The Future for Laois Football

[clonadmad]

Did i not just say who was going to get it?   PJ KELLY

So you know the result of the club vote already at convention ?

Fair play to you

Who finished second?

[Tintin84]

U20 "B" Semi-final Wednesday night Na Fianna Og against Rosenallis, for the future of Laois football how the hell can that team be allowed entry into a B competition against the likes of Rosenallis, Killeshin, Ballylinan, O'Dempseys, The Heath proper clubs doing it on there own, I don't mind two clubs possibly joined up and competing in the B competition BUT 4 CLUBS ABSOLUTE JOKE... That team would surely challenge for the A never mind the B and what good is it for them to be winning that competition absolutely none. They only played the u17 A Minor final from 2020 a couple of months ago and put it up to Graiguecullen so play an A minor final and then compete and they will walk that u20 B Competition. County Board or whoever allows this to happen are an absolute joke.

[Ballybrittas Boy]

U20 "B" Semi-final Wednesday night Na Fianna Og against Rosenallis, for the future of Laois football how the hell can that team be allowed entry into a B competition against the likes of Rosenallis, Killeshin, Ballylinan, O'Dempseys, The Heath proper clubs doing it on there own, I don't mind two clubs possibly joined up and competing in the B competition BUT 4 CLUBS ABSOLUTE JOKE... That team would surely challenge for the A never mind the B and what good is it for them to be winning that competition absolutely none. They only played the u17 A Minor final from 2020 a couple of months ago and put it up to Graiguecullen so play an A minor final and then compete and they will walk that u20 B Competition. County Board or whoever allows this to happen are an absolute joke.

I kinda thought that meself.

To be fair, they have been in the B for a few years now and not exactly won anything yet. It's an amalgamation that seems to be working well for the 4 clubs involved and it would be good if they stuck together and start competing in A competitions going forward.

The whole amalgamations thing (on the football side anyway) seems to have settled down after a few years of chopping and changing. The Rock seem to permanently gone away from the Emo Courtwood set up. Park Ratheniska have settled down well with Spink. Killeshin, The Heath, Rosenallis and Ballylinan seem to be happy enough to work away on their own.

[Laois man]

Should be a rule that you can't enter into a B competition unless your a stand alone team. Why not run a 11 or 13 aside B competition for clubs with low numbers. Mrath had no U20 team this year and there players got no hurling and 3 years ago they won a minor  A with Cbolla not much Development there for those lads.

[clonadmad]

Laois is some spot for amalgamations and bed hopping and it's all allowed by the county board

That's where the ultimate blame lies

This time of year in Laois  it is better than transfer deadline day on sky sports with harry redknapp hanging out the window of his Range Rover

The latest is that

Spink have walked out on park and approached crettyard who have now left na Fianna

In 2022 it will be crettyard spink at u13/15 and wait for it

Park Ratheniska spink crettyard at u17 and u20 next year

Trumera were supposed to be in bed with Ballacolla in the u20 A hurling but at the last minute took a shine to the Parish Gaels and are now in the B with us and we we should be by rights hurling in the A


We meet Park on Saturday on the u20 and it appears that Ballinakill are in the process of striking a deal for their St.Joseph's hurlers and bringing them to ballinakill along with the crettyard and spink dual players

All this leaves 10/12 lads from mountrath with no u20 as they were to go in with Ballacolla,only for Trumera who got there before them and then left

So they are high and dry

And the county board facilitates all this !!!!!

[clonadmad]

Should be a rule that you can't enter into a B competition unless your a stand alone team. Why not run a 11 or 13 aside B competition for clubs with low numbers. Mrath had no U20 team this year and there players got no hurling and 3 years ago they won a minor  A with Cbolla not much Development there for those lads.

I'm blue in the face from saying it

Run juvenile and u20 Competition grades based on numbers

No amalgamations

So you have 15/13/11 even 9 a side competitions

And you don't call it ABCD in case some clubs are worried about the stigma of playing in D

Call each grade after a former great

And the bigger clubs put in second or third or even fourth teams

A club has 30 u15's

15 plus 3 subs go to the A competition

Second team goes to the D

Which is 9 a side plus 3 subs

Everyone is getting game time

Wearing the club jersey

Getting trained by club men in the club grounds

And there's no more bed hopping

[SCFC]

Trumera were supposed to be in bed with Ballacolla in the u20 A hurling but at the last minute took a shine to the Parish Gaels and are now in the B with us and we we should be by rights hurling in the A


We meet Park on Saturday on the u20 and it appears that Ballinakill are in the process of striking a deal for their St.Joseph's hurlers and bringing them to ballinakill along with the crettyard and spink dual players

All this leaves 10/12 lads from mountrath with no u20 as they were to go in with Ballacolla,only for Trumera who got there before them and then left

So they are high and dry

And the county board facilitates all this !!!!!

Surely all that stuff has to be done at the start of the year, not a week or two before the games?
I know that in the football a lad from Castletown wanted to play with a team in the under 20 A football as an isolated player and he and they were told that it was too late.

[clonadmad]

Trumera were supposed to be in bed with Ballacolla in the u20 A hurling but at the last minute took a shine to the Parish Gaels and are now in the B with us and we we should be by rights hurling in the A


We meet Park on Saturday on the u20 and it appears that Ballinakill are in the process of striking a deal for their St.Joseph's hurlers and bringing them to ballinakill along with the crettyard and spink dual players

All this leaves 10/12 lads from mountrath with no u20 as they were to go in with Ballacolla,only for Trumera who got there before them and then left

So they are high and dry

And the county board facilitates all this !!!!!

Surely all that stuff has to be done at the start of the year, not a week or two before the games?
I know that in the football a lad from Castletown wanted to play with a team in the under 20 A football as an isolated player and he and they were told that it was too late.

In relation to the u20 hurling and football,you can bed hop before it starts as a club

An isolated player would have to have his application to play as an isolated player with a specific club in before 30th of January to the county board even for an u20 competition starting in November of that year

What Castletown could have done was amalgamate with that club at u20 A football for 2021 to accommodate that player and he could have played

[Laois man]

I was told Trumrea never planned to go with Cbolla in the U20🤔Would all these join ups not gave to be in place at the start of the year?

[The PRO]

Should be a rule that you can't enter into a B competition unless your a stand alone team. Why not run a 11 or 13 aside B competition for clubs with low numbers. Mrath had no U20 team this year and there players got no hurling and 3 years ago they won a minor  A with Cbolla not much Development there for those lads.

I'm blue in the face from saying it

Run juvenile and u20 Competition grades based on numbers

No amalgamations

So you have 15/13/11 even 9 a side competitions

And you don't call it ABCD in case some clubs are worried about the stigma of playing in D

Call each grade after a former great

And the bigger clubs put in second or third or even fourth teams

A club has 30 u15's

15 plus 3 subs go to the A competition

Second team goes to the D

Which is 9 a side plus 3 subs

Everyone is getting game time

Wearing the club jersey

Getting trained by club men in the club grounds

And there's no more bed hopping

Hard to argue with that. One thing I would say though is that some very small clubs would not have 9 players on their own for a two or even three year age bracket. Particular in the under 17/19/20 age groups where a lot of lads have dropped off.

[maccer]

Another problem then is players from the small clubs are discriminated against in that they are denied the opportunity to play a high grade football during their development years due to the small numbers available in their club. That then translates to county teams when they hope to transition from 9 a side games at a low level to full games at a higher standard. Having said that there is definitely a strong case for a single club competition as suggested to run alongside what's already in place

[Laois Rising]

My solution to this might be convoluted- The A competition comprises of the bigger standalone clubs and 5/6 established, set in stone, defined area teams e.g. like Na Fianna Og. Therefore, clubs can't hop from one amalgamation to the next. You are either part of your area team or you are not.

Therefore your better players from smaller clubs are still exposed to high level 15 v 15 football and the strength of the competition is improved which important for player development.

We should then have very defined B and C competition.

The B competition can only be entered by stand alone clubs not quiet at the top tier e.g. the Killeshins, Rosenallis' etc. No area teams allowed play in B competition.

Finally, the C competition is played at reduced numbers e.g. 11 aside to accommodate the smaller clubs to field teams individually and also to encourage the larger clubs to field second teams. Therefore, as many players as possible are afforded the opportunity to play football. Those smaller club players are eligible to play in A competition with area team and in C competition with their own club.

My own criticism of the likes of Na Fianna Og is that each club in that amalgamation (especially at minor level) would be capable of fielding/finding 11 players to play. Therefore, you have approximately 40 plus players trying to make it onto one starting team. Only the best three or four from each club will stay playing in this scenario and the rest will ultimately be lost to playing football. My own view is that each club should be pushed to develop and maximise the numbers playing football at juvenile level and compete where possible as a standalone club. My providing the smaller clubs with an opportunity to play a reduced numbers competition it will allow clubs maintain their identity and also maximise the number of players that will filter through to playing adult football. For a number of smaller clubs in Laois they are starting to struggle to field one team let alone a second team.   

[clonadmad]

Another problem then is players from the small clubs are discriminated against in that they are denied the opportunity to play a high grade football during their development years due to the small numbers available in their club. That then translates to county teams when they hope to transition from 9 a side games at a low level to full games at a higher standard. Having said that there is definitely a strong case for a single club competition as suggested to run alongside what's already in place

The way around the small clubs playing at 9 a side is to get them into the development squad system at u14 and it's run properly

Loughmore Casteleiny play most if not of their juvenile in Tipp at C and even D at times due to their numbers

It's hasn't done them any harm in either grade

What goes on in laois goes on in no other county and wouldn't be tolerated by any other county board either

[maccer]

You need the stronger lads in the county playing against in each constantly to rise standards. Area teams are required for this to happen in a county our size with the number of clubs we have. Lads below that level could develop at their own pace with their club as suggested by Laois Rising above perhaps. The 7 a side competition just finishing up has been well received and may be the start of something new

[Laois man]

Would parish rule solve a lot of this joining up shit.? Also underage some clubs do very little work so how are you going to have numbers at minor if there don't come through U11/13 and 15.