Back to basics......
Starts 4 weeks Friday, the transfer market should spring into life a bit now that the circus of the Euros is over.
Obviously Liverpool to romp to a 20 point win with Big Virg back in the saddle.
Bring it on.
Quote from: Boycey on July 12, 2021, 09:51:22 AM
Back to basics......
Starts 4 weeks Friday, the transfer market should spring into life a bit now that the circus of the Euros is over.
Obviously Liverpool to romp to a 20 point win with Big Virg back in the saddle.
Bring it on.
Good to know you accept what's gonna happen ;). In all seriousness though really looking forward to this season. What happens transfer wise over the next few weeks will determine where things go. I think it will be a very close season. City will strengthen, United will add to Sancho, Chelsea will strengthen, I hope LFC will get at least 1 more player in. How players recover from the Euros will be very important. No predictions at this stage.
How many Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Chelsea, etc players had intensive Euro / Copa campaigns.
That's going to play are part in the league aswell
Quote from: Kickham csc on July 12, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
How many Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Chelsea, etc players had intensive Euro / Copa campaigns.
That's going to play are part in the league aswell
Think Rashford should be going for his surgery now as well so he will have a delayed start to the season
Quote from: Nanderson on July 12, 2021, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: Kickham csc on July 12, 2021, 05:23:34 PM
How many Liverpool, Man U, Man C, Chelsea, etc players had intensive Euro / Copa campaigns.
That's going to play are part in the league aswell
Think Rashford should be going for his surgery now as well so he will have a delayed start to the season
Hopefully he gets it and gets himself back to 100%. Sancho coming in will lessen the load, plus Greenwood has another year under his belt and a summer off so expect big things from him. And Martial if he stays couldnt be as bad as he was last season.
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
And if Kane and Grealish are signed by Pep?
I do think the winners will have to hit the mid-90s in terms of points.
Quote from: J70 on July 16, 2021, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
And if Kane and Grealish are signed by Pep?
I do think the winners will have to hit the mid-90s in terms of points.
Couldn't see Pep signing both but possibly one of them. You are correct there is no doubt both of them are serious losses to their clubs and serious gains for City. However, I can't see Kane moving away this year but Grealish probably will. I thought Villa were formidable enough last year in his absence. Early days yet but.
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
Liverpools league title to lose and so long as they don't lose it 2nd, 3rd should be a battle between Chelsea and Manchester City.
4th spot likely decided on the final day with Leicester, Manchester United, Everton and Tottenham hoping to grab it.
Relegation Watford, Norwich and Crystal Palace I think.
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
Which United? There are 4 of them in the league.
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 16, 2021, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
And if Kane and Grealish are signed by Pep?
I do think the winners will have to hit the mid-90s in terms of points.
Couldn't see Pep signing both but possibly one of them. You are correct there is no doubt both of them are serious losses to their clubs and serious gains for City. However, I can't see Kane moving away this year but Grealish probably will. I thought Villa were formidable enough last year in his absence. Early days yet but.
Supposedly Pep wants them both, if Villa and Spurs agree to sell.
But who knows what will end up happening?
https://theathletic.com/2706821/2021/07/15/manchester-city-transfers-champions-determined-to-sign-both-kane-and-grealish/ (https://theathletic.com/2706821/2021/07/15/manchester-city-transfers-champions-determined-to-sign-both-kane-and-grealish/)
Quote from: J70 on July 16, 2021, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 16, 2021, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
And if Kane and Grealish are signed by Pep?
I do think the winners will have to hit the mid-90s in terms of points.
Couldn't see Pep signing both but possibly one of them. You are correct there is no doubt both of them are serious losses to their clubs and serious gains for City. However, I can't see Kane moving away this year but Grealish probably will. I thought Villa were formidable enough last year in his absence. Early days yet but.
Supposedly Pep wants them both, if Villa and Spurs agree to sell.
But who knows what will end up happening?
https://theathletic.com/2706821/2021/07/15/manchester-city-transfers-champions-determined-to-sign-both-kane-and-grealish/ (https://theathletic.com/2706821/2021/07/15/manchester-city-transfers-champions-determined-to-sign-both-kane-and-grealish/)
That article covers every single base possible. It's quite clear the author hasn't a notion what is going on. But I guess saying that won't sell subscriptions. City can want them all they want but they have 3 (Kane) and 4 (Grealish) years left on their contracts. Levy never lets his players go easy, and Villa('s owners) are so wealthy that they simply don't need the cash.
Quote from: shark on July 16, 2021, 03:07:56 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 16, 2021, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:57:28 PM
Quote from: J70 on July 16, 2021, 01:54:36 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
And if Kane and Grealish are signed by Pep?
Seen a few videos doing the rounds on whatsapp of Jack Grealish off his head on drugs with which looked like coke on his nose. I hope he can nip this craic in the bud as he has high expectations next season
I do think the winners will have to hit the mid-90s in terms of points.
Couldn't see Pep signing both but possibly one of them. You are correct there is no doubt both of them are serious losses to their clubs and serious gains for City. However, I can't see Kane moving away this year but Grealish probably will. I thought Villa were formidable enough last year in his absence. Early days yet but.
Supposedly Pep wants them both, if Villa and Spurs agree to sell.
But who knows what will end up happening?
https://theathletic.com/2706821/2021/07/15/manchester-city-transfers-champions-determined-to-sign-both-kane-and-grealish/ (https://theathletic.com/2706821/2021/07/15/manchester-city-transfers-champions-determined-to-sign-both-kane-and-grealish/)
That article covers every single base possible. It's quite clear the author hasn't a notion what is going on. But I guess saying that won't sell subscriptions. City can want them all they want but they have 3 (Kane) and 4 (Grealish) years left on their contracts. Levy never lets his players go easy, and Villa('s owners) are so wealthy that they simply don't need the cash.
Quote from: laoislad on July 16, 2021, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
Which United? There are 4 of them in the league.
As long as people makes comments like this there will always be only one Utd... :)
Quote from: Boycey on July 16, 2021, 05:31:03 PM
Quote from: laoislad on July 16, 2021, 02:09:19 PM
Quote from: AnGaelGearmanach on July 16, 2021, 01:52:41 PM
Anybody any bold predictions? I think Leeds will suffer a strong case of second season syndrome and be fighting for survival. I also believe Aston Villa will push into the top 7 or so and will be pushing for Europa League football. Fancy United/Liverpool to dethrone City.
Which United? There are 4 of them in the league.
As long as people makes comments like this there will always be only one Utd... :)
Fanad Utd, hearty men who wear 90mins of ferocious North Atlantic wind-burn as a badge of honour.
Based on Liverpool getting their main player back they should be top spot. As that was the reason for last season.
City second as it's tough to win two in a row, Liverpool proved that as did Leicester and Blackburn
Chelsea will defo push City all the way for second but lose or draw the big four games, that'll hamper them.
Utd, Leicester Arsenal and a surprise team will battle for 4th
Three way battle this season for the title between United, City and Liverpool. Don't see why Chelsea would be in the conversation, they will float around 4th or 5th.
United haven't a hope of challenging for the league. The Europa 'league' maybe
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 16, 2021, 08:47:41 PM
Three way battle this season for the title between United, City and Liverpool. Don't see why Chelsea would be in the conversation, they will float around 4th or 5th.
Utd not in contention, something missing, need to win home games against top four and beat those lower end teams home away
Would've thought top 4 would be city, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd but who knows how future transfera, injuries etc will affect this.
Tough for Spurs, Arsenal and any of the rest breaking into the top 4.
Quote from: gawa316 on July 17, 2021, 07:21:33 AM
Would've thought top 4 would be city, Liverpool, Chelsea, Utd but who knows how future transfera, injuries etc will affect this.
Tough for Spurs, Arsenal and any of the rest breaking into the top 4.
Which Utd ;)?
Cole >>>>> Scholes btw.
Never forget
If Varane were to sign for Utd, I would see no reason why they shouldn't be challenging for the league. Whether he signs or not is a different story, all the talk at the minute sounds good but Utd have been here before with CBs from Madrid.
According to The Athletic on 15th July, Marko Grujic, Harry Wilson, Nat Phillips, Neco Williams, Sheyi Ojo, Loris Karius, Divock Origi, Xherdan Shaqiri and Taiwo Awoniyi are all surplus to requirements.
Liverpool ditching fringe players, should free up money for some decent signings
Harry Wilson, Nat Phillips, Neco Williams all decent players IMHO
Been tryin for around 3yrs to get rid of some of these boys tho...
Id keep big Nat without a doubt
Throwing some bait out there Milltown and no bites yet....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on July 17, 2021, 06:17:23 PM
Throwing some bait out there Milltown and no bites yet....
Thought I was very good with those baits
Joe Cole returning ;)
Quote from: Rich Ricci on July 17, 2021, 09:41:57 AM
If Varane were to sign for Utd, I would see no reason why they shouldn't be challenging for the league. Whether he signs or not is a different story, all the talk at the minute sounds good but Utd have been here before with CBs from Madrid.
Can think of a few reasons manu won't challenge. Ole being one.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 16, 2021, 07:30:43 PM
Based on Liverpool getting their main player back they should be top spot. As that was the reason for last season.
City second as it's tough to win two in a row, Liverpool proved that as did Leicester and Blackburn
Chelsea will defo push City all the way for second but lose or draw the big four games, that'll hamper them.
Utd, Leicester Arsenal and a surprise team will battle for 4th
Two in a row isn't that hard to do. In fact, it has been done on 6 occasions in the Premier League era. Three in a row being done twice. Leicester and Blackburn were deserved victors but never stood a chance to win 2 in a row whilst Liverpool last year were hit hard by injuries.
I see Man Utd's friendly with Preston was called off tonight due to positive cases. With the rising cases across the UK and large number of people being deemed as close contacts I hope this season isn't destroyed by postponements and unavailability of players.
Quote from: Rich Ricci on July 29, 2021, 10:14:02 PM
I see Man Utd's friendly with Preston was called off tonight due to positive cases. With the rising cases across the UK and large number of people being deemed as close contacts I hope this season isn't destroyed by postponements and unavailability of players.
Villa v Forest off too because of Covid in the forest camp
By time the PL gets started the rules around isolating will have changed so these outbreaks will just be localised and the games wont be affected as far as I can see.
100m bid in for Grealish from City. No doubt a similar bid will come in from them for Kane. Easy to see they have no FFP concerns.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 30, 2021, 02:56:39 PM
100m bid in for Grealish from City. No doubt a similar bid will come in from them for Kane. Easy to see they have no FFP concerns.
Neither of them are worth that much IMO.
Quote from: laoislad on July 30, 2021, 03:10:14 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on July 30, 2021, 02:56:39 PM
100m bid in for Grealish from City. No doubt a similar bid will come in from them for Kane. Easy to see they have no FFP concerns.
Neither of them are worth that much IMO.
Not being smart, but what does "worth" mean? Surely it's a subjective measure. Villa would prefer to have Grealish than £100m. Their owners are stupid wealthy.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 30, 2021, 02:56:39 PM
100m bid in for Grealish from City. No doubt a similar bid will come in from them for Kane. Easy to see they have no FFP concerns.
It's all so very wrong. They already struggle to find room for England's first choice attacking midfielder left, and England's third choice attacking midfielder left. Only an organisation with extraordinary disregard for a sense of fair play would be looking to break transfer records to purchase England's second choice attacking midfielder left.
I keep hearing what a pro Harry Kane is and he is not like that at all.
Before he went to the Euros he went for a round of gold with Gary Neville and the Sky cameras! Now he is not showing up due to a gentleman's agreement that the English media can't even confirm is true.
Grealish in fairness is training away and waiting for the offer. I don't see how he is worth 100m, and if they are happy to pay that surely City should stump up for 120m or more for Kane.
Villa seem to be doing business and probably will spend the money well, but like who can Spurs get at this stage?
Aside from them Liverpool seem to be heavily reliant on Van Dijk and Gomez staying fit all year. Like there is serious mileage in their front three over the past few years.
Could United have a real push this year? Sancho and Varane are serious signings in fairness.
Looks like Grealish is going to Man City now for £100 million. He is a good player but vastly over rated in my opinion. Its the 50% tax that it seems like you have to pay for English players. Just look at the over inflated transfer fee for Harry Maguire and then look at the numbers bandied about for Kane (who admittedly is a top class striker), Rice and Phillips.
It will be interesting to see exactly where Grealish fits into the City side as he is now just one of a whole host of good players in the side as opposed to having a team built around him.
McCarthy a fantastic player when on his game though unfortunately not regular enough. I dunno if that bad injury he got has slowed him down but I think it might.
I would still maintain that the reason we beat Germany in the 2012 qualifiers was because Whelan got injured and we had to play mccarthy in the holding midfielder position. He was superb. That is in him on good day though I guess it was maybe 10 years ago.
Quote from: yellowcard on August 04, 2021, 02:52:45 PM
Looks like Grealish is going to Man City now for £100 million. He is a good player but vastly over rated in my opinion. Its the 50% tax that it seems like you have to pay for English players. Just look at the over inflated transfer fee for Harry Maguire and then look at the numbers bandied about for Kane (who admittedly is a top class striker), Rice and Phillips.
It will be interesting to see exactly where Grealish fits into the City side as he is now just one of a whole host of good players in the side as opposed to having a team built around him.
The 50% (or whatever it is) tax is there because the selling clubs don't need to sell. The clubs on the continent don't have the same level of TV/commercial income and do value the £££s. For example, if Leon Bailey was being signed from another English team then no way Villa get him for the £30m they paid Leverkusen. But for Leverkusen - it's huge money.
Quote from: lurganblue on July 30, 2021, 02:56:39 PM
100m bid in for Grealish from City. No doubt a similar bid will come in from them for Kane. Easy to see they have no FFP concerns.
Interesting explainer on FFP!!
https://www.spurs-web.com/spurs-news/finance-expert-reveals-if-man-city-can-sign-kane-and-grealish-within-ffp-rules/
Like Kane's performances add up to a 100m + player but Villa would be mad to turn down the cash on offer fro Grealish. Like I don't see how he will do much more than any of the lads at City now.
I know Ireland would be glad of him but the prices quoted for Rice are nuts too.
I think City would need Kane more then Grealish. They have lots of playmaker types but Grealish will obviously be a good player to have.
Is Grealish really going to make City any better than they already are? I don't think so.
As a Liverpool fan who wants to see Liverpool win the League and with City being one of Liverpool's rivals for that league, I'm not overly bothered about them buying Grealish.
I think Man United have done better business that would have me more concerned as much as it pains me to say.
Quote from: laoislad on August 04, 2021, 06:22:36 PM
Is Grealish really going to make City any better than they already are? I don't think so.
As a Liverpool fan who wants to see Liverpool win the League and with City being one of Liverpool's rivals for that league, I'm not overly bothered about them buying Grealish.
I think Man United have done better business that would have me more concerned as much as it pains me to say.
Probably not. But he might well have made Liverpool or Utd better than they are, and now that can't happen.
Quote from: laoislad on August 04, 2021, 06:22:36 PM
Is Grealish really going to make City any better than they already are? I don't think so.
As a Liverpool fan who wants to see Liverpool win the League and with City being one of Liverpool's rivals for that league, I'm not overly bothered about them buying Grealish.
I think Man United have done better business that would have me more concerned as much as it pains me to say.
I agree. Grealish is class but is he that much of an upgrade on what they have? Not for me. They are crying out for a Kane.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on August 04, 2021, 08:32:17 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 04, 2021, 06:22:36 PM
Is Grealish really going to make City any better than they already are? I don't think so.
As a Liverpool fan who wants to see Liverpool win the League and with City being one of Liverpool's rivals for that league, I'm not overly bothered about them buying Grealish.
I think Man United have done better business that would have me more concerned as much as it pains me to say.
Probably not. But he might well have made Liverpool or Utd better than they are, and now that can't happen.
If that's City want to spend £100m on let them at it
Can Grealish handle no longer being a big fish in a small pond and how heavy will that price tag sit with him? Can't see them going for Kane now.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 04, 2021, 10:08:35 PM
Can Grealish handle no longer being a big fish in a small pond and how heavy will that price tag sit with him? Can't see them going for Kane now.
Great result if they sign Grealish not Kane.
Grealish has the attributes of someone who is about to burst into life like Gazza in the early 90s. He has exceptional talent and drive, and the physical attributes are locking into place.
But City no more need him than they need an FFP inspection. They're stacked in left midfield. They're stacked in playmakers. He'd need to go up in production by 50% to make them 10% better.
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Re Kane.
Football is fucked. Clean fucked. That so many pundits and "general interest" fans are adamant Kane needs to win things so much, that he has to sign for the club who buys everything, is a dreadful reflection on the sport.
They seem to want city to win 5-0 each week, just to watch this "amazing" football.
Sport needs to be competitive to be fun.
Which is why FFP was put in place.
But right now it seems thats not what the people really want. Admiring collective greatness seems to be more enjoyable than watching competitive matches.
The EPL has to eat itself soon.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 04, 2021, 11:14:59 PM
Grealish has the attributes of someone who is about to burst into life like Gazza in the early 90s. He has exceptional talent and drive, and the physical attributes are locking into place.
But City no more need him than they need an FFP inspection. They're stacked in left midfield. They're stacked in playmakers. He'd need to go up in production by 50% to make them 10% better.
——
Re Kane.
Football is fucked. Clean fucked. That so many pundits and "general interest" fans are adamant Kane needs to win things so much, that he has to sign for the club who buys everything, is a dreadful reflection on the sport.
They seem to want city to win 5-0 each week, just to watch this "amazing" football.
Sport needs to be competitive to be fun.
Which is why FFP was put in place.
But right now it seems thats not what the people really want. Admiring collective greatness seems to be more enjoyable than watching competitive matches.
The EPL has to eat itself soon.
Agree with the first sentence, but not the second. FFP was put place to reduce competitiveness. It was driven by the teams who happened to be at the top of the food chain at the time, and wanted to make sure they stayed there.
If they wanted to increase competition then they would have put in the same spending cap for every single team. But instead they said the team at the top can spend more than the teams chasing them.
Quote from: shark on August 05, 2021, 08:35:06 AM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 04, 2021, 11:14:59 PM
Grealish has the attributes of someone who is about to burst into life like Gazza in the early 90s. He has exceptional talent and drive, and the physical attributes are locking into place.
But City no more need him than they need an FFP inspection. They're stacked in left midfield. They're stacked in playmakers. He'd need to go up in production by 50% to make them 10% better.
——
Re Kane.
Football is fucked. Clean fucked. That so many pundits and "general interest" fans are adamant Kane needs to win things so much, that he has to sign for the club who buys everything, is a dreadful reflection on the sport.
They seem to want city to win 5-0 each week, just to watch this "amazing" football.
Sport needs to be competitive to be fun.
Which is why FFP was put in place.
But right now it seems thats not what the people really want. Admiring collective greatness seems to be more enjoyable than watching competitive matches.
The EPL has to eat itself soon.
Agree with the first sentence, but not the second. FFP was put place to reduce competitiveness. It was driven by the teams who happened to be at the top of the food chain at the time, and wanted to make sure they stayed there.
If they wanted to increase competition then they would have put in the same spending cap for every single team. But instead they said the team at the top can spend more than the teams chasing them.
I would be a big advocate of the use of salary caps, trades and drafts to create a level playing field. It seems to work in AFL/NFL in terms of increasing competitiveness and making sure all teams have their day. Unfortunately I think it only works in a situation where there is no international market for the top players so unlikely to work in soccer.
I'd think they should look at imposing a maximum number of full internationals at a club.
E.g say it's capped at 20. You couldn't then buy any further full international players if you've got 20+ of them already on the books. So you'd have to sell before buying. There'd be no issue having more than 20 of them. Just that you can't buy any more of them.
It's an imperfect concept I know. For example Arsenal could unearth 6 gems from their youth team which means they are looking at an awful lot of jiggerypokery in a couple of year's time to have any transfer market flexibility. But the key outcomes should be:
- it would limit the potential for the type of player hoarding that City are currently doing. It's an absolute disgrace that they've a better bench than all but maybe two starting teams in England.
- it should put an end to international managers handing out caps like confetti. It wouldn't be in a club's interests to let their erratic 19 year old prodigy gain international experience, until he's clearly ready for it.
- it could inadvertently act as a salary control tool. Chelsea would be less keen to have £200k a week substitute wingers as that type of salary means they wouldn't be able to shift such a player to make room for new blood.
- we would almost certainly see oodles of those swap deals that happen so much in Football Manager, but not in the real word. Which should see transfer fees fall.
- and within a max of 20 senior players in a squad, youth teams players will have a greater chance of breaking into a settled team, rather than being cast out into the carabou cup once a year.
Are the PL not looking into City's finances now with the expectation there will be some punishment coming from their investigation?
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
Are the PL not looking into City's finances now with the expectation there will be some punishment coming from their investigation?
Answer the PL to look at those club owners who've leveraged their debt onto the club rather than fresh money coming in with no strings attached.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
Are the PL not looking into City's finances now with the expectation there will be some punishment coming from their investigation?
What punishment though? The FA has no interest in getting into a legal spat with a club with City's resources so it will probably be a "record" fine that would not be a weeks salary bill for city plus
some sort of a suspended points deduction that will never take effect.
Bottom line is City pay the fine and move on
Quote from: johnnycool on August 05, 2021, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
Are the PL not looking into City's finances now with the expectation there will be some punishment coming from their investigation?
Answer the PL to look at those club owners who've leveraged their debt onto the club rather than fresh money coming in with no strings attached.
This would not affect City. Ironically they are so loaded they do not have to leverage the club.
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Quote from: TabClear on August 05, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 05, 2021, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
Are the PL not looking into City's finances now with the expectation there will be some punishment coming from their investigation?
Answer the PL to look at those club owners who've leveraged their debt onto the club rather than fresh money coming in with no strings attached.
This would not affect City. Ironically they are so loaded they do not have to leverage the club.
Hence Man City are in less danger of folding if the Arabs walked away.
Leeds back in the day were on the verge due to spending money they didn't have and financial rules are indeed needed.
I'd have my concerns about how Farhad Moshiri is "funding" Everton. Wonder if he's stumping up the cash himself or just borrowing cheap money on the never never!
Quote from: johnnycool on August 05, 2021, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: TabClear on August 05, 2021, 02:24:27 PM
Quote from: johnnycool on August 05, 2021, 02:21:46 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 05, 2021, 11:58:51 AM
Are the PL not looking into City's finances now with the expectation there will be some punishment coming from their investigation?
Answer the PL to look at those club owners who've leveraged their debt onto the club rather than fresh money coming in with no strings attached.
This would not affect City. Ironically they are so loaded they do not have to leverage the club.
Hence Man City are in less danger of folding if the Arabs walked away.
Leeds back in the day were on the verge due to spending money they didn't have and financial rules are indeed needed.
I'd have my concerns about how Farhad Moshiri is "funding" Everton. Wonder if he's stumping up the cash himself or just borrowing cheap money on the never never!
Exactly. While this means that the "Club" is more secure as there are no 3rd parties with charges over the assets, it creates the problem that we are seeing now in that noone can go up against them financially. If money does not matter then how can other clubs compete.
Never mind Leeds, I dont think many fans understand just how close Liverpool were to the brink under Hicks/Gillette. If they had a "yes man" chairman rather than Martin Broughton back then I have no doubt they would have been in serious difficulty, potentially into administration territory.
Yis are bonkers if ya think City wouldn't be in trouble without the Arab money.....
Messi on the move!
Harry Kane might not get the move yet.
Quote from: Boycey on August 05, 2021, 06:51:55 PM
Yis are bonkers if ya think City wouldn't be in trouble without the Arab money.....
Define trouble?
Of course if the Arabs walked away there would be a fire sale as they could nt afford the wages etc. As far as I understand it there is no debt on the club so all the sales would generate profit and while they would not be able to compete at the level they are at now, they would resettle after a period as a mid/lower table premier league team like Crystal Palace/Brighton etc and would just have to live within their means.
Quote from: Boycey on August 05, 2021, 06:51:55 PM
Yis are bonkers if ya think City wouldn't be in trouble without the Arab money.....
Wage bill would be their biggest issue I'd have thought if the Arabs pull out.
The player assets they have on their books could tide them over for a few years till that realigned.
it didn't seem to matter when Manchester united were the billy big balls with all the buying power at the inception of the CL as we know it and the wealth it brought.
The playing field was as unlevel then as it is now.
PSG and City have upset the traditional big clubs so something had to be done it seems...
I don't think the comparisons with United are fair. United paid heavily for key players but they buttressed their squad with average players like May, Berg, Brown, Phil Neville, Butt, the twins, O'Shea, Fletcher, and so on, who each got hundreds of appearances.
If any of them had wanted to leave they would never have been subject to a bidding war, or a transfer record for the buying club. They were solid players who knew their roles and helped balance the budget.
City are going to have a bench this season that would comfortably finish in the top 4 in England. A raft of "second string" players earning more money than any key player in 12-14 clubs in their league. And if they weren't earning such stupid money, then every other club would love to take them off city's hands. But they can't.
It's a farce.
... and have a look at the CL benches for the great Barca team and Madrid team of recent years. 1-2 game changers, 2-3 steady players and 2-3 non-entities. Even these cash rich superclubs had to balance their star power with thin squads.
The playing field was never level, but now there's a giant f**king drain at one end.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 05, 2021, 09:30:22 PM
... and have a look at the CL benches for the great Barca team and Madrid team of recent years. 1-2 game changers, 2-3 steady players and 2-3 non-entities. Even these cash rich superclubs had to balance their star power with thin squads.
The playing field was never level, but now there's a giant f**king drain at one end.
Some of these "cash rich" superclubs never had the nails to scratch their own arses and were living on the never never. Real and Barca are proof of that if you ever needed it.
PSG and Man City owners are pumping in their own money, new money into the business and not leveraging the club to the toydolls like the Glazers are doing and like Hicks and Gillette nearly did at Liverpool.
FFP should go after these owners who are draining money from the game. The percentage of debt vrs income should decide the transfer budgets.
Where does the Grealish move leave our 'Arry now?
I would have thought even for City another 150m might be a bit much, or do they just bring both in and go for it?
We know that spurs won't let him go cheap.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 06, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Where does the Grealish move leave our 'Arry now?
I would have thought even for City another 150m might be a bit much, or do they just bring both in and go for it?
We know that spurs won't let him go cheap.
i still think they will go for Kane but they'll make it look ok by off loading a few too. B Silva for 1.
The Messi news may have rocked them a bit though cos i am sure they would have been very interested in his availability.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 06, 2021, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 06, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Where does the Grealish move leave our 'Arry now?
I would have thought even for City another 150m might be a bit much, or do they just bring both in and go for it?
We know that spurs won't let him go cheap.
i still think they will go for Kane but they'll make it look ok by off loading a few too. B Silva for 1.
The Messi news may have rocked them a bit though cos i am sure they would have been very interested in his availability.
They'll surely sign Messi if this Barca news is true.
Did Pep and Messi get on? and why would you bring in a player on his wages at his age? Crazy, he'll be off to PSG if he goes at all
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 06, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 06, 2021, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 06, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Where does the Grealish move leave our 'Arry now?
I would have thought even for City another 150m might be a bit much, or do they just bring both in and go for it?
We know that spurs won't let him go cheap.
i still think they will go for Kane but they'll make it look ok by off loading a few too. B Silva for 1.
The Messi news may have rocked them a bit though cos i am sure they would have been very interested in his availability.
They'll surely sign Messi if this Barca news is true.
The replica jersey market itself would cover his wages for a week or two ;D
Real pulling the plug on the CVC deal ballsed Barca up by the looks of it..
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 06, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 06, 2021, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 06, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Where does the Grealish move leave our 'Arry now?
I would have thought even for City another 150m might be a bit much, or do they just bring both in and go for it?
We know that spurs won't let him go cheap.
i still think they will go for Kane but they'll make it look ok by off loading a few too. B Silva for 1.
The Messi news may have rocked them a bit though cos i am sure they would have been very interested in his availability.
They'll surely sign Messi if this Barca news is true.
It's true and looks like Messi for PSG more than Manchester City.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 06, 2021, 11:47:38 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on August 06, 2021, 11:10:11 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 06, 2021, 11:05:30 AM
Quote from: NAG1 on August 06, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Where does the Grealish move leave our 'Arry now?
I would have thought even for City another 150m might be a bit much, or do they just bring both in and go for it?
We know that spurs won't let him go cheap.
i still think they will go for Kane but they'll make it look ok by off loading a few too. B Silva for 1.
The Messi news may have rocked them a bit though cos i am sure they would have been very interested in his availability.
They'll surely sign Messi if this Barca news is true.
It's true and looks like Messi for PSG more than Manchester City.
Messi to City and Ronaldo home.... Let them go at it again.
Poor Neymar if that PSG rumour is true. Surely one of PSG's big boys will leave it Messi signs.
Quote from: NAG1 on August 06, 2021, 10:59:47 AM
Where does the Grealish move leave our 'Arry now?
I would have thought even for City another 150m might be a bit much, or do they just bring both in and go for it?
We know that spurs won't let him go cheap.
How long before we see Grealish back at Villa? I'd say he'll return at a fraction of the £100m within two years.
So Pep already on saying that they bought Grealish because they thought that they couldnt get Messi. Great way to start
Lukaku back the league with a 97 mil price tag...stats say he'll get you a goal every other game. I'd like Michael Edwards to make a cheeky bid for Timo...although he has an awful first season I still think he'd thrive in a Klopp side
Will Chelsea set up to get the best out of Lukaku?
For all the massive transfer money spent on him, he's never really convinced that he's an elite striker.
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2021, 05:18:44 PM
Will Chelsea set up to get the best out of Lukaku?
For all the massive transfer money spent on him, he's never really convinced that he's an elite striker.
Bit of a flat track bully. Scores lots against junk teams.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2021, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2021, 05:18:44 PM
Will Chelsea set up to get the best out of Lukaku?
For all the massive transfer money spent on him, he's never really convinced that he's an elite striker.
Bit of a flat track bully. Scores lots against junk teams.
Those kind of goals are important, obviously.
But for that kind of money you'd hope he'll also be doing it in CL knock-out and against the big EPL teams.
Quote from: gawa316 on August 07, 2021, 08:16:27 PM
Lukaku back the league with a 97 mil price tag...stats say he'll get you a goal every other game. I'd like Michael Edwards to make a cheeky bid for Timo...although he has an awful first season I still think he'd thrive in a Klopp side
Yes, I'd like to see Liverpool try him.
So with Liverpool back to the team they dominated the Championship so much, where will they find themselves on the last day in the points? Top? 2nd?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2021, 08:02:37 PM
So with Liverpool back to the team they dominated the Championship so much, where will they find themselves on the last day in the points? Top? 2nd?
I might be biased but I do fancy liverpool this year.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 08, 2021, 08:19:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2021, 08:02:37 PM
So with Liverpool back to the team they dominated the Championship so much, where will they find themselves on the last day in the points? Top? 2nd?
I might be biased but I do fancy liverpool this year.
Signings wise obviously City have the jump on most, but defending a title is difficult
City, Liverpool, Man utd and Chelsea all to finish in top 4 was 2/1 on paddy power, a sure thing?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2021, 08:02:37 PM
So with Liverpool back to the team they dominated the Championship so much, where will they find themselves on the last day in the points? Top? 2nd?
Dunno. No Wijnaldum and VVD might not be the same. That team of theirs is two years older too, only so long that style of play can be maintained. Mane looks done too.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 08, 2021, 11:12:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 08, 2021, 08:02:37 PM
So with Liverpool back to the team they dominated the Championship so much, where will they find themselves on the last day in the points? Top? 2nd?
Dunno. No Wijnaldum and VVD might not be the same. That team of theirs is two years older too, only so long that style of play can be maintained. Mane looks done too.
More time between games might help, but the high press will need more use of a panel than Klopp usually does but in fairness if you look to the bench and see Origi, Shaqiri looking back at you, you'll tell Mane and Salah to keep going.
Klopp needs another go to player for the top three to keep them fresh. If he doesn't get one then the goals will dry up soon enough.
Ziyech proving he is as frail as he looks. He disloated his shoulder by another player leaning into him in the air. It looks like he will miss a few weeks for Chelsea.
Quote from: SHEEDY on August 08, 2021, 09:07:31 PM
City, Liverpool, Man utd and Chelsea all to finish in top 4 was 2/1 on paddy power, a sure thing?
That was my thinking after last season ended. I think Utd will finish 4th.
Super Cup for Chelsea in Belfast tonight, beating Villarreal on penalties.
Didn't see the supporters get marched on to a orange Band, pathetic!!!
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2021, 05:31:31 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on August 08, 2021, 05:22:05 PM
Quote from: J70 on August 08, 2021, 05:18:44 PM
Will Chelsea set up to get the best out of Lukaku?
For all the massive transfer money spent on him, he's never really convinced that he's an elite striker.
Bit of a flat track bully. Scores lots against junk teams.
Those kind of goals are important, obviously.
But for that kind of money you'd hope he'll also be doing it in CL knock-out and against the big EPL teams.
In theory he scores every other game, but in reality he seems to do it in bursts in between barren spells.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Manchester_United_F.C._season#Matches
Predictions
Top 4
1)
2)
3)
4)
Top Scorer -
Best Signing -
Team that will do surprisingly well -
Team that will do surprisingly bad -
Predictions
Top 4
1) Man City
2) Chelsea
3) Man Utd
4) Liverpool
Top Scorer - Lukaku
Best Signing - Lukaku (followed by Buendia of Villa)
Team that will do surprisingly well - Norwich
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Everton
Predictions
Top 4
1) Man City
2) Chelsea
3) Utd
4) Liverpool
Top Scorer - Salah
Best Signing - Lukaku
Team that will do surprisingly well - I'm hoping Villa
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Southampton
Predictions
Top 4
1) Man City (in a vert close contest with Chelsea)
2) Chelsea
3) Liverpool
4) Man Utd
Top Scorer - Salah
Best Signing - Sancho (Toney will score a few for Brentford as well)
Team that will do surprisingly well -Brentford
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Wolves
Predictions
Top 4
1) Man City
2) Chelsea
3) Man Utd
4) Liverpool
Top Scorer - Danny Ings
Best Signing - Danny Ings
Team that will do surprisingly well - Brighton
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Wolves
Predictions
Top 4
1)Liverpool
2)Man United
3)Chelsea
4)Man City
Top Scorer - Salah
Best Signing - Sancho
Team that will do surprisingly well - Brentford
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Leeds United
Predictions
Top 4
1) Manchester United
2)Chelsea
3)Liverpool
4)Arsenal
POTY - Bruno
Top Scorer - Aubameyang
Best Signing - Varane
Team that will do surprisingly well - Brighton
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Leeds United
Predictions
Top 4
1) City
2) Chelsea
3) United
4) Liverpool
Top Scorer - Salah
Best Signing - Varane
Team that will do surprisingly well - Brentford
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Spurs
Not a single paper or pundit predicting Liverpool. Bit short sighted.
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2021, 04:11:20 PM
Not a single paper or pundit predicting Liverpool. Bit short sighted.
Its the concerns over the forward line, especially with Mane and Salah heading for the African Cup of Nations in the winter, as well as the strengthening of the other three clubs, especially Chelsea and City.
If they could bring in another decent forward option, I'd be more optimistic myself.
I doubt they'll win it tbh. Forward line not as effective(though Jota should help). Question marks over whether VanDjk is what he was. They still don't have decent cover for left back I don't think and Robertson instrumental to them. I would be shocked were they not in top four mind you and maybe might challenge for a while. The intensity they play with and the lack of break with the euros I think will impact them too.
I think people are sleeping on Manchester United. Have been active in the transfer window and have been going from strength to strength with each passing season since Ferguson walked away. I think this season they will win either the PL or UCL (not both). In terms of the FA Cup, I think it is losing its novelty and is becoming more and more irrelevant
Predictions
Top 4
1) Chelsea
2) Man City
3) Man Utd
4) Liverpool
Top Scorer - Lukaku
Best Signing - Grealish
Team that will do surprisingly well - Brentford
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Everton
Quote from: viperhiggins on August 13, 2021, 04:18:26 PM
Manchester United have been going from strength to strength with each passing season since Ferguson walked away.
ManU are arguably now at their strongest since Ferguson left. But to say they've got stronger each season since he left is just absurd. Not untypical of all your posts in fairness to you.
Predictions
Top 4
1) Liverpool
2)Chelsea
3) Man City
4) Leicester
Top Scorer - Salah
Best Signing - Sancho
Team that will do surprisingly well - Norwich
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Wolves
Top 4
City
Chelsea
Huge gap
United and Liverpool scrape in ahead of Spurs.
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Top scorer; Kane by 5-6
Player of the year: KdB
Surprise package: none
All gone wrong: Arsenal
Quote from: J70 on August 13, 2021, 04:15:14 PM
Quote from: Armamike on August 13, 2021, 04:11:20 PM
Not a single paper or pundit predicting Liverpool. Bit short sighted.
Its the concerns over the forward line, especially with Mane and Salah heading for the African Cup of Nations in the winter, as well as the strengthening of the other three clubs, especially Chelsea and City.
If they could bring in another decent forward option, I'd be more optimistic myself.
Looks like they might miss just 2 games cause of the leagues winter break. I think those games are Brentford and Palace
Quote from: Cunny Funt on August 13, 2021, 05:02:48 PM
Predictions
Top 4
1) Chelsea
2) Man City
3) Man Utd
4) Liverpool
Top Scorer - Lukaku
Best Signing - Grealish
Team that will do surprisingly well - Brentford
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Everton
That wouldn't be a surprise.
Predictions
Top 4
1) Liverpool
2) Man City
3) Chelsea
4) Utd
Top Scorer - Salah
Best Signing - Ings
Team that will do surprisingly well - Villa
Team that will do surprisingly bad - Wolves
Top 4
Liverpool
Chelsea
City
United
Top scorer - Salah
Surprisingly good - Brentford
Surprisingly bad - City (3rd)
Pundits mightn't be picking yis but the optimism is still strong, have any of you not picked them to win the league :)
Don't see why Chelsea are so favoured to be honest, spent a lot last summer and were expected to do well too. I could laugh and the change in attitude towards Lukaku being signed considering the joke figure every one saw him when at United. Chelsea have a notoriously bad record with high profile strikers too, so don't be surprised to see Lukaku be mediocre enough.
There was a stat at Everton, of which i have absolutely no proof 😃, that Everton that season would have had exactly the same amount of points with and without his goals ie he was a great man for getting the third in a 3 0 but not the winner in a 1 0. Always stuck with me.
I think hes improved, time will tell
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 13, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Don't see why Chelsea are so favoured to be honest, spent a lot last summer and were expected to do well too. I could laugh and the change in attitude towards Lukaku being signed considering the joke figure every one saw him when at United. Chelsea have a notoriously bad record with high profile strikers too, so don't be surprised to see Lukaku be mediocre enough.
Lukaku scored 12 and 16 league goals for United in his two seasons there. So even if he "flops" again he'll be by far their top scorer on last seasons history at Chelsea.
Lukaku is a born goal scorer, he's scored 200 approx senior goals. You can doubt him if you wish but you are likely to be wrong.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 13, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Don't see why Chelsea are so favoured to be honest, spent a lot last summer and were expected to do well too. I could laugh and the change in attitude towards Lukaku being signed considering the joke figure every one saw him when at United. Chelsea have a notoriously bad record with high profile strikers too, so don't be surprised to see Lukaku be mediocre enough.
Chelsea was managed by Frank Lampard then and Tuchel now.
New season same old Arsenal.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2021, 06:54:52 PM
Top 4
Liverpool
Chelsea
City
United
Top scorer - Salah
Surprisingly good - Brentford
Surprisingly bad - City (3rd)
Called it.
Quote from: laoislad on August 13, 2021, 09:47:19 PM
New season same old Arsenal.
City and Chelsea up next
Quote from: caprea on August 13, 2021, 09:28:57 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 13, 2021, 09:10:32 PM
Don't see why Chelsea are so favoured to be honest, spent a lot last summer and were expected to do well too. I could laugh and the change in attitude towards Lukaku being signed considering the joke figure every one saw him when at United. Chelsea have a notoriously bad record with high profile strikers too, so don't be surprised to see Lukaku be mediocre enough.
Lukaku scored 12 and 16 league goals for United in his two seasons there. So even if he "flops" again he'll be by far their top scorer on last seasons history at Chelsea.
Lukaku is a born goal scorer, he's scored 200 approx senior goals. You can doubt him if you wish but you are likely to be wrong.
If Lukaku scores 12, 16 or around that number then he has flopped.
Tuchel seemed to improve Chelsea but they were still nothing special in the league.
Predictions
Top 4
1) Chelsea
2) Man City
3) Man Utd
4) Liverpool
Top Scorer - Lukaku
Best Signing - Lukaku
Team that will do surprisingly well - Brentford
Teams that will do surprisingly bad - Everton/ Leeds/ Spurs
What is it that Lukaku has done in a year in Italy, to suggest he's become a player of the year type?
He isn't flexible enough,!doesn't work hard enough, or contribute enough when it matters, to play for a top side. In cricket they'd call him a flat track bully.
Man Utd fans fighting with Leeds fans in the middle of Manchester this morning.
Quote from: stiffler on August 14, 2021, 12:19:29 PM
Man Utd fans fighting with Leeds fans in the middle of Manchester this morning.
Great to see the old rivalries back....does anybody think that given the rise of right wing England there might be a rise in football violence like back in the gold old days in the 80's? I watched the whole business of the Chelsea fans being 'marched' to the game the other night and had visions of the Headhunters and their ilk gaining traction in an time where there is a vacuum of political leadership and potential of social unrest as the fallout of Brexit continues?
Quote from: stiffler on August 14, 2021, 12:19:29 PM
Man Utd fans fighting with Leeds fans in the middle of Manchester this morning.
I hope they were socially distancing at the time.
Do they bring chairs to these fights? Theres always chairs. Do they practice hand to hand combat or swing chairs about for practice. So many questions
There will be less tourist day tripping fans travelling this season until Covid subsides. Therefore clubs like Man Utd and Liverpool in particular will have more locally based fans at matches. The local rivalries mean more to those types of fans than those travelling from abroad. Leeds and Man Utd always had a deep hatred for each other so it shouldn't come as much surprise.
Good show on Netflix at the minute is Green Street which was about the viciousness of the West Ham and other clubs 'Firms' a few decades back. I don't think it will get back to that but who knows there is certainly a rise in the far right going on in England which can't be taken for granted.
Sancho and Rashford you let the country down, sing the Leeds fans. Good to have the fans back 😂
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
What is it that Lukaku has done in a year in Italy, to suggest he's become a player of the year type?
He isn't flexible enough,!doesn't work hard enough, or contribute enough when it matters, to play for a top side. In cricket they'd call him a flat track bully.
My thoughts exactly. The people calling him signing of the season were probably the same people who ridiculed him weekly when at United. I like Lukaku but padding your stats in Italy for two seasons isn't going to change the player you are.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 14, 2021, 01:08:06 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
What is it that Lukaku has done in a year in Italy, to suggest he's become a player of the year type?
He isn't flexible enough,!doesn't work hard enough, or contribute enough when it matters, to play for a top side. In cricket they'd call him a flat track bully.
My thoughts exactly. The people calling him signing of the season were probably the same people who ridiculed him weekly when at United. I like Lukaku but padding your stats in Italy for two seasons isn't going to change the player you are.
He is a good striker but the system must be built around his strengths. His first touch is not great but there is enough pace and movement around him in that Chelsea side to compensate for his deficiencies. He could be the missing piece that Chelsea were missing as Werner clearly wasn't producing the goals required.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 14, 2021, 11:32:08 AM
What is it that Lukaku has done in a year in Italy, to suggest he's become a player of the year type?
He isn't flexible enough,!doesn't work hard enough, or contribute enough when it matters, to play for a top side. In cricket they'd call him a flat track bully.
Would be a welcome addition to Chelsea they haven't had that type of striker for a while. Lukaku could easily finish the top scorer in the Premier league without scoring against the top 4 or 5 teams.
He has very poor movement in the box and touch can be ropy. Coming from deep he is very good at scoring goals though.
No Kane in the Spurs 11
Quote from: gawa316 on August 15, 2021, 03:40:35 PM
No Kane in the Spurs 11
Spurs one nil up on city despote no Kane after an hour. There will be more goals i this game.
City lose first game would be a shock
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 15, 2021, 05:55:48 PM
City lose first game would be a shock
Spurs thoroughly deserved that. Didn't give them an inch or a second.
But like Mayo yesterday!
Those backstards City cost me in my accumulator
City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 02:01:46 PM
City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Mbappe?
Ronaldo?
I think City decided not to pay Spurs what they wanted because they'll buy Haaland next summer instead.
PSG making the Madrid offer for Mbappe public seems to me to mean he's on his way out, but they're hoping for someone else to come in and start a bidding war. Can never rule City out, but I imagine Real will break their bank (again!)
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2021, 02:48:21 PM
I think City decided not to pay Spurs what they wanted because they'll buy Haaland next summer instead.
PSG making the Madrid offer for Mbappe public seems to me to mean he's on his way out, but they're hoping for someone else to come in and start a bidding war. Can never rule City out, but I imagine Real will break their bank (again!)
Leonardo said Mbappe wants to leave
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2021, 02:48:21 PM
I think City decided not to pay Spurs what they wanted because they'll buy Haaland next summer instead.
PSG making the Madrid offer for Mbappe public seems to me to mean he's on his way out, but they're hoping for someone else to come in and start a bidding war. Can never rule City out, but I imagine Real will break their bank (again!)
Someone else's bank as they are in debt and was hoping they'd have European Super league to pay off those debts.
Quote from: gawa316 on August 25, 2021, 03:06:08 PM
Quote from: Hound on August 25, 2021, 02:48:21 PM
I think City decided not to pay Spurs what they wanted because they'll buy Haaland next summer instead.
PSG making the Madrid offer for Mbappe public seems to me to mean he's on his way out, but they're hoping for someone else to come in and start a bidding war. Can never rule City out, but I imagine Real will break their bank (again!)
Leonardo said Mbappe wants to leave
PSG surely take the cash rather than lose him for free next summer. Maybe they'll buy Haaland next summer then.
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 02:01:46 PM
City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Yeah especially with United and Chelsea doing their best to buy it off them
Quote from: maldini on August 25, 2021, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 02:01:46 PM
City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Yeah especially with United and Chelsea doing their best to buy it off them
Chelsea have sold £98 million worth of player this summer, and bought £98. Nothing spent as of yet in reality.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 26, 2021, 06:18:42 AM
Quote from: maldini on August 25, 2021, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 02:01:46 PM
City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Yeah especially with United and Chelsea doing their best to buy it off them
Chelsea have sold £98 million worth of player this summer, and bought £98. Nothing spent as of yet in reality.
Chelsea stockpile players on loan and then sell. Have sold some quality players in last 10 years.
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City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Yeah especially with United and Chelsea doing their best to buy it off them
Chelsea have sold £98 million worth of player this summer, and bought £98. Nothing spent as of yet in reality.
Chelsea stockpile players on loan and then sell. Have sold some quality players in last 10 years.
Their wage bill is insane though. Looking at the transfer spend of clubs, while ignoring wage bills, tells us very little. Unless they can shift them in the next few days Chelsea will pay millions of pounds this season to players like Barkley and Loftus-Cheek who will play no football at all. Stockpiling is not cost free.
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City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Yeah especially with United and Chelsea doing their best to buy it off them
Chelsea have sold £98 million worth of player this summer, and bought £98. Nothing spent as of yet in reality.
Chelsea stockpile players on loan and then sell. Have sold some quality players in last 10 years.
Their wage bill is insane though. Looking at the transfer spend of clubs, while ignoring wage bills, tells us very little. Unless they can shift them in the next few days Chelsea will pay millions of pounds this season to players like Barkley and Loftus-Cheek who will play no football at all. Stockpiling is not cost free.
The likes of Barkley doesn't make sense as there's a good chance he was bought with high wage demands and there's a good chance Chelsea are picking up of good slice of his salary even when he's on loan. If he sits out his contract going out on loan they've lost a pretty penny.
Those lads either bought young and relatively cheap to loan out probably wipe their own faces salary wise in the hope that every once in a while a Tammy Abraham comes along with a £34m transfer out to boost the coffers.
Probably not the worse business model in football to be fair.
Ronaldo to Citeh is heating up.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 26, 2021, 02:57:37 PM
Ronaldo to Citeh is heating up.
Him to City and Messi to PSG highlights further how much this game has sold its soul.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 26, 2021, 03:11:31 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on August 26, 2021, 02:57:37 PM
Ronaldo to Citeh is heating up.
Him to City and Messi to PSG highlights further how much this game has sold its soul.
CL final of City v Chelsea was the cherry on the icing of that particular cake
I suggest if you're interested in groundball support or get involved at grassroots level where real people can be found
Whats going on at the top level is narcos level bullshit
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 25, 2021, 02:29:11 PM
Ronaldo?
If this happens i want a blue tick round here. Put some respect to my name 😉😃
In other news........Benjamin Mendy?!?!?! Big lawds in bother. Up for rape/sexual assault..
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 25, 2021, 02:29:11 PM
Ronaldo?
If this happens i want a blue tick round here. Put some respect to my name 😉😃
In other news........Benjamin Mendy?!?!?! Big lawds in bother. Up for rape/sexual assault..
Wow!!
Manchester City's Benjamin Mendy has been charged with four counts of rape, Cheshire Constabulary has confirmed. City have also suspended the France international pending an investigation.
In a statement, the force said: "The Crown Prosecution Service has authorised Cheshire Constabulary to charge a man in connection with allegations of sexual assault. Benjamin Mendy, aged 27, has been charged with four counts of rape and one count of sexual assault.
"The charges relate to three complainants over the age of 16 and are alleged to have taken place between October 2020 and August 2021. Mendy has been remanded in police custody and is set to appear at Chester magistrates' court on Friday 27 August.
Please please please let Ronaldo to City be a done deal. . . the outcry on Twitter at the minute is hilarious I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics Utd fans will have to do then if he actually does sign.
"Ronnie is a red"
Is he f**k!
As funny as it would be, would he really do it? I know there's little love lost with players at this level and clubs, but would be a real 2 fingers to the United fans, who to their praise have always supported him even after he left. This would completely destroy that respect. I can't see it.
Quote from: Norf Tyrone on August 26, 2021, 06:18:42 AM
Quote from: maldini on August 25, 2021, 07:38:32 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on August 25, 2021, 02:01:46 PM
City's horrible bastard owners are going to have to look for a new way to buy the title this season, it seems.
Yeah especially with United and Chelsea doing their best to buy it off them
Chelsea have sold £98 million worth of player this summer, and bought £98. Nothing spent as of yet in reality.
They spent 240m last summer though as well
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 26, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
As funny as it would be, would he really do it? I know there's little love lost with players at this level and clubs, but would be a real 2 fingers to the United fans, who to their praise have always supported him even after he left. This would completely destroy that respect. I can't see it.
Plenty of greats left United to go to City over the years. Nobody should lose sleep over it
Major enough story coming out of City this evening
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-58348288
Mendy charged with 4 counts of rape.
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2021, 05:16:57 PM
Please please please let Ronaldo to City be a done deal. . . the outcry on Twitter at the minute is hilarious I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics Utd fans will have to do then if he actually does sign.
"Ronnie is a red"
Is he f**k!
I've not seen many as excited as u in fairness :)
Can't wait to drink manc tears when Ronaldo goes to Citeh.
They still thinks he's on loan and he was coming home ;D
The outrage will be glorious ;D
Law, Kidd, Schmeichel and Andy Cole all went to City, why are people pool fans losing their shit?
It's actually hilarious, good on him for moving.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 26, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
Law, Kidd, Schmeichel and Andy Cole all went to City, why are people pool fans losing their shit?
It's actually hilarious, good on him for moving.
Wheres the pool fans losin their shit mr2......or ye just spoofin (yet again)
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 26, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
Law, Kidd, Schmeichel and Andy Cole all went to City, why are people pool fans losing their shit?
It's actually hilarious, good on him for moving.
Wheres the pool fans losin their shit mr2......or ye just spoofin (yet again)
It's only bants ya know. Sure he doesn't even support United.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 26, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
Law, Kidd, Schmeichel and Andy Cole all went to City, why are people pool fans losing their shit?
It's actually hilarious, good on him for moving.
Wheres the pool fans losin their shit mr2......or ye just spoofin (yet again)
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 26, 2021, 10:05:09 PM
Can't wait to drink manc tears when Ronaldo goes to Citeh.
They still thinks he's on loan and he was coming home ;D
The outrage will be glorious ;D
Tevez, Hargreaves, Kanchelkis and others too.
Quote from: Boycey on August 26, 2021, 10:23:40 PM
Tevez, Hargreaves, Kanchelkis and others too.
Ones that made a difference ;)
Though had a soft spot for Andre
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 26, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
Law, Kidd, Schmeichel and Andy Cole all went to City, why are people pool fans losing their shit?
It's actually hilarious, good on him for moving.
Wheres the pool fans losin their shit mr2......or ye just spoofin (yet again)
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 26, 2021, 10:05:09 PM
Can't wait to drink manc tears when Ronaldo goes to Citeh.
They still thinks he's on loan and he was coming home ;D
The outrage will be glorious ;D
Ah i was right then. Ok, carry on
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 26, 2021, 10:15:05 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on August 26, 2021, 10:10:32 PM
Law, Kidd, Schmeichel and Andy Cole all went to City, why are people pool fans losing their shit?
It's actually hilarious, good on him for moving.
Wheres the pool fans losin their shit mr2......or ye just spoofin (yet again)
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on August 26, 2021, 10:05:09 PM
Can't wait to drink manc tears when Ronaldo goes to Citeh.
They still thinks he's on loan and he was coming home ;D
The outrage will be glorious ;D
Ah i was right then. Ok, carry on
You need to quit losing your shit jibba jabba
😂😂
Ach hes harmless but needs reigned in every couple weeks.
Anyway im away to fume over CR7 for some unknown reason
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 27, 2021, 12:16:51 AM
😂😂
Ach hes harmless but needs reigned in every couple weeks.
Anyway im away to fume over CR7 for some unknown reason
🤣
You know for sure EC Unique is fuming at the prospect of CR7 turning blue
Still here ;)
Not going to lie, as a Utd supporter it will hurt if he does end up at City.
Not going to lie, as a City supporter it will mean even more if he comes to us
Quote from: Taylor on August 27, 2021, 12:09:05 PM
Not going to lie, as a City supporter it will mean even more if he comes to us
Get f*cked >:( :'(
Odds update
Welcome to Manchester 3/1
Welcome to Salford 11/1
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 27, 2021, 12:09:05 PM
Not going to lie, as a City supporter it will mean even more if he comes to us
Get f*cked >:( :'(
Stop losing your sh!te
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Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 12:39:23 PM
Quote from: Taylor on August 27, 2021, 12:09:05 PM
Not going to lie, as a City supporter it will mean even more if he comes to us
Get f*cked >:( :'(
Stop losing your sh!te
I am joking with the man.
I'm still raging right enough lol
He could end up back at Utd yet.
Apologies @trueblue1234 missed that
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 02:00:54 PM
Apologies @trueblue1234 missed that
Not needed!! Easy done with my sh*t humour....
United in talks now! (Ronnie)
Do i lose me shit keep me shit or wipe me shit. Im all confused now.
Tell ye what, this transfer window hasnt disappointed. Too bad its mainly the mega rich but still, plenty excitement on offer
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 27, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
United in talks now! (Ronnie)
Do i lose me shit keep me shit or wipe me shit. Im all confused now.
Tell ye what, this transfer window hasnt disappointed. Too bad its mainly the mega rich but still, plenty excitement on offer
It's the hope that kills you
so are united in for him now?
Clip of him boarding a private jet so all could become clear soon enough. If he chooses city now that Utd have entered the race, wow! Some talk that Juve want Pogba is a swap plus money deal.
Who will take the plethora of penalties?
City now out of the deal they say. Must be Utd. All moving very quickly.
The Glazers Out crew will be quiet the night
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 27, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
United in talks now! (Ronnie)
Do i lose me shit keep me shit or wipe me shit. Im all confused now.
Tell ye what, this transfer window hasnt disappointed. Too bad its mainly the mega rich but still, plenty excitement on offer
It's starting to remind of that time Man United wanted to get one over on Man City and sign Alexis Sanchez because Man City were going too. That worked out well for them.....
United don't need Ronaldo... smacks of an emotional/impulse buy good luck to them!!
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 27, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
United in talks now! (Ronnie)
Do i lose me shit keep me shit or wipe me shit. Im all confused now.
Tell ye what, this transfer window hasnt disappointed. Too bad its mainly the mega rich but still, plenty excitement on offer
It's starting to remind of that time Man United wanted to get one over on Man City and sign Alexis Sanchez because Man City were going too. That worked out well for them.....
Same came into my head Laoislad. Cavani wont be happy, (may well be on way) doesnt do much for Greenwood/Rashford. And Fernandes wont be happy at losing pens/frees. All the while they have an average midfield. Ah well it was now or never for the big lawd to come home as they say
F*ck me. Haaland to PSG next. Im away for a lie down.
Liverpool remain hopeful Origi steps up to the plate...
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 02:39:43 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 27, 2021, 02:10:01 PM
United in talks now! (Ronnie)
Do i lose me shit keep me shit or wipe me shit. Im all confused now.
Tell ye what, this transfer window hasnt disappointed. Too bad its mainly the mega rich but still, plenty excitement on offer
It's starting to remind of that time Man United wanted to get one over on Man City and sign Alexis Sanchez because Man City were going too. That worked out well for them.....
At best probably a year or 2 at United and retire at Sporting Lisbon or MLS.
Be interesting to see who leaves as a result. Cavani would be a big loss if he left before end of window.
Quote from: lurganblue on August 27, 2021, 02:32:23 PM
Clip of him boarding a private jet so all could become clear soon enough. If he chooses city now that Utd have entered the race, wow! Some talk that Juve want Pogba is a swap plus money deal.
Throw in Phil Jones too. That will swing the deal ;D
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Wanting him didn't matter. It's clear now according to top tier journalists that the player himself was never going to join Manchester City.
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Lol
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Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Wanting him didn't matter. It's clear now according to top tier journalists that the player himself was never going to join Manchester City.
So you're going down the being deluded route I see.
He'll do an interview now saying of course he wouldn't have joined Man City and lads like you will lap it up and believe every word.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Wanting him didn't matter. It's clear now according to top tier journalists that the player himself was never going to join Manchester City.
So you're going down the being deluded route I see.
He'll do an interview now saying of course he wouldn't have joined Man City and lads like you will lap it up and believe every word.
Lol
I'm not going to lie, it means even more to me now
Rich Riccis Ronaldo Rollercoaster
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Wanting him didn't matter. It's clear now according to top tier journalists that the player himself was never going to join Manchester City.
So you're going down the being deluded route I see.
He'll do an interview now saying of course he wouldn't have joined Man City and lads like you will lap it up and believe every word.
No I believe the words of top tier journalists.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Wanting him didn't matter. It's clear now according to top tier journalists that the player himself was never going to join Manchester City.
So you're going down the being deluded route I see.
He'll do an interview now saying of course he wouldn't have joined Man City and lads like you will lap it up and believe every word.
No I believe the words of top tier journalists.
Lol
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on August 27, 2021, 05:11:05 PM
Rich Riccis Ronaldo Rollercoaster
That was a roller coaster to be fair. Amazing how things change in what 4 hours?
Crazy day alrite Rich. This sort of shizzle is normally kept for deadline day. Few days left yet lets see what other madness unfolds
I know it's easy to say now but I never thought he would join City. The personnel at United has changed since he left, but obviously Fergie still has a big influence on things at OT.
Cavani can clear off, been f**king about already this season.
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 27, 2021, 09:16:44 PM
Cavani can clear off, been f**king about already this season.
What's he up to? Will he give up the number 7 shirt?
Overpaying for a player past his best that they don't need... another trophyless season beckons!!
You're winning f all with Fred and Matic in the middle!
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2021, 05:16:57 PM
Please please please let Ronaldo to City be a done deal. . . the outcry on Twitter at the minute is hilarious I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics Utd fans will have to do then if he actually does sign.
"Ronnie is a red"
Is he f**k!
This aged well😂😂😂😂
Quote from: screenexile on August 27, 2021, 10:22:23 PM
Overpaying for a player past his best that they don't need... another trophyless season beckons!!
You're winning f all with Fred and Matic in the middle!
A hundred percent correct, but you were funny today
Quote from: shawshank on August 27, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on August 26, 2021, 05:16:57 PM
Please please please let Ronaldo to City be a done deal. . . the outcry on Twitter at the minute is hilarious I can't wait to see the mental gymnastics Utd fans will have to do then if he actually does sign.
"Ronnie is a red"
Is he f**k!
This aged well😂😂😂😂
Lol. Brilliant.
Quote from: gawa316 on August 27, 2021, 10:15:12 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on August 27, 2021, 09:16:44 PM
Cavani can clear off, been f**king about already this season.
What's he up to? Will he give up the number 7 shirt?
#CR65 just doesn't have the same ring, does it??
Quote from: screenexile on August 27, 2021, 10:22:23 PM
Overpaying for a player past his best that they don't need... another trophyless season beckons!!
You're winning f all with Fred and Matic in the middle!
20 million for a man who will probably outscored the rest is a good deal. He is still a goal a game player.
How bad are Arsenal. Shockingly poor.
They are awful. Conte is free but would he be willing to go there
City don't need an out and out striker going by previous results, 8 goals so far in last premier league games.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 28, 2021, 12:44:13 PM
How bad are Arsenal. Shockingly poor.
Why was Mikel Arteta kept on for another year?
I am not sure it will be another year.
That's some bullsh*t with the Brazilian FA. Fair enough Utd actually benefit with Fred being suspended but if you're Liverpool you're bound to be angry especially given the Everton situation.
I hope Liverpool play their players, it's a disgrace what Brazil are trying to do and surely nothing serious can happen to any team that plays with the named players. The rule was for clubs not releasing players who wanted to play, not for issues to do with a pandemic.
Quote from: nrico2006 on September 10, 2021, 12:17:09 AM
I hope Liverpool play their players, it's a disgrace what Brazil are trying to do and surely nothing serious can happen to any team that plays with the named players. The rule was for clubs not releasing players who wanted to play, not for issues to do with a pandemic.
Hopefully Utd stick to the rule ;)
The whole international break has been a sh*t show for clubs.
Villa released 2 lads for Argentina who ended up only getting 1 game and they're still gonna miss the Chelsea game.
We get to do it all again in 4 weeks.
The Fred bashing is reaching comedic levels at this stage. It's hard to argue that there aren't multiple upgrades for him out there but at the moment Utd own none of them. His partner is already injured but apparently we'd still be better off without him...
Remember why he's banned, because he should have been playing for BRAZIL during the international break. :)
Quote from: lurganblue on September 10, 2021, 09:09:39 AM
The whole international break has been a sh*t show for clubs.
Villa released 2 lads for Argentina who ended up only getting 1 game and they're still gonna miss the Chelsea game.
We get to do it all again in 4 weeks.
I don't think Buendia played at all.
Quote from: shark on September 10, 2021, 09:18:56 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on September 10, 2021, 09:09:39 AM
The whole international break has been a sh*t show for clubs.
Villa released 2 lads for Argentina who ended up only getting 1 game and they're still gonna miss the Chelsea game.
We get to do it all again in 4 weeks.
I don't think Buendia played at all.
No yet to get playing alright.
Quote from: Rich Ricci on September 09, 2021, 09:53:26 PM
That's some bullsh*t with the Brazilian FA. Fair enough Utd actually benefit with Fred being suspended but if you're Liverpool you're bound to be angry especially given the Everton situation.
Costs nothing to be nice ;)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 05:12:56 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 05:00:34 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 04:24:15 PM
Quote from: laoislad on August 27, 2021, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 27, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Quote from: Rich Ricci on August 27, 2021, 03:16:46 PM
So was the City rumours all bait to get Utd in for him?
Wasn't rumours, the stumbling block was his foolish agent Jorge Mendes who thought Ronaldo was open to joining Manchester City.
If City really wanted him they could have got him, don't be deluded in thinking he wouldn't have signed for them.
Wanting him didn't matter. It's clear now according to top tier journalists that the player himself was never going to join Manchester City.
So you're going down the being deluded route I see.
He'll do an interview now saying of course he wouldn't have joined Man City and lads like you will lap it up and believe every word.
No I believe the words of top tier journalists.
👀
https://www.balls.ie/football/manchester-city-cristiano-ronaldo-first-choice-483739?fbclid=IwAR1MvpAleA8Cp-7u_IdAwndr2VpZoj9Sa23frPM-246xECP3Bwr5QLf2WFw
Quote from: laoislad on September 10, 2021, 02:21:44 PM
👀
https://www.balls.ie/football/manchester-city-cristiano-ronaldo-first-choice-483739?fbclid=IwAR1MvpAleA8Cp-7u_IdAwndr2VpZoj9Sa23frPM-246xECP3Bwr5QLf2WFw
Guillem Balague and a balls article, enough said ;D
Captain Deluded.
If you're quoting balls.ie and Ballbag in a debate you're unlikely to be winning....
Disclaimer: not a personal attack on laoislad, just an opinion.
Just need GJL to post now to complete the 3 Stooges...
What was the abuse directed at John McGinn at Chelsea?
Quote from: BennyCake on September 14, 2021, 10:30:35 AM
What was the abuse directed at John McGinn at Chelsea?
There is a video of it doing the rounds. "F**ian b*****d" was part of it. Perpetrator had a Scottish accent.
Quote from: shark on September 14, 2021, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on September 14, 2021, 10:30:35 AM
What was the abuse directed at John McGinn at Chelsea?
There is a video of it doing the rounds. "F**ian b*****d" was part of it. Perpetrator had a Scottish accent.
Yeah i've heard a few Chelsea fans blame Rangers for some reason.
Arsenal are playing very well but Spurs are an absolute embarrassment here.
Newcastle takeover by the Saudis expected to be announced today. The game is gone.
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 07, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Newcastle takeover by the Saudis expected to be announced today. The game is gone.
Having rich owners is not new.. Most PL clubs are owned by rich people or rich organisations. Newcastle won't win the league for a while, a bit like Chelsea and City, It will take time to find the right mix of players and management, Liverpool, City or Chelsea won't be lying down either
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2021, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 07, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Newcastle takeover by the Saudis expected to be announced today. The game is gone.
Having rich owners is not new.. Most PL clubs are owned by rich people or rich organisations. Newcastle won't win the league for a while, a bit like Chelsea and City, It will take time to find the right mix of players and management, Liverpool, City or Chelsea won't be lying down either
I don't think the rich owners is the issue. It is the sports washing, human rights, womens rights and repressive regime that is the issue. Professional football is a cesspit and this only adds to it. We've already had Chelsea and Man City being taken over to sportswash their owners reputations so I suppose another one will not make that much difference. There will be a bit of sabre rattling for a few days but most football fans and commentators will shrug their shoulders and continue as it does not affect them. Lets see how the Sky champagne socialists Neville and Carragher sell this one.
The money involved is collosal though, even compared to City. (More than 10x as much behind them).
Human rights issues speak for themselves. I dont need to go over them here.
Will be interesting to see how this pairs with Sky and BBCs I'm in/kick it out/pride messaging.
Alan Shearer doesn't seem to mind on twitter.
Quote from: yellowcard on October 07, 2021, 01:25:53 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2021, 01:09:56 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on October 07, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Newcastle takeover by the Saudis expected to be announced today. The game is gone.
Having rich owners is not new.. Most PL clubs are owned by rich people or rich organisations. Newcastle won't win the league for a while, a bit like Chelsea and City, It will take time to find the right mix of players and management, Liverpool, City or Chelsea won't be lying down either
I don't think the rich owners is the issue. It is the sports washing, human rights, womens rights and repressive regime that is the issue. Professional football is a cesspit and this only adds to it. We've already had Chelsea and Man City being taken over to sportswash their owners reputations so I suppose another one will not make that much difference. There will be a bit of sabre rattling for a few days but most football fans and commentators will shrug their shoulders and continue as it does not affect them. Lets see how the Sky champagne socialists Neville and Carragher sell this one.
I would say if you look back at the history of owners of English clubs in the past you might find that they were for slavery, or owned work houses or had a host of unacceptable/questionable businesses or practices.
Look when the PL can pay those wages to players then is lost, probably went when the first million pound player was bought, Trevor Francis, and that was late 70's !!
Howay the lads
It'll be fun to see an army of Newcastle bots shilling for UKIP and proclaiming the evils of Islam and immigration by day, and then shilling for Saudi Arabia and Sharia law by night.
It is quite clearly an example of "sportswashing". However, this is just one tiny part of a much bigger picture. The people involved in sports clubs, be it fans, owners, players. They are just a subset of society. A society which largely ignores the acts of (in this example) the House of Saud. Why should football, or any sport for that matter, be expected to be different or held to a higher standard? The UK Government is squarely behind this takeover.
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2021, 01:47:52 PM
It is quite clearly an example of "sportswashing". However, this is just one tiny part of a much bigger picture. The people involved in sports clubs, be it fans, owners, players. They are just a subset of society. A society which largely ignores the acts of (in this example) the House of Saud. Why should football, or any sport for that matter, be expected to be different or held to a higher standard? The UK Government is squarely behind this takeover.
While they are at it the should be banning all the betting firms that sponsors clubs and radio talkshows!!
I was on Talksport last Saturday and the referencing to bets and betting firms was out of order
The long suffering Y Aye fans might get something to shout about while turning their back on humanitarian issues, like supporters of a few other clubs. They wont care when Mbappe is banging them in up front :P
Brighton player up to no good too. Bissouma is the rumours. That lad was destined to get a big move a few months ago... well if not a big club then certainly Arsenal at least.
It would seem the irony isn't just limited to the football boardroom or Geordie yobs.
You'll have all the usual handwringing on here but ultimately all you you will still watch the PL, pay your sky subscription, buy the kids the jersey so how are you any better? You've just come on here to complain but in truth this move, like all the previous, hasn't changed your perception of football or your attraction to it. So spare us the preaching of footballs ills when we all know you'll still be slavishly tuned in to sky sports in a weeks time.
Newcastle Supporters won't give one flying F who takes over their club as long as they have money and it means the end of Ashley.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on October 07, 2021, 02:26:04 PM
Newcastle Supporters won't give one flying F who takes over their club as long as they have money and it means the end of Ashley.
And therein lies the problem. Ashley is basically a modern day slave owner in how he treats his staff through his businesses. I was speaking to a client this week from Newcastle and he was like a kid at Christmas at the thought of this happening, ignored the whole issues around the sportswashing and basically said they've been raped for years by Ashley so they deserve some luck! I agreed they deserved to be treated better but at the end of it all this is wrong
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2021, 01:56:29 PM
Quote from: shark on October 07, 2021, 01:47:52 PM
It is quite clearly an example of "sportswashing". However, this is just one tiny part of a much bigger picture. The people involved in sports clubs, be it fans, owners, players. They are just a subset of society. A society which largely ignores the acts of (in this example) the House of Saud. Why should football, or any sport for that matter, be expected to be different or held to a higher standard? The UK Government is squarely behind this takeover.
While they are at it the should be banning all the betting firms that sponsors clubs and radio talkshows!!
I was on Talksport last Saturday and the referencing to bets and betting firms was out of order
100% yes. How many Premier League teams are sponsored by betting companies? A good few looking at MotD any Sat / Sun
But why should he care , when non Newcastle fans don't really care either? What the Saudis do is of little interest to the vast majority of people in the U.K. , be they in Newcastle, London or Birmingham. Same can be said of Ireland, France, wherever. People care about local issues they affect them and their families.
I think it's wrong too. But I won't vote in the next GE based on a parties stance on Saudi.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 07, 2021, 01:45:29 PM
It'll be fun to see an army of Newcastle bots shilling for UKIP and proclaiming the evils of Islam and immigration by day, and then shilling for Saudi Arabia and Sharia law by night.
They'll chose not to see the connection like my Liverpool loving workmate give out about Muslims without even realising Salah was a Muslim..
As for human rights, when the Saudi's can bump off a journalist, cut him to bits and not one Western Government lifts so much as a cross word then why worry when they buy a football club in the North East of England?
They're spending a fortune on our missiles and the likes, so look away lads and ladies.
Newcastle gonna end up like Man Citeh. Buying trophies and plastic fans. You'll see boys in India in a few years time with Newcastle jerseys on.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 07, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
Newcastle gonna end up like Man Citeh. Buying trophies and plastic fans. You'll see boys in India in a few years time with Newcastle jerseys on.
The one thing they don't have is plastic fans, the rest may happen, Christ they may end up with fans from Ireland
Lads if it means 1 less horse gettin punched after their latest defeat then im all on for it
Jokes and human rights violations aside at least itll shake things up a bit. God knows their fans deserve rid of Ashley.
And apart from all that, football is couped
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2021, 04:01:58 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on October 07, 2021, 03:56:59 PM
Newcastle gonna end up like Man Citeh. Buying trophies and plastic fans. You'll see boys in India in a few years time with Newcastle jerseys on.
The one thing they don't have is plastic fans, the rest may happen, Christ they may end up with fans from Ireland
Yea they don't now, but with the Arabs taking over there'll be a new breed of plastic gloryhunters for them, including from Ireland. Sure there are plenty of wee lads running about now with Citeh tops in Ireland ;D same thing will happen
I had high hopes of the Saudi's taking the Glazers out, disappointed now.
Money or no money I don't know if NUFC will really be the success people suspect they will. They are currently a mid to lower division team, they are going to have to basically buy a new team. Saint Maximan is the only player who any of the top 4-5 clubs would take. They have no Gaza's coming through and they have no history of success. The fans are fanatics but deluded. LFC, Man U, City end Chelsea are still going to be getting the top players as they are basically nailed on for CL for the next few seasons. LFC and United have the history, Chelsea and City the money and location. Does anyone really see the likes of Haaland moving to Newcastle no matter how much he's paid?
It's fanciful to think they will really shake things up. It will take them 4-5 seasons to rebuild and the likes of the Saudis may not be patient for that. They may get a cup run or push for Europe but I can't see them breaking through anytime soon
I'd sooner the Glazers than the Saudis and that's saying something.
But in the bigger scheme of things its all a bit meh at this stage and people are right in saying that after all the moaning and pontificating things will just carry on...
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 07, 2021, 06:04:16 PM
Money or no money I don't know if NUFC will really be the success people suspect they will. They are currently a mid to lower division team, they are going to have to basically buy a new team. Saint Maximan is the only player who any of the top 4-5 clubs would take. They have no Gaza's coming through and they have no history of success. The fans are fanatics but deluded. LFC, Man U, City end Chelsea are still going to be getting the top players as they are basically nailed on for CL for the next few seasons. LFC and United have the history, Chelsea and City the money and location. Does anyone really see the likes of Haaland moving to Newcastle no matter how much he's paid?
It's fanciful to think they will really shake things up. It will take them 4-5 seasons to rebuild and the likes of the Saudis may not be patient for that. They may get a cup run or push for Europe but I can't see them breaking through anytime soon
City were a yo yo before their owners came in, Chelsea did have some history but without the Russian they'd be a yo-yo team also.
Bcb - dunno. Wont happen overnight as you say but neither did Citys. It should improve gradually every year now then say 5to10yrs they could be up there
Boycey - correct, their supporters just on bbc there, theyre wettin themselves as they should be.
Its a dirty sport only gettin dirtier but the team thats winnin, will they really care..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 07, 2021, 06:18:13 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 07, 2021, 06:04:16 PM
Money or no money I don't know if NUFC will really be the success people suspect they will. They are currently a mid to lower division team, they are going to have to basically buy a new team. Saint Maximan is the only player who any of the top 4-5 clubs would take. They have no Gaza's coming through and they have no history of success. The fans are fanatics but deluded. LFC, Man U, City end Chelsea are still going to be getting the top players as they are basically nailed on for CL for the next few seasons. LFC and United have the history, Chelsea and City the money and location. Does anyone really see the likes of Haaland moving to Newcastle no matter how much he's paid?
It's fanciful to think they will really shake things up. It will take them 4-5 seasons to rebuild and the likes of the Saudis may not be patient for that. They may get a cup run or push for Europe but I can't see them breaking through anytime soon
City were a yo yo before their owners came in, Chelsea did have some history but without the Russian they'd be a yo-yo team also.
Yes, remember all the sneering United and their fans did at the "noisy neigbours" in that period! It took City a couple of years (and a Robinho debacle) before the new owners translated to onfield success, but that amount of cash being available made it inevitable.
If the Saudis are going to plough limitless amounts of cash into Newcastle, the stars will follow.
Especially with the Spanish clubs currently in deep shit.
First decision for them would be to stick with Steve Bruce for a while, or make a statement with a new manager. It will take a few transfer windows before they would obviously become a force, a big name manager would get interest from players.
Manchester Citys sugar daddy arrived September 2008, first Premier league title won under those owners was in 2012. If history repeats itself Newcastles should win the Premier league in 2025.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
Manchester Citys sugar daddy arrived September 2008, first Premier league title won under those owners was in 2012. If history repeats itself Newcastles should win the Premier league in 2025.
And Since 2008 Man City have won
5 Premier Leagues
2 FA Cups
6 League Cups
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 07, 2021, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
Manchester Citys sugar daddy arrived September 2008, first Premier league title won under those owners was in 2012. If history repeats itself Newcastles should win the Premier league in 2025.
And Since 2008 Man City have won
5 Premier Leagues
2 FA Cups
6 League Cups
Newcastle deserve to be top of the Premier league but it will take time to get there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1446178879928950785
Loads of money to get there she means. Speaking of money I'd wonder how much that face cost?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2021, 08:07:05 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on October 07, 2021, 07:32:39 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 07, 2021, 06:54:39 PM
Manchester Citys sugar daddy arrived September 2008, first Premier league title won under those owners was in 2012. If history repeats itself Newcastles should win the Premier league in 2025.
And Since 2008 Man City have won
5 Premier Leagues
2 FA Cups
6 League Cups
Newcastle deserve to be top of the Premier league but it will take time to get there.
https://mobile.twitter.com/SkySportsNews/status/1446178879928950785
Loads of money to get there she means. Speaking of money I'd wonder how much that face cost?
Why?
Edit: Apologies, seems her statement not yours.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 07, 2021, 06:04:16 PM
Money or no money I don't know if NUFC will really be the success people suspect they will. They are currently a mid to lower division team, they are going to have to basically buy a new team. Saint Maximan is the only player who any of the top 4-5 clubs would take. They have no Gaza's coming through and they have no history of success. The fans are fanatics but deluded. LFC, Man U, City end Chelsea are still going to be getting the top players as they are basically nailed on for CL for the next few seasons. LFC and United have the history, Chelsea and City the money and location. Does anyone really see the likes of Haaland moving to Newcastle no matter how much he's paid?
It's fanciful to think they will really shake things up. It will take them 4-5 seasons to rebuild and the likes of the Saudis may not be patient for that. They may get a cup run or push for Europe but I can't see them breaking through anytime soon
Sure look at the state of City pre 2008. Give Newcastle 10 years, maybe even less with the amount of money they'll throw at it and they'll be a contender for everything.
Lets se what type of investment actually materialises. I know initially it might be a tough sell to get some big superstars to come to Newcastle but money does talk. If there is the prospect of success, european football, and lots of cash then players will come.
Bruce will have to go and i suspect that will happen before January. A big name with some pulling power is needed.
Quote from: lurganblue on October 08, 2021, 10:55:44 AM
Lets se what type of investment actually materialises. I know initially it might be a tough sell to get some big superstars to come to Newcastle but money does talk. If there is the prospect of success, european football, and lots of cash then players will come.
Bruce will have to go and i suspect that will happen before January. A big name with some pulling power is needed.
What big name manager? Just putting it out there, maybe Conte, but who else at the top end of management is likely to be available?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 08, 2021, 10:55:44 AM
Lets se what type of investment actually materialises. I know initially it might be a tough sell to get some big superstars to come to Newcastle but money does talk. If there is the prospect of success, european football, and lots of cash then players will come.
Bruce will have to go and i suspect that will happen before January. A big name with some pulling power is needed.
What big name manager? Just putting it out there, maybe Conte, but who else at the top end of management is likely to be available?
Zidane. That snake Pep would go for the right money too I'd say
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 08, 2021, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 08, 2021, 10:55:44 AM
Lets se what type of investment actually materialises. I know initially it might be a tough sell to get some big superstars to come to Newcastle but money does talk. If there is the prospect of success, european football, and lots of cash then players will come.
Bruce will have to go and i suspect that will happen before January. A big name with some pulling power is needed.
What big name manager? Just putting it out there, maybe Conte, but who else at the top end of management is likely to be available?
Zidane. That snake Pep would go for the right money too I'd say
Zizou on the Tyne....imagine it!
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2021, 11:21:40 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on October 08, 2021, 10:55:44 AM
Lets se what type of investment actually materialises. I know initially it might be a tough sell to get some big superstars to come to Newcastle but money does talk. If there is the prospect of success, european football, and lots of cash then players will come.
Bruce will have to go and i suspect that will happen before January. A big name with some pulling power is needed.
What big name manager? Just putting it out there, maybe Conte, but who else at the top end of management is likely to be available?
They might get Conte but there's a chance they have to get close to the top table first before they land one of the big names. As in get a champions league place first. Bruce will be gone before the international window closes imho
Conte probably would be interested,he left Inter because they were cutting the spending and turned down Tottenham because they wouldn't guarantee a big Spending spree.
What best sums up modern football is that the Saudis didn't suddenly pass some due diligence and got the ok. But another Middle Eastern state, Qatar, and their media arm BeIN sports resolved their issue with Saudi state over privacy of premier league games in the region and they withdrew their opposition lobby on the premier league who then rushed through their approval to the take over deal.
Money talks as well we all know.
Sunderland should rename the Stadium Of Light "The Jamal Khashoggi Stadium" just to troll Newcastle and the Saudis.
Newcastle will be at the top in 5/6 years. It will start with your typical big name mercenary footballlers, like Coutinho etc. Doesn't matter about their squad right now, it will be replaced no bother.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 08, 2021, 08:25:33 PM
Sunderland should rename the Stadium Of Light "The Jamal Khashoggi Stadium" just to troll Newcastle and the Saudis.
Seriously? Trolling using an assassinated journalist ? Christ the night
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 08:27:18 PM
Newcastle will be at the top in 5/6 years. It will start with your typical big name mercenary footballlers, like Coutinho etc. Doesn't matter about their squad right now, it will be replaced no bother.
hopefully they get relegated this year, can build in the championship 😛
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 08, 2021, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 08:27:18 PM
Newcastle will be at the top in 5/6 years. It will start with your typical big name mercenary footballlers, like Coutinho etc. Doesn't matter about their squad right now, it will be replaced no bother.
hopefully they get relegated this year, can build in the championship 😛
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they were relegated. I see Gerard's name being linked with the managers job. I would be very disappointed if he took it, just doesn't seem right.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on October 08, 2021, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 08, 2021, 08:36:21 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 08, 2021, 08:27:18 PM
Newcastle will be at the top in 5/6 years. It will start with your typical big name mercenary footballlers, like Coutinho etc. Doesn't matter about their squad right now, it will be replaced no bother.
hopefully they get relegated this year, can build in the championship 😛
Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if they were relegated. I see Gerard's name being linked with the managers job. I would be very disappointed if he took it, just doesn't seem right.
Morally it doesn't seem right?
They will probably buy enough in January to stay up but would imagine they will be top 4 & pushing the top teams hard within 5 years
Obviously Bruce will be sacked, who will the new owners want to take over though? Zidane, Conte, Benitez, Pep?
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 08, 2021, 10:38:01 PM
Obviously Bruce will be sacked, who will the new owners want to take over though? Zidane, Conte, Benitez, Pep?
Did they sack Hughes straight away at City?
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 08, 2021, 10:38:01 PM
Obviously Bruce will be sacked, who will the new owners want to take over though? Zidane, Conte, Benitez, Pep?
Shearer?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 08, 2021, 10:52:30 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 08, 2021, 10:38:01 PM
Obviously Bruce will be sacked, who will the new owners want to take over though? Zidane, Conte, Benitez, Pep?
Did they sack Hughes straight away at City?
Hughes had a season under the new ownership. Mancini took over the following season.. That was when Kaka turned City down for Madrid
Quote from: BennyCake on October 08, 2021, 11:19:52 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on October 08, 2021, 10:38:01 PM
Obviously Bruce will be sacked, who will the new owners want to take over though? Zidane, Conte, Benitez, Pep?
Shearer?
Gona be Ambassador along with Keegan so thats him out
As the boy says City gave Hughes a while but Newcastles situation is a bit more dire, ssn saying bruce almost certain to be sacked
Shearer managed Newcastle briefly before but they got relegated, so not a chance he would get the job.
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2021, 12:15:22 AM
Shearer managed Newcastle briefly before but they got relegated, so not a chance he would get the job.
In those top 100 PL moments polls and shows this should be in the top 10 every time, was beautiful to watch the motd pundit turned gaffer/saviour bring his cludlb down with the indomitable Ian Dowie by his side
Quote from: tiempo on October 09, 2021, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2021, 12:15:22 AM
Shearer managed Newcastle briefly before but they got relegated, so not a chance he would get the job.
In those top 100 PL moments polls and shows this should be in the top 10 every time, was beautiful to watch the motd pundit turned gaffer/saviour bring his cludlb down with the indomitable Ian Dowie by his side
Relegated at Villa on the last day. Sob on the Tyne
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 08, 2021, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 08, 2021, 08:25:33 PM
Sunderland should rename the Stadium Of Light "The Jamal Khashoggi Stadium" just to troll Newcastle and the Saudis.
Seriously? Trolling using an assassinated journalist ? Christ the night
Why would you want to protect the feelings of Mohammed Bin Salman and Newcastle United?
Shouldn't Saudi Arabia's grotesque human rights abuses and murderous criminality be continuously rammed down the throats of everybody to do with Newcastle United from now on?
Quote from: lurganblue on October 09, 2021, 10:55:57 AM
Quote from: tiempo on October 09, 2021, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: rodney trotter on October 09, 2021, 12:15:22 AM
Shearer managed Newcastle briefly before but they got relegated, so not a chance he would get the job.
In those top 100 PL moments polls and shows this should be in the top 10 every time, was beautiful to watch the motd pundit turned gaffer/saviour bring his cludlb down with the indomitable Ian Dowie by his side
Relegated at Villa on the last day. Sob on the Tyne
More Flog On The Tyne these days.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 09, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 08, 2021, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 08, 2021, 08:25:33 PM
Sunderland should rename the Stadium Of Light "The Jamal Khashoggi Stadium" just to troll Newcastle and the Saudis.
Seriously? Trolling using an assassinated journalist ? Christ the night
Why would you want to protect the feelings of Mohammed Bin Salman and Newcastle United?
Shouldn't Saudi Arabia's grotesque human rights abuses and murderous criminality be continuously rammed down the throats of everybody to do with Newcastle United from now on?
Trolling by using a person who, by all accounts was murdered and disposed off in a horrible way is not how I'd be ramming down people's throats of a countries atrocious human rights history. But carry on you weirdo
Does the average joe really care about the morals? Are the dynasties linked to the Chelsea, PSG and City owners any cleaner than the Saudi's? Where do you draw the line?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 09, 2021, 02:11:52 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 09, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 08, 2021, 08:34:39 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on October 08, 2021, 08:25:33 PM
Sunderland should rename the Stadium Of Light "The Jamal Khashoggi Stadium" just to troll Newcastle and the Saudis.
Seriously? Trolling using an assassinated journalist ? Christ the night
Why would you want to protect the feelings of Mohammed Bin Salman and Newcastle United?
Shouldn't Saudi Arabia's grotesque human rights abuses and murderous criminality be continuously rammed down the throats of everybody to do with Newcastle United from now on?
Trolling by using a person who, by all accounts was murdered and disposed off in a horrible way is not how I'd be ramming down people's throats of a countries atrocious human rights history. But carry on you weirdo
It's exactly how NI posters on this forum reference the atrocious carry on of the British Army. By referencing their victims.
You must be very Mary Whitehouse in your outlook on life. Or maybe even Mary Poppins.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 09, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Does the average joe really care about the morals? Are the dynasties linked to the Chelsea, PSG and City owners any cleaner than the Saudi's? Where do you draw the line?
All the same. Add Liverpool, Utd, Arsenal and so on. Same end of the shitty stick. Some just have slightly more billions than the other. I hope Newcastle become the PSG of the English league.
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2021, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 09, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Does the average joe really care about the morals? Are the dynasties linked to the Chelsea, PSG and City owners any cleaner than the Saudi's? Where do you draw the line?
All the same. Add Liverpool, Utd, Arsenal and so on. Same end of the shitty stick. Some just have slightly more billions than the other. I hope Newcastle become the PSG of the English league.
I've always had a soft spot for Newcastle (going back almost 30 years when the club were brilliant to myself and a member of my family) , will definitely be interesting to watch the next few years unfold.
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 09, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Does the average joe really care about the morals? Are the dynasties linked to the Chelsea, PSG and City owners any cleaner than the Saudi's? Where do you draw the line?
Presumably the same people who don't care about the moral atrocity of Saudi Arabia laundering their reputation through sport would claim that they would have been against the apartheid regime doing the same back in the day.
They wouldn't.
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2021, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 09, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Does the average joe really care about the morals? Are the dynasties linked to the Chelsea, PSG and City owners any cleaner than the Saudi's? Where do you draw the line?
All the same. Add Liverpool, Utd, Arsenal and so on. Same end of the shitty stick. Some just have slightly more billions than the other. I hope Newcastle become the PSG of the English league.
Save for the fact that United's leech owners were not welcomed/needed and took ownership in order to take money OUT disadvantaging the club. The other premier league clubs have benefitted from huge cash injections from the corrupt new owners.
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2021, 11:44:28 PM
I hope Newcastle become the PSG of the English league.
Why, because it will be interesting to watch them fail? Loads have enjoyed PSG regular failures in the Champions league and somehow allowing themselves lose the French league to Lille last season.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on October 10, 2021, 02:03:31 AM
Quote from: ONeill on October 09, 2021, 11:44:28 PM
I hope Newcastle become the PSG of the English league.
Why, because it will be interesting to watch them fail? Loads have enjoyed PSG regular failures in the Champions league and somehow allowing themselves lose the French league to Lille last season.
City have failed to win CL on numerous occasions, even lost the league a few times to Chelsea Liverpool and Leicester of all teams...
Quote from: nrico2006 on October 09, 2021, 02:30:44 PM
Does the average joe really care about the morals? Are the dynasties linked to the Chelsea, PSG and City owners any cleaner than the Saudi's? Where do you draw the line?
No matter what the issue or grounds for objection, there is always a "whataboutthis?" waiting in the wings.
Its not always as blatant as when Guardiola went on his Catalonia campaign a few years ago and got Abu Dhabi thrown right back in his face by those who didn't want to hear about the issues concerning Catalans.
Half the shit any of have on us or in our possession at any given time has probably been built on the exploitation and abuse of someone, somewhere.
Not saying we should just say f**k it and helplessly throw up our hands in frustration; you have to draw lines somewhere. But its a fact of life that when you raise some sort of conscientious objection to something, that some fuckwit who'd rather not hear about or give a shit about anything is going to throw something like that back in your face.
Interesting views from Klopp.
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When Liverpool only got the draw against Brentford I didn't foresee any of the other top 4 teams having any trouble against Brentford. However Chelsea are lucky to be 1-0 up after 77 minutes. Brentford have been competitive all game.
Chelsea escaped there. Brentford deserved at least a draw. Mendy saved Chelsea.
All the title contenders win this weekend. It's going to be some race.
Quote from: Capt Pat on October 16, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
When Liverpool only got the draw against Brentford I didn't foresee any of the other top 4 teams having any trouble against Brentford. However Chelsea are lucky to be 1-0 up after 77 minutes. Brentford have been competitive all game.
Some performance from Mendy.
Brentford are a very entertaining and effective throwback.
Love watching them.
They leave it all on the pitch. Their fans couldn't ask for more from them.
Newcastle game stopped. Players away to the tunnel. Someone in the crowd has collapsed.
Looks like a few posters here have bought into Sky's pro-Saudi propaganda.
In reality, there's no difference whatsoever between Mohammed Bin Salman and the murderer of David Amess.
It's just that certain posters here, most of the media, the Premier League and the UK Government think one is an appropriate person to own a football club and the other isn't.
Quote from: sid waddell on October 18, 2021, 01:48:10 PM
Looks like a few posters here have bought into Sky's pro-Saudi propaganda.
In reality, there's no difference whatsoever between Mohammed Bin Salman and the murderer of David Amess.
It's just that certain posters here, most of the media, the Premier League and the UK Government think one is an appropriate person to own a football club and the other isn't.
You can hardly sell the man billions of pounds worth of "defence equipment" and then complain if he wants to own a football club FFS..
Quote from: sid waddell on October 18, 2021, 01:48:10 PM
Looks like a few posters here have bought into Sky's pro-Saudi propaganda.
In reality, there's no difference whatsoever between Mohammed Bin Salman and the murderer of David Amess.
It's just that certain posters here, most of the media, the Premier League and the UK Government think one is an appropriate person to own a football club and the other isn't.
I think it is worse. The Saudi regime involves state sponsored human rights abuses, war crimes and abuse of women.
It's like a narco terrorist, who is worse, those giving the orders or the actual hitman? I would suggest that those at the top are far worse, just that they have the money and power which protects them. In the Newcastle case, it's blatant sportswashing.
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Quote from: sid waddell on October 18, 2021, 01:48:10 PM
Looks like a few posters here have bought into Sky's pro-Saudi propaganda.
In reality, there's no difference whatsoever between Mohammed Bin Salman and the murderer of David Amess.
It's just that certain posters here, most of the media, the Premier League and the UK Government think one is an appropriate person to own a football club and the other isn't.
I think it is worse. The Saudi regime involves state sponsored human rights abuses, war crimes and abuse of women.
It's like a narco terrorist, who is worse, those giving the orders or the actual hitman? I would suggest that those at the top are far worse, just that they have the money and power which protects them. In the Newcastle case, it's blatant sportswashing.
You're right.
I think what happens on Sky over the next while is going to be very interesting. They've seen fit to have a go at Mike Ashley, the Glazers, FSG etc. in the past.
But those are private individuals and widely unpopular with supporters. And they will not fight back to near the same extent as the state sponsored reputation laundering vehicles like Newcastle, Manchester City, Chelsea or PSG.
Ashley, the Glazers and John Henry are small fry by comparison.
So Sky sees it as acceptable to criticise them.
They will NOT go after the real big boys - the Saudi state, the Abu Dhabi city state, the Qatari state, the Russian state (through Putin's buddy Abramovich).
They will NEVER go after the entrenched interests of big gambling in the Premier League.
They will employ Jamie Redknapp to try and make people think Newcastle has been bought by Mary Poppins, without disclosing that Redknapp himself is a business partner of Jamie Reuben, a financier who is a major part of the whole rotten deal.
Sky's coverage yesterday was sickening. It was Goebbels-esque.
All about protecting "investments".
For how this will all play out you simply have to look at the racing on ITV - and how often the owners of horses are not called out because of the money they are pumping in.
Yet an individual, Oisin Murphy, has been called out multiple times over a failed breath test.
No broadcaster has the balls to put their heads above the parapet for fear of it costing them in the long run
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For how this will all play out you simply have to look at the racing on ITV - and how often the owners of horses are not called out because of the money they are pumping in.
Yet an individual, Oisin Murphy, has been called out multiple times over a failed breath test.
No broadcaster has the balls to put their heads above the parapet for fear of it costing them in the long run
Sure it's thr same in all sports, look who's behind Fury in the boxing... Money talks and bullshit walks.
Only one man for the job... Ewan Mackenna!
Palace boss Viera gets punished for being too negative. Palace were 2-1 ahead at Arsenal with 10 minutes to go when Viera brings on a defender for goal scorer Edouard. inevitably Arsenal score with the last kick of the game after Palace stopped playing for the last 10 minutes.
Steve Bruce gone
Quote from: toby47 on October 20, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
Steve Bruce gone
Inevitable. Will it be Lampard or will they actually go out and prove their ambition is higher than that.
I would love it if they got relegated now. Love it.
Latest tweet from Newcastle FC as too many tea-towels on show at the last match!
#NUFC is kindly asking supporters to refrain from wearing traditional Arabic clothing or Middle East-inspired head coverings at matches if they would not ordinarily wear such attire.
Quote from: toby47 on October 20, 2021, 10:40:30 AM
Steve Bruce gone
At least Mark Hughes got a year before the sugar daddy owners at Manchester City got rid of him.
Manchester City out of the league Cup for the first time in five years. Pep let down by a English man in a penalty shootout.
Nuno sacked, Spurs not messing about there, rumours of them trying to get Conte in next
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 01, 2021, 10:12:59 AM
Nuno sacked, Spurs not messing about there, rumours of them trying to get Conte in next
Conte has history with clashing with owners over transfers in the past and I don't think Levy will be one for free spending to get Spurs back to being a top 4 club so I can't see them agreeing a deal to get him. Will probably end up with Howe in until end of the season
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Nuno sacked, Spurs not messing about there, rumours of them trying to get Conte in next
Conte has history with clashing with owners over transfers in the past and I don't think Levy will be one for free spending to get Spurs back to being a top 4 club so I can't see them agreeing a deal to get him. Will probably end up with Howe in until end of the season
I'd be surprised if he was sacked to bring in Howe in fairness.
Dean Smith is on thin ice too.
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 01, 2021, 10:12:59 AM
Nuno sacked, Spurs not messing about there, rumours of them trying to get Conte in next
Three managers Daniel Levy has sacked in three years, is the objective to keep sacking managers until Tottenham win a trophy?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2021, 02:36:09 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on November 01, 2021, 10:12:59 AM
Nuno sacked, Spurs not messing about there, rumours of them trying to get Conte in next
Three managers Daniel Levy has sacked in three years, is the objective to keep sacking managers until Tottenham win a trophy?
For a guy with the reputation of being prudent financially it either costs them an arm and a leg to cover these sackings or he's some serious clauses in his contracts that allows him to cut them lose and not absorb the costs.
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Nuno sacked, Spurs not messing about there, rumours of them trying to get Conte in next
Three managers Daniel Levy has sacked in three years, is the objective to keep sacking managers until Tottenham win a trophy?
For a guy with the reputation of being prudent financially it either costs them an arm and a leg to cover these sackings or he's some serious clauses in his contracts that allows him to cut them lose and not absorb the costs.
Sacking Poch at the time instead of letting him invest and rebuild the squad was absolute madness. Not selling Kane for £150 million doesn't look like it's worked out too well either.
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Nuno sacked, Spurs not messing about there, rumours of them trying to get Conte in next
Three managers Daniel Levy has sacked in three years, is the objective to keep sacking managers until Tottenham win a trophy?
For a guy with the reputation of being prudent financially it either costs them an arm and a leg to cover these sackings or he's some serious clauses in his contracts that allows him to cut them lose and not absorb the costs.
Sacking Poch at the time instead of letting him invest and rebuild the squad was absolute madness. Not selling Kane for £150 million doesn't look like it's worked out too well either.
It was madness. But the deeper-rooted problem is the one that's really frying Levy's head. The established young players who should have been the platform for a rebuild - Alli, Dier, Winks have got rich, got complacent, and nosedived off the cliff. Throw in that N'Dombele's record fee was possibly the worst scouted purchase in history, and it's now 4 successive managers have banged their head off the wall trying to get them back up standard, and 4 successive managers hung out to dry.
Levy's problem is that he will still want a major transfer fee for each. His financial modelling for the club demands players to be sold, for players to be bought. If he would just bite the bullet and cancel their contracts, just to get their half arsed, blame everyone else attitude, out of the club, it would I'm sure reap dividends. This is the future for football clubs. Shorter contracts, cancellation clauses, and negligible transfer fees. Handing over £25m a year to those bad eggs is just madness.
I only watched one game of the truncated Nuno era, the last one v Man U and they were a shambles. It was poor judgement to appoint him in the first place (were they desperate?) but best to shaft him early, the torture would never have stopped. If Conte was available for Man U and they didn't take him up on it, instead going with Ole Gunnar, that would be astonishingly poor judgement.
Antonio Conte to Tottenham confirmed, The contract until June 2023 will be signed tomorrow. He doesn't stay long at any club he manages however normally wins a trophy or two. Tottenham haven't won a trophy for 13 years.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 01, 2021, 11:41:40 PM
Antonio Conte to Tottenham confirmed, The contract until June 2023 will be signed tomorrow. He doesn't stay long at any club he manages however normally wins a trophy or two. Tottenham haven't won a trophy for 13 years.
Spurs have only won the League Cup twice in the last 30 seasons, no other trophy!
I'd be excited if I was a Spurs fan.
A bit like we Liverpool fans were when Klopp was appointed.
Proven winner. Decent football. Excellent coaching.
United should have gone for him.
Fair enough but also a proven track record of being out the door in no time.
Jose was a proven winner.
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
Jose was a proven winner.
Jose was obsolete.
And a demolition man.
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Jose was a proven winner.
Jose was obsolete.
And a demolition man.
A proven winner though....
And if that was the only qualification, he'd still be relevant at the top level.
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Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
Jose was a proven winner.
Jose was obsolete.
And a demolition man.
A proven winner though....
And if that was the only qualification, he'd still be relevant at the top level.
I think Tottenham was the only club Mourinho didn't win a trophy for and levy decided to sack him a few days before the league Cup final.
Quote from: J70 on November 02, 2021, 01:07:45 PM
I'd be excited if I was a Spurs fan.
A bit like we Liverpool fans were when Klopp was appointed.
Proven winner. Decent football. Excellent coaching.
United should have gone for him.
Not sure if i would be, as the structure of the club hasnt changed. If the right investment materialised then maybe...
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Quote from: J70 on November 02, 2021, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
Jose was a proven winner.
Jose was obsolete.
And a demolition man.
A proven winner though....
And if that was the only qualification, he'd still be relevant at the top level.
If Conte doesn't win with spurs, does that mean he's not relevant?
Also as he's going to Spurs, does that automatically indicate he is no longer seen as top level? Especially as the Barca job is there.
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 03:43:01 PM
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Quote from: J70 on November 02, 2021, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
Jose was a proven winner.
Jose was obsolete.
And a demolition man.
A proven winner though....
And if that was the only qualification, he'd still be relevant at the top level.
If Conte doesn't win with spurs, does that mean he's not relevant?
Also as he's going to Spurs, does that automatically indicate he is no longer seen as top level? Especially as the Barca job is there.
I would still see him as a top level manager. Problem is only English teams can afford him. He was too dear for Barca and United's board were afraid of him rocking the boat too much. He hadn't that options available to him. I'm not convinced it'll be a success at Spurs but he'll improve things.
Barcelona don't have big money to throw around anymore, signing Luke De Jong when Messi left an example
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 03:43:01 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 02, 2021, 02:30:02 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: J70 on November 02, 2021, 01:24:52 PM
Quote from: thebigfella on November 02, 2021, 01:23:38 PM
Jose was a proven winner.
Jose was obsolete.
And a demolition man.
A proven winner though....
And if that was the only qualification, he'd still be relevant at the top level.
If Conte doesn't win with spurs, does that mean he's not relevant?
Also as he's going to Spurs, does that automatically indicate he is no longer seen as top level? Especially as the Barca job is there.
What's your point? If you think Conte is over-rated or not a top manager or is on a par with Mourinho, go ahead and argue that.
Barca are in a mess and not currently an attractive proposition for any top level manager as they can't afford to compete for top players, either in terms of transfer fees or wages.
None of the other top level jobs in football are currently vacant, with only, arguably, United coming up in the short term, and they seem to be content with Solksjaer for now.
Conte's short term job at Spurs will be to get them challenging for top four. Challenging for a league or champions league with them is as far off for them as it was when Klopp took over Liverpool.
But he did recently take a limited Inter squad to Serie A champions, whereas Mourinho hasn't exactly challenged for a title since before the Chelsea job imploded on him once again in 2015. And that's despite getting another elite club job right after that and being in steady work most of the time since.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 02, 2021, 03:56:26 PM
Barcelona don't have big money to throw around anymore, signing Luke De Jong when Messi left an example
Yeah so what's the motivation, staying relevant and winning trophies which he would have a better chance at Barca? or cold hard cash?
Of course multi millionaire Conte's managerial talent would demand a high salary, but he's also highly ambitious, a manager who could step into Man U/Liverpool/Man City and sensible fans would be awash with optimism. So why Spurs? He hasn't really committed himself with 18 months. I don't think he trusts them yet. He's going to improve the Spurs team performance and If Spurs don't provide the support he requires he'll leave. If Spurs do support him and he's making good progress, they would be mad not to renew his contract.
Daniel Farke sacked by Norwich after they got a good away win against Brentford.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 06, 2021, 07:52:42 PM
Daniel Farke sacked by Norwich after they got a good away win against Brentford.
He went out on a high.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 06, 2021, 07:52:42 PM
Daniel Farke sacked by Norwich after they got a good away win against Brentford.
apparently they're set to appoint Chris wilder, is he a step up from Daniel farke?
I am not sure he is but they need to do something.
Won't be Chris Wilder anyways as he has gone to Middlesbrough.
Aston Villa sack Dean Smith.
Handy one for Liverpool, going with a 2-1 win, Mane anytime scorer.
Good start for the bet so far
f**k that for a game of darts!
West Ham go above Liverpool! City the big winners this weekend
A good start to the season for David Moyes and West Ham. Both Manchester clubs dumped out of the cup and today hand Liverpool their first defeat of the season and leapfrog them in the table.
6 teams have a positive goal difference
Youre welcome
Anyone else get annoyed at the channel jumpin with all the pundits. Used to be yer man was bbc other man was itv now its a free for all.
Or am i just a grumpy old man
Looks like they're stuck for options.
Robbie Savage is director of football for Macclesfield town?? What does he know about football?
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 08, 2021, 08:46:48 AM
Robbie Savage is director of football for Macclesfield town?? What does he know about football?
Macclesfield FC now, was listening to him and the owner the other day, seems like they have their act together and it's working out well, obviously it could all go tits up
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 07, 2021, 11:09:14 PM
Anyone else get annoyed at the channel jumpin with all the pundits. Used to be yer man was bbc other man was itv now its a free for all.
Or am i just a grumpy old man
No, I don't listen to any of cnuts anyways, especially Roy Keane and Micah Richards. Two dopes.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 07, 2021, 11:09:14 PM
Anyone else get annoyed at the channel jumpin with all the pundits. Used to be yer man was bbc other man was itv now its a free for all.
Or am i just a grumpy old man
You're right. It's the same individuals moonlighting across channels. One minute they're on sky or BT for live matches- next night they're on the BBC highlights show.
Quote from: laoislad on November 08, 2021, 10:41:36 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 07, 2021, 11:09:14 PM
Anyone else get annoyed at the channel jumpin with all the pundits. Used to be yer man was bbc other man was itv now its a free for all.
Or am i just a grumpy old man
No, I don't listen to any of cnuts anyways, especially Roy Keane and Micah Richards. Two dopes.
Keane works off the same script every week. Man U games are a form of counselling for him at this stage. Richards is over excitable and not very insightful.
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 07, 2021, 11:09:14 PM
Anyone else get annoyed at the channel jumpin with all the pundits. Used to be yer man was bbc other man was itv now its a free for all.
Or am i just a grumpy old man
No, I don't listen to any of cnuts anyways, especially Roy Keane and Micah Richards. Two dopes.
Keane works off the same script every week. Man U games are a form of counselling for him at this stage. Richards is over excitable and not very insightful.
I find Richard terrible. Joking and laughing makes him likeable enough but his knowledge of ot game is terrible.
Dean Smith with the chop yesterday too. Although i'm sad about that, i'm not surprised by it at all. Now, if this position goes to Gerrard as per bookies odds i will be totally gutted.
If Dean Smith has been sacked in the name of progress then ok. Some of the names i have seen mentioned do not represent progress to me.
Richards genuinely one of the worse pundits out there - offers little but a laugh.
Times i think hes only there as the class jester type, they"ll say somethin funny Micah will add to it or just do his laugh and sure we'll all have a laugh....
To be honest I generally turn over when half time is on and once the game is over I switch off. There is very little they are saying that will make me want to watch them, I'm only interested in game itself. I can make my own assessment of the game (rightly or wrongly)
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2021, 01:51:10 PM
To be honest I generally turn over when half time is on and once the game is over I switch off. There is very little they are saying that will make me want to watch them, I'm only interested in game itself. I can make my own assessment of the game (rightly or wrongly)
Yes same here, the controversial stuff get to me 2nd hand through Twitter, Balls.ie, facebook, Whatsapp etc
The analysis on Saturday was ridiculous - focus was more on Utd rather than a dominant City display.
More about how lazy Utd players were
Then Keane got into it with some bai outside the stadium.
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Then Keane got into it with some bai outside the stadium.
Aye what was that about? Hard to hear on that video
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Then Keane got into it with some bai outside the stadium.
Did the bai not get stuck into Keane first?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on November 08, 2021, 01:51:10 PM
To be honest I generally turn over when half time is on and once the game is over I switch off. There is very little they are saying that will make me want to watch them, I'm only interested in game itself. I can make my own assessment of the game (rightly or wrongly)
Yes same here, the controversial stuff get to me 2nd hand through Twitter, Balls.ie, facebook, Whatsapp etc
Yeah havin said that i do too lol. Watched tail end of motd2 last nite first boyo i seen was Micah which prompted my post. Keanes v entertaining just now tho hes threatening to go too far.
Duno what the Keane spat was about if you listen v carefully he could be called an absolute p***k but not necessarily by the boy hes jarrin...
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Quote from: lurganblue on November 08, 2021, 02:53:47 PM
Then Keane got into it with some bai outside the stadium.
Did the bai not get stuck into Keane first?
I'm not so sure. I think Keane was giving out about something and then the bai started saying "why you have to be like that?", keane is all, "like what?", and yer man basicallys says he's acting the ballix. I may be totally wrong there though cos the start is hard to make out.
Saw some on twitter say that someone had a whole load of jerseys to sign with plates in place to support him signing, and that they were to be sold. And that's what Roy was annoyed about. No idea if it's true.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 07, 2021, 06:42:03 PM
A good start to the season for David Moyes and West Ham. Both Manchester clubs dumped out of the cup and today hand Liverpool their first defeat of the season and leapfrog them in the table.
Could this defeat be a watershed of sorts for Liverpool? It highlighted I think how quite thin their squad is and how ordinary enough they are in midfield (Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain anyone?). As bonkers though it sounds, I think MU could finish ahead of Liverpool this season. Salah not withstanding, United have a better attack, slight edge to 'pool in midfield, and much greater advantage to them in defence. Klopp light years ahead as a manager. Still, MU should get a good bounce when OGS gets the inevitable chop.
You're on the wind up ;D
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 07, 2021, 06:42:03 PM
A good start to the season for David Moyes and West Ham. Both Manchester clubs dumped out of the cup and today hand Liverpool their first defeat of the season and leapfrog them in the table.
Could this defeat be a watershed of sorts for Liverpool? It highlighted I think how quite thin their squad is and how ordinary enough they are in midfield (Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain anyone?). As bonkers though it sounds, I think MU could finish ahead of Liverpool this season. Salah not withstanding, United have a better attack, slight edge to 'pool in midfield, and much greater advantage to them in defence. Klopp light years ahead as a manager. Still, MU should get a good bounce when OGS gets the inevitable chop.
Much greater advantage to them in defence?
Would take some collapse from Liverpool for that to happen. Manchester United will likely be double figures off 4th by the time they sack Solskjaer and its a bit much to expect Brendan Rodgers (if appointed) to get a bounce when he blew Leicester Citys top 4 chances the last two seasons.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 07, 2021, 06:42:03 PM
A good start to the season for David Moyes and West Ham. Both Manchester clubs dumped out of the cup and today hand Liverpool their first defeat of the season and leapfrog them in the table.
Could this defeat be a watershed of sorts for Liverpool? It highlighted I think how quite thin their squad is and how ordinary enough they are in midfield (Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain anyone?). As bonkers though it sounds, I think MU could finish ahead of Liverpool this season. Salah not withstanding, United have a better attack, slight edge to 'pool in midfield, and much greater advantage to them in defence. Klopp light years ahead as a manager. Still, MU should get a good bounce when OGS gets the inevitable chop.
You arent getting many bites with this...
Chelsea v Burnley 1-1
Tuchel V Sean Dyche - no contest.
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Quote from: Captain Obvious on November 07, 2021, 06:42:03 PM
A good start to the season for David Moyes and West Ham. Both Manchester clubs dumped out of the cup and today hand Liverpool their first defeat of the season and leapfrog them in the table.
Could this defeat be a watershed of sorts for Liverpool? It highlighted I think how quite thin their squad is and how ordinary enough they are in midfield (Henderson, Oxlade-Chamberlain anyone?). As bonkers though it sounds, I think MU could finish ahead of Liverpool this season. Salah not withstanding, United have a better attack, slight edge to 'pool in midfield, and much greater advantage to them in defence. Klopp light years ahead as a manager. Still, MU should get a good bounce when OGS gets the inevitable chop.
Much greater advantage to them in defence?
Would take some collapse from Liverpool for that to happen. Manchester United will likely be double figures off 4th by the time they sack Solskjaer and its a bit much to expect Brendan Rodgers (if appointed) to get a bounce when he blew Leicester Citys top 4 chances the last two seasons.
To clarify, I mean Liverpool have a slight current advantage in midfield and a large advantage in defence. But if you compare match day 22 to 22, it's not hard to argue that MU are at least equal in squad depth, and a stark illustration of how under-achieving they are currently. A new manager would surely improve things quite quickly. Liverpool have the most draws of the top 6 and are probably more reliant on one attacker on his own than any of their immediate rivals. Firmino is now injured for a while and like MU, their keeper has now got a dose of the wobblies. Put another way, I think 'pool are closer to the chasing pack than the top 2 because they haven't the resources of Chelsea or City. Positions 3 - 4 will be a real dogfight this season as West Ham, Arsenal, Spurs, MU (assuming new manager) and Liverpool will all be fighting it out.
Quote from: lurganblue on November 08, 2021, 12:24:19 PM
Dean Smith with the chop yesterday too. Although i'm sad about that, i'm not surprised by it at all. Now, if this position goes to Gerrard as per bookies odds i will be totally gutted.
If Dean Smith has been sacked in the name of progress then ok. Some of the names i have seen mentioned do not represent progress to me.
Going by all the news outlets it looks like this is about to come to pass. Sure what do i know... I wanted Lambert at the time and look how that turned out.
Gerrard clearly feels he cant go from Rangers to Liverpool and needs something else in between.
If Gerrard leaves the Gers mid season he'll not be a popular boyo in the same way Brodge isnt loved by the Celts
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 10, 2021, 09:21:56 AM
If Gerrard leaves the Gers mid season he'll not be a popular boyo in the same way Brodge isnt loved by the Celts
Surely with their current financial mess they would welcome the compensation that would come a long with poaching a manager mid season?
Quote from: NAG1 on November 10, 2021, 09:32:05 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 10, 2021, 09:21:56 AM
If Gerrard leaves the Gers mid season he'll not be a popular boyo in the same way Brodge isnt loved by the Celts
Surely with their current financial mess they would welcome the compensation that would come a long with poaching a manager mid season?
Again, paper talk says comp would be about 3m. Not a massive amount in football but maybe it is to Rangers.
https://www.football365.com/news/pif-disappointed-unattractive-newcastle-united-they-want-another-team (https://www.football365.com/news/pif-disappointed-unattractive-newcastle-united-they-want-another-team)
Unbelievable. Buyers regret after a month.
Stevie G to Villa confirmed. Best of luck to him. Massive step up from the piss poor SPL though.
Quote from: laoislad on November 11, 2021, 10:05:33 AM
Stevie G to Villa confirmed. Best of luck to him. Massive step up from the piss poor SPL though.
Will Rangers implode now? I reckon he'll do reasonably ok at Villa unfortunately.
More proof that the SPL is just a stepping stone for managers. Learn their trade there and jump ship when an offer from the PL comes up.
The fact that it looks like his whole backroom team is coming with him is a huge plus. There is a lot work needed at Villa but he will be backed in Jan no doubt.
So, Romain Molina....discuss.
Some serious serious allegations bein fired around, mostly European teams but some Prem teams/players.
Far too many revelations to list here
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 19, 2021, 11:11:44 AM
So, Romain Molina....discuss.
Some serious serious allegations bein fired around, mostly European teams but some Prem teams/players.
Far too many revelations to list here
Give us a bit more than that to go on lol
https://twitter.com/DznFuti/status/1461617556314210305?s=20
https://twitter.com/SRFC_Infinity35/status/1461469112723513355?s=20
https://twitter.com/__Txp/status/1461640057857581058?s=20
In summary: the world's most popular sport has a sprinkling of wrong 'uns among its tens of thousands of professional players, and a tendency towards greed and backhanders among some of its senior administrators.
It's about as groundbreaking as a light entertainment show on BBC NI.
Benjamin Mendy seems to be a lunatic..2 more charges against him
Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
In summary: the world's most popular sport has a sprinkling of wrong 'uns among its tens of thousands of professional players, and a tendency towards greed and backhanders among some of its senior administrators.
It's about as groundbreaking as a light entertainment show on BBC NI.
Funny ive never saw mass rape or sh1ttin in peoples mouths on bbc but maybe im just watching at the wrong time
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
In summary: the world's most popular sport has a sprinkling of wrong 'uns among its tens of thousands of professional players, and a tendency towards greed and backhanders among some of its senior administrators.
It's about as groundbreaking as a light entertainment show on BBC NI.
Funny ive never saw mass rape or sh1ttin in peoples mouths on bbc but maybe im just watching at the wrong time
Looks like Stacey Dooley and Louis Theroux have some new material to investigate.
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Quote from: thewobbler on November 19, 2021, 12:34:40 PM
In summary: the world's most popular sport has a sprinkling of wrong 'uns among its tens of thousands of professional players, and a tendency towards greed and backhanders among some of its senior administrators.
It's about as groundbreaking as a light entertainment show on BBC NI.
Funny ive never saw mass rape or sh1ttin in peoples mouths on bbc but maybe im just watching at the wrong time
Big Nolan talks a lot of shit on TV ;)
This stuff has being going on for years, coaches have been done in the past and hopefully more will get caught, the vile bastards put themselves in positions to look after kids for a reason!! With the cricket thing going on at the minute it seems that there is plenty of people looking to get this information trending!
Mendy must be warped
I'm sure there will be a lot more to come out of this, any players with skeletons in their cupboards will be hoping their names don't pop up
Impressive stuff from Chelsea.
Could have been a cricket score if the likes of Chilwell could time their runs a bit better.
It will be interesting to see how Stevie G gets on.
Great start for Stevie G
Lots of goals in the Premier League today.Couple of teams scoring 4 goals even...
Quote from: laoislad on November 20, 2021, 07:27:00 PM
Lots of goals in the Premier League today.Couple of teams scoring 4 goals even...
MOTD the best show on TV, wkds like this!
Liverpool thrashing Arsenal who were on the back of a 10 match unbeaten run shows where the power is. There are 3 top teams -Man City, Chelsea, Liverpool, a mediocre 3 to fill the top 6- Spurs, United, the Arse ( who can't beat the top 3) and everyone else.
Last season's final day when Leicester lost 4th place was another sign. The rest have no hope.
The difference between the top 3 and the next 3 concerns owners. Owners who spend and owners who won't.
Not sure about that last line...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 21, 2021, 09:05:21 AM
Not sure about that last line...
Exactly, it's nonsense regarding Liverpool, whose owners put nothing into the transfer kitty apart from profits earned by the club. Which of course is better than the situation at United where the owners take some profits for themselves every year (although still end up with a bigger transfer kitty). But completely different to the situation at City in particular who's owners continue to plough in the money. RomanA obviously ploughed in hundreds of millions to get Chelsea to the top, but I think he stopped in recent years.
The key is buying the right players with the money and then deploying them appropriately on the pitch.
Quote from: Hound on November 21, 2021, 10:48:28 AM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on November 21, 2021, 09:05:21 AM
Not sure about that last line...
Exactly, it's nonsense regarding Liverpool, whose owners put nothing into the transfer kitty apart from profits earned by the club. Which of course is better than the situation at United where the owners take some profits for themselves every year (although still end up with a bigger transfer kitty). But completely different to the situation at City in particular who's owners continue to plough in the money. RomanA obviously ploughed in hundreds of millions to get Chelsea to the top, but I think he stopped in recent years.
The key is buying the right players with the money and then deploying them appropriately on the pitch.
100% correct with your last line Hound.
The key for Everton, WHU and whoever else is the chasing pack, is not to squander the budget on top 6 cast offs e.g. more Souceks, fewer Iwobis.
The key for Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal not to squander their big investments in the players with the wrong mentality / lack of drive to succeed e.g more Manes, fewer NDombeles.
The key for meagwealthy City, Chelsea and United is to maintain a balanced squad so that when they inevitably sack a manager, their successor isn't left with no choice but to play underperforming players / players in the wrong position.
United have been making a mess of this for years. Look at their bench yesterday. Over a million pound and a half a week in wages out the door, and not one of them fit to challenge for starting position.
City handy enough...
The level the top three are playing at is phenomenal
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City handy enough...
The level the top three are playing at is phenomenal
the results against each other will go a long way to decide the league, they're miles ahead of everyone else
The only goal I saw yesterday was West Ham's one to win. It deserved to be a winning goal even though the keeper got his two hands to it.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on December 05, 2021, 12:25:08 PM
The only goal I saw yesterday was West Ham's one to win. It deserved to be a winning goal even though the keeper got his two hands to it.
Complete fluke in my opinion.
He was attempting a cross. Looked like it might have clipped the defender the way it spun and dipped so quickly.
Not complaining mind you. I was watching it live, and let out a roar as it helps Liverpool.
What yous think of the goal ruled out by VAR and the the ref in the Villa game. I am of course biased but i cant get on board with Schmeichel having control of the ball.
But then watching MOTD last night and they put up the wording of the rule...
According to Law 12 of the Laws of the Game as regulated by the International Football Association Board, 'a goalkeeper is control of the ball if the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface' such as the ground or his own body.
A keeper is also considered to be in control of the ball 'by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save'
Sure that's as clear as muddy water considering he was trying to gather the ball after it rebounded off him, having made a save.
Quote from: lurganblue on December 06, 2021, 11:35:10 AM
What yous think of the goal ruled out by VAR and the the ref in the Villa game. I am of course biased but i cant get on board with Schmeichel having control of the ball.
But then watching MOTD last night and they put up the wording of the rule...
According to Law 12 of the Laws of the Game as regulated by the International Football Association Board, 'a goalkeeper is control of the ball if the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface' such as the ground or his own body.
A keeper is also considered to be in control of the ball 'by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save'
Sure that's as clear as muddy water considering he was trying to gather the ball after it rebounded off him, having made a save.
The worst part of it all was Schmeichel pretending he got kicked in the hand, when there was no contact at all. Ramsey kicked nothing but the ball.
Quote from: shark on December 06, 2021, 11:41:53 AM
Quote from: lurganblue on December 06, 2021, 11:35:10 AM
What yous think of the goal ruled out by VAR and the the ref in the Villa game. I am of course biased but i cant get on board with Schmeichel having control of the ball.
But then watching MOTD last night and they put up the wording of the rule...
According to Law 12 of the Laws of the Game as regulated by the International Football Association Board, 'a goalkeeper is control of the ball if the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface' such as the ground or his own body.
A keeper is also considered to be in control of the ball 'by touching it with any part of the hands or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save'
Sure that's as clear as muddy water considering he was trying to gather the ball after it rebounded off him, having made a save.
The worst part of it all was Schmeichel pretending he got kicked in the hand, when there was no contact at all. Ramsey kicked nothing but the ball.
I thought it was harsh to overturn that goal.
If Schmeichel had it hand on the ball, it was a split second at best and hard to see how they could have decided that he was in control of it..
Fine strike by Gray to win that match for Everton.
Raul Jiminez will be feeling fairly foolish and embarrassed right about now. And his team mates should be raging with him.
About as dumb and unnecessary a red card as you'll ever see.
I don't give a bollocks how hard done by you feel for the initial card. Its utter stupidity to do what he did.
Quote from: J70 on December 11, 2021, 01:28:42 PM
Raul Jiminez will be feeling fairly foolish and embarrassed right about now. And his team mates should be raging with him.
About as dumb and unnecessary a red card as you'll ever see.
I don't give a bollocks how hard done by you feel for the initial card. Its utter stupidity to do what he did.
Nuts and giving away a penalty too, why wave your hands in the air in the box for a cross?
Not a penalty but probably shouldn't have had his arm up like that.
That is a joke of a penalty.
Without var you could maybe understand it.
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
He does seem grouchy the day alright.
Quote from: Boycey on December 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
I've backed them today, hopefully they'll find a way
All top 3 getting penalties today to go in front
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Quote from: Boycey on December 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
I've backed them today, hopefully they'll find a way
Good bet.
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Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
I've backed them today, hopefully they'll find a way
Good bet.
It wasn't a given!! I backed top three and Munich.. all teams struggled to a win
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 04:27:46 PM
All top 3 getting penalties today to go in front
Brentford, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd getting a hand. Liverpool and City Penalties were tough calls.
Brentford penalty - attacker made the most of a challenge that was going to miss man and ball.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 04:27:46 PM
All top 3 getting penalties today to go in front
Brentford, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd getting a hand. Liverpool and City Penalties were tough calls.
Brentford penalty - attacker made the most of a challenge that was going to miss man and ball.
Should Villa have got a penalty?
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 11, 2021, 04:27:46 PM
All top 3 getting penalties today to go in front
Brentford, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City and Man Utd getting a hand. Liverpool and City Penalties were tough calls.
Brentford penalty - attacker made the most of a challenge that was going to miss man and ball.
Should Villa have got a penalty?
Probably yes. I think Salah has bought his pen too, a bit like Kane did against villa last season. I've no complaints that was given though cos I'd have been calling for it if the shoe was on the other foot.
I don't get the debate over the Salah penalty at all. It was a stone wall penalty.
Benfica v Real Madrid
Villarreal v Manchester City
Atletico Madrid v Bayern Munich
Red Bull Salzburg v Liverpool
Inter Milan v Ajax
Sporting Lisbon v Juventus
Chelsea v Lille
PSG v Manchester United
Will that draw stand though???
Quote from: screenexile on December 13, 2021, 12:28:08 PM
Will that draw stand though???
To be fair they did make an absolute balls of it.
Quote from: screenexile on December 13, 2021, 12:28:08 PM
Will that draw stand though???
It shouldn't it was a invalid draw.
Quote from: Dire Ear on December 13, 2021, 12:00:49 PM
Benfica v Real Madrid
Villarreal v Manchester City
Atletico Madrid v Bayern Munich
Red Bull Salzburg v Liverpool
Inter Milan v Ajax
Sporting Lisbon v Juventus
Chelsea v Lille
PSG v Manchester United
The re draw
Paris Saint German v Real Madrid
RB Salzburg v FC Bayern
Sporting CP v Manchester City
Benfica v Ajax
Chelsea v Lille
Atletico Madrid v Manchester United
Villarreal v Juve
Inter v Liverpool
Some luck for Chelsea to get that draw a second time. Florentino Pérez will be fuming.
I'm looking 6 or more goals tonight at Anfield....
City racked up a big score and I expect the same tonight, 5.5 goals 4/1!
Has to be a coincidence that 2 "tactical gurus" suddenly have a lot of free time to work on their tactics without the distraction of games . . .
:o :o
So how long are they going to suspend the league for?
Its coming.
Good to see ex players score at their old grounds
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 16, 2021, 08:11:53 PM
Good to see ex players score at their old grounds
Jonjo Shelvey has now netted more Premier League goals in six matches against Liverpool at Anfield (two) than in 41 matches for Liverpool (one).
At least there is one match to watch, The thing about Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in.
(https://i.ibb.co/t4y9X77/Screenshot-20211218-162802-2.png) (https://ibb.co/80FHcWW)
I wouldnt like to be that young interpreter when he gets to tell Biesla that hes been fired 🙊😃
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 18, 2021, 07:26:04 PM
I wouldnt like to be that young interpreter when he gets to tell Biesla that hes been fired 🙊😃
It's OK they've a handy one on boxing day
Wonder will " covid " hit the camp this week ??
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on December 18, 2021, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 18, 2021, 07:26:04 PM
I wouldnt like to be that young interpreter when he gets to tell Biesla that hes been fired 🙊😃
It's OK they've a handy one on boxing day
Wonder will " covid " hit the camp this week ??
What's Boxing Day?
A lot of rumours of matches going back behind closed doors from next week, matches just aren't the same with no crowd so hopefully this isn't the case.
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I wouldnt like to be that young interpreter when he gets to tell Biesla that hes been fired 🙊😃
It's OK they've a handy one on boxing day
Wonder will " covid " hit the camp this week ??
What's Boxing Day?
Pool away methinks
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I wouldnt like to be that young interpreter when he gets to tell Biesla that hes been fired 🙊😃
It's OK they've a handy one on boxing day
Wonder will " covid " hit the camp this week ??
What's Boxing Day?
Work with a girl from Donegal. She says they would always call it Boxing Day?
Jesus!! It's worse than the poppy thread, Boxing Day St Stephens day, only a brainless twat would worry about it.
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I wouldnt like to be that young interpreter when he gets to tell Biesla that hes been fired 🙊😃
It's OK they've a handy one on boxing day
Wonder will " covid " hit the camp this week ??
What's Boxing Day?
Work with a girl from Donegal. She says they would always call it Boxing Day?
That's my memory too. Its easier to say anyway.
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I wouldnt like to be that young interpreter when he gets to tell Biesla that hes been fired 🙊😃
It's OK they've a handy one on boxing day
Wonder will " covid " hit the camp this week ??
What's Boxing Day?
Work with a girl from Donegal. She says they would always call it Boxing Day?
That's my memory too. Its easier to say anyway.
Not in a million years would I ever have heard it called that where I'm from...
Anyways moving on..City 1 up already.
Hardly heard anybody call it St Stephens day. Boxing Day all the way.
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 19, 2021, 02:34:18 PM
Hardly heard anybody call it St Stephens day. Boxing Day all the way.
Its more of a UK thing then I suppose.
Horses for courses....
Talking about games played in the English league between English teams Boxing Day is fine. If youre talking about Wren Boys it'd be Stephens Day.
It does give some people the opportunity to reinforce their Irishness though
Man City cruising here, thought Newcastle should have had a penalty though.
Quote from: laoislad on December 19, 2021, 02:40:07 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on December 19, 2021, 02:34:18 PM
Hardly heard anybody call it St Stephens day. Boxing Day all the way.
Its more of a UK thing then I suppose.
Given that Ireland is so desperate to get away from the shackles of the Catholic Church, its curious how some are so keen to hang on to the name St Stephens Day.
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Hardly heard anybody call it St Stephens day. Boxing Day all the way.
Its more of a UK thing then I suppose.
Given that Ireland is so desperate to get away from the shackles of the Catholic Church, its curious how some are so keen to hang on to the name St Stephens Day.
It's also curious how easy it is to wind people up about it 😂 I just call it the 26th myself...
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 19, 2021, 09:44:30 AM
Jesus!! It's worse than the poppy thread, Boxing Day St Stephens day, only a brainless twat would worry about it.
Funnily enough.....
Wolves are a hard team to break down
Great chance for Liverpool to go 5 points clear of Chelsea.
Quote from: Boycey on December 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
Yes
Quote from: Gael85 on December 19, 2021, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: Boycey on December 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
Yes
He has every right to complain about the two decisions today. Kane should not be on the pitch and as stone wall a peno as you will ever see not given.
Quote from: Gael85 on December 19, 2021, 05:10:50 PM
Quote from: Boycey on December 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
Yes
Rightly so today
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Quote from: Boycey on December 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
Yes
He has every right to complain about the two decisions today. Kane should not be on the pitch and as stone wall a peno as you will ever see not given.
Not seen the peno but u or him don't understand VAR if u don't know why Kane wasn't sent off
Yes a red card for Kane but Kopp loses the plot in a lot of games.
Manchester City will spend Christmas Day top of the Premier League for a third time, also doing so in 2011-12 and 2017-18, two seasons in which they went on to win the competition.
Looks like a full round of fixtures gonna be called off for Covid? Don't want already stretched squads playing 3 times in a week
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Quote from: Boycey on December 11, 2021, 03:51:21 PM
Don't see too many Liverpool games but is Klopp allowed harangue the officials like this every week...
Yes
He has every right to complain about the two decisions today. Kane should not be on the pitch and as stone wall a peno as you will ever see not given.
Not seen the peno but u or him don't understand VAR if u don't know why Kane wasn't sent off
Care to enlighten us?
16 % of players in the Premier League not vaccinated https://t.co/GIOAOhncP8
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 20, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
16 % of players in the Premier League not vaccinated https://t.co/GIOAOhncP8
That is also lower than I thought it would be. I thought there was more hesitancy amongst them due to a fear it could effect their fitness.
Mendy charged with 7th rape. Horny big so and so.
Gone v quiet on the Gylfi story havent heard anything in ages
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 22, 2021, 02:12:07 PM
Mendy charged with 7th rape. Horny big so and so.
Gone v quiet on the Gylfi story havent heard anything in ages
Wise the f**k up.
Excuse me?
Ferran Torres joining Barcelona. Thought City would have wanted to keep him .
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12502234/ferran-torres-barcelona-agree-55m-transfer-deal-to-sign-man-city-forward
Quote from: rodney trotter on December 22, 2021, 06:30:48 PM
Ferran Torres joining Barcelona. Thought City would have wanted to keep him .
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/12502234/ferran-torres-barcelona-agree-55m-transfer-deal-to-sign-man-city-forward
Pep more or less said a couple of weeks ago they wanted to keep him but it's down to the player. Hopefully Pep is planning to go back there next year.
I didn't see that ,but yeah it would be good if Pep goes back to Barcelona one day. It's a big coup for Barcelona.
Great business by City.
Some gurning by the PL players on player welfare, it's a tough job
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 23, 2021, 12:34:28 PM
Some gurning by the PL players on player welfare, it's a tough job
My heart is bleeding for them.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on December 22, 2021, 02:12:07 PM
Mendy charged with 7th rape. Horny big so and so.
Gone v quiet on the Gylfi story havent heard anything in ages
The ice man is out of contract in the summer.
Hopefully the PL players get through the festive period unscathed considering their workload
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
Hopefully the PL players get through the festive period unscathed considering their workload
I think we should start a go fund me for them
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
Hopefully the PL players get through the festive period unscathed considering their workload
I think we should start a go fund me for them
They play for (max) 16/17 years and retire, they have personal trainers, dieticians, physios, health care beyond comparison (haven't got to their millions yet) lauded and adored by their fans, opportunities throughout their (short lived) career to pick up other media skills to extend their worth after they retire (around 34) and on top of all that they get paid millions!!
Typical wage of a league two player is over £100 grand a year.
So playing football over Xmas isn't the same for a nurse working 3 12 hour shift through Xmas in a Covid ward. Player Welfare? Feck aff
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/26/sports/soccer/daniel-sturridge-dog.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/26/sports/soccer/daniel-sturridge-dog.html)
Daniel Sturridge, an English soccer star, has been ordered to pay $30,000 to a Los Angeles man who found the player's missing dog in 2019 and who went to court to recoup a reward he said he had been denied for the Pomeranian's return.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on December 26, 2021, 11:23:34 AM
Hopefully the PL players get through the festive period unscathed considering their workload
I think we should start a go fund me for them
They play for (max) 16/17 years and retire, they have personal trainers, dieticians, physios, health care beyond comparison (haven't got to their millions yet) lauded and adored by their fans, opportunities throughout their (short lived) career to pick up other media skills to extend their worth after they retire (around 34) and on top of all that they get paid millions!!
Typical wage of a league two player is over £100 grand a year.
So playing football over Xmas isn't the same for a nurse working 3 12 hour shift through Xmas in a Covid ward. Player Welfare? Feck aff
One of the worst things about the western world's modern predilection for sanitised, inoffensive and non-judgemental comment, is that any journalist who rightly calls them out for being a pampered, lazy, detached-from-reality, and exceptionally greedy shower of bastards, runs the risk of a career-finishing backlash from the mental health police.
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
Quote from: hoynevalley on December 28, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
Looking like a 0-0 at this rate
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Quote from: hoynevalley on December 28, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
Looking like a 0-0 at this rate
Unfortunately not.
22/1 now
The 3 horse race is fast becoming a one horse race. :o
Quote from: hoynevalley on December 28, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
Keep the tips coming horse
This Covid is causing havoc on fixtures.. should just null and void the season...
I think the players welfare needs looked at, Leicester playing too many games without a break, god love them.
Quote from: hoynevalley on December 28, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
great tipping 👍
Quote from: SHEEDY on December 29, 2021, 12:05:35 AM
Quote from: hoynevalley on December 28, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
great tipping 👍
Id be curious to know how many teams have ever won 9 0 away in the history of the Prem. Fcukitt add in the 80odd yrs before that. Like Sheedy says great tipping ill keep me eye out for ye in future
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Quote from: SHEEDY on December 29, 2021, 12:05:35 AM
Quote from: hoynevalley on December 28, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
great tipping 👍
Id be curious to know how many teams have ever won 9 0 away in the history of the Prem. Fcukitt add in the 80odd yrs before that. Like Sheedy says great tipping ill keep me eye out for ye in future
Corners.... If ya want to back Liverpool on something it's corners. Even money on 11 corners last night in the game. Liverpool had 12 by themselves.
Quote from: hoynevalley on December 28, 2021, 08:00:58 PM
--Expect Liverpool to beat Leicester handy tonight. Have the couple days extra rest and Leicester with 2 clean sheets all year and playing 2 midfielder at centre half back tonight. Stuck a sneaky fiver on pool to win 9-0. Leicester could pool b side last week. Could be long night for Peader Schmeichel wee lad. Rogers to be sacked after game.
0:4 14/1
0:5 25/1
0:6 50/1
0:7 90/1
:D :D what were the odds on a home 1 nil.
City struggled and Chelsea could only manage a draw.
If City play like that against better teams they'll drop points
City looking to drop points today, I wonder will the other clubs feel they are still out of it, if they lose
Is this another team in arsenal shirts?? Actually a bit of fight in them.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 01, 2022, 01:40:59 PM
Is this another team in arsenal shirts?? Actually a bit of fight in them.
Will see now how much fight they have.
Softest penalty I've ever seen!!
And a daft sending off!! Like who da f**k scuffs a penalty spot? It's worse than Sunday league
Concede a penalty, miss a sitter, get a player sent off, all in the space of a few mins. Good to see the real Arsenal return.
Manchester City had zero shots on target prior to scoring that penalty. A needless sending off followed. Arsenal being Arsenal.
Pure collapse from Arsenal. Implosion after the pen. I can see why it was given but not a pen for me. Absolute sitter missed from Martinelli too.
Arsenal doing an Arsenal ::)
League is over. Battle now is for 3 of the remaining top 4 places.
Ref getting the blame from players and supporters, he did nothing wrong
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2022, 02:31:34 PM
Ref getting the blame from players and supporters, he did nothing wrong
Blame lies squarely at the feet of Gabriel
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2022, 02:31:34 PM
Ref getting the blame from players and supporters, he did nothing wrong
I think the problem once again lies with VAR.
BT sport are repeating the conversations between ref and Var official.
First half Arsenal denied a stonewall penalty when keeper catches the player before the ball. VAR says penalty but not clear and obvious mistake so tells ref they are not asking him to look at it.
Second half 50/50 penalty where Da Silva going down before/as Xhaka grabs his shirt. Ref clearly sees the dive and tells him to get up. VAR tells ref he's missed a clear and obvious shirt pull and tells him to award the penalty.
So VAR has re reffed an incident when the ref has seen the incident and decided no penalty but refused to interfere when the ref has missed a stone wall penalty at other end.
All that said I thought last twenty minutes he booked Arsenal players much easier than City players
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2022, 02:31:34 PM
Ref getting the blame from players and supporters, he did nothing wrong
I think the problem once again lies with VAR.
BT sport are repeating the conversations between ref and Var official.
First half Arsenal denied a stonewall penalty when keeper catches the player before the ball. VAR says penalty but not clear and obvious mistake so tells ref they are not asking him to look at it.
Second half 50/50 penalty where Da Silva going down before/as Xhaka grabs his shirt. Ref clearly sees the dive and tells him to get up. VAR tells ref he's missed a clear and obvious shirt pull and tells him to award the penalty.
So VAR has re reffed an incident when the ref has seen the incident and decided no penalty but refused to interfere when the ref has missed a stone wall penalty at other end.
All that said I thought last twenty minutes he booked Arsenal players much easier than City players
When they are constantly mouthing at the ref it'll be easier to give 50/50 calls against, the sending off for the two yellows was the easiest calls.
Pep "WE NEED 5 SUBS!"
- 80 mins, hasn't made one yet!
Tuchel "ONE MORE CASE IN MIDFIELD AND WE ARE SCREWED!"
- Kante, Barkley, Havertz and Saul on the bench!
Klopp "XMAS SCHEDULE NEEDS CHANGING!"
- Beaten by a team who played 48 hours before, when they had no fixture!
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 01, 2022, 02:31:34 PM
Ref getting the blame from players and supporters, he did nothing wrong
I think the problem once again lies with VAR.
BT sport are repeating the conversations between ref and Var official.
First half Arsenal denied a stonewall penalty when keeper catches the player before the ball. VAR says penalty but not clear and obvious mistake so tells ref they are not asking him to look at it.
Second half 50/50 penalty where Da Silva going down before/as Xhaka grabs his shirt. Ref clearly sees the dive and tells him to get up. VAR tells ref he's missed a clear and obvious shirt pull and tells him to award the penalty.
So VAR has re reffed an incident when the ref has seen the incident and decided no penalty but refused to interfere when the ref has missed a stone wall penalty at other end.
All that said I thought last twenty minutes he booked Arsenal players much easier than City players
When they are constantly mouthing at the ref it'll be easier to give 50/50 calls against, the sending off for the two yellows was the easiest calls.
Agreed thats human nature although professional referees are supposed to be above that
City enjoyed the rub of the green in that game but I just can't see them being caught when at least one of their rivals will be losing ground tomorrow.
Leicester players at the darts a few days after crying off their Everton game because of covid. The league is a shambles this year.
Quote from: RedHand88 on January 02, 2022, 09:32:37 AM
Leicester players at the darts a few days after crying off their liverpool game because of covid. The league is a shambles this year.
Sure they best Liverpool
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Quote from: RedHand88 on January 02, 2022, 09:32:37 AM
Leicester players at the darts a few days after crying off their liverpool game because of covid. The league is a shambles this year.
Sure they best Liverpool
*Everton!
Big difference RedHand. Huge difference. Never make that mistake again 😉😃
Lukaku dropped for today. Tuchel takin no guff. Not confident with no Klopp and other covid cases but Chelsea strugglin atm also
This is do or die game, Chelsea have been piss poor lately. If this game was at Anfield then Liverpool would be handy winners, hard one to call in fairness. 1-1 prediction
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 02, 2022, 10:49:31 AM
Big difference RedHand. Huge difference. Never make that mistake again 😉😃
Lukaku dropped for today. Tuchel takin no guff. Not confident with no Klopp and other covid cases but Chelsea strugglin atm also
A week of beer and chocolate does strange things to the mind. Never again!
Benitez needs to go.
6 points from 36 for Everton
Game over. Clash finish from Salah. Mane should have got the line like Harry Kane should have weeks ago.
Great to see young Kelliher a keeping clean sheet. Chelsea without big Roman having nothing up top.
Quote from: hoynevalley on January 02, 2022, 05:07:40 PM
Game over. Clash finish from Salah. Mane should have got the line like Harry Kane should have weeks ago.
Great to see young Kelliher a keeping clean sheet. Chelsea without big Roman having nothing up top.
Clean sheet?
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on January 02, 2022, 05:07:40 PM
Game over. Clash finish from Salah. Mane should have got the line like Harry Kane should have weeks ago.
Great to see young Kelliher a keeping clean sheet. Chelsea without big Roman having nothing up top.
Clean sheet?
offside?
Tony Taylor should give the whistle to Jordie Henderson. Spends his game f**king and blinding referees.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on January 02, 2022, 05:07:40 PM
Game over. Clash finish from Salah. Mane should have got the line like Harry Kane should have weeks ago.
Great to see young Kelliher a keeping clean sheet. Chelsea without big Roman having nothing up top.
Clean sheet?
offside?
Which one?
handball by the yank
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 02, 2022, 05:12:22 PM
Quote from: hoynevalley on January 02, 2022, 05:07:40 PM
Game over. Clash finish from Salah. Mane should have got the line like Harry Kane should have weeks ago.
Great to see young Kelliher a keeping clean sheet. Chelsea without big Roman having nothing up top.
Clean sheet?
offside?
Which one?
Rudiger was off side.
Tuchel and Klopp sitting at home won't be too pleased by the level of defending in that 1st half
Always difficult to win two in a row, City had a good Xmas, handier games coming up, as long as they ain't complacent they'll be grand.
Leicester v Burnley off and North London Derby in doubt now too. Neville and Carragher talked a bit of sense on sky last night about how these games should be going ahead and that clubs are taking advantage.
Just browsing the coupon for a bet today. Across the championship, L1 and L2 there are only two games off in total. Are these clubs not testing as rigorously as the PL clubs or are they just being made to get on with it?
Cheating is part of soccer's DNA. Half the time they don't even know why they're cheating; things like vocally contesting throw ins at the halfway line, or remonstrating with the referee after VAR has made a decision. Managers don't want consistency; they want the rub of the green.
Once the PL opened the door ever so slightly for Covid cancellations, the rest of what has come was inevitable.
City beat Chelsea today to go further clear in the league. I still think they would be better served plaing a proper centre forward. The rest better pray City don't get hold of Haaland when Dortmund sell him.
After last year I really thought Liverpool would bounce back
They have to an extent. City are just a machine. Theyve won 3 of last 4 and look like making it 4/5. Pool only team to even challenge in that time. Scary in a way. We may all wait till Pep goes see if that makes a difference..
They are consistently so far ahead of the rest that it is in danger of becoming monotonous. In a football sense they are great to watch and Pep is an all time great manager but how they arrived in this position is proof that money trumps everything in professional sport. They will dominate for years to come.
It's sport washing what City have done. Basically hoover up all the top talent and not just on field. Employees at board level were all head hunted.
Quote from: yellowcard on January 15, 2022, 04:27:21 PM
They are consistently so far ahead of the rest that it is in danger of becoming monotonous. In a football sense they are great to watch and Pep is an all time great manager but how they arrived in this position is proof that money trumps everything in professional sport. They will dominate for years to come.
Does it Trump everything? How much has united spent since they last won the premiership compared to city? The only team to challenge them recently has been Liverpool and that was more down to Klopp than spending.
Yes money helps but it needs to be spent correctly and wisely and it also helps having a world class coach
Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
As good as they are in England, they do need to win the champions league and then follow that up again in a year or two.
What do fans want to win though? Choice is league or CL ?
CL while great to win I don't think supporters have it on their wish list at start of the year
What the f**k are PL players made off? Thon lad Konsa went down from a tackle and he's walking around as if he fell off The Shard!
He hurt himself more from the fall and rolling around after it!
Quote from: laoislad on January 15, 2022, 05:47:37 PM
Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on January 15, 2022, 06:03:17 PM
What do fans want to win though? Choice is league or CL ?
CL while great to win I don't think supporters have it on their wish list at start of the year
[/b]City fans definitely do. It's definitely a massive black mark on Pep's CV that he has done nothing worth talking about in Europe since leaving Barca/Messi. As brilliant as he is he should have won it with that Bayern team and definitely with City last year. Hopefully Madrid can stop them this year.
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 15, 2022, 04:45:55 PM
It's sport washing what City have done. Basically hoover up all the top talent and not just on field. Employees at board level were all head hunted.
Any top club could have signed most of the players they've signed
Ederson, Dias, Zinchenko, Silva, Gundogan, Cancelo, Laporte, hardly household names or world class players when they joined city, de Bruyne was seen as a Chelsea reject
More down to Guardiolas coaching than anything
Sure United's squad cost more to build and look at the state they're in
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2022, 07:08:20 PM
Quote from: laoislad on January 15, 2022, 05:47:37 PM
Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Quote from: maldini on January 15, 2022, 08:15:18 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 15, 2022, 04:45:55 PM
It's sport washing what City have done. Basically hoover up all the top talent and not just on field. Employees at board level were all head hunted.
Any top club could have signed most of the players they've signed
Ederson, Dias, Zinchenko, Silva, Gundogan, Cancelo, Laporte, hardly household names or world class players when they joined city, de Bruyne was seen as a Chelsea reject
More down to Guardiolas coaching than anything
Sure United's squad cost more to build and look at the state they're in
Dias £61m
Cancelo £59m
Laporte £59m
Silva £45m
Ederson £36m
Gundogan £24m
I don't know what planet you inhabit. But the top 3 would be record transfer fees for all but a handful of clubs and all 6 would be record transfer fees for all but a handful more.
And not one of them apart from Ederson would be guaranteed to start a CL final if City made it there.
They're the most corrupt organisation in the history of a rottenly corrupt sport.
Please do not try to defend them. They're a vile, revolting organisation.
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Quote from: laoislad on January 15, 2022, 05:47:37 PM
Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Well within their rights?
They have one covid case.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2022, 08:24:48 PM
Quote from: maldini on January 15, 2022, 08:15:18 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 15, 2022, 04:45:55 PM
It's sport washing what City have done. Basically hoover up all the top talent and not just on field. Employees at board level were all head hunted.
Any top club could have signed most of the players they've signed
Ederson, Dias, Zinchenko, Silva, Gundogan, Cancelo, Laporte, hardly household names or world class players when they joined city, de Bruyne was seen as a Chelsea reject
More down to Guardiolas coaching than anything
Sure United's squad cost more to build and look at the state they're in
Dias £61m
Cancelo £59m
Laporte £59m
Silva £45m
Ederson £36m
Gundogan £24m
I don't know what planet you inhabit. But the top 3 would be record transfer fees for all but a handful of clubs and all 6 would be record transfer fees for all but a handful more.
And not one of them apart from Ederson would be guaranteed to start a CL final if City made it there.
They're the most corrupt organisation in the history of a rottenly corrupt sport.
Please do not try to defend them. They're a vile, revolting organisation.
Why aren't United winning titles? Hoovering up the top talent with the most expensively assembled squad in the game at the minute
It's sour grapes from fans of other clubs as City have another title wrapped up already
A few weeks ago they were saying it was gonna be a great 3 way race for the title, now they're using excuse after excuse
City's is the most expensively assembled squad. This is a fact. Yet you're declaring their coaching as their competitive advantage.
This is insane.
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2022, 08:39:27 PM
City's is the most expensively assembled squad. This is a fact. Yet you're declaring their coaching as their competitive advantage.
This is insane.
United now the most expensive after City sold Torres. Keep up....
https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/report-manchester-united-now-have-most-expensive-squad-in-world-football-after-ferran-torres-sale-to-barcelona (https://www.si.com/soccer/liverpool/news/report-manchester-united-now-have-most-expensive-squad-in-world-football-after-ferran-torres-sale-to-barcelona)
Childish and then some
Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
Childish and then some
Facts are facts
Why aren't United winning everything
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Quote from: thewobbler on January 15, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
Childish and then some
Facts are facts
Why aren't United winning everything
Unless you believe that Man City's rise to their current levels of form began on 1 Jan after Torres left the club, you aren't dealing in facts. You're dealings in fairy stories.
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United have shown extraordinary levels of ineptitude in the transfer market since Ferguson left: buying players for the sake/show of it rather than players they need. They actually looked like they were going to get it right this summer when they signed two established players to move straight into 2 of their 3 problematic positions. Then instead of securing a midfielder they went and signed Ronaldo when they already had a wealth of forwards. Until they change this approach they'll never compete for major honours again.
Burnley are bottom but have only played 17 games, 5 less than Man City. Leicester and Tottenham have played 18 games. It's a bit trína chéile.
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Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Well within their rights?
They have one covid case.
Two cases. Exact same as Wolves when they got game v Arsenal off. But it's an issue now all of a sudden???? Hypocrisy.
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Quote from: laoislad on January 15, 2022, 05:47:37 PM
Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Ah, so Liverpool "faked" it now?
Amazing how quickly and seamlessly the accepted narrative can be changed. ::)
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Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Ah, so Liverpool "faked" it now?
Amazing how quickly and seamlessly the accepted narrative can be changed. ::)
15 false positives sounds like bullshit to me.
Teams looking games postponed should have been told where to go from the start.
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Quote from: laoislad on January 15, 2022, 05:47:37 PM
Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Have you ANY evidence that Liverpool "faked a covid outbreak" besides the fact that you don't like them?
Think about who all would be in on such a conspiracy to produce fake positive tests -the club, the testing lab, etc.
You probably didn't even realise that Liverpool would have had to submit enough evidence to postpone to the EFL to postpone the game.
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Quote from: laoislad on January 15, 2022, 05:47:37 PM
Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Have you ANY evidence that Liverpool "faked a covid outbreak" besides the fact that you don't like them?
Think about who all would be in on such a conspiracy to produce fake positive tests -the club, the testing lab, etc.
You probably didn't even realise that Liverpool would have had to submit enough evidence to postpone to the EFL to postpone the game.
It's highly unlikely that there were 40 false positives tests in one round of testing there had to be something going on here but i don't know what. If the club were up to something i don't think they would sit down and decide lets get 40 positive tests back that will get the game off when 10 probably would have done the same job.
It had to be a lab mess up.
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Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Have you ANY evidence that Liverpool "faked a covid outbreak" besides the fact that you don't like them?
Think about who all would be in on such a conspiracy to produce fake positive tests -the club, the testing lab, etc.
You probably didn't even realise that Liverpool would have had to submit enough evidence to postpone to the EFL to postpone the game.
It's highly unlikely that there were 40 false positives tests in one round of testing there had to be something going on here but i don't know what. If the club were up to something i don't think they would sit down and decide lets get 40 positive tests back that will get the game off when 10 probably would have done the same job.
It had to be a lab mess up.
Over a one in billion chance.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/english-soccer/ken-early-manchester-city-s-dominance-a-reminder-the-rich-always-get-their-way-1.4778060Players today are told to avoid shooting from distance by coaches who have studied the stats and know precisely how low the chances of scoring from out there really are. Teams now aim to work the ball into a better position before pulling the trigger. The result is that the long-range screamer – arguably the most thrilling sight in football – is being optimised out of the game. Football evolves, while the fans pine for what's been lost.
Most of us don't watch football for technical quality or tactical intrigue. We're watching because we want to feel something – and the risk of defeat adds savour to the joy of victory. In the simplest terms, we like a bit of end-to-end. No coach despises end-to-end more than Guardiola. His teams are designed to exert the maximum of control and allow the absolute minimum of randomness and uncertainty.
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Spurs vs Arsenal postponed... will the same crazies who got outraged over Liverpool have the same outrage over this ??
I'm quite annoyed at this one.
Arsenal have one positive covid case. But the EPL have decided to factor in injuries, suspensions and AFCON commitments to postpone a match, and at 26 hours notice. It's a disgusting and dangerous precedent and the EPL will end up regretting it.
Bull the precedent was set early in December when united and spurs got multiple games off. Since loads of teams have taken advantage of the rules.
Liverpool faked a covid outbreak last week and not a word about it. No game should ever have been postponed and Arsenal well within their rights to request game postponement. Can't be one rule for everyone else and different for Arsenal
Have you ANY evidence that Liverpool "faked a covid outbreak" besides the fact that you don't like them?
Think about who all would be in on such a conspiracy to produce fake positive tests -the club, the testing lab, etc.
You probably didn't even realise that Liverpool would have had to submit enough evidence to postpone to the EFL to postpone the game.
It's highly unlikely that there were 40 false positives tests in one round of testing there had to be something going on here but i don't know what. If the club were up to something i don't think they would sit down and decide lets get 40 positive tests back that will get the game off when 10 probably would have done the same job.
It had to be a lab mess up.
Over a one in billion chance.
As you're bringing odds into it, which is more likely?
A lab screw up, or a conspiracy to fake tests on the part of LFC?
The most likely scenario is that Liverpool didn't record any more than a couple of positive cases, but decided to try their luck with the EFL for a postponement anyway, which was met with surprisingly little requirement for proof / documentation. When the game came around again, Scouse tested everyone again but actually provided the full results this time. Rather than admit they pulled a fly one, they blamed faulty tests.
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Cue mass hysteria at this this suggestion from Liverpool fan boys who regard it as their personal mission to deflect and protect their beloved club from untoward comments, regardless of how balanced or rational or consistent the comments are.
Your comments are balanced and rational but those of Liverpool fans are biased?
Conspiracy theory v lab f**k up.
The loonies still outraged over Liverpool postponing a game ;D
They've played two games since, maybe it's time to move on like?
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Your comments are balanced and rational but those of Liverpool fans are biased?
Conspiracy theory v lab f**k up.
Things I cannot understand:
1: why Leicester fans can't accept that it's wrong for James Maddison to attend the world darts when the Christmas football peak meets omnicron.
2. Why Arsenal fans can't accept that no matter what happens to them, they will have more players to pick from when the spurs game is rescheduled, and it had nothing to do with Covid.
3. Why Liverpool fans can't accept that it was convenient and timely to conjure up a short break for their small squad of senior pros in early January.
Have your allegiances, by all means. But please, don't behave like a 9 year old when "your" club is under the spotlight.
As mentioned previously, the culture of professional soccer is one of institutionalised cheating. No matter who your beloved club is, if you think they wouldn't lie to take advantage of a situation, then you're beyond help.
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Quote from: J70 on January 17, 2022, 11:39:43 AM
Your comments are balanced and rational but those of Liverpool fans are biased?
Conspiracy theory v lab f**k up.
Things I cannot understand:
1: why Leicester fans can't accept that it's wrong for James Maddison to attend the world darts when the Christmas football peak meets omnicron.
2. Why Arsenal fans can't accept that no matter what happens to them, they will have more players to pick from when the spurs game is rescheduled, and it had nothing to do with Covid.
3. Why Liverpool fans can't accept that it was convenient and timely to conjure up a short break for their small squad of senior pros in early January.
Have your allegiances, by all means. But please, don't behave like a 9 year old when "your" club is under the spotlight.
As mentioned previously, the culture of professional soccer is one of institutionalised cheating. No matter who your beloved club is, if you think they wouldn't lie to take advantage of a situation, then you're beyond help.
The ego on this one. 😂😂
Don't behave like a spoilt child just cause someone doesn't believe your opinion. You are not an oracle despite your belief that you are.
It's actually very funny that there are some people who really believe that Liverpool are faking Covid tests!
There are plenty of premier league clubs who can do all the crying and moaning necessary to get a game on or off, but there isn't one who would deliberately fake Covid tests so they could get a rest. Wobbles is humiliating himself, let him at it.
Burnley asking for another game to be missed v Watford tomorrow night.
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Burnley asking for another game to be missed v Watford tomorrow night.
I'm outraged!
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Burnley asking for another game to be missed v Watford tomorrow night.
I'm outraged!
PL opened a can of worms by cancelling games and not insisting that clubs line out with their U23's on the pitch..
There's going to be some backlog now.
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Burnley asking for another game to be missed v Watford tomorrow night.
I'm outraged!
PL opened a can of worms by cancelling games and not insisting that clubs line out with their U23's on the pitch..
There's going to be some backlog now.
Yep, should have taken a far stronger stance on this from the start.
Chelsea win 2-0 over Tottenham in what was a formality after they took the lead. However Tottenham had an earlier goal struck off after Thiago Silva blatantly dived to win a free off Harry Kane. He may have actually been fouled but the way he dived to win the free leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
Ziyech's goal for Chelsea was a clinker!
Quote from: GJL on January 23, 2022, 08:11:00 PM
Ziyech's goal for Chelsea was a clinker!
A super player when he hits form. Was a joy to watch when he was with Ajax.
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Chelsea win 2-0 over Tottenham in what was a formality after they took the lead. However Tottenham had an earlier goal struck off after Thiago Silva blatantly dived to win a free off Harry Kane. He may have actually been fouled but the way he dived to win the free leaves a sour taste in the mouth.
So he was fouled then as you said?
I don't think he dived at all. It was a clear push in the back.
This incident appears to be a talking point but very little made of the foul on Azpilicueta or Doherty on Sarr.
Christian Eriksen looks to be signing for Brentford? What the hell.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 23, 2022, 09:47:36 PM
Christian Eriksen looks to be signing for Brentford? What the hell.
He's not the first professional with a known heart condition though?
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Christian Eriksen looks to be signing for Brentford? What the hell.
Great news for him
Hopefully. I thought he'd never play again and didn't realise a comeback was an option.
Wasn't allowed to play in Serie A with whatever device he had fitted but nothing stopping him doing so in England.
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Hopefully. I thought he'd never play again and didn't realise a comeback was an option.
I'm assuming he has went through all the necessary medical tests etc to get the green light
Yeah he'd have to have had. It would just make you a bit nervous particularly if you were in his family or whatever.
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Yeah he'd have to have had. It would just make you a bit nervous particularly if you were in his family or whatever.
I think there is another player playing with similar device
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Yeah he'd have to have had. It would just make you a bit nervous particularly if you were in his family or whatever.
I think there is another player playing with similar device
Daley Blind
Claudio Ranieri has been sacked by Watford after just three months in charge
Though this does mean Woys comin back 😎
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on January 24, 2022, 11:27:54 PM
Though this does mean Woys comin back 😎
He's back. Roy Hodgson has been announced as Watford's new head coach.
All the big teams through to next round of the FA Cup. No major shocks this round. Kidderminster came the closest to a shock win.
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All the big teams through to next round of the FA Cup. No major shocks this round. Kidderminster came the closest to a shock win.
And United.
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Quote from: laoislad on February 06, 2022, 02:08:24 PM
All the big teams through to next round of the FA Cup. No major shocks this round. Kidderminster came the closest to a shock win.
And United.
they were playing west ham united ???
Study by Switzerland-based independent research group CIES Football Observatory on net spend on transfers from 2012.
1. Manchester United €1.075bn (€1.545bn on transfers, less €470m back in player sales)
2. Manchester City €984m (€1.699bn - €715m)
3. Paris St Germain €941m
4. Barcelona €650m
5. Arsenal €583m
6. Juventus €561m
7. AC Milan €432m
8. Everton €429m
9. Aston Villa €424m
10. Chelsea €413m
No surprise that England has 6 in the Top Ten (England have 14 in the top 20). Liverpool are 14th €347m. Real and At Madrid have both spent over a billion in the time period, but got back over €900m each in transfer fees received.
I knew Arsenal and Everton had wasted hundred of millions on shite players, but hadn't expected to see Villa on the list.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/
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Study by Switzerland-based independent research group CIES Football Observatory on net spend on transfers from 2012.
1. Manchester United €1.075bn (€1.545bn on transfers, less €470m back in player sales)
2. Manchester City €984m (€1.699bn - €715m)
3. Paris St Germain €941m
4. Barcelona €650m
5. Arsenal €583m
6. Juventus €561m
7. AC Milan €432m
8. Everton €429m
9. Aston Villa €424m
10. Chelsea €413m
No surprise that England has 6 in the Top Ten (England have 14 in the top 20). Liverpool are 14th €347m. Real and At Madrid have both spent over a billion in the time period, but got back over €900m each in transfer fees received.
I knew Arsenal and Everton had wasted hundred of millions on shite players, but hadn't expected to see Villa on the list.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/
Those figures are dwarfed by their wage bills though. And that's where the real discrepancies lie when comparing the largest clubs to those behind them. It's also the most accurate indicator of expected success. Villa's wage bill is the 11th highest in the league - which is where they finished last season.
https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/
Quote from: Hound on February 07, 2022, 04:31:09 PM
Study by Switzerland-based independent research group CIES Football Observatory on net spend on transfers from 2012.
1. Manchester United €1.075bn (€1.545bn on transfers, less €470m back in player sales)
2. Manchester City €984m (€1.699bn - €715m)
3. Paris St Germain €941m
4. Barcelona €650m
5. Arsenal €583m
6. Juventus €561m
7. AC Milan €432m
8. Everton €429m
9. Aston Villa €424m
10. Chelsea €413m
No surprise that England has 6 in the Top Ten (England have 14 in the top 20). Liverpool are 14th €347m. Real and At Madrid have both spent over a billion in the time period, but got back over €900m each in transfer fees received.
I knew Arsenal and Everton had wasted hundred of millions on shite players, but hadn't expected to see Villa on the list.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/
PSG isnt really that bad considered almost 1/4 of the bill is one man.
Quote from: Hound on February 07, 2022, 04:31:09 PM
Study by Switzerland-based independent research group CIES Football Observatory on net spend on transfers from 2012.
1. Manchester United €1.075bn (€1.545bn on transfers, less €470m back in player sales)
2. Manchester City €984m (€1.699bn - €715m)
3. Paris St Germain €941m
4. Barcelona €650m
5. Arsenal €583m
6. Juventus €561m
7. AC Milan €432m
8. Everton €429m
9. Aston Villa €424m
10. Chelsea €413m
No surprise that England has 6 in the Top Ten (England have 14 in the top 20). Liverpool are 14th €347m. Real and At Madrid have both spent over a billion in the time period, but got back over €900m each in transfer fees received.
I knew Arsenal and Everton had wasted hundred of millions on shite players, but hadn't expected to see Villa on the list.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/
That can't be right because Man Ure aren't like those other clubs who spend too much money on their teams... 🤔🤔
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Quote from: Hound on February 07, 2022, 04:31:09 PM
Study by Switzerland-based independent research group CIES Football Observatory on net spend on transfers from 2012.
1. Manchester United €1.075bn (€1.545bn on transfers, less €470m back in player sales)
2. Manchester City €984m (€1.699bn - €715m)
3. Paris St Germain €941m
4. Barcelona €650m
5. Arsenal €583m
6. Juventus €561m
7. AC Milan €432m
8. Everton €429m
9. Aston Villa €424m
10. Chelsea €413m
No surprise that England has 6 in the Top Ten (England have 14 in the top 20). Liverpool are 14th €347m. Real and At Madrid have both spent over a billion in the time period, but got back over €900m each in transfer fees received.
I knew Arsenal and Everton had wasted hundred of millions on shite players, but hadn't expected to see Villa on the list.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/
That can't be right because Man Ure aren't like those other clubs who spend too much money on their teams... 🤔🤔
Definitely not. Sure they're a traditional club, totally unlike their oil-rich neighbours buying trophies ;)
Quote from: shark on February 07, 2022, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 07, 2022, 04:31:09 PM
Study by Switzerland-based independent research group CIES Football Observatory on net spend on transfers from 2012.
1. Manchester United €1.075bn (€1.545bn on transfers, less €470m back in player sales)
2. Manchester City €984m (€1.699bn - €715m)
3. Paris St Germain €941m
4. Barcelona €650m
5. Arsenal €583m
6. Juventus €561m
7. AC Milan €432m
8. Everton €429m
9. Aston Villa €424m
10. Chelsea €413m
No surprise that England has 6 in the Top Ten (England have 14 in the top 20). Liverpool are 14th €347m. Real and At Madrid have both spent over a billion in the time period, but got back over €900m each in transfer fees received.
I knew Arsenal and Everton had wasted hundred of millions on shite players, but hadn't expected to see Villa on the list.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/
Those figures are dwarfed by their wage bills though. And that's where the real discrepancies lie when comparing the largest clubs to those behind them. It's also the most accurate indicator of expected success. Villa's wage bill is the 11th highest in the league - which is where they finished last season.
https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/
Absolutely right.
Some football fans use net spend as a badge of honour that their beloved club is doing it in a more saintly way. As a principle it fully ignores that free transfers and final-year-of-contract transfers just mean are the new normal, and just tilt their outlandish expenditure into players' pockets instead of those of other clubs.
And that's before ignoring the fact that one major inbound or outbound just outside their massaged time window for net spend, can skew everything,
But one thing that's for sure though, is that Manchester United's recruitment policy over the past decade has been abysmal. Even their most ardent follower can't ignore all that black and white.
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Quote from: shark on February 07, 2022, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Hound on February 07, 2022, 04:31:09 PM
Study by Switzerland-based independent research group CIES Football Observatory on net spend on transfers from 2012.
1. Manchester United €1.075bn (€1.545bn on transfers, less €470m back in player sales)
2. Manchester City €984m (€1.699bn - €715m)
3. Paris St Germain €941m
4. Barcelona €650m
5. Arsenal €583m
6. Juventus €561m
7. AC Milan €432m
8. Everton €429m
9. Aston Villa €424m
10. Chelsea €413m
No surprise that England has 6 in the Top Ten (England have 14 in the top 20). Liverpool are 14th €347m. Real and At Madrid have both spent over a billion in the time period, but got back over €900m each in transfer fees received.
I knew Arsenal and Everton had wasted hundred of millions on shite players, but hadn't expected to see Villa on the list.
https://football-observatory.com/IMG/sites/b5wp/2021/wp367/en/
Those figures are dwarfed by their wage bills though. And that's where the real discrepancies lie when comparing the largest clubs to those behind them. It's also the most accurate indicator of expected success. Villa's wage bill is the 11th highest in the league - which is where they finished last season.
https://www.spotrac.com/epl/payroll/
Absolutely right.
Some football fans use net spend as a badge of honour that their beloved club is doing it in a more saintly way. As a principle it fully ignores that free transfers and final-year-of-contract transfers just mean are the new normal, and just tilt their outlandish expenditure into players' pockets instead of those of other clubs.
And that's before ignoring the fact that one major inbound or outbound just outside their massaged time window for net spend, can skew everything,
But one thing that's for sure though, is that Manchester United's recruitment policy over the past decade has been abysmal. Even their most ardent follower can't ignore all that black and white.
Yep, it's pretty extraordinary how far ahead United are in the salary table.
How far behind Brentford are in the salary table compared to how well they are doing is remarkable. You wouldn't expect to see Leeds down there either.
I knew Everton had wasted a ton of money but didn't expect Villa there either.
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How far behind Brentford are in the salary table compared to how well they are doing is remarkable. You wouldn't expect to see Leeds down there either.
I knew Everton had wasted a ton of money but didn't expect Villa there either.
Villa had to buy an entire new squad upon promotion. Quantity was the priority , rather than quality. The team that won the play-off final had 5 loanees, and a number of players whose contracts were about to expire. Everton have spent their money to stand still (or worse). Villa have finished in an increasingly higher position for 4 years in a row now. If they keep spending this level of money (which they will, as they are loaded), and don't keep progressing, then we can say it has been wasted. But not yet.
Didn't realise that about villa. Unfortunately I know only too well about Everton and their transfers.
I see Zouma is starting for West Ham. People are looking them to get rid of him but I Definitely thought they'd have taken him out of the spotlight for tonight at least.
Staring in a new episode of don't f**k with cats! Complete dick and hopefully he'll get done by the police who are now investigating
I really question the stupidity of people these days. Getting away from the barbaric act itself, it was his brother who posted it on social media. In what world could anyone think it would be a good idea to share that video?
Is it normal for cops to get involved for booting a cat ?
Zouma is worse than Greenwood.......for booting cats.
Cats are horrible creatures.
Everton are going down. ;D ;D
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 08, 2022, 08:56:20 PM
Is it normal for cops to get involved for booting a cat ?
Yes, I think animal cruelty is a crime, haven't or would watch the video, but has been reported
Quote from: hoynevalley on February 08, 2022, 09:05:28 PM
Everton are going down. ;D ;D
There's at least 3 teams worse than them. They'll scarp by their finger tips
where's Barry Horne?
Dele Alli has had some decline.
3 first teamers injured in fwanks first two matches they could be in bother yet
#Rangnicksatthewheel
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 08, 2022, 08:56:20 PM
Is it normal for cops to get involved for booting a cat ?
Yes, I think animal cruelty is a crime, haven't or would watch the video, but has been reported
Takes a vile individual that's cruel to animals. I won't be watching it either.
Not EPL but are Derby on for The Great Escape?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2022, 11:18:31 PM
Not EPL but are Derby on for The Great Escape?
Would be great but they'll dock them some more points and id say, are they still looking new owners or has that been sorted?
Quote from: Tony Baloney on February 08, 2022, 11:18:31 PM
Not EPL but are Derby on for The Great Escape?
Never Rooney's greatest fan to say the least but I've been impressed by what he has done there, especially the finances and commitment he has displayed
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Quote from: Saffrongael on February 08, 2022, 08:56:20 PM
Is it normal for cops to get involved for booting a cat ?
Yes, I think animal cruelty is a crime, haven't or would watch the video, but has been reported
Takes a vile individual that's cruel to animals. I won't be watching it either.
I did see it. A disgusting act. I hope the police properly investigate.
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 08, 2022, 08:56:20 PM
Is it normal for cops to get involved for booting a cat ?
Yes. Next.
Quote from: shark on February 08, 2022, 09:48:29 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on February 08, 2022, 08:34:48 AM
How far behind Brentford are in the salary table compared to how well they are doing is remarkable. You wouldn't expect to see Leeds down there either.
I knew Everton had wasted a ton of money but didn't expect Villa there either.
Villa had to buy an entire new squad upon promotion. Quantity was the priority , rather than quality. The team that won the play-off final had 5 loanees, and a number of players whose contracts were about to expire. Everton have spent their money to stand still (or worse). Villa have finished in an increasingly higher position for 4 years in a row now. If they keep spending this level of money (which they will, as they are loaded), and don't keep progressing, then we can say it has been wasted. But not yet.
Only a handful of teams can win trophies. Everton, Villa , Spurs etc haven't got a hope. If they have a budget of £100m they can't buy a £100m player. Top players won't go to Everton, Villa, Spurs etc.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/02/01/tottenhams-antonio-conte-timebomb-may-not-have-defused-long/
Having missed out on Adama Traore, despite pursuing him since the summer and for the entirety of January, Levy and Paratici delivered Conte a midfielder and an attacker. One of those two players was meant to be Luis Diaz, but he went to Liverpool instead.
Everton, Villa, Spurs etc will instead buy 3 overpriced players . The logic of money in the premiership is brutal.
Villa have been steadily improving though. Spurs were top 4 then tried to spend absolutely no money which obvs didnt work and are now trying to make inroads. Everton has been a shitshow no other word for it
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 08, 2022, 08:56:20 PM
Is it normal for cops to get involved for booting a cat ?
You think animal cruelty is not an offence worthy of police intervention? Psychologists will tell you animal cruelty is a serious red flag in a person's psyche.
Quote from: JoG2 on February 09, 2022, 09:52:27 AM
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 08, 2022, 08:56:20 PM
Is it normal for cops to get involved for booting a cat ?
You think animal cruelty is not an offence worthy of police intervention? Psychologists will tell you animal cruelty is a serious red flag in a person's psyche.
Generally animal cruelty is dealt with through prosecutions by the likes of the Councils or the RSPCA. The police only get involved if it's serious cruelty and dereliction of care. I'm not saying they shouldn't but this is likely to be driven by the RSPCA.
Animal cruelty is wicked and can lead onto more serious crimes. What Zouma did was terrible but would be on the lower scale of what the authorities deal with. Take the cats off him, give him a lifetime ban from having animals and move on. Disappointed by West Ham though, whatever about what they can and cannot do to someone in terms of suspension from a moral perspective he should not have played. Completely time deaf to the situation.
Quote from: shark on February 08, 2022, 09:48:29 AM
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How far behind Brentford are in the salary table compared to how well they are doing is remarkable. You wouldn't expect to see Leeds down there either.
I knew Everton had wasted a ton of money but didn't expect Villa there either.
Villa had to buy an entire new squad upon promotion. Quantity was the priority , rather than quality. The team that won the play-off final had 5 loanees, and a number of players whose contracts were about to expire. Everton have spent their money to stand still (or worse). Villa have finished in an increasingly higher position for 4 years in a row now. If they keep spending this level of money (which they will, as they are loaded), and don't keep progressing, then we can say it has been wasted. But not yet.
Agree with this. There is now a clear change in direction from Villa. Initially it was buy multiple players between 8m and say 20m in order to fill the squad and stay in the league. Since the sale of Grealish and now in particular the arrival of Gerrard, the shift is to buying a couple of more expensive players and on much bigger wages. Time will tell if this wasted money like Everton. Hopefully Villa will be a bit more savvy.
I actually thought Everton might have turned a corner after Rafa left, with a bit more fight shown v Villa at least. Horrible result for them last night. They should rightly be very concerned.
The RSPCA have removed the cats from his house
Adidas have dropped Zouma. I bet he regrets kicking the cat now.
Quote from: Capt Pat on February 09, 2022, 04:52:52 PM
Adidas have dropped Zouma. I bet he regrets kicking the cat now.
Puma waiting in line to sign him up
In the English football universe, cats garner more outrage and protection than Derry's finest James McClean and proper order.
Jesus Christ such a bit of fuss over a cat
Sponsors pullin out left right and centre but as i read earlier Terry and Suarez got away a lot lighter. Great clip today also of the time Strachan spoke up and basically said there was no morals in football
Outrage over kicking a cat but not so much about United continuing to play Greenwood when they knew the craic about the rape allegations
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 09, 2022, 08:05:36 PM
Outrage over kicking a cat but not so much about United continuing to play Greenwood when they knew the craic about the rape allegations
Did they though? There'll be a whole lot more to come out about that one I'd say...
Southampton with a good win away against Tottenham tonight. The way they reacted to the second Tottenham goal that should not have stood was most impressive.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 09, 2022, 07:18:45 PM
Sponsors pullin out left right and centre but as i read earlier Terry and Suarez got away a lot lighter. Great clip today also of the time Strachan spoke up and basically said there was no morals in football
What the import of what Strachan spoke about?
Quote from: Main Street on February 09, 2022, 10:00:50 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 09, 2022, 07:18:45 PM
Sponsors pullin out left right and centre but as i read earlier Terry and Suarez got away a lot lighter. Great clip today also of the time Strachan spoke up and basically said there was no morals in football
What the import of what Strachan spoke about?
That fans don't care about players indiscretions as long as they are helping the team to win games and are valuable
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 09, 2022, 07:18:45 PM
Sponsors pullin out left right and centre but as i read earlier Terry and Suarez got away a lot lighter. Great clip today also of the time Strachan spoke up and basically said there was no morals in football
What the import of what Strachan spoke about?
That fans don't care about players indiscretions as long as they are helping the team to win games and are valuable
And if it was youth members at bad craic theyd be out on their hole. More expendable
City stretching their lead, poor enough tonight considering Brentford were missing some
Quote from: Saffrongael on February 09, 2022, 08:05:36 PM
Outrage over kicking a cat but not so much about United continuing to play Greenwood when they knew the craic about the rape allegations
I've avoided this story in the main but I've yet to see any stuff that suggested that the club knew anything about these allegations against him.
I would imagine if they knew and continued to play him that would have been equally as big as the allegations themselves, but it hasnt been so that seems a bit weird.
I think Rashford came out with a cryptic comment at one time and the non selection for England has led some to speculate Manu knew....nothing proven yet of course
I see Chelsea had it tight enough in the end in their semi final last night, should be a decent final on Sunday, these games missed in the league will make it difficult to catch second place, you'd rather play at the same time than have games in hand
With postponements and so on Chelsea actually got ahead of the pack so are pretty much fine from that viewppint chap
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on February 10, 2022, 09:31:31 AM
With postponements and so on Chelsea actually got ahead of the pack so are pretty much fine from that viewppint chap
Just seen that.. when did they get that far ahead in the games? Arsenal sitting best for 4th at the minute
Not sure maybe lucky/unlucky with covid whatever way you look at it i know tuchel had been on complaining about congestion. They maybe had one extra match to allow for this week.
Plenty of twists and turns for top4 yet Spurs have few matches in hand then they end up getting bate last night...
Second place nailed on, Liverpool would be a decent punt for winning the league should City have their slump
With the spotlight on Abramovich and Chelsea following the outbreak of war in Ukraine, will the spotlight switch to the ownership of these PL clubs and indeed the wider practice of sportswashing. I felt a bit of sympathy watching Tuchel lose the rag today with a reporter over his questioning about Abramovich when you think of the hypocrisy of other clubs like Man City, Newcastle and Everton and the questionable source of funds and motives for investment. Will, for example Pep Guardiola or Eddie Howe face the same questions at their next press conference....I very much doubt it. it's the hypocrisy of it all that irks.
Abramovich began this sportswashing practice almost 20 years ago but it has become rampant since and the English premier league is based on swathes of money from some seriously dubious sources and regimes. The regular football fan doesn't really care but the authorities have allowed it to happen and by extension are complicit in all of this.
Questions rising around Usmanoz and his relationship with Everton and Moshri. USM and Megafon are major investors in Everton and Uzmanov is looking like he is going to have sanctions levelled against him
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 01, 2022, 03:42:55 PM
Questions rising around Usmanoz and his relationship with Everton and Moshri. USM and Megafon are major investors in Everton and Uzmanov is looking like he is going to have sanctions levelled against him
https://www.newstalk.com/sport/everton-urged-to-cut-ties-with-usmanov-after-eu-seize-oligarchs-assets-1317078
Chelsea up for sale.
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 02, 2022, 04:22:48 PM
Chelsea up for sale.
3 billion apparently.
1.5 for the club, 1.5 which is owed to Abramowich.
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 02, 2022, 04:22:48 PM
Chelsea up for sale.
3 billion apparently.
1.5 for the club, 1.5 which is owed to Abramowich.
Tory politicians giving the Oligarch's enough time to dispose of their assets. Which raises the question why.
It's their bosses :(
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Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 02, 2022, 04:22:48 PM
Chelsea up for sale.
3 billion apparently.
1.5 for the club, 1.5 which is owed to Abramowich.
Tory politicians giving the Oligarch's enough time to dispose of their assets. Which raises the question why.
I think the answer is fairly obvious. The Tory's are up to their necks in Russian money and backroom deals with these Oligarchs who I say have some dirty laundry they would air. The whole system is corrupt. Rotten to the core and more than a few bad apples. It is a shame it has taken a war like this to shine the spotlight on it.
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Quote from: yellowcard on March 02, 2022, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 02, 2022, 04:22:48 PM
Chelsea up for sale.
3 billion apparently.
1.5 for the club, 1.5 which is owed to Abramowich.
Tory politicians giving the Oligarch's enough time to dispose of their assets. Which raises the question why.
I think the answer is fairly obvious. The Tory's are up to their necks in Russian money and backroom deals with these Oligarchs who I say have some dirty laundry they would air. The whole system is corrupt. Rotten to the core and more than a few bad apples. It is a shame it has taken a war like this to shine the spotlight on it.
It was a rhetorical statement and of course you are correct. But at least it highlights the hypocrisy of the system and how it is abused for their own self interest by those in positions of power.
Quote from: J70 on March 02, 2022, 04:32:45 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 02, 2022, 04:22:48 PM
Chelsea up for sale.
3 billion apparently.
1.5 for the club, 1.5 which is owed to Abramowich.
I read in his statement he didn't want loans re-paid
Not going into whatever else goes on in his business life as i haven't a scooby, but from an EPL club point of view he been an excellent owner. Chelsea have really benefited from his stewardship and he's leaving them in a strong position with a very good manager, a strong squad and a debt write off.
His ownership made Chelsea into a Titan of European football. They were little more than an Everton or Spurs when he bought them. He transformed club football in Europe too, the first club to really pour big money into the game. Whilst he lead the way it's probably naive to say he's to blame for the commercialisation of football and the erosion of the traditional football landscape. He was a part of it surely but it was just a matter of time before big business realised they could manipulate football to their own ends. Look how rugby is now inthralled to venture capitalists and hedge funds.
How does the debt write off square up with FFP? Surely breaking some rules?
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 03, 2022, 06:39:01 AM
How does the debt write off square up with FFP? Surely breaking some rules?
I don't see how. Most owners donate their money at the time of spending, rather than loaning it. This is just a delayed donation. The money spent on players was already spent. A significant amount of it prior to FFP even existing.
Quote from: trileacman on March 03, 2022, 12:21:25 AM
His ownership made Chelsea into a Titan of European football. They were little more than an Everton or Spurs when he bought them. He transformed club football in Europe too, the first club to really pour big money into the game. Whilst he lead the way it's probably naive to say he's to blame for the commercialisation of football and the erosion of the traditional football landscape. He was a part of it surely but it was just a matter of time before big business realised they could manipulate football to their own ends. Look how rugby is now inthralled to venture capitalists and hedge funds.
It all started when Liverpool, Man Utd, Spurs, Everton and Arsenal all wanted a bigger slice of TV Money and threatened a break away that eventually became the Premier League. They wanted a better product.
Quote from: shark on March 03, 2022, 07:16:45 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 03, 2022, 06:39:01 AM
How does the debt write off square up with FFP? Surely breaking some rules?
I don't see how. Most owners donate their money at the time of spending, rather than loaning it. This is just a delayed donation. The money spent on players was already spent. A significant amount of it prior to FFP even existing.
Yep.
Maybe not at the time of ownership, as purchase price goes to the previous owners. When City owners pump in money, they do it as additional share capital.
RA paid 140m for the shares from Ken Bates (who had a bought the club with a value of minus 1.5m, because of debt, for just £1!) and RA loaned 1.5 billion to the club for transfers. He's going to get at least 3 billion now, and it won't matter to him whether it's all for his shares or whether part of it is to repay his loan. Better for the club if it's all for his shares, as otherwise the club would have to replace his interest-free debt with interest bearing bank debt.
So I'd imagine the structuring would be that the debt would be initially turned into shares and then the shares sold. Of course the new owner could saddle the club with debt to pay some or all of the 3 billion, like the Glazers did with United and Gillett/Hicks did with Liverpool.
As RA is not tax resident in the UK, he won't pay any UK tax on his profit of 1.4 billion. He became tax resident in Portugal last year, presumably with the sale in mind, so chances are he'll pay little or no tax on his gigantic profit. Haven't seen this is the English press yet, but I'd imagine it'll make front page news at sometime (assuming my analysis is correct - the rule in both Ireland and Uk is that a foreign resident doesn't pay CGT, unless the gain mostly relates to land or buildings or minerals, so while some of Chelsea's value will relate to the grounds and buildings, I'd imagine it wouldn't be near 50%)
Rumours that CR7 wasnt in team today then refused to be part of the squad. Surely not.... 😉
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 06, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
Rumours that CR7 wasnt in team today then refused to be part of the squad. Surely not.... 😉
They might have a chance then, 2-1 Utd
Cavani not for so Elanga leads the line. Varane and shaw both out with covid.
Rangnick said Cavani 'didn't feel quite well enough to play'.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 06, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
Rumours that CR7 wasnt in team today then refused to be part of the squad. Surely not.... 😉
They actually look a bit more balanced
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 06, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
Rumours that CR7 wasnt in team today then refused to be part of the squad. Surely not.... 😉
They actually look a bit more balanced
Been the elephant in the room all season. Cr7. Bruno shadow of player he was last season and a few others.
Thought rashford may have started. Comes on and scores twice 😉
T
Christ!!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 06, 2022, 03:42:48 PM
Rumours that CR7 wasnt in team today then refused to be part of the squad. Surely not.... 😉
Didn't take long for them to shit their jocks.
Hopin for a united win obvs or a 6 0 defeat. Anything in between is no good
City 6 0 it is then.....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 06, 2022, 04:36:51 PM
Hopin for a united win obvs or a 6 0 defeat. Anything in between is no good
City 6 0 it is then.....
Sure it's in you're own hands...
Far tougher run in. Was hopin ronnie paul harry and the boys couldve helped the lads out a bit. How foolish was i..
Sanchoooooooooo
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on March 06, 2022, 04:52:21 PM
Far tougher run in. Was hopin ronnie paul harry and the boys couldve helped the lads out a bit. How foolish was i..
Sanchoooooooooo
Didn't take long for them to give us false hope back...
Regardless of the result today Manchester City look as average today as they did against Tottenham at home. Liverpool should beat them in April to end whatever hope they have of retaining the title.
Didn't take long for them to shit the jocks again.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2022, 05:00:31 PM
Regardless of the result today Manchester City look as average today as they did against Tottenham at home. Liverpool should beat them in April to end whatever hope they have of retaining the title.
Yeah City are shite they deserve f**k all!!
Seems to be loads of medical emergencies in football crowds these days
Quote from: tintin25 on March 06, 2022, 05:12:25 PM
Seems to be loads of medical emergencies in football crowds these days
Is it a new thing to stop the game for these emergencies?
Don't ever remember this happening before
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Yeah City are shite they deserve f**k all!!
Who said they are shite? they'll get what they deserve and at the moment it's Liverpool in better form and their title to lose.
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Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Yeah City are shite they deserve f**k all!!
Who said they are shite? they'll get what they deserve and at the moment it's Liverpool in better form and their title to lose.
Better form?
Quote from: gawa316 on March 06, 2022, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on March 06, 2022, 05:12:25 PM
Seems to be loads of medical emergencies in football crowds these days
Is it a new thing to stop the game for these emergencies?
Don't ever remember this happening before
Yeah it's a new rule where game is stopped. Always the game used to play on as normal. Think a lot of people died as took longer to get assistance in past.
Not liking these new camera angles. The pens for liverpool chelsea last week was crap likewise that free for city there now. Couldnt see the ball past the wall so dont know if degea had a save to make.
Yours, grumpy from ireland
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Quote from: gawa316 on March 06, 2022, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: tintin25 on March 06, 2022, 05:12:25 PM
Seems to be loads of medical emergencies in football crowds these days
Is it a new thing to stop the game for these emergencies?
Don't ever remember this happening before
Yeah it's a new rule where game is stopped. Always the game used to play on as normal. Think a lot of people died as took longer to get assistance in past.
Gotcha...100% makes sense
Don't think anyone is surprised that Man United rolled over and got their bellies tickled by City today.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2022, 05:21:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Yeah City are shite they deserve f**k all!!
Who said they are shite? they'll get what they deserve and at the moment it's Liverpool in better form and their title to lose.
Pep reckons it's the highest level they've played at in years and you think they were "average"...
Lol
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2022, 08:10:21 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 06, 2022, 05:21:31 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2022, 05:11:41 PM
Yeah City are shite they deserve f**k all!!
Who said they are shite? they'll get what they deserve and at the moment it's Liverpool in better form and their title to lose.
Pep reckons it's the highest level they've played at in years and you think they were "average"...
Lol
Not disagreeing with Pep, but if Pep thought this team was below the Kompany/Aguero team, he 100% wouldn't tell anyone publicly.
Quote from: screenexile on March 06, 2022, 08:10:21 PM
Pep reckons it’s the highest level they’ve played at in years and you think they were “average”…
Lol
At the time of posting they were as average as the performance that got them beaten at home by Tottenham recently. Pep would be more honest if he said that was the lowest level Manchester United side he ever faced.
BREAKING:
Chelsea football club.
Just in case anyone was left in any doubt about Abramovic's close links to the Kremlin regime and how he procured a large part of his wealth then the sanction should prove otherwise. It took a war to expose this but English football has facilitated unscrupulous owners and sportswashing for too long now. Chelsea have benefited for almost 20 years from the Abramovic sports washing project but there are countless other clubs used in the same manner. Cue yet more hypocrisy from fans of English club teams in the name of football tribalism.
UK Govt claims Roman Abramovich "is or has been involved in destabilising Ukraine...via Evraz PLC, a steel manufacturing and mining company...over which Abramovich exercises effective control". Govt claims potential links between Evraz "and supplying steel to the Russian military".
The sanctions against Abramovich are gonna bust Chelsea. Can see a situation where contracts are torn up at the end of the season and all players can move. They could be gone as a PL team by next season, they are effectively liquidated.
Singing Abramovichs name during an minutes applause for Ukrainian victims doesn't seem so clever now, does it?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2022, 10:15:56 AM
The sanctions against Abramovich are gonna bust Chelsea. Can see a situation where contracts are torn up at the end of the season and all players can move. They could be gone as a PL team by next season, they are effectively liquidated.
Did he not recently put ownership of the club in a trust, so officially he doesn't still own it, but we all know better than that!
Whether it's in a trust or not, according to the news it means there's no transfers allowed into Chelsea and no more income generation allowed. So effectively they're in limbo. Can he actually sell the club while assets are frozen? If it is sold, where does the money go to because Roman can't get his hands on it. Good riddance anyway.
Reading there its only to the 31st of May whilst they fund a buyer. No transfer window in between? So only non season holder ticket sales and merchandise affected? I'm sure there's a bit more to it but I'm sure the Tories have him well covered.
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 10, 2022, 10:15:56 AM
The sanctions against Abramovich are gonna bust Chelsea. Can see a situation where contracts are torn up at the end of the season and all players can move. They could be gone as a PL team by next season, they are effectively liquidated.
Did he not recently put ownership of the club in a trust, so officially he doesn't still own it, but we all know better than that!
Ownership was never transferred, he offered the 'stewardship' of the club to the trustees. Two different things a last minute attempt to get out from below it with some cash from the imminent sale.
This action scuppers this as far as i can see.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 10, 2022, 10:18:25 AM
Singing Abramovichs name during an minutes applause for Ukrainian victims doesn't seem so clever now, does it?
Those supporters are not known to be the smartest.
Chelsea have benefitted from Abramovich's ill-gotten gains for many years, some sort of reckoning was always possible while the club was owned by such a dubious individual. Will anything in the foreseeable be done about Manchester City, Newcastle ownership? Whom brazenly trying to "sportswash" their country's "deeply tarnished image" by pouring money into the Premier League, the English government should never have ignored that.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on March 10, 2022, 11:53:48 AM
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 10, 2022, 10:18:25 AM
Singing Abramovichs name during an minutes applause for Ukrainian victims doesn't seem so clever now, does it?
Those supporters are not known to be the smartest.
Chelsea have benefitted from Abramovich's ill-gotten gains for many years, some sort of reckoning was always possible while the club was owned by such a dubious individual. Will anything in the foreseeable be done about Manchester City, Newcastle ownership? Whom brazenly trying to "sportswash" their country's "deeply tarnished image" by pouring money into the Premier League, the English government should never have ignored that.
City and Newcastle's owners don't piss off the Americans and only kill/exploit brown people so it's all good......
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on March 10, 2022, 11:22:47 AM
Reading there its only to the 31st of May whilst they fund a buyer. No transfer window in between? So only non season holder ticket sales and merchandise affected? I'm sure there's a bit more to it but I'm sure the Tories have him well covered.
I'll be very surprised if a buyer isn't found before then although looking at those who are apparently interested they won't run the club like Roman has done, I'd say their golden period is finished.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 10, 2022, 10:18:25 AM
Singing Abramovichs name during an minutes applause for Ukrainian victims doesn't seem so clever now, does it?
Drunken men in a large group seem to collectively adopt the lowest IQ of the members of the group.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer fanbase.
As a gooner I'm delighted. A horrible club and rotten fans!
Potentially huge news but i wont get too excited just yet as no doubt a way will be found to get around.
And what odds we are having the same convos in ten yrs time about city, newcastle etc etc
Football is corrupt. Chelsea will find a way around this. Prob already have.
Quote from: snoopdog on March 10, 2022, 02:53:15 PM
Football is corrupt. Chelsea will find a way around this. Prob already have.
It would be nice to see the original cheats buried into the history books all the same.
Apparently each of their teams have an allowance of 20,000 sterling for each away game.
Should make things interesting if they get through to further ties in the CL. Especially with jet fuel prices going through the roof I'm sure.
Shades of the movie Major League back in the day maybe when the owner was trying to cheapskate the team into losing ;D
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The Chelsea club shop is closed. Go bhfoire Dia orainn
3 have suspended their sponsor ship and want their logo removed from the Chelsea jersey.
Unlikely that they'll ever see the same riches again under any new owners. Their golden age is finished.
Quote from: Armamike on March 10, 2022, 06:54:56 PM
Unlikely that they'll ever see the same riches again under any new owners. Their golden age is finished.
Be interesting to see how their business model goes without a sugar daddy.
They seem to make quite a few quid on their loanee business and then sell them off for mostly good money, i.e. Bamford, Abraham etc etc.
Abramovich was more than just a sugar daddy.
How will Chelsea make their wage bill of £30m p/m?
And should they find a buyer, who gets the proceeds of the sale seeing as the government condition of sale is that Abramovitch be excluded?
Quote from: johnnycool on March 10, 2022, 07:16:42 PM
Quote from: Armamike on March 10, 2022, 06:54:56 PM
Unlikely that they'll ever see the same riches again under any new owners. Their golden age is finished.
Be interesting to see how their business model goes without a sugar daddy.
They seem to make quite a few quid on their loanee business and then sell them off for mostly good money, i.e. Bamford, Abraham etc etc.
Yeah but won't have the money to hoover up all the young talent. All the potential bidders were basically investors and would be looking to run a profit, not allow it to run with one and a half billion pound of debt.
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2022, 08:03:58 PM
Abramovich was more than just a sugar daddy.
How will Chelsea make their wage bill of £30m p/m?
And should they find a buyer, who gets the proceeds of the sale seeing as the government condition of sale is that Abramovitch be excluded?
Abramovich was proposing to donate it to victims of the war last week.
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2022, 08:03:58 PM
Abramovich was more than just a sugar daddy.
How will Chelsea make their wage bill of £30m p/m?
And should they find a buyer, who gets the proceeds of the sale seeing as the government condition of sale is that Abramovitch be excluded?
To the latter question probably the tories or some of their donors :(
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2022, 08:13:47 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2022, 08:03:58 PM
Abramovich was more than just a sugar daddy.
How will Chelsea make their wage bill of £30m p/m?
And should they find a buyer, who gets the proceeds of the sale seeing as the government condition of sale is that Abramovitch be excluded?
Abramovich was proposing to donate it to victims of the war last week.
He never specified which victims.
Some craic here!
https://www.ft.com/content/2f48216d-2d51-4f78-9117-15cb5c9bad78
"It was the Chelsea football club element that was squared off quite late because we had to make sure we had the licensing arrangement in place and ensure the fans weren't being impacted and the club could still operate," said one government official.
"We also needed to ensure there was potential there for allowing him to sell the club without making any money from it. We had to make sure Chelsea as an institution would continue regardless of whether he was the owner or not."
Should Man City and Newcastle face the same sanctions? Manchester United and Liverpool also??
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 07:45:43 AM
Should Man City and Newcastle face the same sanctions? Manchester United and Liverpool also??
City and Newcastle should.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 07:45:43 AM
Should Man City and Newcastle face the same sanctions? Manchester United and Liverpool also??
Why Man U and Liverpool?
Quote from: Armamike on March 12, 2022, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 07:45:43 AM
Should Man City and Newcastle face the same sanctions? Manchester United and Liverpool also??
Why Man U and Liverpool?
Their owners are more than likely paying tax to the USA government who have roles in many conflicts. Unsure where the other clubs' owners are from but they're the 'big two'.
Well this has taken a twist. I suppose as some of us pay UK tax we are culpable too then....
I pay plenty tax and now I'm a war criminal or supporter of wars that the uk are involved in for past 34 years!
Can I get out of paying that for those reasons?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 09:39:34 AM
Quote from: Armamike on March 12, 2022, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 07:45:43 AM
Should Man City and Newcastle face the same sanctions? Manchester United and Liverpool also??
Why Man U and Liverpool?
Their owners are more than likely paying tax to the USA government who have roles in many conflicts. Unsure where the other clubs' owners are from but they're the 'big two'.
This is daft. If the Glazers or Fenway were just proxies for the US government then there may be an equivalence. But they're not, so there isn't.
Bizarre not giving a red card there 🤷♂️
Quote from: laoislad on March 12, 2022, 12:53:10 PM
Bizarre not giving a red card there 🤷♂️
If he missed would've been a red and a pen?
Jesus not even a yellow....
Madness there was no red for that when you see some of the soft reds flying about the past couple years.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 09:39:34 AM
Quote from: Armamike on March 12, 2022, 09:30:43 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on March 12, 2022, 07:45:43 AM
Should Man City and Newcastle face the same sanctions? Manchester United and Liverpool also??
Why Man U and Liverpool?
Their owners are more than likely paying tax to the USA government who have roles in many conflicts. Unsure where the other clubs' owners are from but they're the 'big two'.
Some outside the box thinking there.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/11/shouldnt-someone-in-football-also-care-about-the-war-in-yemen-just-a-little
Just seen that tackle on Diaz there on MOTD. G that was Harold Schumacher terrority, absolutely horrible.
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2022, 10:05:12 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/11/shouldnt-someone-in-football-also-care-about-the-war-in-yemen-just-a-little
Barney Ronay is generally pretty strong on it. Hasn't gone after City though as the MSM are genuinely afraid of them. The colour of the skin and the colour of the flag (money) determines who can be attacked or not. City and Newcastle will be attacked in due course though
The headline match today is a club built on funds stolen from the sale of Russian state assets and an owner facing sanctions because of his links to the Kremlin. Against a state responsible for bombing Yemen and who yesterday executed a record 81 men in a single day. But the premier league and football authorities have enabled this and gullible tribal fans continue to lap it up.
Quote from: yellowcard on March 13, 2022, 09:57:03 AM
The headline match today is a club built on funds stolen from the sale of Russian state assets and an owner facing sanctions because of his links to the Kremlin. Against a state responsible for bombing Yemen and who yesterday executed a record 81 men in a single day. But the premier league and football authorities have enabled this and gullible tribal fans continue to lap it up.
The double standards are a disgrace. But it's nothing new. Whats happening in Ukraine is a disgrace but the same and worse has been happening in Palestine, Yemen and more without a word being said.
Quote from: laoislad on March 13, 2022, 07:08:38 PM
If Arsenal don't get Top 4 it will be the most Arsenal thing ever.
Wasn't getting top 4 a very Arsenal thing to do.
Quote from: Armagh18 on March 13, 2022, 01:27:35 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on March 13, 2022, 09:57:03 AM
The headline match today is a club built on funds stolen from the sale of Russian state assets and an owner facing sanctions because of his links to the Kremlin. Against a state responsible for bombing Yemen and who yesterday executed a record 81 men in a single day. But the premier league and football authorities have enabled this and gullible tribal fans continue to lap it up.
The double standards are a disgrace. But it's nothing new. Whats happening in Ukraine is a disgrace but the same and worse has been happening in Palestine, Yemen and more without a word being said.
Now now don't be bringing politics into sport :-X
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 13, 2022, 07:15:56 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 13, 2022, 07:08:38 PM
If Arsenal don't get Top 4 it will be the most Arsenal thing ever.
Wasn't getting top 4 a very Arsenal thing to do.
Celebrating it like a title win used to be a very Arsenal thing.
Quote from: RedHand88 on March 13, 2022, 09:30:42 PM
Quote from: mrdeeds on March 13, 2022, 07:15:56 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 13, 2022, 07:08:38 PM
If Arsenal don't get Top 4 it will be the most Arsenal thing ever.
Wasn't getting top 4 a very Arsenal thing to do.
Celebrating it like a title win used to be a very Arsenal thing.
If they miss out surely it's Spursy.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on March 13, 2022, 08:41:05 AM
Quote from: ONeill on March 12, 2022, 10:05:12 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/mar/11/shouldnt-someone-in-football-also-care-about-the-war-in-yemen-just-a-little
Barney Ronay is generally pretty strong on it. Hasn't gone after City though as the MSM are genuinely afraid of them. The colour of the skin and the colour of the flag (money) determines who can be attacked or not. City and Newcastle will be attacked in due course though
It's all a bit moot though. That breakaway attempt last year, which still isn't dead in the water, shows that most of these owners a blood-sucking leeches, no moreso than the Yanks.
4-1 city I feel ;)
Abramovich Panorama exposé on bbc1 now
All feels a bit Jimmy saville esque. Expose when you have to :o
Palace even time wasting before kick off at half time!
Games like this City need at a no 9.
Quote from: imtommygunn on March 14, 2022, 09:01:39 PM
All feels a bit Jimmy saville esque. Expose when you have to :o
Would sicken ye. No way all this came to light in the past fortnight. There for all to see but all happy to turn a blind eye
Anyway. Up Palace 😊
Liverpool's quadruple to lose.
Quote from: laoislad on March 13, 2022, 07:08:38 PM
If Arsenal don't get Top 4 it will be the most Arsenal thing ever.
Arsenal finishing 4th shows how poor Premier League is. They are always poor against Liverpool and Man City. One win in seven years against Liverpool Will be a good night for Liverpool to capitalise and boost their score difference.
That was a defo 9 for that dive!!
Some draw for the semifinal, City Liverpool will be a cracker
What site are people watching now Hesgoal has stopped Prem games? I have Sky Sports but no BT
Zola is standing between Peter Crouch and Rio!! I'd do well not to stand with those guys either ;)
4-1 home defeat against Brentford, has the arse fallen out of Chelsea already.
United have more chance to score an own goal then scoring against Leicester
Quote from: laoislad on March 13, 2022, 07:08:38 PM
If Arsenal don't get Top 4 it will be the most Arsenal thing ever.
👀
Man City v Liverpool looks like a relegation 6 pointer
Quote from: laoislad on April 09, 2022, 04:45:43 PM
Quote from: laoislad on March 13, 2022, 07:08:38 PM
If Arsenal don't get Top 4 it will be the most Arsenal thing ever.
👀
Their form is awful. Lost 3 of the last 5 . Tottenham won 4 out of 5
https://www.premierleague.com/tables
Entertaining game today. Those two are streets ahead of the rest of the league. City just slightly better today and probably should have won the game.
Was surprised at how submissive Liverpool were today. They're better than that. Salah was a passenger.
Quote from: ONeill on April 10, 2022, 10:54:48 PM
Was surprised at how submissive Liverpool were today. They're better than that. Salah was a passenger.
He was a passenger. But his reputation has held him in high esteem with opponents. And for just that he had to play against Man City. Not starting him would send out the wrong message!
Quote from: From the Bunker on April 10, 2022, 11:03:56 PM
Quote from: ONeill on April 10, 2022, 10:54:48 PM
Was surprised at how submissive Liverpool were today. They're better than that. Salah was a passenger.
He was a passenger. But his reputation has held him in high esteem with opponents. And for just that he had to play against Man City. Not starting him would send out the wrong message!
You'd never not start him, Jota though is an unreal prospect. And when I say prospect he's brilliant at he minute and can only get better
Sean Dyche sacked by Burnley. Can't help but think they'll live to regret it.
Finding it hard to understand in what way Dyche was underachieving. He's had Burnley punching a full division above their weight for nearly a decade.
He has significntly overachieved. That's a very poor decision Burnley will pay for I suspect.
Poor form from the club to leave it this late in the day, if this was thinking he should have gone at Christmas.
On the other hand, a new manager comes in and wins half their remaining games keeping them up it will be seen as a master stroke.
Did no see that coming. Interesting see who'll replace him. Is he th new man u manager ?
He always got very little backing too in transfer to market.
Quote from: oakleaflad on April 15, 2022, 11:17:10 AM
Sean Dyche sacked by Burnley. Can't help but think they'll live to regret it.
No way! :o
Quote from: imtommygunn on April 15, 2022, 11:53:35 AM
He has significntly overachieved. That's a very poor decision Burnley will pay for I suspect.
They might find it very hard to (a) get back into the premier league and (b) stay there on a budget like they've been doing for years without Dyche.
Quote from: Denn Forever on April 15, 2022, 12:15:02 PM
Did no see that coming. Interesting see who'll replace him. Is he th new man u manager ?
;D
Enter Rafa.
He will relegate Everton.
Make that film.
Quote from: RedHand88 on April 15, 2022, 12:46:40 PM
Enter Rafa.
He will relegate Everton.
Make that film.
He made a brave fist of that already.. :D
Apparently this now makes Klopp the longest serving current Premier League manager.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 15, 2022, 11:32:10 AM
Finding it hard to understand in what way Dyche was underachieving. He's had Burnley punching a full division above their weight for nearly a decade.
Pound for pound the best manager in the league. Burnley without him would be a middle of the road championship team.
Never paid much attention to the takeover of Burnley but the finance deal looks like one that will end in tears. Someone has obviously shit the pants at the thought of relegation.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/feb/02/burnley-us-takeover-has-left-club-90m-worse-off-and-loaded-with-debt
Does no one want to finish 4th?
Tuchel blamed the poor Stamford Bridge pitch for defeat last night to Arsenal. Chelsea once played on this pitch.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ11YE8WQAEegOy?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Quote from: Captain Obvious on April 21, 2022, 03:13:53 PM
Tuchel blamed the poor Stamford Bridge pitch for defeat last night to Arsenal. Chelsea once played on this pitch.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FQ11YE8WQAEegOy?format=jpg&name=360x360)
Is that 80's beach football?
When Saka was awarded the penalty, on first view I thought this was amazing, even historic, the first time Saka won a decision without a simulation of sorts. But alas my celebratory mood was cut short on viewing the replays.
I mean, yeah, it's Chelsea and all, so it's hilarious, but what is the point of having VAR if that penalty decision is allowed stand?
Man United doing their best to avoid the Europa Conference League 2-0 down already.
Arsenal doing their best to avoid the Champions League 2-1 now 😂
Good chance for Liverpool put another dent in Everton goal difference. Great win Burnley.
Poor Everton
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
I wouldn't miss the derby. It is 2 extra difficult games in the schedule that we really don't need.
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 30, 2022, 06:12:34 PM
I wouldn't miss the derby. It is 2 extra difficult games in the schedule that we really don't need.
Am I right in interpreting this as you don't enjoy competitive sport so much as watching your team win at a canter?
Scotland is the place for you.
Quote from: thewobbler on April 30, 2022, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on April 30, 2022, 06:12:34 PM
I wouldn't miss the derby. It is 2 extra difficult games in the schedule that we really don't need.
Am I right in interpreting this as you don't enjoy competitive sport so much as watching your team win at a canter?
Scotland is the place for you.
And do you understand the concept of derby rivalry................ ;)
Quote from: Ghost on April 30, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
Yes.
Not really any respect, they're as scummy as any other club that are jealous of Liverpool.
Wouldn't miss the derby, would miss the 6 points and rubbing it into them though.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 30, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ghost on April 30, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
Yes.
Not really any respect, they're as scummy as any other club that are jealous of Liverpool.
Wouldn't miss the derby, would miss the 6 points and rubbing it into them though.
And people wonder why neutrals are cheering city
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 30, 2022, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 30, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ghost on April 30, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
Yes.
Not really any respect, they're as scummy as any other club that are jealous of Liverpool.
Wouldn't miss the derby, would miss the 6 points and rubbing it into them though.
And people wonder why neutrals are cheering city
Are they really? Barstooler comments like the one above should be ignored. Not a person I know who lives in Liverpool or goes to the games wants Everton relegated, well not really. Family and friendships tie the clubs, plenty of banter but the crass stuff like above comes from pub fans usually miles from the stadium
Quote from: Hoof Hearted on April 30, 2022, 09:52:28 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 30, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ghost on April 30, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
Yes.
Not really any respect, they're as scummy as any other club that are jealous of Liverpool.
Wouldn't miss the derby, would miss the 6 points and rubbing it into them though.
And people wonder why neutrals are cheering city
Because they don't want the most successful club in England getting even more successful?
Had spoken to a couple of real Liverpool supporters this week. They said they don't want Everton down. It's one of the few cities in Europe where families don't support the same team en masse. The chav attitude comes from those in Ireland mostly.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 30, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ghost on April 30, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
Yes.
Not really any respect, they're as scummy as any other club that are jealous of Liverpool.
Wouldn't miss the derby, would miss the 6 points and rubbing it into them though.
you're either very young or have a very short memory
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 30, 2022, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 30, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ghost on April 30, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
Yes.
Not really any respect, they're as scummy as any other club that are jealous of Liverpool.
Wouldn't miss the derby, would miss the 6 points and rubbing it into them though.
you're either very young or have a very short memory
Neither.
Ah, you're counting the result last season in front of an empty anfield where Liverpool had half a team due to injury and the match at Goodson where Liverpool were robbed. Business as usual other than that.
Most Scouse Liverpool fans want Everton down too after last week, that's quite clear. Hopefully it happens.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 30, 2022, 11:24:03 PM
Most Scouse Liverpool fans want Everton down too after last week, that's quite clear. Hopefully it happens.
Let it go ffs.......
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on April 30, 2022, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on April 30, 2022, 09:08:23 PM
Quote from: Ghost on April 30, 2022, 05:04:51 PM
Quote from: laoislad on April 30, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
2 goals in a couple of minutes for Burnley puts them in front against Watford.
👀
Are Liverpool fans looking Everton to go down? I know the gloating and laughing at the others misfortune is part of any rivalry but there seems to be a level of respect between the clubs and I'm sure Liverpool fans would miss the Derby.
Yes.
Not really any respect, they're as scummy as any other club that are jealous of Liverpool.
Wouldn't miss the derby, would miss the 6 points and rubbing it into them though.
you're either very young or have a very short memory
I'm 46, have been supporting Liverpool since the early 80s, I grew up on Peter Reid and Steve McMahon kicking lumps out of each other...The FA Cup Finals of 86 and 89 are the most vivid in the memory. But they are now teams miles apart. The Merseyside Derby has some local bragging rights but Everton are an irrelevance now and although geographically close to Anfield they may as well be playing a different sport such is the difference in fortunes.
Quote from: ONeill on April 30, 2022, 10:51:11 PM
Had spoken to a couple of real Liverpool supporters this week. They said they don't want Everton down. It's one of the few cities in Europe where families don't support the same team en masse. The chav attitude comes from those in Ireland mostly.
When over for a game a few years ago, I did Peter Carney's Soccer in the City tour. Liverpool fan through and through, and famous for the banners he makes (including the Hillsborough and Sean Cox ones). At least as a tour host, he was very complementary about Everton and the historically amicable rivalry and talked about a cousin who had played a bit for them. He even included a drive-by of that little tower/holding cell that was the inspiration for their crest.
That said, there are a lot of people who say it's become really toxic in some quarters. It can't be just the Heysel ban as the '86 and '89 cup finals were great occasions with both sets of fans intermingling widely. I'm sure social media amplifying loudmouth, inflammatory idiots these days doesn't help.
Big wins for Arsenal and Spurs today, against potentially tricky opponents. That puts the hammers and mancs out of the race for the the last CL spot. North London derby to come too, hopefully that decides it.
Leeds look favourites to go down now, after looking safe not so long ago. But still a 3 horse race for the last relegation spot and plenty can happen over the last 4 games (or 5 for Everton). Out of the three teams, I like the Leeds lads the best, but I think their new yank manager is a complete dick. A very unlikeable character.
I think the Leeds manager is a bluffer rather than unlikeable but was looking forward to hearing more from him all the same. Momentum with the other 2 teams at the minute
Quote from: Hound on May 01, 2022, 06:37:45 PM
Big wins for Arsenal and Spurs today, against potentially tricky opponents. That puts the hammers and mancs out of the race for the the last CL spot. North London derby to come too, hopefully that decides it.
Spurs have to go to Anfield. That's pretty much a guaranteed loss, which would be too big of a hole to climb out of this late in the season.
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 01, 2022, 06:40:19 PM
I think the Leeds manager is a bluffer rather than unlikeable but was looking forward to hearing more from him all the same. Momentum with the other 2 teams at the minute
I find him very unlikeable.
Bringing the players out to speak to them on the pitch - message being 'this is all about me'.
Then slagging off Bielsa. Seemingly didn't realize how popular his predecessor was, then has to make a mealymouth apology.
Albeit the Leeds lads far better placed than me to comment
Quote from: Hound on May 01, 2022, 06:37:45 PM
Big wins for Arsenal and Spurs today, against potentially tricky opponents. That puts the hammers and mancs out of the race for the the last CL spot. North London derby to come too, hopefully that decides it.
Leeds look favourites to go down now, after looking safe not so long ago. But still a 3 horse race for the last relegation spot and plenty can happen over the last 4 games (or 5 for Everton). Out of the three teams, I like the Leeds lads the best, but I think their new yank manager is a complete dick. A very unlikeable character.
Burnley have momentum after beating Watford.
They have Villa x2,Tottenham and Newcastle. I wouldn't fancy them.
Dunno how this game will end up, but this is the 2nd time in succession I've watched Liverpool leave a team punch drunk. Villarreal were done at half time despite 2-0 up. Staggering off for the break. Spurs look like a side that has played 300 minutes. Maybe they'll sneak a draw but Liverpool are something else.
This is heartbreaking for Liverpool. They're one of the best teams that league has produced but have only one title to show for it and even at that they never really got to enjoy it. Wouldn't matter if they won 10 CLs in a row, winning your league is the only thing really. If there is a God, City will slip up this year, or Liverpool win it next couple of years. When Arsenal had a good side, the won it, then didn't win it for 3 years, then won 2 of the next 3. Could be same for Pool.
Fair play ung O'Neill, true words. Theres little doubt theyre one of the best teams ive seen in my time but end of the day its titles that are the measure.
Ignoring all the infighting from the traditional big teams and fans theres a city team gona get their 4th title in 5yrs and its only pool that have come close in most of those years. Last thing anyone wants is a league similar to where PSG and Bayern win each year at a canter.
I take solace in that we broke our 30yr duck won no6 also and are in 2 finals and are in great shape moving forward
The champions league is the big one. True it would be nice to win the league more often and City are spoiling Liverpools fun but City still have no champions league titles.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2022, 10:19:46 PM
The champions league is the big one. True it would be nice to win the league more often and City are spoiling Liverpools fun but City still have no champions league titles.
Winning the League puts us joint top with Man u with 20 titles. That dilutes huge bragging rites!
If Liverpool can slip up so can City
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2022, 10:19:46 PM
The champions league is the big one. True it would be nice to win the league more often and City are spoiling Liverpools fun but City still have no champions league titles.
Think not having that away goal shite has improved the competition but winning your own league over 38 games, and the mental and physical pressure of that, trumps a cup competition. Actually had to Google last year's CL final to see who won.
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 07, 2022, 10:22:32 PM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 07, 2022, 10:19:46 PM
The champions league is the big one. True it would be nice to win the league more often and City are spoiling Liverpools fun but City still have no champions league titles.
Winning the League puts us joint top with Man u with 20 titles. That dilutes huge bragging rites!
This. And Shankly said the league was our bread and butter thats good enough for me.
If we were lucky enough to win 3or4 leagues in a short space your preference could change but until then its the league for me
Winning your league is the only thing.seriously, this is only a English and sky mentality thing, IE: We the best league in the world etc, Load of crap to be honest. Champions of Europe always been the Big boy on the Block etc, They always been the titles that matter.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2022, 11:02:55 PM
Winning your league is the only thing.seriously, this is only a English and sky mentality thing, IE: We the best league in the world etc, Load of crap to be honest. Champions of Europe always been the Big boy on the Block etc, They always been the titles that matter.
Not always the champions that win it, bit diluted nowadays
Suppose it like winning an Ireland through the bck door, you take it if you can get it.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 07, 2022, 11:08:50 PM
Suppose it like winning an Ireland through the bck door, you take it if you can get it.
Much preferred the original tbh, All Ireland that is
Yous cant' see that O'Neill is taking the píss, feckin' crocodile tears over the fate of Liverpool re the title.
Klopp wasn't happy with Spurs tactics... probably wanted them to play like Utd
Quote from: ONeill on May 07, 2022, 09:24:03 PM
Dunno how this game will end up, but this is the 2nd time in succession I've watched Liverpool leave a team punch drunk. Villarreal were done at half time despite 2-0 up. Staggering off for the break. Spurs look like a side that has played 300 minutes. Maybe they'll sneak a draw but Liverpool are something else.
PED's.
Everton save now surely.
Newcastle obviously didn't read the script
Decent response from Manchester City today from their Champions league exit. Title race still very much in the balance. Manchester City move three ahead however have two banana skin fixtures coming up against West Ham, Wolves away. Liverpool should and likely will win their remaining three games.
That last goal was like an extra point...
West Ham would be the only possibility of a slip up as they are actually playing for something..
Maybe a twist or turn yet. Stevie will throw the kids out during the week I'd imagine
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
That last goal was like an extra point...
West Ham would be the only possibility of a slip up as they are actually playing for something..
Maybe a twist or turn yet. Stevie will throw the kids out during the week I'd imagine
Liverpool will definitely have to win the FA Cup now to have any chance of playing in the Community Shield final!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 08, 2022, 07:07:03 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 08, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
That last goal was like an extra point...
West Ham would be the only possibility of a slip up as they are actually playing for something..
Maybe a twist or turn yet. Stevie will throw the kids out during the week I'd imagine
Liverpool will definitely have to win the FA Cup now to have any chance of playing in the Community Shield final!
Otherwise the season will be a flop
Ruben Dias, Kyle Walker and John Stones will all miss the remainder of the Premier League season, Man City boss Pep Guardiola has confirmed. That's a major boost to Liverpool chances.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 08, 2022, 08:30:25 PM
Ruben Dias, Kyle Walker and John Stones will all miss the remainder of the Premier League season, Man City boss Pep Guardiola has confirmed. That's a major boost to Liverpool chances.
If Liverpool were playing them I'd imagine...
It'll be tough away to the Hammers, Wolves will be stubborn Villa at home will be handy
Sure 2 wins and a draw does them. Shes over lads
I dunno. If a team puts it up to City, and they're having an off-day, I'm not sure they have the fight in the belly.
Haaland fo City, all but confirmed. They will be hard stopped.
Even if Citu were to lose a game, Liverpool have a 4 goal goal difference to overturn, which is very difficult to do in 3 games considering City could get another 4 or 5 nil in their last 3 games.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 09, 2022, 10:36:03 AM
Even if Citu were to lose a game, Liverpool have a 4 goal goal difference to overturn, which is very difficult to do in 3 games considering City could get another 4 or 5 nil in their last 3 games.
I wouldn't be shocked to see plenty of changes tomorrow night now that League is gone. FA Cup final on Saturday is of more importance now.
Quote from: toby47 on May 09, 2022, 09:57:08 AM
Haaland fo City, all but confirmed. They will be hard stopped.
Depends on how he adapts to the Premier League but yeah a massive signing for them and if he does hit the ground running City could be unstoppable.
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Haaland fo City, all but confirmed. They will be hard stopped.
Depends on how he adapts to the Premier League but yeah a massive signing for them and if he does hit the ground running City could be unstoppable.
Pep will probably play him in nets.
Seriously though, lad has the ability to score 60 goals a season for the next 10 plus years with the service he'll get in that City team. Scary.
At least Haaland hasn't ended up at United.
City will be unstoppable with a centre forward of Haalands quality. Liverpool would need to win all their games to stop them.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 09, 2022, 12:27:43 PM
At least Haaland hasn't ended up at United.
City will be unstoppable with a centre forward of Haalands quality. Liverpool would need to win all their games to stop them.
Only hope is that he doesn't adjust to the league or his injury record gets worse in a more physical league.
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Quote from: Capt Pat on May 09, 2022, 12:27:43 PM
At least Haaland hasn't ended up at United.
City will be unstoppable with a centre forward of Haalands quality. Liverpool would need to win all their games to stop them.
Only hope is that he doesn't adjust to the league or his injury record gets worse in a more physical league.
Ya wouldn't be wanting his injury issues to get worse ffs! He's an exciting player will be interesting to see are they line up and how Pep will keep everyone happy with the rotation.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 09, 2022, 12:27:43 PM
At least Haaland hasn't ended up at United
City will be unstoppable with a centre forward of Haalands quality. Liverpool would need to win all their games to stop them.
Would have been better for Liverpool if he did. Was never going to happen especially with his dad influencing this move.
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Haaland has the potential to hit or get close to Messi and Ronaldo levels. As good as Kane is Haaland has the potential to be far better.
Kane has changed his game from being an out and out striker, whether City are looking for another player to drift from midfield out to the wing and back into the box I don't know, I believe they have plenty of those players that fit that bill. This lad will probably have a different job to what Kane is doing now, in fairness for the price they are getting him and should he improve he'll go for double in 5 years time, so its good business..
People have moaned that City don't have a proper striker, and when the chips are down and when City lose the odd game pundits throw out the same excuse, City haven't a plan b..
He could end up being plan a or plan b who knows and if City didn't buy him a rival would have
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I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Haaland has the potential to hit or get close to Messi and Ronaldo levels. As good as Kane is Haaland has the potential to be far better.
And he also has the potential to be a Shevchenko, Mutu, Forlan, Morata, Lukaku, Werner.
It would seem less likely in a city side that will put goals on a plate for him. But the presence of so many Chelsea flops on that list suggests that billionaire owners care little for your potential to the club, should you not hit the ground running with goals.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Haaland has the potential to hit or get close to Messi and Ronaldo levels. As good as Kane is Haaland has the potential to be far better.
And he also has the potential to be a Shevchenko, Mutu, Forlan, Morata, Lukaku, Werner.
It would seem less likely in a city side that will put goals on a plate for him. But the presence of so many Chelsea flops on that list suggests that billionaire owners care little for your potential to the club, should you not hit the ground running with goals.
£63M for Haaland makes it less of a gamble that £100 odd that Levy was looking for a 30 plus Kane.
Kane would probably score goals anywhere but I think he's missed the boat in terms of a big move unless Newcastle make him their talisman this summer.
Would expect Liverpool to boost their goal difference tonight. Aston Villa in holiday mode the last couple months and Stevie G will be auditioning for a future liverpool manager role. Coutinho starting tonight, has been very poor the last few games. Buendia MOTM against Burnley dropped for Coutinho.
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I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Haaland has the potential to hit or get close to Messi and Ronaldo levels. As good as Kane is Haaland has the potential to be far better.
And he also has the potential to be a Shevchenko, Mutu, Forlan, Morata, Lukaku, Werner.
It would seem less likely in a city side that will put goals on a plate for him. But the presence of so many Chelsea flops on that list suggests that billionaire owners care little for your potential to the club, should you not hit the ground running with goals.
£63M for Haaland makes it less of a gamble that £100 odd that Levy was looking for a 30 plus Kane.
Kane would probably score goals anywhere but I think he's missed the boat in terms of a big move unless Newcastle make him their talisman this summer.
£63M with ++ + on top, in memory of Mino.
Add in the salary of £18m p/a similar to De Bruine. How the top football clubs have maneuvered away from Financial Fair Play towards Financial For Play.
The selling point of the move to Haaland was that City wouldnt stand in the way of his next move to RM or Barca.
I think that points to City's place in world football may be no bad thing that they recognise this but it still is a bit mad.
Oil money isnt everything it seems.
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The selling point of the move to Haaland was that City wouldnt stand in the way of his next move to RM or Barca.
I think that points to City's place in world football may be no bad thing that they recognise this but it still is a bit mad.
Oil money isnt everything it seems.
Pep maybe has eyes on taking over Barca again and taking Haaland with him.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Haaland has the potential to hit or get close to Messi and Ronaldo levels. As good as Kane is Haaland has the potential to be far better.
And he also has the potential to be a Shevchenko, Mutu, Forlan, Morata, Lukaku, Werner.
It would seem less likely in a city side that will put goals on a plate for him. But the presence of so many Chelsea flops on that list suggests that billionaire owners care little for your potential to the club, should you not hit the ground running with goals.
£63M for Haaland makes it less of a gamble that £100 odd that Levy was looking for a 30 plus Kane.
Kane would probably score goals anywhere but I think he's missed the boat in terms of a big move unless Newcastle make him their talisman this summer.
£63M with ++ + on top, in memory of Mino.
Add in the salary of £18m p/a similar to De Bruine. How the top football clubs have maneuvered away from Financial Fair Play towards Financial For Play.
And Harry Kane wasn't getting a salary if he'd signed?
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Kane doesn't score enough goals anymore.
Kane falls over a lot.
City might want to buy him just so as Spurs don't take 6 points off them again next season.
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I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Kane doesn't score enough goals anymore.
In 203 less minutes played Son Heung-min has scored 7 more Premier league goals than Kane this season.
Kevin De Bruyne is some man for one man.
City could still slip up...
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City could still slip up...
Doing an Rodrygo i think it's called now.
KDB is without doubt the PL player of the year
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City could still slip up...
They value qualifying for The Community Shield final to much to let it slip now!
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City could still slip up...
They value qualifying for The Community Shield final to much to let it slip now!
They have a chance still on Saturday, will be the icing on the cake with the quad... I'm hoping West Ham hammer city for other reasons, Fodens miss could be crucial come the end of the season.
Can't see Liverpool dropping any points and will surely build on their score difference
City will have to slip twice. League is over.
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City will have to slip twice. League is over.
Liverpool looked pretty flat the other night, a few injury concerns building, Klopp not using the squad players like Jones, Elliot anywhere the same amount he was earlier in the season means that he's sticking with the tried and trusted come the business end now.
Two league games, FA Cup and CL final. He'll need the medical team to work a few miracles to keep them patched up.
Origi wasn't given too much game time as that would have triggered another years extension to his contract, who knew?
Ronaldo gets player of the month after scoring a hattrick against a relegated club.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 12, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
Ronaldo gets player of the month after scoring a hattrick against a relegated club.
Was the trophy an engraved watch?
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 12, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
Ronaldo gets player of the month after scoring a hattrick against a relegated club.
Aye that was it. The open top bus is ordered
KDB will get one for scoring a hattrick with his left foot
Arsenal doing an Arsenal tonight. 2-0 down at half time and stupid sending off.
Tottenham have Burnley (H) Norwich (A) to play. Arsenal with the tougher fixtures Newcastle (A) and Everton (H)
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Kane doesn't score enough goals anymore.
He's always had a pretty impressive habit at putting this one to bed soon after anyone says it.
Spurs 3rd in league since Conte took over apparently.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/11/antonio-conte-ready-show-arsenal-how-far-spurs-have-come-since-september-north-london-derby (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/11/antonio-conte-ready-show-arsenal-how-far-spurs-have-come-since-september-north-london-derby)
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Arsenal doing an Arsenal tonight. 2-0 down at half time and stupid sending off.
Tottenham have Burnley (H) Norwich (A) to play. Arsenal with the tougher fixtures Newcastle (A) and Everton (H)
Arsenal should be winning both of those comfortably, making the Spurs' games irrelevant. If they don't get CL from here, they don't deserve it.
As for Spurs, Conte's done a good job with them. They'll be good next season, with a decent signing or two. They won't get near the Pool/City duopoly, obviously, but if they get Europa and take it seriously, they're good enough to challenge seriously for that.
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I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Kane doesn't score enough goals anymore.
He's always had a pretty impressive habit at putting this one to bed soon after anyone says it.
Think Kane has lost a yard of pace. Seems to be playing deeper role in recent years. His goals are not as prolific as other seasons in PL but has some amount of assists in last 2 years.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 12, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
Ronaldo gets player of the month after scoring a hattrick against a relegated club.
Did he not also score against Arsenal and Chelsea? Just after losing a child as well. Would seem deserved enough to me.
Guardiola letting loose this last week or so in a few press conferences!!
He has a point though with the nonsense around "Managing big personalities". A complete load of horseshit.
His rant about Liverpool was OTT but he has to realise that neutrals are going to find it difficult to support a team that is propped up by a regime like the Emirates!
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Kane doesn't score enough goals anymore.
He's always had a pretty impressive habit at putting this one to bed soon after anyone says it.
Think Kane has lost a yard of pace. Seems to be playing deeper role in recent years. His goals are not as prolific as other seasons in PL but has some amount of assists in last 2 years.
Is he voluntarily playing that role or is that the system he's playing in? Southgate played him in that role but Spurs seem to be doing that now too. Is it Conte or him?
Quote from: screenexile on May 13, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
Guardiola letting loose this last week or so in a few press conferences!!
He has a point though with the nonsense around "Managing big personalities". A complete load of horseshit.
His rant about Liverpool was OTT but he has to realise that neutrals are going to find it difficult to support a team that is propped up by a regime like the Emirates!
So teams like Chelsea in the past Newcastle PSG and so on? Supporters are very fickle and will easily turn a blind eye to these types that are able to launder their money
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Quote from: screenexile on May 13, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
Guardiola letting loose this last week or so in a few press conferences!!
He has a point though with the nonsense around "Managing big personalities". A complete load of horseshit.
His rant about Liverpool was OTT but he has to realise that neutrals are going to find it difficult to support a team that is propped up by a regime like the Emirates!
So teams like Chelsea in the past Newcastle PSG and so on? Supporters are very fickle and will easily turn a blind eye to these types that are able to launder their money
Why bring Standard Chartered into this?
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Quote from: screenexile on May 13, 2022, 02:55:54 PM
Guardiola letting loose this last week or so in a few press conferences!!
He has a point though with the nonsense around "Managing big personalities". A complete load of horseshit.
His rant about Liverpool was OTT but he has to realise that neutrals are going to find it difficult to support a team that is propped up by a regime like the Emirates!
So teams like Chelsea in the past Newcastle PSG and so on? Supporters are very fickle and will easily turn a blind eye to these types that are able to launder their money
He's probably right in that neutrals are keen to slag off these teams as opposed to Man U or Liverpool because they do things "the right way".
Whatever that means...
Generally supporters of a club who are then taken over by some rich benefactor couldn't give two shiney shites who they are as long as the team plays well!
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Kane doesn't score enough goals anymore.
He's always had a pretty impressive habit at putting this one to bed soon after anyone says it.
Nah, still doesn't score enough. Used to be near a goal a game but past couple of years he has been way down on that.
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Quote from: blewuporstuffed on May 10, 2022, 11:52:14 AM
I am looking forward to seeing him in the PL, but he has the potential to push city on another level again. Not getting Kane last summer could be a blessing in diguise for them.
So let's look at this. Someone who can slot seamlessly between the no.8, no.9 and no.10 roles just as Guardiola would like, him having a track record for scoring and creating premier league goals at ratios only Mo Salah of current footballers can equate to, and is a grounded, committed footballer at peak age for a centre forward. Not getting this player is a blessing in disguise? So it makes room for a youngster who is about to become stinking rich, and has no PL experience?
The mind actually boggles at how underrated Kane is.
Kane doesn't score enough goals anymore.
He's always had a pretty impressive habit at putting this one to bed soon after anyone says it.
Nah, still doesn't score enough. Used to be near a goal a game but past couple of years he has been way down on that.
He won the golden boot last season?
In 4th place this year too. Not doing too bad but I do think he is playing deeper.
Very quiet on FA cup day!
This is the second trophy out of 4 that Liverpool have a chance of winning
Chelsea have been generally inconsistent all season, think they'll try and park the bus today, frustrate Liverpool and counter
Wouldn't be surprised with a 0-0 draw and penalties, thankfully I'm out and won't see it ;D
Chelsea bate in last 2 finals law of averages says they wont lose a third. 6 0 Chelsea.
Hoping Kante/Kovacic not fully fit to counteract the loss of Fab. Chelsea have been poor recently but could have been savin themselves for this...
Kante is on the bench for Chelsea. Kovacic starts with Jorginho in the middle. I am glad Kante doesn't start as that helps Liverpool.
Salah off injured.. that's the quadruple fecked then lads?
Quote from: Mourne Red on May 14, 2022, 05:24:37 PM
Salah off injured.. that's the quadruple fecked then lads?
Will probably be a blessing in disguise for them if he misses the Champions league final. . Has been selfish in games this season.
Lukaku a great forward for missing chances and giving the thumbs up afterwards.
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Salah off injured.. that's the quadruple fecked then lads?
Will probably be a blessing in disguise for them if he misses the Champions league final. . Has been selfish in games this season.
Lukaku a great forward for missing chances and giving the thumbs up afterwards.
Losing the single most productive forward in the history of a club is not really how a team wants to approach a final.
Van Djik off injured there?
Liverpool look out on their feet. Van Dijk and Salah injuries, as well as Fabinho before, have robbed them of freshening things up majorly
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 14, 2022, 01:29:32 PM
Very quiet on FA cup day!
This is the second trophy out of 4 that Liverpool have a chance of winning
Chelsea have been generally inconsistent all season, think they'll try and park the bus today, frustrate Liverpool and counter
Wouldn't be surprised with a 0-0 draw and penalties, thankfully I'm out and won't see it ;D
Hmmmmmmmm! 9/1 the draw!! Free dinner!
Quote from: J70 on May 14, 2022, 07:04:57 PM
Liverpool look out on their feet. Van Dijk and Salah injuries, as well as Fabinho before, have robbed them of freshening things up majorly
Whatever happens here with the peons happens but today could have serious consequences for the Champions League Final.
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Quote from: J70 on May 14, 2022, 07:04:57 PM
Liverpool look out on their feet. Van Dijk and Salah injuries, as well as Fabinho before, have robbed them of freshening things up majorly
Whatever happens here happens but today could have serious consequences for the Champions League Final.
And the PL
Klopp a good manager however to win both domestic cup competitions on sudden death shootouts also proves he's a lucky manager. Quadruple is still on!
Do you two have money on the quadruple or what? I am sorry but I don't think its going to happen.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 14, 2022, 07:50:27 PM
Do you two have money on the quadruple or what? I am sorry but I don't think its going to happen.
I don't. Plenty of Liverpool supporters i know have money on and like you are using reverse psychology now.
Unless Man.City players are reading this forum, reverse psychology isn't going to cut it.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 14, 2022, 08:15:21 PM
Unless Man.City players are reading this forum, reverse psychology isn't going to cut it.
They are all over it....
West Ham actually have a great chance of finishing the season with European football, they'll be 'hammer' and tongs into this game tomorrow
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 14, 2022, 02:30:12 PM
Chelsea bate in last 2 finals law of averages says they wont lose a third. 6 0 Chelsea.
Hoping Kante/Kovacic not fully fit to counteract the loss of Fab. Chelsea have been poor recently but could have been savin themselves for this...
Toul yis. Jibbajabba knows ball 😎
Great result to be fair if both team had won one each you couldnt have complained. But ill take it 😃
Big concern now for Virg and Salah for Champs League final.....
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 14, 2022, 09:00:40 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 14, 2022, 02:30:12 PM
Chelsea bate in last 2 finals law of averages says they wont lose a third. 6 0 Chelsea.
Hoping Kante/Kovacic not fully fit to counteract the loss of Fab. Chelsea have been poor recently but could have been savin themselves for this...
Toul yis. Jibbajabba knows ball 😎
Great result to be fair if both team had won one each you couldnt have complained. But ill take it 😃
Big concern now for Virg and Salah for Champs League final.....
Stick to talking shit ;D
What's your logic for CL final and tomorrow's game? ;)
Wham would have a better chance than W Ham 😉😃
Not confident but always thought this would be their toughest match. Wouldnt be confident for pool against soton anyway after today tbh
Was confidentish against madrid but would need to see how these injuries turn out. How chelsea or city didnt bate them beggars belief. They have few ballers yet and are prob coasting it these past couple weeks whereas pool are fallin like flies. 6 0 madrid 😉
Im away to watch eurovision ffs 😎
Salah flops in another final. Probably better missing him for tye CL final as he doesn't score in finals.
Remind me who scored against Spurs in 2019 and thatll do me for tonight chap. Its not always this easy
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 14, 2022, 10:31:27 PM
Remind me who scored against Spurs in 2019 and thatll do me for tonight chap. Its not always this easy
Not talking about a penalty kid. No goals in any final for Liverpool or Egypt.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 14, 2022, 10:21:03 PM
Salah flops in another final. Probably better missing him for tye CL final as he doesn't score in finals.
Cry more
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 14, 2022, 10:21:03 PM
Salah flops in another final. Probably better missing him for tye CL final as he doesn't score in finals.
Dry your eyes mate.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 14, 2022, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 14, 2022, 10:31:27 PM
Remind me who scored against Spurs in 2019 and thatll do me for tonight chap. Its not always this easy
Not talking about a penalty kid. No goals in any final for Liverpool or Egypt.
Ah ok. Got ye
That Mahrez penalty miss could prove as costly as Jorginho penalty miss for Italy?
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 14, 2022, 08:15:21 PM
Unless Man.City players are reading this forum, reverse psychology isn't going to cut it.
Grealish did play alot of Gaelic growing up so you never know....
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 14, 2022, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 14, 2022, 10:31:27 PM
Remind me who scored against Spurs in 2019 and thatll do me for tonight chap. Its not always this easy
Not talking about a penalty kid. No goals in any final for Liverpool or Egypt.
Apart from when he did score one.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 14, 2022, 10:51:05 PM
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 14, 2022, 10:31:27 PM
Remind me who scored against Spurs in 2019 and thatll do me for tonight chap. Its not always this easy
Not talking about a penalty kid. No goals in any final for Liverpool or Egypt.
So penalties don't count anymore. Ah ok then.
Simple enough point to comprehend in that Salah hasn't scored a goal from open play in a final ever. This kind of star tends to be brought up regarding any big players when they don't do it on big days.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 06:20:52 PM
Simple enough point to comprehend in that Salah hasn't scored a goal from open play in a final ever. This kind of star tends to be brought up regarding any big players when they don't do it on big days.
Aye terrible player. Has been a huge flop for Liverpool.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 06:20:52 PM
Simple enough point to comprehend in that Salah hasn't scored a goal from open play in a final ever. This kind of star tends to be brought up regarding any big players when they don't do it on big days.
Aye terrible player. Has been a huge flop for Liverpool.
One season wonder.
Course he isn't, but there was a lot of over-exaggerated hype around him until the Christmas period, best player I the world stuff etc. Mad that he got Player of the Year considering he has had a poor second half of the season.
Madrids b team doing well ...
It's a strange one for Liverpool, that result sets them up for a possible 92 points. City have to win against Villa and they'll set up to disrupt city's game..
Liverpool have to chase the league first before thinking about Madrid, players going full on before that final will stretch that squad..
There are some players that can't be risked. Pure headache stuff..
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2022, 07:01:52 PM
Madrids b team doing well ...
It's a strange one for Liverpool, that result sets them up for a possible 92 points. City have to win against Villa and they'll set up to disrupt city's game..
Liverpool have to chase the league first before thinking about Madrid, players going full on before that final will stretch that squad..
There are some players that can't be risked. Pure headache stuff..
Villa don't set up to disrupt anyones game. That's their biggest problem. Extremely watery through the centre. City will be let play their own game.
Quote from: laoislad on May 15, 2022, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 06:20:52 PM
Simple enough point to comprehend in that Salah hasn't scored a goal from open play in a final ever. This kind of star tends to be brought up regarding any big players when they don't do it on big days.
Aye terrible player. Has been a huge flop for Liverpool.
One season wonder.
No worse than Klopp the flop... Pep's won 4/6 Premier Leagues and apparently he's the fraud 🤷♂️
Quote from: screenexile on May 15, 2022, 07:12:26 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 15, 2022, 06:35:07 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 15, 2022, 06:32:39 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 15, 2022, 06:20:52 PM
Simple enough point to comprehend in that Salah hasn't scored a goal from open play in a final ever. This kind of star tends to be brought up regarding any big players when they don't do it on big days.
Aye terrible player. Has been a huge flop for Liverpool.
One season wonder.
No worse than Klopp the flop... Pep's won 4/6 Premier Leagues and apparently he's the fraud 🤷♂️
With the money he has spent in that time he should be winning 6/6. Anything less is a failure yes. No European trophies in that time either mind you.
Quote from: shark on May 15, 2022, 07:09:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2022, 07:01:52 PM
Madrids b team doing well ...
It's a strange one for Liverpool, that result sets them up for a possible 92 points. City have to win against Villa and they'll set up to disrupt city's game..
Liverpool have to chase the league first before thinking about Madrid, players going full on before that final will stretch that squad..
There are some players that can't be risked. Pure headache stuff..
Villa don't set up to disrupt anyones game. That's their biggest problem. Extremely watery through the centre. City will be let play their own game.
Agreed. Villa seem to be able to put together a good 45 mins in the games against the top 6 but never a full performance. I'd be surprised if this wasnt a comfortable win at home for City.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2022, 01:45:38 PM
Quote from: shark on May 15, 2022, 07:09:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2022, 07:01:52 PM
Madrids b team doing well ...
It's a strange one for Liverpool, that result sets them up for a possible 92 points. City have to win against Villa and they'll set up to disrupt city's game..
Liverpool have to chase the league first before thinking about Madrid, players going full on before that final will stretch that squad..
There are some players that can't be risked. Pure headache stuff..
Villa don't set up to disrupt anyones game. That's their biggest problem. Extremely watery through the centre. City will be let play their own game.
Agreed. Villa seem to be able to put together a good 45 mins in the games against the top 6 but never a full performance. I'd be surprised if this wasnt a comfortable win at home for City.
So you think Steve will continue with their style of play and not adopt it to help his previous team and finish season off with a draw?
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2022, 01:45:38 PM
Quote from: shark on May 15, 2022, 07:09:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2022, 07:01:52 PM
Madrids b team doing well …
It’s a strange one for Liverpool, that result sets them up for a possible 92 points. City have to win against Villa and they’ll set up to disrupt city’s game..
Liverpool have to chase the league first before thinking about Madrid, players going full on before that final will stretch that squad..
There are some players that can’t be risked. Pure headache stuff..
Villa don’t set up to disrupt anyones game. That’s their biggest problem. Extremely watery through the centre. City will be let play their own game.
Agreed. Villa seem to be able to put together a good 45 mins in the games against the top 6 but never a full performance. I'd be surprised if this wasnt a comfortable win at home for City.
Didn't they put in a 90 minute performance against a full strength Liverpool recently. Could easily have drawn didn't take some good goalscoring opportunities. Next Sunday they'll be up against a Manchester City side with a makeshift defence.
Even with a win tomorrow night against Southampton it's still City's to lose. They will beat Villa pulling up, as much as I'd love to think otherwise. I nearly wish they had won yesterday as we could have played shadow teams in the last 2 games with a view to prepping for the CL final
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 16, 2022, 02:47:51 PM
Quote from: lurganblue on May 16, 2022, 01:45:38 PM
Quote from: shark on May 15, 2022, 07:09:19 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 15, 2022, 07:01:52 PM
Madrids b team doing well ...
It's a strange one for Liverpool, that result sets them up for a possible 92 points. City have to win against Villa and they'll set up to disrupt city's game..
Liverpool have to chase the league first before thinking about Madrid, players going full on before that final will stretch that squad..
There are some players that can't be risked. Pure headache stuff..
Villa don't set up to disrupt anyones game. That's their biggest problem. Extremely watery through the centre. City will be let play their own game.
Agreed. Villa seem to be able to put together a good 45 mins in the games against the top 6 but never a full performance. I'd be surprised if this wasnt a comfortable win at home for City.
Didn't they put in a 90 minute performance against a full strength Liverpool recently. Could easily have drawn didn't take some good goalscoring opportunities. Next Sunday they'll be up against a Manchester City side with a makeshift defence.
The performance against Liverpool was decent, but did still lose. The first half performance against Spurs a few weeks ago was some of the best football Villa have played all season. Lost 4-0.
Will have chances against City, and will probably score. But the personnel does not exist in the squad to play a backs against the wall style. Villa have kept 11 clean sheets this season, but only 1 in 15 games agains the top 8 - which was mostly thanks to Bruno Fernandes.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 13, 2022, 03:28:25 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 12, 2022, 08:36:58 PM
Arsenal doing an Arsenal tonight. 2-0 down at half time and stupid sending off.
Tottenham have Burnley (H) Norwich (A) to play. Arsenal with the tougher fixtures Newcastle (A) and Everton (H)
Arsenal should be winning both of those comfortably, making the Spurs' games irrelevant.
Arsenal beaten by Newcastle tonight and scored the opening goal for them. Tottenham will finish 4th now and can thankfully it was Arsenal they were chasing.
Newcastle very impressive tonight.
Would be like Spurs to lose to Norwich now.
The globalised Premiership. A problem for the BIG
Everton XI: Pickford, Coleman, Keane, Holgate, Mykolenko, Iwobi, Doucoure, Gomes, Gordon, Calvert-Lewin, Richarlison
Subs: Begovic, Kenny, Godfrey, Allan, Davies, Van de Beek, Alli, Gray Welch
Crystal Palace XI: Butland, Clyne, Anderson, Guehi, Mitchell, Hughes, Schlupp, Ayew, Eze, Mateta, Zaha
Subs: Guaita, Ward, Kelly, Kouyaté, Milivojevic, Édouard, Gallagher, Rak-Sakyi, Benteke
:o
Everton are playing decent with the ball, but very poor defensively. Wouldn't rule out a comeback - if they get the next goal.
Big goal for Burnley - absolutely brainless from Buenida, hopefully Stevie switches him for Ings for the weekend.
Jaysis, Delli Ali on for Everton. Albeit Gomes was poor.
Will Leeds be capable of beating Brentford away on Sunday? If not Burnley, Everton will stay up regardless of their results.
Stevie Gerrard resting Coutinho and Ings tonight so they can be fresh and ready to win the league title for their former club Liverpool on Sunday.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 19, 2022, 08:58:21 PM
Will Leeds be capable of beating Brentford away on Sunday? If not Burnley, Everton will stay up regardless of their results.
Stevie Gerrard resting Coutinho and Ings tonight so they can be fresh and ready to lose the league title for their former club Liverpool on Sunday.
fixed that for you
I think Brentford are an ideal opponent for Leeds. Could go either way, but Leeds have a decent chance.
Great finish by Keane for Everton. Game rightly on
Villa just equalised.
Buendia makes amends for Villa, albeit the overrated Pope should have saved it.
Gordon off for Everton 🧐
Jammy enough equalizer by Richarlison, but deserved by Everton. 2-2. Surprised if someone doesn't go and win it.
Disgraceful scenes at goodison. Scruffs runnin onto the pitch.
Sorry that was tom davies. Carry on 😉😃
Some 2nd half tbf
DCL! I had a feeling they could do it
Gray and Keys were near cryin at ht. Theyll be a bit more chirper now 😃
Burnley very unlucky not to get a pen for a Digne handball. I didn't have a great view of it, but commentators said it was very similar to the pen Spurs got against Burnley at the weekend.
Think Barnes couldve been off for an elbow before he scored the pen. Some swings and roundabouts!!
"Man who wears dresses saves Everton from relegation" 😃
Lamps subs did very well for them. Not sure what Vieria was thinking bringing on Benteke - maybe making sure Everton have nothing to play for v Arsenal at the weekend 😉
He was hopin for a Benteke winner like the rest of us 😉 could ye imagine him doin that big dopey celebration in front of their fans. The fume!!!
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 19, 2022, 09:51:44 PM
He was hopin for a Benteke winner like the rest of us 😉 could ye imagine him doin that big dopey celebration in front of their fans. The fume!!!
Possibly one of Liverpools worse signings during that wonderful period
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
For those that think sport is just about who wins the trophies on offer can watch back on the reaction of the Everton players,management and supporters to the full time whistle this evening.
Was talking to an Everton man tonight after it and he was shaking. You don't get that feeling at the other end of the table. What Everton fans experienced there was real visceral stuff by real diehards.
Vieira could be in a bit of bother for lashing out at an Everton fan who was winding him up during the pitch invasion.
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Name one premier club who doesn't have a dreadful owner?
But yes, Usmanov (owner by proxy) has a history every bit as bad as Romans.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Did they not spend an absolute fortune in the last few years? Or why is he a bad owner?
How he got his money. Oligarch territory.
Everton have spent a clean fortune and only for Covid would probably have been done for breaching FFP and might have had points deducted.
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 19, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
Vieira could be in a bit of bother for lashing out at an Everton fan who was winding him up during the pitch invasion.
Fan acting the ballix and got a boot in the hole. deserved it.
Quote from: lurganblue on May 20, 2022, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: Capt Pat on May 19, 2022, 11:03:22 PM
Vieira could be in a bit of bother for lashing out at an Everton fan who was winding him up during the pitch invasion.
Fan acting the ballix and got a boot in the hole. deserved it.
Agreed the only bad thing that happened was that he wasn't kicked twice as hard.
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Did they not spend an absolute fortune in the last few years? Or why is he a bad owner?
Irish Times
The long-term problem at Everton is that no English club has to deal with a wider gap between expectation and reality. Everton fans know that with nine league titles they are still England's fourth-most-successful club, still ahead of the nouveau riche petro-superpowers, Manchester City and Chelsea. But many others in the game seem crassly unaware of this exceptional history, and sadly for Everton one of the people least heedful of it also happens to own the club.
The worst thing that ever happened to Everton was to be taken over in 2016 by a rich investor with the promise that they could spend their way back to the top. Majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri has certainly stumped up plenty of money. He has injected an estimated £450 million since 2016, meaning Everton have benefited from more owner financing than any other English club in that period,
More than half a billion pounds has been spent on new signings, but surveying their transfer business it is astonishing to see how little impact this spending has had. How have they failed to make it stick? One reason is that even with Moshiri's largesse, Everton did not yet have the standing to compete for the best players with the established powers. In their eagerness to make up ground they ended up overpaying for second-raters. Davy Klaasen, Alex Iwobi, Moise Keane, Jean-Phillippe Gbamin, Theo Walcott and Cenk Tosun all arrived for fees of around £20 million, and all failed hopelessly.The failure to attract genuinely top-tier talent was compounded by the inability to settle on a long-term direction in terms of club philosophy and playing style. Everton keep lurching in different directions. Moshiri's basic approach is to throw money at established names, but he never seems to have settled on an overarching vision of what kind of club he wants Everton to be.
Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible?
Steve Walsh was poached from Leicester to become the new director of football in 2016, after he was widely hailed as a genius for signing N'Golo Kante and Riyad Mahrez. Legend has it that Walsh wanted to sign Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and Erling Haaland for a combined £25 million, but instead he somehow ended up spending nearly 10 times that amount on the likes of Yannick Bolasie, Morgan Schneiderlin, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Michael Keane, and so on.
After two years Walsh made way for the Dutchman Marcel Brands, whose strategy of signing big-club cast-offs like Yerry Mina, Andre Gomes, Digne, Allan and James Rodriguez soon left Everton with a bunch of ... big-club cast-offs, all of whom were wrestling - with varying degrees of success - to overcome the personal disappointment of feeling they had come down in the world.
That feeling also seemed to afflict some of the managers Moshiri appointed, some of whom seemed to think themselves too good for the job. Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce have feuded with Everton since leaving, Carlo Ancelotti jumped ship at the first opportunity. Again, Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible? Questions such as whether the coach understands and can connect with Everton's culture and self-image are apparently never considered.
Everton owner is as good as you get. He has put his money where his mouth is.
Seeing as Everton are out of the relegation battle, who would most neutrals prefer to go down between Leeds and Burnley. I have no love for Leeds, but it would be some sort of justice if Burnley went down after them sacking Sean Dyche.
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 05:37:46 PM
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 20, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on May 20, 2022, 06:52:32 AM
Quote from: ONeill on May 19, 2022, 10:20:48 PM
That was brilliant by Everton. Great club with a great support.
And a dreadful owner
Did they not spend an absolute fortune in the last few years? Or why is he a bad owner?
Irish Times
The long-term problem at Everton is that no English club has to deal with a wider gap between expectation and reality. Everton fans know that with nine league titles they are still England's fourth-most-successful club, still ahead of the nouveau riche petro-superpowers, Manchester City and Chelsea. But many others in the game seem crassly unaware of this exceptional history, and sadly for Everton one of the people least heedful of it also happens to own the club.
The worst thing that ever happened to Everton was to be taken over in 2016 by a rich investor with the promise that they could spend their way back to the top. Majority shareholder Farhad Moshiri has certainly stumped up plenty of money. He has injected an estimated £450 million since 2016, meaning Everton have benefited from more owner financing than any other English club in that period,
More than half a billion pounds has been spent on new signings, but surveying their transfer business it is astonishing to see how little impact this spending has had. How have they failed to make it stick? One reason is that even with Moshiri's largesse, Everton did not yet have the standing to compete for the best players with the established powers. In their eagerness to make up ground they ended up overpaying for second-raters. Davy Klaasen, Alex Iwobi, Moise Keane, Jean-Phillippe Gbamin, Theo Walcott and Cenk Tosun all arrived for fees of around £20 million, and all failed hopelessly.The failure to attract genuinely top-tier talent was compounded by the inability to settle on a long-term direction in terms of club philosophy and playing style. Everton keep lurching in different directions. Moshiri's basic approach is to throw money at established names, but he never seems to have settled on an overarching vision of what kind of club he wants Everton to be.
Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible?
Steve Walsh was poached from Leicester to become the new director of football in 2016, after he was widely hailed as a genius for signing N'Golo Kante and Riyad Mahrez. Legend has it that Walsh wanted to sign Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and Erling Haaland for a combined £25 million, but instead he somehow ended up spending nearly 10 times that amount on the likes of Yannick Bolasie, Morgan Schneiderlin, Gylfi Sigurdsson, Michael Keane, and so on.
After two years Walsh made way for the Dutchman Marcel Brands, whose strategy of signing big-club cast-offs like Yerry Mina, Andre Gomes, Digne, Allan and James Rodriguez soon left Everton with a bunch of ... big-club cast-offs, all of whom were wrestling - with varying degrees of success - to overcome the personal disappointment of feeling they had come down in the world.
That feeling also seemed to afflict some of the managers Moshiri appointed, some of whom seemed to think themselves too good for the job. Ronald Koeman and Sam Allardyce have feuded with Everton since leaving, Carlo Ancelotti jumped ship at the first opportunity. Again, Moshiri's hires seem guided by the crudest heuristics: do they have name recognition? Have they done okay in their most recent job? Do they seem plausible? Questions such as whether the coach understands and can connect with Everton's culture and self-image are apparently never considered.
Article hits the nail square on the head.
Everton will never return to being a contender whilst their transfer strategy consists of scouting then overpaying for players being cast off from the top 5-6 clubs.
It's all too easy to imagine their shortlist for the summer. Origi. Ake. Winks and N'Dombele. Chambers and Pepe. Lingard, Jones and Mata. The return of Barkley.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2022, 09:53:57 PM
Seeing as Everton are out of the relegation battle, who would most neutrals prefer to go down between Leeds and Burnley. I have no love for Leeds, but it would be some sort of justice if Burnley went down after them sacking Sean Dyche.
Agreed.
Jaysis, Burnley made a good decision. 11 points out of 21 since they fired Dyche. If they'd gone like that the whole season, they'd be looking at 52 points plus.
He'd been good with them, but it wasn't working any more.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 20, 2022, 09:53:57 PM
Seeing as Everton are out of the relegation battle, who would most neutrals prefer to go down between Leeds and Burnley. I have no love for Leeds, but it would be some sort of justice if Burnley went down after them sacking Sean Dyche.
Everton aren't safe from relegation yet, they've some seriously dodgy financial irregularities in their closet...
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/uncategorized/burnley-leeds-write-premier-league-concerns-everton-breaching-financial-rules-261445
Has it ever happened in the English top flight that a club got relegated because of a points deduction due to financial irregularities?
Chelsea should be Vauxhall Conference (or whatever they call it now) by this point if they were going to do that kind of thing.
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2022, 11:13:59 PM
Has it ever happened in the English top flight that a club got relegated because of a points deduction due to financial irregularities?
Chelsea should be Vauxhall Conference (or whatever they call it now) by this point if they were going to do that kind of thing.
Chelsea may have been a main reason the FFP rules were brought in, but it seems they have been compliant since they did come in.
City are the ones who break the rules. But they get away with it by disguising the money that comes in as sponsorship. UEFFA kicked them out of the champions league for cheating. But seemingly couldn't prove it in court so all was forgiven and forgotten and the ban rescinded.
Quote from: Hound on May 21, 2022, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2022, 11:13:59 PM
Has it ever happened in the English top flight that a club got relegated because of a points deduction due to financial irregularities?
Chelsea should be Vauxhall Conference (or whatever they call it now) by this point if they were going to do that kind of thing.
Chelsea may have been a main reason the FFP rules were brought in, but it seems they have been compliant since they did come in.
City are the ones who break the rules. But they get away with it by disguising the money that comes in as sponsorship. UEFFA kicked them out of the champions league for cheating. But seemingly couldn't prove it in court so all was forgiven and forgotten and the ban rescinded.
I was at City v Sporting Lisbon in Champions League, they were vociferously booing the Champions league anthem, I hadn't a clue what was going on but apparently happens at every CL game because they tried to boot them out.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 21, 2022, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 21, 2022, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2022, 11:13:59 PM
Has it ever happened in the English top flight that a club got relegated because of a points deduction due to financial irregularities?
Chelsea should be Vauxhall Conference (or whatever they call it now) by this point if they were going to do that kind of thing.
Chelsea may have been a main reason the FFP rules were brought in, but it seems they have been compliant since they did come in.
City are the ones who break the rules. But they get away with it by disguising the money that comes in as sponsorship. UEFFA kicked them out of the champions league for cheating. But seemingly couldn't prove it in court so all was forgiven and forgotten and the ban rescinded.
I was at City v Sporting Lisbon in Champions League, they were vociferously booing the Champions league anthem, I hadn't a clue what was going on but apparently happens at every CL game because they tried to boot them out.
They boo an 'anthem' for being challenged about financial 'irregularities', no issues. LFC fans boo GSTQ because of historic underfunding in the city by successive Governments, a government backed cover up over Hillsborough and a general dislike by members of the 'Establishment' of the city and they are hauled over the coals and attacked by the PM.....
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 21, 2022, 09:32:20 AM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 21, 2022, 08:45:27 AM
Quote from: Hound on May 21, 2022, 08:19:40 AM
Quote from: Jell 0 Biafra on May 20, 2022, 11:13:59 PM
Has it ever happened in the English top flight that a club got relegated because of a points deduction due to financial irregularities?
Chelsea should be Vauxhall Conference (or whatever they call it now) by this point if they were going to do that kind of thing.
Chelsea may have been a main reason the FFP rules were brought in, but it seems they have been compliant since they did come in.
City are the ones who break the rules. But they get away with it by disguising the money that comes in as sponsorship. UEFFA kicked them out of the champions league for cheating. But seemingly couldn't prove it in court so all was forgiven and forgotten and the ban rescinded.
I was at City v Sporting Lisbon in Champions League, they were vociferously booing the Champions league anthem, I hadn't a clue what was going on but apparently happens at every CL game because they tried to boot them out.
They boo an 'anthem' for being challenged about financial 'irregularities', no issues. LFC fans boo GSTQ because of historic underfunding in the city by successive Governments, a government backed cover up over Hillsborough and a general dislike by members of the 'Establishment' of the city and they are hauled over the coals and attacked by the PM.....
Churchill's gunboats in the Mersey, Thatcher's "managed decline" of the city... is it any wonder they are The People's Republic of Liverpool.
I wonder will they stay in work next Thursday and Friday on protest.....
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 09:38:19 AM
I wonder will they stay in work next Thursday and Friday on protest.....
That's one of the dumbest arguments always thrown up against anyone anti monarchy. Just because you get the day off work due to a public holiday doesn't mean you are actively celebrating the jubilee.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 09:38:19 AM
I wonder will they stay in work next Thursday and Friday on protest.....
Thursday is the annual Spring Bank Holiday and no connection to the Jubilee.
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 09:38:19 AM
I wonder will they stay in work next Thursday and Friday on protest.....
That's one of the dumbest arguments always thrown up against anyone anti monarchy. Just because you get the day off work due to a public holiday doesn't mean you are actively celebrating the jubilee.
Similar to the if you think youre so Irish why do you accept Sterling/not move down South lines
MR2 doing MR2 things
Three bites in row!! That's the best yet ;D
Arsenal lost their last 2 games and need Norwich to beat Tottenham. Unbelievable , Jeff.
I stopped following soccer after all the abuse McClean got from fans, some of the comments I've read about him from English people were troubling. I was a Chelsea fan up until a few years ago and I am embarrassed to say I even went to some of their games. You used to see "No Surrender" scarves in stalls outside the stadium, a horrible club as seen by how they were welcomed to Windsor Park last year by the loyalists. When I was a boy I was attracted to their 2001 team and had no idea of the club's culture. I wouldn't go near English soccer again no matter what club it was.
Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 21, 2022, 03:18:12 PM
I stopped following soccer after all the abuse McClean got from fans, some of the comments I've read about him from English people were troubling. I was a Chelsea fan up until a few years ago and I am embarrassed to say I even went to some of their games. You used to see "No Surrender" scarves in stalls outside the stadium, a horrible club as seen by how they were welcomed to Windsor Park last year by the loyalists. When I was a boy I was attracted to their 2001 team and had no idea of the club's culture. I wouldn't go near English soccer again no matter what club it was.
In fairness McClean is his own worst enemy. He courts a lot of stuff on Social media.
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Quote from: Loughshore2022 on May 21, 2022, 03:18:12 PM
I stopped following soccer after all the abuse McClean got from fans, some of the comments I've read about him from English people were troubling. I was a Chelsea fan up until a few years ago and I am embarrassed to say I even went to some of their games. You used to see "No Surrender" scarves in stalls outside the stadium, a horrible club as seen by how they were welcomed to Windsor Park last year by the loyalists. When I was a boy I was attracted to their 2001 team and had no idea of the club's culture. I wouldn't go near English soccer again no matter what club it was.
In fairness McClean is his own worst enemy. He courts a lot of stuff on Social media.
I don't like him as I don't like anyone with a sleeve tattoo. However not wanting to help fund ex soldiers who attacked civilians in your city shouldn't be a reason for abuse. They say the poppy represents WW2 but where do they think the money raised goes? Most WW2 soldiers are dead. I cut that nonsense out of my life, it wasn't hard as soccer is a painful watch anyway.
If there is any God, Liverpool win the English league tomorrow.
I knew there was a good reason I'm an atheist.
God retired years ago. He'll have no impact on proceedings
As much as Sky try to hype up the title race I expect that Man City will win comfortably tomorrow. Spurs only need a draw against the worst team in the League to get fourth and Burnley only need to better Leeds result which I expect they will do to send Leeds down.
The only change I foresee is that Palace could get a result against United meaning that a West Han win would send United into the ECL instead of EL.
Still a better finish than eg French Spanish German which all finished weeks ago tbf
Bookies reckon there is a just under 20% chance of a Liverpool title win. I'll take it.
I said 10 earlier in week ill deffo take 20!
Momentums building 😉
City have been forced to play a 37 year old Midfielder who's prone to red cards in defence this week, of course there's a chance.
But Villa have Mings 😉😃
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 21, 2022, 11:10:13 PM
But Villa have Mings 😉😃
This Mings?
https://youtube.com/shorts/S3hrUmIW7xc?feature=share
Some craic on the thread tomorrow should it have a few twists
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 11:41:48 PM
Some craic on the thread tomorrow should it have a few twists
Quite literally City's to lose now :P
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Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on May 21, 2022, 11:10:13 PM
But Villa have Mings 😉😃
This Mings?
https://youtube.com/shorts/S3hrUmIW7xc?feature=share
Great block tbf Captain. Wish he'd kept it for Sun 😊
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 11:41:48 PM
Some craic on the thread tomorrow should it have a few twists
Pressure is on City, but they've shown they're easily capable of handling it.
I expect by 30 minutes in it will be sorted.
4-0 for City.
2-0 for Liverpool with Klopp ringing the changes in the second half once it's clear its done.
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 21, 2022, 09:38:19 AM
I wonder will they stay in work next Thursday and Friday on protest.....
Those scousers don't work any other thursday or friday so why would they next week ;)
Very slim chance of villa getting anything at all. Not going to happen.
QPR were a rollover in 2012 but held Manchester City at bay for large periods.
Fascinating last day. But things will likely stay as they are: City 1st, Tottenham Hotspur 4th, Leeds go down.
I do wonder can Leeds escape. They have to have some fight in them surely.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 22, 2022, 08:41:07 AM
I do wonder can Leeds escape. They have to have some fight in them surely.
They can only win and hope for the best. They have a terrible GD so the smart money has to still be on Burnley. I dont think either Newcastle or Brentford will roll over.
The only way to stop Man City may be food poisoning
https://youtu.be/oCe69LhjULw
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I do wonder can Leeds escape. They have to have some fight in them surely.
They can only win and hope for the best. They have a terrible GD so the smart money has to still be on Burnley. I dont think either Newcastle or Brentford will roll over.
The difference in finishing 10th or 14th is around £12.5million. PL sums are off the scale, so with player bonuses tied into that and the impact it could have on summer transfer plans I think every club will fight to finish as high as possible.
Man City failure to sign a no 9 will cost along with playing Fernandinho centre half. Looking like Liverpool title .
Some here thought the season had no twists left? Half time and Liverpools league title to lose!
Looks like Leeds will stay up here.
Stevie G keeping his end of the bargain up
Quote from: Gael85 on May 22, 2022, 04:53:40 PM
Man City failure to a no 9 will cost along with playing Fernandinho centre half. Looking like Liverpool title .
Just goals number 97, 98, and 99 of the league season for city.
"Failure".
Ah well!
After all that drama Liverpool and Manchester City win home games they where expected to win.
I said after the Manchester City 2 Liverpool draw in April that it was Liverpools title to lose as Manchester City was always going to slip up in at least one of their game. Liverpool just needed to win their remaining games to win this league title and drew with Tottenham at home.
Why do you keep beating this drum? It was never Liverpools to lose after the City game,it was never in Liverpools hands.
Stop making an idiot of yourself.
Enjoy the Europa Conference next season 👍
That is beyond tragic for Liverpool. Gutted for them. To tally a massive number of points and not win the league, twice now, just isn't a fair reflection on how brilliant domestically they are. And then the cruel nature today. Was sure it was Pool's title around 75 mins. Just cruel.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
After all that drama Liverpool and Manchester City win home games they where expected to win.
I said after the Manchester City 2 Liverpool draw in April that it was Liverpools title to lose as Manchester City was always going to slip up in at least one of their game. Liverpool just needed to win their remaining games to win this league title and drew with Tottenham at home.
Complete and absolute crap! Man City held the lead the whole way. It was theirs to lose and theirs only!
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
After all that drama Liverpool and Manchester City win home games they where expected to win.
I said after the Manchester City 2 Liverpool draw in April that it was Liverpools title to lose as Manchester City was always going to slip up in at least one of their game. Liverpool just needed to win their remaining games to win this league title and drew with Tottenham at home.
Complete and absolute crap! Man City held the lead the whole way. It was theirs to lose and theirs only!
You ok?
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2022, 06:08:46 PM
That is beyond tragic for Liverpool. Gutted for them. To tally a massive number of points and not win the league, twice now, just isn't a fair reflection on how brilliant domestically they are. And then the cruel nature today. Was sure it was Pool's title around 75 mins. Just cruel.
Invincible's but second
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
After all that drama Liverpool and Manchester City win home games they where expected to win.
I said after the Manchester City 2 Liverpool draw in April that it was Liverpools title to lose as Manchester City was always going to slip up in at least one of their game. Liverpool just needed to win their remaining games to win this league title and drew with Tottenham at home.
Complete and absolute crap! Man City held the lead the whole way. It was theirs to lose and theirs only!
You ok?
Yes, why you asking? ;D
The real question is are you ok? ;D
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2022, 06:08:46 PM
That is beyond tragic for Liverpool. Gutted for them. To tally a massive number of points and not win the league, twice now, just isn't a fair reflection on how brilliant domestically they are. And then the cruel nature today. Was sure it was Pool's title around 75 mins. Just cruel.
Awful cruel nature was before today. The Tottenham game at home proved to be the killer for them. Next season they'll likely stroll past Tottenham in Anfield.
Liverpool, Klopp and his players need to move on now to Paris where the Champions league title is theirs to lose.
Only just seen Burnley were relegated. Hopefully Notts Forest take their place.
G their some amount of Man U clowns popping up up now, bad sign when city now the dominant team in Manchester, and likely to be so for the nxt 10yrs.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2022, 06:24:51 PM
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2022, 06:08:46 PM
That is beyond tragic for Liverpool. Gutted for them. To tally a massive number of points and not win the league, twice now, just isn't a fair reflection on how brilliant domestically they are. And then the cruel nature today. Was sure it was Pool's title around 75 mins. Just cruel.
Awful cruel nature was before today. The Tottenham game at home proved to be the killer for them. Next season they'll likely stroll past Tottenham in Anfield.
Liverpool, Klopp and his players need to move on now to Paris where the Champions league title is theirs to lose.
You are some dose of skitter.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2022, 06:31:05 PM
G their some amount of Man U clowns popping up up now, bad sign when city now the dominant team in Manchester, and likely to be so for the nxt 10yrs.
Europa Conference League is theirs to lose :D
Quote from: laoislad on May 22, 2022, 06:35:21 PM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2022, 06:31:05 PM
G their some amount of Man U clowns popping up up now, bad sign when city now the dominant team in Manchester, and likely to be so for the nxt 10yrs.
Europa Conference League is theirs to lose :D
Is it conference or league? I suppose it's Thursday night football lol
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2022, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 22, 2022, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
After all that drama Liverpool and Manchester City win home games they where expected to win.
I said after the Manchester City 2 Liverpool draw in April that it was Liverpools title to lose as Manchester City was always going to slip up in at least one of their game. Liverpool just needed to win their remaining games to win this league title and drew with Tottenham at home.
Complete and absolute crap! Man City held the lead the whole way. It was theirs to lose and theirs only!
You ok?
Yes, why you asking? ;D
The real question is are you ok? ;D
I am. I'm delighted the season's over. ;D
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Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2022, 06:15:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on May 22, 2022, 06:10:53 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 22, 2022, 06:09:44 PM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 22, 2022, 06:01:13 PM
After all that drama Liverpool and Manchester City win home games they where expected to win.
I said after the Manchester City 2 Liverpool draw in April that it was Liverpools title to lose as Manchester City was always going to slip up in at least one of their game. Liverpool just needed to win their remaining games to win this league title and drew with Tottenham at home.
Complete and absolute crap! Man City held the lead the whole way. It was theirs to lose and theirs only!
You ok?
Yes, why you asking? ;D
The real question is are you ok? ;D
I am. I'm delighted the season's over. ;D
It's been a great season! ;D
16th and second ..
"If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing."
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
.............................. football was invented in 1993! ;D
Lets look at the last 10 years
Man City 5
Chelsea 2
Man Utd 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 06:48:07 PM
16th and second ..
"If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing."
Finishing second earns you
£41.8m, 16th earns you
£11m. In my accounting books that
£30m isn't nothing! ;)
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 06:48:07 PM
16th and second ..
"If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing."
Finishing second earns you £41.8m, 16th earns you £11m. In my accounting books that £30m isn't nothing! ;)
I don't think clubs that have plenty money worry too much but I'm happy enough to use Shankly's quote in competitive sport, second is as good as Utds second last year
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 06:48:07 PM
16th and second ..
"If you are first you are first. If you are second you are nothing."
Finishing second earns you £41.8m, 16th earns you £11m. In my accounting books that £30m isn't nothing! ;)
I don't think clubs that have plenty money worry too much but I'm happy enough to use Shankly's quote in competitive sport, second is as good as Utds second last year
City don't care about the squids. But Liverpool do! They don't like to lose money!
Aston Villa goalie assaulted during City fans pitch invasion ::)
Quote from: laoislad on May 22, 2022, 07:21:20 PM
Aston Villa goalie assaulted during City fans pitch invasion ::)
By Stevie G?
RS fans were lining up to celebrate Everton's relegation in the last few weeks.
So I'm absolutely delighted for them today.
See you next season
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on May 22, 2022, 07:27:56 PM
RS fans were lining up to celebrate Everton's relegation in the last few weeks.
So I'm absolutely delighted for them today.
See you next season
Them are fighting words ;D ;D ;D
What a great week. The unwashed of Glasgow and Liverpool both losing. Couldn't be happier. Come on Madrid.
Ah well, only the three trophies for the biggest club in England then. The blue shite to stay up and give us our usual 6 points next season and the Mancs ending up in the conference league after another year of banter-club football where they lost 9-0 to their bigger rivals over two games. These are the days.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
Ah well, only the three trophies for the biggest club in England then. The blue shite to stay up and give us our usual 6 points next season and the Mancs ending up in the conference league after another year of banter-club football where they lost 9-0 to their bigger rivals over two games. These are the days.
Conference?
30 Million only get you half a decent player these days.
I doubt Liverpool really expected to win the League before today but that's bound to hurt given that it looked like they just needed to score a goal in the last 20 minutes before Man City went goal crazy.
Could be deflating for them heading into the CL final next week and with a few injuries against a much fresher Real side I think they could find it difficult to win in Paris. Madrid just don't lose CL finals.
Leeds staying up was a bit of a surprise and I don't think we will see Burnley playing top flight football again anytime soon. If Forest get promoted the division will be full of traditional clubs next season. United at least avoided sinking to the conference league, Ten Haag has a huge job on his hands next season.
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
Ah well, only the three trophies for the biggest club in England then. The blue shite to stay up and give us our usual 6 points next season and the Mancs ending up in the conference league after another year of banter-club football where they lost 9-0 to their bigger rivals over two games. These are the days.
Conference?
Conference or europa. Same thing, they're that far down the league to know
Quote from: yellowcard on May 22, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
Could be deflating for them heading into the CL final next week and with a few injuries against a much fresher Real side I think they could find it difficult to win in Paris. Madrid just don’t lose CL finals.
About as deflating as season 2018/19 when they also lost the league title to City by 1 point and then went on to win the champions league.
The last European Cup Liverpool v Real Madrid final played in Paris was won by Liverpool. Real Madrid are only in this final because of a right c**k up by Man City i doubt Klopp will over think things like Pep.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
Ah well, only the three trophies for the biggest club in England then. The blue shite to stay up and give us our usual 6 points next season and the Mancs ending up in the conference league after another year of banter-club football where they lost 9-0 to their bigger rivals over two games. These are the days.
Conference?
Conference or europa. Same thing, they're that far down the league to know
Not been a good day I know, you get confused I said treble you said treble you said conference and it was Europa ;D
Was there some kind of incident during the game with the villa keeper? He seemed to get hit by a few different guys.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 22, 2022, 09:45:15 PM
Was there some kind of incident during the game with the villa keeper? He seemed to get hit by a few different guys.
He was attacked by a few City fans. Something needs to be done about this over the summer. It's set a scary precedent over the list few weeks with Forest, Everton and now City.
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
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Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
Ah well, only the three trophies for the biggest club in England then. The blue shite to stay up and give us our usual 6 points next season and the Mancs ending up in the conference league after another year of banter-club football where they lost 9-0 to their bigger rivals over two games. These are the days.
Conference?
Conference or europa. Same thing, they're that far down the league to know
Not been a good day I know, you get confused I said treble you said treble you said conference and it was Europa ;D
So the treble, good man.
Thursday night football, same thing, couldn't see that far down the league. What a trophy that is for Manchester United.
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 09:47:41 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
Ah well, only the three trophies for the biggest club in England then. The blue shite to stay up and give us our usual 6 points next season and the Mancs ending up in the conference league after another year of banter-club football where they lost 9-0 to their bigger rivals over two games. These are the days.
Conference?
Conference or europa. Same thing, they're that far down the league to know
Not been a good day I know, you get confused I said treble you said treble you said conference and it was Europa ;D
So a treble, good man.
Thursday night football, same thing, couldn't see that far down the league. What a trophy that is for Manchester United.
Only a treble if they win.. Madrid are woefully bad
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 09:49:55 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 09:37:36 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 09:27:36 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2022, 08:48:22 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 22, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
Ah well, only the three trophies for the biggest club in England then. The blue shite to stay up and give us our usual 6 points next season and the Mancs ending up in the conference league after another year of banter-club football where they lost 9-0 to their bigger rivals over two games. These are the days.
Conference?
Conference or europa. Same thing, they're that far down the league to know
Not been a good day I know, you get confused I said treble you said treble you said conference and it was Europa ;D
So a treble, good man.
Thursday night football, same thing, couldn't see that far down the league. What a trophy that is for Manchester United.
Only a treble if they win.. Madrid are woefully bad
Aye sure they only won La Liga and knocked out PSG, Chelsea and Man City. Woefully bad is right
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Quote from: imtommygunn on May 22, 2022, 09:45:15 PM
Was there some kind of incident during the game with the villa keeper? He seemed to get hit by a few different guys.
He was attacked by a few City fans. Something needs to be done about this over the summer. It's set a scary precedent over the list few weeks with Forest, Everton and now City.
Yeah I was wondering was he specifically targeted for some kind of reason. I saw he got hit a few times from a few different people. There have been quite a few unsavoury incidents this week.
City were the best team in the league. They won't be stopped next season now they've bought a striker. Had Ronaldo or any top striker came in last Sumner the title would've been won by end of Feb.
Think the villa goalie was maybe at the timewasting. Not that that excuses it. Even if its over exuberant fans doin the old pattin the head shizzle (which it hasnt been this week) the mass invasions will have to be clamped down one way or tother
Why were the Liverpool fans celebrating late on? I couldn't hear the commentary at the time.
Quote from: ONeill on May 22, 2022, 11:10:48 PM
Why were the Liverpool fans celebrating late on? I couldn't hear the commentary at the time.
False information. All it takes is a few clowns jumping up and down and then it spreads around the ground.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
Of the finals on next week, we can be fairly sure no opposing players will be half mugged by the opposition fans. Say something about the mentality of soccer supporters.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
Of the finals on next week, we can be fairly sure no opposing players will be half mugged by the opposition fans. Say something about the mentality of soccer supporters.
If it did happen it wouldn't be the first time it's happened in a GAA match either.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 22, 2022, 10:17:49 PM
City were the best team in the league. They won't be stopped next season now they've bought a striker. Had Ronaldo or any top striker came in last Sumner the title would've been won by end of Feb.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Guardiola's greatest attribute as a manager is that he has the presence/charisma to coerce maximum effort out of a squad of multi millionaires.
But every squad goes stale after a few years, and we don't yet know if he has the ability to manage transition. City don't look like they're about to transition just yet, but it's got to be close.
And while Haaland should be a success- there's no reason to think otherwise - you do have to ponder whether it's more beneficial for City to adjust towards a single focal point for goals, or whether said focal point should change up his game to suit a style of football that blows away 90% of opponents by half time. I'd we've learned one thing from Lukaku/Chelsea this season it's that the addition of a world class goal scorer, isn't always the best thing for a team.
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Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
That's one of the strangest takes I've ever read on the internet.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 22, 2022, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
Now that, is delusion
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2022, 11:44:50 PM
That's one of the strangest takes I've ever read on the internet.
Same here, enough said.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 22, 2022, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
there we have it, post of the day.....🙄
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
Of the finals on next week, we can be fairly sure no opposing players will be half mugged by the opposition fans. Say something about the mentality of soccer supporters.
It does, loads of scumbags following those clubs in England. The Ulster and Connacht finals will have fans entering the field next weekend to celebrate and nothing else. After routine victories Kerry and Dublin supporters will likely head home at the final whistle.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 23, 2022, 12:07:34 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
Of the finals on next week, we can be fairly sure no opposing players will be half mugged by the opposition fans. Say something about the mentality of soccer supporters.
It does, loads of scumbags following those clubs in England. The Ulster and Connacht finals will have fans entering the field next weekend to celebrate and nothing else. After routine victories Kerry and Dublin supporters will likely head home at the final whistle.
Who's to lose though , that's what we need to know!?
What happened to Arsenal? I thought 4th place was nailed on for them and now I see that they somehow collapsed/bottled it and allowed Tottenham to overhaul them for the lucrative CL spot.
Spurs go marching on.
Quote from: JoG2 on May 23, 2022, 12:09:57 AM
Quote from: Captain Obvious on May 23, 2022, 12:07:34 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on May 22, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
Of the finals on next week, we can be fairly sure no opposing players will be half mugged by the opposition fans. Say something about the mentality of soccer supporters.
It does, loads of scumbags following those clubs in England. The Ulster and Connacht finals will have fans entering the field next weekend to celebrate and nothing else. After routine victories Kerry and Dublin supporters will likely head home at the final whistle.
Who's to lose though , that's what we need to know!?
Has to be Derry, Rory Gallagher is spitting on his hands as we speak in anticipation of lifting the Anglo Celt Cup.
Quote from: Main Street on May 23, 2022, 12:24:29 AM
What happened to Arsenal? I thought 4th place was nailed on for them and now I see that they somehow collapsed/bottled it and allowed Tottenham to overhaul them for the lucrative CL spot.
Spurs go marching on.
Arsenal totally Spursed it.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 09:33:12 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on May 22, 2022, 09:13:09 PM
Could be deflating for them heading into the CL final next week and with a few injuries against a much fresher Real side I think they could find it difficult to win in Paris. Madrid just don't lose CL finals.
About as deflating as season 2018/19 when they also lost the league title to City by 1 point and then went on to win the champions league.
The last European Cup Liverpool v Real Madrid final played in Paris was won by Liverpool. Real Madrid are only in this final because of a right c**k up by Man City i doubt Klopp will over think things like Pep.
The last time they played in the final it was against Spurs...just about the ideal opponent in a final, they're not exactly comparable to a Real Madrid, Barca or Munich.
Plus I don't see any relevance a match played 41 years ago has to this years final.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 22, 2022, 11:44:50 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 22, 2022, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
That's one of the strangest takes I've ever read on the internet.
Not really. Liverpool fans suit things to their own agenda don't you know. Anyways, Manchester United have the most cumulative* league titles, and have for 9 years now. Despite LFC's winning ways since Klopp took over and Utd's shittieness in that period.
*cumulative = old Division 1 and various PL/Premiership titles for people who don't know.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 22, 2022, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
Someone needs to check your hard drive coming out with nonsense like that
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 22, 2022, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
Absolutely spot on. If Mancs want to play the "only one PL" card, then this is the response. Little do they know, that we have one "PL" and they don't have any haha
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 22, 2022, 11:59:31 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 22, 2022, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: Cunny Funt on May 22, 2022, 06:49:42 PM
Best side won the league title but they sure made hard work of it last week v West Ham and again today v Villa. Could see in both games as to why they continue to slip up in the Champions league.
30 seasons of the Premier league done and dusted now. Would be unthinkable that City would win that many league titles 15 years ago. Poor return for Liverpool with their history and tradition to be tied with Blackburn, Leicester.
Man United 13
Man City 6
Chelsea 5
Arsenal 3
Blackburn 1
Leicester 1
Liverpool 1
No harm to see Burnley relegated after sacking Sean Dyche who made them into the competitive Premier league side that few liked to play. Conte leads Spurs to 4th but it's worth noting he has a very poor Champions league record as manager so i won't be surprised if they drop to the Europa league along with Arsenal and United.
Blackburn do not have a Premier League, they have a FA Carling Premiership. Pretty sure you can take off a few of those United ones whilst you're at it. They have a mixture of FA Premier Leagues and Carling Premierships, but no Premier Leagues as it is in its current format.
there we have it, post of the day.....🙄
What's the difference between my post and the "Liverpool only have one Premier League title and United have 13?"
Even the trophy has changed a few times in the last 30years!!
Different name = Different league, no?
The wind up has been revealed.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 23, 2022, 11:37:46 AM
The wind up has been revealed.
Klopp will win a few more with his time at Liverpool well extended, he has a knack now of getting through these finals even if it takes to win on penalties they have it in their locker that even if they can't win in normal time that the players will not miss when it comes to penalties.
I'm out next Saturday so will miss it, hopefully its as entertaining as the last day games
This is the thing - he is fantastic and that is a fantastic team but I am not sure that he will win that many premier leagues - he will win more cups and champions leagues I would suspect. The consistency you need to beat Man City in the league is ridiculous.
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 12:17:01 PM
This is the thing - he is fantastic and that is a fantastic team but I am not sure that he will win that many premier leagues - he will win more cups and champions leagues I would suspect. The consistency you need to beat Man City in the league is ridiculous.
Pep will move on just before Newcastle become like PSG
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 12:17:01 PM
This is the thing - he is fantastic and that is a fantastic team but I am not sure that he will win that many premier leagues - he will win more cups and champions leagues I would suspect. The consistency you need to beat Man City in the league is ridiculous.
You do realise that in the 5 years City have won 4 LFC 1. LFC have been 2nd twice in those 4 wins, by 1 point. Last year the squad was decimated by injuries and in the first of the 4 City were untouchable. LFC are consistent, so are City. There is literally a sliver between the 2 teams which a few injuries either way can make a huge difference on. I genuinely don't know how much more consistent they can be.
The hope yesterday for this 20 odd minutes was excruciating but in real terms the season ended the way it was expected to end. Points dropped at West Ham and recently against Spurs were the killer in my opinion. Still any season where a team wins 2 trophies and possibly a third is a huge success. I'd say if the CL is won then it's been the greatest season in the Clubs history which is saying something. One things for sure Pep would gladly swap yesterdays results around if he won a CL with City. That's his holy Grail
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 23, 2022, 12:53:33 PM
Quote from: imtommygunn on May 23, 2022, 12:17:01 PM
This is the thing - he is fantastic and that is a fantastic team but I am not sure that he will win that many premier leagues - he will win more cups and champions leagues I would suspect. The consistency you need to beat Man City in the league is ridiculous.
You do realise that in the 5 years City have won 4 LFC 1. LFC have been 2nd twice in those 4 wins, by 1 point. Last year the squad was decimated by injuries and in the first of the 4 City were untouchable. LFC are consistent, so are City. There is literally a sliver between the 2 teams which a few injuries either way can make a huge difference on. I genuinely don't know how much more consistent they can be.
The hope yesterday for this 20 odd minutes was excruciating but in real terms the season ended the way it was expected to end. Points dropped at West Ham and recently against Spurs were the killer in my opinion. Still any season where a team wins 2 trophies and possibly a third is a huge success. I'd say if the CL is won then it's been the greatest season in the Clubs history which is saying something. One things for sure Pep would gladly swap yesterdays results around if he won a CL with City. That's his holy Grail
I do realise that and that is basically my point but Liverpool at their best bar one year still couldn't conquer them. I'm not slating Liverpool - genuinely. Klopp and this team are fantastic and I think it is going to be unfortunate that when history looks back it will be at a great liverpool team but a great liverpool team that hasn't capitalised with league titles. I don't like Man City at all really as for me they are a bit manufactured and have just bought titles.
Liverpool will win the PL again with Klopp there. City would gladly swap a league for Champions League. If we're talking about legacies, there's a strong argument that City won't be considered truly great until they win a Champions League. Other great sides have won numerous leagues and European Cups simultaneously.
I don't buy that if I'm honest. That city team is unreal. As is the Liverpool team. Both could be mentioned in the great premierships/ premier league / League 1 teams. The football for both have been a joy to watch. And the difference between them and the closest rivals is huge. I do hop Liverpool add a CL/ PL to the collection before the inevitable decline. We just don't have the finances to compete at that level long term. It just takes a couple of high profile flops in the transfer market and we could be back in the pack. That's the difference with City and Liverpool.
Quote from: Armamike on May 23, 2022, 01:31:27 PM
Liverpool will win the PL again with Klopp there. City would gladly swap a league for Champions League. If we're talking about legacies, there's a strong argument that City won't be considered truly great until they win a Champions League. Other great sides have won numerous leagues and European Cups simultaneously.
Were Man Utd not a great side from 92-98??
Quote from: Armamike on May 23, 2022, 01:31:27 PM
Liverpool will win the PL again with Klopp there. City would gladly swap a league for Champions League. If we're talking about legacies, there's a strong argument that City won't be considered truly great until they win a Champions League. Other great sides have won numerous leagues and European Cups simultaneously.
The same could be argument could be thrown at Liverpool.. For this current legacy they only have 1 league title
The biggest difference is the squad.
Klopp built a super team - not a super squad.
You can see he has made improvements with regards to the squad but City built a squad and in a PL season you rely on a bigger group of players.
It was almost a guessing game some weeks who would start for City - with everyone fit you could name 9/10 starters for Liverpool every week
Liverpool are a great cup team
Quote from: Taylor on May 23, 2022, 02:30:16 PM
The biggest difference is the squad.
Klopp built a super team - not a super squad.
You can see he has made improvements with regards to the squad but City built a squad and in a PL season you rely on a bigger group of players.
It was almost a guessing game some weeks who would start for City - with everyone fit you could name 9/10 starters for Liverpool every week
Liverpool are a great cup team
Without yet taking time to descend a rabbit hole of stats, I do believe that this season City and Scouse weren't far off equal in terms of squad rotation during the EPL.
Yet more English PL hype which we are fed through the media we consume. They are both very good sides of their own era, City being the more consistent over a longer period. But they are both also greater than the sum of their parts and are heavily dependent on 2 of the greatest managers of the last generation. The minute either Pep or Klopp leaves (Klopp especially since Liverpool can't match the finances of City) both clubs will drop back again. City will be like Dublin though where their vast resources ensure that they are still competing for titles in the aftermath.
Certainly in European terms, neither side would be seen as among the greatest of this generation like the Real Madrids or Barcelonas of the last 15 years. Both of those sides were laced with superstar generational talents whereas City and Liverpool have very few truly world class players.
Next season it is hard to look beyond City and Liverpool again though. On paper the signing of Haaland probably makes City favourites but you don't know how that will work out either. Football is fickle and things can change quickly. Give it another 2 or 3 years and Newcastle will be challenging for titles whilst Man United are only a decent manager away from turning it around given the size of the club. Chelsea I am not so sure about, I think they may drop off a bit next season as they are losing a few key defenders.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2022, 02:43:41 PM
Yet more English PL hype which we are fed through the media we consume. They are both very good sides of their own era, City being the more consistent over a longer period. But they are both also greater than the sum of their parts and are heavily dependent on 2 of the greatest managers of the last generation. The minute either Pep or Klopp leaves (Klopp especially since Liverpool can't match the finances of City) both clubs will drop back again. City will be like Dublin though where their vast resources ensure that they are still competing for titles in the aftermath.
Certainly in European terms, neither side would be seen as among the greatest of this generation like the Real Madrids or Barcelonas of the last 15 years. Both of those sides were laced with superstar generational talents whereas City and Liverpool have very few truly world class players.
Next season it is hard to look beyond City and Liverpool again though. On paper the signing of Haaland probably makes City favourites but you don't know how that will work out either. Football is fickle and things can change quickly. Give it another 2 or 3 years and Newcastle will be challenging for titles whilst Man United are only a decent manager away from turning it around given the size of the club. Chelsea I am not so sure about, I think they may drop off a bit next season as they are losing a few key defenders. Investors
fixed that...
Quote from: thewobbler on May 23, 2022, 02:39:53 PM
Quote from: Taylor on May 23, 2022, 02:30:16 PM
The biggest difference is the squad.
Klopp built a super team - not a super squad.
You can see he has made improvements with regards to the squad but City built a squad and in a PL season you rely on a bigger group of players.
It was almost a guessing game some weeks who would start for City - with everyone fit you could name 9/10 starters for Liverpool every week
Liverpool are a great cup team
Without yet taking time to descend a rabbit hole of stats, I do believe that this season City and Scouse weren't far off equal in terms of squad rotation during the EPL.
Without also going down the rabbit hole the players City brought in are superior to Liverpools IMHO.
Quote from: yellowcard on May 23, 2022, 02:43:41 PM
Yet more English PL hype which we are fed through the media we consume. They are both very good sides of their own era, City being the more consistent over a longer period. But they are both also greater than the sum of their parts and are heavily dependent on 2 of the greatest managers of the last generation. The minute either Pep or Klopp leaves (Klopp especially since Liverpool can't match the finances of City) both clubs will drop back again. City will be like Dublin though where their vast resources ensure that they are still competing for titles in the aftermath.
Certainly in European terms, neither side would be seen as among the greatest of this generation like the Real Madrids or Barcelonas of the last 15 years. Both of those sides were laced with superstar generational talents whereas City and Liverpool have very few truly world class players.
Next season it is hard to look beyond City and Liverpool again though. On paper the signing of Haaland probably makes City favourites but you don't know how that will work out either. Football is fickle and things can change quickly. Give it another 2 or 3 years and Newcastle will be challenging for titles whilst Man United are only a decent manager away from turning it around given the size of the club. Chelsea I am not so sure about, I think they may drop off a bit next season as they are losing a few key defenders.
Pep is a great coach and has been very successful with the medals and honours to show it. However I'm not convinced City would miss him in the same way Liverpool would miss Klopp. The sheer resources at City makes consistency easier and this will become more evident with the 5 sub rule. My view is a lot of top coaches would manage City to league titles.
When the resources aren't as much of an advantage and games require good tactical ability to give a team the edge which is the case in Europe Pep has been found out every time since leaving the Barcelona team led by Messi and probably the best club team in generations. At Bayern and City he has had significantly more domestic resources than every other team but hasn't been able to get success in Europe
Klopp is different, the resources aren't the same but he still manages to achieve 90+ points on a consistent basis. Where he is the best coach in the world is when competing in Europe. If Klopp was at City football could forget competition. If Pep was at Liverpool I don't think they'd get the same points total or be winning Champion Leagues. Klopp is everything to Liverpool's current success, but with City another coach could possibly bring them what they really want, success in Europe.
I went to see Man City the fallen angels beat Gillingham in the old Division 3 playoff at Wembley in 1999.
Now they are a petrol club with psychological issues. It won't last. They'll never catch up with Liverpool and Man Utd.
Quote from: cornerback on May 23, 2022, 01:54:25 PM
Quote from: Armamike on May 23, 2022, 01:31:27 PM
Liverpool will win the PL again with Klopp there. City would gladly swap a league for Champions League. If we're talking about legacies, there's a strong argument that City won't be considered truly great until they win a Champions League. Other great sides have won numerous leagues and European Cups simultaneously.
Were Man Utd not a great side from 92-98??
In PL terms yes of course. A brilliant team(s). But there was a question mark hanging over them at the highest of levels in Europe. They couldn't do it at that level, until Ferguson adapted their style. My point is you need to do it in Europe too. You think people outside Italy register that Juve won 10 titles on the trot or whatever it was?
In fairness to that United team, part of their problem in Europe was the foreign player issue. They couldn't always field their best team. Plus, the standard of the premier league wasn't as high overall compared to Europe as it is now; there was a step up in level when it came to the CL.
That was the issue, Fergie had to build a team to win titles again but the European rule probably cost him at least one if not more CL's in that era. I think it's one of the reasons the "Class of 92" was brought through rapidly as they were all mostly English and he got frustrated having to see some of his best players sit in the stands on big European nights. The rule really suited Ajax at the time as it kept a high number of quality Dutch players at home.
Quote from: seafoid on May 23, 2022, 03:01:42 PM
I went to see Man City the fallen angels beat Gillingham in the old Division 3 playoff at Wembley in 1999.
Now they are a petrol club with psychological issues. It won't last. They'll never catch up with Liverpool and Man Utd.
City are a joke of a club, they've bought the league again, end of, and Chelsea the same with their haul plus 2 Champions League
Liverpool have been denied an incredible achievement by a bunch of cheats
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2022, 03:23:33 PM
In fairness to that United team, part of their problem in Europe was the foreign player issue. They couldn't always field their best team. Plus, the standard of the premier league wasn't as high overall compared to Europe as it is now; there was a step up in level when it came to the CL.
You've a point there J70 but I Man U got knocked out by some of the lesser lights, not just the Spanish and Italian giants. From what I remember Ferguson had them playing the same high octane football they played in the PL and he realised he had to change it.
That was part of my point though. The premier league wasn't anything special compared to a lot of the other European leagues in the 90s. Bergkamp arrived in 95 or 96, and after that a lot more foreign players began to come into the league, eventually bridging the gap to Serie A etc, but there wasn't much beyond English hype to expect that United SHOULD be among the top challengers at that time.
Quote from: J70 on May 23, 2022, 04:40:44 PM
That was part of my point though. The premier league wasn't anything special compared to a lot of the other European leagues in the 90s. Bergkamp arrived in 95 or 96, and after that a lot more foreign players began to come into the league, eventually bridging the gap to Serie A etc, but there wasn't much beyond English hype to expect that United SHOULD be among the top challengers at that time.
Don't underestimate the European ban and how much that played a part in how English teams approached the European cup games. Was after 1990 World Cup
there was that plus the quality of "home nation" player just wasn't near the quality of other countries. Italy were constantly challenging for world cups and spain weren't half bad either. England were rubbish.
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
Quote from: Sportacus on May 23, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
Drugs ....just drugs.
The standard of the PL definitely wasn't as good in the 90s. More often than not when an English side faced an Italian, Spanish or even French side for e.g. they struggled. English sides did fair relatively well in the old Cup Winners cup but it was obviously the lesser of the 3 European competitions at that time. Once Utd won the Champions league in 99 things started to change and English sides were much more competitive there after. As mentioned previously, alot more foreigners were coming into the league at that time too.
Wenger changed the premier league lifestyle wise etc. It led to the end of the drinking dens etc.
Quote from: Sportacus on May 23, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
PED's without a doubt
City's title parade was a bit.... crap.
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 23, 2022, 09:18:43 PM
City's title parade was a bit.... crap.
They must be bored of winning it
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2022, 09:47:57 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on May 23, 2022, 09:18:43 PM
City's title parade was a bit.... crap.
They must be bored of winning it
Possibly, or maybe they've f**k all fans....
Of course they've no fans sure everyone supports brand Liverpool!!
Quote from: screenexile on May 23, 2022, 10:03:34 PM
Of course they've no fans sure everyone supports brand Liverpool!!
Liverpool are popular alright! They have a good brand!
Quote from: Armagh18 on May 23, 2022, 08:32:43 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on May 23, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
PED's without a doubt
How did United for years benefit from injury time winners at the end of games including 2 goals in a European cup final winning the treble. Did they do extra laps at the end of training or did they have illegal help?
Quote from: Sportacus on May 23, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
Large squad. Those players play week in week in because they're among the best (if not the best) in their positions in world football, plus they don't get injured much.
Would love to know how many TUEs each club in the premier league has.
I wonder how many asthmatics are managing to carve out a successful Premier League career?
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City's title parade was a bit.... crap.
They must be bored of winning it
Possibly, or maybe they've f**k all fans....
That takes time.
Kids in Manchester now would be more likely to follow the success of Man City whereas their parents generation grew up in the era of Utd dominance.
It will change.
I remember United hampered by the foreigner rule but I also remember that Juventus team of the mid 90's as being a level above. Things obviously changed pretty quickly after that with the foreigner rule change and the movement of the best players to the Premier League instead of Serie A. Bergkamp was a big signing but he was a flop in Italy. I would say the biggest statement was Ravanelli landing in his prime.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 24, 2022, 09:08:16 AM
I remember United hampered by the foreigner rule but I also remember that Juventus team of the mid 90's as being a level above. Things obviously changed pretty quickly after that with the foreigner rule change and the movement of the best players to the Premier League instead of Serie A. Bergkamp was a big signing but he was a flop in Italy. I would say the biggest statement was Ravanelli landing in his prime.
for me it was Ruud Gullit, he was one of the top footballers in the world when he went to Chelsea.
Ravanelli was bought by Middlesbrough, my how things were different back then!
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Quote from: Sportacus on May 23, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
Drugs ....just drugs.
Defo!
Will need to up the doses next season though if we want to win the Premier League.!
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Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 23, 2022, 07:58:02 PM
Quote from: Sportacus on May 23, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
Drugs ....just drugs.
Defo!
Will need to up the doses next season though if we want to win the Premier League.!
The secret's out now though. Authortities will be clamping down.
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 24, 2022, 09:08:16 AM
I remember United hampered by the foreigner rule but I also remember that Juventus team of the mid 90's as being a level above. Things obviously changed pretty quickly after that with the foreigner rule change and the movement of the best players to the Premier League instead of Serie A. Bergkamp was a big signing but he was a flop in Italy. I would say the biggest statement was Ravanelli landing in his prime.
Miguel Delaney writing an opinion piece last December about bringing this rule back into play.
It is always the last week of the Champions League group stages that highlights the first problem that football should be solving.
There is not much peril to any of the final games. As many as 12 of the 16 knockout places have already been confirmed, with 10 of those among the 12 wealthiest in the competition.
It's a far cry from the 1990s, when there was never a single year where even half the final games were dead rubbers.
The problem clearly goes beyond this season, or even the structure of the Champions League itself. It is not something that a new "Swiss model" is going to solve. You only have to look around Europe's domestic competitions. The Premier League currently has the top three streaking away, on top of another broadcasting deal that puts it far ahead of the rest of European football. Paris Saint-Germain are already 11 points clear of the rest of Ligue 1. Bayern Munich have again just suffocated any potential excitement about a real title race in Germany, by beating Dortmund and ensuring that no one seriously doubts they will win a 10th successive title.
A 10th successive title. The words alone should be enough to prompt an inquest as to how this is addressed, especially when the problem is so obvious.
It is a dismal financial disparity, that is destroying football's inherent unpredictability.
Some at the top of the game do badly want to solve this, but don't know where to turn.
One potential solution may come from looking back into the Champions League's own history – towards those days of the 1990s.
It might be time to consider the return of the foreign player rule.
It is one regulation that would actually bring multiple benefits, because of the specific nature of the problem.
The abolition of the rule, which allowed three players from outside a club's home country and two "assimilated" youth products, was one of the huge changes that came with the Bosman ruling in 1995. Along with players being able to move freely when their contracts ended, the European Court of Justice (ECJ) decreed that European Union clubs could hire any number of EU players, with that eventually extended to signings from all over the world.
The rule had caused particular problems for British clubs, especially with how Irish players – at that point a mainstay in the Premier League's top teams – were considered foreign. Sir Alex Ferguson constantly had to make huge selection calls, with the worst coming when Peter Schmeichel was dropped for Gary Walsh for that notorious 4-0 Manchester United defeat to Barcelona in Camp Nou.
The Spanish champions' own foreign stars, Romario and Hristo Stoichkov, did most of the damage.
Back then, British clubs just couldn't dream of affording that kind of talent. The Bosman ruling was one of a few key factors that changed this.
Rangers rejoiced at the rule change, since the Scottish champions had been constantly lobbying for exactly that.
"We are delighted with the verdict," vice-chairman Donald Findlay QC said at the time. "It means that our foreign players are now just Rangers players, pure and simple, and are available for every game."
What it instead did was ensure a football world where players of the standard of Danish playmaker legend Brian Laudrup or the former Ukraine midfielder Oleksiy Mykhaylychenko were just unavailable to Rangers, because they wouldn't drop to a league of Scotland's status. These clubs have been among the biggest victims of the Bosman ruling.
The new rules essentially created the most open and biggest labour market in the world. As football historian David Goldblatt has argued to The Independent, it was a more global market than even international banking.
The idea might have been that it just made the football world open and entirely democratic for any individual planet. The actual consequence has been that it funnels the game towards the wealthiest, while making them wealthier.
The richest clubs were suddenly completely free to accumulate as much of the best talent as they could afford, hollowing out everyone else, and making themselves more commercially attractive.
A self-perpetuating cycle had started, getting worse at every turn. It is why the situation wasn't so bad even in the mid-2000s, but began to really accelerate in the last decade. We went from a situation where big clubs could build strong squads to one where they build super squads. There was literally no limit on the talent they could bring in, bar budget. That had never been seen in football before.
Even Jean-Marc Bosman, the man who sparked much of this, expressed regret over the effects in an interview with The Guardian in 2015.
"Now the 25 or so richest clubs transfer players for astronomical sums and smaller clubs cannot afford to buy at those prices," Bosman said. "So the 25 pull further and further away from the rest, deepening the gap between big and small. That was not the aim of the Bosman ruling."
Its effect has since been even worse, though. You can no longer even say it is 25 clubs. It is probably about 12 to 15.
Naturally, those 12-15 are entirely resistant to the idea of greater redistribution of resources in football. The push for the Super League shows that.
It is why a new foreign player rule could offer an alternative solution. If you can't redistribute the money, you can redistribute what it buys. You can ensure a greater spread of the talent.
At a stroke, a new rule would prevent big clubs bringing in as much talent, while slowing down their expenditure. They would
have to be more calculated about signings, and who they pick.
This would by default ensure more players stay at smaller clubs for that bit longer, and that there is more higher talent
available to them. It of course doesn't solve the issue of financial disparity but it does eat into the problem by a significant amount. It would just increase competitive balance in football that bit more.
There would also be other benefits, not least to the vitality and variety of the game.
More players would extend their time at their initial clubs or home countries, enriching the domestic leagues. This is essential since the vast majority now find it impossible to compete with the major competitions due to the TV markets not being big enough, with some of the "big five" even finding it impossible to keep up with the Premier League. The direction of travel is all too clear. It needs diversion, and regulation.
A foreign player rule just stems the speed and flow of the brain drain by a game-changing amount.
England would have more money, for example, but it just wouldn't be able to bring in a greater extent of the players. You wouldn't see an Ajax 2019 – Champions League semi-finalists – or a Porto 2004 – European champions that season – asset-stripped as quickly either.
It would genuinely be better for every national association, too. It would be for the health of the sport.
As well as providing a boost to the majority of European leagues, young players from every country would be given more space to develop.
For the best effect of this, you only have to consider most of eastern Europe. Communist states used to have a rule where players couldn't leave until they were in their late twenties. This argument obviously isn't a defence for the wider political philosophy of the eastern bloc, but the sporting effect was clear.
Because their clubs could keep players longer, they were properly competitive. The Georgian club Dinamo Tbilisi of the early 1980s are still considered one of the best sides in those first four decades of European history, in a way that is simply impossible now.
A foreign player rule could at least bring some of the same effects.
A frequent counter-argument has been that it would deny young players the education process that comes with the elevation of quality from foreign signings. This need not be taken away, though. The rule does not need to be as severe as in the mid-1990s. More than five starters could be allowed. It just needs to be sufficient to stem the drastic flow of talent in the game, so it could improve competition.
That would also ensure it isn't a restraint of trade.
A reasonable legal argument could similarly be made to the ECJ that is in the interests of the health of the sport, especially given the trajectory of the game. There should really be deep concern that the continent's most popular cultural pursuit has been so distorted by money, and the very principles of business.
It is crying out for greater regulation.
The main problem is that the big clubs will remain so resistant. You only have to look at the responses to England's fan-led review, not to mention the apparently meek acceptance of Bayern's damaging superiority in Germany.
This has been one of the reasons the game has got to this point. Almost no one looks at it in terms of football as a whole. Good regulations within one country become irrelevant because their clubs have to compete with those from other leagues.
It's just this is becoming too big a problem. An old rule may offer a new solution, with multiple benefits.
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Quote from: Sportacus on May 23, 2022, 07:54:04 PM
It amazes me how Liverpool out-work other teams week after week with such a small first team group and playing across four competitions. They've added Dias and Jota, but they remain a small squad with the likes of Trent, Salah, Robertson playing week in and week out when fit. Their S&C coach must be a miracle worker.
Drugs ....just drugs.
Defo!
Will need to up the doses next season though if we want to win the Premier League.!
The secret's out now though. Authortities will be clamping down.
I think City will get bored of winning the league and take their eye off it next year, keeping the squad fit and no injuries over the world cup period and should win with 93 points to City's 90
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 24, 2022, 09:08:16 AM
I remember United hampered by the foreigner rule but I also remember that Juventus team of the mid 90's as being a level above. Things obviously changed pretty quickly after that with the foreigner rule change and the movement of the best players to the Premier League instead of Serie A. Bergkamp was a big signing but he was a flop in Italy. I would say the biggest statement was Ravanelli landing in his prime.
Yes, but Bergkamp quickly established himself as one of the best players in the PL and played the best years of his career there. Ravanelli - was a breath of fresh air at the time, along with the likes of Klinsmann at Tottenham and Vialli at Chelsea, but you always felt those boys were after the big payday in the latter stages of their careers, having won what they needed to, including the CL, already. Which I guess is part of the point. The PL now had the money to start attracting these big foreign stars, whereas prior to that, it was just another European league on a par with most and well behind Serie A. Even second rate Italian clubs won European trophies in the 90s, whereas England were nowhere to be seen. So I wouldn't look at Ferguson's lack of success in Europe at the time as a failure. That came later when the overall, relative, standard of the PL rose as those teams started to attract the best players for the best years of their careers.
Gullit was past his best when he came to Chelsea but Ravanelli was at his peak and was their top scorer and scored in the CL final that they won too. Obviously he didn't have much of a say in the transfer but money talked and away he went, think he ended up on 42k a week compared to the 7k a week he was on at Juventus.
7k/week when he was winning the CL with Juve!
Still a massive salary, but illustrative of how much money is in the game now.
Most of the English Championship level clubs are paying out more than that today.
https://sqaf.club/how-much-do-championship-players-earn/ (https://sqaf.club/how-much-do-championship-players-earn/)
Aye J70 but a £1 back then got you a can of coke, packet of crisps, a bar of chocolate and a wham bar :)
https://twitter.com/robohanrahan/status/1529061200277000192?s=21&t=JH9Xft03itTaJQ2Z0ePYTQ
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https://twitter.com/robohanrahan/status/1529061200277000192?s=21&t=JH9Xft03itTaJQ2Z0ePYTQ
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Quote from: HiMucker on May 24, 2022, 02:26:18 PM
Aye J70 but a £1 back then got you a can of coke, packet of crisps, a bar of chocolate and a wham bar :)
:D
PL finally getting round to blocking leveraged buy outs.
Long overdue.
Next season.
August 6, 2022: Premier League starts
November 12-13: Premier League goes on break
November 21: World Cup starts
December 18: World Cup final
December 26: Premier League resumes
May 28, 2023: Premier League finishes
Quote from: J70 on May 24, 2022, 01:54:31 PM
7k/week when he was winning the CL with Juve!
Still a massive salary, but illustrative of how much money is in the game now.
Most of the English Championship level clubs are paying out more than that today.
https://sqaf.club/how-much-do-championship-players-earn/ (https://sqaf.club/how-much-do-championship-players-earn/)
Your average painter decorator's on that now.
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2022/0523/1300687-irish-in-premier-league-going-has-never-been-tougher/
Just 14 Irishmen featured in England's elite division this season.
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2022/0524/1300891-bbc-sorry-over-manchester-united-ticker-blunder/
Forest promoted
Good to have Forest back in the top division.
But that was a cast iron peno for Huddersfield in the second half. No idea how VAR didn't overturn the ref's decision.
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 06:32:16 PM
Good to have Forest back in the top division.
But that was a cast iron peno for Huddersfield in the second half. No idea how VAR didn't overturn the ref's decision.
just seen highlights, Huddersfield can feel hard done by, the should've had at least one penalty, maybe 2.
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Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 06:32:16 PM
Good to have Forest back in the top division.
But that was a cast iron peno for Huddersfield in the second half. No idea how VAR didn't overturn the ref's decision.
just seen highlights, Huddersfield can feel hard done by, the should've had at least one penalty, maybe 2.
Given the importance of the game, I'd class it as the worst decision in English football since VAR! No excuse
Great to see Forest back. Though anyone who writes Notts Forest should be shot. Have seen it several times on social media. Would be like calling Everton 'Liverpool Everton'.
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Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 06:32:16 PM
Good to have Forest back in the top division.
But that was a cast iron peno for Huddersfield in the second half. No idea how VAR didn't overturn the ref's decision.
just seen highlights, Huddersfield can feel hard done by, the should've had at least one penalty, maybe 2.
Given the importance of the game, I'd class it as the worst decision in English football since VAR! No excuse
The ref and var not giving Evrton a penalty late in the game against city for handball. It ended up costing Liverpool the league.
Always liked Notts Forest, one of the traditional clubs.
Good to see them back and considering where they were at the start of the season it makes it an even more remarkable achievement.
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Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 06:32:16 PM
Good to have Forest back in the top division.
But that was a cast iron peno for Huddersfield in the second half. No idea how VAR didn't overturn the ref's decision.
just seen highlights, Huddersfield can feel hard done by, the should've had at least one penalty, maybe 2.
Given the importance of the game, I'd class it as the worst decision in English football since VAR! No excuse
The ref and var not giving Evrton a penalty late in the game against city for handball. It ended up costing Liverpool the league.
These things have a way of evening themselves out over the season
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Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 10:00:24 PM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 29, 2022, 08:09:23 PM
Quote from: Hound on May 29, 2022, 06:32:16 PM
Good to have Forest back in the top division.
But that was a cast iron peno for Huddersfield in the second half. No idea how VAR didn't overturn the ref's decision.
just seen highlights, Huddersfield can feel hard done by, the should've had at least one penalty, maybe 2.
Given the importance of the game, I'd class it as the worst decision in English football since VAR! No excuse
The ref and var not giving Evrton a penalty late in the game against city for handball. It ended up costing Liverpool the league.
That wasn't a correct decision, but there was some subjectivity in it. The Huddersfield field one was 100% clear cut
Better load up!
Quote from: ONeill on May 29, 2022, 11:06:23 PM
Great to see Forest back. Though anyone who writes Notts Forest should be shot. Have seen it several times on social media. Would be like calling Everton 'Liverpool Everton'.
Quote from: Turf on May 30, 2022, 05:24:42 AM
Always liked Notts Forest, one of the traditional clubs.
Good to see them back and considering where they were at the start of the season it makes it an even more remarkable achievement.
Having Forest and Leeds in the top division is like a throwback to the early 90s.
Always liked Nottingham Forest myself.
Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
Having Forest and Leeds in the top division is like a throwback to the early 90s.
All we need now is Sheffield Wednesday and Ipswich. Be great to bring back the baggy shirts too.
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Quote from: seafoid on May 31, 2022, 08:40:17 AM
Having Forest and Leeds in the top division is like a throwback to the early 90s.
All we need now is Sheffield Wednesday and Ipswich. Be great to bring back the baggy shirts too.
gaa should bring back those shirts with colors too and proper long sleeves
Trevor Giles has already applied for an exemption
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Trevor Giles has already applied for an exemption
Though sleeveless it will need designed with the 3 short stripes or Trevor will have to do with out.
Re the 2022/2023 season ahead, throwing a daft WC into the mix, player burn out, injuries forcing huge squad rotation, I can't see anything other than a cake walk for Man City, 15+ points win (and I don't do cute hoorism). No-one can remotely compete with their money, squad etc
Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Re the 2022/2023 season ahead, throwing a daft WC into the mix, player burn out, injuries forcing huge squad rotation, I can't see anything other than a cake walk for Man City, 15+ points win (and I don't do cute hoorism). No-one can remotely compete with their money, squad etc
5 sub rule changes the game as well, Liverpool have worked miracles to compete but City being able to use 5 substitutes every league game means they could easily achieve 100 points next season.
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Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Re the 2022/2023 season ahead, throwing a daft WC into the mix, player burn out, injuries forcing huge squad rotation, I can't see anything other than a cake walk for Man City, 15+ points win (and I don't do cute hoorism). No-one can remotely compete with their money, squad etc
5 sub rule changes the game as well, Liverpool have worked miracles to compete but City being able to use 5 substitutes every league game means they could easily achieve 100 points next season.
All clubs will have that ability to use 5 subs.. But you can only play with 11 so that hasn't changed, they used 5 subs against Real and still got chinned in their most important game to that point!
5 subs will be great if you looking to change tactics or when behind a needing something else, but lets say we take Liverpool for example, is there any games last year that using 5 subs would have changed the game? In the league they never lost. so for City and Liverpool I can't see much of a difference.
I actually think it will help teams play players that are looking some game time who are getting back from injury and there is less pressure to keep them on for too long and cause longer issues with injuries, being able to bring more subs on will increase the internal competitiveness when team selection is being made with fringe players getting more opportunities to get time on the pitch
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Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Re the 2022/2023 season ahead, throwing a daft WC into the mix, player burn out, injuries forcing huge squad rotation, I can't see anything other than a cake walk for Man City, 15+ points win (and I don't do cute hoorism). No-one can remotely compete with their money, squad etc
5 sub rule changes the game as well, Liverpool have worked miracles to compete but City being able to use 5 substitutes every league game means they could easily achieve 100 points next season.
All clubs will have that ability to use 5 subs.. But you can only play with 11 so that hasn't changed, they used 5 subs against Real and still got chinned in their most important game to that point!
5 subs will be great if you looking to change tactics or when behind a needing something else, but lets say we take Liverpool for example, is there any games last year that using 5 subs would have changed the game? In the league they never lost. so for City and Liverpool I can't see much of a difference.
I actually think it will help teams play players that are looking some game time who are getting back from injury and there is less pressure to keep them on for too long and cause longer issues with injuries, being able to bring more subs on will increase the internal competitiveness when team selection is being made with fringe players getting more opportunities to get time on the pitch
You've completely missed the point MR2
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on June 01, 2022, 01:47:14 PM
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Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Re the 2022/2023 season ahead, throwing a daft WC into the mix, player burn out, injuries forcing huge squad rotation, I can't see anything other than a cake walk for Man City, 15+ points win (and I don't do cute hoorism). No-one can remotely compete with their money, squad etc
5 sub rule changes the game as well, Liverpool have worked miracles to compete but City being able to use 5 substitutes every league game means they could easily achieve 100 points next season.
All clubs will have that ability to use 5 subs.. But you can only play with 11 so that hasn't changed, they used 5 subs against Real and still got chinned in their most important game to that point!
5 subs will be great if you looking to change tactics or when behind a needing something else, but lets say we take Liverpool for example, is there any games last year that using 5 subs would have changed the game? In the league they never lost. so for City and Liverpool I can't see much of a difference.
I actually think it will help teams play players that are looking some game time who are getting back from injury and there is less pressure to keep them on for too long and cause longer issues with injuries, being able to bring more subs on will increase the internal competitiveness when team selection is being made with fringe players getting more opportunities to get time on the pitch
You've completely missed the point MR2
I don't see it as a problem, and can't see how City will get 100 points just because they can, is my point.
I've listed that City could use 5 subs in the CL and it made no difference, in fact using the 5 subs and taking off the better players could be argued that it caused them to lose..
I know the rule is coming into the PL I think for a lot of clubs it is a good thing, again, you don't have to use them.
I think it's very obvious, or should be, the 5 subs rule benefits the bigger teams with deeper squads. Not sure why it's even up for debate :-\
Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Re the 2022/2023 season ahead, throwing a daft WC into the mix, player burn out, injuries forcing huge squad rotation, I can't see anything other than a cake walk for Man City, 15+ points win (and I don't do cute hoorism). No-one can remotely compete with their money, squad etc
It's hard to know. How many premier leagues in a row do they win before a little bit of mental fatigue, complacency or whatever creeps in. Liverpool will do everything in their power to go one better next season. If Liverpool weren't competing it would be a stroll every year for City!
There'll be an increased benefit of keeping an Andy Carroll type around the squad on match days, an a James Collins type to fend him off. The like of these could have an almost NFL style place kicker value.
It should also see more youngsters making their bow and gaining valuable minutes.
It will allow managers a real option for subbing a sub who doesn't perform, which is welcome.
But it will play mostly into the hands of wealthier clubs. This is the way, in association football.
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Quote from: Gael80 on June 01, 2022, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: JoG2 on June 01, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Re the 2022/2023 season ahead, throwing a daft WC into the mix, player burn out, injuries forcing huge squad rotation, I can't see anything other than a cake walk for Man City, 15+ points win (and I don't do cute hoorism). No-one can remotely compete with their money, squad etc
5 sub rule changes the game as well, Liverpool have worked miracles to compete but City being able to use 5 substitutes every league game means they could easily achieve 100 points next season.
All clubs will have that ability to use 5 subs.. But you can only play with 11 so that hasn't changed, they used 5 subs against Real and still got chinned in their most important game to that point!
5 subs will be great if you looking to change tactics or when behind a needing something else, but lets say we take Liverpool for example, is there any games last year that using 5 subs would have changed the game? In the league they never lost. so for City and Liverpool I can't see much of a difference.
I actually think it will help teams play players that are looking some game time who are getting back from injury and there is less pressure to keep them on for too long and cause longer issues with injuries, being able to bring more subs on will increase the internal competitiveness when team selection is being made with fringe players getting more opportunities to get time on the pitch
You've completely missed the point MR2
I don't see it as a problem, and can't see how City will get 100 points just because they can, is my point.
I've listed that City could use 5 subs in the CL and it made no difference, in fact using the 5 subs and taking off the better players could be argued that it caused them to lose..
I know the rule is coming into the PL I think for a lot of clubs it is a good thing, again, you don't have to use them.
You've missed the point I was making. Real Madrid have a world class squad, more than capable of replacing like for like after 65 to 70 minutes. Southamption, Crystal Palace and to a lesser extent West Ham played out of their skins to get a point against City, in the same way Brentford and Brighton did the same getting a point from Liverpool.
Those teams wouldn't have more than a few players that could compete for a top 4 squad place. Imagine all the hard work to then see five genuinely world class players coming off the bench throughout the second half. All those results I mentioned above would have been City and Liverpool wins with the 5 sub rule.
City will spend big to have 18 world class players available every game and over the course of 90 plus minutes will beat the vast majority of teams from 5th down twice as teams get tired and then have to hold on against fresh world class players. They'll achieve 100 points or very close to it with the new substitute rule.
5 subs also helps the lower quality teams who put in big efforts against the top teams running around a lot, tackling, pressing putting in a big effort for 60 or 70 minutes can then bring in 5 pairs of fresh legs to close out the game. You don't have to be a high quality player to put in a big physical effort.
City had a smaller squad this season than Liverpool and Chelsea. A list of first team senior players was doing the rounds a few months ago and City had 18 compared to 22 and 23 at the other clubs
They lost Mendy and Torres from that squad and still won the league.
I'd expect them to add a left back and midfielder to replace Fernandinho as well as Haaland so really hard to see them not winning it again next year when they've won the last two without an actual striker
Also Guardiola actually doesn't make that many subs. In a few games he didn't win this year he was criticised for not bringing anyone on to change things. The 5 sub thing won't change much
Quote from: maldini on June 02, 2022, 11:46:14 PM
City had a smaller squad this season than Liverpool and Chelsea. A list of first team senior players was doing the rounds a few months ago and City had 18 compared to 22 and 23 at the other clubs
They lost Mendy and Torres from that squad and still won the league.
I'd expect them to add a left back and midfielder to replace Fernandinho as well as Haaland so really hard to see them not winning it again next year when they've won the last two without an actual striker
Also Guardiola actually doesn't make that many subs. In a few games he didn't win this year he was criticised for not bringing anyone on to change things. The 5 sub thing won't change much
I may be picking you up wrong, but surely that can't be true. Are you saying they only had 16 players? 3 of them would be goalkeepers
City had 17 outfield players with Liverpool and Chelsea 22
All teams had 3 goalkeepers
Quote from: maldini on June 03, 2022, 07:32:30 AM
City had 17 outfield players with Liverpool and Chelsea 22
All teams had 3 goalkeepers
Can't be right sure Liverpool are minnows agains the might of the Saudi regime...
Quote from: maldini on June 03, 2022, 07:32:30 AM
City had 17 outfield players with Liverpool and Chelsea 22
All teams had 3 goalkeepers
23 outfield Manchester City players featured in the Premier league this season, 25 altogether by including the two goalkeepers, Chelsea the same numbers and Liverpool 24 outfield players featured plus two keepers 26.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 03, 2022, 01:16:41 PM
Quote from: maldini on June 03, 2022, 07:32:30 AM
City had 17 outfield players with Liverpool and Chelsea 22
All teams had 3 goalkeepers
23 outfield Manchester City players featured in the Premier league this season, 25 altogether by including the two goalkeepers, Chelsea the same numbers and Liverpool 24 outfield players featured plus two keepers 26.
Interesting. I had a look at the Man City squad and couldn't think of more than 17 who played. Did some players get just a few minutes somewhere?
'A Premier League and international player arrested in north London'
Who's this then?
A very injury prone gunner maybe.
Quote from: nrico2006 on July 05, 2022, 06:52:32 PM
A very injury prone gunner maybe.
Must be late to the Partey.....
Has he not been pictured in training since then?
Ben davies was gettin a touch, so much so he had to post pics of himself....on his honeymoon...
Quote from: quit yo jibbajabba on July 05, 2022, 07:56:46 PM
Has he not been pictured in training since then?
Ben davies was gettin a touch, so much so he had to post pics of himself....on his honeymoon...
He was pictured in training on Monday and apparently flew to Germany with the team on Pre-Season.
Xhaka is in Dubai, Davies is on Honeymoon.. Son is in Korea and then Lucas from Spurs hasn't been mentioned when he fits the profile
Don't think Partey ended up going to Germany.
Came into bump this one and say Partey having a bad old eve on twitter. Then saw what last post was.....seems he was the boyo in question after all..
Allegedly. Dont sue im poor
No interest in this game it seems
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 30, 2022, 05:02:17 PM
No interest in this game it seems
Everyone is waiting for the Premier League 2022-23 thread.
If Grealish is still at city next season I'll eat my hat! Overrated