Parking Ticket Question

Started by StGallsGAA, March 01, 2012, 11:16:14 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

tyrone girl

Quote from: trailer on August 07, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 07, 2018, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 07, 2018, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 07, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
Jesus Christ. Had been reading this thread thinking that will never happen to me. Anyways, wife parked somewhere in Bangor wtf? Got one of these through the post today. Smart parking. What's the story? Pay it or ignore it.

I got one a few months back, Mrs parked in a carpark in Banbridge that was 3 hours only, have had 5 letters so far, latest threatening debt recovery agencies and court, going to keep ignoring them.

Given they have no contract with you they would do well to take you to court. Assuming you are registered keeper. They will keep coming for a while but imagine they will give up.

Scenario is the wife paid for parking but overstayed her welcome. Does this make a difference given she paid initially?

No. Just continue to ignore.

David McKeown

Quote from: trailer on August 07, 2018, 09:10:58 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 07, 2018, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: charlieTully on August 07, 2018, 08:43:01 PM
Quote from: trailer on August 07, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
Jesus Christ. Had been reading this thread thinking that will never happen to me. Anyways, wife parked somewhere in Bangor wtf? Got one of these through the post today. Smart parking. What's the story? Pay it or ignore it.

I got one a few months back, Mrs parked in a carpark in Banbridge that was 3 hours only, have had 5 letters so far, latest threatening debt recovery agencies and court, going to keep ignoring them.

Given they have no contract with you they would do well to take you to court. Assuming you are registered keeper. They will keep coming for a while but imagine they will give up.

Scenario is the wife paid for parking but overstayed her welcome. Does this make a difference given she paid initially?

This is what I see to be the biggest problem the car park would have in this jurisdiction. In England and Wales the Car owner is liable for civil wrongs committed by drivers. There is a statutory basis for that. The statute doesn't apply here, so the car company would have to prove you were driving. I don't know how they would do that. Particularly as you weren't.
2022 Allianz League Prediction Competition Winner

David McKeown

In a bizzare coincidence the debt recovery people rang me today about the case described above having not been in contact in more than 6 months. I missed the call and rang them back and they refused to speak to me until I provided personal information to them. I refused and hung up and have reported them to the police as a potential phone scam.
2022 Allianz League Prediction Competition Winner

MoChara

Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
In a bizzare coincidence the debt recovery people rang me today about the case described above having not been in contact in more than 6 months. I missed the call and rang them back and they refused to speak to me until I provided personal information to them. I refused and hung up and have reported them to the police as a potential phone scam.

;D  ;D ;D fighting the good fight

David McKeown

Another thing that was pointed out to me today is that a lot of land of these so called private land Car parks aren't actually on private land but are instead public places. The one today involving Rushmere shopping centre so I really can't see how these charges could be enforceable here.
2022 Allianz League Prediction Competition Winner

macdanger2

Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
In a bizzare coincidence the debt recovery people rang me today about the case described above having not been in contact in more than 6 months. I missed the call and rang them back and they refused to speak to me until I provided personal information to them. I refused and hung up and have reported them to the police as a potential phone scam.

Quality  ;D

take_yer_points

My wife has one of these parking tickets from Car Park Services. She was parked in a car park near Botanic in Belfast and forgot to start the counter on that Park Mobile app.

Under normal circumstances I'd ignore. However she uses that car park on a regular basis. Can they clamp her at a later date for non-payment of the parking ticket?

Applesisapples

Quote from: take_yer_points on November 08, 2018, 03:00:36 PM
My wife has one of these parking tickets from Car Park Services. She was parked in a car park near Botanic in Belfast and forgot to start the counter on that Park Mobile app.

Under normal circumstances I'd ignore. However she uses that car park on a regular basis. Can they clamp her at a later date for non-payment of the parking ticket?
Only if they are licensed to clamp.

grounded

Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
In a bizzare coincidence the debt recovery people rang me today about the case described above having not been in contact in more than 6 months. I missed the call and rang them back and they refused to speak to me until I provided personal information to them. I refused and hung up and have reported them to the police as a potential phone scam.

I burst out laughing on reading the last line there!
     I had a similar experience with a fine from a private car parking company in Newry(i never responded at all).  Although I had shopped in quite a few of the surrounding shops that day I had overstayed the 2 hour time limit. Numerous letters followed after i failed to pay the initial £120 fine. 
    It was quite comical actually(although I'm sure it could be frightening for some people). Various threatening letters about harm to credit ratings and being referred to their specialist debt collection agency would follow one after another. After the 5th letter or so they offered to reduce the fine for one chance only before referring to their legal department. The fine would then increase for a few letters before being decreased for one very last chance. Final demands being printed on the envelopes was a tad embarrassing I suppose. I think there was about 15 or so letters before they finally gave up. My one very small pleasure in the whole thing was the postage it cost the pr#@ks.
     

bogball88

Got a legit parking ticket and fine couple of months ago on Lisburn Road Belfast from DEpartment for Infrstructure or whatever they are called. Appealed it and said I had run out of fuel at the time with an accompanying invoice from a mechanic I know to say he had repaired the faulty fuel gauge.
Fine was cancelled.

David McKeown

Quote from: bogball88 on November 13, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
Got a legit parking ticket and fine couple of months ago on Lisburn Road Belfast from DEpartment for Infrstructure or whatever they are called. Appealed it and said I had run out of fuel at the time with an accompanying invoice from a mechanic I know to say he had repaired the faulty fuel gauge.
Fine was cancelled.

I think the legislation gives you an absolute defence if you are prevent from moving the vehicle by circumstances beyond your control. I've had a couple cancelled over the years. The problem I have is they have a policy that says you may only use each acceptable reason once which I think is unlawful.

They wouldn't cancel one for my heavily pregnant wife a year ago when she parked on double yellow lines outside the house we were staying in so that she could run to the bathroom. I've been bitter about that one since.
2022 Allianz League Prediction Competition Winner

David McKeown

The somewhat more serious issue is these companies who are declaring these car parks to be private land may inadvertently be facilitating what would otherwise be crime. I know for example McDonalds will report anyone they suspect of drink driving and ask them to remain in the space for orders that are taking too long. Unless the police are clever enough to allow the alleged offender to leave the confines of one of these private car parks they've committed no crime.

Similarly hit and runs in these car parks used to allow people to be charged with failure to stop/remain/report etc as well as careless driving. Often insurance companies will hold the victim liable if a conviction can't be secured. These private car parking companies would give an offender an absolute defence and leave the victim high and dry.
2022 Allianz League Prediction Competition Winner

Applesisapples

Quote from: grounded on November 13, 2018, 08:29:17 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on August 08, 2018, 08:25:14 PM
In a bizzare coincidence the debt recovery people rang me today about the case described above having not been in contact in more than 6 months. I missed the call and rang them back and they refused to speak to me until I provided personal information to them. I refused and hung up and have reported them to the police as a potential phone scam.

I burst out laughing on reading the last line there!
     I had a similar experience with a fine from a private car parking company in Newry(i never responded at all).  Although I had shopped in quite a few of the surrounding shops that day I had overstayed the 2 hour time limit. Numerous letters followed after i failed to pay the initial £120 fine. 
    It was quite comical actually(although I'm sure it could be frightening for some people). Various threatening letters about harm to credit ratings and being referred to their specialist debt collection agency would follow one after another. After the 5th letter or so they offered to reduce the fine for one chance only before referring to their legal department. The fine would then increase for a few letters before being decreased for one very last chance. Final demands being printed on the envelopes was a tad embarrassing I suppose. I think there was about 15 or so letters before they finally gave up. My one very small pleasure in the whole thing was the postage it cost the pr#@ks.
     
In this instance if you don't engage they haven't a leg.

giveherlong

What about the M50 toll?
Got a letter from back in August when it wasn't paid
Northern reg car and address

Ambrose

Quote from: giveherlong on November 14, 2018, 09:43:40 PM
What about the M50 toll?
Got a letter from back in August when it wasn't paid
Northern reg car and address

If it's your first time they'll let you off if you call them up and offer to pay the toll. If you make a habit of it they can seize your car in extreme cases. I'd pay up, its only 3 euro.
You can't live off history and tradition forever