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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2017, 08:18:33 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

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« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2017, 08:46:50 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2017, 08:49:41 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).

The fact that Dublin and Ulster counties (bar Cavan) don't take part in Junior waters that fact down.

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2017, 09:50:49 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).

The fact that Dublin and Ulster counties (bar Cavan) don't take part in Junior waters that fact down.

When they participated, Dublin also benefited from the junior championship from a development point of view.  They won it in 2008 with the likes of Jonny Cooper, Denis Bastick, Eoghan O’Gara, Mick Fitzsimons and Darren Daly lining out.  Dean Rock is another current senior player who came in via the juniors.

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2017, 02:00:24 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).
If it excluded the club teams that compete in the Kerry senior club championship, and not the Bishop Moynihan one with 8 clubs and all the regional sides, it would be a fairer setup.

As it stands it makes Kerry a stronger proposition than any of the other counties that don't pick from their senior championship clubs.

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« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2017, 06:56:41 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.
It might suggest that Mayo should adopt a similar format for the club championship, not for the purpose of entering a stronger junior inter-county team but simply on the basis that imagining that we have 16 clubs of senior standard is proving near impossible to defend.
Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).
If it excluded the club teams that compete in the Kerry senior club championship, and not the Bishop Moynihan one with 8 clubs and all the regional sides, it would be a fairer setup.

As it stands it makes Kerry a stronger proposition than any of the other counties that don't pick from their senior championship clubs.

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2017, 08:17:02 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).
If it excluded the club teams that compete in the Kerry senior club championship, and not the Bishop Moynihan one with 8 clubs and all the regional sides, it would be a fairer setup.

As it stands it makes Kerry a stronger proposition than any of the other counties that don't pick from their senior championship clubs.

It might suggest that Mayo should adopt a similar format for the club championship, not for the purpose of entering a stronger junior inter-county team but simply on the basis that imagining that we have 16 clubs of senior standard is proving near impossible to defend.

There are way to many Senior teams in Mayo and not enough in the Junior grade! It's a snobbery thing!

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2017, 08:23:57 PM »
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.

Senior

Breaffy
Garrymore,
Castlebar Mitchels
Aghamore, 
Kiltane
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Ballina Stephenites

Intermediate

Davitts 
Ballyhaunis 
Ballaghaderreen 
Claremorris 
Crossmolina Deel Rovers 
Ballinrobe
Charlestown Sarsfields 
Shrule/Glencorrib 
Bohola Moy Davitts 
Béal an Mhuirthead 
Westport 
Kiltimagh 
Hollymount-Carramore 
Burrishoole 
The Neale 
Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin 

 
Junior

Mayo Gaels 
Cill Chomáin 
Swinford 
Tuar Mhic Éadaigh 
Castlebar Mitchels  B
Bonniconlon 
Kilmaine 
Islandeady 
Ardagh
Ballintubber B
Killala
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Achill
Louisburgh
Ardnaree Sarsfields
Ballina Stephenites B

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2017, 09:06:40 PM »
The Kerry Junior team is made up only of players who are not playing senior at club level, and it has provided an additional development pathway with several players such as Tadhg Morley and Anthony Maher graduating to the senior panel.

That's every club in Kerry they can pick from bar the 8 Senior teams.

Most of the teams in the competition can pick any player in the county bar anyone who has played with the county seniors this year or last.

The only counties the senior club thing applies to are Kerry, Cork, Mayo, Galway and Meath (and Dublin when they used to take part).

The fact that Dublin and Ulster counties (bar Cavan) don't take part in Junior waters that fact down.

Cavan didn't enter this year. Well they entered but conceded the game which is sort of the same.

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2017, 12:20:35 AM »
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.

Senior

Breaffy
Garrymore,
Castlebar Mitchels
Aghamore, 
Kiltane
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Ballina Stephenites

Intermediate

Davitts 
Ballyhaunis 
Ballaghaderreen 
Claremorris 
Crossmolina Deel Rovers 
Ballinrobe
Charlestown Sarsfields 
Shrule/Glencorrib 
Bohola Moy Davitts 
Béal an Mhuirthead 
Westport 
Kiltimagh 
Hollymount-Carramore 
Burrishoole 
The Neale 
Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin 

 
Junior

Mayo Gaels 
Cill Chomáin 
Swinford 
Tuar Mhic Éadaigh 
Castlebar Mitchels  B
Bonniconlon 
Kilmaine 
Islandeady 
Ardagh
Ballintubber B
Killala
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Achill
Louisburgh
Ardnaree Sarsfields
Ballina Stephenites B
Can we play?

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #40 on: August 09, 2017, 12:28:13 AM »
Sorry How could I have forgotten our near neighbours up the road. :P

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #41 on: August 09, 2017, 04:06:14 PM »
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.

Senior

Breaffy
Garrymore,
Castlebar Mitchels
Aghamore, 
Kiltane
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Ballina Stephenites

Intermediate

Davitts 
Ballyhaunis 
Ballaghaderreen 
Claremorris 
Crossmolina Deel Rovers 
Ballinrobe
Charlestown Sarsfields 
Shrule/Glencorrib 
Bohola Moy Davitts 
Béal an Mhuirthead 
Westport 
Kiltimagh 
Hollymount-Carramore 
Burrishoole 
The Neale 
Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin 

 
Junior

Mayo Gaels 
Cill Chomáin 
Swinford 
Tuar Mhic Éadaigh 
Castlebar Mitchels  B
Bonniconlon 
Kilmaine 
Islandeady 
Ardagh
Ballintubber B
Killala
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Achill
Louisburgh
Ardnaree Sarsfields
Ballina Stephenites B
While I might disagree about the make up of the top 8 clubs, does it not give a more realistic picture of where clubs are at. You could have eight or more regional teams which would allow players from small rural and urban clubs show what they can do with good support and good opposition. 

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #42 on: August 09, 2017, 06:41:15 PM »
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.


If Mayo had any sense they would adopt this structure immediately.

You would have more competitive games, which ultimately is what improves players, instead of the current system with the groups, where you often have mismatches or dead-rubbers.

Both the Meath and Cork senior county championship could do with relegating a chunk of teams from the senior championship from what I've seen of them as well.

 


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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #43 on: August 10, 2017, 09:43:25 AM »
Just looking at it if our Championship was the same layout as the Kerry Model. Intermediate and Junior Championship would be of a crazy standard.

Senior

Breaffy
Garrymore,
Castlebar Mitchels
Aghamore, 
Kiltane
Knockmore
Ballintubber
Ballina Stephenites

Intermediate

Davitts 
Ballyhaunis 
Ballaghaderreen 
Claremorris 
Crossmolina Deel Rovers 
Ballinrobe
Charlestown Sarsfields 
Shrule/Glencorrib 
Bohola Moy Davitts 
Béal an Mhuirthead 
Westport 
Kiltimagh 
Hollymount-Carramore 
Burrishoole 
The Neale 
Parke/Keelogues/Crimlin 

 
Junior

Mayo Gaels 
Cill Chomáin 
Swinford 
Tuar Mhic Éadaigh 
Castlebar Mitchels  B
Bonniconlon 
Kilmaine 
Islandeady 
Ardagh
Ballintubber B
Killala
Crossmolina Deel Rovers B
Achill
Louisburgh
Ardnaree Sarsfields
Ballina Stephenites B
While I might disagree about the make up of the top 8 clubs, does it not give a more realistic picture of where clubs are at. You could have eight or more regional teams which would allow players from small rural and urban clubs show what they can do with good support and good opposition.

We had four divisional teams in it around 8-9 (?) years ago and they never did any good - not sure if that was lack of interest / organisation / tradition or whatever but they were definitely an easy touch

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Re: All-Ireland Junior Football Championship 2017
« Reply #44 on: August 10, 2017, 09:54:46 AM »
I'd imagine divisional/amalgamation sides would need a good while to bed into the consciousness and gain their own identity. Too often it feels like a 'thrown together' team and they don't have any real affinity for each other.

In Kerry that sense of place is helped by Geography. Especially in places like South and West Kerry, which are on peninsulas and have one main town where people congregate for socialising etc. There is definitely a sense of identity in South Kerry, and that helps them when they come together.

I think in Tipperary the divisional championships and the fact that most people would have played with North Tipperary at divisional level, it could probably work there too.

In Offaly, I'm less sure. There's a nominal 'North' and 'South' Offaly, but there's no real identity with either. North Offaly is primarily football, South Offaly hurling, but Ferbane is more football, and would be technically south Offaly. Although they seem to be calling it West Offaly now to differentiate from the hurlers :)