It's a different game to 20 years ago.
Quite well described by this imo :
Quote from: bigloudmouth on August 09, 2017, 11:45:55 PM
"Guaranteed borefest - both teams will defend deep when not in possession, walk the ball to halfway after it has been kicked wide, hand pass or kick short ad nausea as they probe for space - dubs 2 minute soccer style build up to McCarthys point - and repeat over and over with occasional turnovers leading to brief instances of high intensity play - very brief!!"
Would it not make sense to run the ball from the goal line instead of pretending that it is still gaelic football ?
It's called football, Des. But it isn't really football
Thr quote doesn't make sense considering tyrone have went long for the most part this year.
After a goal could start again with throw up but not after every wide or point. How much time would be wasted bringing ball back to middle and players getting back into position.
In thought the OP meant starting the match and re-starting after half time with a kick-out, which I think would be a good idea now that we have the mark. The throw-up is often a shambles that results in a wrestling match.
I like the mark. Didnt think it would work at first but it has certainly speeded up the game from long kickouts. Within a few seconds you can move the ball from goalkeeper to forward line.
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 10, 2017, 12:42:43 PM
I like the mark. Didnt think it would work at first but it has certainly speeded up the game from long kickouts. Within a few seconds you can move the ball from goalkeeper to forward line.
Was totally against the mark. Glad to be proven wrong. Encourages some level of long kick outswhich in turn encourages high fielding or athletic catches.
While we're at it, hurling should be started/restarted after half time with a puck out. There's no skill, value or spectator appeal in the beating-about-the-ankles method currently in use.
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
While we're at it, hurling should be started/restarted after half time with a puck out. There's no skill, value or spectator appeal in the beating-about-the-ankles method currently in use.
That was tried in the past and wasn't taken up. There's nothing wrong with the throw in ball in hurling.
Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
While we're at it, hurling should be started/restarted after half time with a puck out. There's no skill, value or spectator appeal in the beating-about-the-ankles method currently in use.
That was tried in the past and wasn't taken up. There's nothing wrong with the throw in ball in hurling.
Ah there is, I think. There's not much skill, entertaining competition or spectacle involved and often it's the stage for a bit of letting your opponent know you're there type stuff. Let's put it this way, when Eamonnca1 was putting together his excellent video showcase for hurling, he didn't choose to include the
beating-about-the-ankles throw in, any more than the ten-man bent-over poking and pawing sessions that often develop in a scuffle for possession when the ball is on the ground.
How could you ask for a better start than a 90-metre puck out with the opportinity for a spectacular catch, turn and score?
Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
While we're at it, hurling should be started/restarted after half time with a puck out. There's no skill, value or spectator appeal in the beating-about-the-ankles method currently in use.
That was tried in the past and wasn't taken up. There's nothing wrong with the throw in ball in hurling.
+1
Absolutely no need for a change here. There may not be much skill but there's certainly competition and spectacle.
There's a video on youtube of the throw in of the 1998 Munster final replay. For something that's apparently not entertaining, it's managed to rack up 60-odd thousand views.
OK, I was wrong. There's huge spectacle and spectator value. You have to go back a mere twenty years to find the last entertaining throw-in.
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
OK, I was wrong. There's huge spectacle and spectator value. You have to go back a mere twenty years to find the last entertaining throw-in.
Yeah, whatever. ::)
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
OK, I was wrong. There's huge spectacle and spectator value. You have to go back a mere twenty years to find the last entertaining throw-in.
20? 19 years is sufficient! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv3RkdIE1so)
/Jim
Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on August 10, 2017, 04:28:47 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
OK, I was wrong. There's huge spectacle and spectator value. You have to go back a mere twenty years to find the last entertaining throw-in.
20? 19 years is sufficient! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv3RkdIE1so)
/Jim
Classic!! Fecking footballers would want to make hurling boring just to make the football look half interesting :)
Quote from: Franko on August 10, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
While we're at it, hurling should be started/restarted after half time with a puck out. There's no skill, value or spectator appeal in the beating-about-the-ankles method currently in use.
That was tried in the past and wasn't taken up. There's nothing wrong with the throw in ball in hurling.
+1
Absolutely no need for a change here. There may not be much skill but there's certainly competition and spectacle.
There's a video on youtube of the throw in of the 1998 Munster final replay. For something that's apparently not entertaining, it's managed to rack up 60-odd thousand views.
Football fans remember Hurling is perfect no need for any changes at any time . there no defensive tactics no cynicism and no sweepers no black cards needed and no new counties need apply,
now feck off back to your bogball
They actually put the starting the games by puckouts rule on trial in direct response to the Colin Lynch massacre of 1998.
Quote from: rosnarun on August 14, 2017, 11:15:49 AM
Quote from: Franko on August 10, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
Quote from: johnneycool on August 10, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 10, 2017, 12:58:12 PM
While we're at it, hurling should be started/restarted after half time with a puck out. There's no skill, value or spectator appeal in the beating-about-the-ankles method currently in use.
That was tried in the past and wasn't taken up. There's nothing wrong with the throw in ball in hurling.
+1
Absolutely no need for a change here. There may not be much skill but there's certainly competition and spectacle.
There's a video on youtube of the throw in of the 1998 Munster final replay. For something that's apparently not entertaining, it's managed to rack up 60-odd thousand views.
Football fans remember Hurling is perfect no need for any changes at any time . there no defensive tactics no cynicism and no sweepers no black cards needed and no new counties need apply,
now feck off back to your bogball
Indeed, it's not our fault it's not broke. No matter how some would wish it so.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 14, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
They actually put the starting the games by puckouts rule on trial in direct response to the Colin Lynch massacre of 1998.
I didn't know/remember that. Do you remember the outcome - why it wasn't adopted? I can't imagine why they concluded that the ugly spectacle of the throw-in was preferable to a puck out and contest in the air for possession.
there no defensive tactics no cynicism and no sweepers no black cards needed and no new counties need apply,
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Waterford disagree
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 14, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
They actually put the starting the games by puckouts rule on trial in direct response to the Colin Lynch massacre of 1998.
I didn't know/remember that. Do you remember the outcome - why it wasn't adopted? I can't imagine why they concluded that the ugly spectacle of the throw-in was preferable to a puck out and contest in the air for possession.
Maybe they concluded that that your opinion is wrong (heaven forbid they disagree with Meath's premier, all seeing, fountain of knowledge) and that it's actually NOT an ugly spectacle after all!
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 14, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
They actually put the starting the games by puckouts rule on trial in direct response to the Colin Lynch massacre of 1998.
I didn't know/remember that. Do you remember the outcome - why it wasn't adopted? I can't imagine why they concluded that the ugly spectacle of the throw-in was preferable to a puck out and contest in the air for possession.
Yes, it was brought in for the league in 2000. The article is from 2000 and not 2007 as the time stamp suggests. https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2000/0124/147471-gaa2/
If I recall, people found it a sterile way to start a game. They enjoy the theatre of the throw in. It wouldn't be the Munster Championship without a bit of WWE stuff at throw-in.
What people might not remember is that the Lynch incident was made worse by the actions of the ref Willie Barrett. The midfield players were wound up like loonies ready for him to throw in the ball. Then Barrett spots some bit of argy-bargy out at wing forward, he starts marching over towards there to dish out a lecture. Think about the times you had the dog primed to go for a walk. He's whimpering/barking and dancing on the spot. And then you delay for some reason and he goes bananas.
By the time Barrett got back to throw in the ball, the pot had well and truly boiled over.
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 14, 2017, 04:22:42 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 14, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
They actually put the starting the games by puckouts rule on trial in direct response to the Colin Lynch massacre of 1998.
I didn't know/remember that. Do you remember the outcome - why it wasn't adopted? I can't imagine why they concluded that the ugly spectacle of the throw-in was preferable to a puck out and contest in the air for possession.
Yes, it was brought in for the league in 2000. The article is from 2000 and not 2007 as the time stamp suggests. https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2000/0124/147471-gaa2/
If I recall, people found it a sterile way to start a game. They enjoy the theatre of the throw in. It wouldn't be the Munster Championship without a bit of WWE stuff at throw-in.
What people might not remember is that the Lynch incident was made worse by the actions of the ref Willie Barrett. The midfield players were wound up like loonies ready for him to throw in the ball. Then Barrett spots some bit of argy-bargy out at wing forward, he starts marching over towards there to dish out a lecture. Think about the times you had the dog primed to go for a walk. He's whimpering/barking and dancing on the spot. And then you delay for some reason and he goes bananas.
By the time Barrett got back to throw in the ball, the pot had well and truly boiled over.
Dare I suggest, but would that be anything to do with the "competition and spectacle" element of it?
Quote from: Franko on August 14, 2017, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 14, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
They actually put the starting the games by puckouts rule on trial in direct response to the Colin Lynch massacre of 1998.
I didn't know/remember that. Do you remember the outcome - why it wasn't adopted? I can't imagine why they concluded that the ugly spectacle of the throw-in was preferable to a puck out and contest in the air for possession.
Maybe they concluded that that your opinion is wrong (heaven forbid they disagree with Meath's premier, all seeing, fountain of knowledge) and that it's actually NOT an ugly spectacle after all!
Maybe you should lie down for a while.
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2017, 05:19:55 PM
Quote from: Franko on August 14, 2017, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: Hardy on August 14, 2017, 02:14:54 PM
Quote from: Bord na Mona man on August 14, 2017, 12:42:00 PM
They actually put the starting the games by puckouts rule on trial in direct response to the Colin Lynch massacre of 1998.
I didn't know/remember that. Do you remember the outcome - why it wasn't adopted? I can't imagine why they concluded that the ugly spectacle of the throw-in was preferable to a puck out and contest in the air for possession.
Maybe they concluded that that your opinion is wrong (heaven forbid they disagree with Meath's premier, all seeing, fountain of knowledge) and that it's actually NOT an ugly spectacle after all!
Maybe you should lie down for a while.
Maybe I could ask a few inter county footballers to show me how best to do that.