Antrim Football Thread

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Milltown Row2

Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2017, 10:30:38 PM
His point was in reference to you saying Sligo are better than Antrim. Your next move could have been "Sligo didn't get relegated to Div 4".

And this could continue on.....

Or it could stop, I suppose.

To bring all points together here. Nobody expected Antrim to beat Donegal, indeed, Antrim were never going to beat Donegal. The problem some have is that the way we went about the game, we never gave ourselves a chance (even had we been the luckiest lucksters in the world). The frustration of these same people hasn't come solely from yesterday's game. We have had 3 years of the same. Hasn't worked, isn't working, never will work. Even against teams of a much lesser calibre than Donegal. Yet, we persist....and then we try the same again...then we go back to the drawing board and we trace the outline of the previous plan....and we lose.....again.

At least, I think that's their point.

Right we don't have the personnel to beat Donegal, a team that has won All Ireland recently or the players that don't commit to helping the cause... but it's the managements fault? Or players fault? What manager out there could improve on that performance or players that want to commit would make a difference ?

We need a long term plan with the proper structures in place to support it... until then we'll continue to get same results
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

BrendanAntrim



Ah right so by beating Sligo in the league we should have beaten Donegal?
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Eh..no, just picking up on your assertion that Sligo are better than Antrim. We beat them in the league a few weeks ago. So I sort of take that as evidence that they are not better than us. Crazy huh?

Milltown Row2

Quote from: BrendanAntrim on May 22, 2017, 10:52:54 PM


Ah right so by beating Sligo in the league we should have beaten Donegal?

Eh..no, just picking up on your assertion that Sligo are better than Antrim. We beat them in the league a few weeks ago. So I sort of take that as evidence that they are not better than us. Crazy huh?
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Brendan here's something even more crazy, Sligo are still a div 3 team and Antrim isn't.. now I don't know if you know how the league finished up so I'll post it below

https://www.rte.ie/sport/results/gaa/2017/6098/tables/

It shows that in the league Sligo has more points than Antrim so unless I'm mistaken Sligo are a better team than us...

No one addressing the problem here, just continue with the blaming cause hey that's easy
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BrendanAntrim

I haven't blamed anybody.

Milltown Row2

Quote from: BrendanAntrim on May 22, 2017, 11:09:02 PM
I haven't blamed anybody.

I didn't say you did, but it creeps in on most posters here...
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Gold

Bickering will get us nowhere

How we dropped the heads and downed tools when they got ahead was sickening. Complete lack of pride

Awful and embarrassing. The  2 managers have tried and dont have what others do do work with but it is not out of line to question are they the sharpest.

In life you need to be careful what you wish for...Baker was what we needed....took no crap and instilled a bit of pride in us. Id take him back a 3rd time. People wanted rid of him as they now do Wenger and did Mickey Harte last year.

Im rambling here but its still very raw...i love Antrim and dont like deffering to anyone, whether its Donegal or Kerry. We are have 2 arms, 2legs and pair of balls. Its time we stopped doffing the cap and f**king change the record as the minors did
"Cheeky Charlie McKenna..."

Na Glinntí Glasa

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2017, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on May 22, 2017, 10:30:38 PM
His point was in reference to you saying Sligo are better than Antrim. Your next move could have been "Sligo didn't get relegated to Div 4".

And this could continue on.....

Or it could stop, I suppose.

To bring all points together here. Nobody expected Antrim to beat Donegal, indeed, Antrim were never going to beat Donegal. The problem some have is that the way we went about the game, we never gave ourselves a chance (even had we been the luckiest lucksters in the world). The frustration of these same people hasn't come solely from yesterday's game. We have had 3 years of the same. Hasn't worked, isn't working, never will work. Even against teams of a much lesser calibre than Donegal. Yet, we persist....and then we try the same again...then we go back to the drawing board and we trace the outline of the previous plan....and we lose.....again.

At least, I think that's their point.

Right we don't have the personnel to beat Donegal, a team that has won All Ireland recently or the players that don't commit to helping the cause... but it's the managements fault? Or players fault? What manager out there could improve on that performance or players that want to commit would make a difference ?

We need a long term plan with the proper structures in place to support it... until then we'll continue to get same results

absolutely agree MR2. we dont have the structures in place that other counties do in terms of youth development, coaching etc. were relying each year on the clubs to do all of the hard work and then in many cases reluctantly send them to the county. the development squads need their time over the years to get the lads up to the same standard as the rest of ulster. We have a decent minor side, but thats all it is. One good squad at the moment. we cant rest on that group, we need another one next year and the year after that.

we need to be producing good minor squads every year and thats done through coaching, youth development, investment into the county and the development squads. we need a long term strategy as MR2 says and it needs to be something with realistic aims and targets.

hurl like f**k boi!

Spike

#12862
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2017, 07:41:17 PM
Talking about other players not on the senior team is daft.... that's the squad that committed to staying the distance... whether there are better players not playing county is irrelevant as they didn't commit for whatever reason..

To use a soccer view... it's like Chelsea playing York city... minors playing well and winning one match won't fix it, changing managers every 3 years won't fix it either. Getting a state of the art county ground won't also....

back to basics with kids and schools.... proper coaching at clubs and schools with a plan to bring competitive games at all levels within all areas schools/colleges/clubs.... getting all the clubs coaches and schools to row in behind this is the first problem...

If we continue to do the same thing we'll continue to get the same results... keep bashing the people who put their names forward for managing then we won't get anyone half decent to take it on

Are you an apologist for the management or something?? You cannot defend their tactics, team selection or game management on this occasion, you simply cant. This isn't Chelsea vs York City - its Chelsea vs Sunderland - not expected to win but not expected to take such a hiding that the debate has been raised again about a two tier system  - that's how bad that defeat was!!!.

We've always said on here that the structures need to be in place (obvious) but here we are, years later and we have the same problem. Changing management is not ideal but, to borrow your analogy, we aren't talking about replacing an Alex Ferguson here. 3 years is enough for any man to make improvements - I think we can safely say we are deteriorating so time to get rid. That's the risk every manager of every football team in the country takes when he considers a job. People aren't putting their names forward due to the shoestring budget, lack of infrastructure, solid training base etc etc. Not because they get  a touch on here - Antrim must have one of the lowest expectation requirement of any job - all we ask is for improvement and seeing as we are at the bottom the only way is up!

Whats not attractive about the job?  No stadium, Belfast players don't enjoy travelling to Dunsilly, players have little pride in playing, best players don't want to play for the county, no money for top coaches, cant agree on a settled temporary county ground etc etc .......sure the advert writes itself!!

First stop is getting a man with a good intercounty CV. The hurlers were happy to recruit from Tipperary so whats stopping the footballers going further than a neighbouring county?? Time to throw the net  out a bit farther


Milltown Row2

Quote from: Spike on May 23, 2017, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 22, 2017, 07:41:17 PM
Talking about other players not on the senior team is daft.... that's the squad that committed to staying the distance... whether there are better players not playing county is irrelevant as they didn't commit for whatever reason..

To use a soccer view... it's like Chelsea playing York city... minors playing well and winning one match won't fix it, changing managers every 3 years won't fix it either. Getting a state of the art county ground won't also....

back to basics with kids and schools.... proper coaching at clubs and schools with a plan to bring competitive games at all levels within all areas schools/colleges/clubs.... getting all the clubs coaches and schools to row in behind this is the first problem...

If we continue to do the same thing we'll continue to get the same results... keep bashing the people who put their names forward for managing then we won't get anyone half decent to take it on

Are you an apologist for the management or something?? You cannot defend their tactics, team selection or game management on this occasion, you simply cant. This isn't Chelsea vs York City - its Chelsea vs Sunderland - not expected to win but not expected to take such a hiding that the debate has been raised again about a two tier system  - that's how bad that defeat was!!!.

We've always said on here that the structures need to be in place (obvious) but here we are, years later and we have the same problem. Changing management is not ideal but, to borrow your analogy, we aren't talking about replacing an Alex Ferguson here. 3 years is enough for any man to make improvements - I think we can safely say we are deteriorating so time to get rid. That's the risk every manager of every football team in the country takes when he considers a job. People aren't putting their names forward due to the shoestring budget, lack of infrastructure, solid training base etc etc. Not because they get  a touch on here - Antrim must have one of the lowest expectation requirement of any job - all we ask is for improvement and seeing as we are at the bottom the only way is up!

Whats not attractive about the job?  No stadium, Belfast players don't enjoy travelling to Dunsilly, players have little pride in playing, best players don't want to play for the county, no money for top coaches, cant agree on a settled temporary county ground etc etc .......sure the advert writes itself!!

First stop is getting a man with a good intercounty CV. The hurlers were happy to recruit from Tipperary so whats stopping the footballers going further than a neighbouring county?? Time to throw the net  out a bit farther

Im not an apologist for the management, they know managers are judge on results, and mainly the league results as thats our level or just above it...

Expecting to come within 10 points of a div 1 team isnt being real, dying with your boots and and emptied the tank is ... We didnt get the game plan right because once they sussed it out they (like most quality teams) they over ran us, won possesion and broke quickly up field where they had players that can punish you..

To be able to brink on Lacey McBearty and the like shows you the strength in depth they have... One minute Murphy is plucking the ball out of the sky in his own 6 yard box and then setting up a defence splitting pass ...

Yes no doubt the managers will step down and we'll bring in new ones and hey, we will get the same results because the players havent changed, still taking them from committed group
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

country bumpkin

We are undoubtedly dwelling in the basement in the country and indeed it would be difficult to envisage better times ahead until we answer the difficult questions truthfully.
Had we the best players in the county involved on Sunday...?
Just where were men like Mick Mc Cann, Justin Crozier, Niall Mc Keever, the Burke brothers, the Johnstons, and more than a few others who are certainly more than capable of still wearing the Saffron.
Aye right they removed themselves from the panel and nobody bothers to ask why......
We are a county which has no training facilities, and indeed one in which the senior team management are forced to organise fund raising events and are asked to pay for those players who had the cheek to eat steak on the road and make use of far too many shower caps....ffs.
Then we have the minor management asked to fund away 'challenge games' themselves and forced to dig into their own pockets on Sunday last to come up with payment for extra pre game breakfasts in Donegal.
We do have a duty of care for those young men/kids who can provide a better future but in my humble opinion and in more than a few others we have failed dismally.

I am most afraid that unless radical change of attitude in those who would lead us and a realization that they are of much lesser importance than those who will wear the Saffron jersey failure will continue as the diet

country bumpkin

Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: country bumpkin on May 23, 2017, 03:16:02 PM
We are undoubtedly dwelling in the basement in the country and indeed it would be difficult to envisage better times ahead until we answer the difficult questions truthfully.
Had we the best players in the county involved on Sunday...?
Just where were men like Mick Mc Cann, Justin Crozier, Niall Mc Keever, the Burke brothers, the Johnstons, and more than a few others who are certainly more than capable of still wearing the Saffron.
Aye right they removed themselves from the panel and nobody bothers to ask why......
We are a county which has no training facilities, and indeed one in which the senior team management are forced to organise fund raising events and are asked to pay for those players who had the cheek to eat steak on the road and make use of far too many shower caps....ffs.
Then we have the minor management asked to fund away 'challenge games' themselves and forced to dig into their own pockets on Sunday last to come up with payment for extra pre game breakfasts in Donegal.
We do have a duty of care for those young men/kids who can provide a better future but in my humble opinion and in more than a few others we have failed dismally.

I am most afraid that unless radical change of attitude in those who would lead us and a realization that they are of much lesser importance than those who will wear the Saffron jersey failure will continue as the diet

Were most of those guys not involved when Fermanagh hammered us in the last couple of years??

Hardly hammered on either occasion......the home side scored a penalty in the latter stages in 2015 to win 1-13 to 0-08 having played with against a 14 man Antrim for most of the game in 2015.
In 2016 Fermanagh won by five pts after a strong finish.....

And ur point is......?



Milltown Row2

Quote from: country bumpkin on May 23, 2017, 04:07:16 PM
Quote from: AQMP on May 23, 2017, 03:35:46 PM
Quote from: country bumpkin on May 23, 2017, 03:16:02 PM
We are undoubtedly dwelling in the basement in the country and indeed it would be difficult to envisage better times ahead until we answer the difficult questions truthfully.
Had we the best players in the county involved on Sunday...?
Just where were men like Mick Mc Cann, Justin Crozier, Niall Mc Keever, the Burke brothers, the Johnstons, and more than a few others who are certainly more than capable of still wearing the Saffron.
Aye right they removed themselves from the panel and nobody bothers to ask why......
We are a county which has no training facilities, and indeed one in which the senior team management are forced to organise fund raising events and are asked to pay for those players who had the cheek to eat steak on the road and make use of far too many shower caps....ffs.
Then we have the minor management asked to fund away 'challenge games' themselves and forced to dig into their own pockets on Sunday last to come up with payment for extra pre game breakfasts in Donegal.
We do have a duty of care for those young men/kids who can provide a better future but in my humble opinion and in more than a few others we have failed dismally.

I am most afraid that unless radical change of attitude in those who would lead us and a realization that they are of much lesser importance than those who will wear the Saffron jersey failure will continue as the diet

Were most of those guys not involved when Fermanagh hammered us in the last couple of years??

Hardly hammered on either occasion......the home side scored a penalty in the latter stages in 2015 to win 1-13 to 0-08 having played with against a 14 man Antrim for most of the game in 2015.
In 2016 Fermanagh won by five pts after a strong finish.....

And ur point is......?



Id say the point is we are still shite, even more shit to be beaten by a team that has a smaller group to pick from (I'd imagine) But if you think its the food the players are not getting then keep going
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

paddyjohn

#12867
We could stop paying refs aswell and not buy tracksuits for players or stop paying the county secretary a salary. Make them do it for nothing, really get back to the volunteer status of the association as money is so tight that we can't throw a 17 year old a breakfast or a senior player a post match dinner. Adopt Trumps saying, MAKE ANTRIM GREAT AGAIN! Make people work for us and that will increase the possibility of everybody fulfilling their potential. Build a wall and keep the Down, Derry & Tyrone clubs out of our leagues, have Antrim leagues for Antrim teams. Have Antrim managers only in charge of Antrim clubs, no outsiders, don't allow outside players from other counties to play for our clubs.

;) ;) ::)


Milltown Row2

Quote from: paddyjohn on May 23, 2017, 07:50:06 PM
We could stop paying refs aswell and not buy tracksuits for players or stop paying the county secretary a salary. Make them do it for nothing, really get back to the volunteer status of the association as money is so tight that we can't throw a 17 year old a breakfast or a senior player a post match dinner. Adopt Trumps saying, MAKE ANTRIM GREAT AGAIN! Make people work for us and that will increase the possibility of everybody fulfilling their potential. Build a wall and keep the Down, Derry & Tyrone clubs out of our leagues, have Antrim leagues for Antrim teams. Have Antrim managers only in charge of Antrim clubs, no outsiders, don't allow outside players from other counties to play for our clubs.

;) ;) ::)

Smashing idea. I think you should run for chairman as you have great qualities
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

paddyjohn

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 23, 2017, 08:00:15 PM
Quote from: paddyjohn on May 23, 2017, 07:50:06 PM
We could stop paying refs aswell and not buy tracksuits for players or stop paying the county secretary a salary. Make them do it for nothing, really get back to the volunteer status of the association as money is so tight that we can't throw a 17 year old a breakfast or a senior player a post match dinner. Adopt Trumps saying, MAKE ANTRIM GREAT AGAIN! Make people work for us and that will increase the possibility of everybody fulfilling their potential. Build a wall and keep the Down, Derry & Tyrone clubs out of our leagues, have Antrim leagues for Antrim teams. Have Antrim managers only in charge of Antrim clubs, no outsiders, don't allow outside players from other counties to play for our clubs.

;) ;) ::)

Smashing idea. I think you should run for chairman as you have great qualities

Opposites attract MR2! You, CB & I could be the next top brass.