Tyrone v Dublin - The return of the Jedi

[Hereiam]

So Tyrone now know where they stand after Sundays master class by Dublin and i do feel it will take new management to freshen things up. What did MH do different to the Tyrone setup to play against the dubs, absoulutly nothing everyone could see how Dublin were going to play, they run the flanks and then cut inside and the ball is over the bar or the back of the net. Tyrone management would have studied the videos of Dublin so they knew this was going to happen and they let the Dubs do it anyway. This alone show Mickey Hartes thinking , it shows that he was completely reliant on the 14/15 men behind the ball which can overwhelm the weaker teams but that would not have won against Kerry or Mayo to be honest.
I think the players did not believe in the system they were being asked to play against the dubs  and when the first goal went in they knew it was over, i even noticed when the players where walking in the parade alot of the Tyrone fella's where looking into the ground, instead of having the head held high like the Dublin players were doing.
It was a terrible match to watch, to see Dublin come out with the ball to Tyrones 45 with hardly a hand laid on them was the writing on the wall.
On a separate note why were they taking the lids of the bottles when you bought them in the shop inside the grounds.

[seafoid]

Surely the thread should be called the empire strikes back

[armaghniac]

On a separate note why were they taking the lids of the bottles when you bought them in the shop inside the grounds.

It is like the airport, you can buy water in the airport but the bottle you bring in might not be water at all.

Surely the thread should be called the empire strikes back

Hang out those jacks

[Dire Ear]

The bottle tops were removed to lessen the chance of the bottles being used as weapons.....guessing

[seafoid]

On a separate note why were they taking the lids of the bottles when you bought them in the shop inside the grounds.

It is like the airport, you can buy water in the airport but the bottle you bring in might not be water at all.

Surely the thread should be called the empire strikes back

Hang out those jacks

Class

[seafoid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPhHl2DpD4E

Up Mayo

[rrhf]

Superb from the Dubs tbf, they're one of the all time great teams. So much talent at their disposal, there's hardly any weaknesses at all (lack of proven cover for Cluxton maybe?)

Tough day for Tyrone team, mgmt and supporters. If Harte goes, it would be a sad end to a great career. It does seem like a complete change of direction may be needed though. For those on here dancing on Tyrone's grave, they might be better off looking at the setups in their own counties.

Appreciated and noted!

[The Hill is Blue]

On a separate note why were they taking the lids of the bottles when you bought them in the shop inside the grounds.

It is like the airport, you can buy water in the airport but the bottle you bring in might not be water at all.

Surely the thread should be called the empire strikes back

Hang out those jacks

Class

I'd guess that there weren't too many Dubs in the Connaught Rangers.

[Dire Ear]

After Sunday, we have nothing to shout about---an embarrassing performance , no character , fight or pride shown.  From the upper stand it was plain to see the problems;  obviously it couldn't be seen on the side-line

[Keyser soze]

The disparity in conditioning  and mobility of the 2 teams reminded me of some of international rules matches of yesteryear where the gap between amateur fitness levels and professional sports levels were a yawning chasm.

[yellowcard]

The disparity in conditioning  and mobility of the 2 teams reminded me of some of international rules matches of yesteryear where the gap between amateur fitness levels and professional sports levels were a yawning chasm.

If Tyrone are looking towards conditioning as the primary reason for defeat then they are totally wrong. Players drifting around aimlessly marking zonally not sure of their rules and not enough individual responsibility cast onto players was the main reason for their passiveness and lack of aggression. Dublin boxed clever by avoiding physical contact when in possession where possible and Tyrone became increasingly demoralised and impatient after several long spells of Dublin possession. It is also a style of football that gives supporters nothing to get off their seats about since it is glorified sevens football with no risk attached. The main battle in that contest was won on the sideline tactically by Jim Gavin who had possibly his finest hour as Dublin manager and employed the correct tactics on the day. Tyrone have no flexibility to change tactics and it showed on Sunday.   

[seafoid]

Tyrone were a mediocre machine. The gulf between the top few and the rest papered over the deficiencies but "Cropark" in August has no hiding places.

https://youtu.be/bWXazVhlyxQ

[shantygael]

On a separate note why were they taking the lids of the bottles when you bought them in the shop inside the grounds.

It is like the airport, you can buy water in the airport but the bottle you bring in might not be water at all.

Surely the thread should be called the empire strikes back

Hang out those jacks

You still have plenty of those flags in your own county.

[armaghniac]

I don't think the streets of Cross' were ever decorated in that manner.

[sid waddell]

Having 14 men behind the ball in itself wasn't Tyrone's problem. Dublin regularly had 15 behind the ball, and this is not just something they introduced in this match, it's something they've been doing regularly against the other top 2 or 3 counties over the last couple of years.

Tyrone's problem was an accumulation of loads of things.

Poor in-game decision making. McNamee committed himself against O'Callaghan for the goal and was roasted.

Lack of responsibility being taken. A lot of their players seemed to really go into their shell after the early goal. Maybe the occasion and the lack of experience some of them have of a full Croke Park got to some of them. The noise before throw in was probably louder than I've ever heard it even in any All-Ireland semi-final involving Dublin.

The very poor speed of transition from defence to attack. With 15 men behind the ball, Dublin were able to break at lightning speed. Tyrone's transitions were like a car ferry turning around.

Lack of width and constantly attempting to attack down a bottled up central channel. This resulted either in turnovers or in players having to turn back with the ball and slow things down, thus meaning Tyrone's attacking game became very predictable.

Lack of good support running. Tyrone players were so often isolated.

Inferior basic skills in handling, kicking and tackling terms.

Dublin destroyed Tyrone's kickout. James McCarthy was knocking balls down and hoovering up breaks for fun.

Dublin are better conditioned. You only have to look at the respective players' running styles to see this. Dublin players all bounce off the turf like 400 metre runners. Tyrone have pace over long distances and straight lines but they don't have the short run pace or turning ability that Dublin have.

So, a lot to think about for Tyrone going forward. Most of those problems can be addressed to some degree, but an infusion of 4 or 5 new players really is needed.

The Super 8 system will suit them next year. They'll have much better match practice going into an All-Ireland semi-final than they had had this year.