The ulster rugby trial

[longballin]

A few macho texts doesn't mean they are guilty.

you think that was 'macho'? 

[spuds]

Surely get 100 pages out of this thread.

[sid waddell]

I find it very, ahem, "interesting" that so many men deny there is such a thing as rape culture.

[whitey]

The trial is over and your point is pointless!

Yes, the trial is over. Somebody should tell those protestors. Why don't they protest about something that would be beneficial to the country? The banks fcuk the place, cuts to everything, thousands homeless, hospitals under pressure, roads woeful. Why didn't they join the protest for legacy inquiries, where their fellow countrymen and women were murdered by British state collusion? Nowhere to be seen when it comes to any of that. Idiots.

I don't think the protests do any harm, and if it helps people vent their anger then all well and good. It might also remind people to do the right thing next time they're out on the pull.

Protests in the occupied six are a waste of time, unless they are about civil rights or about flegs on the city hall. The brits will continue to pay more per head to 6 county occupants than what brummies or scousers get. That is, until the english finally catch on.

But these protests indicate the men are to blame. Fact is, jury found them not guilty. Case closed. That's the end of it.

Is it maybe a case of over reach by the CPS? 

Could they have been charged with a lesser crime and therefore increase the  likelihood of a conviction.

[SLIGONIAN]

The trial is over and your point is pointless!

Yes, the trial is over. Somebody should tell those protestors. Why don't they protest about something that would be beneficial to the country? The banks fcuk the place, cuts to everything, thousands homeless, hospitals under pressure, roads woeful. Why didn't they join the protest for legacy inquiries, where their fellow countrymen and women were murdered by British state collusion? Nowhere to be seen when it comes to any of that. Idiots.

I don't think the protests do any harm, and if it helps people vent their anger then all well and good. It might also remind people to do the right thing next time they're out on the pull.

Protests in the occupied six are a waste of time, unless they are about civil rights or about flegs on the city hall. The brits will continue to pay more per head to 6 county occupants than what brummies or scousers get. That is, until the english finally catch on.

But these protests indicate the men are to blame. Fact is, jury found them not guilty. Case closed. That's the end of it.

Have you any idea of the amount of violence, sexual or otherwise, that is perpetrated against mainly women that goes unreported all the time?

Also - you do understand that not being convicted doesn't mean everything was fine. Far from it.

+1

[Milltown Row2]

I find it very, ahem, "interesting" that so many men deny there is such a thing as rape culture.

Who denies this?

[Syferus]

I find it very, ahem, "interesting" that so many men deny there is such a thing as rape culture.

Who denies this?

Accepting it in the abstract but denying it in individual cases seems to be the modus operandi for people like yourself. Every major case is the exception to the rule in your eyes.

[Milltown Row2]

I find it very, ahem, "interesting" that so many men deny there is such a thing as rape culture.

Who denies this?

Accepting it in the abstract but denying it in individual cases seems to be the modus operandi for people like yourself. Every major case is the exception to the rule in your eyes.

Why not take each case as it is and look at the facts first before cutting everyone down!

[Syferus]

I find it very, ahem, "interesting" that so many men deny there is such a thing as rape culture.

Who denies this?

Accepting it in the abstract but denying it in individual cases seems to be the modus operandi for people like yourself. Every major case is the exception to the rule in your eyes.

Why not take each case as it is and look at the facts first before cutting everyone down!

Why not take into account context so?

[Avondhu star]

I find it very, ahem, "interesting" that so many men deny there is such a thing as rape culture.

Who denies this?

Accepting it in the abstract but denying it in individual cases seems to be the modus operandi for people like yourself. Every major case is the exception to the rule in your eyes.

Why not take each case as it is and look at the facts first before cutting everyone down!

Why not take into account context so?

You're just lucky sheep can't speak

[yellowcard]

Craig Gilroy has now been removed from the Ulster squad for this weekends match as Ulster rugby carries out a review following the rape trial.

[BennyCake]

I find it very, ahem, "interesting" that so many men deny there is such a thing as rape culture.

Who denies this?

Accepting it in the abstract but denying it in individual cases seems to be the modus operandi for people like yourself. Every major case is the exception to the rule in your eyes.

Why not take each case as it is and look at the facts first before cutting everyone down!

Yes I agree

[sid waddell]

You're just lucky sheep can't speak

But they can apparently type, as this post shows.

[Owen Brannigan]

Craig Gilroy has now been removed from the Ulster squad for this weekends match as Ulster rugby carries out a review following the rape trial.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-43634687?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_news_ni&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=northern_ireland

[David McKeown]

The trial is over and your point is pointless!

Yes, the trial is over. Somebody should tell those protestors. Why don't they protest about something that would be beneficial to the country? The banks fcuk the place, cuts to everything, thousands homeless, hospitals under pressure, roads woeful. Why didn't they join the protest for legacy inquiries, where their fellow countrymen and women were murdered by British state collusion? Nowhere to be seen when it comes to any of that. Idiots.

I don't think the protests do any harm, and if it helps people vent their anger then all well and good. It might also remind people to do the right thing next time they're out on the pull.

Protests in the occupied six are a waste of time, unless they are about civil rights or about flegs on the city hall. The brits will continue to pay more per head to 6 county occupants than what brummies or scousers get. That is, until the english finally catch on.

But these protests indicate the men are to blame. Fact is, jury found them not guilty. Case closed. That's the end of it.

Is it maybe a case of over reach by the CPS? 

Could they have been charged with a lesser crime and therefore increase the  likelihood of a conviction.

No. They were charged with the offences the PPS believed they had committed. Had they committed lesser offences those either would have been charged or depending on the offence may have been open to the jury as an alternative verdict. For example. Jackson was charged with two counts rape because the complainant alleged he used his penis and sexual assault because she also alleged at a different stage he used his finger/fingers or had. Had the jury not been convinced he used his penis on the first occasion but did believe he used some other part of his body then they could have acquitted of rape but convicted him of a sexual assault. He could also then have been convicted of the sexual assault he was charged with as the complainant alleged they were two separate instances.

The PPS weren't over reaching as you put it although as mentioned above by BCB in hindsight questions will be asked over other aspects of their processes