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I think SF lost their way a bit on abortion in the 26 counties when they threw Peader Toibin out and others also.
SF could have put forward the view that they are primarily interested in uniting Ireland and that there might be some variation in opinion among their members on things like abortion. Tóibín was a good performer and sound on the national issue. Had they allows a conscience vote in the 26 counties then they would probably still have Tóibín and they could then have allowed a conscience vote in the 6 counties which might have made them look less like eejits.

Uniting ireland alone will not put bread on the table in the south. No way they could take that approach

Abortion has nothing to do with putting bread on the table.
A UI will come about if the south has a successful economy, so conflict there.

I'd suggest the South has a pretty decent economy in the round, unlike us in this basket case where some unionists believe the subvention from whitehall is something to be proud of.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56413741

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56401797

Finally some positive speculation as opposed to some of the non-starters mentioned previously.

Someone like Marsch is a far superior target to the likes of Keane, Strachan, Kennedy, Clarke, Wilder etc.

And you can see from his comments Celtic is an easy sell to him. I'd have other preference over him but if he's the guy who Celtic decide then I'd be fairly satisfied.

Wait till he finds out there's SFA in the kitty to buy any decent players.

This is a fantastic piece and sums up the Free State attitude to northern nationalists.

if that's the free state attitude to northern nationalists

Why would northern nationalists want to join with us in a United Ireland ?

Such a sweeping statement when there was a civil war fought in the south over the terms of the treaty which left the 6 counties behind and in the present day opinion polls have shown a consistent desire for a UI in the 26

Opinion polls are one thing and I don't doubt that there's a desire among the population for a UI but that same enthusiasm isn't shown by either FF or FG leadership throughout history and especially that great leader in place now.

Honestly that guy is a bullshitter. I would be in favour of the sdlp generally but they need to ditch that guy as a leader. They will go nowhere with him.

Nicola seems to project a level of competence sadly lacking in a lot of politicians in the North and Colum is one of those. Too keen on getting a sound bite out.

Terminating an unborn life because it's an inconvenience is pretty callous as far as I see it. It's actually amoral.

So that's what you guys are for.

Personally no but I'm a man and by your previous post I'm absolved from all fault/blame/responsibility if a girl I impregnate falls pregnant.

I do believe that there are grounds for a woman in difficulty to be allowed to terminate their pregnancy though.

Motion 24: This motion proposes to extend the scope of the rule dealing with abuse of a racist, sectarian, or anti-inclusion nature against an opponent to also include such abuse against a match official.

Unsurprisingly passed by acclaim

Guess this means any derogatory reference to "free staters" will now carry a stern sanction

Great stuff - so as well as racist and sectarian bigotry not being tolerated, anti-Irish bigotry by people from Northern Ireland will not be tolerated

Motion 26: Propose to make it a foul to distract someone by waving hurl/arms while they are taking a puck-out/kick-out or sideline puck/kick.

Passed by acclaim

Good God

Imagine passing this motion for puckouts and sidelines but then bizarrely not for frees

Who the f**k comes up with this nonsense

I think , the frees were already in the rules

You can still stand with your arms/hurl in the air, just can't move them.

TBH I never knew this was an issue, but there you go.

Outstanding article today in Irish News from Jack Devanney.
He has shown great leadership  here and going out demanding a return to games in Northern Ireland before Republic returns. This makes sense as opposed to the romantic views from Tyrone. Our vaccination progress here and the First Minister allowing restrictions to be lifted soon makes it a very sensible and real prospect of games being played soon. The kids especially need back and let's hope this does not become political as we have different laws in NI so lets hope Down moves on. We led before in relation to the ground breaking rule 21 change .Jack Devanney won't be held back by the backward folk.
Even at congress he spoke very well and now could we be beginning to see the emergence of a potential GAA Presidential candidate in next election.
Proud of Jack's leadership.
Let's get behind him on this.

Just skip over his blatant lie about organised training and having the police land up the Abbey...? yeah... great leadership 

This proven liar is an embarrassment to his 'adopted county'.

There are plenty of proven liars native to this county so he's in good company.

[The mental health one is a nice card to play.]

Of course there's some who use abortion as a means of contraception. 200,000 in uk annually, they're not all rape, incest cases. You're naive if you think otherwise.

Again
"97.7% of abortions in England & Wales were performed under ground C - the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman."

The mental health one is a nice card to play.

We know how babies are made, we all know the consequences of the action behind them, 3 months later down the line if something has happened then it's time to face up and deal with consequences of your actions. It's a shame that your life may now be different and it's not just you anymore but that's a direct result of the actions you have taken.

I'd liken it to drink driving, there's a possibility something will go wrong when you sit into that car under the influence but if you do it then it's a decision you can't go back on and you should face the consequences.

There will be many women who have an abortion and will regret it later on in their lives, it will probably lead to mental health issues with them. It's interesting that those in favour of abortion yield out these statistics but only look at them through one lens.

Ultimately the decision to terminate a pregnancy of a perfectly healthy baby, created by your own conscious decisions and actions is the most selfish thing you could ever contemplate doing.

Ah Angelo lol

Apart for the hypocrisy on the mental health the misogynism running through that post is rotten to the core.

This is a fantastic piece and sums up the Free State attitude to northern nationalists.

Pretty much spot on from my perspective (other perspectives are valid too) in so much Unionism over the last number of years are struggling to come to terms with the fact they're not in the majority as they once were and a lot of that is indeed to do with their own intransigence and ignorance as much as shifting demographics and the emergence of Alliance to fill the middle ground.

That same middle ground is where any referendum on a UI will be won and lost, something the Shinners need to be acutely aware of and some of their more vocal members will put that middle ground off them and subsequently the thought of a UI.

A UI will almost certainly see the end of the duopoly of FF and FG and they'll obviously want to preserve that for their usual selfish interests for as long as possible.

I think the 2021 consensus currently being rolled out at the minute is going to tell us a tale.

Got a call from the GP there and am booked in next wednesday..

Happy days

[Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF?]

Trailer - try and forget about Sinn Fein for a minute

do YOU think that the Tanaiste should be allowed work in his role when he is under Garda investigation for leaking confidential information to his friend?

Michelle O'Neill didn't stand aside when under investigation and in fact refused to, so why should Leo?

Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF? Cos MO'N wasn't the incoming Taoiseach? Cos she wasn't being investigated for corruption?

Varadkar is superior to SF

In terms of morals, ability, action, trustworthiness, accountability

That's not hard to be fair - so is my local drug dealer

Telling statement that one.

It explains a lot

In what way?

The use of the word "my"   

Do expand, you're being very cryptic, you seem a bit scared of clarity about exactly what you mean

"my local drug dealer" would suggest he (or she, don't want to be too sexist) is your drug dealer.

my (from a dictionary)

determiner;   of or belonging to me (= the speaker or writer):

Freudian slip 

So are you saying I'm a user of illegal drugs?

I can tell you where my local rugby club is but I'm not a member, nor do I attend matches

I'd suggest you use "the" instead of "my then

[Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF?]

Trailer - try and forget about Sinn Fein for a minute

do YOU think that the Tanaiste should be allowed work in his role when he is under Garda investigation for leaking confidential information to his friend?

Michelle O'Neill didn't stand aside when under investigation and in fact refused to, so why should Leo?

Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF? Cos MO'N wasn't the incoming Taoiseach? Cos she wasn't being investigated for corruption?

Varadkar is superior to SF

In terms of morals, ability, action, trustworthiness, accountability

That's not hard to be fair - so is my local drug dealer

Telling statement that one.

It explains a lot

In what way?

The use of the word "my"   

Do expand, you're being very cryptic, you seem a bit scared of clarity about exactly what you mean

"my local drug dealer" would suggest he (or she, don't want to be too sexist) is your drug dealer.

my (from a dictionary)

determiner;   of or belonging to me (= the speaker or writer):

Freudian slip 

[Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF?]

Trailer - try and forget about Sinn Fein for a minute

do YOU think that the Tanaiste should be allowed work in his role when he is under Garda investigation for leaking confidential information to his friend?

Michelle O'Neill didn't stand aside when under investigation and in fact refused to, so why should Leo?

Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF? Cos MO'N wasn't the incoming Taoiseach? Cos she wasn't being investigated for corruption?

Varadkar is superior to SF

In terms of morals, ability, action, trustworthiness, accountability

That's not hard to be fair - so is my local drug dealer

Telling statement that one.

It explains a lot

In what way?

The use of the word "my"   

[Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF?]

Trailer - try and forget about Sinn Fein for a minute

do YOU think that the Tanaiste should be allowed work in his role when he is under Garda investigation for leaking confidential information to his friend?

Michelle O'Neill didn't stand aside when under investigation and in fact refused to, so why should Leo?

Cos he likes to paint himself as superior to SF? Cos MO'N wasn't the incoming Taoiseach? Cos she wasn't being investigated for corruption?

Varadkar is superior to SF

In terms of morals, ability, action, trustworthiness, accountability

That's not hard to be fair - so is my local drug dealer

Telling statement that one.

Did Sinn Fein request ministers step aside during the Cash for Ash inquiry?

Yes and famously tried to get Arlene to step aside. When she faced them down they collapsed Stormont and famously said no return to the Status Quo. Irish language Act anois etc etc. Basically a whole load of shite and then returned to Stormont with Arlene as FM and of course no ILA.

the SDLP also asked for Arlene to step aside as did the Alliance at that time. But as they were outside the tent pissing in no one paid attention.