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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: Today at 05:30:46 PM »
Look their score difference this year is better, so I wonder why is it that people are hung up on this? Utd are sitting well behind City, wont catch them, they are in 2 cup competitions and with City out of the FA cup they will at least give it a go, though both Chelsea and Spurs are big favs based on their attacking football qualities !

If its winning then Jose knows how to do that, his record speaks for itself.. flair only comes when Utd score early and the other team folds!

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: Today at 05:24:13 PM »
Was the girl questioned on how her top came to be off? It seems inconsistent with  “everything about me was saying no physically”. Would her top not have to have been ripped off in that case?

She's said that she took it off herself

That was nice of her

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: Today at 02:51:20 PM »
Listen it was 90 minutes of my life i wont get back.. but it served a purpose, stepping stone possibly to the next round, this wasnt a group match or a league game, knockout footballl where no one remembers the losers...

What do fans want? winners or losers who play with flair? Its a hard pill to swallow but Utd are not the team of yesterday! 

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: Today at 02:45:52 PM »
The other thought nagging at me is what possible motive would the girl have for going this far if she didn't genuinely believe she was raped. It's a very courageous thing to do.

Listen if she was raped its the only thing to do!

The other motives could have been she was pushed into it, or said something and it got legs and before she knows shes well over her head and beyond pulling back, or very possibly thinking there was a video (or she thought there was) of the incident and is completely embarrassedif it every comes out.

The only ones that know were there that night, being a father of two girls (young women now!)  I hope they never find themselves having to embark down that road..

The possibility of a video I don't think leads to the pronouncement of a rape, surely if it was consensual it would more likely expose you as a liar. Unless I suppose it is taken with your other point of a knee jerk reaction that got out of hand quickly before any thought was involved.

But you can imagine how that would come across if you are from a respectable family and a night of madness you are caught with your trousers down and someone video's you and it goes on youtube!! If you have a job that would be in the public eye or say a doctor or barrister you'd be pretty pissed off, plus it could ruin your chances of getting a job in said areas!

Of course what Ive put up is about any one of us, not just the this case.... So glad i lived in a time of normality, bombings, shootings, raids, hurling/football, and youth clubs!!

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: Today at 01:19:19 PM »
There’s no way a coloured man would be racist to another coloured man anyways!

Who's coloured?

Firmino isnt white and nor is Holgate, one is black and the other is brown

Is white not a colour now?

It is, but this was about being racist,  you know the story.. It was a brown coloured man who was blamed for being a racist to a black coloured man, not a white coloured man being racist to a black coloured man..

Unless there is a hierarchy in the colour of people. Does a Yellow colour man trump a black colour man?

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: Today at 01:07:59 PM »
Through all of this it seems M Seanie has been correct from the beginning about Maureen.

Players would have been attracted to Utd because of the way they used to play and that they are one of the biggest clubs in the world.
Nowadays if you go to Utd you will play stale, sterile football week in week out and you run the risk of getting slated in public by the manager or similar.

Manchester is blue for the forseeable future people

I think the EPL is blue for as long as Pepe stays

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: Today at 01:07:15 PM »
No surprises with that last night. Exactly what was expected. More of the same rubbish. Sometimes you have to be pragmatic and play conservatively but this was Sevilla, not Barcelona or Bayern or Real and this type of rubbish is now unfortunately the norm. 0-0 away in the first leg is a terribly dangerous score and especially for a team that score very few goals against decent opposition. I still think United will go through but with the players United have and the money that has been spent they should be taking out the likes of Sevilla. Contrast United's tactics to those of Spurs and Liverpool who I don't believe have better squads. The bottom line is Mourinho is not a Manchester United manager and never will be. He's a scrubber.

Delighted at the emergence of McTominay. He looks a real player and last night was probably the most pressure situation he was in and he has no problems.

I think United will go through but it could be a hairy evening.

Aye,
    but he's a stopper, a tackler and all that. The type of player Josie likes. He's not the most creative soul with the ball at his feet.


I think he's more than that to be honest. Maroon Manc will fill us on more on this but McTominay was a small midfield schemer like a Modric and suddenly grew 5 or 6 inches in a year. The technical ability is there.

Correction - he grew 10 inches in 2 years. From 5'6" to 6'4".

I was waiting on that happening to me but just stayed at 5'6  ;D

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: Today at 12:56:26 PM »
The other thought nagging at me is what possible motive would the girl have for going this far if she didn't genuinely believe she was raped. It's a very courageous thing to do.

Listen if she was raped its the only thing to do!

The other motives could have been she was pushed into it, or said something and it got legs and before she knows shes well over her head and beyond pulling back, or very possibly thinking there was a video (or she thought there was) of the incident and is completely embarrassedif it every comes out.

The only ones that know were there that night, being a father of two girls (young women now!)  I hope they never find themselves having to embark down that road..

 


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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: Today at 12:23:07 PM »
Juror unwell, no evidence today. Stand down lads

I'm sure he's away home to get some insight on the case from the Board!

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General discussion / Re: The ulster rugby trial
« on: Today at 11:59:46 AM »
sid, what about the doctor's statement that she told him she was raped twice, including once on her back?
This then changed to being forced to give Olding oral in her police statement, which I think will be read out today?
Finally, the witness account of Olding's hands by his side wouldn't tally with her being forced.

There seems to be inconsistencies all over the place, and the defence isn't clear yet. I know they are saying consensual, but as you said there appears to be inconsistencies there too.

It's very confusing. I don't envy the jury their job.

What the complainant said to Dr. Lavery about Olding vaginally raping her is in my view one of only two real cards the defence have to play. My understanding, although I'm open to correction on this, is that that was not part of her statement to police.

Rape victims can suffer from fragmented and imperfect memory and trauma, and the complainant's account to Dr. Lavery was only a matter of hours after the events when she would still have been in shock and likely heavily sleep-deprived.

Olding's hands are highly unlikely to have stayed still during the events and are likely to have moved several times between his side and the back of the complainant's head and likely elsewhere. Dara Florence saw what was happening for a matter of seconds so what she saw was effectively a snapshot in time of where Olding's hands were. It's easy to see how there could be confusion between the complainant's account of where Olding's hands were in that snapshot in time and Florence's. Given the complainant's account that she was effectively "frozen", Olding could easily have removed his hands for a time and the complainant's head might not have moved. Also, her turning her head away doesn't mean she wasn't still effectively frozen.

Jackson's semen not being found in the swab from her vagina, which we learned of yesterday, is also a plus for the defence, though it doesn't mean Jackson didn't insert his penis into her vagina.

This is only my personal theory, but I suspect Jackson, while he had intent, might not have had much lead in his pencil and that's why he resorted to digital penetration.

The amount of drink taken over that period, what 7pm through to 3am at least in the morning, had there been drugs taken also? Not sure on the last one but hey the young ones nowadays!! I'd say her memory and the rugby lads memories are slightly off..

This is coming down to her word against theirs.. and is that enough to convict?

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: Today at 11:55:24 AM »
But if all the kids were allowed to bring in their own guns we'd have less killings at these schools surely?

The kids will be next!!! Joke

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: Today at 09:30:25 AM »
He's played very well lately, if he can improve on that then he'll be a top player at Liverpool (until someone puts a bid in)

He's probably taken on more responsibility since yer man has left for Barca

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: Today at 09:07:06 AM »
There’s no way a coloured man would be racist to another coloured man anyways!

Who's coloured?

Firmino isnt white and nor is Holgate, one is black and the other is brown

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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL Liverpool FC thread
« on: Today at 07:50:55 AM »
There’s no way a coloured man would be racist to another coloured man anyways!

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General discussion / Re: Another School Shooting in America
« on: February 21, 2018, 09:44:26 PM »
So here some of us are all in favor of common sense gun control....extensive background checks, limits on the number and types of guns you can buy, limitis on the amount and caliber of ammunition you can buy, waiting periods, closing of gun show loop holes, mandatory insurance for gunowners, a gun registry etc etc

And what do the other side want.....a ban on all guns and a repeal of the second ammendment......no in between, no intermediate step......a flat out ban

And this my friends is why the pro gun people are unwilling to give an inch, because what the lefties really want is nothing less than a total ban and confiscation of every gun in the country.

But is it a bad thing to have (eventually) a total ban? Surely that makes sense to everyone? You don’t need a gun. I know hundreds of people who don’t have guns here!

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