6 County Assembly Elections - 5th May 2022

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smelmoth

Quote from: marty34 on May 26, 2023, 07:39:12 AM
Campbell isn't too bad.

He is as good as Peston and we are lucky to have him.


Quote from: marty34 on May 26, 2023, 07:39:12 AM
More business orientated.

Imagine that

Keyser soze

If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.

Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.

smelmoth

Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.

Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.

Will anything formally change?

One of the many constructive ambiguities in the GFA is the wide discretion given to the SOS on when to trigger the 2 polls. Maybe a line or 2 around that not being anytime soon can be chalk off whatever climb down they are going to have to wear on the Windsor Framework.

Eire90

im i being correct in saying the dup are threatening the British goverment that they will not recognise the windsor framework unless they make conditions to trigger a border poll harder  will they tell the tories they want a super majority put into law for a border poll vote to be successful.

The Premierview Podcast

Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.

Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.


if the DUP had even a whit of strategic thinking they would calling for a border poll now

Win it comprehensively 55-45/60-40

And show that there is a significant Catholic Unionist vote out there, happy with the status quo.

And burying it for another 50 years


There's no clear indication within the GFA that if one poll is called another border poll has to be called within a certain time frame .

grounded

Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.

Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.

There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.


RedHand88

Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.

Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.

Completely agree with this.

I cannot believe the gall at them for even suggesting it. It is absolute desperation.

RedHand88

Quote from: Brendan on May 26, 2023, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:16 AM
Border poll!

https://twitter.com/DarranMarshall/status/1661858499062644740

Do politicians ever watch back clips like this and cringe at how stupid it makes them look

I see she's decided to engage with ones in the replies so it's obviously been gnawing at her...

seafoid

Is there a plan to convert the middle ground?
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

smelmoth

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Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.

Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.

There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.

Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?

Aristo 60

Yes. Free tickets to tailteann cup matches 8)

dec

Quote from: smelmoth on May 25, 2023, 09:39:24 PM

What would the trading agreement be with GB?
What would the EU view on that be?


Brexit managed to damage both the status quo (NI in UK) and a future United Ireland.

Membership of the EU managed to make the border almost invisible as a practical matter, Brexit damaged that and in a future United Ireland the Common Travel area and EU membership would leave the border between Ireland and GB mostly invisible, Brexit makes that almost impossible.

Rossfan

There would of course be special arrangements for the North East Home Rule Area.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

weareros

Unionists like to talk about their biggest trading partner: GB.

Ireland (republic) now only has about 9% of its trade with GB. It's not the 1950s anymore.

Here's the kicker that never gets discussed. The republic is still a larger trading partner with GB (even if 90% of its trade is elsewhere) per head of population than the north is. UK exports to Ireland (republic) were £54.7bn in 2022 and imports were £29.1bn. The North on other hand exports £12.2bn to GB and imports £14.4b.

Consider North has 40% of population of South. But consider the South does all that trade with UK (and is UK's 6th largest market) but 90% of South's trade is still elsewhere.

There's very little elsewhere for the North apart from GB and the rest of Ireland. Unionists in their blindness to be tethered to GB cannot even see that GB being the largest trading partner is actually a problem for economic growth. And they do not even have a surplus. The 1.9m from North buy more from GB than the 68m in GB buys from the wee country. South does not have a surplus either with UK  but has found new markets. One place North does have a surplus: with the South. And the protocol has increased that surplus.

grounded

Quote from: smelmoth on May 26, 2023, 02:33:29 PM
Quote from: grounded on May 26, 2023, 12:15:45 PM
Quote from: Keyser soze on May 26, 2023, 10:47:07 AM
If the DUP manoeuvre the British government into postponing/deferring/cancelling the prospect of a border poll it will be the greatest boost to Nationalism since Brexit.

Another strategic masterstroke by the DUP.

There is a concerted effort now, calling for the scrapping of the good friday agreement or failing that a renogiation of the mechanism by which a border poll is called or a changing of the 50+1% rule for it to pass.

Spell out the details of each strand that go to make up the "concerted effort" to which you refer?

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