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I really don't get the issue here with Arva. They're in the junior championship because they weren't good enough to win it previously. League and championship aren't linked in some counties and that's fair enough as far I'm concerned.
I'd more so have an issue with Blackhill being a yo-yo club every few years, Glenullin remaining at intermediate level for two years running, or a club like Cullyhanna being relegated to intermediate via their league position, ignoring the fact they'd played 90% of the league without their county representatives. This then gave them a pretty straightforward intermediate title in Armagh and a crack at Ulster, despite being a senior club at full strength. A system like Cavan's would eradicate these problems and ensure teams that win championships move up accordingly, and those that have county representation aren't relegated to a lower tier championship via league position undeservedly.

So league shouldn't matter? Ok, let Dublin play tailteann cup.. Kilkenny play Christy ring

Dublin are the All Ireland Champions. Kilkenny were in the All Ireland Final. What are you talking about?

They play Div 1. Monaghan and Tipperary then...

Monaghan are Div 1 and were in an AI Semi Final, keep searching.

It is the same principal. Div 1 team.

But not linked here, are you unable to understand that?

Yes I understand. The point is that it's unfair

How so?

A team play if div 1 players better teams, better standard, better preparation. It improves them overall. That's why the structure in hurling is there. You play teams your level, to improve.

Same as Juvenile grades, you're seeded on your ability. Not on because of a out dated league and champ separation system.

The predictor of championship ability in Cavan is championship results.

If you want to make it league too, we'd be sending Denn (won Ulster Junior 2 years ago and good enough to get to intermediate final this year) which I presume you'd also feel was unfair.

Also don't see how you can call it "outdated" particularly when teams now don't have county players for the majority of the league, if anything separating them is a more modern school of thought.

I really don't get the issue here with Arva. They're in the junior championship because they weren't good enough to win it previously. League and championship aren't linked in some counties and that's fair enough as far I'm concerned.
I'd more so have an issue with Blackhill being a yo-yo club every few years, Glenullin remaining at intermediate level for two years running, or a club like Cullyhanna being relegated to intermediate via their league position, ignoring the fact they'd played 90% of the league without their county representatives. This then gave them a pretty straightforward intermediate title in Armagh and a crack at Ulster, despite being a senior club at full strength. A system like Cavan's would eradicate these problems and ensure teams that win championships move up accordingly, and those that have county representation aren't relegated to a lower tier championship via league position undeservedly.

So league shouldn't matter? Ok, let Dublin play tailteann cup.. Kilkenny play Christy ring

Dublin are the All Ireland Champions. Kilkenny were in the All Ireland Final. What are you talking about?

They play Div 1. Monaghan and Tipperary then...

Monaghan are Div 1 and were in an AI Semi Final, keep searching.

It is the same principal. Div 1 team.

But not linked here, are you unable to understand that?

Yes I understand. The point is that it's unfair

So you'd be happy enough if we sent Denn who won the Ulster Junior 2 years ago, were in an intermedia final this year and were Div 3 this year?

I really don't get the issue here with Arva. They're in the junior championship because they weren't good enough to win it previously. League and championship aren't linked in some counties and that's fair enough as far I'm concerned.
I'd more so have an issue with Blackhill being a yo-yo club every few years, Glenullin remaining at intermediate level for two years running, or a club like Cullyhanna being relegated to intermediate via their league position, ignoring the fact they'd played 90% of the league without their county representatives. This then gave them a pretty straightforward intermediate title in Armagh and a crack at Ulster, despite being a senior club at full strength. A system like Cavan's would eradicate these problems and ensure teams that win championships move up accordingly, and those that have county representation aren't relegated to a lower tier championship via league position undeservedly.

So league shouldn't matter? Ok, let Dublin play tailteann cup.. Kilkenny play Christy ring

Dublin are the All Ireland Champions. Kilkenny were in the All Ireland Final. What are you talking about?

They play Div 1. Monaghan and Tipperary then...

Monaghan are Div 1 and were in an AI Semi Final, keep searching.

It is the same principal. Div 1 team.

But the only way of getting relegated from Sam Maguire is via league position. What point are you trying to make??

I really don't get the issue here with Arva. They're in the junior championship because they weren't good enough to win it previously. League and championship aren't linked in some counties and that's fair enough as far I'm concerned.
I'd more so have an issue with Blackhill being a yo-yo club every few years, Glenullin remaining at intermediate level for two years running, or a club like Cullyhanna being relegated to intermediate via their league position, ignoring the fact they'd played 90% of the league without their county representatives. This then gave them a pretty straightforward intermediate title in Armagh and a crack at Ulster, despite being a senior club at full strength. A system like Cavan's would eradicate these problems and ensure teams that win championships move up accordingly, and those that have county representation aren't relegated to a lower tier championship via league position undeservedly.

So league shouldn't matter? Ok, let Dublin play tailteann cup.. Kilkenny play Christy ring

Dublin are the All Ireland Champions. Kilkenny were in the All Ireland Final. What are you talking about?

They play Div 1. Monaghan and Tipperary then...

Monaghan are Div 1 and were in an AI Semi Final, keep searching.

Refereeing here is  really poor, what other people think?

Very poor. Avoiding the big calls. The wide given as a point wasn't even close how did they all miss it.

I really don't get the issue here with Arva. They're in the junior championship because they weren't good enough to win it previously. League and championship aren't linked in some counties and that's fair enough as far I'm concerned.
I'd more so have an issue with Blackhill being a yo-yo club every few years, Glenullin remaining at intermediate level for two years running, or a club like Cullyhanna being relegated to intermediate via their league position, ignoring the fact they'd played 90% of the league without their county representatives. This then gave them a pretty straightforward intermediate title in Armagh and a crack at Ulster, despite being a senior club at full strength. A system like Cavan's would eradicate these problems and ensure teams that win championships move up accordingly, and those that have county representation aren't relegated to a lower tier championship via league position undeservedly.

So league shouldn't matter? Ok, let Dublin play tailteann cup.. Kilkenny play Christy ring

Dublin are the All Ireland Champions. Kilkenny were in the All Ireland Final. What are you talking about?

Do Cavan people realise that the majority of counties operate their championships and leagues combined? You can lose a senior champ final in Monaghan and still be relegated.

Cavan people should be embarrassed that Arva are in the Ulster Club Junior Championship.

Fraud of a system.

Cavan need to sort out their system, to improve it for their senior, intermediate and junior teams.

We are not embarrassed, at all. Delighted for Arva, best Junior Champions Cavan have produced in years.

Do Cavan people realise that the majority of counties operate their championships and leagues combined? You can lose a senior champ final in Monaghan and still be relegated.

Why would Cavan people care about the way other counties structure their championships?

It has to be changed. It's not right and unfair. The Cavan representatives should have nominated a Div 3 team to represent them in Ulster.

It's the Ulster JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP. Arva a JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP team. If Ulster start an Ulter Div 3 league, we'll send a Div 3 league team.

That's the idea of having a senior, intermediate and junior championship. Trams play at their level. The fact they play Div 1 football undermines this.

We have Senior Intermediate and Junior Championships too. You have to win to go up or be relegated to go down. We then send the winners to Ulster every year. Let me know if you need me to explain this again.

So you agree it's fair that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year all play div 1? You're been totally ignorant. It is been currently looked at by Ulster gaa and will change.

If we started linking them Killygarry would be playing Intermediate Championship next year and would do what Arva just did and dominate in Cavan and Ulster. You'd be moaning then too i'm sure.

Absolutely not. We all just want fairness. Play at your level.

In Cavan, finding your level at Championship football means getting promoted or relegated in Championship football. I don't know why people keep banging on about League football, two entirely different things in Cavan.

Complete ignorance. These championships are ran off as one massive group where you play 4 random teams. So if you're senior and play x4 of the top teams and it doesn't go well, you're now looking at a one off relegation playoff where anything can happen. Now you're intermediate. Same again.
3 Ulster rep's playing in Division 1 is embarrassing, you can slice it whatever way you want and talk about county player availability / formats / structures whatever you want. It is utterly embarrassing.
If my club won Junior in Tyrone and then pissed Ulster, you'd nearly be mortified. And we've been poor enough in championship in recent years. Doesn't change the fact we compete in division 1 league all year and are a senior club.

If it's any consolation, nobody in Arva or Cavan is embarrassed in the slightest.

Do Cavan people realise that the majority of counties operate their championships and leagues combined? You can lose a senior champ final in Monaghan and still be relegated.

Why would Cavan people care about the way other counties structure their championships?

It has to be changed. It's not right and unfair. The Cavan representatives should have nominated a Div 3 team to represent them in Ulster.

It's the Ulster JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP. Arva a JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP team. If Ulster start an Ulter Div 3 league, we'll send a Div 3 league team.

That's the idea of having a senior, intermediate and junior championship. Trams play at their level. The fact they play Div 1 football undermines this.

We have Senior Intermediate and Junior Championships too. You have to win to go up or be relegated to go down. We then send the winners to Ulster every year. Let me know if you need me to explain this again.

So you agree it's fair that your 3 representatives in Ulster this year all play div 1? You're been totally ignorant. It is been currently looked at by Ulster gaa and will change.

If we started linking them Killygarry would be playing Intermediate Championship next year and would do what Arva just did and dominate in Cavan and Ulster. You'd be moaning then too i'm sure.

Do Cavan people realise that the majority of counties operate their championships and leagues combined? You can lose a senior champ final in Monaghan and still be relegated.

Why would Cavan people care about the way other counties structure their championships?

It has to be changed. It's not right and unfair. The Cavan representatives should have nominated a Div 3 team to represent them in Ulster.

It's the Ulster JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP. Arva a JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP team. If Ulster start an Ulter Div 3 league, we'll send a Div 3 league team.

That's the idea of having a senior, intermediate and junior championship. Trams play at their level. The fact they play Div 1 football undermines this.

We have Senior Intermediate and Junior Championships too. You have to win to go up or be relegated to go down. We then send the winners to Ulster every year. Let me know if you need me to explain this again.

Do Cavan people realise that the majority of counties operate their championships and leagues combined? You can lose a senior champ final in Monaghan and still be relegated.

Why would Cavan people care about the way other counties structure their championships?

It has to be changed. It's not right and unfair. The Cavan representatives should have nominated a Div 3 team to represent them in Ulster.

It's the Ulster JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP. Arva a JUNIOR CHAMPIONSHIP team. If Ulster start an Ulter Div 3 league, we'll send a Div 3 league team.

Do Cavan people realise that the majority of counties operate their championships and leagues combined? You can lose a senior champ final in Monaghan and still be relegated.

Why would Cavan people care about the way other counties structure their championships?

Fair play to Arva. Should be able to consolidate as a solid intermediate team in Cavan for the next few years.  Holla unquestionably man of the match, fantastic performance.

You'd expect Arva to be able to stay up in intermediate. Unless they take Blackhill's approach and get relegated again and look for a handy championship.

Perhaps a 2025 Ulster Junior Final of Arva v Blackhill could be on the cards again.

This is a golden generation for Arva, they'll be keen to keep climbing the ranks in Cavan and try to become a Senior club again.

Fair play to Arva. Should be able to consolidate as a solid intermediate team in Cavan for the next few years.  Holla unquestionably man of the match, fantastic performance.

Don't you mean senior...

Arva can't be senior until at least 2025.