age as Karl Mannion making his experience vital to the team. I'd say he could do a good at CHB but wouldn't that mean he'll be marking PJ?
Reckon PJ would start FF, and roam from there.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 15, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
I'm a little surprised that so many people think Trevor is a starter at this stage in his career. Can someone please explain the reasoning?
Quiet simple really he is a tried and trusted intercounty player who has never let mayo down and its up to the newer recruits to take his place. barring injury hes in his prime and has a whole lot to offer.
Quote from: rosnarun on June 15, 2011, 08:01:06 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 15, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
I'm a little surprised that so many people think Trevor is a starter at this stage in his career. Can someone please explain the reasoning?
Quiet simple really he is a tried and trusted intercounty player who has never let mayo down and its up to the newer recruits to take his place. barring injury hes in his prime and has a whole lot to offer.
I agree that he could be perfect for that role. He never shirks physical confrontation, is experienced, his lack of footballing ability won' be exposed. There's many a centre half back in the country that can't kick snow of a rope. We really need a stopper in that position and he could be perfect. One of our biggest problems over the past number of years is that our defender forget that their primary role is defend first attack second.
It's a tough enough job predicting the Galway lineout. We have played a few challenges recently but I have no idea what teams lined out. Playing without 3 of our 4 best forwards (Armstrong, Meehan & Nicky Joyce) makes the task a bridge too far for us in my opinion.We just don't have enough scoring forwards in reserve to compensate.PJ and Cormac Bane are about the only consistent scorers left in the team now.I think they may go for a team along the lines of this.
Faherty
Burke
Hanley
Forde
Bradshaw
Duane
Sice
Bergin
O Curraoin
Conroy
Hehir
Bane
Concannon
Joyce
Cummins
If Hanley plays midfield, then Duane will probably be in the corner with Greg Higgins or Diarmaid Blake at number 6.
That forwardline would not exactly inspire confidence to be honest.
I really doubt either Galway or Mayo will do much this year. The winner of this game will probably lose the Connacht final in the Hyde
Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2011, 09:57:36 PM
It's a tough enough job predicting the Galway lineout. We have played a few challenges recently but I have no idea what teams lined out. Playing without 3 of our 4 best forwards (Armstrong, Meehan & Nicky Joyce) makes the task a bridge too far for us in my opinion.We just don't have enough scoring forwards in reserve to compensate.PJ and Cormac Bane are about the only consistent scorers left in the team now.I think they may go for a team along the lines of this.
Faherty
Burke
Hanley
Forde
Bradshaw
Duane
Sice
Bergin
O Curraoin
Conroy
Hehir
Bane
Concannon
Joyce
Cummins
If Hanley plays midfield, then Duane will probably be in the corner with Greg Higgins or Diarmaid Blake at number 6.
That forwardline would not exactly inspire confidence to be honest.
I really doubt either Galway or Mayo will do much this year. The winner of this game will probably lose the Connacht final in the Hyde
What type of injury has Nicky Joyce & what's the story with Matthew Clancy on form he's one of Galway best forwards.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 15, 2011, 11:13:30 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 15, 2011, 09:57:36 PM
It's a tough enough job predicting the Galway lineout. We have played a few challenges recently but I have no idea what teams lined out. Playing without 3 of our 4 best forwards (Armstrong, Meehan & Nicky Joyce) makes the task a bridge too far for us in my opinion.We just don't have enough scoring forwards in reserve to compensate.PJ and Cormac Bane are about the only consistent scorers left in the team now.I think they may go for a team along the lines of this.
Faherty
Burke
Hanley
Forde
Bradshaw
Duane
Sice
Bergin
O Curraoin
Conroy
Hehir
Bane
Concannon
Joyce
Cummins
If Hanley plays midfield, then Duane will probably be in the corner with Greg Higgins or Diarmaid Blake at number 6.
That forwardline would not exactly inspire confidence to be honest.
I really doubt either Galway or Mayo will do much this year. The winner of this game will probably lose the Connacht final in the Hyde
What type of injury has Nicky Joyce & what's the story with Matthew Clancy on form he's one of Galway best forwards.
Don't think Nicky has an injury. He just didn't make himself available this year. A pity as he was the best forward in the county championship last season by a distance. Plus with no Meehan and Armstrong we could do with him on board. Mattie Clancy is a good honest worker who pops up with the odd imporant goal every now and then but he's not really a consistent enough scorer.
Funny how different people have a different view of players. There never appeared to be much regard for Matthew Clancy in Galway but he usually caused us more problems than likes of Meehan or Armstrong. The latter 2 we usually coped better with than teams outside the province could ever but likes of Clancy or Bane would do us. The same was true of the 90 s. Savage was the man and the other Clancy was a gem of a player. Maybe I should do a George Hamilton on it and call them the Clancy Brothers - remember GH lazily caled Dino and Roberto the 'Baggio brothers' and has had no cred ever since.
Am I goin off track here?
Bottom line though is that we re just goin to have to wait and see what is goin to happen weekend after next. It s up in the air. That' s the way it goes. This is not like 98 at all. Hard to believe that both teams have slipped back so bad but that is where we are and one or both of us have to get about making us serious, competitive counties again. How both counties were allowed waste away so badly after working so hard to get to the top of the pile 96-01 is unfortunate? Thing is though, 10 years in a successful county like Galway or Meath and 5 or less in a county like Mayo is a generation. The reality is both Mayo and Galway are starting from scratch. We ll have to wait and see if there is any signs of recovery.
In fairness to Ros they have endured and worked hard and appear to have turned a corner.
QuoteHard to believe that both teams have slipped back so bad but that is where we are and one or both of us have to get about making us serious, competitive counties again.
Very true moysider. The thing is - if either of us truly got our act together then the other would probably follow suit. This is what happened around 95,96,97,98 where previously neither team was anywhere near All Ireland level.
Was certainly difficult for me as someone from very close to the South Mayo border to watch Mayo almost win Sam in 96 :)
The Galway team that lined up against Cork last week was...
Lally
Duane Coyne McGrath
O Donnell Higgins Sice
Bergin Hanley
Concannon Hehir Bradshaw
Joyce Conroy Armstrong
And one P Joyce scored 1-04. Don't know what we're going to do when this man retires lads, it's high time the rest of them stepped up to the mark now. If he's the only one performing in challenges we're goosed when the real thing starts. Also Bradshaw at wing forward, where did that come from! ???
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 17, 2011, 01:17:45 AM
And one P Joyce scored 1-04. Don't know what we're going to do when this man retires lads, it's high time the rest of them stepped up to the mark now. If he's the only one performing in challenges we're goosed when the real thing starts. Also Bradshaw at wing forward, where did that come from! ???
Did he actually play there? Or was he used in a defensive "sweeping" role?
Mayo v Galway 95-99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGoBTWFegQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXBwC7REKo
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Mayo v Galway 95-99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGoBTWFegQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXBwC7REKo
That's the second time I've seen Sean Óg De Paor saying beating Mayo in 98 was the greatest he felt after any match, including the All-Ireland wins in 98 and 01. Tells you how much those games mean to the players.
You could see how much Maughan relished the 99 win as well.
That atmosphere during the match and after that win in Tuam in 99 was second only to the semi v the Dubs in 06 for me.
Unreal to see the throngs of people stuck outside and up on top of the toilets in Tuam trying to get a view of the pitch!
Doubt we'll have that problem in Castlebar on Sunday week :(
Have to say i miss Connacht championship games been played in Tuam stadium it's replacement is crap compared to that old stadium.
Quote from: ross4life on June 17, 2011, 08:22:29 PM
Have to say i miss Connacht championship games been played in Tuam stadium it's replacement is crap compared to that old stadium.
+1 . And we hadn't a bad oul record there either .
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Mayo v Galway 95-99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGoBTWFegQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXBwC7REKo
95 -96- 97 were great matches . It was all or nothing and there were 2 very good teams with lots of respect for each other.
You could be out of luck by mid June and the match defined the summer . I thought Galway would win in 96 but never imagined Mayo getting to the final.
Neither did they. Maybe
What a wonderful Mayo team.
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2011, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Mayo v Galway 95-99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGoBTWFegQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXBwC7REKo
95 -96- 97 were great matches . It was all or nothing and there were 2 very good teams with lots of respect for each other.
You could be out of luck by mid June and the match defined the summer . I thought Galway would win in 96 but never imagined Mayo getting to the final.
Neither did they. Maybe
What a wonderful Mayo team.
Yes seafoid, and I honestly think we probably missed the boat to win the Sam then. However, what's done is done...
Hopefully Horan can conjure up some style of good football Sunday week and we can win. I stated previously on this thread that it depends what Mayo and what Galway teams turn up on the day. Hopefully Galway and Mayo will both perform to their potential and Mayo winning would give us Mayo supporters a bit of confidence against Roscommon, the reigning Connacht champions in Hyde Park. There's that other side of me that's telling me that we will see London-esque performance again and that the class of Galway will punish the Mayo boys. I hope it's the former scenario obviously!!
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2011, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2011, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Mayo v Galway 95-99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGoBTWFegQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXBwC7REKo
95 -96- 97 were great matches . It was all or nothing and there were 2 very good teams with lots of respect for each other.
You could be out of luck by mid June and the match defined the summer . I thought Galway would win in 96 but never imagined Mayo getting to the final.
Neither did they. Maybe
What a wonderful Mayo team.
There's that other side of me that's telling me that we will see London-esque performance again and that the class of Galway will punish the Mayo boys.
I wish but considering it looks like Galway will be missing their entire first-choice full-forward line I think the odds on that happening are fairly slim unless some of the U-21's prove to be as good as they seem to be. And at 19 and 20 years of age that is too much to ask of them this early on.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 18, 2011, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 17, 2011, 10:58:19 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 17, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Mayo v Galway 95-99
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUGoBTWFegQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWXBwC7REKo
95 -96- 97 were great matches . It was all or nothing and there were 2 very good teams with lots of respect for each other.
You could be out of luck by mid June and the match defined the summer . I thought Galway would win in 96 but never imagined Mayo getting to the final.
Neither did they. Maybe
What a wonderful Mayo team.
Yes seafoid, and I honestly think we probably missed the boat to win the Sam then. However, what's done is done...
Hopefully Horan can conjure up some style of good football Sunday week and we can win. I stated previously on this thread that it depends what Mayo and what Galway teams turn up on the day. Hopefully Galway and Mayo will both perform to their potential and Mayo winning would give us Mayo supporters a bit of confidence against Roscommon, the reigning Connacht champions in Hyde Park. There's that other side of me that's telling me that we will see London-esque performance again and that the class of Galway will punish the Mayo boys. I hope it's the former scenario obviously!!
The thing about that time was the progression in the province after 95. Nobody gave Galway any chance against Tyrone but they could have won it and that spurred Mayo on the next year and they got to the final and that drove Galway on in 98 . Between 1996 and 2001 connacht teams got to the final 5 times out of 6. So if whoever wins it this year could get into the all-Ireland semifinal and put on a decent show it could set the scene nicely for the next while.
What you don't want is the team that wins then getting pasted in Croke Park. Even if it is Ros this sort of thing creates a very bad feedback loop that damages Mayo and Galway as well . Connacht teams had a shocking 20 years pre 95 and a lot of it had to do with momentum. If Ros can keep building and Mayo and Galway move off the floor with the young players coming through and the three feed off each other for confidence you never know what might happen.
QuoteConnacht teams had a shocking 20 years pre 95 and a lot of it had to do with momentum
Ros drew the 77 AI semi-fnal and lost replay by 1 point, lost the 79 semi to Dublin by a point and lost 80 AI by three points to Kerry - so hardly shocking results. We also lost to Meath in 91 by a point in the AI semi. With limited enough resources we have preformed reasonably well when we got out of Connacht.
As regards the upsurge in Connacht footbal in the 90's I think the revivial of the FBD had soemthing to do with it - since the introduction of colleges into the FBD then the value of it disappeared.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 18, 2011, 02:11:21 PM
As regards the upsurge in Connacht footbal in the 90's I think the revivial of the FBD had soemthing to do with it - since the introduction of colleges into the FBD then the value of it disappeared.
True TJ - one ingedient that likely also contributed to the renaissance of Connacht football back in the mid - late 90's was the revival of the FBD. It had been a few years since the Gael Linn had been staged by that time, iirc.
After the early rounds of the NFL were played in Oct-Nov, there was a break of a couple of months before the NFL resumed. The FBD was played off during this break with pretty much full squads of reasonably fit, regular first team players representing each of the counties. The standard of football on offer in the competition was high, providing some enjoyable spectacles as the neighbouring counties had an opportunity to play with expression, without any of the tensions or rivalries which can sometimes adversely effect league and championship encounters.
Supporters got a lot of enjoyment and entertainment out of attending those games too. It wasn't at all unusual to hear remarks from supporters of each of the counties along the lines of "jaysus, these FBD games are brilliant, as good as anything you'll see later in the year."
An attractive off-season competition then, it dovetailed nicely into the greater scheme of things and seemed to bring the counties on and set them up nicely for the more serious campaigns ahead.
However, when the GAA subsequently delayed the start of the NFL until February, it had a detrimental effect on the standard of fare on offer in the FBD unfortunately, as lads weren't up to match speed or fitness etc and squads were open ended going into it. Consequently, it's now a 'blowing out the dirty petrol' and 'checking out young fringe players' type competition, which somewhat negates the benefits of the earlier years.
Seafoid is also correct though, when he say that there's no greater incentive to improve than to see the neighbours doing better than you in the championship. Once one of us starts making a mark nationally, it will be hell for leather for the other two to try and catch up! ;)
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 18, 2011, 02:11:21 PM
QuoteConnacht teams had a shocking 20 years pre 95 and a lot of it had to do with momentum
Ros drew the 77 AI semi-fnal and lost replay by 1 point, lost the 79 semi to Dublin by a point and lost 80 AI by three points to Kerry - so hardly shocking results. We also lost to Meath in 91 by a point in the AI semi. With limited enough resources we have preformed reasonably well when we got out of Connacht.
As regards the upsurge in Connacht footbal in the 90's I think the revivial of the FBD had soemthing to do with it - since the introduction of colleges into the FBD then the value of it disappeared.
Mayo losing by only 3 points in the 1989 Final in a very competitie match against a Crok team that would play in 4 All-Irelands in 4 years, winning 2.
Mayo was very unlucky not to get to the All-Ireland Final in 1985. Competitive Semis V Dublin.
Quote from: mayogodhelpus@gmail.com on June 18, 2011, 04:18:09 PM
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 18, 2011, 02:11:21 PM
QuoteConnacht teams had a shocking 20 years pre 95 and a lot of it had to do with momentum
Ros drew the 77 AI semi-fnal and lost replay by 1 point, lost the 79 semi to Dublin by a point and lost 80 AI by three points to Kerry - so hardly shocking results. We also lost to Meath in 91 by a point in the AI semi. With limited enough resources we have preformed reasonably well when we got out of Connacht.
As regards the upsurge in Connacht footbal in the 90's I think the revivial of the FBD had soemthing to do with it - since the introduction of colleges into the FBD then the value of it disappeared.
Mayo losing by only 3 points in the 1989 Final in a very competitie match against a Crok team that would play in 4 All-Irelands in 4 years, winning 2.
The only time Connacht teams got to the AIF during that time was if they played a team from Ulster in the semi final.
And no all- Irelands were won. I remember Ross Carr writing in the Sunday Tribune RIP in 1995. He said a connacht team might make it to the final beating a Leinster or Munster team within 10 years. Even Ulster had improved at that stage.
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Lads if anyone can't make the trip home call in here.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dtwo-Championship-Sundays/217016691665247?sk=info
How will this go?Galway aren't exactly in top form and Mayo nearly lost to the Exiles. Although will that act as a kick in the stones for them.
Whats the story with Aidan O'Shea by the way, seems to have gone off the boil.
Quote from: Captain Scarlet on June 20, 2011, 11:54:40 AM
Lads if anyone can't make the trip home call in here.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dtwo-Championship-Sundays/217016691665247?sk=info
How will this go?Galway aren't exactly in top form and Mayo nearly lost to the Exiles. Although will that act as a kick in the stones for them.
Whats the story with Aidan O'Shea by the way, seems to have gone off the boil.
Was off the boil last year alright, and early part of this year. But it looks like that was down to being played out of position really. He was outstanding for U21s in midfield against Ros, and has played well there for seniors when given the chance.
He'll either be midfield or CHF on Sunday I'd say and I'd be hopeful we'll see a strong performance from him.
Can anyone confirm how Mayo are doing in the injuries front? Not too healthy I think? :(
Abbeysider as far as I know -
Kilcullen is a doubt; McGarrity is back in training but has to be a major doubt; Cafferkey is unlikely to make it; Keith Higgins has played for his club. Not aware of any others.
Any word on any A v B game over weekend.
REDCOL is usually a good man for these kind of updates - any news on how the team is shaping up.
Just saw this on the Dublin v Kildare thread. No idea if the score is accurate or what the lineouts were.
Challenge match result from last week:
Kildare 2-21 Galway 0-6
Quote from: Tubberman on June 20, 2011, 01:56:17 PM
Just saw this on the Dublin v Kildare thread. No idea if the score is accurate or what the lineouts were.
Challenge match result from last week:
Kildare 2-21 Galway 0-6
Haven't a clue to be honest. I know Galway beat Cork in Ennis the weekend before last. That was the last I heard.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 20, 2011, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 20, 2011, 01:56:17 PM
Just saw this on the Dublin v Kildare thread. No idea if the score is accurate or what the lineouts were.
Challenge match result from last week:
Kildare 2-21 Galway 0-6
Haven't a clue to be honest. I know Galway beat Cork in Ennis the weekend before last. That was the last I heard.
Yeah, obviously can't read too much into either result when there's such a massive swing from beating the AI champions to getting hammered by Kildare.
Might be of interest to Mayo lads:
This is an excerpt from an article about Gilroy not casting the net wide enough:
But you look at a guy like Cathal Carthy playing with Round Towers (Clondalkin). He is as good as the guys called up and he should be in and around that squad.
http://www.fingal-independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dublin-need-to-cast-net-wider-to-recapture-sam-2675250.html
Carthy is actually from Mayo, and gets rave reviews most weeks when playing full forward for Towers (albeit there'd be a fair difference in standard between Div2 in Dublin and intercounty!). Anyone heard of him?
Quote from: Tubberman on June 20, 2011, 03:00:47 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 20, 2011, 02:31:02 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 20, 2011, 01:56:17 PM
Just saw this on the Dublin v Kildare thread. No idea if the score is accurate or what the lineouts were.
Challenge match result from last week:
Kildare 2-21 Galway 0-6
Haven't a clue to be honest. I know Galway beat Cork in Ennis the weekend before last. That was the last I heard.
Yeah, obviously can't read too much into either result when there's such a massive swing from beating the AI champions to getting hammered by Kildare.
It must have been the hurlers who played Kildare ::)
Quote from: Hound on June 20, 2011, 03:02:23 PM
Might be of interest to Mayo lads:
This is an excerpt from an article about Gilroy not casting the net wide enough:
But you look at a guy like Cathal Carthy playing with Round Towers (Clondalkin). He is as good as the guys called up and he should be in and around that squad.
http://www.fingal-independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/dublin-need-to-cast-net-wider-to-recapture-sam-2675250.html
Carthy is actually from Mayo, and gets rave reviews most weeks when playing full forward for Towers (albeit there'd be a fair difference in standard between Div2 in Dublin and intercounty!). Anyone heard of him?
Played Minor with Mayo in 2001. Son of John Carty, the former Fianna Fail TD and Senator. Transferred away from home club Aghamore this year. Same club as Alan Freeman. I'd be certain we have the better man in the Mayo squad. Cathal has ability but never looked exceptional at a higher level. Think this is his second time with Round Towers.
I heard along the same lines Barney. I think Howley could be out as well.
If both McGarity and Kilcullen are out then we could be in trouble around the middle. I suppose Aidan O Shea would be partnered by either Gibbons or his brother Seamus but I cant see SOS being totally fit not having played more than a minutes competitive inter county football this year. We will be up against it against experienced players like Bergan and perhaps Hanley.
Its very strange the way things are shaping up.
After all the talk at the start of the season of team building and finding new players I think that Horan has lost his way a bit as we could see Mayo reverting to much of the previous old guard, (or players that played under the last tenure, many of whom have not played a minutes league action) either starting or coming on against Galway.
Even fans are panicking a little. People are contemplating when Harte is fully fit to rejoin the panel, which suggests that he will walk back onto it. Would the same true for a fit Conor Mortimer? Probably, and I wouldnt argue with that but who would lose out long term?
To come off the bench in a close game with our backs against the wall are the management likely to take a chance with Keegan, Barrett, or O Reilly? I'm not so sure. We are more likely to see Gardiner and Geraghty getting game time if replacements are required in defence. Would they be looking at Cathal Freeman, Campbell or a fit Douglas either if the sh!t hit the fan? Again, I dont think so for some reason.
I think what I am trying to say is, I am now wondering if the pressure mounting is causing this change in tune, or is it simply the form in training and games that is dictating the shape of things? One could argue that Ronaldsons inter-county form had nothing to do with him getting a call up. Was a couple of big scores in the club league games with added media pressure enough of a reason to get him back? As for Cathal Freeman, I just dont know either.
Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Howley got a bad injury against Kiltane, didn't see the actual incident itself, but he was limping badly assisted off the field with the physio.
Abbeysider, it's a pity Horan is forced into this mess bringing back the tried and tested brigade and I'm not for it at all. I don't think Gibbons is good enough to start centrefield however. Mayo have got to start the game from the off, not 15-20 minutes into the game like all the NFL games or 70+ agianst London. If not, it could be a long afternoon.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 20, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Lots to ponder about alright but no need to panic -not yet at any rate.
We seem to have a long list of injuries but Galway have their own problems in that regard and won't be able to field a first choice fifteen either. Neither side is likely to have a settled look about it on Sunday next.
What does concern me a bit is the fact that all those we regard as marquee players have been around for quite a long time-since John Maughan's last stint at the helm in fact. We've been looking to Alan and Andy and the other seasoned 'vets' for many years and it seems we are having to do the same this time around. If Ronan and Conoreen were fit, they would also be shoo-ins. There are lots of good-ish younger players about but they are more of the sheep rather than the shepherd variety.
Mind you, other counties have had the same problem with good minor and U21 lads finding it hard to come up to speed at senior level. The Rossies seem to be getting a good return this year but it's taken them a long time to get the best out of Shine and the others who won All Irelands at U21. I'm still reasonably upbeat about the coming game- even if it's the only the league form I'm going by.
It's a case of Mayo having problems but Galway having bigger ones. Galway are going to need one hell of an input from their U21s if they are to win and, going by the experience of Mayo and Roscommon with their U21s, I don't think they can do it.
It
could will go down to the wire.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 20, 2011, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 20, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Lots to ponder about alright but no need to panic -not yet at any rate.
We seem to have a long list of injuries but Galway have their own problems in that regard and won't be able to field a first choice fifteen either. Neither side is likely to have a settled look about it on Sunday next.
What does concern me a bit is the fact that all those we regard as marquee players have been around for quite a long time-since John Maughan's last stint at the helm in fact. We've been looking to Alan and Andy and the other seasoned 'vets' for many years and it seems we are having to do the same this time around. If Ronan and Conoreen were fit, they would also be shoo-ins. There are lots of good-ish younger players about but they are more of the sheep rather than the shepherd variety.
Mind you, other counties have had the same problem with good minor and U21 lads finding it hard to come up to speed at senior level. The Rossies seem to be getting a good return this year but it's taken them a long time to get the best out of Shine and the others who won All Irelands at U21. I'm still reasonably upbeat about the coming game- even if it's the only the league form I'm going by.
It's a case of Mayo having problems but Galway having bigger ones. Galway are going to need one hell of an input from their U21s if they are to win and, going by the experience of Mayo and Roscommon with their U21s, I don't think they can do it.
It could will go down to the wire.
We didn't win U21 All Ireland but if we didn't have that 5mins of madness in Breffni park last year the likes of Shine.Garvey,Carty,Higgins & others might have added a U21 title to the minor one won in 2006.
Main reason why it's taken time for Shine & others to produce at senior level would be age e.g Shine was only 19 when he made his debut at senior level.
Mayo won under 21 in 2006 so alot of those players are 24,25,26 now.. O'Shea the youngest i think? so these guys should be showing better at senior level.
Totally agree ross4life. Howley and Kilcoyne would have been two of the eldest on that team. Hard to know why Mayo haven't progressed at senior level since. Well a lot of it could be down to O'Mahony but then again it could be down to the players not developing and progressing since.
Also because of the shit O'Mahony left us in, it was always going to hard for Horan to find his feet so early.
Good posts from Abbeysider and Lar. I'd be more inclined to towards Abbeysider's gloom than Lar's optimism though. Very nervous about this.
I think too much is made of U21 success and using minor as a yardstick is just ridiculous. A good minor is a good minor and nothing more. Many struggle to be decent senior club players. Those that are exceptional can play senior county straight away. Other lads ignored at minor can mature later and be serious players. McHale, Brady, McGarrity and Harte fall into the latter category. Not quite but sin scéal eile.
Nobody seems to know what exactly is going on with Mayo and injuries and all. But it could well be that we re more damaged than Galway will be. Amazingly, when you consider what happened last time we met, as well as what common opinion lazily assume, we could be wiped out in midfield. It happened in London apparently and with Bergin, Bradshaw and Hanley in the engine room next Sunday we could be wiped out. McGarrity in midfield and Harte in half forward line are massive losses. I d be 100% that Horan is privately cursing his luck about those 2 no matter what he might say publically about a strong panel. If Howley and Caff are out too then the ice is thinner still. In this climate having Trevor Mortimor on board is very comforting indeed. In fairness Trevor was always going to figure if he still had the appetite. The only thing was not to play him eleven and not let him talk to the media before the autumn equinox. Maybe he should have brought Aiden Higgins back though. That s not to say that the league has been a waste of time. The Feeneys can be played and trusted as much as any player can. Jason Doherty showed up well and Campbell was rehabilitated and should be allowed that off-day in London. On the other hand Burke did not get enough game time and he could have been a revelation in the Summer. As it is it looks like he might not be trusted and Peadar will be called upon to either save a game or give the last rites.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 20, 2011, 10:44:07 PM
Good posts from Abbeysider and Lar. I'd be more inclined to towards Abbeysider's gloom than Lar's optimism though. Very nervous about this.
And rightly so. I was a bit puzzled with Lar.
How Galway could be in a worse place is beyond my understanding anyway. With the 3 amigos out they might have a case for wondering where the scores are going to come from. We however are going to have a more fundamental problem of wondering how we are going to get hands on the ball. Very worrying. Traditionally for us to win we have to own the ball 60-40, such is our poor decision making and wastage. Indeed, with Willy Joe, McHale, TJ and Maher we often got it up to about 70-30 as still lost!
At a couple of games early in the year JH seemed to be annoyed on the line with McG at times. Understandable of course. Still I think if there was a player he would want next Sunday above all others it would be him. From what I ve seen the alternatives have not done enough. Apart from AOS of course but worryingly, he is being touted as an 11. I can t see JH go down that road however. Then is course there is SOS, who is good enough if he s fit enough.
The prices for tickets are ridiculous, 25 euro for a terrace ticket? Have they gone up since last year or did this all pass me by!
QuoteWith the 3 amigos out they might have a case for wondering where the scores are going to come from.
Agree 100% with that.The loss of Meehan, Armstrong and Nicky Joyce is huge for us.While none of that trio could be said to be consistently excellent (a la PJ) - each of them is capable of going to town on a given day and the loss of all 3 at the one time is huge.
PJ and Cormac Bane are probably the only 2 natural scorers left in the forward line now.Mark Hehir will prove to be a good player for us I have no doubt but 2011 is his first year playing county football at any level so we can't expect him to be dominating games at senior level yet.
On a separate note - I'd say there will be a poor attendance on Sunday. I know a lot of people on both sides of the border wh o would be into their football but very few planning on going to McHale this week. I'd say there will be less than 15k?
Probably a reflection of where both counties stand in the overall pecking order in football in the country at the moment
Quote from: ross4life on June 20, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 20, 2011, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 20, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Lots to ponder about alright but no need to panic -not yet at any rate.
We seem to have a long list of injuries but Galway have their own problems in that regard and won't be able to field a first choice fifteen either. Neither side is likely to have a settled look about it on Sunday next.
What does concern me a bit is the fact that all those we regard as marquee players have been around for quite a long time-since John Maughan's last stint at the helm in fact. We've been looking to Alan and Andy and the other seasoned 'vets' for many years and it seems we are having to do the same this time around. If Ronan and Conoreen were fit, they would also be shoo-ins. There are lots of good-ish younger players about but they are more of the sheep rather than the shepherd variety.
Mind you, other counties have had the same problem with good minor and U21 lads finding it hard to come up to speed at senior level. The Rossies seem to be getting a good return this year but it's taken them a long time to get the best out of Shine and the others who won All Irelands at U21. I'm still reasonably upbeat about the coming game- even if it's the only the league form I'm going by.
It's a case of Mayo having problems but Galway having bigger ones. Galway are going to need one hell of an input from their U21s if they are to win and, going by the experience of Mayo and Roscommon with their U21s, I don't think they can do it.
It could will go down to the wire.
We didn't win U21 All Ireland but if we didn't have that 5mins of madness in Breffni park last year the likes of Shine.Garvey,Carty,Higgins & others might have added a U21 title to the minor one won in 2006.
Main reason why it's taken time for Shine & others to produce at senior level would be age e.g Shine was only 19 when he made his debut at senior level.
Mayo won under 21 in 2006 so alot of those players are 24,25,26 now.. O'Shea the youngest i think? so these guys should be showing better at senior level.
I beg your pardon; I I was thinking of the pressure from Rossie fans on the young players to start living up to their potential when I turned the minors' win into an U21 title.
I made the slip up because I was mentally comparing the Ross situation with our own- good young lads with underage AIs failing to make satisfactory progress in the senior ranks. Now, unless I am mistaken one more time, your U21s last year couldn't have many of the 2006 minors in action. Was Shine the only one?
Either that or you had an exceptionally young minor side in '06.
It seems every county in the west is finding it hard to turn outstanding players at underage level into half decent ones in the senior game. But I think a good number of young Rossie players are starting to bed in to the side- if you follow me.
Fergie seems to be the only manager west of the Shannon who has an idea of his first fifteen and I don't think even here that the mix is just right yet. It may well take another year to discover the potential of the present Ross side.
Roscommon has no reason to fear either Galway or Mayo in the Connacht final and O'Donnell has a good lead- in to that game. I am not at all over optimistic about Mayo's chances going into the game against Galway. There is really no form line of any sort there.
But I think that when the negatives are added up, Galway come in slightly ahead of Mayo. That's all I am going by.
Quote from: Duine Eile on June 20, 2011, 11:52:29 PM
The prices for tickets are ridiculous, 25 euro for a terrace ticket? Have they gone up since last year or did this all pass me by!
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0620/1224299224612.html
QuoteTHE GAA could be facing an annual deficit of over €800,000 as a result of the adjusted ticket prices announced over the weekend.
Although the €5 reduction on all adult stand and terrace prices for central competitions up to the All-Ireland semi-finals is somewhat offset by the €10 increase on stand tickets for the All-Ireland finals, there will still be a notable shortfall.
Based on last year's overall attendance figures, the €5 reduction will result in about a €1.6 million drop in the overall gate receipts, while the €10 increase in All-Ireland final tickets will bring in an additional €800,000 – or roughly half the deficit.
Central competitions are everything outside of provincial games I tale it ?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 21, 2011, 01:00:21 AM
Quote from: ross4life on June 20, 2011, 08:14:59 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 20, 2011, 07:46:13 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 20, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Lots to ponder about alright but no need to panic -not yet at any rate.
We seem to have a long list of injuries but Galway have their own problems in that regard and won’t be able to field a first choice fifteen either. Neither side is likely to have a settled look about it on Sunday next.
What does concern me a bit is the fact that all those we regard as marquee players have been around for quite a long time-since John Maughan’s last stint at the helm in fact. We’ve been looking to Alan and Andy and the other seasoned ‘vets’ for many years and it seems we are having to do the same this time around. If Ronan and Conoreen were fit, they would also be shoo-ins. There are lots of good-ish younger players about but they are more of the sheep rather than the shepherd variety.
Mind you, other counties have had the same problem with good minor and U21 lads finding it hard to come up to speed at senior level. The Rossies seem to be getting a good return this year but it’s taken them a long time to get the best out of Shine and the others who won All Irelands at U21. I’m still reasonably upbeat about the coming game- even if it’s the only the league form I’m going by.
It’s a case of Mayo having problems but Galway having bigger ones. Galway are going to need one hell of an input from their U21s if they are to win and, going by the experience of Mayo and Roscommon with their U21s, I don’t think they can do it.
It could will go down to the wire.
We didn't win U21 All Ireland but if we didn't have that 5mins of madness in Breffni park last year the likes of Shine.Garvey,Carty,Higgins & others might have added a U21 title to the minor one won in 2006.
Main reason why it's taken time for Shine & others to produce at senior level would be age e.g Shine was only 19 when he made his debut at senior level.
Mayo won under 21 in 2006 so alot of those players are 24,25,26 now.. O'Shea the youngest i think? so these guys should be showing better at senior level.
I beg your pardon; I I was thinking of the pressure from Rossie fans on the young players to start living up to their potential when I turned the minors’ win into an U21 title.
I made the slip up because I was mentally comparing the Ross situation with our own- good young lads with underage AIs failing to make satisfactory progress in the senior ranks. Now, unless I am mistaken one more time, your U21s last year couldn’t have many of the 2006 minors in action. Was Shine the only one?
Either that or you had an exceptionally young minor side in '06.
It seems every county in the west is finding it hard to turn outstanding players at underage level into half decent ones in the senior game. But I think a good number of young Rossie players are starting to bed in to the side- if you follow me.
Fergie seems to be the only manager west of the Shannon who has an idea of his first fifteen and I don’t think even here that the mix is just right yet. It may well take another year to discover the potential of the present Ross side.
Roscommon has no reason to fear either Galway or Mayo in the Connacht final and O’Donnell has a good lead- in to that game.
Yes you did make a slip up. 7 of the 2006 minor panel was part of the U21 team last year but i think Shine is the only one known to you? & years before that, pressure from our fans? all i know is...we were very competitive & somewhat unlucky v your guys.
There is a myth going about that we have the most settled team in Connacht at the moment not so sure about that? we made 7 changes from the team last year & finally our 06 minor players (currently 7 on the starting 15 senior team) certainly won't fear Mayo/Galway because they have came up through the ranks beating both! but i'm using minors as a yardstick that's just ridiculous.
When I reread my last post I can see I came across as a bit harsh and I didnt quite get the points across I was trying to make.
When I say we are reverting to the so called "old guard" I dont honestly think it is a step backwards, rather it is just putting out the best team we have as in my view a lot of the new younger players brought in may not be ready to step up to the mark just yet. It will take a few years for some of the younger players to come through and break into the team and I was only highlighting that to try and dampen expectation on them. However, some of the older-new players brought back seem to be really showing well and I am putting the two Feeneys in this bracket.
Horan took some of the bravest steps a Mayo manager has ever taken in blooding and bringing along all the players he did in the FBD and the NFL. We know from all of that that there is an abundance of quality and talent in the ranks, but we also know from later games this year that some of them are not ready to take the step so patience is needed. But even having said that, the current panel and team is vastly different to last years later games so that is a huge positive.
The truth, in the cold light of day is that that old guard saved us, and saved the day against London. Make no mistake about it. And one guy, Trevor Mortimer, in terms, saved Mayo football - he had such an impact against London. The likes of Trev, Dillon, Andy and co have an awful lot more to give and if they are being trusted I think they will produce. With that sentiment, me saying that its a cause for concern that those lads are getting the nod without much NFL game time is premature, as they have the experience in abundance. Against Galway we are going to need born leaders to win the game, and it will come from the older guys who have shown the character in Pearse Stadium and McHale park against Galway before so they know what it takes.
In retrospect and reading back on my last post its unfair and probably hypocritical of me to use the same stick to applaud and commend Horan for bringing in club players on form and then seem to turn that stick against him regarding Ronaldson. I suppose if players everywhere in the county believe that if they outclass and outshine at club level they will be given the nod at county and thats all a club player can ask. I would be happy to see Michael Conroy, Darren Coen or David Kilcullen getting a call up if they were doing the same at club level.
Having that sort of ethos, is a good thing and is something we have not seen in the past so management should be commended. In the past you had closed panels with no changes where the battle for places was minimal and subs on the end of panels were on their laurels and not pushing - sure the saying went "Its harder to get off the county panel than it is to get on it". I dont think that will be the case when Horan is in charge, as when he was with us at club level there was battles for places all over the panel to the last sub, and when everyone was pushing together you get amazing results. Once these guys get used to playing together and they know that they will need a level of constancy to earn their place, I think that Mayo will be a serious outfit.
What I was trying to get at with the media pressure comment was a pop at the media as they are always the first to beat the drum and rub someone's nose in it and highlight what Ronaldson is doing at club level as a subtle reminder that his dropping may have been a big mistake. I dont know why I jumped on Ronnie, but sure I had the same gripe against Cunniffe a couple of years ago until he proved us all wrong and raised a lot of eyebrows with some exceptional performances this year, especially against Kerry. If Ronnie were to come on and kick the winning free against Galway or anyone else vultures (or was it animals Paudie referred to us as) like me would only be delighted for him and all would be forgiven.
Speaking about the Galway game, I think that Mayo still have enough to pull us through. I was worried about SOS fitness but someone in the know told me he is flying so that was heartening to hear. Also my heart tells me that there is a huge game in AOS so I am hoping that it will be against Galway. With Keith Higgins back he strengthens up the back line no end and we have cover in Geraghty and Gardiner. I think Geraghty could be in contention and could have a role to play the next day. He seems to be on a bit of personal journey to prove a point to everyone, and to himself so watch that space. Upfront we are not doing so bad either and they are all capable of taking scores so its not all doom and gloom.
All that said, this year Horan has been dealt a very, very tough hand, trying to pick up the smithereens and sift through the shrapnel from last year and trying to put together a team that will play with confidence in the championship this year. Id say that he (and the rest of us, as Moy eluded to) are cursing the injuries we have at the minute as they are coming at the wrong time, but again we still have enough to pull us through, especially with a home venue and Galway not at full strength either.
One thing that may be of concern is how quiet Galway are these days. The are going about their business and we are hearing nothing from them which could be a worry as they are leaving all the expectation with Mayo which could be dangerous. My expectation is not that high as we are in a different phase to other years, but I do believe that whoever wins on Sunday has every chance of lifting a Connacht title in the Hyde and I think we can do it.
One thing just struck me, I am actually arguing with myself here am I?
Is that a bigger cause for concern than the Galway game? ;)
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 21, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
And one guy, Trevor Mortimer, in terms, saved Mayo football - he had such an impact against London.
Abbeysider, a stór, it might be no harm if you took a long walk in the fresh air if this damned rain ever stops. The pressure is building up and affecting your judgement. Trevor Mortimer and Cúchulainn are not one in the same, with due respect to both.
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Quote from: AbbeySider on June 21, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
And one guy, Trevor Mortimer, in terms, saved Mayo football - he had such an impact against London.
Abbeysider, a stór, it might be no harm if you took a long walk in the fresh air if this damned rain ever stops. The pressure is building up and affecting your judgement. Trevor Mortimer and Cúchulainn are not one in the same, with due respect to both.
:D
I dont know Iolar, without him it could have been a very different story, and where would we be then?
Its not worth thinking about! ;)
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Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 21, 2011, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 21, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
And one guy, Trevor Mortimer, in terms, saved Mayo football - he had such an impact against London.
Abbeysider, a stór, it might be no harm if you took a long walk in the fresh air if this damned rain ever stops. The pressure is building up and affecting your judgement. Trevor Mortimer and Cúchulainn are not one in the same, with due respect to both.
:D
I dont know Iolar, without him it could have been a very different story, and where would we be then?
Its not worth thinking about! ;)
A lot of people seem inclined to scrap everything that they saw at games with their own eyes in favour of a game that they listened to on the radio. I don't mean you in particular Abbeysider, as you're clearly a man who plays close attention to football, but there's been a general trend here in recent weeks. Word gets back from London that such a player was rotten and another played like God and it seems to have won sway over the first hand evidence of this season and of other seasons. And I'm not at all sure that the opinions of radio commentators are as worthwhile as what you see with your own eyes.
I remain very, very worried about this game on Sunday. I really hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: ross4life on June 21, 2011, 01:47:45 AM
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Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Lots to ponder about alright but no need to panic -not yet at any rate.
We seem to have a long list of injuries but Galway have their own problems in that regard and won't be able to field a first choice fifteen either. Neither side is likely to have a settled look about it on Sunday next.
What does concern me a bit is the fact that all those we regard as marquee players have been around for quite a long time-since John Maughan's last stint at the helm in fact. We've been looking to Alan and Andy and the other seasoned 'vets' for many years and it seems we are having to do the same this time around. If Ronan and Conoreen were fit, they would also be shoo-ins. There are lots of good-ish younger players about but they are more of the sheep rather than the shepherd variety.
Mind you, other counties have had the same problem with good minor and U21 lads finding it hard to come up to speed at senior level. The Rossies seem to be getting a good return this year but it's taken them a long time to get the best out of Shine and the others who won All Irelands at U21. I'm still reasonably upbeat about the coming game- even if it's the only the league form I'm going by.
It's a case of Mayo having problems but Galway having bigger ones. Galway are going to need one hell of an input from their U21s if they are to win and, going by the experience of Mayo and Roscommon with their U21s, I don't think they can do it.
It could will go down to the wire.
We didn't win U21 All Ireland but if we didn't have that 5mins of madness in Breffni park last year the likes of Shine.Garvey,Carty,Higgins & others might have added a U21 title to the minor one won in 2006.
Main reason why it's taken time for Shine & others to produce at senior level would be age e.g Shine was only 19 when he made his debut at senior level.
Mayo won under 21 in 2006 so alot of those players are 24,25,26 now.. O'Shea the youngest i think? so these guys should be showing better at senior level.
I beg your pardon; I I was thinking of the pressure from Rossie fans on the young players to start living up to their potential when I turned the minors' win into an U21 title.
I made the slip up because I was mentally comparing the Ross situation with our own- good young lads with underage AIs failing to make satisfactory progress in the senior ranks. Now, unless I am mistaken one more time, your U21s last year couldn't have many of the 2006 minors in action. Was Shine the only one?
Either that or you had an exceptionally young minor side in '06.
It seems every county in the west is finding it hard to turn outstanding players at underage level into half decent ones in the senior game. But I think a good number of young Rossie players are starting to bed in to the side- if you follow me.
Fergie seems to be the only manager west of the Shannon who has an idea of his first fifteen and I don't think even here that the mix is just right yet. It may well take another year to discover the potential of the present Ross side.
Roscommon has no reason to fear either Galway or Mayo in the Connacht final and O'Donnell has a good lead- in to that game.
Yes you did make a slip up. 7 of the 2006 minor panel was part of the U21 team last year but i think Shine is the only one known to you? & years before that, pressure from our fans? all i know is...we were very competitive & somewhat unlucky v your guys.
There is a myth going about that we have the most settled team in Connacht at the moment not so sure about that? we made 7 changes from the team last year & finally our 06 minor players (currently 7 on the starting 15 senior team) certainly won't fear Mayo/Galway because they have came up through the ranks beating both! but i'm using minors as a yardstick that's just ridiculous.
I know at least four Roscommon men here in Dublin and from them, plus Rossie posters here, I get my impressions on your football scene. I also keep a reasonably close watch on what happens on the senior intercounty scene but nothing compared to the heads I know. Up to about a year ago, it's fair to say that O'Donnell was in the doghouse- couldn't wipe his nose, never mind manage a football team etc, etc. The younger players were getting the same sort of criticism also. Mind you, the more established lads got more than their fair share of dogs' abuse as well.
Shine was by no means the only minor of 2006 to be criticised but I felt that far too much was being expected of him in particular. I do know that there are now a good few from the 2006 minors on the senior side now but it has taken 5 years to get them this far. My point in my last post being that it seems to take a long time to get underage players up to senior standard in every Connacht county.
Now, if seven of the 2006 minors were playing U21 last year they must have been 17 or under when they won that title and that would mean they had to be an exceptionally gifted side. To play U21 in 2010, a player could have been no more than 17 in '06. It has taken quite a long time to get a boost at senior level from the lads of 23006 but given that the side had to be young and that your neighbours in Galway an Mayo both find it a slow and frustrating process also, why are so many Rossie supporters downplaying their chances so much?
Sligo is the only Connacht county with a more settled side than Roscommon and they are out of the running. Galway have gone through years of internal squabbling and their present manager is both a blow-in and is new to the job. Mayo are re-building after the debacle of the O'Mahony years and the present poor devil is chopping and changing all over the place.
IMO, all of the three still in contention for the Connacht title could do with another year of development to make discover their true potential but Ross seem to have more going for them at the moment than Galway or Mayo. If ye don't put it together this year the chance might not be there next year - or the year after. I think Mayo's biggest problem this year is the matter of injuries to key players and the same indeed could cause Galway's downfall; Too many key players out of action and not enough adequate replacements.
I'm still backing Mayo but I'm afraid that it will be down to luck rather than past form if we do win out.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 21, 2011, 10:10:05 AM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 21, 2011, 09:48:45 AM
And one guy, Trevor Mortimer, in terms, saved Mayo football - he had such an impact against London.
Abbeysider, a stór, it might be no harm if you took a long walk in the fresh air if this damned rain ever stops. The pressure is building up and affecting your judgement. Trevor Mortimer and Cúchulainn are not one in the same, with due respect to both.
As usual, Iolar, I'm in full agreement with you.
Mind you; I was a biteen jealous when I read Abbey's fine post rant.
I know I do let fly from time to time but I admit I'd be hard put to match that one. ;D
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A lot of people seem inclined to scrap everything that they saw at games with their own eyes in favour of a game that they listened to on the radio. I don't mean you in particular Abbeysider, as you're clearly a man who plays close attention to football, but there's been a general trend here in recent weeks. Word gets back from London that such a player was rotten and another played like God and it seems to have won sway over the first hand evidence of this season and of other seasons. And I'm not at all sure that the opinions of radio commentators are as worthwhile as what you see with your own eyes.
I remain very, very worried about this game on Sunday. I really hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the sway, I think thats down to performance at training of late as well as the injuries piling up that have bound our hands a little regarding selection. I do think Trevor Mortimer has shown enough of the appetite, desire and form both in London and since to merit inclusion the next day and thats down to how he is playing right now.
There are other Mayo players didnt exactly shine in London, but I think that game shouldn't and is not being used to measure players and pin poor performances on them as Id say any manager would have used 12 subs if they could that day. It was just a crazy, crazy game.
On the commentary, sometimes Mid West can be overly positive and may not be telling it exactly how it is. Its often remarked that sometimes it feels like your at a different game than the one you are watching if you have Mid West in your ear. Is it the lesser of the two evils to be positive rather than be cutting? I suppose its all about finding a balance.
I used to crack up at Billy Fitz when the time came to pick the man of the match. He would go through the whole team and describe how great everyone did and then probably pick the current Mayo captain, even if they had a howler.
As for local papers, they also have a bit of a recipe to tell a story of a game and talk up the losing team even if they were beaten out the gate.
I just find it amusing any more and I suppose after hearing some of the Roscommon radio (I think) commentary of the Roscommon Vs Leitrim game when I was up the country I was well glad when I could tune into Mid West. D'unbelievables were never in it. ;)
With regard to Trevor, I have been mildly critical of him in the past and probably will be again, but the fact remains that he was the man who kicked the score to get us within one point when all around him were floundering under the pressure. For that alone he has proven his recall to be worthwhile if he never got his hands on another ball this summer.
Here s the latest from the Mayo News.
Horan to ring the changes
Mayo set to mix things up for visit of Galway
Mike Finnerty
THE Mayo team to face Galway in next Sunday's Connacht SFC semi-final is due to be announced after training tonight (Tuesday) with James Horan set to make as many as six changes from the side that beat London last month.
Fit-again Keith Higgins, Trevor Mortimer, Aidan O'Shea and Kevin McLoughlin are all in line for a return to the starting fifteen with Seamus O'Shea and Cillian O'Connor also believed to be in contention for places.
Speaking to The Mayo News last night, the Mayo manager confirmed that Trevor Howley is his 'main injury worry' this week.
The versatile Knockmore player injured his knee in a club game nine days ago and will be receiving treatment up until Sunday.
Howley took no part in Mayo's A v B trial match last Sunday morning in Castlebar but Ronan McGarrity did play, and came through his first game in eleven weeks unscathed.
"There are a lot of difficult decisions to be made in terms of picking the team," explained James Horan. "There's a lot of competition for places. We've got more players to choose from than at any other stage during the year."
He added that Ger Cafferkey will 'be considered' for selection despite being out of action for almost two months with a hamstring problem.
When assessing next Sunday's opponents, Horan said: "Galway played Cork last week, and in their last three league games against Armagh, Cork and Dublin they were very competitive. They're a good, balanced, skilful team that can do damage."
And he had this to say on what Mayo supporters can expect from their team next Sunday.
"The minimum expectation that people rightfully should have is that the team would go out and work for the cause, and for the team. If we're good enough, we're good enough."
Meanwhile, a crowd of approximately 20,000 is expected to be in McHale Park next weekend.
The thing that stands out there for me is McGarrity taking part. Wow. That might settle Iolar's nerves a biteen.
Quote from: ross4life on June 21, 2011, 01:47:45 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 21, 2011, 01:00:21 AM
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Quote from: AbbeySider on June 20, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Lots to ponder about alright but no need to panic -not yet at any rate.
We seem to have a long list of injuries but Galway have their own problems in that regard and won't be able to field a first choice fifteen either. Neither side is likely to have a settled look about it on Sunday next.
What does concern me a bit is the fact that all those we regard as marquee players have been around for quite a long time-since John Maughan's last stint at the helm in fact. We've been looking to Alan and Andy and the other seasoned 'vets' for many years and it seems we are having to do the same this time around. If Ronan and Conoreen were fit, they would also be shoo-ins. There are lots of good-ish younger players about but they are more of the sheep rather than the shepherd variety.
Mind you, other counties have had the same problem with good minor and U21 lads finding it hard to come up to speed at senior level. The Rossies seem to be getting a good return this year but it's taken them a long time to get the best out of Shine and the others who won All Irelands at U21. I'm still reasonably upbeat about the coming game- even if it's the only the league form I'm going by.
It's a case of Mayo having problems but Galway having bigger ones. Galway are going to need one hell of an input from their U21s if they are to win and, going by the experience of Mayo and Roscommon with their U21s, I don't think they can do it.
It could will go down to the wire.
We didn't win U21 All Ireland but if we didn't have that 5mins of madness in Breffni park last year the likes of Shine.Garvey,Carty,Higgins & others might have added a U21 title to the minor one won in 2006.
Main reason why it's taken time for Shine & others to produce at senior level would be age e.g Shine was only 19 when he made his debut at senior level.
Mayo won under 21 in 2006 so alot of those players are 24,25,26 now.. O'Shea the youngest i think? so these guys should be showing better at senior level.
I beg your pardon; I I was thinking of the pressure from Rossie fans on the young players to start living up to their potential when I turned the minors' win into an U21 title.
I made the slip up because I was mentally comparing the Ross situation with our own- good young lads with underage AIs failing to make satisfactory progress in the senior ranks. Now, unless I am mistaken one more time, your U21s last year couldn't have many of the 2006 minors in action. Was Shine the only one?
Either that or you had an exceptionally young minor side in '06.
It seems every county in the west is finding it hard to turn outstanding players at underage level into half decent ones in the senior game. But I think a good number of young Rossie players are starting to bed in to the side- if you follow me.
Fergie seems to be the only manager west of the Shannon who has an idea of his first fifteen and I don't think even here that the mix is just right yet. It may well take another year to discover the potential of the present Ross side.
Roscommon has no reason to fear either Galway or Mayo in the Connacht final and O'Donnell has a good lead- in to that game.
Yes you did make a slip up. 7 of the 2006 minor panel was part of the U21 team last year but i think Shine is the only one known to you? & years before that, pressure from our fans? all i know is...we were very competitive & somewhat unlucky v your guys.
There is a myth going about that we have the most settled team in Connacht at the moment not so sure about that? we made 7 changes from the team last year & finally our 06 minor players (currently 7 on the starting 15 senior team) certainly won't fear Mayo/Galway because they have came up through the ranks beating both! but i'm using minors as a yardstick that's just ridiculous.
;) I ll be there for the minor the next day but I wont be losing any sleep if we lose. Too much has been made of good Mayo minor teams in the past, and how they don t make it at senior. In most players cases they were never going to make it as seniors. Too small, technically poor, lack of desire etc, etc, etc. If Ros can manage it with the 06 bunch more power to them though. Some have come along well so far. And due to circumstances in the county a lot of this team would have been thrown in at the deep as the old guard
were moved on.
Taking a glance back at our 08 team that coulda/shoulda/woulda won the minor we see that Hennelly and AOS have gone onto senior already. Of the rest it is hard to see any of them make an impression at senior level. I don t see Mickey Harte in any hurry to replace the older guys with the 08 minors. He ll be lucky to eventually find one as good as O Neill, McGuigan, Jordan, Dooher, Kavanagh, Mulligan, McGinnelly, McMahons etc, never mind a bunch of them.
As for our 06 U21s, quite a few have gone on to play senior. Keith Higgins has been the pick of them so far. SOS needs a run clear of injuries and Barry Moran has hardly been fit a day since. And there was never going to be any stars among the rest anyway.
Whenever I hear about fellas flying in training I think back to August and September 2004. And then I have to lie down in a dark room for a while.
My nerves remain shot Moysider, and there's no consoling me. I can only sit and wait.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 21, 2011, 01:53:08 PM
Whenever I hear about fellas flying in training I think back to August and September 2004. And then I have to lie down in a dark room for a while.
My nerves remain shot Moysider, and there's no consoling me. I can only sit and wait.
Ah yeah. we re all in the same boat and when was it ever different. Never was I confident about these games which makes it all the more thrilling when we manage to win one. God knows how this will turn out. Noel Connelly makes the point his column that while we may still look to keeping PJ quiet it could be one or two of the unknowns that emerge as matchwinners for Galway the next day.
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My point in my last post being that it seems to take a long time to get underage players up to senior standard in every Connacht county.
Was more or less my point also, most young players need time to mature & won't reach their peak untill 26/27 so alot of the Mayo lads are still a few years away yet.
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it’s fair to say that O’Donnell was in the doghouse- couldn’t wipe his nose, never mind manage a football team etc, etc.
Most Roscommon fans wanted O'Donnell to take over the U21s instead of taking over the sinking ship that was the senior set up but he accepted the challenge steadied the ship & hopefully the progress continues.
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if seven of the 2006 minors were playing U21 last year they must have been 17 or under when they won that title and that would mean they had to be an exceptionally gifted side
Yes the likes of Shine,Higgins,Carty are only 22 now.
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why are so many Rossie supporters downplaying their chances so much?
Because under previous managers we hit a iceberg head on & now under O'Donnell he somehow kept us afloat but unfortunately the waters are still shark infested.
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I don t see Mickey Harte in any hurry to replace the older guys with the 08 minors. He ll be lucky to eventually find one as good as O Neill, McGuigan, Jordan, Dooher, Kavanagh, Mulligan, McGinnelly, McMahons etc, never mind a bunch of them.
Because alot of these guys have plenty of football left in them yet & those guys came for the 98/01 minor teams & weren't they under the management of Harte?
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As for our 06 U21s, quite a few have gone on to play senior. Keith Higgins has been the pick of them so far.
Again most if not all Mayos U21 team from 2006 caught the eye at minor previously.
Something in me tells me we might win on Sunday but after seeing what happened in London I'm not able to say that with any confidence. It looks like the team will line out with a new midfield from London - the O'Shea brothers replacing Kilcullen and Gibbons; possibly scrapping the sweeper with Cillian O'Connor as an orthodox 13 for Howley, Trevor Mort in for Chrissy Barrett and a fit again Keith Higgins for Dermot Geraghty (would he be the one to lose out if he wasn't injured?). Kevin McLoughlin would look to be in good shape to replace Campbell but it leaves an issue over frees again. Will McLoughlin take them on the right? O'Connor? Aidan O'Shea? Paul Jordan?! I reckon if Campbell was confident at present with the frees he would start but I don't believe he is.
I think we'll do alright at midfield. If both of the O'Sheas play close to their best, we'll be on top at midfield. Trevor Mort' has the athleticism to put Bradshaw on the back foot and we have a half-forward line that should be looking to seriously dominate a weak Galway half-back line. Can Freeman and Doherty rediscover their form inside? Hopefully but Forde will give Freeman plenty of it. In our full-back line Keith Higgins will probably pick up Joyce, and hopefully do well. I think Alan Feeney is well able for Paul Conroy although I'd be less confident about Tom Cunniffe on Concannon.
The two key battles though for us are in our half-back line. Vaughan, to me, is not a centre-half back. Hehir looks like a real player. Hopefully he'll be overcome by nerves in his first senior start because if he brings his U-21 form into this game, Donal could struggle with him. Richie Feeney impressed during the League but Bane is a serious player on top form and he usually brings his A game to Mayo clashes. That battle could go either way. We have enough to do it, largely because of Galway's shortcomings but have we the self-belief after London with the residue still possibly there from Sligo and Longford? I hope we do have the belief. I hope . . .
Galway will be the last team into the 2011 championship when throw-in occurs in Castlebar and I hope that we do not experience too much rustiness as a result of the long layoff from the last competitive game, as bad as their performance in London was at least Mayo have got the 1st championship match out of the way.
The standard in Connacht is pretty poor at the minute, although in fairness the Rossies are certainly looking like making decent strides towards heading back to being a force again. Chances are that a good team will await the winner of Connacht but seeing as I wouldn't put any Connacht team within the top 8 in the country a Q-final appearance would certainly be a big deal for Galway or Mayo this year if they made it there.
I see that while the London result has knocked a bit of the stuffing out of some of the more vociferous Mayo posters on here, others think that the London game should be viewed as merely an aberration in the James Horan plan for Mayo success, viewed more as a similar scenario to the 3 point victory over London in '96 which didn't impede the further process of Mayo that year to an All Ireland final appearance. Even Noel Connelly was classing the London match in this exact context in his column in this week's Mayo News, although his opinion that "there are a lot of similarities between us in '96 and this group" is one that I can't see myself at this point in time.
To be fair Horan didn't have his full deck of players to pick from in the London match but although Mayo have numerous starters to return to the first fifteen for the match on the 26th, I wouldn't be so quick as to chalk the London performance down as a once off. It's not a great sign when a team playing Division 1 football cannot beat London easily, even taking account of the 20 wides, a missed penalty and the crazy travel arrangements it was still a woeful performance by Mayo.
People wrote off the close shave with New York that Galway had last year as soon as the match was over due to complacency, their training schedule etc. but it was clear in the subsequent matches against Sligo and especially Wexford that the NY performance was no flash in the pan. Perhaps Mayo will not repeat this pattern in their matches after the London performance but I'm not so sure, certainly if they cannot raise the performance levels for Galway in Castlebar they may throw the hat at it but if Mayo were facing into a genuinely top outfit the next Sunday I'd fear for them if the opposition were able to get off to a fast start in the match.
Luckily for Mayo though they are not going to be facing the greatest Galway team to ever take a pitch, indeed it's a Galway team over who they have already recorded a comprehensive victory earlier this year. When you factor in the current paucity of talent (IMHO) on both teams, the unsettled team selections which makes lineout predictions for the match until announced (especially for Mayo) fraught with some guesswork, allied to the general 50/50 nature of the Galway/Mayo derby matches anyway, it makes this a very hard game to call. It would not be a major surprise to see this turn out a draw, equally it wouldn't be a shock either if one the teams imploded on the day and got a trimming.
The U-21 win has certainly brought a badly needed boost to the county prior to the championship but looking at the return from the 2002 and especially 2005 teams it is evident that although U-21 is a better indicator than Minor as to the ability of a player to make the transition to Senior there are still no guarantees with who is going to make the grade.
Indeed having seen Danny Cummins playing senior in 2010 and 2011 the question at times was asked as to whether he had the skills to complement his pace, too often he looked to run up blind alleys or take the wrong option under pressure. Contrast this to the U-21 final where he looked imperious in the forward line and had a Cavan fan beside me at the final enquiring about the number 13 who was "some player altogether" just after he kicked that absolute peach of a point in the 2nd half. The potential is quite obviously there but as with all the other eleven U-21's now in the panel it'll only be in 5+ years time that a call can be made as to whether this is another great crop of players in a similar vein to the 1994 minor AI finalists or not.
Following on from the U-21 victory there have also been calls from some for either Flynn or O'Curraoin to be put straight into the starting 15 in midfield. Both have another 2 years left at U-21 level and while I'm thrilled that both lads look to have serious potential to deliver in this vital sector in the future, I think that asking either of them to go up against the current top midfielders in the country is very premature, you'd be throwing young lads in against grown men who have years of experience, accumulated fitness and body strength.
Some people will say "if they're good enough, they're old enough" citing Aidan Walsh as an example from only last year but I doubt that either would be seriously considered for a starting berth by these people if Galway haven't had such ongoing chronic problems in the midfield sector since Kevin Walsh retired. I would say that neither player will start or take part on Sunday, especially as Flynn has been doing the Leaving Cert. The Bergin/Hanley midfield pairing will continue for the foreseeable as they have been the pairing since the tail end of the league and have been played in the challenge matches since, although I would say that reservations must be had concerning this pairing also, albeit for entirely differing reasons.
Armstrong isn't quite the loss that everyone is making out – it isn't PJ that we are talking about here. Don't get me wrong we'd have a better shot at winning the game if he was fit and playing well but Armstrong has had constant hamstring problems throughout his senior career and as a result of the constant injuries has only very occasionally shown flashes of his potential. He is about 27 years old now, tis past time for actually delivering on promise and potential, people talk of him as a match winner but off the top of my head I can't think of any important Galway game where he has been the best player on the pitch.
Nicky Joyce for all his faults is a bigger loss this year, when he was bothered he has put in some actual big game performances in the Galway jersey, he was one of the few Galway players to emerge with credit from our last championship encounter with Mayo, a county against who he always seemed to play well. If he has no interest in playing then he is right not to stick with it but we don't have an abundance of lads with his ability within the county at this moment in time.
The ongoing injury travails plaguing Meehan are of course an absolutely huge problem for Galway, his absence from the start of championship 2011 means we haven't seen him playing fit and well for Galway in about 2 years which is a terrible pity, he is one of the few genuine top class inter county players we have
Going by the recent challenge games the team is probably going to line out similar to this:
Flaherty,
Burke, Forde, Duane,
O'Donnell, Higgins, Sice,
Bergin, Hanley,
Concannon, Hehir, Bradshaw,
Joyce, Conroy, Bane
I won't depress any Galway supporters by posting a 15 that lined out for the county during the last big year we had in 2001 but if you take a look at the players of that era and match them up position by position to today it's abundantly clear why the standing of Galway has taken such a nosedive in the decade since. Looking at that lineout there are serious questions about the likely HB line, the Bergin/Hanley midfield is still untested in championship and it's asking a lot of Hehir to come straight in and make an impact at CHF when he has played a grand total of zero league games this year. Whether they make the grade or not only time will tell but at least there is a few championship debutants in the starting 15 this year, giving the team a slightly different look from last year, although it has to be said that nine of the players who started the loss against Wexford last year are playing again next Sunday if the lineout above is correct.
Roscommon looked fairly good on the as the other side of draw, I think they have definitely improved from last year and although Leitrim weren't great on the day they were still dispatched with ease and minimum fuss. The Rossies winning Connacht in 2010 was a shock result but this year, whether it's Galway or Mayo that make it through on Sunday, they will be underdogs in the Hyde against the home team barring an unexpectedly big performance from either team on Sunday that suddenly puts them ahead of where most observers would have them at present.
If Galway were going well I'd be very confident that we'd win in Castlebar because I don't rate this current Mayo team at all, unfortunately as it is Galway aren't going great and are as bad as Mayo (a good case can be made that they are worse) so it's hard to make a convincing argument for a Galway victory. Home advantage is certainly going to be worth a few points to Mayo and if the game is as tight as the past two championship clashes it could be the factor that swings it. Incredibly for a rivalry that is usually very even, Galway have lost 6 times in a row to Mayo now, with the last victory way back in July 2008, so if nothing else we're due a win I guess!!!
Also on a slightly different point to the match discussion, Galway were last out on April 10th, so there is an 11 week gap between competitive games for the footballers until they are the last team to enter the championship on June 26th. To put this in context Galway's entire 7 game league program was completed in 9 weeks. When you consider that the loser of the Connacht final, played two weeks after the Galway/Mayo semi-final, will have to play 6 days later in the final qualifier round and again the following week if they get to the Quarter-final this is scandalous, there are loads of free weekends with no games in the Connacht championship and still we are left with this farcical situation of a 6 day turnaround for the provincial losers.
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A lot of people seem inclined to scrap everything that they saw at games with their own eyes in favour of a game that they listened to on the radio. I don't mean you in particular Abbeysider, as you're clearly a man who plays close attention to football, but there's been a general trend here in recent weeks. Word gets back from London that such a player was rotten and another played like God and it seems to have won sway over the first hand evidence of this season and of other seasons. And I'm not at all sure that the opinions of radio commentators are as worthwhile as what you see with your own eyes.
I remain very, very worried about this game on Sunday. I really hope I'm wrong.
Regarding the sway, I think thats down to performance at training of late as well as the injuries piling up that have bound our hands a little regarding selection. I do think Trevor Mortimer has shown enough of the appetite, desire and form both in London and since to merit inclusion the next day and thats down to how he is playing right now.
There are other Mayo players didnt exactly shine in London, but I think that game shouldn't and is not being used to measure players and pin poor performances on them as Id say any manager would have used 12 subs if they could that day. It was just a crazy, crazy game.
On the commentary, sometimes Mid West can be overly positive and may not be telling it exactly how it is. Its often remarked that sometimes it feels like your at a different game than the one you are watching if you have Mid West in your ear. Is it the lesser of the two evils to be positive rather than be cutting? I suppose its all about finding a balance.
I used to crack up at Billy Fitz when the time came to pick the man of the match. He would go through the whole team and describe how great everyone did and then probably pick the current Mayo captain, even if they had a howler.
As for local papers, they also have a bit of a recipe to tell a story of a game and talk up the losing team even if they were beaten out the gate.
I just find it amusing any more and I suppose after hearing some of the Roscommon radio (I think) commentary of the Roscommon Vs Leitrim game when I was up the country I was well glad when I could tune into Mid West. D'unbelievables were never in it. ;)
Shannonside? Willie Hegarty?
Fits the bill. A M O'M wannabe who falls well short of that standard though. Your D'unbelievables comparison is very apt.
QuoteArmstrong isn't quite the loss that everyone is making out – it isn't PJ that we are talking about here. Don't get me wrong we'd have a better shot at winning the game if he was fit and playing well but Armstrong has had constant hamstring problems throughout his senior career and as a result of the constant injuries has only very occasionally shown flashes of his potential. He is about 27 years old now,
Thought he was on the 2004 minor team that beat Ros in Connacht Final - think he scored 2 goals that day.
Just added 6 years on from the 05 U-21, he could well be 25/26, same point either way.
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Is Horan trusting and relying on the older players to save the day against Galway rather than perusing his original idea of a new fresh young team with his own stamp? Are we too a year too early in expecting that as it looks like the much of the new additions are down the pecking order?
I would be concerned if the likes of Seamus O Shea, Vaughan, Trevor Mort, Geraghty, Howley and the likes walk onto the team without a minutes NFL game time but maybe I am being overly analytic, worried and harsh here.
Lots to ponder though.
Lots to ponder about alright but no need to panic -not yet at any rate.
We seem to have a long list of injuries but Galway have their own problems in that regard and won't be able to field a first choice fifteen either. Neither side is likely to have a settled look about it on Sunday next.
What does concern me a bit is the fact that all those we regard as marquee players have been around for quite a long time-since John Maughan's last stint at the helm in fact. We've been looking to Alan and Andy and the other seasoned 'vets' for many years and it seems we are having to do the same this time around. If Ronan and Conoreen were fit, they would also be shoo-ins. There are lots of good-ish younger players about but they are more of the sheep rather than the shepherd variety.
Mind you, other counties have had the same problem with good minor and U21 lads finding it hard to come up to speed at senior level. The Rossies seem to be getting a good return this year but it's taken them a long time to get the best out of Shine and the others who won All Irelands at U21. I'm still reasonably upbeat about the coming game- even if it's the only the league form I'm going by.
It's a case of Mayo having problems but Galway having bigger ones. Galway are going to need one hell of an input from their U21s if they are to win and, going by the experience of Mayo and Roscommon with their U21s, I don't think they can do it.
It could will go down to the wire.
We didn't win U21 All Ireland but if we didn't have that 5mins of madness in Breffni park last year the likes of Shine.Garvey,Carty,Higgins & others might have added a U21 title to the minor one won in 2006.
Main reason why it's taken time for Shine & others to produce at senior level would be age e.g Shine was only 19 when he made his debut at senior level.
Mayo won under 21 in 2006 so alot of those players are 24,25,26 now.. O'Shea the youngest i think? so these guys should be showing better at senior level.
I beg your pardon; I I was thinking of the pressure from Rossie fans on the young players to start living up to their potential when I turned the minors' win into an U21 title.
I made the slip up because I was mentally comparing the Ross situation with our own- good young lads with underage AIs failing to make satisfactory progress in the senior ranks. Now, unless I am mistaken one more time, your U21s last year couldn't have many of the 2006 minors in action. Was Shine the only one?
Either that or you had an exceptionally young minor side in '06.
It seems every county in the west is finding it hard to turn outstanding players at underage level into half decent ones in the senior game. But I think a good number of young Rossie players are starting to bed in to the side- if you follow me.
Fergie seems to be the only manager west of the Shannon who has an idea of his first fifteen and I don't think even here that the mix is just right yet. It may well take another year to discover the potential of the present Ross side.
Roscommon has no reason to fear either Galway or Mayo in the Connacht final and O'Donnell has a good lead- in to that game.
Yes you did make a slip up. 7 of the 2006 minor panel was part of the U21 team last year but i think Shine is the only one known to you? & years before that, pressure from our fans? all i know is...we were very competitive & somewhat unlucky v your guys.
There is a myth going about that we have the most settled team in Connacht at the moment not so sure about that? we made 7 changes from the team last year & finally our 06 minor players (currently 7 on the starting 15 senior team) certainly won't fear Mayo/Galway because they have came up through the ranks beating both! but i'm using minors as a yardstick that's just ridiculous.
I know at least four Roscommon men here in Dublin and from them, plus Rossie posters here, I get my impressions on your football scene. I also keep a reasonably close watch on what happens on the senior intercounty scene but nothing compared to the heads I know. Up to about a year ago, it's fair to say that O'Donnell was in the doghouse- couldn't wipe his nose, never mind manage a football team etc, etc. The younger players were getting the same sort of criticism also. Mind you, the more established lads got more than their fair share of dogs' abuse as well.
Shine was by no means the only minor of 2006 to be criticised but I felt that far too much was being expected of him in particular. I do know that there are now a good few from the 2006 minors on the senior side now but it has taken 5 years to get them this far. My point in my last post being that it seems to take a long time to get underage players up to senior standard in every Connacht county.
Now, if seven of the 2006 minors were playing U21 last year they must have been 17 or under when they won that title and that would mean they had to be an exceptionally gifted side. To play U21 in 2010, a player could have been no more than 17 in '06. It has taken quite a long time to get a boost at senior level from the lads of 23006 but given that the side had to be young and that your neighbours in Galway an Mayo both find it a slow and frustrating process also, why are so many Rossie supporters downplaying their chances so much?
Sligo is the only Connacht county with a more settled side than Roscommon and they are out of the running. Galway have gone through years of internal squabbling and their present manager is both a blow-in and is new to the job. Mayo are re-building after the debacle of the O'Mahony years and the present poor devil is chopping and changing all over the place.
IMO, all of the three still in contention for the Connacht title could do with another year of development to make discover their true potential but Ross seem to have more going for them at the moment than Galway or Mayo. If ye don't put it together this year the chance might not be there next year - or the year after. I think Mayo's biggest problem this year is the matter of injuries to key players and the same indeed could cause Galway's downfall; Too many key players out of action and not enough adequate replacements.
I'm still backing Mayo but I'm afraid that it will be down to luck rather than past form if we do win out.
I dont doubt that you're genuine in your analysis of the Rossie scene Lar but I'm surprised to hear any Rossies would have been that critical of Fergal. Most that I know had patience with him and the underage structure over the last number of years. The 07 minor side was better than the 06 and were very unlucky to lost to the AI champs Galway. In u-21 they pushed champions Mayo all the way for a few year before winning the 2010 title. So the players (whilst young) were there. O'Donnell by nature is patient and methodical believing in a longterm progress approach in terms of player development.
The reason most Rossies are cautious about this final is that they havent beaten either of the big two at senior level for some time. Its a big mental obstacle. Also they have been on the recieving end of some bad drubbings, relegation to div 4 and not to mention the recent league final hammering by Longford in Croker. Added to this the fall out from 01/02/03 depleted confidence in and respect for the county team for quite some time. Maughan then set them back alot. There was the great side of the late 70s/early 80s. The 2 in a row side of 90/91 and not to mention the very unlucky side of 98. All of those were capable of beating the big two and of holding their own in Croker. Ross have never won the amount of titles Mayo & Galway have but they have had their periods of dominance and there is a very proud tradition of football in the county from Murray to O'Malley to Earley.
So I think the current management tenure has helped alot to restore that. I think they will continue to do so over the next few years so I dont think it will be a disaster if they lose the final so long as they are competitive and regroup enough to have a bit of a run in the qualifiers. Equally if they play at their best they can win it. Long time since that could be said.
Ross have been helped by getting the easier side of the draw in the last 2 years but they have improved and availed of the opportunities they've been given. I think they will continue to improve over the next number of seasons.
To predict the result of this coming match has always been difficult. But more so this time as they both have been going so badly. I think mayo will come through. They cant be as bad as they looked v London plus the travel disaster before this match may have thrown them. They also had a fine league. Galway had a poor league but improved towards the end of it. However I think they will struggle badly without Armstrong and Meehan. If they had these two guys they would be my tip instead of Mayo.
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Just added 6 years on from the 05 U-21, he could well be 25/26, same point either way.
He has just turned 25.
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QuoteArmstrong isn't quite the loss that everyone is making out – it isn't PJ that we are talking about here. Don't get me wrong we'd have a better shot at winning the game if he was fit and playing well but Armstrong has had constant hamstring problems throughout his senior career and as a result of the constant injuries has only very occasionally shown flashes of his potential. He is about 27 years old now,
Thought he was on the 2004 minor team that beat Ros in Connacht Final - think he scored 2 goals that day.
Yep Armstrong scored 2-3 of the 3-10 that day including a last minute goal to beat us in Cashelbear.
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Chances are that a good team will await the winner of Connacht but seeing as I wouldn't put any Connacht team within the top 8 in the country a Q-final appearance would certainly be a big deal for Galway or Mayo this year if they made it there.
Can I ask which teams you consider top eight in the country and how you rank them Fairche? This béal bochting from Connacht people always pisses me off. If you rank the last eight as the teams that are in the quarter-finals then a Connacht team has to be one of them. If you make a list then it's an entirely subjective judgement.
If you go with the quarters, then the Connacht Champion has to beat one of the qualifiers to make a semi. They won't beat Cork or Kerry. Fair enough. But the odds of getting that short straw are 3/1 against. Who's to say that Roscommon - if we take Roscommon as sitting Champions even, if not Champions elect - should be running scared of any other team? Why would they? There are some good teams in the qualifiers but my God, there's none of them in the Red Branch Knights.
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Chances are that a good team will await the winner of Connacht but seeing as I wouldn't put any Connacht team within the top 8 in the country a Q-final appearance would certainly be a big deal for Galway or Mayo this year if they made it there.
Can I ask which teams you consider top eight in the country and how you rank them Fairche? This béal bochting from Connacht people always pisses me off. If you rank the last eight as the teams that are in the quarter-finals then a Connacht team has to be one of them. If you make a list then it's an entirely subjective judgement.
If you go with the quarters, then the Connacht Champion has to beat one of the qualifiers to make a semi. They won't beat Cork or Kerry. Fair enough. But the odds of getting that short straw are 3/1 against. Who's to say that Roscommon - if we take Roscommon as sitting Champions even, if not Champions elect - should be running scared of any other team? Why would they? There are some good teams in the qualifiers but my God, there's none of them in the Red Branch Knights.
Of course I was talking about my personal opinion as to the top 8 teams in the country.
Cork
Kerry
Dublin
Kildare
Tyrone
Hard to rank these counties in a specific order after the top 5 but they are all ahead of the teams in Connacht in my opinion
Derry
Monaghan
Donegal
Down
Meath
Wexford
Rossies have a chance to be hitting back towards the top (subjective) 8 and maybe at the end of the year they will be there but in the past year they have only beaten Sligo and Leitrim in the championship. Mayo and Galway are nowhere near based on all known championship form this year and last. Galway haven't beaten a team outside Connacht since 2004, Mayo lost to Longford last year, Meath the year before.
No beal bocht here, I think I'm just stating the obvious, personally I'd be delighted with a Q final appearance by Galway this year, maybe you rate Mayo ahead of where I would put ye but I don't rate Mayo or Galway at the minute at all.
Why do the Connacht teams deserved to be rated better than the teams I've named above in your opinion?
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Chances are that a good team will await the winner of Connacht but seeing as I wouldn't put any Connacht team within the top 8 in the country a Q-final appearance would certainly be a big deal for Galway or Mayo this year if they made it there.
Can I ask which teams you consider top eight in the country and how you rank them Fairche? This béal bochting from Connacht people always pisses me off. If you rank the last eight as the teams that are in the quarter-finals then a Connacht team has to be one of them. If you make a list then it's an entirely subjective judgement.
If you go with the quarters, then the Connacht Champion has to beat one of the qualifiers to make a semi. They won't beat Cork or Kerry. Fair enough. But the odds of getting that short straw are 3/1 against. Who's to say that Roscommon - if we take Roscommon as sitting Champions even, if not Champions elect - should be running scared of any other team? Why would they? There are some good teams in the qualifiers but my God, there's none of them in the Red Branch Knights.
Of course I was talking about my personal opinion as to the top 8 teams in the country.
Cork
Kerry
Dublin
Kildare
Tyrone
Hard to rank these counties in a specific order after the top 5 but they are all ahead of the teams in Connacht in my opinion
Derry
Monaghan
Donegal
Down
Meath
Wexford
Rossies have a chance to be hitting back towards the top (subjective) 8 and maybe at the end of the year they will be there but in the past year they have only beaten Sligo and Leitrim in the championship. Mayo and Galway are nowhere near based on all known championship form this year and last. Galway haven't beaten a team outside Connacht since 2004, Mayo lost to Longford last year, Meath the year before.
No beal bocht here, I think I'm just stating the obvious, personally I'd be delighted with a Q final appearance by Galway this year, maybe you rate Mayo ahead of where I would put ye but I don't rate Mayo or Galway at the minute at all.
Why do the Connacht teams deserved to be rated better than the teams I've named above in your opinion?
Roscommon, of course. I named them in my original post:
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 21, 2011, 10:28:10 PM
Who's to say that Roscommon - if we take Roscommon as sitting Champions even, if not Champions elect - should be running scared of any other team? Why would they? There are some good teams in the qualifiers but my God, there's none of them in the Red Branch Knights.
Of the team you list, I'd expect Roscommon to beat Monaghan and Meath. Donegal I haven't seen. Kildare will rue those wides one day - who's to say it won't be against Roscommon? Dublin are there to be had. Flawed in every line. Tyrone are not replacing their great men. Down - you wouldn't know what the hell is going on in Down. Wexford and Derry I'd be wary of, but I certainly wouldn't be running up the white flag. Puncher's chance only against Kerry or Cork, of course. A 30 county team has a puncher's chance only against Kerry or Cork.
And why people don't think like that, picking flaws in the opposition instead of themselves, I really can't imagine.
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QuoteArmstrong isn't quite the loss that everyone is making out – it isn't PJ that we are talking about here. Don't get me wrong we'd have a better shot at winning the game if he was fit and playing well but Armstrong has had constant hamstring problems throughout his senior career and as a result of the constant injuries has only very occasionally shown flashes of his potential. He is about 27 years old now,
Thought he was on the 2004 minor team that beat Ros in Connacht Final - think he scored 2 goals that day.
Yep Armstrong scored 2-3 of the 3-10 that day including a last minute goal to beat us in Cashelbear.
He got the winning goal near the end after he fouled Tom Bannon ... can't remember but I bet the Ref was from Laythrum >:(
Gas to see the Mayowestros boys talking us up to be good enough to be batin' Monaghan , Meath and possibly Kildare :D ;D
They obviously expect to be facing us in the Connacht Final :-[
Couldn't really agree with you there Iolar, the Connacht teams have no chance against Cork or Kerry IMO, though that's true of most teams at the moment. I don't think Dublin are there for the taking at all and Tyrone will still take beating. All those teams deserve to be ranked ahead of the Connacht teams. I think Kildare, Derry, Donegal and one or two more are probably ahead of them too though once you leave the top 4 the difference between the next 8-10 is probably small enough.
From reading the Connacht lads here over the years I think the Mayo lads propensity to over rate their own players is quite marked. After a loss ye can be critical but a few weeks later many seem to forget all about it. Take Trevor Mortimor for example, he is now being talked of as the Mayo centre back and being lauded by some for kicking a late score against London. Nobody involved with Mayo
should get credit for anything they did against London because they dont deserve it and it shows nothing. The fact that Mayo needed Trevor to kick the score highlights only how useless Mayo were.
You can't lose to Sligo, Longford and draw with London in your last 3 championship games and then complain if people rate you outside the top 8 in the country, they're the results of a bottom 8 team.
The same could be said for Galway. Roscommon are improving but haven't done enough yet to put them in the top 8. They could be in the next year or two but they still have to walk the walk.
I'd have to agree with most of what you've said there Zulu. Connacht football is at a low standard at the moment.
Maybe we'll be surprised this summer but as things stand, I wouldn't put any of the Connacht counties in the top 8 in the country.
I think Mayo, Ros and Galway have the potential to make their way into the top 8 this summer, but at the moment I don't think there's a strong argument for including any of the 3.
Where I disagree with you is the rating we give our players. I don't think anyone in Mayo thinks we have superstars in our team. The last few years have dulled any giddiness or over-optimism!
Oh I agree Tubberman, most lads don't think you have superstars (Rosnarun excepted!) but I don't think you realise how average some of your players are. I don't want to go listing lads out but I think you don't demand enough of your players or look at why you produces oceans of decent footballers but few, if any, exceptional ones. Brick Walsh, the Waterford hurler, is a better footballer than all bar Dillon in Mayo, Ian Ryan from Limerick is a far better forward than most in Mayo, Limerick have also had two midfielders (Quane and Galvin) far better than anything Mayo have had in my memory. Carlow have a better midfield, Westmeath have produce a couple of top class players in the past 10 or so years, I could go on. Outside of McDonald have Mayo produced anyone that might be called the best footballer in Ireland during their playing days in living memory? When was the last top midfielder yev had, and don't say Brady because he wasn't, and have Mayo ever produced a gooch, bernard brogan, Stevie o'neill type scoring forward? Now maybe Mayo have and I just font remember them but for yer size and football playing population I think you have an extremely poor record of turning out real high level IC footballers.
Real top level IC footballers don't spring from the womb fully formed and if they are not nurtured, any potential soon gets lost. Mayo always produced plenty of young players with talent but very few reach their potential within the county. Emigration, other interests and lack of joined-up thinking within the echelons of the Mayo county board has conspired to throw generations of talented young Mayo footballers onto the scrapheap.
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Oh I agree Tubberman, most lads don't think you have superstars (Rosnarun excepted!) but I don't think you realise how average some of your players are. I don't want to go listing lads out but I think you don't demand enough of your players or look at why you produces oceans of decent footballers but few, if any, exceptional ones. Brick Walsh, the Waterford hurler, is a better footballer than all bar Dillon in Mayo, Ian Ryan from Limerick is a far better forward than most in Mayo, Limerick have also had two midfielders (Quane and Galvin) far better than anything Mayo have had in my memory. Carlow have a better midfield, Westmeath have produce a couple of top class players in the past 10 or so years, I could go on. Outside of McDonald have Mayo produced anyone that might be called the best footballer in Ireland during their playing days in living memory? When was the last top midfielder yev had, and don't say Brady because he wasn't, and have Mayo ever produced a gooch, bernard brogan, Stevie o'neill type scoring forward? Now maybe Mayo have and I just font remember them but for yer size and football playing population I think you have an extremely poor record of turning out real high level IC footballers.
Zulu I take it living memory for you began in 1998. ::)
Quote from: Chimley on June 22, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Real top level IC footballers don't spring from the womb fully formed and if they are not nurtured, any potential soon gets lost. Mayo always produced plenty of young players with talent but very few reach their potential within the county. Emigration, other interests and lack of joined-up thinking within the echelons of the Mayo county board has conspired to throw generations of talented young Mayo footballers onto the scrapheap.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0622/1224299383646.html
The passion their people have for football is incredible and I think that always left you feeling uneasy about your chances against them. They're football-mad and you always got the feeling that
if they could harness it, you'd be in trouble.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 22, 2011, 09:24:24 AM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 21, 2011, 10:58:29 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 21, 2011, 10:28:10 PM
Quote from: An Fhairche Abu on June 21, 2011, 06:10:52 PM
Chances are that a good team will await the winner of Connacht but seeing as I wouldn't put any Connacht team within the top 8 in the country a Q-final appearance would certainly be a big deal for Galway or Mayo this year if they made it there.
Can I ask which teams you consider top eight in the country and how you rank them Fairche? This béal bochting from Connacht people always pisses me off. If you rank the last eight as the teams that are in the quarter-finals then a Connacht team has to be one of them. If you make a list then it's an entirely subjective judgement.
If you go with the quarters, then the Connacht Champion has to beat one of the qualifiers to make a semi. They won't beat Cork or Kerry. Fair enough. But the odds of getting that short straw are 3/1 against. Who's to say that Roscommon - if we take Roscommon as sitting Champions even, if not Champions elect - should be running scared of any other team? Why would they? There are some good teams in the qualifiers but my God, there's none of them in the Red Branch Knights.
Of course I was talking about my personal opinion as to the top 8 teams in the country.
Cork
Kerry
Dublin
Kildare
Tyrone
Hard to rank these counties in a specific order after the top 5 but they are all ahead of the teams in Connacht in my opinion
Derry
Monaghan
Donegal
Down
Meath
Wexford
Rossies have a chance to be hitting back towards the top (subjective) 8 and maybe at the end of the year they will be there but in the past year they have only beaten Sligo and Leitrim in the championship. Mayo and Galway are nowhere near based on all known championship form this year and last. Galway haven't beaten a team outside Connacht since 2004, Mayo lost to Longford last year, Meath the year before.
No beal bocht here, I think I'm just stating the obvious, personally I'd be delighted with a Q final appearance by Galway this year, maybe you rate Mayo ahead of where I would put ye but I don't rate Mayo or Galway at the minute at all.
Why do the Connacht teams deserved to be rated better than the teams I've named above in your opinion?
Roscommon, of course. I named them in my original post:
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 21, 2011, 10:28:10 PM
Who's to say that Roscommon - if we take Roscommon as sitting Champions even, if not Champions elect - should be running scared of any other team? Why would they? There are some good teams in the qualifiers but my God, there's none of them in the Red Branch Knights.
Of the team you list, I'd expect Roscommon to beat Monaghan and Meath. Donegal I haven't seen. Kildare will rue those wides one day - who's to say it won't be against Roscommon? Dublin are there to be had. Flawed in every line. Tyrone are not replacing their great men. Down - you wouldn't know what the hell is going on in Down. Wexford and Derry I'd be wary of, but I certainly wouldn't be running up the white flag. Puncher's chance only against Kerry or Cork, of course. A 30 county team has a puncher's chance only against Kerry or Cork.
And why people don't think like that, picking flaws in the opposition instead of themselves, I really can't imagine.
You can pick flaws in every team, I don't see any evidence myself to suggest that any Connacht team can be classed within the 8 best teams in the country, thats not beal bocht just calling it like it is in my view.
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Oh I agree Tubberman, most lads don't think you have superstars (Rosnarun excepted!) but I don't think you realise how average some of your players are. I don't want to go listing lads out but I think you don't demand enough of your players or look at why you produces oceans of decent footballers but few, if any, exceptional ones. Brick Walsh, the Waterford hurler, is a better footballer than all bar Dillon in Mayo, Ian Ryan from Limerick is a far better forward than most in Mayo, Limerick have also had two midfielders (Quane and Galvin) far better than anything Mayo have had in my memory. Carlow have a better midfield, Westmeath have produce a couple of top class players in the past
10 or so years, I could go on. Outside of McDonald have Mayo produced anyone that might be called the best footballer in Ireland during their playing days in living memory? When was the last top midfielder yev had, and don't say Brady because he wasn't, and have Mayo ever produced a gooch, bernard brogan, Stevie o'neill type scoring forward? Now maybe Mayo have and I just font remember them but for yer size and football playing population I think you have an extremely poor record of turning out real high level IC footballers.
Zulu I take it living memory for you began in 1998. ::)
It goes back a bit further than that, if you think McHale was better then you're living in a fantasy world. I can't think of anyone else, I can't comment with any authority on Willie Joe so maybe he was but the point I'm making is that a county like Limerick, where football is 4th in the sporting pecking order has produced two outstanding midfielders in the last 12 years, whereas Mayo with a bigger pick and better club football have not.
On the law of averages Mayo should be producing a few very good players every 7 or 8 years anyway but you're not, why?
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Oh I agree Tubberman, most lads don't think you have superstars (Rosnarun excepted!) but I don't think you realise how average some of your players are. I don't want to go listing lads out but I think you don't demand enough of your players or look at why you produces oceans of decent footballers but few, if any, exceptional ones. Brick Walsh, the Waterford hurler, is a better footballer than all bar Dillon in Mayo, Ian Ryan from Limerick is a far better forward than most in Mayo, Limerick have also had two midfielders (Quane and Galvin) far better than anything Mayo have had in my memory. Carlow have a better midfield, Westmeath have produce a couple of top class players in the past
10 or so years, I could go on. Outside of McDonald have Mayo produced anyone that might be called the best footballer in Ireland during their playing days in living memory? When was the last top midfielder yev had, and don't say Brady because he wasn't, and have Mayo ever produced a gooch, bernard brogan, Stevie o'neill type scoring forward? Now maybe Mayo have and I just font remember them but for yer size and football playing population I think you have an extremely poor record of turning out real high level IC footballers.
Zulu I take it living memory for you began in 1998. ::)
It goes back a bit further than that, if you think McHale was better then you're living in a fantasy world. I can't think of anyone else, I can't comment with any authority on Willie Joe so maybe he was but the point I'm making is that a county like Limerick, where football is 4th in the sporting pecking order has produced two outstanding midfielders in the last 12 years, whereas Mayo with a bigger pick and better club football have not.
On the law of averages Mayo should be producing a few very good players every 7 or 8 years anyway but you're not, why?
Pat Fallon 97 Allstar
McHale 96 Allstar
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2011, 11:36:20 AM
Quote from: Chimley on June 22, 2011, 11:30:19 AM
Real top level IC footballers don't spring from the womb fully formed and if they are not nurtured, any potential soon gets lost. Mayo always produced plenty of young players with talent but very few reach their potential within the county. Emigration, other interests and lack of joined-up thinking within the echelons of the Mayo county board has conspired to throw generations of talented young Mayo footballers onto the scrapheap.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2011/0622/1224299383646.html
The passion their people have for football is incredible and I think that always left you feeling uneasy about your chances against them. They're football-mad and you always got the feeling that if they could harness it, you'd be in trouble.
Good article
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Oh I agree Tubberman, most lads don't think you have superstars (Rosnarun excepted!) but I don't think you realise how average some of your players are. I don't want to go listing lads out but I think you don't demand enough of your players or look at why you produces oceans of decent footballers but few, if any, exceptional ones. Brick Walsh, the Waterford hurler, is a better footballer than all bar Dillon in Mayo, Ian Ryan from Limerick is a far better forward than most in Mayo, Limerick have also had two midfielders (Quane and Galvin) far better than anything Mayo have had in my memory. Carlow have a better midfield, Westmeath have produce a couple of top class players in the past
10 or so years, I could go on. Outside of McDonald have Mayo produced anyone that might be called the best footballer in Ireland during their playing days in living memory? When was the last top midfielder yev had, and don't say Brady because he wasn't, and have Mayo ever produced a gooch, bernard brogan, Stevie o'neill type scoring forward? Now maybe Mayo have and I just font remember them but for yer size and football playing population I think you have an extremely poor record of turning out real high level IC footballers.
Zulu I take it living memory for you began in 1998. ::)
It goes back a bit further than that, if you think McHale was better then you're living in a fantasy world. I can't think of anyone else, I can't comment with any authority on Willie Joe so maybe he was but the point I'm making is that a county like Limerick, where football is 4th in the sporting pecking order has produced two outstanding midfielders in the last 12 years, whereas Mayo with a bigger pick and better club football have not.
On the law of averages Mayo should be producing a few very good players every 7 or 8 years anyway but you're not, why?
Your argument is that we are at the level of Waterford and Limerick footballers. You back this up with a historical comparison. How many All-Ireland Finals or All-Stars have Limerick and Waterford footballers seen?
Martin O'Connell was POTY in 1996. He was a class player but well past his best in 96. McHale (bettering such Limerick worshippers as Dara O'Sé, Kevin Walsh and John McDermott) would have been a worthy winner but was sent off in the final and was on the losing side. Pat Fallon was a shoe in for POTY in 1997 until Maurice Fitzgerald's tour de force in the Final.
Padden and Kilgallon shared 3 All-stars. Even the great double winning Cork midfield couldn't catch a ball over McHale in the 1989 final.
What exactly have any Limerick midfielders done?
wouldnt the limerick midfield pair make the current kerry team, the current dublin team, the current tyrone team, the current kildare side (sans early), and galvin arguably would be on any team in the country?
Quote from: Bomber2312 on June 22, 2011, 12:48:52 PM
wouldnt the limerick midfield pair make the current kerry team, the current dublin team, the current tyrone team, the current kildare side (sans early), and galvin arguably would be on any team in the country?
Just shows the paucity of decent midfielders in the country at the moment. A crocked Dermot Early in his 30s is still the best out there.
players always get better once they are retired! think your being abit unfair on some of the current crop! the dynamics of the game have changed, more often the ball is not hoofed out to the fear laidir in the middle, so the current brand of midfielder high fields much less but is much more involved with the linking of play
Quote from: Bomber2312 on June 22, 2011, 12:56:02 PM
players always get better once they are retired! think your being abit unfair on some of the current crop! the dynamics of the game have changed, more often the ball is not hoofed out to the fear laidir in the middle, so the current brand of midfielder high fields much less but is much more involved with the linking of play
I was paraphrasing you. :D
i didnt mean that the limerick lads were poor players, rather very good players and therefore, someone saying the limerick lads would make the any of the connacht teams midfield isnt that bad, as they would likely make most teams in irelands midfield
Quote from: Bomber2312 on June 22, 2011, 01:10:45 PM
i didnt mean that the limerick lads were poor players, rather very good players and therefore, someone saying the limerick lads would make the any of the connacht teams midfield isnt that bad, as they would likely make most teams in irelands midfield
He said Mayo hasn't had a top midfielder in living memory. Then he was pointing to current Limerick and Waterford players.
No sign of a team yet obviously? Thought it was due afte training last night.
Jesus Muppet, my point isn't that Waterford or Limerick are better than Mayo but that many counties with inferior resources are producing at least the odd exceptional player. My point is that Mayo with a big playing population, little hurling, a strong club scene, and a number of schools playing football at decent level are not producing enough real quality footballers. Christ ye haven't a full back or centre back worthy of the name either.
You're entitled to your opinion but none of the midfielders you mention are in the same league as the Limerick boys. And while I admire your defence of your players I think that's exactly what's wrong with Mayo. You shouldn't be accepting decent players, you should be demanding exceptional players. Now I accept exceptional players aren't simply produced but you can help talented kids become exceptional, why are Spain producing so many great players while England can hardly produce one? Mayo wouldnt have one player in an Irish 15 and only Dillon would even be in the discussion. Given your advantages re other counties that isn't acceptable. Hell I'm getting frustrated writing this, if I were a Mayo man living in Mayo I'd be kicking up holy war.
Look at dublin hurling for what can be achieve with a good plan and resources and watch Kerry slip back into the pack because they haven't embraced best practice. They won't go back as far as Mayo would due to a winning mentality but they have some barren times ahead.
Mayo can win an AI in the next 15 years but they won't as long as they keep thinking decent footballers are good and that the whole county doesn't have to get on the same wavelength. And don't mention yer CB, if they're as bad as ye say then f**k them out. The time foe excuses is long since past.
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 01:37:26 PM
Jesus Muppet, my point isn't that Waterford or Limerick are better than Mayo but that many counties with inferior resources are producing at least the odd exceptional player. My point is that Mayo with a big playing population, little hurling, a strong club scene, and a number of schools playing football at decent level are not producing enough real quality footballers. Christ ye haven't a full back or centre back worthy of the name either.
You're entitled to your opinion but none of the midfielders you mention are in the same league as the Limerick boys. And while I admire your defence of your players I think that's exactly what's wrong with Mayo. You shouldn't be accepting decent players, you should be demanding exceptional players. Now I accept exceptional players aren't simply produced but you can help talented kids become exceptional, why are Spain producing so many great players while England can hardly produce one? Mayo wouldnt have one player in an Irish 15 and only Dillon would even be in the discussion. Given your advantages re other counties that isn't acceptable. Hell I'm getting frustrated writing this, if I were a Mayo man living in Mayo I'd be kicking up holy war.
Look at dublin hurling for what can be achieve with a good plan and resources and watch Kerry slip back into the pack because they haven't embraced best practice. They won't go back as far as Mayo would due to a winning mentality but they have some barren times ahead.
Mayo can win an AI in the next 15 years but they won't as long as they keep thinking decent footballers are good and that the whole county doesn't have to get on the same wavelength. And don't mention yer CB, if they're as bad as ye say then f**k them out. The time foe excuses is long since past.
You blame us for over-rating players and then insist that Galvin and Quane, who haven't won a provincial title let alone an All-Star between them, are better than Padden, McHale, Kilgallon and Fallon who have 5 All-Stars, countless provincial titles, 6 All Ireland Final appearances etc. Have they even played in Croke Park?
You are not a Mayoman. Please don't lecture us on how to be one.
Much as I hate to say it, Zulu is correct - if you were to pick a best 15 from the past 10 years, how many Mayo lads would make it?? In fairness, not many. MacDonald is the only one who would really enter the discussion.
However, the fact is that many of the "exceptional" players from other counties which have been mentioned probably wouldn't make it either. Galvin for example is one of the best midfielders around at the moment and would make any team in the country but probably wouldn't make MF on a team from the last 20 years.
In reality, we have one back (KH) and one forward (AD) at the moment who would have a good shot at making most teams in the country and the rest are of a fairly average standard with the potential to be excellent on their day. Some (Freeman, Doherty, AO'S, McLoughlin) have the potential to be outstanding players but that remains to be seen.
Back to the game, if Galway go with Hanley & Bergin at MF, we could struggle to win ball in a big way.
Even if Mayo do announce a team today/tomorrow, I would expect a couple of changes before Sunday
QuoteYou blame us for over-rating players and then insist that Galvin and Quane, who haven't won a provincial title let alone an All-Star between them, are better than Padden, McHale, Kilgallon and Fallon who have 5 All-Stars, countless provincial titles, 6 All Ireland Final appearances etc. Have they even played in Croke Park?
Good man muppet, you are living up to your nasme and displaying all that is wrong with Mayo. Those boys played with Limerick for the love of God, sure Quane played on Limerick teams that would have been amongst the worst in Ireland. Only a proper muppet judges players sloely on what they've won. Nobody here would dispute that Galvin has been one of the best midfielders in Ireland over the past decade. If they had been born in any of the strong counties they would have All Stars at least. Anyway the point I'm making isn't about the relative merits of those players against Mayo midfielders but that other counties, like Limerick, Westmeath, Tipp and Wexford have all produced players that Mayo badly need and should be producing at least every now and again. Granted Hanley may have been that player but even if he was, one isn't a good return. If you can't grasp that basic point then there is little point discussing things with you.
QuoteYou are not a Mayoman. Please don't lecture us on how to be one.
You have to be a Mayoman to discuss Mayo football on a national discussion board do you? Grow up, I'm not lecturing you I'm debating/discussing issues and trying to support my point with examples. It isn't my fault that you can't follow the basic point or are childish enough to feel you are being lectured.
Jaysus lads, the Zulu hasn't been this thick since Rorke's Drift in 1879!
who would be favourite for this game lads? Also, anyone know which games are live on tele this week so I can plan my sunday down the boozer?
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 22, 2011, 02:34:46 PM
Jaysus lads, the Zulu hasn't been this thick since Rorke's Drift in 1879!
:D :D :D
tonto Mayo v Galway on tv at 2.00pm Sunday.
PS, if Hanley and Bergin (who I think has more average games than good ones) for Galway start and if AOS and if McGarrity's fit enough start I don't see why Mayo should lose the midfield battle on Sunday.
A lot of ifs in there I know but frigging hell I'm beginning to think a bit of positive for once about this game.
I would have to agree with Zulu. Most of our current players have not achieved their potential. Whether it is a case that they have not nurtured the talent we though they had at underage level because of either bad management or lack of determination to be the best they can, or whether it is just a general "it'll be alright" attitude from the County Board and those in charge of Mayo GAA teams I do not know.
I think Alan Dillon is our exceptional player and has been. Andy Moran has a determination about him seldom seen on the field in Mayo players and I think he is another that some other counties would look at. Neither are the top class exceptional player though that is needed to compliment other good players to win an All Ireland.
Keith Higgins has had good games and has been our best defender but you do feel that he could have been better and his speed has saved him. But he can still have another good 3/4 seasons.
Aidan O'Se, Alan Freeman, Cillian O'Connor and Jason Doherty all have the chance to be very good, but probably will not be brilliant.
And part of our big problem is that we have so many players at a similar good level that will not improve from that whether due to the fact that they are playing to the best of their ability, or whether they go off the boil.
The Review of Mayo Football by Liam Horan could have been the first step towards a more determined effort to bring Mayo football at least on an equal footing to other counties (our facilities and support structures have fallen behind in my view). That was rejected and I don't think we are going to be moving forward any time soon without somebody making a radical call.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 22, 2011, 02:53:38 PM
tonto Mayo v Galway on tv at 2.00pm Sunday.
PS, if Hanley and Bergin (who I think has more average games than good ones) for Galway start and if AOS and if McGarrity's fit enough start I don't see why Mayo should lose the midfield battle on Sunday.
A lot of ifs in there I know but frigging hell I'm beginning to think a bit of positive for once about this game.
McGarrity wont be fit enough to start. But if the two O Sheas start in midfield I would be confident enough about doin well around the middle in this one - or against anybody for that matter. If Ronan can come in at some stage it would be a bonus.
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Oh I agree Tubberman, most lads don't think you have superstars (Rosnarun excepted!) but I don't think you realise how average some of your players are. I don't want to go listing lads out but I think you don't demand enough of your players or look at why you produces oceans of decent footballers but few, if any, exceptional ones. Brick Walsh, the Waterford hurler, is a better footballer than all bar Dillon in Mayo, Ian Ryan from Limerick is a far better forward than most in Mayo, Limerick have also had two midfielders (Quane and Galvin) far better than anything Mayo have had in my memory. Carlow have a better midfield, Westmeath have produce a couple of top class players in the past 10 or so years, I could go on. Outside of McDonald have Mayo produced anyone that might be called the best footballer in Ireland during their playing days in living memory? When was the last top midfielder yev had, and don't say Brady because he wasn't, and have Mayo ever produced a gooch, bernard brogan, Stevie o'neill type scoring forward? Now maybe Mayo have and I just font remember them but for yer size and football playing population I think you have an extremely poor record of turning out real high level IC footballers.
Zulu I take it living memory for you began in 1998. ::)
I also take it Zulu is a Limerick man?
Nope. My actual had little to do with the Limerick players, they were just an example to illustrate the point.
all this talk about whether mayo players would get a game else where is a bit mad we have the answer . BJP Alan costello and God help us Austin o malley.
Fair point and all three have actually played fairly well but who are they playing for??
Wicklow & Sligo beaten first day out by Kildare & Leitrim. And despite a good win over Down, Armagh were easily beaten by Derry last weekend.
Can we try and get the thread back on track and talk about the Galway game.
I, for one, am not starting a review of 2011 before we've even played a Championship game on Irish soil!
I'm sure we'll have one of these post-mortem threads after our run in the Championship has come to an end...
QuoteI'm sure we'll have one of these post-mortem threads after our run in the Championship has come to an end...
With Sam in City West - this is the year ;)
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
Oh I agree Tubberman, most lads don't think you have superstars (Rosnarun excepted!) but I don't think you realise how average some of your players are. I don't want to go listing lads out but I think you don't demand enough of your players or look at why you produces oceans of decent footballers but few, if any, exceptional ones. Brick Walsh, the Waterford hurler, is a better footballer than all bar Dillon in Mayo, Ian Ryan from Limerick is a far better forward than most in Mayo, Limerick have also had two midfielders (Quane and Galvin) far better than anything Mayo have had in my memory. Carlow have a better midfield, Westmeath have produce a couple of top class players in the past 10 or so years, I could go on. Outside of McDonald have Mayo produced anyone that might be called the best footballer in Ireland during their playing days in living memory? When was the last top midfielder yev had, and don't say Brady because he wasn't, and have Mayo ever produced a gooch, bernard brogan, Stevie o'neill type scoring forward? Now maybe Mayo have and I just font remember them but for yer size and football playing population I think you have an extremely poor record of turning out real high level IC footballers.
Yes there not Superstars but not half bad all the same, the like's of Dillon,McGarrity,Higgins,Clarke,Moran,Trevor Mortimer etc were part of the Mayo team that got to the All Ireland final 5 years ago & these guys didn't become poor footballers all of a sudden i can imagine they along with the younger players will have a point to prove on Sunday.
1. Hennelly
2. Cunniffe
3. A.Feeney
4. Higgins
5. R. Feeney
6. Vaughan
7. T. Mortimer
8. S o Shea
9. A. o Shea
10. K. McLoughlin
11. A. Dillon
12. A. Moran
13. J. Doherty
14. A . Freeman
15. C o Connor
This is the Mayo team being speculated upon over on Green and Red. Not confirmed as of yet.
It looks a little better than the team against London. Howley, Geraghty and Barret gone, McLoughlin, Higgins, two O'Sheas and O'Connor in along with T Mort.
It's confirmed now - it's on www.mayogaa.com
1) Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
3) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
4) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Trevor Mortimer - Shrule-Glencorrib
8) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11) Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
12) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen
13) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
16) David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
17) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
18) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
19) Lee Keegan - Westport
20) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
21) Ronan McGarrity - Ballina Stephenites
22) Peadar Gardiner - Crossmolina
23) Aidan Campbell - Swinford
24) Enda Varley - Garrymore
25) Neil Douglas - Castlebar Mitchels
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
Dillon and Moran will have to show real leadership because the rest of the forwards have very little championship experience between them.
I hope Seamie O'Shea can stay fit for a while - he seems to pick up injuries in almost every game for Mayo.
Even in defence we have 3 newbies in Hennelly and the two Feeneys.
Having said that, I think it's a pretty strong team. I just hope at least one of Kilcullen and MGarritty is fit to come on at some stage if needed - and I think they will be needed.
Yeah, that team is confirmed. I hope Galway are as bad as they were in the league or we are in trouble.
I remain unconvinced with regards to Vaughan at no 6. Also why play Cillian O'Connor, who hasn't been spectacular this year so far putting him under more pressure.
I presume CO'C is in there partly for his freetaking.
If one of the corner backs is struggling, there's not much cover on the bench for that position.
Horan starting 4 of the 6 defenders that played v London is a brave choice & he's keeping faith with Freeman,Doherty after their 2pts v London. that midfield should win enough primary possession & if ye sort out the free taking (possibly O'Connor) Mayo should win this by 2-3 points.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 22, 2011, 06:28:35 PM
I presume CO'C is in there partly for his freetaking.
If one of the corner backs is struggling, there's not much cover on the bench for that position.
Dillon takes the frees for Ballintubber so that's hardly why he was picked. Unless Horan has him for taking frees on the right side. Which would be bizarre. As I was saying earlier, I wouldn't worry about our midfield. But our half-back line is going to be the losing or winning of this game.
Zulu - you are a bit off if you think Liam McHale wasn't a top level midfielder. He was the real deal. Your point about us not producing top-class players of late isn't far wrong though. We don't ever seem capable of producing a blue-chip inside forward. Is there a quantifiable reason for this? I dunno. Not every county produces these players because of their tradition or set-up. Limerick is a good example with Galvin - couldn't quite agree about Quane though. So too Browne in Tipperary.
But then if you look at Cork, they don't have a real stand-out player but are strong all over. Sure, Goulding, Walsh, O'Neill, Kerrigan show up very well but if you were to pick a key player for them this year, you'd do well to distill it down to one or two names. Kerry would be fecked without Galvin and Gooch; Dubs without Bernard Brogan; Tyrone without S O'Neill and S Cavanagh. Cork could cope without four or five starters and still be real contenders. One singular gifted player isn't always vital.
On another note I'm sure rosnarun will be delighted, no Ballina player in the starting team. When's the last time that happened in championship? Three Castlebar, three Breaffy, two Ballintubber, one Burrishoole - nine from West Mayo. We're taking over!
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 22, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
On another note I'm sure rosnarun will be delighted, no Ballina player in the starting team. When's the last time that happened in championship? Three Castlebar, three Breaffy, two Ballintubber, one Burrishoole - nine from West Mayo. We're taking over!
Notice the depression from everyone though.
http://gaaboard.com/board/index.php?topic=4009.0
;)
Hi all, haven't posted here since before the Longford game last year, hadn't a whole lot different to add to what was posted at the time and since. Looking at the team for Sunday I'd have a worry over the mobility of our midfield and the fact that we still don't seem to have a settled, structured defence. Definitly a question mark over Vaughan at CHB, although it will only be his second competitve outing in the position. The placing of Trevor Mort at wing back is something I'm not to confident about either. The one and only time he's played in that position from the start in a game of note was v Derry in 07. Yes, he played well there that day, no guarantee though that he can consistantly play there, especially if the backline come under pressure for sustained periods. As for him playing CHB as has been suggested in some quarters, NO, NO, NO! I do not believe he has the temperment or the game reading ability to play there. I would have a fully fit, motivated and on form Trevor Mortimer in the team, just not in defence. On a positive note good to see Kevin McLoughlin starting, he seemed to have a very good league campaign, why he was dropped v London was beyond me. Cillian O'Connor probably has as much right to start at corner forward as anyone after the London game, he may offer a more consistant free taking option. If he does, he'll be worth his place for that alone. The rest of the forward line is pretty much as expected, it'll be interesting to see how that line plays on Sunday, as it would appear from this selection that the sweeper system won't be used.
Quote from: bucko on June 22, 2011, 06:48:52 PM
Hi all, haven't posted here since before the Longford game last year, hadn't a whole lot different to add to what was posted at the time and since. Looking at the team for Sunday I'd have a worry over the mobility of our midfield and the fact that we still don't seem to have a settled, structured defence. Definitly a question mark over Vaughan at CHB, although it will only be his second competitve outing in the position. The placing of Trevor Mort at wing back is something I'm not to confident about either. The one and only time he's played in that position from the start in a game of note was v Derry in 07. Yes, he played well there that day, no guarantee though that he can consistantly play there, especially if the backline come under pressure for sustained periods. As for him playing CHB as has been suggested in some quarters, NO, NO, NO! I do not believe he has the temperment or the game reading ability to play there. I would have a fully fit, motivated and on form Trevor Mortimer in the team, just not in defence. On a positive note good to see Kevin McLoughlin starting, he seemed to have a very good league campaign, why he was dropped v London was beyond me. Cillian O'Connor probably has as much right to start at corner forward as anyone after the London game, he may offer a more consistant free taking option. If he does, he'll be worth his place for that alone. The rest of the forward line is pretty much as expected, it'll be interesting to see how that line plays on Sunday, as it would appear from this selection that the sweeper system won't be used.
You ought to come on more often Bucko. I'd agree with most of what you said there.
Don't be surprised if Kevin McLoughlin is given the sweeper role on Sunday.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 22, 2011, 07:11:52 PM
Don't be surprised if Kevin McLoughlin is given the sweeper role on Sunday.
From how he played in the league, I would class him more as a roving player than a sweeper. He was back helping out defence and picking up breaks, but also frequently drove forward and and chipped in a few scores. (6 points throughout the league from wing back/wing forward, 2 v London coming on at wing forward)
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 22, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
On another note I'm sure rosnarun will be delighted, no Ballina player in the starting team. When's the last time that happened in championship? Three Castlebar, three Breaffy, two Ballintubber, one Burrishoole - nine from West Mayo. We're taking over!
All ye have to do now is go and win the match ;)
Quote from: bucko on June 22, 2011, 06:48:52 PM
Hi all, haven't posted here since before the Longford game last year, hadn't a whole lot different to add to what was posted at the time and since. Looking at the team for Sunday I'd have a worry over the mobility of our midfield and the fact that we still don't seem to have a settled, structured defence. Definitly a question mark over Vaughan at CHB, although it will only be his second competitve outing in the position. The placing of Trevor Mort at wing back is something I'm not to confident about either. The one and only time he's played in that position from the start in a game of note was v Derry in 07. Yes, he played well there that day, no guarantee though that he can consistantly play there, especially if the backline come under pressure for sustained periods. As for him playing CHB as has been suggested in some quarters, NO, NO, NO! I do not believe he has the temperment or the game reading ability to play there. I would have a fully fit, motivated and on form Trevor Mortimer in the team, just not in defence. On a positive note good to see Kevin McLoughlin starting, he seemed to have a very good league campaign, why he was dropped v London was beyond me. Cillian O'Connor probably has as much right to start at corner forward as anyone after the London game, he may offer a more consistant free taking option. If he does, he'll be worth his place for that alone. The rest of the forward line is pretty much as expected, it'll be interesting to see how that line plays on Sunday, as it would appear from this selection that the sweeper system won't be used.
Just that the last few years showed that Trevor wasn t able to play in attack - especially 11.
The team is still set up to play sweeper if they wan t to go that way. McLoughlin will sweep or whatever and Freeman or O Connor will drop off into a more playmaker role.
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2011, 08:26:44 PM
Quote from: bucko on June 22, 2011, 06:48:52 PM
Hi all, haven't posted here since before the Longford game last year, hadn't a whole lot different to add to what was posted at the time and since. Looking at the team for Sunday I'd have a worry over the mobility of our midfield and the fact that we still don't seem to have a settled, structured defence. Definitly a question mark over Vaughan at CHB, although it will only be his second competitve outing in the position. The placing of Trevor Mort at wing back is something I'm not to confident about either. The one and only time he's played in that position from the start in a game of note was v Derry in 07. Yes, he played well there that day, no guarantee though that he can consistantly play there, especially if the backline come under pressure for sustained periods. As for him playing CHB as has been suggested in some quarters, NO, NO, NO! I do not believe he has the temperment or the game reading ability to play there. I would have a fully fit, motivated and on form Trevor Mortimer in the team, just not in defence. On a positive note good to see Kevin McLoughlin starting, he seemed to have a very good league campaign, why he was dropped v London was beyond me. Cillian O'Connor probably has as much right to start at corner forward as anyone after the London game, he may offer a more consistant free taking option. If he does, he'll be worth his place for that alone. The rest of the forward line is pretty much as expected, it'll be interesting to see how that line plays on Sunday, as it would appear from this selection that the sweeper system won't be used.
Just that the last few years showed that Trevor wasn t able to play in attack - especially 11.
The team is still set up to play sweeper if they wan t to go that way. McLoughlin will sweep or whatever and Freeman or O Connor will drop off into a more playmaker role.
I wonder is there a plan B, if this sweeper game doesn't work, or we are not generating enough scores from our possession or if Galway suss us out, do we have the leaders or the ability within the team to plot a different course mid-game? Following the London debacle, i doubt it. We have never got anything soft from Galway for the last thirty years i ahve been watching Mayo and i dont see that changing on Sunday. If the game doesn't work out in our favour, we could end up like the Galway hurlers quite quickly. Not feeling too confident in this, but Horan is a good man and i'm sure he has thought of this.
It's hard to believe the 2 teams are still in the championship.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 22, 2011, 06:21:14 PM
1) Robert Hennelly - Breaffy
2) Tom Cunniffe - Castlebar Mitchels
3) Alan Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
4) Keith Higgins - Ballyhaunis
5) Richie Feeney - Castlebar Mitchels
6) Donal Vaughan - Ballinrobe
7) Trevor Mortimer - Shrule-Glencorrib
8) Seamus O'Shea - Breaffy
9) Aidan O'Shea - Breaffy
10) Kevin McLoughlin - Knockmore
11) Alan Dillon - Ballintubber
12) Andy Moran - Ballaghaderreen
13) Cillian O'Connor - Ballintubber
14) Alan Freeman - Aghamore
15) Jason Doherty - Burrishoole
16) David Clarke - Ballina Stephenites
17) Ger Cafferkey - Ballina Stephenites
18) Chris Barrett - Belmullet
19) Lee Keegan - Westport
20) James Kilcullen - Ballaghaderreen
21) Ronan McGarrity - Ballina Stephenites
22) Peadar Gardiner - Crossmolina
23) Aidan Campbell - Swinford
24) Enda Varley - Garrymore
25) Neil Douglas - Castlebar Mitchels
26) Mark Ronaldson - Shrule-Glencorrib
Interesting team, its as expected really and I guess its the best foot forward considering injuries and what not.
I am a bit disappointed that Jason Gibbons didnt make the cut ahead of McGarity but maybe his confidence or form has dropped since London. One thing is for sure, he was no worse than anyone around him and I dont blame him or Kilcullen for not wining the breaks that day.
Just trying to figure out who was left out of the 26 named; I think Gibbons, Howley, Eoin O Reilly, Geraghty, Burke, Cathal Freeman are in that bracket for various reasons I am sure.
All in all I have confidence in all the forwards, as I dont think we are weak upfront at all so we should trouble the Galway defence. Obviously we need a big game from the O Sheas and maybe we will get it. In defence, I am not convinced by Vaughan as a centre back and I am sticking to my guns regarding the idea of Trev playing there, if he is commanding there at club level (more so than Vaughan even) then it might be worth a try. But we should be willing to give Vaughan another chance at it.
Looking at Abbeysider's last paragraph, he seems to be speaking like a man that has just picked the team! :D
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2011, 08:37:40 PM
It's hard to believe the 2 teams are still in the championship.
:D :D :D
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 22, 2011, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2011, 08:37:40 PM
It's hard to believe the 2 teams are still in the championship.
:D :D :D
found myself laughing at that comment as well :D
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 22, 2011, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 22, 2011, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2011, 08:37:40 PM
It's hard to believe the 2 teams are still in the championship.
:D :D :D
found myself laughing at that comment as well :D
Same as that. Could be a shocking small crowd. People are afraid to go maybe. At least at home you can hide behind the sofa and give Brolly a fuckin.
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2011, 10:24:30 PM
Quote from: the Deel Rover on June 22, 2011, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 22, 2011, 09:58:46 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 22, 2011, 08:37:40 PM
It's hard to believe the 2 teams are still in the championship.
:D :D :D
found myself laughing at that comment as well :D
Same as that. Could be a shocking small crowd. People are afraid to go maybe. At least at home you can hide behind the sofa and give Brolly a fuckin.
i'm in 2 minds especially on account of the poor representation from North Mayo ;) in fairness 25 yo yo s is fairly steep imo
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 22, 2011, 09:12:55 PM
Looking at Abbeysider's last paragraph, he seems to be speaking like a man that has just picked the team! :D
:D :D :D
Couldnt be furthur from reality, not near enough Ballintubber lads playing! ;)
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Mayo complacent
Nothing to do with complacency. It's the players and skill set that was wrong. JH needs to drop at 7 to 10 players from that starting team / panel. In fact a team that goes out and disgraces the jersey the way they did on Sunday all need to be dropped aka the Mayo team v Sligo (and lost) in the 70's. However that is too much a nuclear option in the modern era.
Its probably too late in the day to recruit a whole new panel so he might just have to do a Mick O'Dwyer this year and leave the 7 to 10 poor players on the bench for the rest of the season.
Bottom line is we still don't have a championship standard full back line, midfield, CHB, CHF or full forward.
We would be aswell to start the O'Shea brothers in mid-field the next day, trevor mort at CHF, and howley at full back and bring back Geraghty. I would start Gardiner and McLoughlin also. Luck enough that panels are so big these days.
Happy enough with that team and some of the changes were as I predicted after the London game. Pity Howley is injured. Who will take the frees?
Quote from: highorlow on June 22, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
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Mayo complacent
Nothing to do with complacency. It's the players and skill set that was wrong. JH needs to drop at 7 to 10 players from that starting team / panel. In fact a team that goes out and disgraces the jersey the way they did on Sunday all need to be dropped aka the Mayo team v Sligo (and lost) in the 70's. However that is too much a nuclear option in the modern era.
Its probably too late in the day to recruit a whole new panel so he might just have to do a Mick O'Dwyer this year and leave the 7 to 10 poor players on the bench for the rest of the season.
Bottom line is we still don't have a championship standard full back line, midfield, CHB, CHF or full forward.
We would be aswell to start the O'Shea brothers in mid-field the next day, trevor mort at CHF, and howley at full back and bring back Geraghty. I would start Gardiner and McLoughlin also. Luck enough that panels are so big these days.
Happy enough with that team and some of the changes were as I predicted after the London game. Pity Howley is injured. Who will take the frees?
Dillon. And O Connor. And Andy. Freeman might chance a couple. Aidan might try one. Richie Feeney and Hennelly will share the 45s. Campbell will have a go when he s introduced. Kevin McLoughlin can swing one over with the left. :-\
good luck to mayo on sunday. please be ferocious, its why you trained so hard.
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2011, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 01:37:26 PM
Hell I'm getting frustrated writing this, if I were a Mayo man living in Mayo I'd be kicking up holy war.
You are not a Mayoman. Please don't lecture us on how to be one.
;)
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Quote from: spectator on June 22, 2011, 11:40:06 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 22, 2011, 01:53:56 PM
Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 01:37:26 PM
Hell I'm getting frustrated writing this, if I were a Mayo man living in Mayo I'd be kicking up holy war.
You are not a Mayoman. Please don't lecture us on how to be one.
;)
(http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/Pictures/web/a/v/d/End_not_nigh.jpg)
I reserve the right to navigate myself onto my own rocks without some hoor lecturing me that I'm doing it wrong.
Seriously though it is depressing to read how many Mayo supporters join in the gratuitous bashing of our players, past and present, by some wind up merchant. How do we expect the players to have a back-bone when there are so many of their so called supporters who don't have one?
However win on Sunday and all will be the complete opposite again, way too much of the opposite.
Back to the team. I hope Trevor switches with McLoughlin and Ronan is fit enough to play some part if needed. But we should still win.
Quote from: moysider on June 22, 2011, 11:29:36 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 22, 2011, 11:21:18 PM
QuoteQuote
Mayo complacent
Nothing to do with complacency. It's the players and skill set that was wrong. JH needs to drop at 7 to 10 players from that starting team / panel. In fact a team that goes out and disgraces the jersey the way they did on Sunday all need to be dropped aka the Mayo team v Sligo (and lost) in the 70's. However that is too much a nuclear option in the modern era.
Its probably too late in the day to recruit a whole new panel so he might just have to do a Mick O'Dwyer this year and leave the 7 to 10 poor players on the bench for the rest of the season.
Bottom line is we still don't have a championship standard full back line, midfield, CHB, CHF or full forward.
We would be aswell to start the O'Shea brothers in mid-field the next day, trevor mort at CHF, and howley at full back and bring back Geraghty. I would start Gardiner and McLoughlin also. Luck enough that panels are so big these days.
Happy enough with that team and some of the changes were as I predicted after the London game. Pity Howley is injured. Who will take the frees?
Dillon. And O Connor. And Andy. Freeman might chance a couple. Aidan might try one. Richie Feeney and Hennelly will share the 45s. Campbell will have a go when he s introduced. Kevin McLoughlin can swing one over with the left. :-\
It's a pity Paddy Bluett isn't still around. (Remember him?) He might be as good as any to have a go.
Its a pity that Bluett isnt around indeed or more the pity that the men he saw arent around to take the frees either. Joe Corcoran would point them still and him in his mid 60s. At present we have not ONE single player that can kick a 50. We have not ONE that can be relied on to point a 21 yard free that is not direct in front of the post.
Instead of Twittering and captains and vice captains giving boring interviews it might suit them better to take a bag of balls, find a telegraph pole and start aiming shots at that , then progress to goalposts.
I am mortified at the pathetic efforts at frees we see at the moment from Mayo players. Wexford, Donegal, Laois, Down, Kerry, Dublin,Cork, Carlow, London... ffng everbody has a free taker. We have eight, nine or ten, all equally useless. I am going to watch this one through my fingers and the backdoor match v Armagh through the curtains.
By the way , any body old enough to recall the last time a Mayo man pointed a 45/50 as we called them when I was a boy?
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 23, 2011, 11:47:56 AM
Its a pity that Bluett isnt around indeed or more the pity that the men he saw arent around to take the frees either. Joe Corcoran would point them still and him in his mid 60s. At present we have not ONE single player that can kick a 50. We have not ONE that can be relied on to point a 21 yard free that is not direct in front of the post.
Instead of Twittering and captains and vice captains giving boring interviews it might suit them better to take a bag of balls, find a telegraph pole and start aiming shots at that , then progress to goalposts.
I am mortified at the pathetic efforts at frees we see at the moment from Mayo players. Wexford, Donegal, Laois, Down, Kerry, Dublin,Cork, Carlow, London... ffng everbody has a free taker. We have eight, nine or ten, all equally useless. I am going to watch this one through my fingers and the backdoor match v Armagh through the curtains.
By the way , any body old enough to recall the last time a Mayo man pointed a 45/50 as we called them when I was a boy?
Your statement about 21 yard frees is a bit of an exaggeration.
As I said before the only reason there was different free takes against London was because both our free takers got substituted. Dillon got injured and taken off so Andy took over from him, and Campbell was replaced so Cillian O Connor took over from the right.
Andy lost confidence after missing a couple of scorable frees late in the game and Aidan O Shea took a free off him but when you take the substitutions into account its not all that it is being made out to be.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 23, 2011, 11:47:56 AM
Its a pity that Bluett isnt around indeed or more the pity that the men he saw arent around to take the frees either. Joe Corcoran would point them still and him in his mid 60s. At present we have not ONE single player that can kick a 50. We have not ONE that can be relied on to point a 21 yard free that is not direct in front of the post.
Instead of Twittering and captains and vice captains giving boring interviews it might suit them better to take a bag of balls, find a telegraph pole and start aiming shots at that , then progress to goalposts.
I am mortified at the pathetic efforts at frees we see at the moment from Mayo players. Wexford, Donegal, Laois, Down, Kerry, Dublin,Cork, Carlow, London... ffng everbody has a free taker. We have eight, nine or ten, all equally useless. I am going to watch this one through my fingers and the backdoor match v Armagh through the curtains.
By the way , any body old enough to recall the last time a Mayo man pointed a 45/50 as we called them when I was a boy?
Maurice Sheridan was the last man to hit them consistently.
I think Hennelly should hit them and any other kickable free from 35/40 metres out. Cluxton got 3 points the last day. Dillon should take the closer in ones on his side and O'Connor on the other.
It does show up that we do miss C Mort a bit in this regard, while he could never hit 45s he was very reliable within his range.
Quote from: kevmy on June 23, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
Maurice Sheridan was the last man to hit them consistently.
I think Hennelly should hit them and any other kickable free from 35/40 metres out. Cluxton got 3 points the last day. Dillon should take the closer in ones on his side and O'Connor on the other.
It does show up that we do miss C Mort a bit in this regard, while he could never hit 45s he was very reliable within his range.
I would leave the ones on the right to a naturally left footed player like McGloughlin.
Hennelly shouldnt take anything inside 45 metres as inter county pitches are so large these days that it would take him all day to get up the pitch, and if it drops short or the ball does not go dead he would be on a mad scramble back and we could get punished.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 23, 2011, 12:19:53 PM
Quote from: kevmy on June 23, 2011, 12:09:21 PM
Maurice Sheridan was the last man to hit them consistently.
I think Hennelly should hit them and any other kickable free from 35/40 metres out. Cluxton got 3 points the last day. Dillon should take the closer in ones on his side and O'Connor on the other.
It does show up that we do miss C Mort a bit in this regard, while he could never hit 45s he was very reliable within his range.
I would leave the ones on the right to a naturally left footed player like McGloughlin.
Hennelly shouldnt take anything inside 45 metres as inter county pitches are so large these days that it would take him all day to get up the pitch, and if it drops short or the ball does not go dead he would be on a mad scramble back and we could get punished.
Is O'Connor not able to kick off both feet? If not then I agree with you.
As regards Hennelly he would have to either point it or kick is dead. I don't think I've ever seen a goalie get caught out by this at intercounty level. It's much more of a possibility in hurling yet we've often see the likes of Damien Fitzhenry or Davy Fitzgerald take penalties never mind 45's
hurling has 65s because the ball goes further. 45s are fuball.
Maybe when Mayo are playing they could reduce the distance to 25.
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2011, 12:33:35 PM
hurling has 65s because the ball goes further. 45s are fuball.
Maybe when Mayo are playing they could reduce the distance to 25.
:D :D :D
Quote from: kevmy on June 23, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
Is O'Connor not able to kick off both feet? If not then I agree with you.
Yes he is but he is more naturally right footed.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 23, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 23, 2011, 11:47:56 AM
Its a pity that Bluett isnt around indeed or more the pity that the men he saw arent around to take the frees either. Joe Corcoran would point them still and him in his mid 60s. At present we have not ONE single player that can kick a 50. We have not ONE that can be relied on to point a 21 yard free that is not direct in front of the post.
Instead of Twittering and captains and vice captains giving boring interviews it might suit them better to take a bag of balls, find a telegraph pole and start aiming shots at that , then progress to goalposts.
I am mortified at the pathetic efforts at frees we see at the moment from Mayo players. Wexford, Donegal, Laois, Down, Kerry, Dublin,Cork, Carlow, London... ffng everbody has a free taker. We have eight, nine or ten, all equally useless. I am going to watch this one through my fingers and the backdoor match v Armagh through the curtains.
By the way , any body old enough to recall the last time a Mayo man pointed a 45/50 as we called them when I was a boy?
Your statement about 21 yard frees is a bit of an exaggeration.
As I said before the only reason there was different free takes against London was because both our free takers got substituted. Dillon got injured and taken off so Andy took over from him, and Campbell was replaced so Cillian O Connor took over from the right.
Andy lost confidence after missing a couple of scorable frees late in the game and Aidan O Shea took a free off him but when you take the substitutions into account its not all that it is being made out to be.
Although both were replaced the records show that neither scored a feee prior to their replacement. In fact, apart from Moran who got two frees (one in extra time), the only other Mayoman of the seven who tried their luck was Hennelly from a 45. That's a shocking day out in anyones book.
I would be careful about laughing about Mayo freetakers because one of these days they'll surely stick a pile of them over the bar from every angle. Probably against Ros. They are clearly developing their own version of Dutch total football only it's total freetaking – every player at anytime can be the freetaker. Even the subs running on the pitch are likely to take a stab at sticking one over. And in my opinion, that's not only innovative, its impressive.
Deel Rover
The parallels between your footballers and our hurlers are striking.
Maybe they will both surprise everyone over the next 2 weeks.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on June 23, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
I would be careful about laughing about Mayo freetakers because one of these days they'll surely stick a pile of them over the bar from every angle. Probably against Ros. They are clearly developing their own version of Dutch total football only it's total freetaking – every player at anytime can be the freetaker. Even the subs running on the pitch are likely to take a stab at sticking one over. And in my opinion, that's not only innovative, its impressive.
Mayo players rarely have problems knocking it over the black spot when they play us e.g Cillian O'Connor frees last June beat us in Minor & in the FBD last Jan Mark Ronaldson accuracy from frees won it.
Never seen such despondency from the Mayo supporters on this board. Nearly feel sorry for them. Nearly....
Quote from: ross matt on June 23, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
Never seen such despondency from the Mayo supporters on this board. Nearly feel sorry for them. Nearly....
Save your approaching sympathy until Monday morning :'(
Lads, I don't know how in God's holy hell McLoughlin is down to take a free. He hasn't taken any of note for Knockmore which are usually taken by Killer and Munnelly. Typical Mayo style though, we like to big him up if we're in bother aainst Galway in the freetaking department. :-\
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 23, 2011, 05:14:14 PM
Lads, I don't know how in God's holy hell McLoughlin is down to take a free. He hasn't taken any of note for Knockmore which are usually taken by Killer and Munnelly. Typical Mayo style though, we like to big him up if we're in bother aainst Galway in the freetaking department. :-\
Nobody is lumping anyone in, its just speculation and guess work. I only suggested it as he was the only left footed forward starting (I think)
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 23, 2011, 12:07:53 PM
Your statement about 21 yard frees is a bit of an exaggeration.
As I said before the only reason there was different free takes against London was because both our free takers got substituted. Dillon got injured and taken off so Andy took over from him, and Campbell was replaced so Cillian O Connor took over from the right.
Andy lost confidence after missing a couple of scorable frees late in the game and Aidan O Shea took a free off him but when you take the substitutions into account its not all that it is being made out to be.
Ah here! What about the rest of the free takers (Hennelly, Doherty & Freeman according to Redcol who is rarely wrong) ?? Can you not just admit that free taking was a shambles in that game???
Oh and why do you always spell McGloughliin???
Quote from: ross matt on June 23, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
Never seen such despondency from the Mayo supporters on this board. Nearly feel sorry for them. Nearly....
They were much worse 3 weeks ago.
How are Galway shaping up? I want a proper answer, not 'oh we're crap cos we were relegated 11 odd weeks ago' answer. ;)
oh we're crap cos we were relegated 11 odd weeks ago. ;D
To be honest, I don't know what to expect from this Galway team and I don't think anyone can predict either with any great accuracy.
From reports of the most likely teams from this thread Galway will enter the match will a new full back, centre back, centre forward and our normal full back playing midfield. That's the entire spine of the team!! The only constant is Padraig Joyce and am afraid he will have to carry our hopes in the forward line. Bane is hit or miss, he can be anonymous in games, and in particular in open play but can be a poacher too. I assume they are hoping Conroy will be the new Donaghy but I'm not sure. I would prefer Bradshaw in the half back line taking the game to the opposition as I don't think he will score enough as a forward.
There are too many questions to be honest and I'm not sure I will like the answer. I think we will battle and considering how many games in the last few years we lost by one point that may be the obvious choice, given where the two teams are I would forsee with home advantage a narrow Mayo win of a couple of points.
It will come down to whichever team scores the most frees .
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2011, 09:28:34 PM
It will come down to whichever team scores the most frees .
Or fouls the least!
The Galway Senior team for Sunday has four players new to the Senior Championship , Colin Forde, Johnny Duane, Greg Higgins and no 11 Mark Hehir
1 Adrian Faherty
2 Alan Burke
3 Colin Forde
4 Johnny Duane
5 Gary O'Donnell
6 Greg Higgins
7 Gary Sice
8 Joe Bergin
9 Finian Hanley
10 Owen Concannon
11 Mark Hehir
12 Garreth Bradshaw
13 Padraig Joyce
14 Paul Conroy
15 Cormac Bane
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 23, 2011, 10:02:20 PM
1 Adrian Faherty
2 Alan Burke
3 Colin Forde
4 Johnny Duane
5 Gary O'Donnell
6 Greg Higgins
7 Gary Sice
8 Joe Bergin
9 Finian Hanley
10 Owen Concannon
11 Mark Hehir
12 Garreth Bradshaw
13 Padraig Joyce
14 Paul Conroy
15 Cormac Bane
In bold are players that started the League game v Mayo in Tuam.
Christ thats a poor Galway team. Mayo by 5 or 6. Could be even more painful than that for Galway and we could open the floodgates altogether and win by 10 to 15.
I think a lot depends upon our experienced palyers like Bergin, Hanley and Joyce. We have to do well at midfield considering we have three debutants in the backline. The backline looks weak to me, hopefully I'm proved wrong but I worry about our lack of pace there.
I would say the long ball into Conroy would be the idea with PJ and Bane to try to pick up the pieces around him, interesting to see if that works out. I think we need goals to win, at least 2 to my mind.
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2011, 10:34:37 PM
Christ thats a poor Galway team. Mayo by 5 or 6. Could be even more painful than that for Galway and we could open the floodgates altogether and win by 10 to 15.
Hope you re right highorlow. I m not to well up on a few of those Galway lads but I wouldn t write them off at all. Any young lads that dismantled a Cork U21 side that was rated as one of the best ever has to be respected. Besides Galway traditionally can beat our better sides with ordinary teams by their standards. I m thinking about 87 and 90 when we would have been fancying our chances for a long summer and they were in recession. Even 98 I remember a friend of mine in Castlebar going 'who the f*** is Derek Savage... what has he done?
Flaherta is no daw and there is a reason for picking Bradshaw there as well. As well as being an extra ball winner I suspect he may do a Kevin McL role and drop deep and drive on from there. Important Mayo win midfield and Trevor keeps him on the back foot. Horan will have his homework done on these new fellas anyway and will have every angle covered.
Conroy playing full-forward would suggest that Galway are considering route 1 an option anyway. Easy for any manager playing Mayo. High and long into the square usually gets rewarded a good bit of the time. We re just going to have to live with it until we stop conceding goals in this way. While I believe Hennelly is a fine keeper I would go with Clarkey still. He s a leader in the squad now and is more experienced and is thicker about attacking ball into the square. Any forward will think twice about being brave if Clarle is coming off his line. Anyway I m still more hopeful than confident.
i really cant see galway coming with in 10 to 12 points of mayo.
they remind me of Roscommon 2 years ago rushing young lads onto the team not because they are any good but they have no one else and with that and lads that are past it and those that ncould have but never made it i dont think were in for a very competitive afternoon.
whereas horan seems to be realizing just because you throw a Mayo jersey on some one it doesn't make them a county player mayo are doing well to have 15 county players and def ont have the 50 odd that he has played to date.
if C o connor hits his free like we know he can the jersey iss his till he's 35..or at least till C Mort comes back
Its certainly an interesting team. But according to recent reports about challenge matches etc. it is the team that Galway were expected to name.
I'd have concerns about Alan Burke at number 2, Gary O'Donnell at 5, Greg Higgins at 6 and Bradshaw at 12. There isnt a whole lot of scoring potential in that Galway forward line. Bane can be good but can be anonymous too; Conroy isnt a natural forward; Bradshaw has played most of his career in the backs or at midfield (Although I stand by my view that he is too small for inter county midfield), Mark Hehir scores a lot for Milltown but for the U-21's was more inclined to drift out the field and pull the strings rather than score himself. Therefore, you are looking at Concannon & Joyce to get you a lot of the scores.
I think Galway may have an advantage at midfield; If Bergin can put in a better performance than he has in recent championship matches. Some of the local media suggested that Diarmuid Blake was pushing hard for a place after recently coming back from injury and that it was not necessarily in defence. Therefore, he must have been vying for a place with Bradshaw? I am poretty sure we will him introduced at some stage on Sunday; If any back is in trouble, he will be brought on, if midfield is in trouble, he could be called on to.
Its a hard game to call because both teams have been so poor recently...but I fancy Galway purely because they seem to be on an upward trend whereas Mayo seem to be on a downward trend.Although Mayo may have hit the bottom when the struggled against London
Quote from: rosnarun on June 24, 2011, 12:29:17 AM
i really cant see galway coming with in 10 to 12 points of mayo.
they remind me of Roscommon 2 years ago rushing young lads onto the team not because they are any good but they have no one else and with that and lads that are past it and those that ncould have but never made it i dont think were in for a very competitive afternoon.
whereas horan seems to be realizing just because you throw a Mayo jersey on some one it doesn't make them a county player mayo are doing well to have 15 county players and def ont have the 50 odd that he has played to date.
if C o connor hits his free like we know he can the jersey iss his till he's 35..or at least till C Mort comes back
You do know only 3 of the Galway U21 team is on that starting line & those 3 are fine additions to the team. the rest of the players have been round for years & i would say Mayo have a younger team.
For Galway to win PJ will have to roll back the years & Bane will have to have a similar game to the one he had v Mayo in 2007 but i feel Mayo with home advantage & having a competitive game already under their belts should win it by 3-4 pts
I don't have much expectation for this game given the talent we are misisng up front but hopefully we are at least competitive and avoid a 12 or 15 point beating.
In 2003 Joe Bergin made hay against an immobile Mayo midfield of Gill and Kelly - scored 5 points. That would be a big concern on Sunday if he allowed to win possession.
Quotethey remind me of Roscommon 2 years ago rushing young lads onto the team not because they are any good but they have no one else
Bit of a lazy analysis there rosnarun... 3 under 21s is hardly rushing a load of young lads onto the team is it?
2 of them played in the league before the Galway u-21s played at all in the championship this year so it is hardly a reaction to the u-21 victory. There were other good players on that u-21 team who haven't been thrown in. Hehir gets in probably because we are short up front without the likes of Meehan,Armstrong and Nicky Joyce. He is well worth his place imo.
That's not a good Galway team on paper though. I don't think Duane has the pace for corner back. He was excellent at number 6 for the u-21s but I think his lack of pace could be exposed by a speedy corner forward. Alan Burke showed last year as well that he's not tight enough for corner back.He is a wing back and there's a huge difference between those poisitions. Gary O'Donnell has never convinced me as a county footballer either.
Our midfield is average at best. Joe Bergin has not pushed on since he starred in the 2002 u-21 final against the Dubs. As Barney said - he made hay against Mayo in the 2003 Connacht final but has hardly played a good game for Galway since. He has been extremely disappointing given the potential he showed at that time. Hanley is not a midfielder and I don't think this experiment will last too long. Joyce,Bane and Hehir are the only scorers in that forwardline. The other 3 won't get scores consistently. As for Galway pumping long high ball into Conroy - well he is not exactly the tallest of players - barely touching 6 foot tall I would say so I don't see that as an option.
Overall - Mayo should win. I'd be more confident if Mike Meehan, Armstrong and Nicky were on board as all are capable of scoring and a forwardline of those 3 along with PJ,Bane and Hehir would have a lot of potential
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 24, 2011, 04:42:28 AM
I don't have much expectation for this game given the talent we are misisng up front but hopefully we are at least competitive and avoid a 12 or 15 point beating.
In order for Mayo to win by 15 points they would need to convert 15 scoring opportunities.
They would need to score at least 5 frees. It is a tall order.
Quote from: seafoid on June 23, 2011, 09:28:34 PM
It will come down to whichever team scores the most frees .
It will come down to whichever team scores the most frees .
I'd be in full agreement with you, seafoid, if you were to knock out the last word in the above statement. ;D
I won't be betting too much on the outcome and that's for sure. Galway seem to be harder hit by injuries than Mayo and that is the main reason why I expect a narrow Mayo win.
As I see it, Galway won't implode on the day –I wish the same could be said of Mayo but sin sceal eile. If Mayo somehow manage to keep Pee Joyce under control and Joe Bergin fails to keep going full blast for the whole game, I feel Mayo have enough to shade it. Both Pee and Joe have been class acts throughout their careers but I feel they mightn't be able to last the pace for the whole game.
Bradshaw, Conroy and Bane are others who could trouble any defence o n their better days but I'm just hoping they won't get enough midfield ball to do serious damage. Other than that, there are too many ifs, buts and maybes involved for me to do anything than fall back on what I said at the start.
Abbeysider. No I am not exaggerating about 21 yard frees either side of the post. Dillon is a regular at missing them. Another thing, I recall Mayo missing three 14 yard frees in All Ireland finals. Ciaran Mac v Kerry in 1997, and the minor forward of 2008 v Tyrone and 2009 v Armagh, same guy both times. A Kerry man who sat beside me in 2009 could not believe it.
Do you see Kerry, Kildare, Wexford, Dublin, Cork, Donegal or Roscommon subcontracting the job out to every tom dick and harry on the pitch. What next for Mayo,an announcement over the tannoy asking if some fella in the crowd is he handy with the auld frees and would he call to the Mayo dressing room at half time.
Truly we have sunk and next Sunday will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Abbeysider. No I am not exaggerating about 21 yard frees either side of the post. Dillon is a regular at missing them. Another thing, I recall Mayo missing three 14 yard frees in All Ireland finals. Ciaran Mac v Kerry in 1997, and the minor forward of 2008 v Tyrone and 2009 v Armagh, same guy both times. A Kerry man who sat beside me in 2009 could not believe it.
Do you see Kerry, Kildare, Wexford, Dublin, Cork, Donegal or Roscommon subcontracting the job out to every tom dick and harry on the pitch. What next for Mayo,an announcement over the tannoy asking if some fella in the crowd is he handy with the auld frees and would he call to the Mayo dressing room at half time.
Truly we have sunk and next Sunday will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
Slightly OTT there Johnny... ::)
With support like that, we don't need the Rossies or Tribesmen shouting against us.
The day we start to move into the real world and stop fooling ourselves is the day we rise from our ever bended knee. I will always support the team and county. I will never ever paper over the utter and dire set up that currently passes for football in the county. From 1993-2005 we had teams in Croke park from the clubs every second year. Since then what? Time we woke up and saw where we are. Admitting the truth is the first step to recovery.
tubberman
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
I don't buy that. Why do Mayo fall so often? They have to get up anyway .
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
tubberman
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
I don't buy that. Why do Mayo fall so often? They have to get up anyway .
I love pedantic Friday
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2011, 01:52:29 PM
tubberman
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."
I don't buy that. Why do Mayo fall so often? They have to get up anyway .
They don't
have to get up. They could sit there feeling sorry themselves saying "What's the point? Sure we're shite. Might as well lie here and take it easy".
That analogy ok for you? ;)
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
The day we start to move into the real world and stop fooling ourselves is the day we rise from our ever bended knee. I will always support the team and county. I will never ever paper over the utter and dire set up that currently passes for football in the county. From 1993-2005 we had teams in Croke park from the clubs every second year. Since then what? Time we woke up and saw where we are. Admitting the truth is the first step to recovery.
Not a thing wrong with highlighting the inadequacies in the county (both club and intercounty), but writing off the team before the match has even started is unfair IMO.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
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*garbage and negativity*
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Truly we have sunk and next Sunday will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
You will be eating your words on Monday. Im backing Mayo by 4-6 points on PaddyPower at 9/2. Nice bet.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
The day we start to move into the real world and stop fooling ourselves is the day we rise from our ever bended knee. I will always support the team and county. I will never ever paper over the utter and dire set up that currently passes for football in the county. From 1993-2005 we had teams in Croke park from the clubs every second year. Since then what? Time we woke up and saw where we are. Admitting the truth is the first step to recovery.
Who is debating we are where we were in the past or denying where we are now?
In recent previous years not near enough young players have been developed which leaves us where we are, at a team building stage right back at the beginning. Nobody is arguing that we should be in Croke Park.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 24, 2011, 02:19:00 PM
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
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*garbage and negativity*
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Truly we have sunk and next Sunday will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
You will be eating your words on Monday. Im backing Mayo by 4-6 points on PaddyPower at 9/2. Nice bet.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:48:23 PM
The day we start to move into the real world and stop fooling ourselves is the day we rise from our ever bended knee. I will always support the team and county. I will never ever paper over the utter and dire set up that currently passes for football in the county. From 1993-2005 we had teams in Croke park from the clubs every second year. Since then what? Time we woke up and saw where we are. Admitting the truth is the first step to recovery.
Who is debating we are where we were in the past or denying where we are now?
In recent previous years not near enough young players have been developed which leaves us where we are, at a team building stage right back at the beginning. Nobody is arguing that we should be in Croke Park.
I'm arguing Mayo should be in Croke Park. With the playing population in the county Mayo should be last eight every year.
If Mayo do beat Galway by 4-6 points I think they will be in Croke Park later this summer. Best of luck with your bet.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 24, 2011, 02:47:06 PM
I'm arguing Mayo should be in Croke Park. With the playing population in the county Mayo should be last eight every year.
If Mayo do beat Galway by 4-6 points I think they will be in Croke Park later this summer. Best of luck with your bet.
Thanks Iolar, and I definitely see yourself and johnnys points.
Sure we should be aiming at the quarter finals and further, but we have to get past Galway and Roscommon on the way which is a big task with such a new panel of players. Not impossible though!
eh rhubarbs and tribesmen.... ye'er not doing much to talk up Connacht football here. Never thought I'd say this but I kinda yearn for the days ye used to big ye'erselves up and slate us. Come on! There has to be some of that misplaced superiority complex lurking there in the subconscious. I want to be able to chill and learn from this feast of football on Sunday. At the rate ye'er talkin there is a danger neither side will show up on Sunday!
Dontcha love the Rossies when they win a match. Against Leitrim.
It is not fair to torment the Mayo contingent. Not until Monday, providing they have won.
I can see a lot of neutrals not turning on the tv until the Dublin Kildare game starts to be honest.
We're 'the poor relation' (I'm talking about Rossies/Heronchokers/Mayos/Sligonians/Laythrums here) as Keith Barr has us down in his column in the Indo today and I fully agree with him.
I just cannot see how too many people will watch this game especially given the last few years Connacht hasn't even produced a semi-finalist. Perhaps that's why we're too afraid to shout and be superior ross4life. The fact of the matter is, whatever about Roscommon, Galway and Mayo especially most certainly are not
Mayo will win the all-Ireland before Ros do.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
I can see a lot of neutrals not turning on the tv until the Dublin Kildare game starts to be honest.
We're 'the poor relation' (I'm talking about Rossies/Heronchokers/Mayos/Sligonians/Laythrums here) as Keith Barr has us down in his column in the Indo today and I fully agree with him.
I just cannot see how too many people will watch this game especially given the last few years Connacht hasn't even produced a semi-finalist. Perhaps that's why we're too afraid to shout and be superior ross4life. The fact of the matter is, whatever about Roscommon, Galway and Mayo especially most certainly are not
???
Quote from: ross4life on June 24, 2011, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
I can see a lot of neutrals not turning on the tv until the Dublin Kildare game starts to be honest.
We're 'the poor relation' (I'm talking about Rossies/Heronchokers/Mayos/Sligonians/Laythrums here) as Keith Barr has us down in his column in the Indo today and I fully agree with him.
I just cannot see how too many people will watch this game especially given the last few years Connacht hasn't even produced a semi-finalist. Perhaps that's why we're too afraid to shout and be superior ross4life. The fact of the matter is, whatever about Roscommon, Galway and Mayo especially most certainly are not
???
Whoops, mistaked you and ross matt.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
I can see a lot of neutrals not turning on the tv until the Dublin Kildare game starts to be honest.
We're 'the poor relation' (I'm talking about Rossies/Heronchokers/Mayos/Sligonians/Laythrums here) as Keith Barr has us down in his column in the Indo today and I fully agree with him.
I just cannot see how too many people will watch this game especially given the last few years Connacht hasn't even produced a semi-finalist. Perhaps that's why we're too afraid to shout and be superior ross4life. The fact of the matter is, whatever about Roscommon, Galway and Mayo especially most certainly are not
I couldn't give a continental f*** whether neutrals watch or not, to be quite honest. And I don't think Keith Barr is Yoda either. If Mayo win 0-1 to no score I'll take it. If neutrals want to look down their snouts, that's fine by me. If that's the most I'll suffer I'll get over it.
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 24, 2011, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
I can see a lot of neutrals not turning on the tv until the Dublin Kildare game starts to be honest.
We're 'the poor relation' (I'm talking about Rossies/Heronchokers/Mayos/Sligonians/Laythrums here) as Keith Barr has us down in his column in the Indo today and I fully agree with him.
I just cannot see how too many people will watch this game especially given the last few years Connacht hasn't even produced a semi-finalist. Perhaps that's why we're too afraid to shout and be superior ross4life. The fact of the matter is, whatever about Roscommon, Galway and Mayo especially most certainly are not
I couldn't give a continental f*** whether neutrals watch or not, to be quite honest. And I don't think Keith Barr is Yoda either. If Mayo win 0-1 to no score I'll take it. If neutrals want to look down their snouts, that's fine by me. If that's the most I'll suffer I'll get over it.
Neither do I bu t in general people would probably be looking forward to a game such as this one. I can't see much appeal outside of the two counties given the appeal for the game INSIDE the two counties is all I'm saying. I don't particularly agree with Keith Barr either, but he is right about the Connacht being poor relations thing. Maybe it will change this year who knows.
Whats the story with tickets for Sunday, plenty for sale at the gate or is it through the clubs.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 24, 2011, 05:09:27 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
I can see a lot of neutrals not turning on the tv until the Dublin Kildare game starts to be honest.
We're 'the poor relation' (I'm talking about Rossies/Heronchokers/Mayos/Sligonians/Laythrums here) as Keith Barr has us down in his column in the Indo today and I fully agree with him.
I just cannot see how too many people will watch this game especially given the last few years Connacht hasn't even produced a semi-finalist. Perhaps that's why we're too afraid to shout and be superior ross4life. The fact of the matter is, whatever about Roscommon, Galway and Mayo especially most certainly are not
???
Whoops, mistaked you and ross matt.
Oh yeah. More racism. Ye people look all the same and all that :D!
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 24, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
Whats the story with tickets for Sunday, plenty for sale at the gate or is it through the clubs.
At the gate, through clubs, and Supervalu stores are even selling them I believe.
PS ross matt, ye do look the same without the capital 'R'. Rossfan is easy to distinguish in that sense! :D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 24, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
Whats the story with tickets for Sunday, plenty for sale at the gate or is it through the clubs.
At the gate, through clubs, and Supervalu stores are even selling them I believe.
PS ross matt, ye do look the same without the capital 'R'. Rossfan is easy to distinguish in that sense! :D
:D
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 09:39:02 PM
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 24, 2011, 08:40:35 PM
Whats the story with tickets for Sunday, plenty for sale at the gate or is it through the clubs.
At the gate, through clubs, and Supervalu stores are even selling them I believe.
PS ross matt, ye do look the same without the capital 'R'. Rossfan is easy to distinguish in that sense! :D
Yeah it is easy to distinguish, I always have personalized Picture or occasionally a gif rossmatt does not. Magpie seanie also mixed me up with Rossfan i would suggest ye both go to specsavers.
Crowd of 20,000 expected for this game. How many was at the last Mayo v Galway championship game?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 08:31:45 PM
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on June 24, 2011, 07:18:21 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 24, 2011, 05:04:37 PM
I can see a lot of neutrals not turning on the tv until the Dublin Kildare game starts to be honest.
We're 'the poor relation' (I'm talking about Rossies/Heronchokers/Mayos/Sligonians/Laythrums here) as Keith Barr has us down in his column in the Indo today and I fully agree with him.
I just cannot see how too many people will watch this game especially given the last few years Connacht hasn't even produced a semi-finalist. Perhaps that's why we're too afraid to shout and be superior ross4life. The fact of the matter is, whatever about Roscommon, Galway and Mayo especially most certainly are not
I couldn't give a continental f*** whether neutrals watch or not, to be quite honest. And I don't think Keith Barr is Yoda either. If Mayo win 0-1 to no score I'll take it. If neutrals want to look down their snouts, that's fine by me. If that's the most I'll suffer I'll get over it.
Neither do I bu t in general people would probably be looking forward to a game such as this one. I can't see much appeal outside of the two counties given the appeal for the game INSIDE the two counties is all I'm saying. I don't particularly agree with Keith Barr either, but he is right about the Connacht being poor relations thing. Maybe it will change this year who knows.
It wont change Deelin. Always been the same. The only way to break the mould it is what Galway did in 98 and 01. They ghosted in without fuss and did the business - but they have been quickly relegated to the bargain bin, because football did not start until 2002.
Iolar is 100% in my opinion, but it is amazing the amount of people ( club men, coaches and club managers) that are making an afternoon of it in front of the telly. The only games that matter to me start in Castlebar at 12.00 on Sunday. I might get a chance to see other stuff later. What other matches are on the weekend?
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
Crowd of 20,000 expected for this game. How many was at the last Mayo v Galway championship game?
Can t see that happening unless Galways suspect something? Lucky to get more than 12. Who s expecting 20,000? Sounds like a last gasp attempt to generate interest in the game out of desperation. Apart from a hard core this match is a match that dare not speak it s name. I dunno about Galway but around here people either dont know its happening or move on when it is mentioned. As this thread kinda shows, there are more people interested in this game in Roscommon, I would suspect, than in either of the competing counties.
Quote from: moysider on June 25, 2011, 01:12:39 AM
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2011, 12:34:03 AM
Crowd of 20,000 expected for this game. How many was at the last Mayo v Galway championship game?
Can t see that happening unless Galways suspect something? Lucky to get more than 12. Who s expecting 20,000? Sounds like a last gasp attempt to generate interest in the game out of desperation. Apart from a hard core this match is a match that dare not speak it s name. I dunno about Galway but around here people either dont know its happening or move on when it is mentioned. As this thread kinda shows, there are more people interested in this game in Roscommon, I would suspect, than in either of the competing counties.
Got it off here http://www.mayonews.ie/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=13050:crowd-of-20000-expected-for-mayo-game&catid=14&Itemid=100008
i think you could be right, last gasp attempt to generate interest in the game out of desperation.
Did you hear/read the quote from David Brady on Newstalk "They've probably slept together but they've never played together (in midfield), the two O'Shea :D
There was only 25,000 in Pearse Stadium two years ago and that really is the average crowd for a Mayo/Galway Connacht Final. In good times it did hit near the 30,000 mark, but then it was down around the 20,000 mark. Intercounty GAA is not as popular a day out as it was. The likes of Kildare/Meath drew crowds of 40,000/50,000 on their own ten years ago. Tyrone/Armagh brought great crowds to Croke Park. It is not as simple as the back door - factors such as quality of the games, poor refereeing, lifestyle change - prefer to watch in the pub/don't want the hassle of being stuck in traffic, need for modernising of the occasion are driving people away in my opinion.
As for Mayo and Galway - the Mayo support has been dwindling away quite rapidly in the last few years. Every year I can add a few of my friends to the lists of those that always travelled but now have stopped because they have have felt so let down. Galway always appear to have a small hardcore support and others will join as things improve on the field. I cannot imagine they will bring a good crowd tomorrow - they didn't even travel for the under 21 Final.
Anyway it is the football that matters - tomorrow is the one year anniversary to the day since the lowest day for many Mayo Supporters in Longford. It is time for redemption to begin. I hope James Horan and the lads go out and play with passion and pride, and a never-say-die spirit that has been too often absent. This is their moment to show the type of footballers that they are.
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London better than some here gave them credit for? HT London 0-09 0-01 Fermanagh, & they kicked 16 wides.
Quote from: Blowitupref on June 25, 2011, 02:11:15 PM
London better than some here gave them credit for? HT London 0-09 0-01 Fermanagh, & they kicked 16 wides.
Not surprised at the London result at all from what i saw in Ruislip the day.
Tá ceantair Ghaeltachta i Mhaigh Eó agus Gaillimh agus ba cheart dúinn an cluiche a phlé as Gaeilge.
Tabharfaidh Maigh Eó agus Gaillimh aghaidh ar a chéile i gcluiche leathcheannais peile Chonnachta a imreofar i bPáirc Mhic Éilí an Domhnach beag seo . Tá an-spéis léirithe ag an bpobal sa choimhlint seo a bheidh mar ceann den mhórchluiche an deireadh seachtaine
Gan dabht is ait an cluiche seo – easpa muinín sna dhá chontae agus coimhlint gear ar siúl faoi "cé acu is measa" !! Is fada an lá o chonaic mé lucht leanúna Mhaigh Eó chomh ísle – chuir an taispeántas i gcoinne London iad in umar na h-aimléise. Níl foireann socraithe acu agus easpa ceannairí freisin. Taobh amuigh de Alan Dillon agus fear Ros Comáin Andy Moran cá bhfuil na ceannairí? Nuair a thiocfaidh an crú ar an tairne an bhfuil na-himreoirí ag Mhaigh Eó chun an liathróid salach a bhucaint? Nílim cinnte go bhfuil siad ann.
De réir na tuairiscí bhí an t-ádh dearg ar Mhaigh Eó i Ruislip ach is dócha go raibh an iomarca muinín inti an lá sin!!! Táim ag súil ar thaispeántas i bhfad níos fearr ó Mhaigh Eó an Domhnach beag seo. Beidh an coimhlint i lár na páirce an-thábhacht agus tá péire nua ag Maigh Eó – na deartháireacha O' Sé. Cé nach bhfuil aon dabht gur sár- pheileadóirí iad nílim cinnte an bhfuil siad an péire is fearr – ní bheidh ionadh ar bith orm má thiocfaidh Rónán McGarrity ar an pháirc go luath sa cluiche. Chuir na tosaithe a lán seansanna amú i gcoinne Londain ach is é mo thuairim go bhfuil imreoirí ag Mhaigh Eó sna tosaithe leis an cumas chun na scóranna a aimsiú, cúil ina measc.
Níl a fhios agam faoi Ghaillimh. Bhí siad go dona i dtús an sraith ach chríochnaigh siad go maith cé go raibh siad dícháilithe go Roinn a 2. Ó shín tá an craobh fé U21 buaite acu agus de réir na ráflaí tá rudaí ag dul go maith sa traenáil – bhí an bua acu i gcluichí dúshláin i gcoinne Corcaigh agus BAC. Beidh siad ag brath ar taispeántas mór ó Joe Bergin i lár na páirce agus ón Pádraig Seoighe sna tosaithe. Is buille mór dóibh a bheith d'uireasa Meehan agus Armstrong – faoiseamh don chosantóirí Mhaigh Eó nach bhfuil siad ag imirt!!!
An toradh? Tá sé deacair a rá. B'fhéidir go bhfuil níos mó muinín ag Gaillimh agus níos mó taithí acu ar an taobh líne. Ach shílim go bhfuil siad fós ag brath go leor ar an Seoighe. Bhí Maigh Eó uafásach i gcoinne Londain ach ní bheidh siad chomh dona an Domhnach seo. Tá imreoirí maith acu, tá siad sa bhaile agus sílim go mbeidh an bua acu.
Quote from: Barney on June 25, 2011, 09:21:53 AM
There was only 25,000 in Pearse Stadium two years ago and that really is the average crowd for a Mayo/Galway Connacht Final. In good times it did hit near the 30,000 mark, but then it was down around the 20,000 mark. Intercounty GAA is not as popular a day out as it was. The likes of Kildare/Meath drew crowds of 40,000/50,000 on their own ten years ago. Tyrone/Armagh brought great crowds to Croke Park. It is not as simple as the back door - factors such as quality of the games, poor refereeing, lifestyle change - prefer to watch in the pub/don't want the hassle of being stuck in traffic, need for modernising of the occasion are driving people away in my opinion.
As for Mayo and Galway - the Mayo support has been dwindling away quite rapidly in the last few years. Every year I can add a few of my friends to the lists of those that always travelled but now have stopped because they have have felt so let down. Galway always appear to have a small hardcore support and others will join as things improve on the field. I cannot imagine they will bring a good crowd tomorrow - they didn't even travel for the under 21 Final.
Anyway it is the football that matters - tomorrow is the one year anniversary to the day since the lowest day for many Mayo Supporters in Longford. It is time for redemption to begin. I hope James Horan and the lads go out and play with passion and pride, and a never-say-die spirit that has been too often absent. This is their moment to show the type of footballers that they are.
Fine post, Barney. There's a lot in there to chew on.
I belong to the same school of thought as Iolar and moysider. I intend going to Castlebar tomorrow and that means getting out of the leaba around 6.30 am in order to catch the 8.30 from Heuston.
I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic about the outcome. It could piss down from high heaven and Mayo could disappear in the mist but I've been through those scenarios some many times by now that I imagine it wouldn't knock me off my stride.
I'll be happy with a win of any sort. Like Iolar, I'd take a 0-1 to no score if that's all that is on offer. If we should lose, I hope it will be to a better team on the day and that our manager and team can walk off the field with dignity. If all concerned give it their best shot, I'll settle for the outcome- the same as I looked for in the John O'Mahony years.
So here it is, the first day of another new era for mayo football. i don't know what to expect from either team to be honest. Are mayo to continue with the sweeper system, that London nearly caught us out on or now that o'Sheas are in midfield will different tactica be used. As for Galway, i think they are in the same boat as us regarding their team. As long we give it a good losh and show there is pride in the jersey again, we will be half way there. We have to remomber how low the base we are coming from is following last year's events. Still i'm sure by throw -in the old hairs on the back of the neck will be back in action again!! Up Mayo!!
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 25, 2011, 09:44:56 PM
Tá ceantair Ghaeltachta i Mhaigh Eó agus Gaillimh agus ba cheart dúinn an cluiche a phlé as Gaeilge.
Tabharfaidh Maigh Eó agus Gaillimh aghaidh ar a chéile i gcluiche leathcheannais peile Chonnachta a imreofar i bPáirc Mhic Éilí an Domhnach beag seo . Tá an-spéis léirithe ag an bpobal sa choimhlint seo a bheidh mar ceann den mhórchluiche an deireadh seachtaine
Gan dabht is ait an cluiche seo – easpa muinín sna dhá chontae agus coimhlint gear ar siúl faoi "cé acu is measa" !! Is fada an lá o chonaic mé lucht leanúna Mhaigh Eó chomh ísle – chuir an taispeántas i gcoinne London iad in umar na h-aimléise. Níl foireann socraithe acu agus easpa ceannairí freisin. Taobh amuigh de Alan Dillon agus fear Ros Comáin Andy Moran cá bhfuil na ceannairí? Nuair a thiocfaidh an crú ar an tairne an bhfuil na-himreoirí ag Mhaigh Eó chun an liathróid salach a bhucaint? Nílim cinnte go bhfuil siad ann.
De réir na tuairiscí bhí an t-ádh dearg ar Mhaigh Eó i Ruislip ach is dócha go raibh an iomarca muinín inti an lá sin!!! Táim ag súil ar thaispeántas i bhfad níos fearr ó Mhaigh Eó an Domhnach beag seo. Beidh an coimhlint i lár na páirce an-thábhacht agus tá péire nua ag Maigh Eó – na deartháireacha O' Sé. Cé nach bhfuil aon dabht gur sár- pheileadóirí iad nílim cinnte an bhfuil siad an péire is fearr – ní bheidh ionadh ar bith orm má thiocfaidh Rónán McGarrity ar an pháirc go luath sa cluiche. Chuir na tosaithe a lán seansanna amú i gcoinne Londain ach is é mo thuairim go bhfuil imreoirí ag Mhaigh Eó sna tosaithe leis an cumas chun na scóranna a aimsiú, cúil ina measc.
Níl a fhios agam faoi Ghaillimh. Bhí siad go dona i dtús an sraith ach chríochnaigh siad go maith cé go raibh siad dícháilithe go Roinn a 2. Ó shín tá an craobh fé U21 buaite acu agus de réir na ráflaí tá rudaí ag dul go maith sa traenáil – bhí an bua acu i gcluichí dúshláin i gcoinne Corcaigh agus BAC. Beidh siad ag brath ar taispeántas mór ó Joe Bergin i lár na páirce agus ón Pádraig Seoighe sna tosaithe. Is buille mór dóibh a bheith d'uireasa Meehan agus Armstrong – faoiseamh don chosantóirí Mhaigh Eó nach bhfuil siad ag imirt!!!
An toradh? Tá sé deacair a rá. B'fhéidir go bhfuil níos mó muinín ag Gaillimh agus níos mó taithí acu ar an taobh líne. Ach shílim go bhfuil siad fós ag brath go leor ar an Seoighe. Bhí Maigh Eó uafásach i gcoinne Londain ach ní bheidh siad chomh dona an Domhnach seo. Tá imreoirí maith acu, tá siad sa bhaile agus sílim go mbeidh an bua acu.
Tatler
Ar chuala tu riamh tracht ar an bhfocal "rabail"? Ta se i bhfocloir de Bhaldraithe agus is e an aistriuchain ata air na "fast unmethodical work" agus cuireann se sios go maith ar fadhb Mhuigh Eo.
Derby games are notorious for the underdog rising for the occasion to beat their more fancied neighbours, before getting found out in their next game. E.g. Armagh v. Down last month.
Also, posters are over critical of that Galway team which I feel is better than most are saying.
I am looking forward to the battle between two men making their championship debut, Jason Doherty and Jonny Duane.
I hope the sun comes out before 2 o'clock! Whatever the outcome, there could be 2 Connacht teams in the quarter finals yet :-)
Best of luck to the team for the match today, hup Galway!
Minor game result
Mayo 1-8
Roscommon 3-8
Tis fairly breezy here in mc hale park nice enough crowd here with 40 minutes before throw in .
Looks like a change on GAlway team. FIonntán O Curtain on
Why is Padraig Joyce allowed to take 12 steps without playing the ball??
From RTE
1421 Robert Hennelly '45 falls short and Andy Moran picks up the pieces and his effort goes wide. Six wides now for Mayo.
And Hennelly is the goalie.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Mayo free taking is a complete
shambles .
should have been red
brutal game of football, conditions hardly great but jesus the standard in connaught is cack
Quote from: ludermor on June 26, 2011, 02:35:34 PM
Mayo free taking is a complete
shambles .
It is as if they have the yips.
Quote from: ludermor on June 26, 2011, 02:35:34 PM
Mayo free taking is a complete
shambles .
It is beyond embarrassing. At least four free takers in the first half. We have only had nine months to prepare for this.
Tom Cuniffe is obviously not good enough for this level. Should have figured that out after last year V Sligo.
1-5 to 0-4 for Galway at HT.
Don't want to excuse the miserable efforts of the mayo free takers too much, but think the wind there is stronger than it seems - their free taking should improve in the second half
Don't understand why Galway werent much more direct in that half with the wind at their back - every time they pumped it long they caused trouble
Higgins is a dirty **** - how was that punch to the head only a yellow?
Watching this I am losing the will to live. Red card for sure for that box. Spillane and O'Rourke pulling hair out at standard of football
Mayo will take this
Dont understand why the mayo players keep bouncing the ball and losing control of it
How have Mayo not scored two goals there?
Is Mayo's keeper wearing a pair of slippers out there? He's slipped about 6 times ffs.
My new pet hate. Goalies coming up the field to kick frees and 45s. For fucks sake is there no one able to kick a free anymore.
Just LOL at all the wides from Galway and all the missed goal chances for Mayo.
What a missed goal chance for Galway now!
Will meehan come on 2 win the game now for galway???
score?
1-11 to 1-06 for Mayo with 5mins left
1 pt for Galway in second half! ???
1-12 to 1-6. Hopefully Mayo will be able to build on this . Otherwise Ros, get the finger out .
Galway will be back at some stage with a decent team ;)
Hopefully we get Down in the qualifiers.
Yea, perhaps it would be best for Galway to get put out then rebuild from there.
Ó Flatharta doesn't (well not today) seem to have much going on as regrds switches etc during the game especially considering he left a good back like Hanley at MF who I don't think held the ball in his 2 hands. Should have been switched or taken off. Spillane's right Clancy was at best an inpact sub abnd has gone past that. Still think they might have a little run in the qualifiers if they get a decent draw and give youth its fling.
Poor game, as someone mentioned basic footballing errors like hopping the ball on a very greasy surface, passing the ball across the your own goal to your goalkeeper who them attempts to solo and losses it, terrable free taking inside the 45. Conor Mort will be back just for his free taking ability.
On the plus side Mayo dominated mid field winning most of the breaks, the backs were first to the ball in the second half and Freeman looks a good prospect. Andy Moran was my pick for man of the match.
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on June 26, 2011, 03:51:25 PM
Yea, perhaps it would be best for Galway to get put out then rebuild from there.
I hear Down have a fabulous midfield.
Apart from a lot of old failings, I am very happy with that result today. I think that was a very important result for Mayo after the disasters of last year against Longford and Sligo.
Roscommon won't be losing too much sleep looking at the display but I think that we will see a little more improvement the next day. It might help us be competitive in the Hyde.
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2011, 04:01:54 PM
Quote from: WeePeteIsALegend on June 26, 2011, 03:51:25 PM
Yea, perhaps it would be best for Galway to get put out then rebuild from there.
I hear Down have a fabulous midfield.
Our midfield is woeful. Just like last year - we didn't do too badly then. Galway's midfield are hardly great either tbh.
My God, Galway were a shambles. Its a while since I've seen anything as pathetic on a GAA field as a team sending on a lad with one fully working leg who clearly couldn't run in the warm up to try and save a game, Meehan should have been nowhere that pitch and was more likely to end his own career than drag Galway back into it. That was the worst display I have witnessed by a Galway team against Mayo in a quarter of a century of going to derby games and it will take more than an under 21 win over Cavan to turn things around.
As for us, while there is no such thing as a bad win against Galway, it was a poor enough display. The free taking was another unbelievable mess and the Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
On the plus side I thought SOS put down a marker in midfield, Vaughan did well at CHB and McLoughlin got through a power of work all over the field, he is a real natural footballer. As I am currently in a good mood I will leave the numerous negatives for later because I don't want to depress myself...
Mayo should leave behind the negativity and look at 2 good wins. London are much better than people thought they were.
Well I guess I'll take the postmortem from a Galway point of view. I'm not sure if there is no recession in Mayo or if people are gluttons for punishment but I would be asking for my money back if I paid to see that dross. I am not sure if they were playing the same game as Dublin, Kildare, Donegal and Tyrone. To be honest I am not sure if they haven't forgotten how to play the game, always fouling the player picking the ball up, kicking the ball to the opposition, basic basic things.
Tactics were crazy too, we wouldn't let the ball into the full forward line in the first half when we had the wind and the full back line in trouble. Then in the second half when the Mayo backs tidied up we kicked the ball in long when it wasn't working :(
We have forgotten how to tackle and defend, every time giving the foul away. If Mayo had a modern day Maurice Sheridan we would have been destoyed.
I am not sure if we have the where with all to make some use of the qualifiers and build for the future. I just hope the end is painless and we can be put of our misery gently!!
It ws a diabolical game of football. However, Mayo dominated the midfield exchanges but the decision making from the forwards was terrible, why the hell can't they ust kick the ball straight in to the man inside instead of making him run out to the corner, handpass over and back across goal and then after all the hard work it'd be a wide. It will be hard for anyone to pick a man of the match as they were all desperate. The conditions didn't help, but Jesus Christ management of both teams should have been well aware of the Irish weather at this stage. I'll give a better account later on. Our freetaking wasa shambolic. Ros will win Connacht easy imo.
Just back from windy & wet Cashelbear & i switched on the telly to see the Dubs baked in sunshine WTF? anyways awful first half Mayo were the better team but due to shocking free talking & a Galway goal out of the blue they found themselves behind by 4pts! second half Mayo moved up the gears & the 1-8 to 0-1 shows their superiority! If Mayo had a free taker like Johnny Doyle Mayo would have won that game by 10/12pts that performance must have the Galway fans shaking their heads & alot of rebuilding to do now.
I never bought the poor mouth from the Mayo fans & i always believed that London game would be a blessing in disguise! it's going to take a good team to beat them now & I'm not sure are we good enough but if we are competitive on that day who knows? i live in hope.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
Seeing that i was among all the rossies that is pure BS but i'm not suprised you would post utter tripe like that.
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
Just back from windy & wet Cashelbear & i switched on the telly to see the Dubs baked in sunshine WTF? anyways awful first half Mayo were the better team but due to shocking free talking & a Galway goal out of the blue they found themselves behind by 4pts! second half Mayo moved up the gears & the 1-8 to 0-1 shows their superiority! If Mayo had a free taker like Johnny Doyle Mayo would have won that game by 10/12pts that performance must have the Galway fans shaking their heads & alot of rebuilding to do now.
I never bought the poor mouth from the Mayo fans & i always believed that London game would be a blessing in disguise! it's going to take a good team to beat them now & I'm not sure are we good enough but if we are competitive on that day who knows? i live in hope.
Wet and Windy is right. Christ the conditions were bad, i suppose both teams were coming into the game low on confidence and that along with the rain added to the poor first half. Mayo did up the level in the second half and some pride is now back in the jersey. how much this was down to Mayo upping the game and galway falling away it's hard to know. SOS was man of the match i thought, he interupted Galway attack after attack and they could never get going. i wouldn't read much more in to this game, job done now move on to the Hyde.
its the last time ,Joyce, Clancy and a few more will be in C'bar. No Doubt.
BTW the Rossies have a nice minor team.
Quote from: An Gaeilgoir on June 26, 2011, 06:10:33 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
Just back from windy & wet Cashelbear & i switched on the telly to see the Dubs baked in sunshine WTF? anyways awful first half Mayo were the better team but due to shocking free talking & a Galway goal out of the blue they found themselves behind by 4pts! second half Mayo moved up the gears & the 1-8 to 0-1 shows their superiority! If Mayo had a free taker like Johnny Doyle Mayo would have won that game by 10/12pts that performance must have the Galway fans shaking their heads & alot of rebuilding to do now.
I never bought the poor mouth from the Mayo fans & i always believed that London game would be a blessing in disguise! it's going to take a good team to beat them now & I'm not sure are we good enough but if we are competitive on that day who knows? i live in hope.
Wet and Windy is right. Christ the conditions were bad, i suppose both teams were coming into the game low on confidence and that along with the rain added to the poor first half. Mayo did up the level in the second half and some pride is now back in the jersey. how much this was down to Mayo upping the game and galway falling away it's hard to know. SOS was man of the match i thought, he interupted Galway attack after attack and they could never get going. i wouldn't read much more in to this game, job done now move on to the Hyde.
its the last time ,Joyce, Clancy and a few more will be in C'bar. No Doubt.
BTW the Rossies have a nice minor team.
The wind died down alot for the Senior game but the rain in that 1st half didn't help condiditions, was sad to see one of the greatest GAA players ever (P Joyce) look so crestfallen today but i suppose all good things must come to a end.
We do indeed have a fine Minor team but i knew that before today hopefully we can finish the job in the final.
As a mate of mine said after the game, Galway are the only county that coach the football out of their players. Abysmal today, some of the management decisions today were baffling.Took off Bane, Conroy & Hehir and left on Higgins, Burke & Sice. Time for John Joe and the rest of the suits in the CB to hang their heads in shame and clear off. Hard to see things getting an better in Navan.
Bowl C, totally unneccesary for that draw!!!
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
Seeing that i was among all the rossies that is pure BS but i'm not suprised you would post utter tripe like that.
Sorry RossWhatever, I didn't realise you were now the official spokesperson for all Roscommon GAA supporters and can confirm as a fact what each and every one of them said or didn't say today. The ones I spoke to were very openly confident about the final and, to be fair, have every reason to be. On current form Roscommon would have beaten Galway out the gate today long before Mayo did.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 06:34:47 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
Seeing that i was among all the rossies that is pure BS but i'm not suprised you would post utter tripe like that.
Sorry RossWhatever, I didn't realise you were now the official spokesperson for all Roscommon GAA supporters and can confirm as a fact what each and every one of them said or didn't say today. The ones I spoke to were very openly confident about the final and, to be fair, have every reason to be. On current form Roscommon would have beaten Galway out the gate today long before Mayo did.
Just because you talked to one or two "overconfident" Roscommon fans doesn't mean it's the opinion of the majority! you can trust me it certainly is not. Yes we would have beaten Galway today on that performance by them but no more than one or two points.
Mayo will be favourites with all the bookies Roscommon the underdog again & that's all i need to know.
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 06:34:47 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 06:04:25 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
Seeing that i was among all the rossies that is pure BS but i'm not suprised you would post utter tripe like that.
Sorry RossWhatever, I didn't realise you were now the official spokesperson for all Roscommon GAA supporters and can confirm as a fact what each and every one of them said or didn't say today. The ones I spoke to were very openly confident about the final and, to be fair, have every reason to be. On current form Roscommon would have beaten Galway out the gate today long before Mayo did.
Just because you talked to one or two "overconfident" Roscommon fans doesn't mean it's the opinion of the majority!
Where did I say it was the opinion of the majority?! This is what I said:
Quotethe Ros fans I was talking to after the game
It wasn't like I spoke to hundreds of them - it was pissing rain and I wanted to get home!
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
My God, Galway were a shambles. Its a while since I've seen anything as pathetic on a GAA field as a team sending on a lad with one fully working leg who clearly couldn't run in the warm up to try and save a game, Meehan should have been nowhere that pitch and was more likely to end his own career than drag Galway back into it. That was the worst display I have witnessed by a Galway team against Mayo in a quarter of a century of going to derby games and it will take more than an under 21 win over Cavan to turn things around.
As for us, while there is no such thing as a bad win against Galway, it was a poor enough display. The free taking was another unbelievable mess and the Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
On the plus side I thought SOS put down a marker in midfield, Vaughan did well at CHB and McLoughlin got through a power of work all over the field, he is a real natural footballer. As I am currently in a good mood I will leave the numerous negatives for later because I don't want to depress myself...
Is that the same Ross fan that always is ignorant to you when they win games? You need to be careful Cosmo. You could be the victim of a stalker. Ps do you regularly meet a talking rabbit also called Harvey?
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
My God, Galway were a shambles. Its a while since I've seen anything as pathetic on a GAA field as a team sending on a lad with one fully working leg who clearly couldn't run in the warm up to try and save a game, Meehan should have been nowhere that pitch and was more likely to end his own career than drag Galway back into it. That was the worst display I have witnessed by a Galway team against Mayo in a quarter of a century of going to derby games and it will take more than an under 21 win over Cavan to turn things around.
As for us, while there is no such thing as a bad win against Galway, it was a poor enough display. The free taking was another unbelievable mess and the Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
On the plus side I thought SOS put down a marker in midfield, Vaughan did well at CHB and McLoughlin got through a power of work all over the field, he is a real natural footballer. As I am currently in a good mood I will leave the numerous negatives for later because I don't want to depress myself...
Is that the same Ross fan that always is ignorant to you when they win games? You need to be careful Cosmo. You could be the victim of a stalker. Ps do you regularly meet a talking rabbit also called Harvey?
Was going to type the same thing! Cosmo is a very unfortunate chap.
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
My God, Galway were a shambles. Its a while since I've seen anything as pathetic on a GAA field as a team sending on a lad with one fully working leg who clearly couldn't run in the warm up to try and save a game, Meehan should have been nowhere that pitch and was more likely to end his own career than drag Galway back into it. That was the worst display I have witnessed by a Galway team against Mayo in a quarter of a century of going to derby games and it will take more than an under 21 win over Cavan to turn things around.
As for us, while there is no such thing as a bad win against Galway, it was a poor enough display. The free taking was another unbelievable mess and the Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
On the plus side I thought SOS put down a marker in midfield, Vaughan did well at CHB and McLoughlin got through a power of work all over the field, he is a real natural footballer. As I am currently in a good mood I will leave the numerous negatives for later because I don't want to depress myself...
Is that the same Ross fan that always is ignorant to you when they win games? You need to be careful Cosmo. You could be the victim of a stalker. Ps do you regularly meet a talking rabbit also called Harvey?
No Ive never met that rabbit, I'll let you know if I do. The 2001 stuff (which I presume you are referring to as its the last time I saw you win) is well documented by many posters including myself elsewhere on these boards. The lads today were actually fairly sound, and also very (annoyingly) confident (if youre a Mayo fan). As I said, they had reason to be after what they saw in Castlebar.
We appear to be drifting off topic.
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
My God, Galway were a shambles. Its a while since I've seen anything as pathetic on a GAA field as a team sending on a lad with one fully working leg who clearly couldn't run in the warm up to try and save a game, Meehan should have been nowhere that pitch and was more likely to end his own career than drag Galway back into it. That was the worst display I have witnessed by a Galway team against Mayo in a quarter of a century of going to derby games and it will take more than an under 21 win over Cavan to turn things around.
As for us, while there is no such thing as a bad win against Galway, it was a poor enough display. The free taking was another unbelievable mess and the Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
On the plus side I thought SOS put down a marker in midfield, Vaughan did well at CHB and McLoughlin got through a power of work all over the field, he is a real natural footballer. As I am currently in a good mood I will leave the numerous negatives for later because I don't want to depress myself...
Is that the same Ross fan that always is ignorant to you when they win games? You need to be careful Cosmo. You could be the victim of a stalker. Ps do you regularly meet a talking rabbit also called Harvey?
We appear to be drifting off topic.
No thanks to you. When you beat us by 20pts 24 months ago you where more concerned to bring up the 2001 unfortunate incident again (would be best not to paint us all with the same brush & move on) & again today you sidetracked from the main topic to post about what some giddy Roscommon fans said to you.
Both sides today had gone through some bad times in the lead up but I still expected much better than what was served up today and thats alllowing for the bad weather. The first half will rank as one of the worst 35min of championship football.
Mayo dominated the match all over the field and in particular midifeld thanks to the two O'Se brothers. Mcgarrity then arrived on the scene looking cool and calm on the ball plus kicking a great point. They really should have won by in excess of 10 points. They missed some easy point chances and should have nailed a goal or two whilst the Galway goal was a total fluke. Dillon worked his ass off but was particularly wasteful. Moran was my man of the match. Higgins cleaned up at the back but shouldnt have been left on the pitch to do so if the linesman was doing his job.
I've never seen Galway play so poorly. Not even in the bad days of the past before '98. They constantly fouled in the most lazy fashion. They never contested any 50/50 ball or showed any hunger for the breaks. Hanly barely touched the ball whilst Bergin constantly gave it away. So did Conroy. Higgins was destroyed at centre back. Joyce just couldnt get past his man but whilst hardly in the match he did look dangerous when on the ball and I dont accept that someone of his calibre can be consigned to history after his only weak performance in the last few years. Meehan should never have been brought on and the way he was flexing the muscles he would have ended up getting the line if he was on for much longer. I cant understand why Bane was substituted. He won any ball that went his way and kicked most of his frees successfully. He was probably the most likely Galway forward to score. One point from play in the 2nd half is atrocious. Unacceptable. There are 2 AI winning u-21 sides, One AI minor side Plus Pj with two senior AI medals in that side. They should be far better than this.
Now its a Mayo/Rossie Connacht final. The concern for Ross is that Mayo will continue to improve. As Seafoid mentioned in his post the London match now needs to be put in perspective in light of them beating Fermanagh. In other words Mayo have been playing badly but winning plus crucially improving with each win. Sign of mental toughness. Not something normally associated with Mayo football so Horan must be doing something right. I'm bothered by how good their midfield looked today and also how fresh Mcgarrity looked. I've always rated Ronan highly. Midfield in an area that Ross have done very well in over the last 2 seasons but Mayo will be a big test here. Dillon will never waste so much ball again and Moran is invaluable. Their full forwardline looked like they could score goals if given early ball.
The plus for us is that our midfield will be better than Galway and as has been ruthlessly demonstrated in the Leitrim match Fergie has the Ross defenders hassling opponents without giving away soft frees. This again in contrast to Galway. Inside Shine and Kilbride are big enough to win their own ball and its unlikely they will both be stopped. Cregg then brings a different dimension to the attack in terms of hard driving runs so there will be variety. Finally O'gara will be available and he is on form as good as shine or kilbride.
Its a nice run in for Mayo. I think they will go in as even stevens or even with Ross being favourites. Despite all the underage success this will be a new aspect to deal with mentally for us. We will have to bring our A game because Mayo will definitely be up for this and will fancy themselves quietly to nail us in the manner we did Sligo in last years final. It promises to be a great match. We definitely CAN win but just now I'm unsure as to be able to say we Will win.
Keith Higgins has no business togging out the next day.
That was an awful cheap shot today.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 26, 2011, 07:36:04 PM
Keith Higgins has no business togging out the next day.
That was an awful cheap shot today.
True but it looks like it's going to get off?
He will the ref took action so its the end of the matter
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 07:19:13 PM
Quote from: ross matt on June 26, 2011, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 26, 2011, 04:42:41 PM
My God, Galway were a shambles. Its a while since I've seen anything as pathetic on a GAA field as a team sending on a lad with one fully working leg who clearly couldn't run in the warm up to try and save a game, Meehan should have been nowhere that pitch and was more likely to end his own career than drag Galway back into it. That was the worst display I have witnessed by a Galway team against Mayo in a quarter of a century of going to derby games and it will take more than an under 21 win over Cavan to turn things around.
As for us, while there is no such thing as a bad win against Galway, it was a poor enough display. The free taking was another unbelievable mess and the Ros fans I was talking to after the game reckon they'll just need to turn up at the Hyde to win. Typical annoying Rossie attitude but hard to argue with them based on today.
On the plus side I thought SOS put down a marker in midfield, Vaughan did well at CHB and McLoughlin got through a power of work all over the field, he is a real natural footballer. As I am currently in a good mood I will leave the numerous negatives for later because I don't want to depress myself...
Is that the same Ross fan that always is ignorant to you when they win games? You need to be careful Cosmo. You could be the victim of a stalker. Ps do you regularly meet a talking rabbit also called Harvey?
No Ive never met that rabbit, I'll let you know if I do. The 2001 stuff (which I presume you are referring to as its the last time I saw you win) is well documented by many posters including myself elsewhere on these boards. The lads today were actually fairly sound, and also very (annoyingly) confident (if youre a Mayo fan). As I said, they had reason to be after what they saw in Castlebar.
We appear to be drifting off topic.
Ah we won a few harmless underage matches at minor and u-21 against ye since 2001 Cosmo. Obviously you and your rabbit friend dont attend the underage matches.
Quote from: INDIANA on June 26, 2011, 07:36:04 PM
Keith Higgins has no business togging out the next day.
That was an awful cheap shot today.
Yeah I'd say Keith will fess up and exempt himself from the final against us. ::)
Cheap shot yes. But I've seen them hit harder and so have you.
I recall a certain Dublin midfielder slamming a meath opponent in the jaw alot harder than Higgins hit the Galway lad today. He togged out the next day though. You threw the head yourself when the likes of myself and others brought it to your attention. Bit rich of looking down your nose at a Connacht footballer today for doing alot less than what you defended on the part of one of your own.
Was a poor game today but Mayo showed their worth (apart from frees) by running out easy winners & they made Galway look ordinary by winning every key battle all over the field. Mayo will Connacht no doubt in my mind Rossies are a few years from Mayo's level yet.
Reading the report on RTE it said Attendance: 19,375 didn't look anything like that on TV?
Well just back from Castlebar and that was one bad game of football. Mayo were bad and we were even badder. At least in the first half we played a semblance of football at times but the second half was brutal stuff altogether. To go in 4 points up at the break was barely about par as we had a strong enough breeze behind us but to only score 0-1 after that was cat even allowing for a stiffening wind against us.
Problems for Galway were the half-back line and midfield mainly which is the engine of the team and if these areas are performing poorly you have no chance. Gary Sice is a good player but had an awful game today. Greg Higgins is not a centre-back and Gary O'Donnell is just average sadly. Joe Bergin tried and got on a lot of ball but either kept slipping or kept fumbling or kicking the ball to the opposition. Finian Hanley I can barely remember touching the ball and is another who is out of position as he's just not a midfielder. Hardly anyone from either team caught a clean ball all day but Mayo definitely seemed to win more of the breaks around the middle. The full-back line actually did fairly well I thought considering there were two U-21's in it.
Up front I think it's fair to say Meehan, Nicky Joyce and Armstrong were badly missed. I'm including Meehan as he's patently nowhere near match fit or match sharp and how could he be after the best part of 18 months out. The game looked like it had come about a month too early for him. PJ tried and looked dangerous intermittently. Bane had a decent first half but faded badly as he sometimes does. Conroy again another out of position player because he is definitely not a full-forward. Mark Hehir had some nice touches in the first half overall the game passed him by a little but he'll improve. Bradshaw another playing at wing-forward when he's more suited to wing-back although with the lads not available maybe they felt they had to move him up front.
Turning point of the game possibly was when Concannon scored our only point of the second half. He definitely should have buried that chance in the net but didn't. Mayo then scored their goal about 3 minutes later so that was a 5 point swing in a few minutes. The remainder of the game played out with Galway players in their own half and around midfield kicking Galway free-kicks straight to Mayo lads standing 6 or 7 yards away from them and then watching them kick the ball over the bar. 4 or 5 points must have been gifted in such fashion. It was almost comical.
Certainly too I think the Galway management have to look at their own performance. By my reckoning there were possibly up to 5 or 6 Galway players playing out of position today. You can't have that many lads playing away from their best position and expect them to give a coherent team performance. And then when subs were made in the second half a forward was taken off for a defender and a defender was taken off and replaced by a forward. Head scratching stuff really.
Anyway having drawn Meath it looks like it's be two games and out for us this year.
I think the temptation would be to blow the thing apart and rebuild it from the bottom up. Appoint someone like Alan Mulholland and leave him at it for 3 or 4 years to bring though some of the younger player. At least at underage we seem to be getting our act together and producing talented players again but if you do that you have to be prepared to let them lose games as well until they learn how to win them.
QuoteChrist thats a poor Galway team. Mayo by 5 or 6. Could be even more painful than that for Galway and we could open the floodgates altogether and win by 10 to 15.
My prediction last week was right. The 2 O'Shea's should be very proud of their performances today and Ronan Mac played well also when he came on.
Our backs were very good also.
The conditions didn't suit some of our forwards but we never looked in danger of loosing this game as we dominated all over the field.
Hopefully we will have the momentum and mindset now to go to Hyde and beat what will be an organized and very physical Roscommon side. I think we have the better forwards to win it.
The first half was dominated by both back lines and this added to the poor conditions made for poor viewing. We upped our game in the 2nd half and that 2nd half was as good as any match played so far this year.
QuoteConroy again another out of position player because he is definitely not a full-forward.
He does not appear to be a midfielder either; I wonder where would suit him....
Excellent analysis from Ross Matt and Galway Bay Boy. It'll be a good Connacht Final. GBB, I hope you wire it up to Meath. Galway have big problems but I assure you, Meath aren't too hot themselves.
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Hopefully we will have the momentum and mindset now to go to Hyde and beat what will be an organized and very physical Roscommon side. I think we have the better forwards to win it.
You have got the momentum going into the Connacht final. Roscommon will be organized however they are not physical all their backs are small & light i wouldn't even class the taller guys Finneran,Shine etc as physical.
Janey that was woeful. I know conditions were bad, but all those lads are native Irish I think?
It's a long time since I saw such bad handling, passing, shooting and thinking. The carelessness would drive you scatty watching it.
I think that was a poor day for a great rivalry.
The worst game I have seen in 30 years :o
Quote from: Groucho on June 26, 2011, 09:37:08 PM
The worst game I have seen in 30 years :o
1993 Connacht final is still the worst game i have seen.
Mayo fully deserved the win today, better in every respect on the pitch. The free taking situation will come back to haunt them before the year is out though, maybe even in the next game.
Conditions were terrible in Castlebar which made it hard for both teams but even accounting for this the standard of fare was atrocious, the 1st half was the worst I think I've ever seen between Galway and Mayo. Galway were poxed to be leading at H-T, mostly through the inability of Mayo to kick scores in the 1st half. When Mayo then showed the slightest bit of fight in the 2nd half however, Galway didn't want to know - to only score 1 point in a half of football is pathetic.
Duane and Forde did well for debutants (although Forde was caught out for the Mayo goal), Faherty couldn't be faulted in goal, he had one great save in the 2nd half and a few decent stops, Bane at least looked like he would kick a score if the ball went into him, Bradshaw tried hard and Blake did well initially when introduced. Hanley was anonymous at midfield, Hehir got a fair idea of the difficult leap to senior inter county today and the rest weren't at the races at all either.
Having just seen the Higgins incident on the Sunday Game, it was a disgraceful, cowardly punch which should have been a definite red but IMHO it had no material difference on the result in the end, I believe Mayo would have won anyway.
Meath will be absolutely delighted with a home draw against us, I cannot for the life of me see what can be done in 2 weeks to sort anything out to even make it competitive - the players just aren't there right now. This is the worst state Galway senior football has been in a long, long time and who knows when we'll rise out of it again.
Quote from: western exile on June 26, 2011, 10:37:45 AM
Also, posters are over critical of that Galway team which I feel is better than most are saying.
I totally and unreservedly take back that comment from this morning :-[
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Quote from: Zulu on June 22, 2011, 01:37:26 PM
Hell I'm getting frustrated writing this, if I were a Mayo man living in Mayo I'd be kicking up holy war.
You are not a Mayoman. Please don't lecture us on how to be one.
;)
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I reserve the right to navigate myself onto my own rocks without some hoor lecturing me that I'm doing it wrong.
Seriously though it is depressing to read how many Mayo supporters join in the gratuitous bashing of our players, past and present, by some wind up merchant. How do we expect the players to have a back-bone when there are so many of their so called supporters who don't have one?
However win on Sunday and all will be the complete opposite again, way too much of the opposite.
Back to the team. I hope Trevor switches with McLoughlin and Ronan is fit enough to play some part if needed. But we should still win.
Some of our supporters should have a look at themselves.
Well done Mayo, you can only beat what is in front of you. When that is Galway you will take the win no matter how the game goes.
I will be on my knees in two weeks praying that Galway beat Meath and it can happen. Galway's problems seem to be as much on the side-line as on the pitch. Blake CHF? Bradshaw LHF?? Hanley MF??? Put these guys in their best positions, which were all problem areas, and things would improve quickly.
Not going to analyse as Ross Matt (and others) gave a good neutral's perspective, but Ros will still be the reddest of hot favourites the next day. ;D
Well what can you say about that from a Galway perspective? Utterly depressing stuff in the 2nd half particularly.To be outscored by 1-8 to a single point in the 2nd half of a championship game is inexcusable.
Mayo were no great shakes themselves but were deserving winners.
Higgins should have been shown a straight red and will probably get a ban based on video evidence. I think Mayo would have won regardless because we were so poor.
It's hard to know where we go from here. We have very little chance against Meath away in 2 weeks time and we could take a hammering in that game. O Flatharta will not get a second term.
We were a total shambles today.We were all over the place. Some really strange decisions made on the sideline - in fairness Hanley is not a midfielder, Bradshaw is not a forward and Blake most definitely is not a forward yet they were all played in those positions.
Time for radical surgery for the Meath game
Congratulations to JH and the lads - always good to beat Galway even if the game was desperately poor.
It's hard to call the final, neither Mayo nor Ross have beaten anyone decent (I'm sure Galway & Leitrim would be the first to acknowledge this) and both have been well beaten by Longford in the last 12 months but Ross will probably be marginal favourites as it's in the Hyde.
Some of the wides from Mayo were very poor and the free-taking is an absolute joke regardless of the wind. If we don't have a freetaker then maybe we need to start playing it short and taking the return pass? Despite how poor Galway were, I think it took us 50 minutes just to draw level and if Concannon had goaled rather than pointed then you'd wonder if we would have been good enough to come back.
On the upside, midfield was very good today and the half backs & forwards won a lot of good broken ball – they seemed much sharper and hungrier than Galway (which probably wasn't hard). It will be interesting to see what Horan does the next day - will McG go straight back into MF and move one of the O'Ses to the half forward line? It would be pretty harsh to drop either of the brothers.
Higgins should have got the line, don't know what he was thinking – there didn't seem to be any lead up to it or anything. Pretty sure they can't review it now that the ref gave him a yellow so he'll be there for the final.
Well done to the lads - that was a big win and a much needed win! Hopefully it will lift some of the pressure of their shoulders which was there after the defeats to Meath, Sligo, and London and the debacle in London. It has to be looked at in the context of how poor Galway were, and the general pace of the game. However when looking trouble they dug deep at the start of the second half and pulled it back level very quickly.
Good performances all round - Seamus O'Se was excellent in midfield, emptied the tank and gave us a good platform for winning. Kevin McLoughlin got through a huge amount of work. Alan Freeman took his goal chance well when it came to him. The backs as a unit worked really hard and did well.
No doubt Keith Higgins should have walked - after getting himself sent off at a crucial juncture against Longford last year you would think he would have learned a lesson. But Rory Hickey is a bad ref - how Jason Doherty didn't get a penalty is another question that needs to be asked?
The freetaking is a huge problem - some of the efforts yesterday were embarassing. It may have not been as bad if Dillon had calmed everybody with his first free which was relatively easy. He has had very good days on frees before and as captain needs to be handed that responsibility over the next 3 weeks in preparation for the Connacht Final. It is right to bring Hennelly out for 45s. The same type of misses in Roscommon will cost us the game.
So a weight off everybody's shoulders and with nothing to lose in the Connacht Final hopefully we can get over that line.
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*garbage and negativity*
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Truly we have sunk and next Sunday will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
You will be eating your words on Monday. Im backing Mayo by 4-6 points on PaddyPower at 9/2. Nice bet.
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QuoteIt may have not been as bad if Dillon had calmed everybody with his first free which was relatively easy.
James Horan referred to this alright on the SG but didn't go into too much detail. I think the plan B was for the players to sort it among themselves, plan C was for the goalie to come up. Plan C worked! We need a new plan A though.
I think Dillion made the same error in the county final from a 20 yard free.
Do freeman or doherty take frees at club level? Its a simple enough problem to fix, we need someone for the close in frees from the left and the right. The goalie is our obvious freetaker for the far out ones and for the 50's.
I just cannot understand the messing with the frees. Jason Doherty was kicking them over for fun for NUIG earlier in the year. O'Connor is well able to hit frees as well. I had assumed that was the reason he was picked to start against Galway but apparently not. Dillon is too unpredictable on them at this stage and should not take any in the Connacht final. Anything outside 40 metres and we will have to bring up Feeney or Hennelly, none of our inside forwards have the range, but the situation that has developed with the close in frees is ridiculous and it reflects badly on JH that he has not been able to sort it.
Galwayman - do you really think getting rid of O'Flatharta is going to help - getting rid of Forde, Sammon or Kernan didn't. Kevin Walsh will probably be available but would you want him? The under-21 guy is probably best left with the 21s for the time being. Actually its interesting that Galway played Cavan in the U-21 final this year because if any two teams need a heap of new players to come in to get back to where they feel they should be its those two. Both counties also prove that changing the manager again and again is a pointless exercise.
What we need now is a settled team,something we have not had for about 5 years.
Maybe then we will see confidence grow and see some leaders emerge.
It is difficult to be a leader if you don't know you are going to be a regular on the team.
A lot of the players are about the same standard so it is difficult to decide on the formation ,if we had a smaller selection
like some counties it would be easier to select a settled team
In my opinion it does not necessarily need to be the 15 best players in the county but it would be nice if 12 or 13 of the best were included.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2011, 12:21:01 AM
Ros will still be the reddest of hot favourites the next day. ;D
Mayowestros 4/7
Rest of Co Roscommon 5/4
anyone of the opinion that the referee gave out yellows awful easy yday?
I think that Tom Cunniffe would certainly agree but his corner back colleague might have a different view.
well the higgins incident is a different matter, but feeney got an early yellow for very little aswel?
RTE were annoying me with their criticism of referees in general in both games. Yes there were a few obvious mistakes but are they now going to spend each week picking on the easy target?
The above was what I going to post until I saw the finish of the Dublin v Kildare game. No further comment.
Christ it's a depressing Monday to be a Galway follower! :-[ I've never left a match so disgusted. The only lads that can come away fromthis with their heads held high are Adrian Faherty, Colin Forde and Johnny Duane, the rest just didn't turn up. While it's very easy to blame the management they were responsible for a lot of the crap on show yesterday. Half back line was a disgrace, Greg Higgins was beat up a stick by Dillon all day and was left on him, midfield was a disaster, Joe Bergin only seemed to have one workin arm, why he couldn't go up with two hands for any ball was vexing especially when there was nobody there to catch the breaks, Finian Hanley god love him hadn't a clue what he was doing, he's a full back not a midfielder and this experiment just hasn't worked, just because he's tall doesn't make him a midfielder! Half forward line were another catastrophe, Concannon did nothing all day except blaze the ball over the bar when he had an open goal, Hehir was anonymous and will want to forget his senior debut, Bradshaw I presume was meant to stay around midfield and mop up breaking ball, that didn't happen. Padraic Joyce in the corner was just plain stupid, the man hasn't the legs he used to have, he never plays in the corner, 11 or 14 are the positions for him, straight in front of the posts where he can work an angle for himself. I presume the idea of playing Conroy at 14 was to pump the ball in high and for Padraic and Bane to work off him, kind of hard for that to happen when they spent most of the time passing back and over around midfield. Bane scored 4 fine points and got taken off in the 2nd half? If I was him I'd be rightly browned off. The sub decisions didn't make a bit of sense either, bringing on Blake for Hehir, as if we hadn't enough backs on! Micheal Boyle blazed a trail through the u-21 championship, why wasn't he sent on? Throwing Meehan into the deep end when the damage was already done, Mattie Clancy again thrown on and ended up getting swallowed up nearly everytime he got the ball, he slips and slides on a dry day never mind a day like yesterday. We're going to get beaten by Meath and badly beaten if players aren't played in proper positions. The players themselves also have a lot to answer for, there was no pride in the jersey out there yesterday, once Mayo went one ahead every Galway supporter knew that was it, we wouldn't be able to come back because these lads don't seem to want to battle and grind out a win anymore. Against Meath I'd like to see Finian Hanley restored to no.3, move Colin Forde to the corner or to no.6. Bradshaw and Sice on the wings, think we're stuck with Bergin at midfiled for the moment, move out Conroy with him or else throw on one of the u-21s, not sure what the story with Armstrong is but I doubt he'll be fit for Navan, Meehan will hardly be ready for a full 70 yet, I'd have Padraic at 14, I'd start Boyle before Hehir, one thing Boyle isn't short on is confidence and that's one thing the Galway lads seemed to be lacking yesterday. The amount of stupid fouling and misplaced passes was unreal, real basic stuff. One point in 35 minutes is an embarrassing statistic. According to Ray Silke the only team Galway have beaten in championship since 2008 is New York, tells its own tale really. :-\
Quote from: Cosmo Kramer on June 27, 2011, 10:01:10 AM
I just cannot understand the messing with the frees. Jason Doherty was kicking them over for fun for NUIG earlier in the year. O'Connor is well able to hit frees as well. I had assumed that was the reason he was picked to start against Galway but apparently not. Dillon is too unpredictable on them at this stage and should not take any in the Connacht final. Anything outside 40 metres and we will have to bring up Feeney or Hennelly, none of our inside forwards have the range, but the situation that has developed with the close in frees is ridiculous and it reflects badly on JH that he has not been able to sort it.
Galwayman - do you really think getting rid of O'Flatharta is going to help - getting rid of Forde, Sammon or Kernan didn't. Kevin Walsh will probably be available but would you want him? The under-21 guy is probably best left with the 21s for the time being. Actually its interesting that Galway played Cavan in the U-21 final this year because if any two teams need a heap of new players to come in to get back to where they feel they should be its those two. Both counties also prove that changing the manager again and again is a pointless exercise.
It doesn't reflect badly on JH in my opinion that the free taker issue wasn't dealt with up to now. There were a lot more fundamental issues with this mayo team up to yesterday and free taking was well down the line. Rome wasn't built in a day and i have no doubt that the free taking issue will be resolved before the Hyde. Horan has turned this team around from a pretty low base and if the same rate of improvement is made between now and the CF, we won't be far off the mark in the hyde.It is however, crazy that mayo do not seem to have an intercounty footballer who is capable of slotting over a free kick, off the ground or out of the hands from within 35 yards, surely every forward and half forward has this kind of range to some degree.
Good to beat the old enemy. As the saying goes, you cant beat them often enough or by enough. There was a galway flag flying at half mast at the factory beside us here in Tuam this morning
Positives from yesterday:
Alan Feeney looks like a decent full back. He had a good solid game.
Kevin Mcloughlin. Hoovered up a lot of ball and is a real natural footballer (begs the question as to why he was benched for London game??)
Seamus O'Se had solid game for the 60 minutes or so that he was on
Alan Freeman. Got limited enough amount of ball but still scored 1-02. class act.
Good second half will hopefully give the team a bit of momentum for the final
Negatives:
Free taking calamity. What is Horan at? He had 4 different freetakers inside 20 minutes.
Dillon not able to kick the ball over from anything outside 25yards. (good player,and in most people's view, our best forward, but he wouldnt cut it on any of the contenders teams ie Cork,Kerry)
K Higgins acting the clown.
The keepers studs... He was like a baby giraffe on ice.
I wont add much to whats already being said. It was a terrible game indeed but the conditions didnt help. Mayo showed some glimpses in the second half and will gain some confidence from the win. The win will also help get rid of the memory of the London game and help us move on from last season.
Regarding the match itself; I was happy enough with the defence but they will face sterner tests in the future. Galway were fairly poor so its not a game that we will have found out much from.
In fairness to the O Sheas they did very well at midfield. Seamus O Shea especially showed great hunger and was the driving force for us around the middle and I think he surprised a few people. He would be one of my nominations for man of the match.
Elsewhere the other initial worries, Vaughan and Trevor Mortimor, both had a decent game. I think that it was O Heirs first championship start for the seniors but Vaughan did well on him which is all we can ask. Mortimer was also effective even though he did a couple of crazy things. His workrate was first rate.
The free taking was bad even though the wind was tricky to kick against. Dillon and AOS will be disappointed with their own free taking but I can see them trying to correct that on the training ground before the Connacht final so we will see an improvement. It would be a big call to take the frees off Dillon altogether after one bad day at the office. Players at all levels go through games like that so I wouldnt panic just yet.
Regarding the 45's, again its disappointing that we dont have a freetaker on the panel that is good enough or confident enough from the ground but what do you do? Its something that Mayo have missed since Maurice Sheridan and since then not many players would stick out in my mind that would be near as capable.
If you list all the current top clubs freetakers from the ground you dont come up with too many names that are
A. Consistent enough at scoring 45's
B. Good enough a player for the responsibility at county level
Would someone care to help with the list to see what I am getting at (and correct me if I am wrong)?
Club players who take 45's
(clubs in no particular order apart from Ballintubber being at the top as we are the best ;p )
Ballintubber - Padraic O Connor (not playing county football)
Castlebar - Richie Feeney (is he consistent enough? )
Knockmore - Kilcoyne (not playing county football)
Crossmolina - Ian Roland (not playing county football)
Ballaghadreen - David Kilcullen (not playing county football)
Charlestown - Mulligan(?) (not playing county football)
Ballinrobe - O Malley (goal keeper - not playing county football)
Breaffy - Durkin(?) (not playing county football)
Ballina - ?
Its Ok giving out and winging about it, but until someone like that young Quirke lad breaks through the ranks and proves he can do it at senior level I think we are better off leaving 45's to the keeper as I dont see an alternative at the minute.
The game was there to be won and we won it is about the best thing that can be said. I think some of the first half performance can be put down to lack of confidence, hopefully this team will grow from the last couple of games.
Positives:
Midfield and half back line in particular played very well, as did McLoughlin at 10.
Work rate was good even from fellas who didn't have the best of games.
Freeman had a good 2nd half.
Doherty didn't get much ball but looked dangerous when he got it - I feel he's the type of player who'll be quite through a lot of the game but then end up with 2-1 or something like that.
McGarrity coming back, a perfect 10/15 mins for him and he looked fit and fired up.
Negatives:
Freetaking.
Decision making in the first half especially.
Not converting our chances.
The Keith Higgins incident - didn't see it myself but he seems like a lucky lad.
Dillon and Moran worked hard and handled a lot of ball but wasted a lot also (Dillon was especially guilty of this)
I though O'Connor was anonymous in the first half
On the freetaking I think it is false to say Horan didn't address this between London and y'day. In London I think we had 8 different free takers taking kicks from all over the place. Yesterday there was a plan of Dillon taking frees out to 35 on the left hand side, O'Shea from the right hand side and Hennelly taking the further out ones and overall we stuck with this plan. Unfortunately neither Dillon or O'Shea had good days but are capable of better (certainly we've seen better from Dillon previously). As for the keeper taking the 45's and such I think he's the best lad for the job - he won't slip as much as he did yesterday ever again I'd say. It just goes to show how much C Mort is missed in those situations if for nothing else.
I always had the impression Maurice Sheridan was on the team just for his freetaking ability.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
I always had the impression Maurice Sheridan was on the team just for his freetaking ability.
Maurice Sheridan apparently works on the frees with the Minors & Ryan Quirke had no problem knocking over 50m frees yesterday.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
I always had the impression Maurice Sheridan was on the team just for his freetaking ability.
Thats debatable, but a lot would agree with you.
In the modern game can you spare someone like that who would offer nothing from play and just be there as a free taker? Even Brian Sheehan from Kerry always had something to offer from play.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
I always had the impression Maurice Sheridan was on the team just for his freetaking ability.
You weren't the only one. Anyway, look what a win albeit in terrible conditions has done! It has lifted some of the doom and gloom. Maybe I was being over-pessimistic, and maybe still I am because Roscommon will be hoping and praying for 2001 all over again. Meanwhile Mayo will be hoping for revenge the next day.
Quote from: ross4life on June 27, 2011, 03:42:30 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
I always had the impression Maurice Sheridan was on the team just for his freetaking ability.
Maurice Sheridan apparently works on the frees with the Minors & Ryan Quirke had no problem knocking over 50m frees yesterday.
As I said
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 27, 2011, 02:27:58 PM
...but until someone like that young Quirke lad breaks through the ranks and proves he can do it at senior level I think we are better off leaving 45's to the keeper as I dont see an alternative at the minute.
I dont think you can expect things to improve on this front in the immediate future for Mayo, as its not as easy a skill to develop in your 20's.
Practice improves a skill and any of the current players can marginally improve on their kicking of 45's, but talent at any skill is something that is developed at a much younger age. So until someone comes through with that talent and ability developed then this problem wont disappear.
I say leave it to someone who can kick accurately and have the distance as the ball will either go over the bar or dead. If that means Hennelly, then so be it. It may be ugly but its honest.
Just on Hennelly's performance, what did people think? Was the couple of spills and errors enough to see Clarke given a run?
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 27, 2011, 03:52:35 PM
Just on Hennelly's performance, what did people think? Was the couple of spills and errors enough to see Clarke given a run?
I have no problem with Clarke whatsoever but dropping a young goalkeeper who hasn't done much wrong would be damaging all round. You could damage the young lads confidence while the senior fella coming in might think he is on thin ice already as you dropped the other fella for very little.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2011, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
I always had the impression Maurice Sheridan was on the team just for his freetaking ability.
You weren't the only one. Anyway, look what a win albeit in terrible conditions has done! It has lifted some of the doom and gloom. Maybe I was being over-pessimistic, and maybe still I am because Roscommon will be hoping and praying for 2001 all over again. Meanwhile Mayo will be hoping for revenge the next day.
Stop the wummery farran it doesn't suit you.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 27, 2011, 03:44:49 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 03:31:49 PM
I always had the impression Maurice Sheridan was on the team just for his freetaking ability.
You weren't the only one. Anyway, look what a win albeit in terrible conditions has done! It has lifted some of the doom and gloom. Maybe I was being over-pessimistic, and maybe still I am because Roscommon will be hoping and praying for 2001 all over again. Meanwhile Mayo will be hoping for revenge the next day.
Janey, will ya get away with ya outa that! ;D
If any Mayo or Rossie players are going to bother about a game that was played when most of them were probably still in short trousers, they'd deserve a good kick up the arse with a brush handle—as they'd put it down my way.
I expect a great game and I don't think either side needs historical baggage of any sort to give it a kick-start.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 27, 2011, 03:52:35 PM
Just on Hennelly's performance, what did people think? Was the couple of spills and errors enough to see Clarke given a run?
I have no problem with Clarke whatsoever but dropping a young goalkeeper who hasn't done much wrong would be damaging all round. You could damage the young lads confidence while the senior fella coming in might think he is on thin ice already as you dropped the other fella for very little.
Muppet,you should turn that into a haiku.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 27, 2011, 03:52:35 PM
Just on Hennelly's performance, what did people think? Was the couple of spills and errors enough to see Clarke given a run?
I have no problem with Clarke whatsoever but dropping a young goalkeeper who hasn't done much wrong would be damaging all round. You could damage the young lads confidence while the senior fella coming in might think he is on thin ice already as you dropped the other fella for very little.
Muppet,you should turn that into a haiku.
Goalie gone....
James what are you on?
God help us.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2011, 10:08:32 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2011, 10:04:48 PM
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 27, 2011, 03:52:35 PM
Just on Hennelly's performance, what did people think? Was the couple of spills and errors enough to see Clarke given a run?
I have no problem with Clarke whatsoever but dropping a young goalkeeper who hasn't done much wrong would be damaging all round. You could damage the young lads confidence while the senior fella coming in might think he is on thin ice already as you dropped the other fella for very little.
Muppet,you should turn that into a haiku.
Goalie gone....
James what are you on?
God help us.
Mayo confidence
Fragile like
Cherry blossom in Roscommon
Could anyone tell me what Galway subs were listed in the match day 24? Thanks
The long distance frees are one thing but we have noone to knock over the handy frees up to 35yds out, Young Mort will walk back onto that team for that ability alone.
FFS we had 2 frees from about 30yd yesterday drop into the goalie hands!!!
Quote from: ludermor on June 27, 2011, 10:53:32 PM
The long distance frees are one thing but we have noone to knock over the handy frees up to 35yds out, Young Mort will walk back onto that team for that ability alone.
FFS we had 2 frees from about 30yd yesterday drop into the goalie hands!!!
The Fan: FFS we had 2 frees from about 30yd yesterday drop into the goalie hands.
The Manager: We are improving, last week it was 25 yards.
The Sunday Game: Blind single cell organisms can kick it better.
The Politician: Mayo don't need a bail out.
Quote from: galwayman on June 27, 2011, 10:47:28 PM
Could anyone tell me what Galway subs were listed in the match day 24? Thanks
From the program:
16. Páraic Lally
17. Kieran McGrath
18. Niall Coyne
19. Diarmuid Blake
20. Fionntán Ó Curraoin
21. Matthew Clancy
22. Danny Cummins
23. Michael Boyle
24. Fiachra Breathnach
25. Michael Meehan
26. Eric Monahan
God help us, it's worse than we thought!! Apart from Michael Meehan I'll exempt some of the u-21s too but it's hardly strength in depth and considering what went on on Sunday, if the main stays can't push for a start the next day, they really should consider the future!
Delighted with that result yesterday - I d have taken somebody s hand off for a six point win at 2 o clock when it was starting to piss rain. Or any win. Apart from the miserable attempts at frees our general perfprmance was not bad at all. Under the circumstances - and circumstances were not good at all.
I m happy with the performance of all the players that started. Not saying they were all 9/10 but we had no nightmares either. A few curate s eggs but no gluggers.
I m also pleased we had to dig it out. That and London will stand to us. We would have won that a lot easier with a dry ball and a free taker but what good would that do us. Most days I remember in the Hyde were windy and it is not unusual to rain in the midlands as well. And the performance of the players the last day suggests that they are not going to lie down and feel sorry for themselves just because the frees are a mess.
I thought it was one of our best midfield displays for some time. Apart from a dip on the 45 min mark we were 60/40 at least. You d have to be pleased with the brothers. They re worth feedin good steak. McGarrity looked great also when introduced and his control and awareness was something some of the other experienced ones could learn from. His passes were sympathetic, into the hand, unlike some of the others' passes that were overcooked - just skittered low in front of a man runing full tilt - like a wet bar of soap on a tiled floor.
If Hennelly can kick a point it counts the same as anybody else. If Jason Doherty was kicking them all year.....? Cillian O Connor was deadly since I can remember. But is there a bit of prestige to be gained to kickin one. Alan Dillon sent the keeper back yesterday when he was halfways up to take one about 30 metres out. Grand, but it landed in keepers lap. If Dillon is going to assume that responsibility then he has to nail it. I remember 15 years ago people saying that it would be great if we could bring Maurice Sheridan on just to kick the frees, American Football style. Well now we can with Hennelly and people are moaning. i d have him take 14 yards ones in front of posts if I trusted him more than the othres.
Quote from: Tatler Jack on June 25, 2011, 09:44:56 PM
Tá ceantair Ghaeltachta i Mhaigh Eó agus Gaillimh agus ba cheart dúinn an cluiche a phlé as Gaeilge.
Tabharfaidh Maigh Eó agus Gaillimh aghaidh ar a chéile i gcluiche leathcheannais peile Chonnachta a imreofar i bPáirc Mhic Éilí an Domhnach beag seo . Tá an-spéis léirithe ag an bpobal sa choimhlint seo a bheidh mar ceann den mhórchluiche an deireadh seachtaine
Gan dabht is ait an cluiche seo – easpa muinín sna dhá chontae agus coimhlint gear ar siúl faoi "cé acu is measa" !! Is fada an lá o chonaic mé lucht leanúna Mhaigh Eó chomh ísle – chuir an taispeántas i gcoinne London iad in umar na h-aimléise. Níl foireann socraithe acu agus easpa ceannairí freisin. Taobh amuigh de Alan Dillon agus fear Ros Comáin Andy Moran cá bhfuil na ceannairí? Nuair a thiocfaidh an crú ar an tairne an bhfuil na-himreoirí ag Mhaigh Eó chun an liathróid salach a bhucaint? Nílim cinnte go bhfuil siad ann.
De réir na tuairiscí bhí an t-ádh dearg ar Mhaigh Eó i Ruislip ach is dócha go raibh an iomarca muinín inti an lá sin!!! Táim ag súil ar thaispeántas i bhfad níos fearr ó Mhaigh Eó an Domhnach beag seo. Beidh an coimhlint i lár na páirce an-thábhacht agus tá péire nua ag Maigh Eó – na deartháireacha O' Sé. Cé nach bhfuil aon dabht gur sár- pheileadóirí iad nílim cinnte an bhfuil siad an péire is fearr – ní bheidh ionadh ar bith orm má thiocfaidh Rónán McGarrity ar an pháirc go luath sa cluiche. Chuir na tosaithe a lán seansanna amú i gcoinne Londain ach is é mo thuairim go bhfuil imreoirí ag Mhaigh Eó sna tosaithe leis an cumas chun na scóranna a aimsiú, cúil ina measc.
Níl a fhios agam faoi Ghaillimh. Bhí siad go dona i dtús an sraith ach chríochnaigh siad go maith cé go raibh siad dícháilithe go Roinn a 2. Ó shín tá an craobh fé U21 buaite acu agus de réir na ráflaí tá rudaí ag dul go maith sa traenáil – bhí an bua acu i gcluichí dúshláin i gcoinne Corcaigh agus BAC. Beidh siad ag brath ar taispeántas mór ó Joe Bergin i lár na páirce agus ón Pádraig Seoighe sna tosaithe. Is buille mór dóibh a bheith d'uireasa Meehan agus Armstrong – faoiseamh don chosantóirí Mhaigh Eó nach bhfuil siad ag imirt!!!
An toradh? Tá sé deacair a rá. B'fhéidir go bhfuil níos mó muinín ag Gaillimh agus níos mó taithí acu ar an taobh líne. Ach shílim go bhfuil siad fós ag brath go leor ar an Seoighe. Bhí Maigh Eó uafásach i gcoinne Londain ach ní bheidh siad chomh dona an Domhnach seo. Tá imreoirí maith acu, tá siad sa bhaile agus sílim go mbeidh an bua acu.
A Thatler, a chara, is fíor duit go bhfuil Gaeltachta againne idir Muigh Eo agus Gaillimh, ach sílim féin go bhfuil an iomarca béime ar an nGaeltacht mar thobar na Gaeilge. Sílim féin go bhfuil a tábhachtach caite, agus ba chóir duinn níos mó samhlaíocha a úsáid chun todhchaí na teanga a fheiceáil agus a shocraigh.
Maidir leis an gcluiche, aontaím leis na tuairimí anseo. Bhí níos mó madra ag Muigh Eo ar drochlá, agus tá na Gaillimhí i gcruachas ceart. Is ceist na Gaillimhe é seo, in ionad eachtranaigh cosuil linne ag breathnú thar an gclaí orthu, ach cuirim an locht ar an mbainisteoireacht in ionad ar na n-imreoirí. Ní fheadair a rá nach bhfuil imreoirí ann agus na craobhacha faoi-21 atá buaite acu. Caithfidh bord peile na Gaillimhe ceisteanna crua a chur orthu féin maidir le Sammon, Kernan agus an Flaithearthach. I mo thuairim amháin, ar ndóigh.
Quote from: muppet on June 27, 2011, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 27, 2011, 03:52:35 PM
Just on Hennelly's performance, what did people think? Was the couple of spills and errors enough to see Clarke given a run?
I have no problem with Clarke whatsoever but dropping a young goalkeeper who hasn't done much wrong would be damaging all round. You could damage the young lads confidence while the senior fella coming in might think he is on thin ice already as you dropped the other fella for very little.
Ya I agree, I was just putting the question out there as some people were saying that Clarke should get his chance next time.
Might as well throw in my tuppence worth on Sunday's game.
It's always good to beat Galway and when you beat them by 6 points you would usually think Mayo are going places.
But that was the worst Galway championship performance against Mayo that I have ever witnessed.
I was very happy with most of the Mayo players, and the team as a unit. The defence were very good - the two Feeneys, Cunniffe and Vaughan especially. PJ was causing a fair bit of trouble for Keith Higgins in the first half. Joyce tired as the game went on though, and wasn't much of a threat from then on. T Mort did fairly well but also gave away some very sloppy ball in the first half. He scored a good point from play when we needed it and when our freetakers were making a balls of it.
The two O'Sheas did very well in the middle as did McGarrity when he came on. We now seem to have options there, and it will be hard to budge either of the O'Sheas from their starting places.
I thought McLoughlin got through a massive amount of work. I always thought he was a bit too light for senior football, but it was no hindrance to him on Sunday, he was excellent.
Alan and Andy had poor games by their standards, but thankfully the other forwards were able to do what was needed. Freeman had a poor first half, he couldn't pick the ball up at all (neither could a few others), but he had a very good second half when he moved out the field a bit. Doherty was quiet enough, but we have seen how dangerous he can be when he gets the opportunity so I would stick with him.
I thought Cillian O'Connor did well when he got on the ball, was unlucky with one great point attempt and could have got a goal. Showed plenty of potential.
All in all, we're definitely going in the right direction and I can't feckin wait for the Connacht final in a packed Hyde!
I agree Dillon and Moran were poor on Sunday, still the press gave Moran man of the match. I actually believe Mayo can kick on provided they drop those two. They bring nothing to the picnic. Free taking is abysmal. Anyway I know that Horan wont drop them and I know that the end is nigh. Roscommon are doing what they tend to do at the start of most decades...win Connacht titles. The 1960s/70s/80s/90s/00s and last year. Never ever rule out the dead hand of history.
QuoteI agree Dillon and Moran were poor on Sunday
I don't know what game ye lads were watching. Moran was involved in most of our scores in the 2nd half and won a huge amount of dirty ball throughout the game. Dillon's shooting wasn't great but otherwise he had a good game.
Thank God you're not a selector.
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
I agree Dillon and Moran were poor on Sunday, still the press gave Moran man of the match. I actually believe Mayo can kick on provided they drop those two. They bring nothing to the picnic. Free taking is abysmal. Anyway I know that Horan wont drop them and I know that the end is nigh. Roscommon are doing what they tend to do at the start of most decades...win Connacht titles. The 1960s/70s/80s/90s/00s and last year. Never ever rule out the dead hand of history.
Andy Moran set up almost all of our second half scores, and ye want to drop him?
Alan Dillon is the best player we have at making himself available for passes out of defense, while Andy wins what Conor Deegan called 'dirty ball' on Newstalk. Both of them are also very good at retaining possession and getting the full forward line moving.
Dropping either of them would be crazy, but both?
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
I agree Dillon and Moran were poor on Sunday, still the press gave Moran man of the match. I actually believe Mayo can kick on provided they drop those two.
So Moran gets many journalists man of the match, and Dillon gets man of the match on Midwest and you are saying that Mayo can improve provided they drop those two?
Such rubbish.
Last week you had more tripe:
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 24, 2011, 01:37:16 PM
Truly we have sunk and next Sunday[against Galway] will confirm the drop. Back door will nail it home.
You have a serious chip on your shoulder
Quote from: southsidejohnny on June 28, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
I agree Dillon and Moran were poor on Sunday, still the press gave Moran man of the match. I actually believe Mayo can kick on provided they drop those two. They bring nothing to the picnic. Free taking is abysmal. Anyway I know that Horan wont drop them and I know that the end is nigh. Roscommon are doing what they tend to do at the start of most decades...win Connacht titles. The 1960s/70s/80s/90s/00s and last year. Never ever rule out the dead hand of history.
Step away from the keyboard.
To suggest we can only improve by dropping Moran and Dillon (our captain and vice captain, and two of our most consistent performers) is absolute horse shite.
This whole "the end is nigh" rubbish is pathetic. Are you PSTG in disguise?
4 points i would like to make about sundays game
1 conditions were brutal and in reality mayo will be better on a dry day
2 mayo improved greatly in the second half
3 no way should andy moran and dillion be dropped- dillion showed for a huge amount of ball
4 an outfield player must take the 45's or else just play them short if no one has the legs for it.
- have to get back to work now!
Abbey, then you also would be walking straight into a trap....
Does the answer to that question really matter? Why try to prolong the "discussion?"
I'm a wee bit surprised that a number of experienced and normally sensible posters felt the need to ask the question at all.
Quote4 an outfield player must take the 45's or else just play them short if no one has the legs for it.
This kind of opinion baffles me - out of curiosity why do some people have the opinion that it has to be an outfield player who kicks 45s?
The reality is that there are not a huge number of footballers who have the distance to kick 45s from the ground. And anyway most free takers take kicks from the hands in modern day football. Goalkeepers on pretty much every team have the distance required to convert 45s and take more kicks from the ground than any other player.
Surely they are the most qualified then to attempt to convert 45s?
Look at Cluxtons success rate for the Dubs from long range frees for instance (and I know not many keepers have his accuracy from the placed ball by the way).
Am I imagining it or did ye're keeper not kick 2 long range points for ye on Sunday?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2011, 02:13:53 PM
Abbey, then you also would be walking straight into a trap....
Does the answer to that question really matter? Why try to prolong the "discussion?"
I'm a wee bit surprised that a number of experienced and normally sensible posters felt the need to ask the question at all.
What kind of world would we live in if hair-brain and stupid ideas were left unchecked Lar?
I see you point about everyone falling for the Wind Up Merchant, but it wasnt a once off. The kid seems to have a serious bee in his bonnet to come out with such statements and I suppose everyone is waiting for him to back them up, if he can.
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2011, 02:23:23 PM
Quote4 an outfield player must take the 45's or else just play them short if no one has the legs for it.
This kind of opinion baffles me - out of curiosity why do some people have the opinion that it has to be an outfield player who kicks 45s?
The reality is that there are not a huge number of footballers who have the distance to kick 45s from the ground. And anyway most free takers take kicks from the hands in modern day football. Goalkeepers on pretty much every team have the distance required to convert 45s and take more kicks from the ground than any other player.
Surely they are the most qualified then to attempt to convert 45s?
Look at Cluxtons success rate for the Dubs from long range frees for instance (and I know not many keepers have his accuracy from the placed ball by the way).
Am I imagining it or did ye're keeper not kick 2 long range points for ye on Sunday?
+1
Quote from: ross4life on June 26, 2011, 09:44:33 PM
Quote from: Groucho on June 26, 2011, 09:37:08 PM
The worst game I have seen in 30 years :o
1993 Connacht final is still the worst game i have seen.
Wash your mouth out Ross4Life, how could it be when Knockmore men won it on their own? O'Neill, Dempsey and Stanton did all the scoring
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2011, 02:23:23 PM
Quote4 an outfield player must take the 45's or else just play them short if no one has the legs for it.
This kind of opinion baffles me - out of curiosity why do some people have the opinion that it has to be an outfield player who kicks 45s?
The reality is that there are not a huge number of footballers who have the distance to kick 45s from the ground. And anyway most free takers take kicks from the hands in modern day football. Goalkeepers on pretty much every team have the distance required to convert 45s and take more kicks from the ground than any other player.
Surely they are the most qualified then to attempt to convert 45s?
Look at Cluxtons success rate for the Dubs from long range frees for instance (and I know not many keepers have his accuracy from the placed ball by the way).
Am I imagining it or did ye're keeper not kick 2 long range points for ye on Sunday?
he did, but he had a return of 2 from 7 and fell on his arse twice hitting them. i have no problem a keeper hitting them but in our case it is not working.
A six point win over the old enemy and there's more questions than answers on this board. The more things change, the more they stay the same :P
I'd start pretty much the same team for the Connacht Final. Cunniffe might be under pressure but that should be it. McGarrity has a lot of work to do to be in contention, fitness wise. That wouldn't have been apparent from his ten minute cameo on Sunday.
Hennelly should take long range frees because he's our best long range free-taker, simple as. Closer to goal Dillon needs to improve but can do so. Maybe Cillian O'Connor is an option, on both sides.
Andy Moran was Mayo's main man/leader on Sunday. game is up on RTE real player watch it again guys & u'll see almost every chance went through him. Dillon wasn't at his best but was still better than most of Galway's forwards.
Most teams that are going places need at least 4 good scoring forwards & in Dillon,Moran,Freeman,Doherty Mayo have that.
Quote from: ross4life on June 28, 2011, 03:30:16 PM
Andy Moran was Mayo's main man/leader on Sunday. game is up on RTE real player watch it again guys & u'll see almost every chance went through him. Dillon wasn't at his best but was still better than most of Galway's forwards.
Most teams that are going places need at least 4 good scoring forwards & in Dillon,Moran,Freeman,Doherty Mayo have that.
Andy Moran is a leader but I think there's plenty of improvement in him. He did set up lots of scored but also wasted a good bit of ball - more so in the first half. Dropping him would be crazy - who do they think would replace him?
As for Dillon it was far from his best day on Sunday, missed frees and scoring chances and seems to be lacking a bit in confidence. But he kept working all day and showed for ball. We know he has class and he has the All-Star to prove it. We can not afford to drop a natural footballer like him even if he's not at his best right now.
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2011, 10:09:23 AM
Might as well throw in my tuppence worth on Sunday's game.
It's always good to beat Galway and when you beat them by 6 points you would usually think Mayo are going places.
But that was the worst Galway championship performance against Mayo that I have ever witnessed.
I was very happy with most of the Mayo players, and the team as a unit. The defence were very good - the two Feeneys, Cunniffe and Vaughan especially. PJ was causing a fair bit of trouble for Keith Higgins in the first half. Joyce tired as the game went on though, and wasn't much of a threat from then on. T Mort did fairly well but also gave away some very sloppy ball in the first half. He scored a good point from play when we needed it and when our freetakers were making a balls of it.
The two O'Sheas did very well in the middle as did McGarrity when he came on. We now seem to have options there, and it will be hard to budge either of the O'Sheas from their starting places.
I thought McLoughlin got through a massive amount of work. I always thought he was a bit too light for senior football, but it was no hindrance to him on Sunday, he was excellent.
Alan and :o had poor games by their standards, but thankfully the other forwards were able to do what was needed. Freeman had a poor first half, he couldn't pick the ball up at all (neither could a few others), but he had a very good second half when he moved out the field a bit. Doherty was quiet enough, but we have seen how dangerous he can be when he gets the opportunity so I would stick with him.
I thought Cillian O'Connor did well when he got on the ball, was unlucky with one great point attempt and could have got a goal. Showed plenty of potential.
All in all, we're definitely going in the right direction and I can't feckin wait for the Connacht final in a packed Hyde!
Watch it on TV Tubberman. Moran was the most infleuntial player in the whole match.
Quote from: ross matt on June 28, 2011, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on June 28, 2011, 10:09:23 AM
Might as well throw in my tuppence worth on Sunday's game.
It's always good to beat Galway and when you beat them by 6 points you would usually think Mayo are going places.
But that was the worst Galway championship performance against Mayo that I have ever witnessed.
I was very happy with most of the Mayo players, and the team as a unit. The defence were very good - the two Feeneys, Cunniffe and Vaughan especially. PJ was causing a fair bit of trouble for Keith Higgins in the first half. Joyce tired as the game went on though, and wasn't much of a threat from then on. T Mort did fairly well but also gave away some very sloppy ball in the first half. He scored a good point from play when we needed it and when our freetakers were making a balls of it.
The two O'Sheas did very well in the middle as did McGarrity when he came on. We now seem to have options there, and it will be hard to budge either of the O'Sheas from their starting places.
I thought McLoughlin got through a massive amount of work. I always thought he was a bit too light for senior football, but it was no hindrance to him on Sunday, he was excellent.
Alan and :o had poor games by their standards, but thankfully the other forwards were able to do what was needed. Freeman had a poor first half, he couldn't pick the ball up at all (neither could a few others), but he had a very good second half when he moved out the field a bit. Doherty was quiet enough, but we have seen how dangerous he can be when he gets the opportunity so I would stick with him.
I thought Cillian O'Connor did well when he got on the ball, was unlucky with one great point attempt and could have got a goal. Showed plenty of potential.
All in all, we're definitely going in the right direction and I can't feckin wait for the Connacht final in a packed Hyde!
Watch it on TV Tubberman. Moran was the most infleuntial player in the whole match.
I watched the highlights earlier and he was definitely centrally involved in our best moves in the second half, so I was overly harsh on him there.
He was wasteful in the first half though, took on a few crazy efforts at points when he should have played the ball to someone in a better position.
That stuck in my mind because I had seen him do that a lot in the past. But happy to say he was very good in the second half, looked better than I had thought when I was at the match.
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 28, 2011, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2011, 02:13:53 PM
Abbey, then you also would be walking straight into a trap....
Does the answer to that question really matter? Why try to prolong the "discussion?"
I'm a wee bit surprised that a number of experienced and normally sensible posters felt the need to ask the question at all.
What kind of world would we live in if hair-brain and stupid ideas were left unchecked Lar?
I see you point about everyone falling for the Wind Up Merchant, but it wasnt a once off. The kid seems to have a serious bee in his bonnet to come out with such statements and I suppose everyone is waiting for him to back them up, if he can.
I'm being totally serious here:
The world would be in an even worse state if every hare-brained and provocative comment was to be challenged. I don't see any attempt to seek support for anything in the posts you and the others concerned are steamed up about.
It's WUM, WUM, WUM all the way.
I fully accept that you and the other lads are incensed by what you have read but by responding you're giving the culprit the attention he craves.
Put it another way:
When you read through the posts here from all sides; Mayo, Galway, Rossies and others, could anyone with a smidgin of wit really expect to get support for the crap this gent has come out with?
Nah.. I don't think so either. ;D
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2011, 04:30:08 PM
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 28, 2011, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 28, 2011, 02:13:53 PM
Abbey, then you also would be walking straight into a trap....
Does the answer to that question really matter? Why try to prolong the "discussion?"
I'm a wee bit surprised that a number of experienced and normally sensible posters felt the need to ask the question at all.
What kind of world would we live in if hair-brain and stupid ideas were left unchecked Lar?
I see you point about everyone falling for the Wind Up Merchant, but it wasnt a once off. The kid seems to have a serious bee in his bonnet to come out with such statements and I suppose everyone is waiting for him to back them up, if he can.
I'm being totally serious here:
The world would be in an even worse state if every hare-brained and provocative comment was to be challenged. I don't see any attempt to seek support for anything in the posts you and the others concerned are steamed up about.
It's WUM, WUM, WUM all the way.
I fully accept that you and the other lads are incensed by what you have read but by responding you're giving the culprit the attention he craves.
Put it another way:
When you read through the posts here from all sides; Mayo, Galway, Rossies and others, could anyone with a smidgin of wit really expect to get support for the crap this gent has come out with?
Nah.. I don't think so either. ;D
Infinite wisdom Lar!b :-[
I will know better next time ;)
Also re ye're long range free taking I remember seeing highlights of the Mayo v Offaly minor AI quarter final last year and Cillian O'Connor kicked a few monster frees from the ground that day. Does take any frees at all for Ballintubber?
Quote from: ildanach on June 28, 2011, 02:35:43 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2011, 02:23:23 PM
Quote4 an outfield player must take the 45's or else just play them short if no one has the legs for it.
This kind of opinion baffles me - out of curiosity why do some people have the opinion that it has to be an outfield player who kicks 45s?
The reality is that there are not a huge number of footballers who have the distance to kick 45s from the ground. And anyway most free takers take kicks from the hands in modern day football. Goalkeepers on pretty much every team have the distance required to convert 45s and take more kicks from the ground than any other player.
Surely they are the most qualified then to attempt to convert 45s?
Look at Cluxtons success rate for the Dubs from long range frees for instance (and I know not many keepers have his accuracy from the placed ball by the way).
Am I imagining it or did ye're keeper not kick 2 long range points for ye on Sunday?
he did, but he had a return of 2 from 7 and fell on his arse twice hitting them. i have no problem a keeper hitting them but in our case it is not working.
While he obviously has no problem with distance it seems to me like he doesnt have a proper run up technique ( seems like just take a few steps back without too much thought) but im sure this could be worked on . Id have no issue with a goalie taking long range frees at all if he is relatively sucessful.
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2011, 04:44:03 PM
Also re ye're long range free taking I remember seeing highlights of the Mayo v Offaly minor AI quarter final last year and Cillian O'Connor kicked a few monster frees from the ground that day. Does take any frees at all for Ballintubber?
He took them v Killererin back in November & kicked alot of them into the keepers hands. I'd say that game is one of the reasons why Horan doesn't have O'Connor on frees but i have seen Cillian knock frees over in Croke park as 17 year old without minimal fuss.
Quote from: ross4life on June 28, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2011, 04:44:03 PM
Also re ye're long range free taking I remember seeing highlights of the Mayo v Offaly minor AI quarter final last year and Cillian O'Connor kicked a few monster frees from the ground that day. Does take any frees at all for Ballintubber?
He took them v Killererin back in November
Did he ??? I am not so sure. Dillon and Cillians brother Padraic O Connor were on frees if I am not mistaken.
I definitely remember Cillian taking one at the very end of the game...
Quote from: AbbeySider on June 28, 2011, 05:14:07 PM
Quote from: ross4life on June 28, 2011, 05:04:01 PM
Quote from: galwayman on June 28, 2011, 04:44:03 PM
Also re ye're long range free taking I remember seeing highlights of the Mayo v Offaly minor AI quarter final last year and Cillian O'Connor kicked a few monster frees from the ground that day. Does take any frees at all for Ballintubber?
He took them v Killererin back in November
Did he ??? I am not so sure. Dillon and Cillians brother Padraic O Connor were on frees if I am not mistaken.
I definitely remember Cillian taking one at the very end of the game...
Maybe i am mixing him up with his brother but i'm nearly sure the pressure kicks at the end were kicked by Cillian.
Wouldn't have a problem with Hennelly taking the frees but he'd need to have a better return from 2/7.
On a separate point and I'm possibly being overly critical here but the point McG scored shouldn't have even been attempted. 9 out of 10 times, that shot goes wide and is wasted ball. Players should be coached not to attempt that type of shot at all, instead they should work a better position and play the percentage shots.
If ye bred ciaran mac with cora now wouldnt ye have some throughbred of a free taker or better still imagine if ye bred ciaran with conor
Quote from: mjg on June 28, 2011, 07:49:22 PM
If ye bred ciaran mac with cora now wouldnt ye have some throughbred of a free taker or better still imagine if ye bred ciaran with conor
Ciaran McDonald was a mighty player but strangely enough he, too, had problems with 45s.
Obviously they need to train somebody that has the range.
Quote from: Turlough O Carolan on June 28, 2011, 07:54:01 PM
Quote from: mjg on June 28, 2011, 07:49:22 PM
If ye bred ciaran mac with cora now wouldnt ye have some throughbred of a free taker or better still imagine if ye bred ciaran with conor
Ciaran McDonald was a mighty player but strangely enough he, too, had problems with 45s.
He had indeed and he also had problems at times with close in frees at times.
I think it's fair to say that unpredictability was his hallmark. Maurice Sheridan is the only free taker of note I can think of unless I go back to the days of Jinking Joe and Seamus O'Dowd.
Sheridan paraphrased Arnold Palmer one time and said that the harder he practiced the luckier he got.
He spent hours on end honing his skills and I very much doubt that any of the present players follow his example. The only times you find success before work is in the dictionary as an old teacher used to say.
McStay was generally accurate but has woefully short range; I recall him landing 21 yard frees on top of the net time after time.
Right now, we could have a serious problem in the making unless some of the potential free takers follow Sheridan's example. A problem became apparent at Ruislip and was compounded at Castlebar. By the time the CF comes around, we could have lads jibbing at the thought of taking 14 yard frees!
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
Wouldn't have a problem with Hennelly taking the frees but he'd need to have a better return from 2/7.
On a separate point and I'm possibly being overly critical here but the point McG scored shouldn't have even been attempted. 9 out of 10 times, that shot goes wide and is wasted ball. Players should be coached not to attempt that type of shot at all, instead they should work a better position and play the percentage shots.
McGarrity hardly ever misses from that range. He has scored some amount of points for Mayo and Ballina from that right side pocket. When you see him lining up from there you can almost always mark it down.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 29, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
I think it's fair to say that unpredictability was his hallmark. Maurice Sheridan is the only free taker of note I can think of unless I go back to the days of Jinking Joe and Seamus O'Dowd.
Michael Fitzmaurice was a quality freetaker, could hit them from distance also.
QuoteMcGarrity hardly ever misses from that range. He has scored some amount of points for Mayo and Ballina from that right side pocket. When you see him lining up from there you can almost always mark it down.
Totally agree with that, it's the one spot on the pitch you can nearly bet your house on McGarrity will land one from,
I think lads are a little harsh on Hennellys free-taking here. He nailed two and went very close with two more, one of which was near the sideline on his wrong side.
He slipped on two of them which won't happen on a dry day - or I'd say on a wet day again as he's probably learnt his lesson.
He only missed one badly. I would imagine even the best free takers would have missed two out of the 7 he had the last day.
Quote from: spuds on June 29, 2011, 11:58:22 AM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on June 29, 2011, 11:38:25 AM
I think it's fair to say that unpredictability was his hallmark. Maurice Sheridan is the only free taker of note I can think of unless I go back to the days of Jinking Joe and Seamus O'Dowd.
Michael Fitzmaurice was a quality freetaker, could hit them from distance also.
He was a good one alright. I overlooked him when I started reminiscing; probably because he was overshadowed so much by McStay.
Quote from: westmayo on June 29, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
QuoteMcGarrity hardly ever misses from that range. He has scored some amount of points for Mayo and Ballina from that right side pocket. When you see him lining up from there you can almost always mark it down.
Totally agree with that, it's the one spot on the pitch you can nearly bet your house on McGarrity will land one from,
It's still poor shot selection IMO. Ye've probably watched him a lot more at club level than I have but I'd imagine that the ones he scores are more memorable than the ones he misses.
Regardless of who's kicking it, I think players should be coached not to take it on from an angle like that unless he has no other option - statistically you are far more likely to put the ball wide and that's a waste of possession.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 29, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: westmayo on June 29, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
QuoteMcGarrity hardly ever misses from that range. He has scored some amount of points for Mayo and Ballina from that right side pocket. When you see him lining up from there you can almost always mark it down.
Totally agree with that, it's the one spot on the pitch you can nearly bet your house on McGarrity will land one from,
It's still poor shot selection IMO. Ye've probably watched him a lot more at club level than I have but I'd imagine that the ones he scores are more memorable than the ones he misses.
Regardless of who's kicking it, I think players should be coached not to take it on from an angle like that unless he has no other option - statistically you are far more likely to put the ball wide and that's a waste of possession.
Statistically we shouldn't waste our money paying to see Mayo in an AIF, but we wouldn't miss it wold we?
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 29, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: westmayo on June 29, 2011, 12:14:49 PM
QuoteMcGarrity hardly ever misses from that range. He has scored some amount of points for Mayo and Ballina from that right side pocket. When you see him lining up from there you can almost always mark it down.
Totally agree with that, it's the one spot on the pitch you can nearly bet your house on McGarrity will land one from,
It's still poor shot selection IMO. Ye've probably watched him a lot more at club level than I have but I'd imagine that the ones he scores are more memorable than the ones he misses.
Regardless of who's kicking it, I think players should be coached not to take it on from an angle like that unless he has no other option - statistically you are far more likely to put the ball wide and that's a waste of possession.
Statistically you or me might be far more likely to put the ball wide than score but I've seen McGarrity line up so often in that pocket that when he misses it is remarkable and I only remember the once, it was an FBD game. Look at where it was from as well. The angle wasn't that unforgiving either, it probably looked like a better point than it was because of the booming air he put on it.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 28, 2011, 06:43:36 PM
Wouldn't have a problem with Hennelly taking the frees but he'd need to have a better return from 2/7.
On a separate point and I'm possibly being overly critical here but the point McG scored shouldn't have even been attempted. 9 out of 10 times, that shot goes wide and is wasted ball. Players should be coached not to attempt that type of shot at all, instead they should work a better position and play the percentage shots.
I've been wondering about this comment since yesterday. I knew you had a point about shot selection Macdanger but I remember my reaction on Sunday to McGarrity's point being totally at odds with yours.
And then today, the penny dropped: off all the bad shot selections we saw on Sunday, you chose the one that went over and broke Galway hearts doing it. You chose a shot that went over the bar and not any of the ones that were missed. That's very odd, if you don't mind me saying.
My point is that it doesn't matter whether the shot goes over or not - it's easy to see that it's poor shot selection when it goes wide but when it goes over, the general reaction is that it's a great point when in fact it was the same poor decision as the one that went wide but you got lucky.
When you have limited possession, you need to make the most of it and that means being disciplined when taking shots, not just "having a go" cos it went over last time - there are exceptions to this of course e.g. Gooch, MacDanger, Maurice Fitz etc.
If a team takes most of it's shots from relatively central positions less than 40 yards out, odds are they'll score more than a team who takes shot from all over the place.
Jesus-we get into a Connacht final beating Galway in a match that no one was sure we could win and you're giving out about someone scoring a good point.
Is your glass always half empty?
Not half empty at all, everyone of us is happy to give out about bad decision making - I'm sure you'll find it mentioned in multiple posts in the past few pages - but an instance like this is not generally considered a bad decision. IMO a shot like that is almost always a bad decision and players should be instructed to make decisions which give the team the best chance of winning. The fact that we won the last day shouldn't obscure mistakes that were made and poor decision making is right up there - the fact that this one came off is the only reason I'm highlighting it.
It's like trying the 40 yard pass to a man who's marked instead of a ten yard pass to a guy who's unmarked and has space in front of him. When it comes off it's great but most of the time it goes astray. Or say a fella who's 30 yards out in space and instead of shooting, he turns around in a circle and gives a handpass to a guy who's marked - a bad decision even if the 2nd guy scores.
I'll leave it at that.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 29, 2011, 10:24:08 PM
Not half empty at all, everyone of us is happy to give out about bad decision making - I'm sure you'll find it mentioned in multiple posts in the past few pages - but an instance like this is not generally considered a bad decision. IMO a shot like that is almost always a bad decision and players should be instructed to make decisions which give the team the best chance of winning. The fact that we won the last day shouldn't obscure mistakes that were made and poor decision making is right up there - the fact that this one came off is the only reason I'm highlighting it.
It's like trying the 40 yard pass to a man who's marked instead of a ten yard pass to a guy who's unmarked and has space in front of him. When it comes off it's great but most of the time it goes astray. Or say a fella who's 30 yards out in space and instead of shooting, he turns around in a circle and gives a handpass to a guy who's marked - a bad decision even if the 2nd guy scores.
I'll leave it at that.
Should Freeman have taken his point?
Only joking. ;)
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 29, 2011, 10:24:08 PM
Not half empty at all, everyone of us is happy to give out about bad decision making - I'm sure you'll find it mentioned in multiple posts in the past few pages - but an instance like this is not generally considered a bad decision. IMO a shot like that is almost always a bad decision and players should be instructed to make decisions which give the team the best chance of winning. The fact that we won the last day shouldn't obscure mistakes that were made and poor decision making is right up there - the fact that this one came off is the only reason I'm highlighting it.
It's like trying the 40 yard pass to a man who's marked instead of a ten yard pass to a guy who's unmarked and has space in front of him. When it comes off it's great but most of the time it goes astray. Or say a fella who's 30 yards out in space and instead of shooting, he turns around in a circle and gives a handpass to a guy who's marked - a bad decision even if the 2nd guy scores.
I'll leave it at that.
The point you are making is a good one. The example you cite isn't. A point scored from a bad position can be seen as a bad decision if there was someone unmarked in a better position. Percentages etc etc. But McGarrity regularly scores from that position and it wasn't an unforgiving angle either, for any right footed inter-county player.
I could, of course, cite your handle, as an example of someone who often picked the wrong percentage option. When it came off, it looked great. When it didn't, it looked sometimes awful. But, and I know I slightly contradict myself, I'm glad I was at matches where McDonald played some unbelievable passes and kicked a few away rather than played the percentages all the time and gave a short pass come what may.
Quote from: RedandGreenSniper on June 30, 2011, 02:25:41 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 29, 2011, 10:24:08 PM
Not half empty at all, everyone of us is happy to give out about bad decision making - I'm sure you'll find it mentioned in multiple posts in the past few pages - but an instance like this is not generally considered a bad decision. IMO a shot like that is almost always a bad decision and players should be instructed to make decisions which give the team the best chance of winning. The fact that we won the last day shouldn't obscure mistakes that were made and poor decision making is right up there - the fact that this one came off is the only reason I'm highlighting it.
It's like trying the 40 yard pass to a man who's marked instead of a ten yard pass to a guy who's unmarked and has space in front of him. When it comes off it's great but most of the time it goes astray. Or say a fella who's 30 yards out in space and instead of shooting, he turns around in a circle and gives a handpass to a guy who's marked - a bad decision even if the 2nd guy scores.
I'll leave it at that.
The point you are making is a good one. The example you cite isn't. A point scored from a bad position can be seen as a bad decision if there was someone unmarked in a better position. Percentages etc etc. But McGarrity regularly scores from that position and it wasn't an unforgiving angle either, for any right footed inter-county player.
I could, of course, cite your handle, as an example of someone who often picked the wrong percentage option. When it came off, it looked great. When it didn't, it looked sometimes awful. But, and I know I slightly contradict myself, I'm glad I was at matches where McDonald played some unbelievable passes and kicked a few away rather than played the percentages all the time and gave a short pass come what may.
Bingo.
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 29, 2011, 06:35:07 PM
My point is that it doesn't matter whether the shot goes over or not.
If it didn't matter whether shots went over the bar or not Mayo would have more than three All-Irelands old stock.
Have to agree with MacD, it's all about percentages, you need to get the ball to the area where the probability of scoring is higher.
On another note, I think McGarrity should be banned from kicking the ball at all, he's a horrible passer and not much better at shooting, IMHO
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2011, 12:26:45 AM
Have to agree with MacD, it's all about percentages, you need to get the ball to the area where the probability of scoring is high
Copper Faced Jacks?
If players always played the percentages there would be very few goals.
I agree with the general point with regards not shooting from ridiculous angles but I have to disagree with the McGarrity example.
McGarrity as a right footed midfielder finds himself coming into that position of the field regularly enough when attacking and has developed a skill to kick points from there. I've a funny feeling that he'd get more from there than if he was charging through on goal, which would be a much more unfamiliar territory for him.
I think from play our forwards generally did alright in regards taking their scores and shot selection the last day. We had about 8 or 9 wides from frees and we had difficulty getting good ball into the forwards and holding it - in the 1st half anyway - but the shooting wasn't bad when we did that.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2011, 12:26:45 AM
Have to agree with MacD, it's all about percentages, you need to get the ball to the area where the probability of scoring is higher.
On another note, I think McGarrity should be banned from kicking the ball at all, he's a horrible passer and not much better at shooting, IMHO
Do the pair of ye ever disagree? ;)
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2011, 12:26:45 AM
Have to agree with MacD, it's all about percentages, you need to get the ball to the area where the probability of scoring is higher.
On another note, I think McGarrity should be banned from kicking the ball at all, he's a horrible passer and not much better at shooting, IMHO
I'm beginning to wonder if this was ever about percentages and shot selection. Was it about McGarrity all the time?
In seven years, McGarrity is Mayo's best midfielder every year until the game Mayo lose, at which stage it's always McGarrity's fault.
I think McGarrity is a good player myself. Excuses have been made for other players in the past, that they don't look good now but wait 'til they get the hang of inter-country - boy oh boy! And they've never delivered. McGarrity has looked the part since the start. But people are still lining up to have a cut, because he likes basketball (something that's never held against Donaghy in Kerry), because he's a townie, because he ate one of somebody's chips once, I don't know. Time to cut him some slack, I think.
It's fairle simple Iorlar-McGarrity's detractors are bogymen from Knockmore who smell of slurry and drink special, they never wash etc.
I jest of course, but it's about as rational as slating a man for kicking a perfectly good point and dress it up as not playing the percentages and training robots instead of footballers. Of course it's about McGarrity, if anyone else tried you wouldn't of heard boo from the buffs :P
I'll not rise to the bait but it's not at all about McGarrity, on this occasion at least, I say it watching every match, when the corner forward cuts back and hits a shot from almost the end line, not a percentage shot, yes sometimes it goes over but it still doesn't make it the right shot.
As for McG, the best midfielder we have, no doubt, but he tends to drift out of games at times and I'd like to see him boss it more, hes a big man and fellas should be afraid to be standing under him. Maybe I was spoilt as a young fella with Kevin Stanton
Quote from: IolarCoisCuain on July 02, 2011, 09:27:50 AM
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on July 01, 2011, 12:26:45 AM
Have to agree with MacD, it's all about percentages, you need to get the ball to the area where the probability of scoring is higher.
On another note, I think McGarrity should be banned from kicking the ball at all, he's a horrible passer and not much better at shooting, IMHO
I'm beginning to wonder if this was ever about percentages and shot selection. Was it about McGarrity all the time?
In seven years, McGarrity is Mayo's best midfielder every year until the game Mayo lose, at which stage it's always McGarrity's fault.
I think McGarrity is a good player myself. Excuses have been made for other players in the past, that they don't look good now but wait 'til they get the hang of inter-country - boy oh boy! And they've never delivered. McGarrity has looked the part since the start. But people are still lining up to have a cut, because he likes basketball (something that's never held against Donaghy in Kerry), because he's a townie, because he ate one of somebody's chips once, I don't know. Time to cut him some slack, I think.
Good post Iolar.
I've yet to hear a single complaint from anybody about Ciaran Mac's winning point against the Dubs in 2006. Same goes for Maurice Fitz's effort that broke our hearts in '97.
(I won't even mention Colm bloody Coyle's shot selection techniques either. That's why I'm putting this in brackets.) ;D
Mcgar is developing into a complete all rounder—same as Liam McHale prophesied when he firstappeared on the intercounty scene. Liam took some time to bed in himself but when he did he was a match for anyone in the land. He should know what he was talking about.
When Ronan came on last day, the forwards inside him were blazing wides and dropping balls short. I thought he chose the right option. If you go by the percentages game, he had every reason to do what he did. It's not as if he had missed a few sitters already.
Don't forget that Ciaran, when he had a bad-hair day, could blaze wides from all angles and he persisted in doing so throughout the entire game.
Mcgar kicked; Mcgar scored: what's the fuss about?
For small mercies, O Lord, let us be truly grateful. Amen.
Good blog http://spailpin.blogspot.com/2011/06/mayos-dogs-of-war-first-class-display.html
Mayo's Dogs of War - First Class Display from Second Class Citizens
It's funny being a second class citizen. As Vincent Vega remarked about Europe, it's not that like it's totally alien. It's just the little differences.
If Meath, say, dog out a win on a day so miserable that it could have come right out of one of the more gloomy episodes of Peig Sayers' life, then Meath are a team with mental strength, team that are never bet, a great bunch of bucks. If Mayo do it, it's a further indication of the decline of Connacht football.
If Kildare, for instance, shoot nine first half wides then Kildare are a total football team and a credit to Kieran McGeeney and his lovely hair. If Mayo do it, it's Mayo God help us all over again.
If Tyrone hold an opponent to one point in the second half it's testimony to how organized and professional an outfit they are. If Mayo do it, it's because Galway are but a shadow of past glories and hey, Connacht football is only for gimps anyway.
Mayo people, if they are wise, will ignore all this and take a huge amount of positives from the game yesterday in Castlebar. A friend of An Spailpín likes to quote Seán Boylan's remark that football isn't won in the head or the heart but in the belly.
Mayo showed some serious fight in the second half to hammer Galway like a nail and they should draw considerable strength from that as they look ahead to the rest of the summer.
Football is in a process of evolution. The conventional midfielder doesn't exist anymore. There are goalkeepers, full backs and full forwards, and then there is the maelstrom of the middle third where only the strong survive.
In An Spailpín's ideal world Willie Joe soars for the high ball under the clear blue skies before horsing it inside for Jimmy Burke or Noel Durkin. But in the real world, where you have manky weather and big question marks hanging over you, you fight for your very life.
And that's exactly what Mayo did against Galway. They didn't play in the Mayo style. They couldn't – the TV really didn't show what it was like to be out there in the teeming rain and into the teeth of a gale. Mayo fought like savages, and they came out on top.
Mayo were Kings of the Dirty Ball yesterday. Inspired by the O'Shea brothers, Mayo fought like junkyard dogs for every ball between the 45 metre lines and that's why they won.
This is tremendous and heartening news for Mayo. John O'Mahony talked a lot about rebuilding, when he was actually destroying a team that got to two All-Ireland finals in three years, an achievement was never recognized, celebrated or built on for what it was.
The rebuilding has only started under Horan, and it's on these young men that Horan has brought in that the future of Mayo will be built.
Mayo are a flawed team. I personally can live with that. I've seen lots of Mayo teams that were the best team in Ireland in June and long forgotten in September. I prefer this way. There's plenty for James Horan to work on – he may need to consider buying a bicycle for Robert Hennelly to get up and down the pitch if Hennelly's going to be taking many more frees, for instance – but yesterday was a heartening win for Mayo.
The country outside Connacht will hold its nose at the prospect of the Connacht Final, and that's fine. Maybe the media will insist that all Connacht players be belled for the rest of the Championship, and have continuity announcers warn innocents that a particular afternoon's football may contain scenes of a Connacht nature. And that's fine too. We all have to live our lives according to our different lights.
Right now, in a lonesome Dublin exile, there is one happy Mayoman after seeing his team show a little bit of bite. It'll be fun to see if anybody needs a rabies shot this summer after seventy minutes muzzle to muzzle Mayo's Dogs of War.
Playing the % game is a great idea - except for one small problem - the fecking backs! They seem to know somehow or other that if forwards get the ball 25 yds out in front of goals most of them are likely to score. And guess what they do (the feckers) they fill that space and knock 40 shades of the brown stuff out of any unfortunate forward who finds himself there expecting to get a soft shot at goals. So much for shot selection!