Any early news for this one?
See Clare have already held their press night, very early. Davy must be trying to keep the hype to a minimum.
Any chance of Paudie O'Sullivan or Brian Murphy being back? One or both of them would be a great boost to the Cork bench.
Clare and Cork animals.
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Quote from: CitySlicker11 on August 22, 2013, 06:00:35 PM
Any early news for this one?
See Clare have already held their press night, very early. Davy must be trying to keep the hype to a minimum.
Any chance of Paudie O'Sullivan or Brian Murphy being back? One or both of them would be a great boost to the Cork bench.
Dont agree with this at all, we are all trying to promote the game and we have more responsibility to the game than just our own little corner. Hopefully sense will prevail and they will get a proper night sorted.
Most of the journo's missed it altogether.
I heard that Davy Fitz didn't even bother showing up for the press night!
That's true. Madness IMO and I can't see what's to be gained by it.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 23, 2013, 12:59:08 PM
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on August 22, 2013, 06:00:35 PM
Any early news for this one?
See Clare have already held their press night, very early. Davy must be trying to keep the hype to a minimum.
Any chance of Paudie O'Sullivan or Brian Murphy being back? One or both of them would be a great boost to the Cork bench.
Dont agree with this at all, we are all trying to promote the game and we have more responsibility to the game than just our own little corner. Hopefully sense will prevail and they will get a proper night sorted.
Most of the journo's missed it altogether.
Any information or interviews gleaned by the journalists who were fortunate to be there will be held off and printed the days leading up the the game anyway, the sports pages will be filled with the football semi-finals for the next few weeks.
It's only after that the hurling will get air time.
TBH, its sometimes good to get a different players perspective on a game, but that's all too rare now, respect for our opponent, need to up our game, play well etc is all they're told to say now.
It'll be interesting to see how the U-21 game goes today. Clare have four probable all-stars in their team McInerny, Galvin, Kelly and Collins. Galway have a decent side too with Glynn, Cooney, Darragh Burke, Brehony and Thomas Flynn who opted just to play football at senior level this year. It would be a great boost for 2014 to see big performances from Hanbury at full-back and Burke at centre-back especially.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 24, 2013, 12:54:09 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the U-21 game goes today. Clare have four probable all-stars in their team McInerny, Galvin, Kelly and Collins. Galway have a decent side too with Glynn, Cooney, Darragh Burke, Brehony and Thomas Flynn who opted just to play football at senior level this year. It would be a great boost for 2014 to see big performances from Hanbury at full-back and Burke at centre-back especially.
Big win for Clare . Get the u21s into leinster .
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on August 22, 2013, 06:00:35 PM
Any early news for this one?
See Clare have already held their press night, very early. Davy must be trying to keep the hype to a minimum.
Any chance of Paudie O'Sullivan or Brian Murphy being back? One or both of them would be a great boost to the Cork bench.
Little or no chance of Paudie as far as I know. Brian Murphy played 60 minutes at centre back for Bide Rovers last weekend so he's in with a good chance of making the final.
Interesting battles all over the pitch in this one. One that could have a big bearing on the outcome is Pa Horgan on David McInerney, both lads in great form, another great performance by McInerney in the u-21 match earlier. If he keeps Horgan quite, he's giving Clare a great chance of winning, likewise if Horgan gets the better of him and hits 10+ points, Cork would be in a good position.
Paudie Sullivan trained, as in jogging this week but the most that could be expected would be 10 or 15 mins and I suppose that would only happen if cork were coasting it! Jbm is hardly likely to do that ! Clare are in a good position but the hype in that county will naturally be savage now . Will fitz have them too wound up I wonder ? Cork will have a phantom for them rest assured ! As for the press night , does it really matter who turned up? Pity about the journalists, joe cannings comments were blown out of all proportion last year before the replay so they're quite happy to stitch players up when they want. I know that was 1 journo but still he won't be the last player stitched up. Back to the match , I believe cork will win but it will be tight ! Nice to see two "new " counties in the final !
Quote from: seafoid on August 24, 2013, 08:13:10 PM
Big win for Clare . Get the u21s into leinster .
Buckin hell, another hiding. The underage teams would want to go into Leinster alright. Think it's becoming clear that we're just not good enough and a lot of the excuses/rumours that were floating around after the senior team's demise about in-fighting, players not talking and wrong team selection and tactics were just red herrings really. Cork, Clare and Dublin have all made a serious improvement and left us behind with the Offalys and the Wexfords. Our seniors missed out on a handyish All-Ireland alright but it was in 2012, not 2013. 2014 is looking fairly grim right now too.
Well done to the Antrim u-21s on getting to the final. I was thinking about backing them with the handicap (+17!!!!!) but I didn't as I knew very little about either team. I can't remember a team with that kind of handicap in the betting, actually winning the match outright. Must be the biggest shock for a few years at inter-county level.
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 25, 2013, 01:37:34 AM
Well done to the Antrim u-21s on getting to the final. I was thinking about backing them with the handicap (+17!!!!!) but I didn't as I knew very little about either team. I can't remember a team with that kind of handicap in the betting, actually winning the match outright. Must be the biggest shock for a few years at inter-county level.
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ok, in fairness Antrim hammered Derry in the ulster final, but they only beat Down by 3 points in the semi final
Wexford must have seen this as an easily winnable game and set up their training for the final.
How much are the tickets this year?
Quote from: neilthemac on August 25, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
ok, in fairness Antrim hammered Derry in the ulster final, but they only beat Down by 3 points in the semi final
Wexford must have seen this as an easily winnable game and set up their training for the final.
Wexford scraped past Westmeath in Leinster. Fact is, Leinster wasn't all that strong this year.
Quote from: shark on August 26, 2013, 10:18:34 PM
Quote from: neilthemac on August 25, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
ok, in fairness Antrim hammered Derry in the ulster final, but they only beat Down by 3 points in the semi final
Wexford must have seen this as an easily winnable game and set up their training for the final.
Wexford scraped past Westmeath in Leinster. Fact is, Leinster wasn't all that strong this year.
They also beat Kilkenny with a fortuitous goal right at the death, but its hard to see a bad team win in Leinster, so not taking away from Antrims win.
For some unknown reason the Wexfords, Dublin, Offalys etc hold less fear for northern counties than the likes of a Cork, Kilkenny or even Tipp.
I'm really starting to like this Kevin Ryan fella that's in charge of Antrim. It was good to hear his honesty about their half-a$sed preparations before the semi-final win. And now he's saying they should boycott the final after the GAA set it for Thurles, "we had a 1 in 50 chance of winning, but that's gone now".
Quote from: Asal Mor on August 28, 2013, 01:08:59 PM
I'm really starting to like this Kevin Ryan fella that's in charge of Antrim. It was good to hear his honesty about their half-a$sed preparations before the semi-final win. And now he's saying they should boycott the final after the GAA set it for Thurles, "we had a 1 in 50 chance of winning, but that's gone now".
Afaik the final was always going to be played in Thurles (except if Tipp got to final). What is his problem with this?
Regardless of where it is played Clare will win imo in a canter ( as they would have v Wexford )
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
Afaik the final was always going to be played in Thurles (except if Tipp got to final). What is his problem with this?
Regardless of where it is played Clare will win imo in a canter ( as they would have v Wexford )
They played the Under-21 final in Thurles in 2010 even though Tipperary were involved (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THURLES+TO+HOST+DECIDER.-a0236505934). The irony is that they wouldn't play a Munster final between Waterford and Tipperary in Thurles even though we would probably be agreeable to it in order to avoid travelling to Cork. Funny how Thurles is not "recognised as our second stadium and as a hurling stadium" when it comes to Frank Murphy filling his boots.
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
Afaik the final was always going to be played in Thurles (except if Tipp got to final). What is his problem with this?
Regardless of where it is played Clare will win imo in a canter ( as they would have v Wexford )
Ah it's probably fair enough to play it in Thurles if that was the plan all along, but it's a very rare thing for Antrim to get to a final and they are such long shots, it just seems a bit cruel to give Clare what is effectively, a home game. Antrim's chances of avoiding annihilation would be better at an Ulster venue.
This logic of 'it's always going to be played in Thurles' clearly assumes Antrim are not going to be in it. Is it so unreasonable to ask for a bit of flexibility now that they are?
Quote from: deiseach on August 28, 2013, 03:06:34 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 01:46:07 PM
Afaik the final was always going to be played in Thurles (except if Tipp got to final). What is his problem with this?
Regardless of where it is played Clare will win imo in a canter ( as they would have v Wexford )
They played the Under-21 final in Thurles in 2010 even though Tipperary were involved (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THURLES+TO+HOST+DECIDER.-a0236505934). The irony is that they wouldn't play a Munster final between Waterford and Tipperary in Thurles even though we would probably be agreeable to it in order to avoid travelling to Cork. Funny how Thurles is not "recognised as our second stadium and as a hurling stadium" when it comes to Frank Murphy filling his boots.
Once again afaik know Thurles was fixed for all finals but the 1st year of the arrangement Tipp got to the final. Griping ensued (obviously) and rule then tweaked to allow for change of venue ONLY if Tipperary were in final.
Antrim have plenty of valid reasons to gripe but I don't think this is one of them. They knew the venue at the beginning of their campaign. Didn't bother them when winning the AISF.
Quote from: deiseach on August 28, 2013, 03:59:03 PM
This logic of 'it's always going to be played in Thurles' clearly assumes Antrim are not going to be in it. Is it so unreasonable to ask for a bit of flexibility now that they are?
Barring Dublin and now Antrim the majority of finals in the U-21's have been between counties bordering Tipp or near as damn it, so I suppose it was a reasonably logical decision.
Damn those pesky U-21 hurlers from Antrim surprising their very own county board and Croke Park.
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
Once again afaik know Thurles was fixed for all finals but the 1st year of the arrangement Tipp got to the final. Griping ensued (obviously) and rule then tweaked to allow for change of venue ONLY if Tipperary were in final.
Antrim have plenty of valid reasons to gripe but I don't think this is one of them. They knew the venue at the beginning of their campaign. Didn't bother them when winning the AISF.
So if Antrim had complained beforehand, they'd have been listened to?
Quote from: deiseach on August 28, 2013, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
Once again afaik know Thurles was fixed for all finals but the 1st year of the arrangement Tipp got to the final. Griping ensued (obviously) and rule then tweaked to allow for change of venue ONLY if Tipperary were in final.
Antrim have plenty of valid reasons to gripe but I don't think this is one of them. They knew the venue at the beginning of their campaign. Didn't bother them when winning the AISF.
So if Antrim had complained beforehand, they'd have been listened to?
Nope.
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 04:39:31 PM
Quote from: deiseach on August 28, 2013, 04:27:49 PM
Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 04:14:18 PM
Once again afaik know Thurles was fixed for all finals but the 1st year of the arrangement Tipp got to the final. Griping ensued (obviously) and rule then tweaked to allow for change of venue ONLY if Tipperary were in final.
Antrim have plenty of valid reasons to gripe but I don't think this is one of them. They knew the venue at the beginning of their campaign. Didn't bother them when winning the AISF.
So if Antrim had complained beforehand, they'd have been listened to?
Nope.
So the match would have been staged in Thurles whether they had objected beforehand or not, yet you have no sympathy for them because they didn't object beforehand. How very Kafkaesque! ;)
Point I'm trying to make is the final was fixed for Thurles (except if Tipp were in it) before competition was started and every team entering it knew that. I have no sympathy specifically for the gripe that the final is being played in Thurles as everyone knew it would be.
Antrim knew the final would be in Thurles before they played the semi final.
Antrim have beaten the Leinster champions and are in the final on merit. There are plenty of other counties that would love to be in the final.
Won't be saying any more as I don't want to derail the thread any further.
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Quote from: Canalman on August 28, 2013, 05:11:52 PM
Point I'm trying to make is the final was fixed for Thurles (except if Tipp were in it) before competition was started and every team entering it knew that. I have no sympathy specifically for the gripe that the final is being played in Thurles as everyone knew it would be.
Antrim knew the final would be in Thurles before they played the semi final.
Antrim have beaten the Leinster champions and are in the final on merit. There are plenty of other counties that would love to be in the final.
Agreed. It was fixed for Thurles this year, last year & next year. End of story.
I spotetd this tweet on the Antrim website
Nuacht is déanaí - Antrim appeal to O'Neill as Saffron anger over U-21 final venue grows
... the hurling population of Antrim is not jumping up and down about this. I'm assuming there's noise being made as extra monies are being sought to cover accommodation and traveling..its the only thing I can think of
Quote from: theskull1 on August 29, 2013, 11:08:39 AM
I spotetd this tweet on the Antrim website
Nuacht is déanaí - Antrim appeal to O'Neill as Saffron anger over U-21 final venue grows
... the hurling population of Antrim is not jumping up and down about this. I'm assuming there's noise being made as extra monies are being sought to cover accommodation and traveling..its the only thing I can think of
Might need to get another set of white jerseys as well while they're at it...
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Lets get back to discussing this threads correct title.
What are the views with 7 days to go?
Cork by 2.
Clare looked the most impressive of the two in the semi-finals, but its hard to compare teams in two separate games. McInerny in the fullback line looks to have come of age in there and grown as the year continues, he is sheltered a bit with the deep cover in front of him though, Horgan will have his work cut out to get on enough ball to do damage. I think Cork will need to pick off plenty of long range points in a hope to draw out the Clare team who if behind, may need to go chasing the game which they haven't needed to do since their first encounter with Cork.
Davy's team are set up to get a lead and hold it, I think he'll need plan B on Sunday as I think Cork will get scores, maybe not goals as Cork didn't create too many goal chances vrs the Dubs, Clare don't create many either so it'll be points most of the way. I wonder if Davy will put Conlon in on Ciaran Joyce who struggled badly in the semi-final on big men strong in the air in both O'Dwyer before he got the line and then Keaney after that. Cork and Joyce got away with it to live another day, Davy mightn't be so generous.
It's a tough one to call, both young, inexperienced teams and whoever settles best could prevail, Davy got it right for the semi-final whereas the Limerick lads just didn't get to the game at all. I'd expect Cork to not make Limericks mistakes and be sharp from the start as well.
TBH, I don't expect it to be a classic encounter, maybe a nervy affair with point taking the order of the day.
I'm going for Cork by 2 but would love Clare to do it.
I think you may be right in that it will be a battle of the points, with not many goal scoring chances.
Both teams have been putting up huge scores.
Cork have always down through the years even when they weren't going so well during the last few, put up big scores in terms of points.
Christopher Joyce has been fine this year, JBM moves him in to midfield a lot, he played there against Limerick in the Munster final with Lorcan McLoughlin moving to centre half back. However with McLoughlin doing so well in the semi final at midfield I can't see this move being replicated.
Tom Kenny will need to get back to the performances he gave up until the semi final where he struggled against Danny Sutcliffe.
Cork will need to keep an eye on Tony Kelly, although Paudge Collins has had a great year, if he plays in the corner, O'Sullivan or O'Neill who are both having great seasons should get the better of him.
Why can Gardiner and Sean Og not just let it go, especially in the week leading up to the All Ireland, when all eyes should be on the players competing?
Gardiner feels harshly treated
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/hurling/gardiner-feels-harshly-treated-241804.html
Tuesday, September 03, 2013
John Gardiner believes he was harshly treated by All-Ireland final Cork boss Jimmy Barry-Murphy, suggesting his axing was linked to his reputation as a central figure in the last strike crisis.
By Niall Feerick
The two-time All-Ireland medallist has been a regular at Cork games all year and will attend Sunday's final at Croke Park. But he believes he could still be playing a significant role and that Barry-Murphy's decision last winter to drop him was premature.
Gardiner, 30, said that after the decision was explained to him, he ''came away as wise from the conversation'' and was frustrated to be pushed out instead of afforded the opportunity to quit himself after 11 seasons.
Asked if he privately believed his key role in the winter strike of 2008/2009, which eventually forced the removal of Gerald McCarthy as manager, was behind Barry-Murphy's decision, he agreed.
"Probably, I'd say so," said Gardiner. "We were the front runners in the whole thing even though the panel was unanimous and agreed all the time. We were seen as the front runners. I happened to be captain of the team when all that stuff was going on so my name is probably out there a lot more than other guys because of that.
"Look, I asked him the question, straight up, 'Was there anything in it?' and he said there wasn't. He said it wasn't anything like that and that's the way it was."
Gardiner's suspicion doesn't tally with the fact that Barry-Murphy made Donal Óg Cusack his team captain in 2012 — though he later axed him too — and brought Sean Óg Ó hAilpín out of retirement. Both of those players were also central to the strike of four years ago.
What Gardiner believes to be certain is that Barry-Murphy is a ruthless figure despite his mild-mannered public persona.
"Yeah, I'd say so, the way he operates like," continued Gardiner. "He's a nice guy, comes across as a nice guy but when he wants to make a decision, he just makes the decision."
Gardiner was a key part of a Cork half-back line rated as one of the greatest they have ever produced when they won All-Ireland titles in 2004 and 2005. But, inevitably, supporters will come down on Barry-Murphy's side on the issue of team personnel after defying the odds to lead the Rebels to Sunday's final.
"Exactly, they're in the final, there's nobody in Cork complaining," said Gardiner. "You get people coming up to you every single day saying, 'You should still be involved'. But look, they're the guys that are in the All-Ireland final, they've done a great job."
As for himself, he said he felt hard done by.
"Maybe a little bit hard done by," he continued. "We have given our life to the thing really since I broke onto the panel at 19, given our life to the thing for 10 years or 11 seasons. I would have liked if it was my own decision. It just didn't work out that way.
Like it was during some of the strikes, the REAL Cork team of Gardiner and the Ogs should have been training away amongst themselves.
So when the current bunch, from mickey mouse clubs, were discovered to be imposters, it would be a seamless switch back to the real team.
Maybe its easy to say it after the events has transpired, but I'd say that JBM has taken the long view and played a blinder in reasserting the authority of the manager in Cork. Who knows if revenge was on his mind after the way Ger McCarthy was treated. He couldn't have diminished their power in a better way.
Quote from: theskull1 on September 03, 2013, 10:23:04 PM
Maybe its easy to say it after the events has transpired, but I'd say that JBM has taken the long view and played a blinder in reasserting the authority of the manager in Cork. Who knows if revenge was on his mind after the way Ger McCarthy was treated. He couldn't have diminished their power in a better way.
Though JBM comes across as a nice fella, and I am sure he is, I would say the softest thing about him is his teeth.
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I spent 45 mins yday talking about how well cork have done this year. To wake and read some of that stuff today was #disappointing#AIfinal
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on September 04, 2013, 12:19:16 AM
John Gardiner @JohnGaa5 6h
I spent 45 mins yday talking about how well cork have done this year. To wake and read some of that stuff today was #disappointing#AIfinal
I think that the three lads in Donal O'g, O'Hailpin and now Gardiner have been asked umpteen times by journalists about the current Cork team, their disappointment in not being part of it and the journalists involved have all led with the old shite rather than anything positive about the new team.
O'Hailpin gave them a bit of controversial column inches at the start of the summer when he made comments disparaging to some of the current team and not even knowing where they were from, he's been made to look a fool out of it, Donal O'g has handled it well and deflected any blame from the current management, but Gardiner has been suckered in a bit, he should have known better in all fairness.
Quote from: theskull1 on September 03, 2013, 10:23:04 PM
Maybe its easy to say it after the events has transpired, but I'd say that JBM has taken the long view and played a blinder in reasserting the authority of the manager in Cork. Who knows if revenge was on his mind after the way Ger McCarthy was treated. He couldn't have diminished their power in a better way.
Father time and the way the game has went this summer has diminished their powers as much as any great grand scheme from JBM.
Gardiners lack of pace would have found him out as Ronan Curran alluded to in an earlier article this summer when asked why he stepped down when he did. Only the likes of Tom Kenny, Shane O'Neill and Brian Murphy who are blessed with pace are still in the frame and even then Kenny is looking a bit out of sorts once in a while.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 04, 2013, 09:23:05 AM
Father time and the way the game has went this summer has diminished their powers as much as any great grand scheme from JBM.
Gardiners lack of pace would have found him out as Ronan Curran alluded to in an earlier article this summer when asked why he stepped down when he did. Only the likes of Tom Kenny, Shane O'Neill and Brian Murphy who are blessed with pace are still in the frame and even then Kenny is looking a bit out of sorts once in a while.
Agree 100%. Gardiner would have been a liability with his lack of pace. More sensationalist, sneaky journalism though and the kind of writing that will send teams further into their shells. You can't blame Davy for sidestepping the press night when you read sleazy stitch-ups like this.
Cork's new style is all about running and speed.
Gardiner and Sean Og have no place anywhere near the squad.
It's the same caper Des Cahill was at on the sunday game one night quizzing donal og cusack who side stepped the questions very well.
It's a new manager and a new team. I doubt there's much in it. Last year JBM needed some experienced heads to blood in younger players and this year he doesn't. As people say them two boys haven't the pace any more.
I doubt there's any more to it than that. Just the usual journalist BS.
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
It's the same caper Des Cahill was at on the sunday game one night quizzing donal og cusack who side stepped the questions very well.
It's a new manager and a new team. I doubt there's much in it. Last year JBM needed some experienced heads to blood in younger players and this year he doesn't. As people say them two boys haven't the pace any more.
I doubt there's any more to it than that. Just the usual journalist BS.
No doubt, but the same journalists were handy to have on your side back in the day, only Donal O'g looks sharp enough to realise this in his new position.
He'll not offend the Cork establishment now if he's any aspirations of managing them one day. He's a few bridges to build in Cork after the way McCarthy was treated, having digs at JBM as well would make the road to managing Cork impossible, he's not stupid, the jury is out on the other two though.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 04, 2013, 12:33:57 PM
Agree 100%. Gardiner would have been a liability with his lack of pace. More sensationalist, sneaky journalism though and the kind of writing that will send teams further into their shells. You can't blame Davy for sidestepping the press night when you read sleazy stitch-ups like this.
It's a good point. I read an article in (I think) the Guardian recently about how the Australian radio station that gave Darren Lehmann a platform to call Stuart Broad a cheat specialises in making the interviewee feel like they're down the pub having a chat with their mates. I don't feel sorry for either John Gardiner or Darren Lehmann. Presumably this is how they feel about the subject in hand. But I can see other players looking at it and wondering whether a policy of safety first is not advisable.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 04, 2013, 03:11:16 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on September 04, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
It's the same caper Des Cahill was at on the sunday game one night quizzing donal og cusack who side stepped the questions very well.
It's a new manager and a new team. I doubt there's much in it. Last year JBM needed some experienced heads to blood in younger players and this year he doesn't. As people say them two boys haven't the pace any more.
I doubt there's any more to it than that. Just the usual journalist BS.
No doubt, but the same journalists were handy to have on your side back in the day, only Donal O'g looks sharp enough to realise this in his new position.
He'll not offend the Cork establishment now if he's any aspirations of managing them one day. He's a few bridges to build in Cork after the way McCarthy was treated, having digs at JBM as well would make the road to managing Cork impossible, he's not stupid, the jury is out on the other two though.
Des Cahill was at his work with him though - trying to get the same headlines as O'Hara got him - and Cusack handled it well.
These boys are old news. Sean Og's article was embarassing. He doesn't even know the clubs in his own county . This seems a bit loaded.
Anyway these guys are old news. I hope Clare win but I think Cork will be a bit much. Since Horgan's bad luck with sending off they've maybe had the rub of the green but beating KK and that Dublin side no mean feat and I think it will stand to them.
These new cork players seem to be carrying a lot of baggage with neutrals due to the men who went before them.
It is a new team and they deserve respect, as do Clare.
What a year it has been, just hope it continues on Sunday, for the last game of the year.
Oh wait the Ulster final is in November...
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on September 04, 2013, 07:58:07 PM
These new cork players seem to be carrying a lot of baggage with neutrals due to the men who went before them.
It is a new team and they deserve respect, as do Clare.
What a year it has been, just hope it continues on Sunday, for the last game of the year.
Oh wait the Ulster final is in November...
It's just a media creation really, enabled by the odd juicy quote from Gardiner and Sean Og. I don't think anyone is questioning Jimmy Barry or the new players at this point. The old guard had been getting whupped for years. Not many expected the replacements to be so good though.
Quote from: deiseach on September 04, 2013, 04:23:36 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 04, 2013, 12:33:57 PM
Agree 100%. Gardiner would have been a liability with his lack of pace. More sensationalist, sneaky journalism though and the kind of writing that will send teams further into their shells. You can't blame Davy for sidestepping the press night when you read sleazy stitch-ups like this.
It's a good point. I read an article in (I think) the Guardian recently about how the Australian radio station that gave Darren Lehmann a platform to call Stuart Broad a cheat specialises in making the interviewee feel like they're down the pub having a chat with their mates. I don't feel sorry for either John Gardiner or Darren Lehmann. Presumably this is how they feel about the subject in hand. But I can see other players looking at it and wondering whether a policy of safety first is not advisable.
Yeah it's pretty surprising that Gardiner would get caught out at this stage of his life. He's been around enough controversy to be a bit more media savvy than that.. It must be frustrating for the honest GAA journalists too. They won't be getting any pre-match interviews.
Quote from: CitySlicker11 on September 04, 2013, 07:58:07 PM
These new cork players seem to be carrying a lot of baggage with neutrals due to the men who went before them.
It is a new team and they deserve respect, as do Clare.
What a year it has been, just hope it continues on Sunday, for the last game of the year.
Oh wait the Ulster final is in November...
I don't think they do in all fairness as it was always perceived that the ring leaders were Donal O'g, Gardiner and big Sean. There's possibly half the panel now who were not involved back then and those who were barring Tom Kenny were probably seen as peripheral panel members.
As a matter of interest what become of the hurlers who took up the mantel after the strikers refused to play for McCarthy? Are there any on the current team or panel?
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2013, 08:40:10 AM
As a matter of interest what become of the hurlers who took up the mantel after the strikers refused to play for McCarthy? Are there any on the current team or panel?
I don't believe there's a single one from that panel involved on Sunday ...stand to be corrected
Quote from: theskull1 on September 05, 2013, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2013, 08:40:10 AM
As a matter of interest what become of the hurlers who took up the mantel after the strikers refused to play for McCarthy? Are there any on the current team or panel?
I don't believe there's a single one from that panel involved on Sunday ...stand to be corrected
I think there's two, Conor O'Sullivan and Stephen White according to a bit of delving I did from team selections in early 2009.
Christy is very statty in his analysis, but good nonetheless.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/final-plans-of-attack-for-allireland-hurling-final-29554302.html (http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/final-plans-of-attack-for-allireland-hurling-final-29554302.html)
Christy O'Connor – 05 September 2013
About 25 minutes into their Munster semi-final against Clare in June, Jimmy Barry-Murphy turned around to the Mackey stand in Limerick, sought eye contact with his selectors, threw his hands up in the air and roared out one word – 'Honan'.
By that stage, Darach Honan was threatening to mow Cork down like roadkill. From just seven first-half plays, he was involved in four goalscoring chances. Honan always looked lethal in possession. Steven McDonnell couldn't handle him but Cork hadn't the luxury of switching Shane O'Neill over on to Honan because he was being roasted by Podge Collins.
In the end, Cork just toughed it out and survived. With Brian Murphy tagging himself to the roaming Tony Kelly, with Kelly coming deep to midfield before running a loop, the centre of the Cork defence was often wide open in the first half. Clare never exploited it.
The Clare management could argue that those goal chances franked their approach but when they were struggling in the middle third, and their long-range shooting was affected by the strong breeze, their game broke down in the second half. Honan was redundant, making just four plays. Cork sat Conor O'Sullivan back as a sweeper and Clare kept running into a wall of bodies.
Cork, on the other hand, were really efficient with how they used their possession. They won 11 of the 22 balls hit in to their full-forward line. They won 62pc of their 84 stick-passes.
The aggregate number of plays made by Cork's forwards – 63 – was low but their economy heavily compensated. From a combined total of 37 plays, Patrick Horgan, Luke O'Farrell, Seamus Harnedy and Jamie Coughlan scored, or were directly involved in, 17 points.
Cork clearly addressed the issues which had murdered them in the relegation final in April and Clare can do the same now. The Banner felt they underperformed in June. They were flat. They were turned over in possession in their defence late on but that was more through mental fatigue than any real system breakdown.
Davy Fitzgerald has still stayed true to his beliefs but as Clare advanced through the championship, their playing system has evolved in tandem with their development as a team.
They have become slightly more direct. They have become more confident and sure of themselves as the summer has progressed. Their accuracy from distance has dramatically improved. The sweeper role has now become a stable and more defined part of their system.
Given that both teams have developed and improved since June, how they adapt now to the massive tactical battle set to ensue will decide the outcome.
HOW THEY TACTICALLY SET UP
When the sides met in June, Cork's policy was to man mark all over the field. Nobody highlighted the success of that tactic more than Brian Murphy. Over the 70 minutes, Murphy made just one play. Yet his direct opponent, Tony Kelly, only made seven plays. Kelly did engineer one point for Podge Collins but he only had one shot at the target.
Cork may go man-for-man again but the ground has shifted in the meantime. For a start, if Murphy is picked in the same role, how fit can he be after almost two months out with injury?
Secondly, Kelly will play deeper along with Collins. They both got seven points from play against Limerick and are two of Clare's most accurate shooters.
Cork will feel that Collins has to be man-marked because of his immense foraging and playmaking qualities but if the Rebels man-mark that high up the pitch, will that not leave massive space in the defence? Similarly, if they decide to mark Clare's sweeper Pat Donnellan, will that create even more space in the Banner attack? Is that not what Clare want, especially when Honan almost went to town in that space in the Munster semi-final?
If Cork decide to operate a sweeper, Conor O'Sullivan is very effective in that role. Yet he has mostly operated when Cork have had an extra man and Clare's build-up play – in theory – seeks to remove the influence of extra defensive cover by playing the ball short through the lines or support play off the shoulder. Given that shooting from distance is how Clare seek to mine most of their scores, Cork may be better off deploying a sweeper higher up in that middle third. If they don't decide to go with a sweeper, they may just decide to play a covering centre-back, about 40 metres from goal, which would allow Cork to at least hold their defensive shape.
Clare will definitely set up again with Donnellan as a sweeper. However, Clare see him more as a fourth half-back, which allows their half-back line to push higher up the field to win breaks and create turnovers. It also allows Donnellan to push up the field when he sees fit.
Either way, Clare will want to make that middle third a total battleground because they won't see themselves losing a dogfight.
The key for Cork is how they go about creating space. When the first half was so open against Dublin, the performance of Cork's front eight was their best under Barry-Murphy over the last two seasons.
The front eight made a total of 54 plays in that opening 35 minutes but some of those individual contributions were career-bests under Barry-Murphy: Conor Lehane's three points and setting up two more from seven plays; Lorcan McLoughlin's 0-3 from nine plays.
When Dublin operated with a sweeper in the second half, it definitely impacted on the performance of some of Cork's forwards who had gone to town in the open spaces in the first half. Prior to Horgan's goal, Horgan, O'Farrell and Lehane had made a combined total of just six second-half plays.
Similar to Dublin in the second half, Clare will want to deny Cork that space for the 70 minutes.
THE IMPORTANCE OF GOALS
Much of Clare's game is based on getting ahead early to allow them to dictate the terms of engagement. With their fitness levels and how they defensively set up, they are very hard to break down if they get out in front from the off.
Cork will also want to get ahead early and force Clare to chase the game. In that context, and given that neither team is considered a goalscoring outfit, goals – especially early goals – may never be as important on Sunday.
Clare have averaged 1-23 in their last two games. The 1-24 Cork hit against Dublin was the highest score recorded against a top-eight team under Barry-Murphy in the last two seasons.
Hitting long, high and direct ball in to the full-forward line goes against Clare's principles but gambling with that tactic early on is worth a shot for both teams. That was also how both Clare and Cork scored crucial goals in their semi-finals.
At half-time in their All-Ireland semi-final, the Limerick full-forward line's instructions to their team-mates was to get the ball in high and direct over the sweeper. It may not be ideal for Cork's attack but going down the channels won't be any easier with a sweeper like Donnellan. Being ultra-precise is the ideal way to bypass the sweeper but that won't be easy with the suffocating heat Clare will bring to the middle.
Given that Clare will want as many bodies as possible in that sector, it's likely they will look to isolate Honan up top again. This time, they will need to get the ball in to him closer to goal. And with more support runners coming at him at pace than they managed in June.
PUCK-OUTS
When the sides met in Munster, the puck-out trends were a complete reversal from the relegation final in April, when Clare obliterated Cork in that category, winning 35 Rebel puck-outs. In June though, Clare won just nine Cork puck-outs, with the Rebels winning the overall puck-out stat 29-24.
Throughout the year, Cork have worked extremely hard in training on winning breaking ball, especially around puck-outs. In the Munster final, Cork won the overall puckout stat 29-27 – albeit 12 of those were short puckouts hit by Anthony Nash and the Rebels couldn't win enough possession in the scoring zone.
One of the most obvious positives against Kilkenny was the number of tackles, ruck-ball and second-phase possession that Cork won.
In the first half against Dublin, Cork showed again how they had addressed all the concerns about being able to secure enough possession and dirty ball in the face of Dublin's perceived greater physicality and power. Cork lost the puckout stat 19-17 but eight of Nash's first-half restarts led to Cork scoring within 15 seconds. A ninth led to a free that Horgan converted.
On the other hand, Clare's puckouts stats were a concern against Limerick, especially their own. Clare won just eight out of their 29 puckouts.
It is a risky game but Pa Kelly will surely be looking to go shorter to his outlet receivers in the middle third. Clare will also be looking to get more bodies in around the breaking ball, while shutting down McLoughlin's runs going forward.
Equally, Clare will have to deal with Pa Cronin's aerial authority, something they didn't have to face in the Munster semi-final because of Cronin's absence through illness. When the sides met in April, Cronin won five puck-outs at centre-forward in the first half. Yet when Cronin played wing-forward after the break, he had less space.
That is something that Cork will have absorbed in the meantime. Yet so will Clare. With Conor Ryan taking up station at centre-back in front of Donnellan, Ryan will be looking to come around Cronin on his right shoulder and tap the ball down, or spoil it, before his team-mates try to win it on the deck.
Either way, Clare will have a plan. And so will Cork. And whoever implements that plan better will go a long way towards winning the game.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2013, 11:59:03 AM
Quote from: theskull1 on September 05, 2013, 11:34:18 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 05, 2013, 08:40:10 AM
As a matter of interest what become of the hurlers who took up the mantel after the strikers refused to play for McCarthy? Are there any on the current team or panel?
I don't believe there's a single one from that panel involved on Sunday ...stand to be corrected
I think there's two, Conor O'Sullivan and Stephen White according to a bit of delving I did from team selections in early 2009.
Really? Thought he was the standout player against Dublin, and there were a lot of good performances that day. I'm sure he would have made it through anyway, but it's a nice story.
1. Anthony Nash
Kanturk
2. Stephen Mc Donnell 3. Shane O'Neill 4. Conor O'Sullivan
Glen Rovers Bishopstown Sarsfields
5. Brian Murphy 6. Christopher Joyce 7. William Egan
Bride Rovers Na Piarsaigh Kilbrin
8. Lorcan Mc Loughlin 9. Daniel Kearney
Kanturk Sarsfields
10. Seamus Harnedy 11. Pa Cronin 12. Conor Lehane
St. Ita's Bishopstown Midleton
13. Luke O'Farrell 14. Patrick Horgan 15. Jamie Coughlan
Midleton Glen Rovers Newtownshandrum
Any spare tickets lads?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
Any spare tickets lads?
Ya ballecks ye..... I'd a couple of spare earlier on that I moved on.
If I hear of any how fussy are you about the location (just so I know)?
Quote from: theskull1 on September 06, 2013, 05:55:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 06, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
Any spare tickets lads?
Ya ballecks ye..... I'd a couple of spare earlier on that I moved on.
If I hear of any how fussy are you about the location (just so I know)?
Skull it's for Joe McD from the club, hes try to get one for his dad, anywhere should do, let me know and I'll send you number, cheers
Gonna put a few bob on Clare to win by 1< 3. Reckon they'll deliver.
Any stream lads for the minor game? Can't get TV3 up here. Don't understand why TV3 isn't on SKY. Also the All Ireland Final day coverage split between both broadcasters is shooooite.
vipbox.tv
Jesus Christ RTE misses the Clare team running out onto the pitch
Keano's back.
Hurling refs are pathetic really.
Deliberately hit on the head with a hurl: yellow card for the culprit and the victim ::)
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 03:47:11 PM
Hurling refs are pathetic really.
Deliberately hit on the head with a hurl: yellow card for the culprit and the victim ::)
After all the stupid sending offs in hurling this year, when the obvious, blatant, straightforward red card offence occurs the ref and umpires still can't get it right.
Some brilliant hurling, mainly by Clare, but it is full of dirty hits and the officials are completely oblivious to it.
I wrongly assumed Clare would be the main culprits but how wrong I was.
Clare getting raped by the ref.
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 03:57:30 PM
Some brilliant hurling, mainly by Clare, but it is full of dirty hits and the officials are completely oblivious to it.
I wrongly assumed Clare would be the main culprits but how wrong I was.
Lots of high tackles, pulling on the man and clips on the hand. Plenty of good hurling too tho. Ref is shite. Not a good year for the standards of hurling refereeing.
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on September 08, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
Clare getting raped by the ref.
Brutally raped.
And the umpires. How the umpires failed to see the strike and them 5 yards away is hard to fathom. Different game with 14 men.
Wide count mounting for Clare....
Quote from: thejuice on September 08, 2013, 11:30:36 AM
Gonna put a few bob on Clare to win by 1< 3. Reckon they'll deliver.
So far so good. A goal could ruin it for me though.
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on September 08, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
Clare getting raped by the ref.
Brutally raped.
The ref has kept Cork in the game, he is giving them all the calls and bottled the sending off. I have a feeling that Cork will push on in the second half and win it, though I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 08, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 04:01:17 PM
Quote from: Sonny Joe on September 08, 2013, 03:58:10 PM
Clare getting raped by the ref.
Brutally raped.
The ref has kept Cork in the game, he is giving them all the calls and bottled the sending off. I have a feeling that Cork will push on in the second half and win it, though I hope I'm wrong.
Clare's wides contributing to keeping Cork in the game as well. Hoping they won't come to rue them....
All summed up perfectly by muppet. Shocking dwcisions by the ref keeping Cork in it.
Isn't that what hurling refs are supposed to do??
Look after the big Counties.
Gone to the break and haven't mentioned the ref yet, seriously WTF?
Quote from: Sonny Joe on September 08, 2013, 04:17:45 PM
Gone to the break and haven't mentioned the ref yet, seriously WTF?
Any talk of cynical fouling and poor refereeing has been banned off the Sunday Game since Brollygate. ;D
Quote from: All of a Sludden on September 08, 2013, 04:11:13 PM
The ref has kept Cork in the game, he is giving them all the calls and bottled the sending off.
He has really, much as you don't want to focus on the ref. I'd expect Cork to make a change or two. Lehane, O Farrell and Coughlan are getting murdered so far. Paudge is flying - 2 points and he's won 3 frees that were scored too.
Football pundits slaughter a man for a tactical but harmless foul.
Hurling pundits say of a deliberate strike to the head with a hurl, "You don't want to see a fella send off in a final.
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 04:26:13 PM
Football pundits slaughter a man for a tactical but harmless foul.
Hurling pundits say of a deliberate strike to the head with a hurl, "You don't want to see a fella send off in a final.
To quote D'Unbelieveables; "Ye can't be doing that!".
How come ten steps are allowed in hurling?
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
How come ten steps are allowed in hurling?
Ask Pythagoras.
Ha.
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
How come ten steps are allowed in hurling?
You just keep going until you run into an opposing player! ;)
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 04:38:01 PM
How come ten steps are allowed in hurling?
Ask Pythagoras.
Sum of (steps + size of large ball)= sum of (steps + small ball).
How many steps can you take when taking a free?
Keeper saves Clare and possibly the ref.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2013, 04:47:42 PM
How many steps can you take when taking a free?
Same number as what the keeper takes coming off his line. 8)
Referee having a nightmare.
Tbh he is a bit of a disgrace with his officiating today.
Inspirational point that!
Quote from: lynchbhoy on September 08, 2013, 04:50:09 PM
Referee having a nightmare.
Tbh he is a bit of a disgrace with his officiating today.
Booked the wrong Clare defender for the penalty. Great response by Clare after the second goal.
Big swing there.
Should have been a goal for Clare.
Goal Cork.
Said it before and I'll say it again, hope Clare's wide tally doesn't come back to haunt them. Gonna be some last 5 mins!
Referee will be lynched after the game as i see Cork winning this?
Clare great under the Cork puckouts. Fantastic to watch.
What odds a draw....
Cork haven't lead in this game.
Clare keeper WTF!!!!
Thank god for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The least Clare deserved would have been a smash and grab win for Cork.
Ref ends up pissing off both sides. Great score to save it for Clare.
Ref gave Clare nothing. Great game though. Would have been hard on Clare to lose that.
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2013, 05:04:47 PM
Ref gave Clare nothing. Great game though. Would have been hard on Clare to lose that.
God a draw was hard enough for Clare. Feck me if they lost it! Referee had a mare!
Not a word about the ref. in the studio.
Glad Clare got another chance
Quote from: BennyCake on September 08, 2013, 05:04:47 PM
Ref gave Clare nothing. Great game though. Would have been hard on Clare to lose that.
Fair play to Clare for playing so well despite the shocking bias of the refereeing. They never let it bother them and kept coming.
Twice in the 2nd half Clare forwards were pulled back, for worthless yellow cards, when they would have been though on goal. The football pundits would slaughter Cork for this. They missed one of the frees as well I think.
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:07:36 PM
Not a word about the ref. in the studio.
They will say nothing negative about the
Beautiful game.
No sign of Davy?
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2013, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:07:36 PM
Not a word about the ref. in the studio.
They will say nothing negative about the Beautiful game.
Fcuk me just enjoy it ffs.
Better than the moaning whinging arseholes on the RTE football panel
effy enough 1st half, screamer of a 2nd half, not sure why the ref get the blame for not winning, i thought they were guilty of alot of drag down type free anytime Cork beared down on nets, they would been plenty of black cards the day i think, Clare played all the hurling and did deserve to win, playing 30 secs over the designated 2mins injury woudlnt be a big deal, its up to the ref on the amount of injury time. Cork didnt turn up the day at all i thought,
Laoislad obviously one of the hurling fraternity - See no Evil, Hear No evil = Hurling is the greatest game in the world.
Bah Humbug.
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2013, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2013, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:07:36 PM
Not a word about the ref. in the studio.
They will say nothing negative about the Beautiful game.
Fcuk me just enjoy it ffs.
Better than the moaning whinging arseholes on the RTE football panel
I did enjoy it, but if you can't recognise that the standard of referring in that was brutal against Clare, no hope for ya
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2013, 05:16:30 PM
Laoislad obviously one of the hurling fraternity - See no Evil, Hear No evil = Hurling is the greatest game in the world.
Bah Humbug.
So what you'd rather they spent the next half an hour complaining about what was wrong in the game instead of talking about everything good in it?
I know living in Roscommon would make anyone depressed but you don't have to be negative about everything.
And yes hurling is the greatest game in the world I'm glad you agree.
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2013, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 08, 2013, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:07:36 PM
Not a word about the ref. in the studio.
They will say nothing negative about the Beautiful game.
Fcuk me just enjoy it ffs.
Better than the moaning whinging arseholes on the RTE football panel
+1
What a game. Took a while to get going but unbelievable last 20 minutes.
Davy not a happy camper.
Don't blame him.
How come the pundits can't see it
Quote from: Sonny Joe on September 08, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
How come the pundits can't see it
Hurling is different.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTpf5HOCIAA-X_N.jpg)
Quote from: Sonny Joe on September 08, 2013, 05:27:24 PM
How come the pundits can't see it
(http://www.cvm.org.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/head_in_the_sand.jpg)
Did ye hear Sheedy there, feck me!
I am beginning to think that the pundits, football and hurling, have the script written before the games. There might be a few themes to choose from, but the match seems to be irrelevant.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
What a game. Took a while to get going but unbelievable last 20 minutes.
You're not allowed to say that. Quick say something negative to make up for it.
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
What a game. Took a while to get going but unbelievable last 20 minutes.
You're not allowed to say that. Quick say something negative to make up for it.
It was a brilliant game, especially the second half. Hurling is the second best game in the world. The referee was cat The pundits refuse to see anything negative, whereas the football pundits tend to concentrate on the negative.
Is that OK?
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
What a game. Took a while to get going but unbelievable last 20 minutes.
You're not allowed to say that. Quick say something negative to make up for it.
It was a brilliant game, especially the exciting second half. Hurling is the second best game in the world. The referee was cat The pundits refuse to see anything negative, whereas the football pundits tend to concentrate on the negative.
+1
Clare were brilliant.
Pa Horgan was Brilliant. Nash was very good.
Cork got two other good goals.
The officials were chronic.
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
What a game. Took a while to get going but unbelievable last 20 minutes.
You're not allowed to say that. Quick say something negative to make up for it.
It was a brilliant game, especially the second half. Hurling is the second best game in the world. The referee was cat The pundits refuse to see anything negative, whereas the football pundits tend to concentrate on the negative.
Is that OK?
You left out a full stop between cat and The.
Had to leave the tv there what was wrong with sheedy and davy???
Quote from: Sonny Joe on September 08, 2013, 05:29:41 PM
Did ye hear Sheedy there, feck me!
I never said a word!!
Quote from: theticklemister on September 08, 2013, 05:46:29 PM
Had to leave the tv there what was wrong with sheedy and davy???
feck all wrong with me and davy. love him on gift grub on today fm. what a 2nd half by the way. would have been an injustice if clare had lost.
Clare were great in both halves, but the ref ruined the first one.
Second half improved as Cork came into it.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
What a game. Took a while to get going but unbelievable last 20 minutes.
You're not allowed to say that. Quick say something negative to make up for it.
It was an brilliant game, especially the exciting second half. Hurling is the second best game in the world. The referee was cat The pundits refuse to see anything negative, whereas the football pundits tend to concentrate on the negative.
+1
Rossfan, you left out the letter 'n' at the end of the word 'an'. Otherwise a top-notch post.
Great game. The goals kept Cork in it and looked liked they could have snatched a win but the corner back saves Clare with last puck of ball. Cork might question why it wasn't blown up earlier but they got two frees in first half that should have gone the other way which helped keep them in game. Also O'Neill lucky to not be sent off early on for hitting Honan who ended up getting yellow carded too! Everyone will look forward to replay now.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 08, 2013, 07:18:46 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 08, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
Quote from: Hardy on September 08, 2013, 05:37:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on September 08, 2013, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on September 08, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
What a game. Took a while to get going but unbelievable last 20 minutes.
You're not allowed to say that. Quick say something negative to make up for it.
It was an brilliant game, especially the exciting second half. Hurling is the second best game in the world. The referee was cat The pundits refuse to see anything negative, whereas the football pundits tend to concentrate on the negative.
+1
Rossfan, you left out the letter 'n' at the end of the word 'an'. Otherwise a top-notch post.
Rossfan, you big tube, were you watching this stick fighting craic instead of attending Eire Og-Tulsk? >:(
I'm afraid Éire Óg and Tulsk would be too exciting for me ::).
However I'll make up for it next Sunday.
Fair Fucks to Nash. After a game like that he remembered Barry Kelly's wife, I think he said it brought the result into prospective.
Quote from: gerrykeegan on September 08, 2013, 08:47:21 PM
Fair f**ks to Nash. After a game like that he remembered Barry Kelly's wife, I think he said it brought the result into prospective.
It was a classy interview alright.
Who will get man of match ?
Poor enough first half, Clare should have been 7 or 8 up. Ref kept Cork in it and his display over the 70-odds mins was shocking. An obvious red for O'Neill which he bottled by giving yellows to both players. Very entertaining 2nd half, 'twould have been the greatest robbery since the Northern Bank had Cork won, and Clare deserved at least a second day out.
Davy Fitz not one bit happy!
Nash's free taking technique...should that be allowed? He actually strikes the ball at least 5-6 metres from the point of the free. Backfired on him in the first half when Kelly almost met him on the 13m line.
Quote from: muppet on September 08, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: gerrykeegan on September 08, 2013, 08:47:21 PM
Fair f**ks to Nash. After a game like that he remembered Barry Kelly's wife, I think he said it brought the result into prospective.
It was a classy interview alright.
Yes, as you get older you have to give credit to a young lad like that (after an AI final and disappointment). When I was his age I don't think I would have had such decency! Fair dues!
Quote from: The Worker on September 08, 2013, 09:08:16 PM
Who will get man of match ?
My MOTM was Clare midfielder Ryan.
Quote from: AQMP on September 08, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
Poor enough first half, Clare should have been 7 or 8 up. Ref kept Cork in it and his display over the 70-odds mins was shocking. An obvious red for O'Neill which he bottled by giving yellows to both players. Very entertaining 2nd half, 'twould have been the greatest robbery since the Northern Bank had Cork won, and Clare deserved at least a second day out.
Davy Fitz not one bit happy!
Nash's free taking technique...should that be allowed? He actually strikes the ball at least 5-6 metres from the point of the free. Backfired on him in the first half when Kelly almost met him on the 13m line.
It is something that will have to be looked at because the penalty should be hit from the 21, his technique is designed to get the ball a lot closer to the goals than any other I have seen, a form of cheating within the rules if you get my meaning, needs looked at ASAP.
Nonetheless it was a great second half.
The GAA have confirmed that tickets for the All-Ireland SHC final replay between Clare and Cork will be priced at reduced rates.
What has already been a championship to remember will be extended by another few weeks following today's dramatic 0-25 to 3-16 draw between the sides.
The much-anticipated replay will take place at Croke Park on Saturday, September 28, with the throw-in time to be rubber-stamped by the Central Competitions Control Committee tomorrow.
This means the All-Ireland Ladies football finals, scheduled for the following day (Sunday, September 29), will go ahead as planned.
The Association moved last year's Ladies football deciders from September 30 to October 7 following the drawn hurling final between Kilkenny and Galway, but there will be no such alterations this time.
Tickets for the September 28 rematch of Clare and Cork are priced as follows - stand €50 (down from €80) and terrace €25 (down from €40).
The GAA will also be making juvenile tickets available for €10, for supporters from Clare and Cork only.
What a game. Referee was at best incompetent and at worst biased. Sure the small fish live to swim another day!
THEY ARE NOT MISSING THE REF ON THE SUNDAY GAME ON HIS PERFORMANCE
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on September 08, 2013, 10:24:08 PM
THEY ARE NOT MISSING THE REF ON THE SUNDAY GAME ON HIS PERFORMANCE
You are not missing the caps lock on your computer! :P
Got rode by the ref alright but missed a half dozen scorable chances, including frees that on another day would be gimmes. Cork were poor enough but goals will always give you a chance. Clare should have finished the job today.
Thought Gavin was very poor for Clare in the first half with at least three non-frees going against Clare in scoreable positions, the David McInerney over carrying one, Firstly the keeper was impeded with a downward stroke on him as he went to lift it, then McInerney was slapped on the arm, not once ,but twice before Gavin signalled the free in for over carrying. Then the Lorcan McLoughlin who ran straight into the Clare lad with the hand carrying the ball pushed into the faceguard of the standing Clare defender, free in to Cork, quite unbelievable if the truth was told.
The Shane O'Neill incident, hard to say as he was probably going on the umpires and it depends on what they told him, the slap around the head though was malicious and unlike the Pa Horgan one earlier on in the year, there wasn't a ball in sight. He should have walked, but its very hard for a hurling referee to send someone off now as its them and not the player involved is accused of ruining the game.
Davy had his homework done, went 15 on 15 and pressed Cork hard in their own defence and it worked. Cork ball into the forwards was terrible, high and hopeful which was ate up by the Clare defenders, only Harnedy was able to get any limited joy out of that type of ball. At this point those soft frees from Gavin were the only thing on offer for Cork and if they hadn't got them I'd have expected Clare to have went in 5 to 7 points up and not the 2 they did.
Clare continued where they left off and pinned on another 2 points and kept that lead until the first Cork goal which Lehane took well but Kelly should have done better, even at that Clare went up the field and got the next point to stifle Cork momentum. IIRC they got the lead back up to 5 points and IMO at this time Davy should have reverted back to the sweeper system as Cork needed goals, closing down the space in there would have prevented at least one of these chances, but hindsight is a great thing.
Both sides live to fight another day, but some of the Cork lads looked deflated with the draw and Clare slightly more upbeat, strange I thought as if you look at it another way, Cork were poor for 50 odd minutes and ended up with a draw, Clare played all the hurling for the most of the game and still couldn't put this Cork team away. It's hard to see Cork being as poor again, but at the same time Clare can hope for a better deal of a different referee as well as a few decisions some of the players made as well costing at least on goal chance in the second half.
On the penalty, free taking thing, I have no issue with Nash's style as he does the proper jab and runs into it, granted 5 metres away, as O'Cusack pointed out there's no way a keeper can be 20 metres away from where the ball is struck when this happens.
IMO Horgan fouls the ball every time as he balances it on the hurl for what seems an inordinate time, if the ball stays dead on the hurl then allegedly its ok, but what if he took a couple more steps with the ball balanced, is that OK? I'd tighten that rule up a bit as well.
Jeez, Cork are certainly riding their luck this year. Imo since the MF sending off was rescinded the Gods have been smiling on Cork hurling.
MotM for me was Brendan Bugler.
Think Clare will win replay handily. Clearly and by far the better team imo.
Did anyone else think the young Clare bucks did to much fancy danning? I think this cost them the game in the end, i.e. soccer effort for a goal and on another occasion and with Clare 3 or 4 points ahead in the 2nd half (i think it was one of the Ryan's) who failed to pass it to his left and decided to go solo for the glory, that was an easier chance.
Criminal stuff really from the fishes. They can only have themselves to blame if Cork win the replay.
When Nash slid out on the Clare guy coming through should that have been a foul??
Slide tackle in football but any rules in hurling?
It is hard to see how Clare could be so dominant again. In their forwards you'd say 4, probably 5 in fact, won their battles against their respective markers. I doubt that'll happen again but then again I doubt they'll leak so many goals either...
Bk page of irish news and irish star........ Headlines all about money; f**k you ya c***ts. All about winnig an all ireland kedal forthose players and management. Headlibes oike that sicken me, bunch of captailist badsrards.
QuoteBk page of irish news and irish star........ Headlines all about money; f**k you ya c***ts. All about winnig an all ireland kedal forthose players and management. Headlibes oike that sicken me, bunch of captailist badsrards.
Are you not embarrassed to be buying the rag ya dope ya!
First off I thought the match had a fantastic finish to it, which brought everyone in the club on to their feet and shouting at the final whistle, for a well deserved draw.
As a referee giving his view of Galvin I thought he was very poor, looked unfit and missed a lot of calls, I thought he was biased for most parts against Clare (was he born in Cork ffs) and the only thing he did was give Clare an extra 42 seconds to score the equaliser.
As for some of the technical fouls, once the player jab lifts the ball then it's in play, there is no rule to stop him for moving 5 yards in with it, which means the goalkeeper can advance once the ball has been lifted.
The argy bargy between the ff and fb, it seemed to me that the Cork lad was the aggressor but there could have been some stuff going on before that that the umpires saw. So he booked both. Clare were by far the better team, Cork took the goal chances and that's why they were still in it and could have won in the end. Will head down to the reply hoping for a Clare win. Oh well done to Waterford in the minor hurling final. And I hope Fitzy won't let his Under 21's play next week in Thurles ;)
Tommy how many times have you seen a goalkeeper get done for coming out like that? not too many I'd say in any code, but if a player does it.....
I'd say you're right on that on the goalie sliding out thoughI thought referees weren't biased ;-)
The ref had a bad game but doubt he was intentionally biased.
It is hard to see how Clare could be so dominant again in the replay. They'll need to get more economical and get a few goals to win this one I suspect. They isolated the big guy who's name I forgot (Homan??)against Shane O'Neill and he didn't get much out of him. They'd need to rethink who to play there the next day. O'Neill is a good operator but the right ball to the right guy in a one on one could be very dangerous.
The problem with Clare not having a goal threat is that the rest of their work (point scoring) has to be almost perfect, in fairness they do put up big tallies but it meant they couldn't get out of sight yesterday when perhaps they should have been.
Gavin was poor alright, couldn't believe the one on McInerney, I could see from the top of the Cusack that the Cork player pulled across his hand but Gavin couldn't see from 10 yards away. I hope Clare win the replay, they were much the better team and Conor Ryan gave one of the best displays I have seen in an All Ireland final. It's obvious Kelly should have done better with Lehanes goal but I also didn't think Cronins was anything out of the ordinary either, I thought he was going for a point at first, he didn't seem to connect fully. As mentioned Honan was poor, he seems to find it hard to get into games at times and they will need a lot more from him the next day.
On another note, an ill bred **** from Cork was sitting beside me, he came in at 3.28pm, steaming, shouted abuse at the Clare players for 35 minutes, I actually thought there was going to be bother as there was a Clare family in front of them took issue with what he was saying, he went out at half time and never came back. Why do people bother ?
Great game and great excitement. Clare were the better team and for most of the match Cork didn't seem sure how to deal with them. Clare's swarm tackling didn't give Cork an inch. Conor Ryan looked as if he could win any ball sent down on top of him. He had a great game. Score of the match for me was Podge Collins' point in the second half. Even though Clare played well they can still improve. Tony Kelly got 3 points but wasn't very conspicuous. John Conlon was quite enough as was Darach Honan. Cian Dillon looked under pressure and Patrick Kelly was poor for Lehane's goal. His arse stopped Nash's first effort. Nash's lift turns a 21 into a 14m free. Cork are hard beat however. Hats off to Conor Lehane. I thought he was not having a great year but he did well yesterday. Horgan and Harnedy were very good and Joyce came into at the end of the game. Did Clare leave it behind them?
Congratulations to Waterford on a great win. They have some serious hurlers.
Clare should have won this by 10. They put too many scoreable chances wide, allowing Cork managed to hang on even though they were struggling.
Podge Collins trying to kick in a goal, but already jumping out of the way of the onrushing Nash was the crucial turning pint. Cork went down the field and levelled with a goal.
If Clare had a goalkeeper who held the hurley correctly and was able to switch it across his body, he might have saved 2 of those goals as well. Clare might have a beef with a couple of refereeing calls, but they also did stupid things to get frees moved up.
The Tarzan like celebrations from players after winning frees is getting ridiculous. Time to stamp it out.
QuoteThe Tarzan like celebrations from players after winning frees is getting ridiculous. Time to stamp it out.
Agreed. Room 101 for that. The RTE love showing replays of it in super slow motion which is more annoying.
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 09:51:11 AM
QuoteBk page of irish news and irish star........ Headlines all about money; f**k you ya c***ts. All about winnig an all ireland medal for those players and management. Headlibes oike that sicken me, bunch of captailist badsrards.
Are you not embarrassed to be buying the rag ya dope ya!
Great for the sport. But for some people it is all about the money that this replay brings.
Quote from: Minder on September 09, 2013, 10:32:14 AM
As mentioned Honan was poor, he seems to find it hard to get into games at times and they will need a lot more from him the next day.
Any chance Honan was concussed, he looked fierce shook after the belt to the head
Brian Gavin gifted Cork at least 3 points in the first half and chickened the red card. Having said that the decisions probably balanced over the hour. Clare coughed up 3 goals and thats why they aren't AI champions. A wonderful game of hurling and in fairness Gavin on the timing did what most referees would do and allowed Clare that once last attack. I like Gavin normally as a ref because he lets play develop, maybe not the best day yesterday but even refs can have an off day. As for Davy Fitz, what can be said love his passion for the game and cute as an oul Tyrone fox he puts pressure on the replay ref without actually saying anything. ;)
Despite the highly exciting finish yesterday both teams will not be happy with their overall performances. This is probably the best way to be heading in to a replay as they will be going all out to put their mistakes right.
I feel Cork have the most room to improve out of both teams. With the tough pressure that Clare forwards put on the Cork backs, I think Cork need to work on getting a free man close to their player in position. The free man then would have more chance of delivering good possession to his forwards.
Just glad we get another game to watch in this excellent hurling season.
Quote from: theticklemister on September 09, 2013, 11:11:56 AM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 09:51:11 AM
QuoteBk page of irish news and irish star........ Headlines all about money; f**k you ya c***ts. All about winnig an all ireland medal for those players and management. Headlibes oike that sicken me, bunch of captailist badsrards.
Are you not embarrassed to be buying the rag ya dope ya!
Great for the sport. But for some people it is all about the money that this replay brings.
To be fair the additional money is the angle on the replay as the medals were up for grabs yesterday and will be the next day, the €2.8 million wasn't there yesterday.
QuoteAs mentioned Honan was poor, he seems to find it hard to get into games at times and they will need a lot more from him the next day.
I think he has been poor enough all year and he's position should be under threat IMO.
Quote from: Mayo4Sam on September 09, 2013, 11:19:59 AM
Quote from: Minder on September 09, 2013, 10:32:14 AM
As mentioned Honan was poor, he seems to find it hard to get into games at times and they will need a lot more from him the next day.
Any chance Honan was concussed, he looked fierce shook after the belt to the head
He took a right hit but I was sitting down that end of the lower cusack and watched the two of them despite the action been up the field and seen Honan go down but for the life of me, I never noticed what O'Neill did to him, happened that quick. Was only on the slow-mo replay last night I saw it.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/hit-parade-with-more-twists-than-a-chubby-checker-convention.22106312 (http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/hit-parade-with-more-twists-than-a-chubby-checker-convention.22106312)
Hit parade with more twists than a Chubby Checker convention
Hugh Macdonald
Chief Sports Writer.
Monday 9 September 2013
THERE is no need for the woefully uninitiated to steal quietly into Croke Park.
Such is the concentrated focus of the surrounding 82,300 supporters that one could in the manner of Lady Godiva gallop into the Cusack Stand, modesty covered only by a cloak of ignorance, and remain unnoticed for the entire afternoon of the All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship.
It is compulsory for major sporting events to create an atmosphere within a stadium that causes one to remember with fondness those days when one had hair on the head that would stand to attention on roared orders from somewhere deep inside.
Croke Park on a finals day is at the very tip of this sporting phenomenon but, being Ireland, it follows a toast to the eternal reality of an extraordinary atmosphere of a September Sunday with something more profound, that drifts in song and words on the wind but cannot be fully grasped or even articulated.
Hurling speaks to the soul of an Irishman. The greatest day of observance was conducted yesterday as Cork took on Clare in the All-Ireland Senior Championship.
Every final has its own backstory and the 2013 version had one to rank with the best. It was marked by the absence of Kilkenny which, for 12 of the past 15 years, have come up to Dublin for the final almost as a matter of divine right. Galway and Tipperary were favoured to be their most formidable opponents this year.
Yet Cork, revitalised under a legend, and Clare, driven by a demon, survived the season to test their body and spirit in front of the hurling nation that comprises 2400 clubs in the country under the GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association), and a further 400 abroad.
Reduced to its simplest terms, this final was a tale of the unexpected. To cut to the end of a compelling drama, it is one that will be repeated in three weeks. Clare 0-25 drew with Cork 3-16. This is the dry arithmetic. It does nothing to describe the excitement of a match that started in fury and gained momentum.
This was the first all backdoor-final since 2004, that is both clubs had been beaten previously this season and survived to the final because of a sort of repechage system. Both clubs, too, had contested a relegation play-off in April. Both clubs now will contest a replay for the Liam MacCarthy Cup.
It is a measure of the turbulence of the day that Clare equalised with the last puck of the day yet will feel aggrieved at the result. Patrick Horgan had put Cork ahead at what seemed the end of a frantic match but Domhnall O'Donovan saved the Banner County with the last swipe.
Clare's performance, though, was committed throughout and carried belief as its standard.
Yet Cork, a county that is said to suffer from a superiority complex, marched on Dublin with a confidence bolstered by a wonderful history of 30 championships and with Jimmy Barry-Murphy at the helm. Barry-Murphy would be hurling's Pele, but only if the great Brazilian was also an invincible coach. Barry-Murphy has won at All-Ireland senior and minor (under-18s) level as both a player and a manager. He also won an All-Ireland final as a Gaelic football player and was an excellent soccer player. He may not be God in Cork but could stand in if the deity had the day off.
Davy Fitzgerald, the Clare coach, is a former goalkeeper with the occasional madness of the breed. Such is the reckless bravery of the custodians in hurling that one suspects the men in white coats who stand by the goalposts to adjudicate points are also there to accompany the goalkeepers to the nearest psychiatric unit after the final whistle. Fitzgerald is not one to take a step backwards and he arrived with a young Clare team, with the county only having a history of three wins in the major championship. Yet Clare, too, are young and innovative, and personified their explosive manager when they ran out of the tunnel in the manner of shrapnel from a landing shell. They caused some damage to Cork in the first half.
Leading 12-10, Clare managed to withstand three goals from Cork in the second period to lead until the final seconds before being overhauled, and then pulling back. A brilliant goal from Conor Lehane and a decisive finish from Pa Cronin were split by the sight of Anthony Nash, the Cork goalkeeper, taking a Sunday stroll of more than 100 metres to dispatch a free hit past his counterpart.
But if Cork scored the goals, Clare made their point in a variety of ways. Their tactic was to smother Cork and then engineer room in midfield to shoot long and true. On 25 occasions the sliotar slipped through the Cork posts. These sometimes outrageous hits were not enough to see off Barry-Murphy and his players.
It was left to Clare to be rueful even though they had escaped from what would have been a dreadful, dispiriting defeat. They could thank O'Donovan for turning up in an unexpected position and then even more unexpectedly swiping the ball between the posts. His manager disclosed afterwards that the defender would have been far from his first choice to take advantage of such a desperate situation.
Fitzgerald, a character so fiery that journalists would have been forgiven for placing their recording devices in front of him with the aid of asbestos gloves, was almost eerily deliberate when reflecting on the second draw in the major final in 57 years. He skirted any invitation to criticise the match referee, who made some close calls in favour of Cork. Instead, he praised his opponents as a fine side and said of his players: "They do not know when to quit."
No-one, player or fan, flagged in a febrile afternoon in Dublin. Hurling drank deep and long a great final yesterday. They will have one more for the road on September 28.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on September 09, 2013, 12:00:59 PM
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/hit-parade-with-more-twists-than-a-chubby-checker-convention.22106312 (http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/other-sports/hit-parade-with-more-twists-than-a-chubby-checker-convention.22106312)
Hit parade with more twists than a Chubby Checker convention
Hugh Macdonald
Chief Sports Writer.
Monday 9 September 2013
THERE is no need for the woefully uninitiated to steal quietly into Croke Park.
Such is the concentrated focus of the surrounding 82,300 supporters that one could in the manner of Lady Godiva gallop into the Cusack Stand, modesty covered only by a cloak of ignorance, and remain unnoticed for the entire afternoon of the All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship.
It is compulsory for major sporting events to create an atmosphere within a stadium that causes one to remember with fondness those days when one had hair on the head that would stand to attention on roared orders from somewhere deep inside.
Croke Park on a finals day is at the very tip of this sporting phenomenon but, being Ireland, it follows a toast to the eternal reality of an extraordinary atmosphere of a September Sunday with something more profound, that drifts in song and words on the wind but cannot be fully grasped or even articulated.
Hurling speaks to the soul of an Irishman. The greatest day of observance was conducted yesterday as Cork took on Clare in the All-Ireland Senior Championship.
Every final has its own backstory and the 2013 version had one to rank with the best. It was marked by the absence of Kilkenny which, for 12 of the past 15 years, have come up to Dublin for the final almost as a matter of divine right. Galway and Tipperary were favoured to be their most formidable opponents this year.
Yet Cork, revitalised under a legend, and Clare, driven by a demon, survived the season to test their body and spirit in front of the hurling nation that comprises 2400 clubs in the country under the GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association), and a further 400 abroad.
Reduced to its simplest terms, this final was a tale of the unexpected. To cut to the end of a compelling drama, it is one that will be repeated in three weeks. Clare 0-25 drew with Cork 3-16. This is the dry arithmetic. It does nothing to describe the excitement of a match that started in fury and gained momentum.
This was the first all backdoor-final since 2004, that is both clubs had been beaten previously this season and survived to the final because of a sort of repechage system. Both clubs, too, had contested a relegation play-off in April. Both clubs now will contest a replay for the Liam MacCarthy Cup.
It is a measure of the turbulence of the day that Clare equalised with the last puck of the day yet will feel aggrieved at the result. Patrick Horgan had put Cork ahead at what seemed the end of a frantic match but Domhnall O'Donovan saved the Banner County with the last swipe.
Clare's performance, though, was committed throughout and carried belief as its standard.
Yet Cork, a county that is said to suffer from a superiority complex, marched on Dublin with a confidence bolstered by a wonderful history of 30 championships and with Jimmy Barry-Murphy at the helm. Barry-Murphy would be hurling's Pele, but only if the great Brazilian was also an invincible coach. Barry-Murphy has won at All-Ireland senior and minor (under-18s) level as both a player and a manager. He also won an All-Ireland final as a Gaelic football player and was an excellent soccer player. He may not be God in Cork but could stand in if the deity had the day off.
Davy Fitzgerald, the Clare coach, is a former goalkeeper with the occasional madness of the breed. Such is the reckless bravery of the custodians in hurling that one suspects the men in white coats who stand by the goalposts to adjudicate points are also there to accompany the goalkeepers to the nearest psychiatric unit after the final whistle. Fitzgerald is not one to take a step backwards and he arrived with a young Clare team, with the county only having a history of three wins in the major championship. Yet Clare, too, are young and innovative, and personified their explosive manager when they ran out of the tunnel in the manner of shrapnel from a landing shell. They caused some damage to Cork in the first half.
Leading 12-10, Clare managed to withstand three goals from Cork in the second period to lead until the final seconds before being overhauled, and then pulling back. A brilliant goal from Conor Lehane and a decisive finish from Pa Cronin were split by the sight of Anthony Nash, the Cork goalkeeper, taking a Sunday stroll of more than 100 metres to dispatch a free hit past his counterpart.
But if Cork scored the goals, Clare made their point in a variety of ways. Their tactic was to smother Cork and then engineer room in midfield to shoot long and true. On 25 occasions the sliotar slipped through the Cork posts. These sometimes outrageous hits were not enough to see off Barry-Murphy and his players.
It was left to Clare to be rueful even though they had escaped from what would have been a dreadful, dispiriting defeat. They could thank O'Donovan for turning up in an unexpected position and then even more unexpectedly swiping the ball between the posts. His manager disclosed afterwards that the defender would have been far from his first choice to take advantage of such a desperate situation.
Fitzgerald, a character so fiery that journalists would have been forgiven for placing their recording devices in front of him with the aid of asbestos gloves, was almost eerily deliberate when reflecting on the second draw in the major final in 57 years. He skirted any invitation to criticise the match referee, who made some close calls in favour of Cork. Instead, he praised his opponents as a fine side and said of his players: "They do not know when to quit."
No-one, player or fan, flagged in a febrile afternoon in Dublin. Hurling drank deep and long a great final yesterday. They will have one more for the road on September 28.
Great article.
The writer said he has been to many olympics, Wimbeldon finals, big soccer and rugby games but that yesterday's game was right up there on a par if not ahead of anything he had witnessed in his lifetime of watching sport all over the globe.
High praise.
Hurling - take a bow.
Keano back for more yesterday as well I see.
No Ard Comhairle seat for him.
on the additional time played by the ref.
obv we all know the timekeeping is at the refs discretion.
it was 29 seconds from the ball went out for a sideline at the end of the game until the cork man actually took the sideline cut.
So the extra 30 seconds or so with whch Clare went up the field to score shouldnt be a big issue.
its about the only thing the ref did right in the game- and certainly the only advantage he seemed to give to clare.
it was a very bad day at the office for the ref yesterday. bordering on disgraceful officiation.
Wonder who will get the replay.
Quote from: orangeman on September 09, 2013, 12:07:30 PM
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Keano back for more yesterday as well I see.
No Ard Comhairle seat for him.
Roy might have been afraid he'd be offered a prawn sandwich if he sat in the cushy seats section.
I'll defend my county-man Brian Gavin a bit. No ref gets all the calls correct because he doesn't have the advantage of slow-mo or reverse-angle replays. There were also a couple of subs introduced right on full time which would have been after he had submitted his intention to play 2 minutes additional time.
With the non-sending off incident, I've seen little comment about why Honan was also booked. I think one of the TV replay angles shows him aiming a swipe at O'Neills stomach, but the bottom line is I'll respect the best independent evidence available - two umpires standing 5 yards away from the pair of players.
Clare didn't nearly lose this match because of what Brian Gavin did or didn't do, and the sooner they accept that and work on their own short-comings, the better their chance for the replay.
Great game though and a nice article above from another independent source. I wonder what the crowd and atmosphere is like at the big Shinty final. I bet they're jealous.
Throw in at 5pm for replay
As an Offaly man, I have great time for Brian Gavin as a ref, but I must admit yesterday I thought he gave Cork a couple of seriously handy frees. The Clare fullback nearly had his hand broken in a swipe that could have even been a red card by a harsh ref, if it was deemed a deliberate chop down on the hand. To turn around and give Cork the free in was unreal. Then the barging call where he gave the free to Cork as well was brutal.
After that though, I didn't see him do too much wrong. He'd have had to go by Umpires advice for the O'Neill/Horan incident, but unless they told him that both players struck, he was always going to go with a yellow each. Maybe if he saw O'Neill's belt he'd have lined him, but then it also appeared that Horan hit into the midriff of O'Neill, so does Horan walk as well? By the letter of the law, yes. Striking, or attempting to strike, with the hurley.
Sometimes I think Brian is hoist by his own petard as he has a name for being a man's ref, and letting the game flow and is sparing with the reds. Yesterday that might have counted against him in that incident.
The biggest turning point of all I felt was Paudge Collins decision to aim a kick at the sliothar instead of using his hurley. The fact that he air kicked made it worse, and then to see the ball going up the other end and a goal coming off it was sickening for Clare.
Clare by far the better team on the day and I thought Conor Ryan, the Clare #9 was MOTM, particularly when he was operating at centre back, he was immense as were the whole Clare half back line.
There is too much complaining about Gavin and I think Clare and neutrals pulling for them are overly focussing on this because of how Clare blew a massive chance of an All Ireland.
First off, there was the perception beforehand that Gavin would 'let the play flow' and let both teams rip the heads off each other as in now tradition in AI finals. His appointment was particularly welcomed by those who were unhappy with the greater enforcement of the rules in this year's championship.
Clare seemed suckered into the trap more than Cork early on and their over exuberant tackling was punished. Also, Clare conceded 13 metres a number of times for dissent. Another sign that their discipline wasn't all there.
The outrage over Pat Horgan getting red in the Munster final for hitting down on the head was probably a factor in the O'Neill yellow card. Also when it's an umpire's word, a referee tends to be even more reluctant. It should have been a red and maybe had Gavin seen it properly, he would have taken this view.
The 2 swing decisions were for the charging Cork player winning a free and McInerney being blown for overholding after receiving what looked like a chop.
However I got the feeling that Gavin realised these were contentious and evened it up a little. He let Clare away with a couple of obvious offences afterwards, including a blatant pick up off the ground. He also warned the Clare keeper Kelly about staying on his line the 2nd time he faced an Anthony Nash placed ball. Which was tantamount acknowledgement that he let him away with a blatant infringement for the first one.
The side with the persecution complex rarely sees this though. A referee is better off to pull up the other side for a couple of small things instead to make it more obvious that a bit of balancing is taking place.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 09, 2013, 01:06:02 PM
There is too much complaining about Gavin and I think Clare and neutrals pulling for them are overly focussing on this because of how Clare blew a massive chance of an All Ireland.
First off, there was the perception beforehand that Gavin would 'let the play flow' and let both teams rip the heads off each other as in now tradition in AI finals. His appointment was particularly welcomed by those who were unhappy with the greater enforcement of the rules in this year's championship.
Clare seemed suckered into the trap more than Cork early on and their over exuberant tackling was punished. Also, Clare conceded 13 metres a number of times for dissent. Another sign that their discipline wasn't all there.
The outrage over Pat Horgan getting red in the Munster final for hitting down on the head was probably a factor in the O'Neill yellow card. Also when it's an umpire's word, a referee tends to be even more reluctant. It should have been a red and maybe had Gavin seen it properly, he would have taken this view.
The 2 swing decisions were for the charging Cork player winning a free and McInerney being blown for overholding after receiving what looked like a chop.
However I got the feeling that Gavin realised these were contentious and evened it up a little. He let Clare away with a couple of obvious offences afterwards, including a blatant pick up off the ground. He also warned the Clare keeper Kelly about staying on his line the 2nd time he faced an Anthony Nash placed ball. Which was tantamount acknowledgement that he let him away with a blatant infringement for the first one.
The side with the persecution complex rarely sees this though. A referee is better off to pull up the other side for a couple of small things instead to make it more obvious that a bit of balancing is taking place.
I'm not sure Kelly made much of a blatant infringement for the first one, but maybe Miltown can tell us. Firstly, for an 'ordinary 20 metre free' does the goalie have to be on the line? Or can he just be a certain distance away?
Secondly, I believe the ball is in play when the striker lifts it, so the goalie can move at that stage anyway. Nash threw the ball so high and so far that he was nearly in on top of the goalie coming the other way.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2013, 01:12:11 PM
I'm not sure Kelly made much of a blatant infringement for the first one, but maybe Miltown can tell us. Firstly, for an 'ordinary 20 metre free' does the goalie have to be on the line? Or can he just be a certain distance away?
Secondly, I believe the ball is in play when the striker lifts it, so the goalie can move at that stage anyway. Nash threw the ball so high and so far that he was nearly in on top of the goalie coming the other way.
While in football it is 13 metres, in hurling players have to be 20 metres back from frees. So this rule effectively pins the keeper and others to the goal line regardless.
I can see the need for more clarification about the rising of the ball for frees going on from here though.
20 metres back when the ball is being lifted, but if it takes 2 seconds for the ball to come back down out of the elements, can the goalie not come off his line? That said, I think Kelly probably did start out from in front of the defenders on his line, but they all do that for 'ordinary' frees. I'm not sure if there's a different rule for penalties.
I would definitely be a neutral rooting for Clare. I would agree with the Offlay guys that Gavin, whilst by his own standards had a bad day, was not the reason why Clare didn't win. They didn't get the rub of the green at times (miss kicked goal attempt) and were on the wrong side of a few dodgy calls, but they got a few as well. Any team scoring 25 points should win but ultimately the goals cost them and that wasn't the ref's doing. I don't think Davy believes that either...he's just playing the game. Not a big fan of Cork but I have the utmost respect for JBM and what he has achieved. Fair play also to Nash as he said somethings put games in perspective and te untimely death of Barry Kelly's young wife reminds us that ultimately it is only sport.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 09, 2013, 02:05:54 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2013, 01:12:11 PM
I'm not sure Kelly made much of a blatant infringement for the first one, but maybe Miltown can tell us. Firstly, for an 'ordinary 20 metre free' does the goalie have to be on the line? Or can he just be a certain distance away?
Secondly, I believe the ball is in play when the striker lifts it, so the goalie can move at that stage anyway. Nash threw the ball so high and so far that he was nearly in on top of the goalie coming the other way.
While in football it is 13 metres, in hurling players have to be 20 metres back from frees. So this rule effectively pins the keeper and others to the goal line regardless.
I can see the need for more clarification about the rising of the ball for frees going on from here though.
There is no need for clarification Anthony Nash's technique is perfectly within the rules as it all takes place within one movement. He's not the first Corkman to do so. Christy Ring perfected the same technique years ago. Once the ball is in play there is nothing in the rules to prevent the keeper encroaching, yesterday he was not on his line to start with...one for Clare from the ref?
As a neutral yesterday I was probably siding for Clare but truth been told when Cork got their last goal and last point, i jumped out of my seat, the final Clare point got the same. Was just one of those games.
As a side, enjoyed the halftime stuff yesterday. That freestyle hurling has good potential.
Pa Cronin is from the Nicky English school of free taking too. Nicky used to balance the ball on the hurl for an inordinate amount of time before striking. DJ used to do something similar I think..
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2013, 02:53:49 PM
Pa Cronin is from the Nicky English school of free taking too. Nicky used to balance the ball on the hurl for an inordinate amount of time before striking. DJ used to do something similar I think..
I think that should be a foul, it should be a sharp jab then strike, not a slide the hurl under that ball, balance it for a few strides then hit it.
Quoteon the additional time played by the ref.
obv we all know the timekeeping is at the refs discretion.
it was 29 seconds from the ball went out for a sideline at the end of the game until the cork man actually took the sideline cut.
Well if the banner goalie had given the sliotar back the cut might have been taken quicker.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2013, 01:02:02 PM
As an Offaly man, I have great time for Brian Gavin as a ref, but I must admit yesterday I thought he gave Cork a couple of seriously handy frees. The Clare fullback nearly had his hand broken in a swipe that could have even been a red card by a harsh ref, if it was deemed a deliberate chop down on the hand. To turn around and give Cork the free in was unreal. Then the barging call where he gave the free to Cork as well was brutal.
After that though, I didn't see him do too much wrong. He'd have had to go by Umpires advice for the O'Neill/Horan incident, but unless they told him that both players struck, he was always going to go with a yellow each. Maybe if he saw O'Neill's belt he'd have lined him, but then it also appeared that Horan hit into the midriff of O'Neill, so does Horan walk as well? By the letter of the law, yes. Striking, or attempting to strike, with the hurley.
Sometimes I think Brian is hoist by his own petard as he has a name for being a man's ref, and letting the game flow and is sparing with the reds. Yesterday that might have counted against him in that incident.
The biggest turning point of all I felt was Paudge Collins decision to aim a kick at the sliothar instead of using his hurley. The fact that he air kicked made it worse, and then to see the ball going up the other end and a goal coming off it was sickening for Clare.
Clare by far the better team on the day and I thought Conor Ryan, the Clare #9 was MOTM, particularly when he was operating at centre back, he was immense as were the whole Clare half back line.
Watched that back on the Sunday Game last night and it looks a bad call no doubt. I actually thought at the time it was a definite Cork free in as it happened. Just the angle I saw it. Maybe it was the same for Gavin. Easy for us to make a decision seeing it 2 or 3 times. Gavin had a split second and saw it from a different view to the cameras. No doubt it was wrong but maybe not as blatant or incomprehensible as we think.
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 03:33:57 PM
Quoteon the additional time played by the ref.
obv we all know the timekeeping is at the refs discretion.
it was 29 seconds from the ball went out for a sideline at the end of the game until the cork man actually took the sideline cut.
Well if the banner goalie had given the sliotar back the cut might have been taken quicker.
Even after Kelly threw the ball backwards there still wasn't a Cork man in place to hit it for quite a few seconds.
On Kellys grip, he did look a bit pedestrian getting the hurl over to his right side, something allegedly the Kilkenny lads used to target Brendan Cummins opposite side too as they felt it was his weakness. Kellys great save in the first half was on his left side, maybe he'd be better showing the Cork forwards more of the goals on his good side from now on.
Quote from: johnneycool on September 09, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
Quote from: highorlow on September 09, 2013, 03:33:57 PM
Quoteon the additional time played by the ref.
obv we all know the timekeeping is at the refs discretion.
it was 29 seconds from the ball went out for a sideline at the end of the game until the cork man actually took the sideline cut.
Well if the banner goalie had given the sliotar back the cut might have been taken quicker.
Even after Kelly threw the ball backwards there still wasn't a Cork man in place to hit it for quite a few seconds.
On Kellys grip, he did look a bit pedestrian getting the hurl over to his right side, something allegedly the Kilkenny lads used to target Brendan Cummins opposite side too as they felt it was his weakness. Kellys great save in the first half was on his left side, maybe he'd be better showing the Cork forwards more of the goals on his good side from now on.
Aye, but Cummins was a lot quicker at getting the hurley across his body though.
Look at Shefflin's penalty in 2009, Cummins always gives himself whiplash trying to get the hurley around his body in time. He failed by fractions and almost doubled the ball onwards into the net.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a74RMGL_c8E
Another problem for Kelly is how short his reach becomes by the time he gets it to his right side. He holds his right hand way too far down the hurley therefore his reach barely extends a foot beyond his right shoulder.
Why didn't Stephen Moylan play that sideline ball along the line towards the corner flag?
Hindsight. Lucky Sean Cavanagh wasn't playing.
Quote from: belleaqua on September 09, 2013, 03:40:03 PM
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2013, 01:02:02 PM
As an Offaly man, I have great time for Brian Gavin as a ref, but I must admit yesterday I thought he gave Cork a couple of seriously handy frees. The Clare fullback nearly had his hand broken in a swipe that could have even been a red card by a harsh ref, if it was deemed a deliberate chop down on the hand. To turn around and give Cork the free in was unreal. Then the barging call where he gave the free to Cork as well was brutal.
After that though, I didn't see him do too much wrong. He'd have had to go by Umpires advice for the O'Neill/Horan incident, but unless they told him that both players struck, he was always going to go with a yellow each. Maybe if he saw O'Neill's belt he'd have lined him, but then it also appeared that Horan hit into the midriff of O'Neill, so does Horan walk as well? By the letter of the law, yes. Striking, or attempting to strike, with the hurley.
Sometimes I think Brian is hoist by his own petard as he has a name for being a man's ref, and letting the game flow and is sparing with the reds. Yesterday that might have counted against him in that incident.
The biggest turning point of all I felt was Paudge Collins decision to aim a kick at the sliothar instead of using his hurley. The fact that he air kicked made it worse, and then to see the ball going up the other end and a goal coming off it was sickening for Clare.
Clare by far the better team on the day and I thought Conor Ryan, the Clare #9 was MOTM, particularly when he was operating at centre back, he was immense as were the whole Clare half back line.
Watched that back on the Sunday Game last night and it looks a bad call no doubt. I actually thought at the time it was a definite Cork free in as it happened. Just the angle I saw it. Maybe it was the same for Gavin. Easy for us to make a decision seeing it 2 or 3 times. Gavin had a split second and saw it from a different view to the cameras. No doubt it was wrong but maybe not as blatant or incomprehensible as we think.
I agree, remember thinking during the game that it was the correct decision, however on TV Gavin turned out to be wrong. Horgan's free style is fine, and great to watch. He is a wonderful striker of the ball as in Ryan and Nash.
Quote from: AZOffaly on September 09, 2013, 01:12:11 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 09, 2013, 01:06:02 PM
There is too much complaining about Gavin and I think Clare and neutrals pulling for them are overly focussing on this because of how Clare blew a massive chance of an All Ireland.
First off, there was the perception beforehand that Gavin would 'let the play flow' and let both teams rip the heads off each other as in now tradition in AI finals. His appointment was particularly welcomed by those who were unhappy with the greater enforcement of the rules in this year's championship.
Clare seemed suckered into the trap more than Cork early on and their over exuberant tackling was punished. Also, Clare conceded 13 metres a number of times for dissent. Another sign that their discipline wasn't all there.
The outrage over Pat Horgan getting red in the Munster final for hitting down on the head was probably a factor in the O'Neill yellow card. Also when it's an umpire's word, a referee tends to be even more reluctant. It should have been a red and maybe had Gavin seen it properly, he would have taken this view.
The 2 swing decisions were for the charging Cork player winning a free and McInerney being blown for overholding after receiving what looked like a chop.
However I got the feeling that Gavin realised these were contentious and evened it up a little. He let Clare away with a couple of obvious offences afterwards, including a blatant pick up off the ground. He also warned the Clare keeper Kelly about staying on his line the 2nd time he faced an Anthony Nash placed ball. Which was tantamount acknowledgement that he let him away with a blatant infringement for the first one.
The side with the persecution complex rarely sees this though. A referee is better off to pull up the other side for a couple of small things instead to make it more obvious that a bit of balancing is taking place.
I'm not sure Kelly made much of a blatant infringement for the first one, but maybe Miltown can tell us. Firstly, for an 'ordinary 20 metre free' does the goalie have to be on the line? Or can he just be a certain distance away?
Secondly, I believe the ball is in play when the striker lifts it, so the goalie can move at that stage anyway. Nash threw the ball so high and so far that he was nearly in on top of the goalie coming the other way.
It's not a foul in my book anyways, the second he lifts it then the keeper or anyone else can chase it down, I did think the keep was off his line anyway so he should have been pulled for that, as for the second one Nash tortured Galvin the whole way in about so he was always going to say to him.
Wouldn't be too hard with Galvin I thought he'd got a couple wrong but in truth it wasn't the worst display of refereeing at headquarters
I've never posted on the hurling discussion before mostly because Armagh folk know very little about hurling in comparison to the two counties who played yesterday.(indeed less than most counties) I think the game was fantastic I started off as a neutral even after living in cork for a couple of years but as the game wore on Clare had the edge.
I simply cannot believe the comments on the radio today about the gaa cashing in..blah blah.. and people from both cork and Clare yapping about having to head back to croke park. anyone who has any spare tickets send them to Armagh it would be a great privilege to get to see the replay of this game from anywhere in croke park.
Cork hadnt been there in 7/8yrs and Clare 11, you think they like another day out, tight feckers!! love my team to be in a final they bouncing back down a few wks later for the replay
3.16? Wasnt that Stone Cold steve Austin t-shirt?
Quote from: lawnseed on September 09, 2013, 09:37:16 PM
I've never posted on the hurling discussion before mostly because Armagh folk know very little about hurling in comparison to the two counties who played yesterday.(indeed less than most counties) I think the game was fantastic I started off as a neutral even after living in cork for a couple of years but as the game wore on Clare had the edge.
I simply cannot believe the comments on the radio today about the gaa cashing in..blah blah.. and people from both cork and Clare yapping about having to head back to croke park. anyone who has any spare tickets send them to Armagh it would be a great privilege to get to see the replay of this game from anywhere in croke park.
Funny how you never hear anyone complain after winning a semi-final about having to head back to Croke Park.
Quote from: lawnseed on September 09, 2013, 09:37:16 PM
I've never posted on the hurling discussion before mostly because Armagh folk know very little about hurling in comparison to the two counties who played yesterday.(indeed less than most counties) I think the game was fantastic I started off as a neutral even after living in cork for a couple of years but as the game wore on Clare had the edge.
I simply cannot believe the comments on the radio today about the gaa cashing in..blah blah.. and people from both cork and Clare yapping about having to head back to croke park. anyone who has any spare tickets send them to Armagh it would be a great privilege to get to see the replay of this game from anywhere in croke park.
I'd doubt that Gavin had the financial implications of either sets of fans in his mind when 'playing for the draw' which in my mind he didn't. Playing an additional 2 minutes and 40 plus seconds and as someone else mentioned the subs coming on right at the death over 35 minutes is hardly any great injustice in my mind.
I'd say those complaining are a bit on the fair weather side of the supporters groups. There's some of us could only dream of watching our county play in an AI hurling final, let alone be within the puck of a ball of winning it. Christmas would be put on hold if it ever happened.
Regan: Davy's ranting will cost Clare an All-Ireland
Former Offaly hurler Daithi Regan believes Davy Fitzgerald's attitude towards match officials will end up costing Clare an All-Ireland title.
By John Fogarty
The pundit slammed the Clare manager for his post-match comments on Sunday and claimed he shouldered Cork selector Kieran Kingston during the game.
"He needs to be very careful what he says after games. He needs to be very careful about what he does on the sideline because I've heard enough people talk about passion and the drive. Well I'm having none of it. I'm sick to death of it, to be honest. He will cost this Clare team an All-Ireland final yet.
"When referees and sideline men go in at half-time for 15 minutes very simply they don't talk about the weather. They discuss what was going on.
"I watched him closely yesterday. He has a fantastic young team. Do not bring them down, pal. Because I'll tell you what, he walked by Kingston yesterday along the sideline with his hands on his hips and put his shoulder into him lightly but he put his shoulder in. Clare were leading by four points, I looked at the scoreboard and (thought) 'what are you at?'
"He berated the linesman, he berated (Brian) Gavin every time he came anywhere near him."
Speaking on Newstalk's Off The Ball last night, Regan also defended Gavin's performance. He acknowledged his fellow Offaly man made mistakes in the first-half but said he had an "impeccable" second-half.
He also hit back at Ger Loughnane who questioned Gavin's fitness on The Sunday Game, describing the former Clare manager's comments as "disgraceful" and "way out of line".
Meanwhile, Anthony Daly has been re-appointed Dublin manager for a sixth season in charge. The Clarecastle man this year led the county to their first Leinster title since 1961.
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/regan-davys-ranting-will-cost-clare-an-all-ireland-242548.html
That sounds like a man ranting giving out about a man ranting.
Quote from: muppet on September 10, 2013, 09:53:16 AM
That sounds like a man ranting giving out about a man ranting.
Thought that myself. I like Daithi for his no nonsense approach on TV3, but he gets it wrong once in a while.
I wonder did Daithi think the same thing when Cody and Fogarty were having a right go at Anthony Cunningham last year?
FFS, it has no bearing on the game whatsoever.
They were saying on Radio 1 during the commentary that Davy was roaring from the start at the officials. It's a constant thing with him, whereas other managers like Cody might just do it occasionally during a game. Hard to say whether it has an effect on the referee either way but it's pretty unsporting and not a very good example for kids at the game. It's good crack to watch but the team might be better off if he calmed down a bit on match day.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 10, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
They were saying on Radio 1 during the commentary that Davy was roaring from the start at the officials. It's a constant thing with him, whereas other managers like Cody might just do it occasionally during a game. Hard to say whether it has an effect on the referee either way but it's pretty unsporting and not a very good example for kids at the game. It's good crack to watch but the team might be better off if he calmed down a bit on match day.
It's just Davy's way of doing things.
When he was player, every ball that bisected the uprights was "wide ball, wide ball".
Doctors might call it hurling tourettes.
I remember in 2006 Clare were playing Limerick in a qualifier and absolutely destroying them.
There was an RTE mic behind the goal. It was switched on near the end and it caught Davy sledging some hapless Limerick forward. He was roaring "That's all you're f**king good for. Yahoo! Yahoo! It's all you're good for, yahoo, woohoo".
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 10, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
They were saying on Radio 1 during the commentary that Davy was roaring from the start at the officials. It's a constant thing with him, whereas other managers like Cody might just do it occasionally during a game. Hard to say whether it has an effect on the referee either way but it's pretty unsporting and not a very good example for kids at the game. It's good crack to watch but the team might be better off if he calmed down a bit on match day.
It has the opposite effect on referees, If he thinks by berating the officials that he'll get them to sway more his way then he is truly barking mad. I referee and any manager that whats to have a go at me by shouting constantly will walk, I've done it 3 times this year, if he'd like a quiet word in my ear about something then fine, anything else is abuse and no ref should take that, only encourages the players and everyone else, supporters included ffs.
The next referee will ref it the way he normally does, he won't be swayed by whats went on before or said in any pre/post match interviews
Daithi Regan seems to have an opinion on everything these days. Wonder did he ever have a go at Cody for doing the same? I remember a Galway v Kilkenny game in Thurles from around 03/04 when Cody virtually spent the entire game 5 yards inside the field of play roaring at the ref for 70 minutes.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 10, 2013, 12:06:25 PM
It's just Davy's way of doing things.
When he was player, every ball that bisected the uprights was "wide ball, wide ball".
Doctors might call it hurling tourettes.
I remember in 2006 Clare were playing Limerick in a qualifier and absolutely destroying them.
There was an RTE mic behind the goal. It was switched on near the end and it caught Davy sledging some hapless Limerick forward. He was roaring "That's all you're f**king good for. Yahoo! Yahoo! It's all you're good for, yahoo, woohoo".
;D Hilarious. It would be a shame if he changed really.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2013, 12:07:05 PM
It has the opposite effect on referees, If he thinks by berating the officials that he'll get them to sway more his way then he is truly barking mad. I referee and any manager that whats to have a go at me by shouting constantly will walk, I've done it 3 times this year, if he'd like a quiet word in my ear about something then fine, anything else is abuse and no ref should take that, only encourages the players and everyone else, supporters included ffs.
The next referee will ref it the way he normally does, he won't be swayed by whats went on before or said in any pre/post match interviews
Almost never see an inter-county official get sent off. Maybe it's harder to hear them with the bigger crowds but even 82,000 wouldn't drown out our Davy.
Was just talking to Mammy on skype there. She was saying "it was an awful pity Clare didn't win. I felt so sorry for poor Davy. Awww, If ya saw the little face on him after the game". She was dead serious too.
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 10, 2013, 03:25:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 10, 2013, 12:07:05 PM
It has the opposite effect on referees, If he thinks by berating the officials that he'll get them to sway more his way then he is truly barking mad. I referee and any manager that whats to have a go at me by shouting constantly will walk, I've done it 3 times this year, if he'd like a quiet word in my ear about something then fine, anything else is abuse and no ref should take that, only encourages the players and everyone else, supporters included ffs.
The next referee will ref it the way he normally does, he won't be swayed by whats went on before or said in any pre/post match interviews
Almost never see an inter-county official get sent off. Maybe it's harder to hear them with the bigger crowds but even 82,000 wouldn't drown out our Davy.
Was just talking to Mammy on skype there. She was saying "it was an awful pity Clare didn't win. I felt so sorry for poor Davy. Awww, If ya saw the little face on him after the game". She was dead serious too.
Possibly but he'd be giving the fourth official and the lines men abuse which is the same thing and is against the rules
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 10, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
They were saying on Radio 1 during the commentary that Davy was roaring from the start at the officials. It's a constant thing with him, whereas other managers like Cody might just do it occasionally during a game. Hard to say whether it has an effect on the referee either way but it's pretty unsporting and not a very good example for kids at the game. It's good crack to watch but the team might be better off if he calmed down a bit on match day.
It's really funny to see the GAA force the players into shaking the hands of their opponents and the officials and then 2 minutes later they're cutting the lining out of each other and boys like Davy are giving the officials the worst of bad manners along the line to the linesmen and 4th official.
BTW who voted in this shite about lining up soccer style and shaking hands ?.
Have we not introduced enough of the soccer stuff into GAA eithout trying to further immitate them ?.
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:15:15 PM
Quote from: Asal Mor on September 10, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
They were saying on Radio 1 during the commentary that Davy was roaring from the start at the officials. It's a constant thing with him, whereas other managers like Cody might just do it occasionally during a game. Hard to say whether it has an effect on the referee either way but it's pretty unsporting and not a very good example for kids at the game. It's good crack to watch but the team might be better off if he calmed down a bit on match day.
It's really funny to see the GAA force the players into shaking the hands of their opponents and the officials and then 2 minutes later they're cutting the lining out of each other and boys like Davy are giving the officials the worst of bad manners along the line to the linesmen and 4th official.
BTW who voted in this shite about lining up soccer style and shaking hands ?.
Have we not introduced enough of the soccer stuff into GAA eithout trying to further immitate them ?.
Yeah couldn't agree more. Not sure if anyone has highlighted this but the thing that really f*cked me off about the final was that any time there was a foul or a schmozzle on the field instead of showing a replay of the incident, the big screen in Croker flashed up a 'Give Respect, Get Respect' slogan or an ad for Liberty Insurance. No one wants to see that guff, just show the match footage.
Cork deserve to lose for this alone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmHxSNxOaI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHmHxSNxOaI)
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 10, 2013, 09:40:42 AM
Regan: Davy's ranting will cost Clare an All-Ireland
Former Offaly hurler Daithi Regan believes Davy Fitzgerald's attitude towards match officials will end up costing Clare an All-Ireland title.
By John Fogarty
The pundit slammed the Clare manager for his post-match comments on Sunday and claimed he shouldered Cork selector Kieran Kingston during the game.
"He needs to be very careful what he says after games. He needs to be very careful about what he does on the sideline because I've heard enough people talk about passion and the drive. Well I'm having none of it. I'm sick to death of it, to be honest. He will cost this Clare team an All-Ireland final yet.
"When referees and sideline men go in at half-time for 15 minutes very simply they don't talk about the weather. They discuss what was going on.
"I watched him closely yesterday. He has a fantastic young team. Do not bring them down, pal. Because I'll tell you what, he walked by Kingston yesterday along the sideline with his hands on his hips and put his shoulder into him lightly but he put his shoulder in. Clare were leading by four points, I looked at the scoreboard and (thought) 'what are you at?'
"He berated the linesman, he berated (Brian) Gavin every time he came anywhere near him."
Speaking on Newstalk's Off The Ball last night, Regan also defended Gavin's performance. He acknowledged his fellow Offaly man made mistakes in the first-half but said he had an "impeccable" second-half.
He also hit back at Ger Loughnane who questioned Gavin's fitness on The Sunday Game, describing the former Clare manager's comments as "disgraceful" and "way out of line".
Meanwhile, Anthony Daly has been re-appointed Dublin manager for a sixth season in charge. The Clarecastle man this year led the county to their first Leinster title since 1961.
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/regan-davys-ranting-will-cost-clare-an-all-ireland-242548.html
I'm afraid Daithi loves the sound of his voice,didnt he say a few weeks ago that Kilkenny hurling style is outdated?Also had a go at the Clare team under Loughnane reign. He must have forgot Offaly wouldnt won a All Ireland in 1998 if Clare hadnt agreed to a replay when ref Jimmy Cooney blew the game up 2 minutes early .
Quote from: Gael85 on September 10, 2013, 08:40:46 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on September 10, 2013, 09:40:42 AM
Regan: Davy's ranting will cost Clare an All-Ireland
Former Offaly hurler Daithi Regan believes Davy Fitzgerald's attitude towards match officials will end up costing Clare an All-Ireland title.
By John Fogarty
The pundit slammed the Clare manager for his post-match comments on Sunday and claimed he shouldered Cork selector Kieran Kingston during the game.
"He needs to be very careful what he says after games. He needs to be very careful about what he does on the sideline because I've heard enough people talk about passion and the drive. Well I'm having none of it. I'm sick to death of it, to be honest. He will cost this Clare team an All-Ireland final yet.
"When referees and sideline men go in at half-time for 15 minutes very simply they don't talk about the weather. They discuss what was going on.
"I watched him closely yesterday. He has a fantastic young team. Do not bring them down, pal. Because I'll tell you what, he walked by Kingston yesterday along the sideline with his hands on his hips and put his shoulder into him lightly but he put his shoulder in. Clare were leading by four points, I looked at the scoreboard and (thought) 'what are you at?'
"He berated the linesman, he berated (Brian) Gavin every time he came anywhere near him."
Speaking on Newstalk's Off The Ball last night, Regan also defended Gavin's performance. He acknowledged his fellow Offaly man made mistakes in the first-half but said he had an "impeccable" second-half.
He also hit back at Ger Loughnane who questioned Gavin's fitness on The Sunday Game, describing the former Clare manager's comments as "disgraceful" and "way out of line".
Meanwhile, Anthony Daly has been re-appointed Dublin manager for a sixth season in charge. The Clarecastle man this year led the county to their first Leinster title since 1961.
http://examiner.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/regan-davys-ranting-will-cost-clare-an-all-ireland-242548.html
I'm afraid Daithi loves the sound of his voice,didnt he say a few weeks ago that Kilkenny hurling style is outdated?Also had a go at the Clare team under Loughnane reign. He must have forgot Offaly wouldnt won a All Ireland in 1998 if Clare hadnt agreed to a replay when ref Jimmy Cooney blew the game up 2 minutes early .
Clare agreed to nothing in 1998. They actually insisted that the result should stand.
But yes, the longer Regan hangs around as a pundit and the more his utterings get parsed, the more contradictions will start to crop up.
Quote from: north aontroim gael on September 10, 2013, 04:56:53 PM
the thing that really f*cked me off about the final was that any time there was a foul or a schmozzle on the field instead of showing a replay of the incident, the big screen in Croker flashed up a 'Give Respect, Get Respect' slogan or an ad for Liberty Insurance. No one wants to see that guff, just show the match footage.
You've obviously not been in Croker for a while buckeen.
That's going on a few years now -ever since the Mattie Forde incident.
Quote from: orangeman on September 10, 2013, 04:15:15 PM
BTW who voted in this shite about lining up soccer style and shaking hands ?.
Who voted in prematch parades, singing the National Anthem , the lad abseiling beofre last yeas All Ireland football final and all the other match day frolics etc?
Why is it sh1te??
There is a lot of time to kill on All Ireland final day. Will there be any game played before the replay. None spring to mind, which means there will be less time to kill and therefore less of the stuff that annoys you.
Will the 5pm throw-in for the replay be a problem? Surely it could start getting dark before the end of the game. Anyone here played hurling under lights? I haven't but it must be more difficult to see the ball at times.
Should be no problem imo as the game will be played at dusk when there should be enoughish daylight anyway complemented by the floodlights.
Have played hurling under lights and never found it to be a problem except in the older types which sometimes had "dark spots" near the corners or sidelines.
Don't think CP will have that problem.
BTW, Clare to win by close on 8 points imo. By far the best hurlers and the ideal preparation of having an U21 final inbetween games .
Quote from: Canalman on September 17, 2013, 03:59:32 PM
Should be no problem imo as the game will be played at dusk when there should be enoughish daylight anyway complemented by the floodlights.
Have played hurling under lights and never found it to be a problem except in the older types which sometimes had "dark spots" near the corners or sidelines.
Don't think CP will have that problem.
BTW, Clare to win by close on 8 points imo. By far the best hurlers and the ideal preparation of having an U21 final inbetween games .
Unless its a shitty wet day I'd envisage there'd still be plenty of natural light at 6.30pm ish. Can't see light being an issue. They'll probably have the lights on anyway.
On the replay, will Clare snuff out the goal threat with the sweeper or go man for man again with maybe one of the two corner forwards staying closer to goal. Honan looked a bit isolated at times the last day.
I think Clare will need a goal or two the next day.
The lights were on for the Club All-Ireland Final last March and I didn't hear any complaints. And johnnycool is right, there will be a fair degree of daylight at that time, unless the day turns out bad.
Hope ye're right and it's not an issue. I fancy Clare but I'm a bit sore after putting a nice bit on them to win in 70 minutes last time.
Oh this game is going to be hard to call, I think Clare will do it but not without putting their fans through torture. Clare played the better hurling and I've no reason that they won't do it again, but can Cork play as bad, I know Clare bossed them for most parts but Cork stuck at it and could have won.
So I'm going for a Clare Clare, half time full time for my bet
Talk of Harnedy being injured for Cork, if he is then that'll be a blow to them as he did win a limited amount of ball the last day, something the other half forwards failed to do.. Maybe the introduction of McCarthy to the centre forward berth could help, but living off the scraps they did the last day won't be enough..
Hope Clare win, but its hard to see them having as much possession again, but maybe if they use what they have a bit better and some of their forwards don't ate the lace out of the ball, they'll not need the 25 odd points..
Who knows!
I thought after the first match Clare left it behind. Would love them to win but still think Cork by 3 or 4.
Ive been really impressed with Clare this year and how they have played. I thought they might falter against Limerick (Note to self don't fall for Limerick hype in future!) then as the first match approached I thought they can't keep this going so I thought Cork would catch them. However they seem to have got stronger and from all ive seem of them, and read in the papers, they do seem confident in their own ability and relaxed so I think and I hope Clare will do it tomorrow.
Really looking forward to this game, hopeful Clare can pull through!
Like most I thought they were significantly the better team last day out but no two games are ever the same and expect Cork to go much shorter with their poc outs this time, making it more difficult for Clare to dominate possession. Given the goal threat Cork posed will Davy consider the sweeper again?
Another interesting question to be answered will be the players conditioning, when Pep Guardiola took Barcelona he accepted you couldn't maintain fitness all year, and that 3/4 month cycles where about as good as you could hope, he trained to dip in form in both Nov and Feb!
Clare seemed to heavily load pre season with conditioning and use intense hurling to maintain, will the
3 week extension prove harder to manage or will youthful exerburance render the science redundant
Great start some pace to the game.
Yeah, it's started very well, hope the tempo keeps up
Dream start for Clare can they keep it going now?
Lads no expert in hurling but just wondering about the fitness levels of hurlers compared to footballers. The pace of this game is unreal. Would they be as fit or fitter than county footballers??
Crazy start. Some finishing by that young corner forward.
QuoteThe pace of this game is unreal. Would they be as fit or fitter than county footballers??
We'll see after 60 minutes or so. Cracking pace so far.
Clare getting shafted by ref yet again
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 28, 2013, 05:39:19 PM
Clare getting shafted by ref yet again
+1
He's gifted Cork 1-2 and ignored a couple of blatant fouls on Clare lads.
Ref kept Cork in it last day with soft frees, looks like more of the same.
He's now gifted them 1 -3
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on September 28, 2013, 05:57:02 PM
He's now gifted them 1 -3
Make that 1-4.
Davy Fitz really doesn't do himself or his team any favours.
In fairness a great comeback by Cork, all to play for now.
A great America so far Clare's hurling has been a joy to watch! I know it isn't an easy game to referee at the best of times but something has to be done about refs!! The ref has gifted cork their comeback and its no wonder the fitz is annoyed!!!
*game*
Clare have scored one point in the second half! Not looking good for the banner?
The refereeing just gets worse
Ref doing them no favours, but this clare team should be out of sight, they go ahead, then stop for 15mins, then go again
Cork just hit a goal, they shouldn't even be close in this game
some f**king goal
Better than the first game, great viewing!
What would the average age of this Clare side be??
That long run from that cork goalkeeper had to backfire sooner or later, you should only be fit to go a metre or 2 by the point you lifted it until you make contact
Best team won the All Ireland well done Clare.
Davie Fitz not wise in the willie frasier mode lol
Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant.
Great stuff. Clare showed some character to come back
A brilliant game well done to both teams!!! Delighted for little fitz :):) watch out the cats.......maybe!!
what a match! delighted for clare.
Take the mic off him.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 28, 2013, 06:40:22 PM
Take the mic off him.
Like I said,speeches should be scraped. Lift the trophy and get on with it.
Well done Clare.
Thought they had lost theur way completely after half time but the Cork equaliser seemed to liberate them.
Great to see the small Counties winning things.
Fantastic game...well done Clare and hard luck Cork.
That was another fantastic game, having watched our footballers win another County Championship earlier I had to tape it and not turn any media on so I could watch the match 'live'. Clare let Cork back in last week and nearly did the same today but Cork never got their noses in front.
The fitness levels of both teams must be seriously high as they never relented the whole match. This Clare team could stay at the top or like that great Tipp team we thought was going to do well fall away, somehow I doubt Fitz will let that happen, it was noticeable as Liam Sheedy said that this team has a great camaraderie about them, probably something Tipp didn't have
Was there a SG hurling team of the year?
Quote from: blanketattack on September 28, 2013, 10:44:48 PM
Was there a SG hurling team of the year?
They are doing it tomorrow night
Clare were worthy winners of a spectacular game. Absolutely rivetting fare from start to finish.
It was a great game from both teams. 8-32 scored between both teams. That Clare team are still very young and were able to spring talent from the bench like Seadna Morey and Darach Honan late in the game to help win the game.
They could/should win the all Ireland a couple more times before they are finished.
Cracking game. Congrats to Clare, worthy winners.
Fantastic game. Clare deserved winners although Cork get great credit for not giving up. One thing that was missing from this years hurling championship was goals up to the final and we got 8 today. Great end to a great hurling year.
I doesn't get much better than that. Delighted for Clare. Thoroughly deserved.
Great win for Clare and well deserved. Think people are letting all the goals and the emotion overwhelm them as I feel there have been better games in this year's championship. Still great stuff though and its best year for hurling that I can remember
Fantastic victory for the Banner and a great game to watch. McGrath's goal to win it was worthy of the occasion. What an occasion to remember for Shane O'Donnell
SG team of the year:
Nash - Cork
O'Neill - Cork
Kelly - Dublin
McInerney - Clare
Bugler - Clare
Rushe - Dublin
Donnellan - Clare
Browne - Limerick
Galvin - Clare
Harnedy - Cork
Kelly - Clare
Sutcliffe - Dublin
Collins - Clare
Horgan - Cork
McGrath - Clare
Hurler of the Year - Tony Kelly
Fantastic game played at full pelt throughout with very little if any dirty pulls the whole way through, thank god Clare managed to see it out after the year of upsets it'd be a balls if one of the big three had went on to win it.
As much as young Mcdonnell ended up with 3-3, Colin McGrath was outstanding throughout and is yet another deadly forward along with Tony Kelly, Paudge Collins etc, etc. Cork stemmed the flow from Collins but some of the others step up to the mark, very hard to counteract that.
I like the cut of Harnedy and young Lehane who I think will both be good hurlers for Cork in years to come, though JBM may have made a mistakes not starting Moylan as he did well in the first game when introduced and also got 1-1 on saturday, he's got that poachers instinct..
Being pedantic, but Honans goal should possibly have been a free out as he threw the ball in the net, I don't think he touched it when he tried to bat it in. Would have been harsh not to award it all the same.
It'll be interesting to see how a rejuvenated Kilkenny fit into the new hurling landscape, will they go with the tried and tested big ball winners in the forwards or adopt a more measured approach in their build up??
Quote from: johnneycool on September 30, 2013, 09:09:33 AM
Fantastic game played at full pelt throughout with very little if any dirty pulls the whole way through, thank god Clare managed to see it out after the year of upsets it'd be a balls if one of the big three had went on to win it.
As much as young Mcdonnell ended up with 3-3, Colin McGrath was outstanding throughout and is yet another deadly forward along with Tony Kelly, Paudge Collins etc, etc. Cork stemmed the flow from Collins but some of the others step up to the mark, very hard to counteract that.
I like the cut of Harnedy and young Lehane who I think will both be good hurlers for Cork in years to come, though JBM may have made a mistakes not starting Moylan as he did well in the first game when introduced and also got 1-1 on saturday, he's got that poachers instinct..
Being pedantic, but Honans goal should possibly have been a free out as he threw the ball in the net, I don't think he touched it when he tried to bat it in. Would have been harsh not to award it all the same.
It'll be interesting to see how a rejuvenated Kilkenny fit into the new hurling landscape, will they go with the tried and tested big ball winners in the forwards or adopt a more measured approach in their build up??
Honans goal was technically a free out, but I suppose its like saying that someone should be blown up when they toss the ball up and fail to connect with it as thats technically a throw ball. Tony Kelly seems to get 3/4 points every game and each one of them are unbelievable.
Quote from: hardstation on September 30, 2013, 09:21:27 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 30, 2013, 09:09:33 AM
Being pedantic, but Honans goal should possibly have been a free out as he threw the ball in the net, I don't think he touched it when he tried to bat it in. Would have been harsh not to award it all the same.
Being pedantic again but the goal O'Donnell scored where he batted it to the net - as he went through on goal and was running out of steps, he tried to tap it off the hurl to give him more steps. I didn't think the ball hit the stick.
I think it did, I watched it back a load of times. (Can't be 100% sure mind you)
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 30, 2013, 10:19:01 AM
Quote from: johnneycool on September 30, 2013, 09:09:33 AM
Fantastic game played at full pelt throughout with very little if any dirty pulls the whole way through, thank god Clare managed to see it out after the year of upsets it'd be a balls if one of the big three had went on to win it.
As much as young Mcdonnell ended up with 3-3, Colin McGrath was outstanding throughout and is yet another deadly forward along with Tony Kelly, Paudge Collins etc, etc. Cork stemmed the flow from Collins but some of the others step up to the mark, very hard to counteract that.
I like the cut of Harnedy and young Lehane who I think will both be good hurlers for Cork in years to come, though JBM may have made a mistakes not starting Moylan as he did well in the first game when introduced and also got 1-1 on saturday, he's got that poachers instinct..
Being pedantic, but Honans goal should possibly have been a free out as he threw the ball in the net, I don't think he touched it when he tried to bat it in. Would have been harsh not to award it all the same.
It'll be interesting to see how a rejuvenated Kilkenny fit into the new hurling landscape, will they go with the tried and tested big ball winners in the forwards or adopt a more measured approach in their build up??
Honans goal was technically a free out, but I suppose its like saying that someone should be blown up when they toss the ball up and fail to connect with it as thats technically a throw ball.
Very true
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 30, 2013, 10:19:01 AM
Tony Kelly seems to get 3/4 points every game and each one of them are unbelievable.
His movement and ability to change direction onto either side make it near on impossible to stop him. He was surrounded by three cork defenders, a quick change of direction and a wristy stroke off his left side and the ball was sailing over the bar, soul destroying for the Cork defenders.
Great to see a non old firm county win the thing. First time since 98. Way too long.
5 more years of the same would be great.
Where can I get this MiWadi stuff Davy was giving the Clare players? It's all over the press.
Must be some stuff, I think I'll have to change from the Quosh.
I know I might be looking at things through Minor-tinted glasses, but it's been just the most fabulous year for hurling. Well done Clare and Davy for capping that year with a win for the little guy (pun unintended).
It's been the best i can ever remember... The two finals where you just had no idea what was going to happen next when it got right down to the wire in the last ten were unbelievable but there were many other matches that were superb too.
I find it hard to believe that kilkenny have gone too. Seeing what cody has up his sleeve for next year should be very interesting
Antrim getting to ai u21 final great from an antrim perspective too obviously..
Thought the same about the Honan goal in real time, but its over now lets not focus on negatives.
What a year, I must look back but I called it as a great year from very early on, hurling the real winner. The amount of young ones that will pick up sticks after this year has probably doubled at least which is great news for the future.
Really hope the weaker counties have promoted this well. If every team aims to move up one level from where they are currently playing at then it will be an even healthier sport.
This tapping the ball on the stick while still holding on to the ball is a free, I've noticed this a lot this year and has even found its way into club games. First time I seen it was about 3 years ago, I blew for over carrying and the Johnnies lad said he'd tapped it on the stick, ball needs to leave your hand surely?
A lot of instances in Sat's game of this, very hard for the referee to spot depending on his positioning but gives the player an extra 4 steps while still having possession and less chance of fumbling the ball
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on September 30, 2013, 07:32:50 PM
This tapping the ball on the stick while still holding on to the ball is a free, I've noticed this a lot this year and has even found its way into club games. First time I seen it was about 3 years ago, I blew for over carrying and the Johnnies lad said he'd tapped it on the stick, ball needs to leave your hand surely?
A lot of instances in Sat's game of this, very hard for the referee to spot depending on his positioning but gives the player an extra 4 steps while still having possession and less chance of fumbling the ball
Just watched O'Donnells 3rd goal on GAA 2013 and the ball definitely left his hand momentarily so no free for that in my opinion.
Very difficult for a ref to spot it from 20/30 yards away as you say.
Highlights there on TG4 showed Honan made contact with the stick albeit poor.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 30, 2013, 08:46:56 PM
Highlights there on TG4 showed Honan made contact with the stick albeit poor.
Also, the reason he wasn't able to make clean contact was because he was taken down by a 2 footed lunge by Nash so if the goal was disallowed it would have been a definite penalty which would have used up the rest of the clock and put 2 scores between the sides.
Quote from: Tony Baloney on September 30, 2013, 08:46:56 PM
Highlights there on TG4 showed Honan made contact with the stick albeit poor.
I must have watched it on HD half a dozen times and I could see no contact whatsoever. Ball didn't seem to take any deviation in flight at all after he threw it.
That said it was immaterial as time was up after the puck out anyway.
Going to get a doing over this but here it goes......
A great year for hurling, emergence of new teams to win All Ireland, Munster title and Leinster title, exciting games, provoked great interest among the GAA populace and further afield yet one game apart I felt some of the quality was well down on preceding years although it will prove a terribly unpopular thing to say.
The Dublin Cork game and the Dublin Kilkenny clashes apart I thought the excitement totally glossed over the standards of other years.
The hype over the Waterford/Kilkenny game, the Kilkenny/Tipperary game and the drawn All Ireland Final belie the poor standards on the day. The Kilkenny/Waterford game was terrible stuff until Kevin Moran's heroics in the last 10 minutes and the goals in extra time.
The Kilkenny/Tipp game was built around the return of Henry and the novelty of capacity crowd to see Kilkenny on the verge of knockout. Terrible wides, handling errors and constant rucking.
The first 50 minutes of the drawn All Ireland was poor stuff. Particularly from Cork. Again the basic skills in terms of touch and the basics were very poor.
Hard to pick out any other quality high points this year bar the Limerick Tipp game. Both provincial finals were damp squibs taking out the novelty of emerging winners. Both Q/F's were not much better and the Limerick Clare semi-final was a huge letdown.
I probably come from the 'hurling man' side of things but I do feel this years incessant need to brag about the worlds greatest game on the back of excitement over quality this year a little galling.
Agree with Belleaqua a fair bit.
Firstly, congrats to Clare, by far the best team in the land and worthy winners. Delighted for them.
Truth be told that Cork team imvho were the worst Cork team I have seen to make an AIF and they could have won it. That team has heart and guts in spades and I really respect them for that.
Their first touch over both games though was imvho very poor and Clare's was top notch. Clare imvho should have won both games by over 8 points but didn't because of Cork's heart. JBM is a top manager .
In fairness I am comparing the present team to some of the best hurlers ever to play the game and don't mean to be too snidey.
Sliotar is far too light and small for the modern hurler and has to be changed. Players wristily flicking it over the bar from the half way line is just not right imho again.
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
Going to get a doing over this but here it goes......
A great year for hurling, emergence of new teams to win All Ireland, Munster title and Leinster title, exciting games, provoked great interest among the GAA populace and further afield yet one game apart I felt some of the quality was well down on preceding years although it will prove a terribly unpopular thing to say.
The Dublin Cork game and the Dublin Kilkenny clashes apart I thought the excitement totally glossed over the standards of other years.
The hype over the Waterford/Kilkenny game, the Kilkenny/Tipperary game and the drawn All Ireland Final belie the poor standards on the day. The Kilkenny/Waterford game was terrible stuff until Kevin Moran's heroics in the last 10 minutes and the goals in extra time.
The Kilkenny/Tipp game was built around the return of Henry and the novelty of capacity crowd to see Kilkenny on the verge of knockout. Terrible wides, handling errors and constant rucking.
The first 50 minutes of the drawn All Ireland was poor stuff. Particularly from Cork. Again the basic skills in terms of touch and the basics were very poor.
Hard to pick out any other quality high points this year bar the Limerick Tipp game. Both provincial finals were damp squibs taking out the novelty of emerging winners. Both Q/F's were not much better and the Limerick Clare semi-final was a huge letdown.
I probably come from the 'hurling man' side of things but I do feel this years incessant need to brag about the worlds greatest game on the back of excitement over quality this year a little galling.
It was already noted about the poor first touch and the wides that occurred in some of the games, but in terms of excitement the games this year were very good, the end to end battles were great to watch, the standard of defending, hassling closing down players would have had a lot to do with wides and bad handling, the nerves to would be a big thing that contributed to a lot of this as both the Cork and Clare team are very young this year, this will certainly get better for both teams next year, Clare have set a high standard, can't wait to see Kilkenny next year and Tipp and how they will reinvent themselves
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
Going to get a doing over this but here it goes......
You're right, you are. I could fisk the whole thing, but ultimately the money quote is this:
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
Both provincial finals were damp squibs taking out the novelty of emerging winners.
No one was saying that at the time. Everyone was delighted to see those counties winning. Taking your piece as a whole, I think you are determined to set yourself up as someone who values the purity of the game above all else. A hurling man, if you will. What that makes the rest of us, I don't know.
Quote from: Canalman on October 01, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
Sliotar is far too light and small for the modern hurler and has to be changed. Players wristily flicking it over the bar from the half way line is just not right imho again.
What are ye talking about man? :o Just because you needed to be inside the 21 doesnt make it "not right" for highly skilled stick men like TK to put them over short stick from 60ms out
More scores in open play from more areas of the pitch, keeps the game spread out and a much better spectacle. Little chance to plant feet any more. Sure narrow the pitch while your at it :D
Quote from: theskull1 on October 01, 2013, 09:55:38 AM
Quote from: Canalman on October 01, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
Sliotar is far too light and small for the modern hurler and has to be changed. Players wristily flicking it over the bar from the half way line is just not right imho again.
What are ye talking about man? :o Just because you needed to be inside the 21 doesnt make it "not right" for highly skilled stick men like TK to put them over short stick from 60ms out
More scores in open play from more areas of the pitch, keeps the game spread out and a much better spectacle. Little chance to plant feet any more. Sure narrow the pitch while your at it :D
Just my opinion. We'll agree to differ so.
Quote from: Canalman on October 01, 2013, 10:11:34 AM
Just my opinion. We'll agree to differ so.
I know its your opinion and I'm debating that opinion. I'd love to know would you be happy with a smaller scoring area as a result of the ball being made heavier?
BTW..for some reason I thought that Milltown posted these comments...hence my over familiar response (that may have came across as cheeky to you). Point still stands though
The real winner on Saturday was hurling. I'm no great fan of Cork but I remember JBM as a classy hurler, however his character and conduct in the face of defeat was magnificent as was his response after the drawn game. The result and the excitement once again puts what we call football in the shade.
Quote from: deiseach on October 01, 2013, 09:47:14 AM
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
Going to get a doing over this but here it goes......
You're right, you are. I could fisk the whole thing, but ultimately the money quote is this:
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 01:42:55 AM
Both provincial finals were damp squibs taking out the novelty of emerging winners.
No one was saying that at the time. Everyone was delighted to see those counties winning. Taking your piece as a whole, I think you are determined to set yourself up as someone who values the purity of the game above all else. A hurling man, if you will. What that makes the rest of us, I don't know.
Not sure what that language is.
Regarding not saying it at the time I walked out of the Leinster Final thinking Galway were atrocious but obviously delighted for Dublin who were superb in all aspects of the game. It was a very poor final.
The Munster Final was a huge disappointment mainly because of the referees decision on Horgan.
My point from the start was that it was a hugely exciting novel year for hurling but lots of goals and exciting moments does not mask some of the drop in standards in terms of quality. Ultimately Kilkenny have come back to the pack rather than the rest catching up.
Disagree - in the drawn AIF we saw two of the best scores ever seen in championship hurling in Lehane's goal and Collins' point. Conor Ryan also gave an exhibition of fielding. This is in the midst of a game where the tackling was more ferocious than anything I've seen in previous championships.
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 06:37:32 PM
My point from the start was that it was a hugely exciting novel year for hurling but lots of goals and exciting moments does not mask some of the drop in standards in terms of quality. Ultimately Kilkenny have come back to the pack rather than the rest catching up.
Strange, I think the opposite. Clare, Cork, Limerick and Dublin made huge improvements this year. Klikenny, Galway and Tipp went backwards a bit but overall the standard was much higher and we saw the emergence of so many new stars, playing with speed and skill levels that I think are better than I've seen before.
I thought Kilkenny were average enough last year but no team was good enough to stop them. In the few years before that, it was just Kilkenny and Tipp that were hurling at a very high standard.
In the 2011 championship Galway hammered Clare and Cork by 17 and 12 points respectively, with much the same personnel that are still available to us. Now we'd struggle to give either side a game, such is the progress they've made.
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 02, 2013, 08:44:44 AM
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 06:37:32 PM
My point from the start was that it was a hugely exciting novel year for hurling but lots of goals and exciting moments does not mask some of the drop in standards in terms of quality. Ultimately Kilkenny have come back to the pack rather than the rest catching up.
Strange, I think the opposite. Clare, Cork, Limerick and Dublin made huge improvements this year. Klikenny, Galway and Tipp went backwards a bit but overall the standard was much higher and we saw the emergence of so many new stars, playing with speed and skill levels that I think are better than I've seen before.
I thought Kilkenny were average enough last year but no team was good enough to stop them. In the few years before that, it was just Kilkenny and Tipp that were hurling at a very high standard.
In the 2011 championship Galway hammered Clare and Cork by 17 and 12 points respectively, with much the same personnel that are still available to us. Now we'd struggle to give either side a game, such is the progress they've made.
If Galway could introduce some tactical variation into their game they'd be a match for anyone .
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 02, 2013, 08:44:44 AM
Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 06:37:32 PM
My point from the start was that it was a hugely exciting novel year for hurling but lots of goals and exciting moments does not mask some of the drop in standards in terms of quality. Ultimately Kilkenny have come back to the pack rather than the rest catching up.
Strange, I think the opposite. Clare, Cork, Limerick and Dublin made huge improvements this year. Klikenny, Galway and Tipp went backwards a bit but overall the standard was much higher and we saw the emergence of so many new stars, playing with speed and skill levels that I think are better than I've seen before.
I thought Kilkenny were average enough last year but no team was good enough to stop them. In the few years before that, it was just Kilkenny and Tipp that were hurling at a very high standard.
In the 2011 championship Galway hammered Clare and Cork by 17 and 12 points respectively, with much the same personnel that are still available to us. Now we'd struggle to give either side a game, such is the progress they've made.
If Galway could introduce some tactical variation into their game they'd be a match for anyone .
Would agree a fair bit about your comment on Galway.
One year they will go with wristy and skilfull hurlers and lose.............. get hammered by the fans for being "too windy" Next year (such as 2012/3) go for giants and lose................ get hammered by the fans for being "donkeys and not skilful enough". Then the circle begins again........ manager changes and 6 or 7 dropped from the panel etc.
Have said this before but Galway's major problem is that they are producing very well balanced underage teams and winning AIs as a result but not producing the one or two "star" players each year on those same teams.
An enigma of a county though.
Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
If Galway could introduce some tactical variation into their game they'd be a match for anyone .
Well hopefully we've all learned that putting Joe at full-forward and lumping high balls into him is not a game plan. And that we'll win nothing unless we inject some pace and energy into that team. It won't be easy for Anthony Cunningham though. Outside of Canning and Hayes(who's getting on a bit), there's not much to work with.
Quote from: Canalman on October 02, 2013, 10:10:03 AM
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Quote from: Asal Mor on October 02, 2013, 08:44:44 AM
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My point from the start was that it was a hugely exciting novel year for hurling but lots of goals and exciting moments does not mask some of the drop in standards in terms of quality. Ultimately Kilkenny have come back to the pack rather than the rest catching up.
Strange, I think the opposite. Clare, Cork, Limerick and Dublin made huge improvements this year. Klikenny, Galway and Tipp went backwards a bit but overall the standard was much higher and we saw the emergence of so many new stars, playing with speed and skill levels that I think are better than I've seen before.
I thought Kilkenny were average enough last year but no team was good enough to stop them. In the few years before that, it was just Kilkenny and Tipp that were hurling at a very high standard.
In the 2011 championship Galway hammered Clare and Cork by 17 and 12 points respectively, with much the same personnel that are still available to us. Now we'd struggle to give either side a game, such is the progress they've made.
If Galway could introduce some tactical variation into their game they'd be a match for anyone .
Would agree a fair bit about your comment on Galway.
One year they will go with wristy and skilfull hurlers and lose.............. get hammered by the fans for being "too windy" Next year (such as 2012/3) go for giants and lose................ get hammered by the fans for being "donkeys and not skilful enough". Then the circle begins again........ manager changes and 6 or 7 dropped from the panel etc.
Have said this before but Galway's major problem is that they are producing very well balanced underage teams and winning AIs as a result but not producing the one or two "star" players each year on those same teams.
An enigma of a county though.
I think the lack of games at underage is not helping Galway hurling rather than a lack of actual talent. In 2011, Galway beat Clare in an All-Ireland minor semi-final. Clare had Tony Kelly, Colm Galvin, Shane O'Donnell, etc and a few other lads who are on the current Clare panel. The two best players on the field that day were Padraig Brehony and Shane Maloney for Galway, yet both lads have struggled to make any impact for Galway at senior level. Now both are still very young and you wouldn't write them off yet but they just haven't developed like the Clare lads have whether this is down to coaching or the fact that the Clare lads have gone through a number of tough Munster championships at both minor and U-21 level since and the gametime alone has brought them on a ton.
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Quote from: Canalman on October 02, 2013, 10:10:03 AM
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Quote from: belleaqua on October 01, 2013, 06:37:32 PM
My point from the start was that it was a hugely exciting novel year for hurling but lots of goals and exciting moments does not mask some of the drop in standards in terms of quality. Ultimately Kilkenny have come back to the pack rather than the rest catching up.
Strange, I think the opposite. Clare, Cork, Limerick and Dublin made huge improvements this year. Klikenny, Galway and Tipp went backwards a bit but overall the standard was much higher and we saw the emergence of so many new stars, playing with speed and skill levels that I think are better than I've seen before.
I thought Kilkenny were average enough last year but no team was good enough to stop them. In the few years before that, it was just Kilkenny and Tipp that were hurling at a very high standard.
In the 2011 championship Galway hammered Clare and Cork by 17 and 12 points respectively, with much the same personnel that are still available to us. Now we'd struggle to give either side a game, such is the progress they've made.
If Galway could introduce some tactical variation into their game they'd be a match for anyone .
Would agree a fair bit about your comment on Galway.
One year they will go with wristy and skilfull hurlers and lose.............. get hammered by the fans for being "too windy" Next year (such as 2012/3) go for giants and lose................ get hammered by the fans for being "donkeys and not skilful enough". Then the circle begins again........ manager changes and 6 or 7 dropped from the panel etc.
Have said this before but Galway's major problem is that they are producing very well balanced underage teams and winning AIs as a result but not producing the one or two "star" players each year on those same teams.
An enigma of a county though.
I think the lack of games at underage is not helping Galway hurling rather than a lack of actual talent. In 2011, Galway beat Clare in an All-Ireland minor semi-final. Clare had Tony Kelly, Colm Galvin, Shane O'Donnell, etc and a few other lads who are on the current Clare panel. The two best players on the field that day were Padraig Brehony and Shane Maloney for Galway, yet both lads have struggled to make any impact for Galway at senior level. Now both are still very young and you wouldn't write them off yet but they just haven't developed like the Clare lads have whether this is down to coaching or the fact that the Clare lads have gone through a number of tough Munster championships at both minor and U-21 level since and the gametime alone has brought them on a ton.
Agreed.
Strongly believe that Galway going into Leinster at underage level is essential to progress at Senior. Important in so many ways not least continuous steady development. It will come at the expense of a couple of underage All Ireland's as we have had the advantages of timing our run every year and lining up the opposition from way out. Not a true reflection overall.
Furthermore it will take the hype away from nearly every minor team we produce and reduce pressure. If they are good enough they will win it the hard way and if not lads off those teams will still come through under the radar so to speak.
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Quote from: seafoid on October 02, 2013, 09:29:58 AM
If Galway could introduce some tactical variation into their game they'd be a match for anyone .
Well hopefully we've all learned that putting Joe at full-forward and lumping high balls into him is not a game plan. And that we'll win nothing unless we inject some pace and energy into that team. It won't be easy for Anthony Cunningham though. Outside of Canning and Hayes(who's getting on a bit), there's not much to work with.
6 all stars last year.
There are loads of good hurlers in Galway. The problem is developing a system that will bring them on.
And then thinking tactically in the matches they play.
I agree 100% about going into Leinster at underage. I'm not sure if that's the reason these lads aren't coming through but it certainly wouldn't hurt and at the very least would give them and everyone else a more realistic notion of how good they are. I think that the hurling board being skint is probably the biggest obstacle but when you see money being frittered away on GPS bras for the seniors you'd think it might be better spent sending our young lads off to Nowlan Park for a tough game.
Next year will tell us a lot seafoid. I hope you're right and I'm wrong but I don't expect it to be any better than this one. I'm aware that Galway hurling fans are known for being ultra-negative, but in fairness 9 times out of 10 that negativity has proven to be spot on. Anyway, Gaillimh abu. :)
Quote from: Asal Mor on October 02, 2013, 05:56:04 PM
I agree 100% about going into Leinster at underage. I'm not sure if that's the reason these lads aren't coming through but it certainly wouldn't hurt and at the very least would give them and everyone else a more realistic notion of how good they are. I think that the hurling board being skint is probably the biggest obstacle but when you see money being frittered away on GPS bras for the seniors you'd think it might be better spent sending our young lads off to Nowlan Park for a tough game.
Next year will tell us a lot seafoid. I hope you're right and I'm wrong but I don't expect it to be any better than this one. I'm aware that Galway hurling fans are known for being ultra-negative, but in fairness 9 times out of 10 that negativity has proven to be spot on. Anyway, Gaillimh abu. :)
They should be there or thereabouts Asal. Obviously this year was a joke but if they had a bit of tactical nous they could have beaten Clare.
Davy was the hero back in September 2013 and it seems to be going a bit sour now. All not well apparently. Clare need a few decent results soon.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2015/0312/686673-league-weekend-all-the-hurling-action-previewed/
You have to go back to 30 March 2014 for Clare's last competitive win in senior hurling. That was against Laois in the Division 1 quarter-final. The Banner have played seven matches since and have yet to emerge victorious.
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-hurler-humiliated-by-double-standard-treatment-1.2139431
All not well indeed
Always a cert with Davy for things like this to happen. The LIT days and the way he sent Waterford out for the '08 final laid out what type of manager he was going to be.
Big decisions to be made in Clare. With such success at underage over the last few years, it'd be a travesty if they pissed it all away.
Quote from: gallsman on March 14, 2015, 10:28:05 AM
Always a cert with Davy for things like this to happen. The LIT days and the way he sent Waterford out for the '08 final laid out what type of manager he was going to be.
Big decisions to be made in Clare. With such success at underage over the last few years, it'd be a travesty if they pissed it all away.
Daly could take over. Sounds like DF brings the wrong energy.
Quote from: Kidder81 on March 14, 2015, 09:46:47 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-hurler-humiliated-by-double-standard-treatment-1.2139431
All not well indeed
Davy is a certifiable loon. One lucky All Ireland doesn't change that!
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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/clare-hurler-humiliated-by-double-standard-treatment-1.2139431
All not well indeed
Davy is a certifiable loon. One lucky All Ireland doesn't change that!
Correct, just ask Babs Keating albeit he rode his luck and the rule book to two AI's..
With Davy's da being the full time secretary it'll take a monumental shift to move Davy out of that position..
Heard Parkinson on newstalk saying the GPA are investigating this thing in Clare - if these guys are no longer on the county panel, surely the GPA no longer represents them??
This story is really sickening. It is very , very hard for anyone in a county to pursue such an issue without damaging the county team and Fitz is using this. Young players are being punished unreasonably and nobody can say anything. It really sucks.
Clare hurling does not need this.
It is a complete contrast to the Shefflin story - glory and unique talent versus something very dark
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 09:00:47 PM
Heard Parkinson on newstalk saying the GPA are investigating this thing in Clare - if these guys are no longer on the county panel, surely the GPA no longer represents them??
So if you are fired your union can no longer represent you?
E.G by comparison, say you are a train driver in the train drivers' union?
Quote from: muppet on March 25, 2015, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 09:00:47 PM
Heard Parkinson on newstalk saying the GPA are investigating this thing in Clare - if these guys are no longer on the county panel, surely the GPA no longer represents them??
So if you are fired your union can no longer represent you?
E.G by comparison, say you are a train driver in the train drivers' union?
Completely different situation considering you pay into a union. Not to mention that employees have the legal right of redress, players do not.
Was just wondering where is the line between players who are and are not represented by the GPA lies? If you're dropped off a panel because the manager doesn't think you're good enough, are you still a GPA member? If you're in for the January tournaments / league and out for the league / championship, are you still a GPA member??
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Quote from: muppet on March 25, 2015, 12:52:09 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on March 16, 2015, 09:00:47 PM
Heard Parkinson on newstalk saying the GPA are investigating this thing in Clare - if these guys are no longer on the county panel, surely the GPA no longer represents them??
So if you are fired your union can no longer represent you?
E.G by comparison, say you are a train driver in the train drivers' union?
Completely different situation considering you pay into a union. Not to mention that employees have the legal right of redress, players do not.
Was just wondering where is the line between players who are and are not represented by the GPA lies? If you're dropped off a panel because the manager doesn't think you're good enough, are you still a GPA member? If you're in for the January tournaments / league and out for the league / championship, are you still a GPA member??
You have already made an assumption on this based on your original statement: "if these guys are no longer on the county panel, surely the GPA no longer represents them??"
If your representative body didn't represent you in a row, following a disciplinary process which you dispute, it wouldn't be worth spitting on. If the players want the GPA involved to represent them in a dispute, then it has to get involved. Otherwise it should disband.
You are eligible to join the GPA when you become an inter county player. Your membership is not revoked when you stop playing, or are dropped. Otherwise Donal Óg, Dessie and the others wouldn't be members any more.
Quote from: AZOffaly on March 25, 2015, 01:43:44 PM
You are eligible to join the GPA when you become an inter county player. Your membership is not revoked when you stop playing, or are dropped. Otherwise Donal Óg, Dessie and the others wouldn't be members any more.
That's what I was wondering - so once you're a member you remain a member
I think you have to pay €50 subs every year to be in it, so I suppose if you weren't getting the benefits of membership because you're no longer playing, you might question the value for €50. I presume these lads have their subs paid for 2015 at least.
The GPA is for the weaker counties in fairness! The sort of person who wants to join it is usually a whinger and an excuse maker rather than a winner.
Quote from: Premier Emperor on March 27, 2015, 09:40:41 AM
The GPA is for the weaker counties in fairness! The sort of person who wants to join it is usually a whinger and an excuse maker rather than a winner.
Tipp players then :P