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« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2017, 12:17:42 AM »
I assume syphilis has similar opinions on founders of all political parties in Ireland? All founded with the gun, all unapologetic for it. Another stupid post.

Apples and oranges, as always some wish that 1916 is easily mappable to 1986 but sadly it doesn’t. There’s a reason Dev and Collins left SF and the IRA behind.

Why did Collins leave them? To take his place as a British Military general and turn British artillery on his former comrades in the Four Courts?

Why did DeValera leave it? To step down from office with his state a decrepid third world hovel but his personal account immensely wealthy?

Both left the IRA with blood on their hands, at least in the defence of Collins you can say he didn't have any time to shape his legacy. What we know about DeValera was that all the blood he has on his hands were self-serving.

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« Reply #31 on: November 23, 2017, 02:58:08 AM »
The terrorist is the one with the small bomb.

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« Reply #32 on: November 23, 2017, 07:05:27 AM »
At the Sinn Fein party conference last week, there was the expected praise for Martin McGuinness.

Yet unionists are upset, that nationalists should honour their dead.

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A couple of weeks ago, the whole country had to stop whilst unionists honoured their fallen heroes. Some people are even shamed into buying poppies.

Is this not the biggest of double standards?

Very few people care. The DUP are not upset about this. The Unionist community are not upset by this.
We look for the DUP and SF to change then we react to every script they hand us as if they really believe it.

It's a common trick. FG TD's regularly talk about IRA victims. They don't give a feck about those victims. We all know it yet we all react as if they are genuine.
There's enough to get upset about without getting upset about the stuff made up to get us upset.


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« Reply #33 on: November 23, 2017, 08:08:54 AM »
Syferus, you generally make a lot of good posts. However I feel you need to have lived in the north before making comments like you did earlier.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, Catholics were 2nd Class citizens. That has now changed and whether we like it or not, it was people like Martin McGuiness that dragged us to where we are today.
70s and 80s!  Stop rewriting the situation to suit your viewpoint
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« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2017, 09:21:00 AM »
Syferus, you generally make a lot of good posts. However I feel you need to have lived in the north before making comments like you did earlier.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, Catholics were 2nd Class citizens. That has now changed and whether we like it or not, it was people like Martin McGuiness that dragged us to where we are today.
70s and 80s!  Stop rewriting the situation to suit your viewpoint

How's he rewriting anything?

Just because it wasn't reported like it was by RTÉ, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2017, 09:44:32 AM »


How's he rewriting anything?

Just because it wasn't reported like it was by RTÉ, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It's semantic satiation.

'Second class citizen' doesn't mean anything anymore. A great victory somewhere.

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« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2017, 09:56:47 AM »
FF and FG are a long time finished with the gun.

Now they just allow another country to refuel on their way to blowing the shit out of less important people. We don't see the blood on the telly so maybe it's not happening.

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« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2017, 10:06:46 AM »
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.

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« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2017, 11:52:47 AM »
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.

Err, you’re talking about the party that isn’t even bothering it’s hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.

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« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2017, 11:59:50 AM »
If after the next election  we have FF and FG with about 50 seats each and SF with 30-35........
Syfīn needs to read up on the history of the 6 Cos prior to 1971.

When FF propping up an FG government is preferable to both parties in lieu of dealing with SF you have your answer what will happen. You could do with reading up on your recent history rather than suggesting others do so.

SF are nailed on to lose seats with an ever-improving economy and someone as unsuitable and disliked as Mary Lou at the helm. This is the woman who was thrown out of the Dail a few weeks ago ffs. They are and will remain toxic to transfers.

Labour will hopefully hoover up enough of the votes from the independents and left-leaning voters departing SF to form a government with FG.

The less said about the drunken scrawl on the back of a napkin that was SF’s bailout and giveaway policies at the last two elections the better.

Syferus was all for the sectarian murder of Protestants down in Cork in the 1920s and the murder of RIC officers and civilians by Republicans during the War of Independence. Most free staters seem to be of the opinion that murder and violence was OK so that they could have their own freedom but were quite happy to stand idly by and watch a pogrom taking place 50 years later across the border, subsequently wringing their hands and screaming when the persecuted community had the temerity to stand up for themselves when nobody else would. That's what it all boils down to, sadly.

History will remember Martin McGuinness very fondly, it will remember his courage, sacrifice and selflessness - a life devoted to the betterment of his community.

Its a handy number denegrading those who gave their lives to protect the catholic, nationalist, native occupants of the 6 counties during the British run pogrom.

Nothing much else to be at in Roscommon to be honest, demilitrised zone for quislings.

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« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2017, 12:04:22 PM »
Negotiate what? These steps towards fairness and equality were supposed to implemented years ago and the DUP signed up to it!  They have been dragging their heels for far too long and placing obstacle after obstacle in the way.  Not to mention their abuse of power, misuse of legislation, financial underhandedness/ineptness, use of paramilitaries to ensure votes and utter disrespect and intolerance.  Obviously it's not ideal but why should it be accepted any longer?

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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2017, 12:09:38 PM »
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.

Err, you’re talking about the party that isn’t even bothering it’s hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.

Err, it was brought down due to DUP arrogance around the Irish language act and the wood pellet scandal of which they haven't budged an inch on either, SF are right on this one.
Don't even mention Mr Girvan and his Orange hall grants.

No equality, no Assembly is a reasonable stance IMO.

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« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2017, 12:11:11 PM »
Negotiate what? These steps towards fairness and equality were supposed to implemented years ago and the DUP signed up to it!  They have been dragging their heels for far too long and placing obstacle after obstacle in the way.  Not to mention their abuse of power, misuse of legislation, financial underhandedness/ineptness, use of paramilitaries to ensure votes and utter disrespect and intolerance.  Obviously it's not ideal but why should it be accepted any longer?

Lads he is being a WUM on this thread. He has no clue what he is talking about on this.


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Re: Terrorist Glorification versus Honouring Fallen Heroes
« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2017, 12:11:22 PM »
If after the next election  we have FF and FG with about 50 seats each and SF with 30-35........
Syfīn needs to read up on the history of the 6 Cos prior to 1971.

When FF propping up an FG government is preferable to both parties in lieu of dealing with SF you have your answer what will happen. You could do with reading up on your recent history rather than suggesting others do so.

SF are nailed on to lose seats with an ever-improving economy and someone as unsuitable and disliked as Mary Lou at the helm. This is the woman who was thrown out of the Dail a few weeks ago ffs. They are and will remain toxic to transfers.

Labour will hopefully hoover up enough of the votes from the independents and left-leaning voters departing SF to form a government with FG.

The less said about the drunken scrawl on the back of a napkin that was SF’s bailout and giveaway policies at the last two elections the better.

Syferus was all for the sectarian murder of Protestants down in Cork in the 1920s and the murder of RIC officers and civilians by Republicans during the War of Independence. Most free staters seem to be of the opinion that murder and violence was OK so that they could have their own freedom but were quite happy to stand idly by and watch a pogrom taking place 50 years later across the border, subsequently wringing their hands and screaming when the persecuted community had the temerity to stand up for themselves when nobody else would. That's what it all boils down to, sadly.

History will remember Martin McGuinness very fondly, it will remember his courage, sacrifice and selflessness - a life devoted to the betterment of his community.

Its a handy number denegrading those who gave their lives to protect the catholic, nationalist, native occupants of the 6 counties during the British run pogrom.

Nothing much else to be at in Roscommon to be honest, demilitrised zone for quislings.

dont generalise Roscommon, i personally know plenty, including close relatives,  of Rossies who fought border campaigns in the 50s and to their death bed did their best to create a 32 county republic.  Not all of us buy into simplistc blueshirt propoganda

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« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2017, 12:13:48 PM »
There's another very important aspect to be considered - SF need to keep their grassroots onside. It isn't in anyone's interest for grumblings to start about them abandoning the struggle, and the potential for havoc that perceived vacuum would have.

Err, you’re talking about the party that isn’t even bothering it’s hole negotiating an agreement to resume power-sharing and brought it down in the first place? SF are chaos.

Err, it was brought down due to DUP arrogance around the Irish language act and the wood pellet scandal of which they haven't budged an inch on either, SF are right on this one.
Don't even mention Mr Girvan and his Orange hall grants.

No equality, no Assembly is a reasonable stance IMO.


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