Ulster Club SFC 2019

[Angelo]

Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult it's to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

You're excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadn't been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadn't won't a county championship in a while The Loup!

You're arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.

I think the record of Armagh clubs against Cross and how they do the rare time they come out of Armagh as opposed to Cross doesn't make good reading. That coupled with the poor record of intermediate and junior champions at Ulster level reflects very poorly on Armagh club football.

It's like stating Munster football is of a very high standard because Kerry get parachuted into the last 8 every year.

[Taylor]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest 

[t_mac]

Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult it's to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

You're excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadn't been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadn't won't a county championship in a while The Loup!

You're arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.

I think the record of Armagh clubs against Cross and how they do the rare time they come out of Armagh as opposed to Cross doesn't make good reading. That coupled with the poor record of intermediate and junior champions at Ulster level reflects very poorly on Armagh club football.

It's like stating Munster football is of a very high standard because Kerry get parachuted into the last 8 every year.

As opposed to the great reading Tyrone County Champions have when they get out of Tyrone?

[Angelo]

Are we talking about how to win Ulster club games or how difficult it's to win Tyrone championships?

The best teams in Ulster win the Ulster championship, whether you believe it or not Angelo the facts are simple.

Forget about being tired , 2 week period to prepare (like most) county players wrapped up in cotton wool all year getting the best of treatment so very much on their game, a knockout competition so no extra games like some other counties.

You're excuse of teams constantly winning their county championships has been shown up plenty times, we won it in 82 (before anyone had heard of Tyrone football) and we hadn't been winning every year, we got straight to the Ulster final after winning county championship after a lengthy lay off, to be only beaten by another team that hadn't won't a county championship in a while The Loup!

You're arguments are poor

I'm talking about the strength of club championships. Cross pretty much get an automatic entry every year into the Ulster Club as the competition is so poor in Armagh.

If the Ulster Club was a meritocracy then that would be fine but it's not. Some clubs get a procession to the Ulster Club, other teams have to go through a dog fight to get there. That's just the nature of the competition.

It's similar to the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for years in Munster, they know they will be in the last 8 of the AI every single year without having to get out of second gear. They can tailor their plans for that.

Or maybe Cross are that good, I'd say they would rattle Tyrone most years their pedigree in Ulster and All-Ireland proves that, they don't come out of Armagh and fall at the first hurdle in Ulster.

I think the record of Armagh clubs against Cross and how they do the rare time they come out of Armagh as opposed to Cross doesn't make good reading. That coupled with the poor record of intermediate and junior champions at Ulster level reflects very poorly on Armagh club football.

It's like stating Munster football is of a very high standard because Kerry get parachuted into the last 8 every year.

As opposed to the great reading Tyrone County Champions have when they get out of Tyrone?

Yes.

It's far superior to that of Armagh clubs outside Cross.

Cross themselves have a relatively mediocre record against Tyrone sides, they lost to Errigal twice and Omagh.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

[Angelo]

These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.

[Angelo]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest 

Not at all, didn't say that or even imply it.
The best team doesn't always win it, but the team that does win it is still good&worthy of it all the same.

The remedial class of gaaboard posters like Tmac just can't seem to grasp this point.

Whoever comes through in Tyrone will hold their own at this level, take Armagh for instance - whoever it is that comes through other than Cross will look a little out of place.

[GiveItToTheShooters]

These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.

I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

[imtommygunn]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest 

Not at all, didn't say that or even imply it.
The best team doesn't always win it, but the team that does win it is still good&worthy of it all the same.

The remedial class of gaaboard posters like Tmac just can't seem to grasp this point.

Whoever comes through in Tyrone will hold their own at this level, take Armagh for instance - whoever it is that comes through other than Cross will look a little out of place.

They are highly unlikely, based on past evidence, to win though as their team won't be of a high enough standard.

[Milltown Row2]

Derrygonnelly better not turn up, especially after reading how good the Tyrone clubs are

[Pearse Blue]

To suggest Slaughtneil were strolling through Derry is just nonsense. They won because they were the best team but some of their Derry championship games were tougher than some of the Ulster club games.

Awk oakleaf wise up they strolled through it, yes it was because they were an exceptional team but they still walked through it

But in 2014 Slaughtneil won their first Derry title in 10 years and went on to win Ulster... how does this fit the narrative that you need to be regularly competing in Ulster to win it??

It certainly helps. The fact is Slaughtneil were coming back again and again after that, they pipped an Omagh side in the final who had just won their first Tyrone title in 26 years.

But the Derry championship is litter with one-off (or first-time) winners going on to in Ulster in the same season; why not Tyrone... maybe because they aren't good enough!!??

Bellaghy 1994
Dungiven 1997
Ballinderry 2001
Loup 2003

This person's a waffler - facts state that Tyrone senior club winners can't compete too well in Ulster - fact.  They're not good enough.

In the same way the Cavan championship is competitive but when in Ulster, they are poor enough.

No disrespect to Tyrone or Cavan.

Just look at the Roll of Honour.  Cross have been brill - 3 or 4 different teams, in transition, in a relatively uncompetitive Armagh championship, but keep producing the goods in Ulster and Ireland.

Why? - because over the years, they've been the best team.

Your just completely incorrect fella.

Oh that's right the best is some team in Tyrone who can't get out of Tyrone, are you reading the crap you post.

Well it seems its true, you cant teach stupid.
It seems im ahead of my time as very few can grasp the concept.
The bold - 9 times out of 10 that is true. one game, 60 minutes, one slip up or stroke of luck and anything can happen.

Topsoil - as a Tyrone man I am struggling to understand what you are saying.

Do you mean 9 times out of 10 it is the luckiest team that wins the Tyrone cship?

If they dont have one slip up and no bad luck in all of the rounds they win the cship - but they arent the best just the luckiest 

Not at all, didn't say that or even imply it.
The best team doesn't always win it, but the team that does win it is still good&worthy of it all the same.

The remedial class of gaaboard posters like Tmac just can't seem to grasp this point.

Whoever comes through in Tyrone will hold their own at this level, take Armagh for instance - whoever it is that comes through other than Cross will look a little out of place.

I agree, any of the top 7/8 could come out of Tyrone and perform well in Ulster but if Cross don't come out of Armagh and Slaughneil don't come out of Derry, the rest of their teams don't stand a chance at the minute.

[Angelo]

These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.

I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

[Milltown Row2]

These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.

I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe your trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

6/7? Is this based purely on your assessment or have you facts to back this up?

[StephenC]

If someone from Donegal came on here and claimed that the reason why Donegal clubs haven't done well in Ulster is that our club championship is too strong etc. they would (correctly) be laughed out of it.

What a load of shite this thred has turned into.

[Keyser soze]

These Tyrone ones are quare craic, best to give them a fool's pardon.
Their bizarre assumption that because their championship is so 'competitive' means that it is of a high quality. That myth is firmly debunked on looking at their record in the Ulster CSFC.
They're not good enough and haven't been good enough. Quite simple really.

It's utterly false to say it's debunked, Tyrone teams more than hold their own in Ulster.

You look at the likes of Maghery getting a double digit clipping from Kilcoo and Armagh Harps getting knocked out by Derrygonnely to tell you the level of Armagh club football outside of Cross.

Sure Galbally made light work of Grange in the intermediate last week.

I didn't mention Armagh football, but continue to deflect the point as if Derrygonelly and Kilcoo aren't seasoned Ulster campaigners..
"Holding their own" doesn't win Ulster titles.

I'm not deflecting, I'm arguing my point - maybe you're trying to discuss a different argument.

Cross and Slaughtneil have won 7 of the 9 Ulster titles this decade. They were the best club sides in Ulster those years but they were definitely aided by the lack of competition in their own county championships.

The Tyrone championship is definitely the toughest and the one with the highest amount of quality sides in Ulster. Of the top 20 club sides in Ulster I would say that we would certainly have 6/7 teams in it. I don't think any other county in Ulster would have near that.

Sure the same number of Derry clubs have won their county championship over the past 20 years as Tyrone clubs.  You are completely delusional.